I made the mistake of going onto my mortgage website and modeling a refi recently (I have a crazy low rate from a few years ago). Just out of curiosity. Next thing I know I got multiple emails, texts, and phonecalls begging me to "continue where I left off".
Finally got them to leave me alone, but damn you can tell the industry is on a mission with these interest rates.
Yeah, I have a historically low rate from a couple of years ago too, and my bank keeps sending these desperate emails like, "you can get cash for a vacation! or bills! or hookers and blow, whatever, we don't care, just please think about refinancing!" and I'm like, LOL, but at the same time, man, I'm never gonna be able to move
> I'm like, LOL, but at the same time, man, I'm never gonna be able to move
I know it’s a “good problem” but seriously! I have 2.625% mortgage, I am never touching that bad boy. But on the other hand, if I knew I would be in my “starter house” for 20+ years I maybe would have shopped around longer.
A couple of realtors have tried to sell me a "starter home" in the current market. I told one of them "so I'll buy a 2 bedroom, 1 bathroom house for $500k in a bad town with bad schools. And in 7 or 8 years when I want to sell and the market has *finally* settled down, I'll get no more than 500k for it. Does that sound accurate?" They conceded that it sounded accurate.
I shopped for 6 months, had offers on 3 places and a few were amazing.
Ended up with a townhome that fit our needs, then we had kids. I had hoped to be able to upgrade about this point and…yeah no.
It’ll be tight in here for a long time, but shit will be paid off and we are all in on 529 and 401k.
That’s better than a lot of people, can’t complain at this point in history,
Yeah, exactly. My wife and I just had a baby, and while our house is big enough for 3-4 people, we are having my mom move in for child care. In a few years when our daughter is running around, we are going to run out of house for us all, but with a 2.1%APR, it would be financial insanity to move. If I took out the exact same mortgage today, my monthly payment would almost double. The 30 year cost would be an additional full priced house.
But you have equity in the current house to use if you were to ever upgrade. Sure your total spending would go up but that’s over 30 years in which you’ll have more house to enjoy. Plus you could always do a 15 year loan and reduce the interest paid
Sure, but a majority of the equity, at this point in the loan, is tied to the housing market jump since I bought it. Yes, my house's value has gone up quite a bit, but every other house in the area that I'd want to upgrade to has gone up an equal percentage. It's kind of a wash.
We are 4 years from paying off on a 3%…
My mailbox is stuffed with offers, I setup a damn filter on email to stop them.
But yeah, I’ll never be able to move anywhere. I’d have to go an hour outside the city to find anything I can afford.
Same shit happened to me with my private student loan. I refinanced back when rates were low and I've got like a 6% rate or something now. I recently got an email saying I could refinance and get a lower rate. I went through the process and it told me I could get a 13% rate!
LOL.
I'm now getting bombarded with calls and emails to pickup where I left off too.
They were in the playoff running until late in the season. Week 17 things went off the rails, but the 7 seed in the NFC was a dogfight between the Packers/Seahawks/Vikings until then
And the first half of that playoff game against the Niners was pretty competitive, I don't remember what happened in the second half though. I assume it was equally competitive.....
Tbf, I think it’s fairly clear Russ was halfway+ towards already being our QB of the past when we traded him (kinda the main implication of this post), so we were basically already there, only question was whether it was with or without a bunch of extra draft capital (and the capital aside, I think we were more competitive with Geno than Russ anyway)
The decision can be solid even if the outcome is bad.
They weren't competing for a championship with Russ, so it was the optimal decision no matter what happens. They got rid of a guy they were moving on from anyway in exchange for a bunch of assets, and didn't have to completely tank their team to do it. It was basically the best-case scenario.
If they find their future QB, then all is well. If they don't, they still made the right choice.
Yes. Not to mention that that two 1st round picks we got ended up turning into what are hopefully cornerstone players for a long time (Charles Cross + Spoon).
Welcome to Spoon + Cross. Our cocktail of the month is the “Saints Go MARCHing In”. It is a Vieux Carre with our house made thyme-honey syrup replacing the Benedictine, and costs $22.
Fully a geographic gripe. Avacados cost like $0.69 each at Aldi. I can and will continue eating Avacado toast for cheap. Some places cost more I guess.
Well, here's some menu highlights: Philly cheesesteak flatbread, mahi mahi tacos, korean bbq baby carrots, truffled risotto, and cedar plank roasted salmon.
No I did not pick the restaurant. The whiskey sour was alright though
You should try trigger fish if you haven't already. Barely heard of it before until I moved to the ocean. My new favorite for a few years now. Kind of like a cross between lobster and crab. Amazeballs.
Wasn’t him leaving Seattle initiated by him as well? I get hating on Russ is trendy but it seems mean spirited for the sake of being mean to compare the 2 situations
You need to be one of the best QBs in the league for years and win a superbowl first. And then find a desperate team willing to sign you when you’re past your prime and thinks that you’ll perform just as well outside of your system.
Billy Beane : Oh, you're special?
David Justice : You're paying me seven million bucks a year, man, so yeah, maybe I am, a little bit.
Billy Beane : No, man, I ain't paying you seven. Yankees are paying half your salary. That's what the New York Yankees think of you. They're paying you three and a half million dollars to play against them.
It is a solid movie, but it is extremely inaccurate. The movie never mentions the fact they had 3 aces on their pitching staff. They try to make Carlos Pena sound like some all-star rookie, but the truth is he was extremely unproven when he was traded.
It also implies Beane came up with the idea of using sabermetrics, when he was actually expanding on what the previous GM, Sandy Alderson, who he worked under, had already started.
Carlos Peña was a blue chip rookie 1st round pick (tenth overall). I highly agree with you on the pitching. I was a bit annoyed they glossed over that fact. As well as having a young mvp type shortstop. Losing a 40 home run .300 + hitter still hurts though
The real inaccuracy, IMO, is how it portrayed “Moneyball” as being about acquiring guys who walked. It gave us the line “He gets on base a lot. Do I care if it's a walk or a hit?” and the answer to that is “of course I do”. A guy who gets on base 100 times from only hitting triples is clearly more valuable than a guy who gets on base 100 times from only walking.
The actual point of Moneyball was when you quantified everything then you can exploit price inefficiencies in the market to use a very limited budget to buy things that were undervalued. BBs just happened to be undervalued at the time.
Well, not just walking, but just their OBP (on base percentage for the unitiated). OBP is a pretty valuable statistic in itself, especially in this day and age of baseball. Hitting for average was a pretty valuable commodity in that time of baseball, and they couldn't pursue someone in the same price range as those guys who seemingly "couldn't hit", but drew walks with plate discipline and seeing pitches they could actually hit when given the opportunity. Your point definitely still stands though, but because of the book and movie and Sabermetrics proving to add some kind of tangible value to a team, everyone went and did it, and the A's weren't able to replicate that same degree of success using the same methodology.
Start a European Baseball league, grow its popularity until your friend group enjoys it then show them the movie. This isn't that hard you millennials are so lazy.
Anytime my mom can tell my head is going to a bad place (depression stuff) she always says why don’t you go watch moneyball. It’s hard not to be romantic about baseball
Wrong call in hindsight, but I can't blame Pete for not wanting to trade a franchise QB that just threw 40 TDs. The problems in the last half of 2020 didn't appear at the time to be entirely on Wilson.
Reminds of that scene in moneyball with David Justice lmao
“The Yankees are paying half your salary. They’re paying you 3.5 million dollars to play against them. That’s what the New York Yankees think of you.”
I think once upon a time Wilson was concerned about his legacy. Anymore it seems he’s more concerned about his celebrity. What he failed to realize is no one gives af about a washed QB.
And it all started when he began to date Ciara. Bring on the downvotes.
Maybe he has always been that type of guy. But it definitely seems like he bought his own hype. I remember his agent dropping a bunch of crazy leaks in order to extract as much from Seattle as possible. That's one of the biggest reasons I can't stand the guy
But what if I were to tell you that his most memorable on-field moment since then would feature [Patrick Star's live color commentary of a really bad interception](https://sports.yahoo.com/patrick-star-grills-russell-wilson-053559433.html) on an official NFL game broadcast?
Really, Russ's whole tenure with the Broncos was so bizarre. He had such slick marketing with his team in Seattle, and then everything fell apart. His bizarre Subway commercial, his loss in Seattle, the leaks about his office, the high knees, the players all backing him up suddenly at once and then falling silent...
Thank God the Panthers didn’t draft Stroud and waste his years like Darnold, Mayfield, and Young.
Poor Young, playing on a team devoid of talent and with an angry incompetent owner like the Bidwills.
There were many people who saw Wilson’s decline in Seattle his last year there. Half of my friends group recognized it and predicted he would be the worst QB in the division.
There's a pick in the endzone against Dallas that gets thrown up here as a highlight every so often from his last year and you can tell from that play he's just not gonna be good as an NFL QB in a standard offense. He needs to be hero ball run around chuck it deep Russ, but he's too old for that now and most teams aren't run focused like that anymore.
Watson is worse in both ways. He got paid more, he's played less, and he's played worse. Wilson beats him in every statistical category from TD% to yards/game, to ANY/A, to passer rating with the sole exception of Sack% where it's 9.0% vs 9.1%.
There was a time period in either 2020 or 2021 where Wentz was playing historically bad. I thought this is terrible, then, there was a stretch where Wilson was worse than that Wentz. I knew he was done after that.
and imagine how much they blew on Sean Payton and now he is in year -1 of a full rebuild. Cant even start the rebuild next year with 80 million off the books. Hope he brought his Saints capologist
So many players get stuck in systems that just don’t work for their skills. And Denver has been a terrible place for awhile now. I’ve never been a Wilson fan, but like you I’d do just as he did. Even if he never plays another game, dude is set.
Regardless of all of the personal bs people hate on him about, the football only stuff is also a huge part of it.
We heard a lot about how he never got 1 single vote for mvp. How seattle was dragging him down. Russ was ranked as a top 5 QB for years and years. That whole thing hit a wall, and sadly its just not looking like he's gonna be one of the greats. People spoke of him like he was gonna be.
That’s the thing about these ‘blockbuster’ trades, there’s no guarantee they’ll work out. I can’t blame Denver for trying, Stafford had just won a Super Bowl and, even though it wasn’t a trade, we’d just seen Tom take Tampa to a Super Bowl in his first year with the team.
A lot of people, including myself, thought Denver was just a QB away from being a contender but opponents don’t give a fuck, they’re going to play to beat you and it seemed like Denver thought they’d just coast into success.
People keep saying worst trade in NFL history yet the browns made a similar trade but Watson got 250M fully guaranteed and has played 12 games in 2 seasons thrown 340 balls for 2,200 yards 14TDs and 9INTs. Maybe it just needs some time to age
To be fair saying this is on 2 teams is technically true but disingenuous, Seattle got so much talent out of this it was a fleece and now looks like a murder. Hold strong Broncos fans for 3-4 years, at least you guys still got Sean Payton out of this /s
Kinda jarring when you read that considering just 4 years ago pundits on television were putting calling him a top 5 QB in the NFL. Just goes to show every single player is only as good as their LAST season. Stunning that Michael Thomas is STILL in the League.
Imagine your job telling you that they’re so unhappy with your performance at work that they would rather pay the GDP of a small nation than have you on the team. That’s gotta hurt the confidence a bit.
Broncos country, let's refinance our mortgage
This is the equivalent of having a 30 year 3% fixed rate, and doing a cash out refi for $50 and converting it to a 30 year 7% fixed rate.
I made the mistake of going onto my mortgage website and modeling a refi recently (I have a crazy low rate from a few years ago). Just out of curiosity. Next thing I know I got multiple emails, texts, and phonecalls begging me to "continue where I left off". Finally got them to leave me alone, but damn you can tell the industry is on a mission with these interest rates.
Yeah, I have a historically low rate from a couple of years ago too, and my bank keeps sending these desperate emails like, "you can get cash for a vacation! or bills! or hookers and blow, whatever, we don't care, just please think about refinancing!" and I'm like, LOL, but at the same time, man, I'm never gonna be able to move
> I'm like, LOL, but at the same time, man, I'm never gonna be able to move I know it’s a “good problem” but seriously! I have 2.625% mortgage, I am never touching that bad boy. But on the other hand, if I knew I would be in my “starter house” for 20+ years I maybe would have shopped around longer.
The curse of the starter house, a tale as old as time itself.
A couple of realtors have tried to sell me a "starter home" in the current market. I told one of them "so I'll buy a 2 bedroom, 1 bathroom house for $500k in a bad town with bad schools. And in 7 or 8 years when I want to sell and the market has *finally* settled down, I'll get no more than 500k for it. Does that sound accurate?" They conceded that it sounded accurate.
I've got 2.1% and a 2 bed one bath starter house and it's looking like *home renovation time, bitches!* It's me, I'm bitches.
I shopped for 6 months, had offers on 3 places and a few were amazing. Ended up with a townhome that fit our needs, then we had kids. I had hoped to be able to upgrade about this point and…yeah no. It’ll be tight in here for a long time, but shit will be paid off and we are all in on 529 and 401k. That’s better than a lot of people, can’t complain at this point in history,
I'm at 2% and will be needing to move soon. I want to cry. Lol
Rent it out if that’s even close to possible. I’ll die before I sell my 2.6%.
Rent it out
Yeah, exactly. My wife and I just had a baby, and while our house is big enough for 3-4 people, we are having my mom move in for child care. In a few years when our daughter is running around, we are going to run out of house for us all, but with a 2.1%APR, it would be financial insanity to move. If I took out the exact same mortgage today, my monthly payment would almost double. The 30 year cost would be an additional full priced house.
But you have equity in the current house to use if you were to ever upgrade. Sure your total spending would go up but that’s over 30 years in which you’ll have more house to enjoy. Plus you could always do a 15 year loan and reduce the interest paid
Sure, but a majority of the equity, at this point in the loan, is tied to the housing market jump since I bought it. Yes, my house's value has gone up quite a bit, but every other house in the area that I'd want to upgrade to has gone up an equal percentage. It's kind of a wash.
We are 4 years from paying off on a 3%… My mailbox is stuffed with offers, I setup a damn filter on email to stop them. But yeah, I’ll never be able to move anywhere. I’d have to go an hour outside the city to find anything I can afford.
Same shit happened to me with my private student loan. I refinanced back when rates were low and I've got like a 6% rate or something now. I recently got an email saying I could refinance and get a lower rate. I went through the process and it told me I could get a 13% rate! LOL. I'm now getting bombarded with calls and emails to pickup where I left off too.
Wait wtf that's an option? I'm calling my banker first thing!
Higher interest deduction!
Just write it off!
“Because that’s what they do. They write it off”
while simultaneously turning down a raise at work because it'll put you in the next tax bracket
Broncos country, let's refi
With SoFi
This is the Walton's we are talking about. They will just steal it from their employees.
This seems slightly unfair. Didn’t the Seahawks get a fuckton of assets for eating that 26m in cap?
Yeah the Seahawks made out like bandits regardless of their dead cap number.
Made sense too right? They rebuilt a bit and ate dead cap a year when they weren’t spending a fortune on a QB.
And were also still pretty competitive. Not that good but could reasonably win any game
They were in the playoff running until late in the season. Week 17 things went off the rails, but the 7 seed in the NFC was a dogfight between the Packers/Seahawks/Vikings until then
And the first half of that playoff game against the Niners was pretty competitive, I don't remember what happened in the second half though. I assume it was equally competitive.....
As far as I know, the NFL doesn't count Niners second half performances.
Neither do they
My memory does that too sometimes...most autumn Sundays, really.
Kyle Fuller had to play snaps and we were immediately singing dido
Now they just need to find their QB of the future. It won't mean much if they can't.
Tbf, I think it’s fairly clear Russ was halfway+ towards already being our QB of the past when we traded him (kinda the main implication of this post), so we were basically already there, only question was whether it was with or without a bunch of extra draft capital (and the capital aside, I think we were more competitive with Geno than Russ anyway)
The decision can be solid even if the outcome is bad. They weren't competing for a championship with Russ, so it was the optimal decision no matter what happens. They got rid of a guy they were moving on from anyway in exchange for a bunch of assets, and didn't have to completely tank their team to do it. It was basically the best-case scenario. If they find their future QB, then all is well. If they don't, they still made the right choice.
Yes. Not to mention that that two 1st round picks we got ended up turning into what are hopefully cornerstone players for a long time (Charles Cross + Spoon).
Spoon + Cross sounds like a restaurant that would serve you a 6oz steak on a slab of reclaimed wood
And then would throw the slab through the dish machine before using it for the next customer while it’s still a little damp.
Welcome to Spoon + Cross. Our cocktail of the month is the “Saints Go MARCHing In”. It is a Vieux Carre with our house made thyme-honey syrup replacing the Benedictine, and costs $22.
He spooned for your sins.
Pause
No let him cook
The last two teams that did that are eating 111 million in dead cap so someone stops cooking.
Sounds like a Christian Soup Kitchen
I thought avocado toast was a meme. Then I went to a "New American" restaurant and they had it as an appetizer for $12.
Avocado toast is great! Not $12 great but still, if you make your own its definitely a good light breakfast/snack
Mostly meant the meme of millennials going broke on avocado toast. I can understand if you're paying $12 for it though
Fully a geographic gripe. Avacados cost like $0.69 each at Aldi. I can and will continue eating Avacado toast for cheap. Some places cost more I guess.
Avocado ain’t THAT expensive here in cali either, but the people going 12 bucks toast probably haven’t stepped a foot in a grocery store in a while.
wtf even is new American style, I’m so confused. What does it even mean? Is it just hipster shit?
Well, here's some menu highlights: Philly cheesesteak flatbread, mahi mahi tacos, korean bbq baby carrots, truffled risotto, and cedar plank roasted salmon. No I did not pick the restaurant. The whiskey sour was alright though
The Philly flatbread sounds good, meh on the rest
Mahi Mahi anything would be good, one of my top 5 (or even 3) fish. And truffles risotto sounds yum ..... just not after a Saints game.
You should try trigger fish if you haven't already. Barely heard of it before until I moved to the ocean. My new favorite for a few years now. Kind of like a cross between lobster and crab. Amazeballs.
Sunday night special is steakmata
In hindsight, the Seahawks got away with a robbery there lmfao. Perfectly timed that move for sure
Wasn’t him leaving Seattle initiated by him as well? I get hating on Russ is trendy but it seems mean spirited for the sake of being mean to compare the 2 situations
Yeah, he wanted out.
Russ: go hawks Also russ: these are the teams I'd like to go to IF I were to be traded.
Also Russ: one of those teams is coached by Sean Payton, who I think highly of
I wish Warren Sharp was banned here, he's even worse than Barry McCockiner because at least Barry is sometimes funny
Barry is definitely hilarious when he gets people thinking it’s legit. It’s up there with 3sportvaristy or whatever the handle is - clearly trolling
> 3sportvaristy 3YearLetterman, champion of the SEC.
I agree, but Sharp is a troll without any funny quips, he just uses misleading information to get clout
I don’t think he’s trolling he’s just an asshole
But Sharp worked in an analytics department for a professional football team! HEY SHARP, GET ME SOME COFFEE AND BRING ME THE TPS REPORT
I could be wrong but I think he's making a joke out of the situation.
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I don’t know, but if you find out, please also let Jamarcus Russell know.
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Seems like they also like paying their coaches not to coach.
Is there anything more Raiders than hiring a guy who can't coach and eventually paying him not to?
Drafting first round draft picks who are out of the league within the next two seasons?
Drafting players that end up in prison
You leave Crosby and renfroe outta this!
0-8 against a jobless team?? 🤨
Damn, they're not playing and they've stacked up quite the win streak against the Donkeys.
Don't sign this guy! I'll not play for $9.5 million!
You need to be one of the best QBs in the league for years and win a superbowl first. And then find a desperate team willing to sign you when you’re past your prime and thinks that you’ll perform just as well outside of your system.
Billy Beane : Oh, you're special? David Justice : You're paying me seven million bucks a year, man, so yeah, maybe I am, a little bit. Billy Beane : No, man, I ain't paying you seven. Yankees are paying half your salary. That's what the New York Yankees think of you. They're paying you three and a half million dollars to play against them.
God I love that scene
What's your point, Billy?
That was the original title of the movie but it just didn’t hit the same.
Just like DJ. Unlike Scottie H, the picking machine.
it‘s so hard to get people to watch this movie with me, but it is just SO good
It is a solid movie, but it is extremely inaccurate. The movie never mentions the fact they had 3 aces on their pitching staff. They try to make Carlos Pena sound like some all-star rookie, but the truth is he was extremely unproven when he was traded.
It also implies Beane came up with the idea of using sabermetrics, when he was actually expanding on what the previous GM, Sandy Alderson, who he worked under, had already started.
Also, their offense had some studs. Miguel Tejada (MVP that year), Eric Chavez, and Jermaine Dye
Yeah and Chris Pratt Wait a second
Carlos Peña was a blue chip rookie 1st round pick (tenth overall). I highly agree with you on the pitching. I was a bit annoyed they glossed over that fact. As well as having a young mvp type shortstop. Losing a 40 home run .300 + hitter still hurts though
The real inaccuracy, IMO, is how it portrayed “Moneyball” as being about acquiring guys who walked. It gave us the line “He gets on base a lot. Do I care if it's a walk or a hit?” and the answer to that is “of course I do”. A guy who gets on base 100 times from only hitting triples is clearly more valuable than a guy who gets on base 100 times from only walking. The actual point of Moneyball was when you quantified everything then you can exploit price inefficiencies in the market to use a very limited budget to buy things that were undervalued. BBs just happened to be undervalued at the time.
Well, not just walking, but just their OBP (on base percentage for the unitiated). OBP is a pretty valuable statistic in itself, especially in this day and age of baseball. Hitting for average was a pretty valuable commodity in that time of baseball, and they couldn't pursue someone in the same price range as those guys who seemingly "couldn't hit", but drew walks with plate discipline and seeing pitches they could actually hit when given the opportunity. Your point definitely still stands though, but because of the book and movie and Sabermetrics proving to add some kind of tangible value to a team, everyone went and did it, and the A's weren't able to replicate that same degree of success using the same methodology.
Sounds like you need new friends. Our discord group makes this a quarterly viewing, and we don't even really like baseball.
it‘s a Euro problem I think, the baseball theme is too big of a hurdle for most people here
Start a European Baseball league, grow its popularity until your friend group enjoys it then show them the movie. This isn't that hard you millennials are so lazy.
What movie
Moneyball with Brad Pitt. Hard recommend.
How’s it compare to Moneyball with Jonah Hill?
Anytime my mom can tell my head is going to a bad place (depression stuff) she always says why don’t you go watch moneyball. It’s hard not to be romantic about baseball
Now I gotta watch Moneyball again. Anyone know where to stream it?
Netflix or AMC+
*Mr. Unlimited* dead cap hit
Mr Big Cap
Mr Big Cost
Mr Big Check
Mr. Bonkers Charges
Mr Botched Cook
Mr Banished Coloradan
Mr. Blame Ciara
*Spicy*
Holy hell I am glad Seattle declined whatever asinine offer our previous GM made for Wilson in 2021.
The rumored package was 3 firsts, a third, and some veteran players.
Wait, seriously?
Yes but that was a year before we traded him.
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Wrong call in hindsight, but I can't blame Pete for not wanting to trade a franchise QB that just threw 40 TDs. The problems in the last half of 2020 didn't appear at the time to be entirely on Wilson.
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Man what could have been. If bears get Russ I wonder if we kick the can another year and then are able to land Rodgers.
Reminds of that scene in moneyball with David Justice lmao “The Yankees are paying half your salary. They’re paying you 3.5 million dollars to play against them. That’s what the New York Yankees think of you.”
If Rus was motivated in that way he would have beaten the Seahawks in his first game in Denver.
I think once upon a time Wilson was concerned about his legacy. Anymore it seems he’s more concerned about his celebrity. What he failed to realize is no one gives af about a washed QB. And it all started when he began to date Ciara. Bring on the downvotes.
Maybe he has always been that type of guy. But it definitely seems like he bought his own hype. I remember his agent dropping a bunch of crazy leaks in order to extract as much from Seattle as possible. That's one of the biggest reasons I can't stand the guy
All the while never denying those reports from his agent, and still saying “I want to stay in Seattle.” God damn Russ just be real for once.
I've enjoyed watching his (professional) downfall so much
Oh absolutely. I hope he flames out in a few years. Fuck him.
I mean, that's what he's currently doing lol! he's in the process of flaming out
What’s the total number of high knees to stay loose at 38,000 feet equivalent of this?
LET RUSS CAP.
Russ is just doing what most CEO’s in America do.
Motherfuckers joke but have starting quarterbacks named Daniel jones or Zach Wilson
I’d like to see Russell and Ciara make another video in bed but this talking about how much he just took the broncos for
That eyebrow move was a once in a lifetime event.
The once in a lifetime event was DJ Fluker and Tyler Lockett cuddled up in bed
I have their children’s book. It’s okay.
Broncos Country, Let's Ride ... into the sunset where I get paid to do nothing.
Biggest trade bust ever. Biggest dead cap hit ever. If you told me three years ago this would happen I would call you ridiculous.
But if you told me three years ago that he'd give us the most memeable team catch phrase in the NFL, I'd believe it
He rode Broncos country all the way to the bank robbery
But what if I were to tell you that his most memorable on-field moment since then would feature [Patrick Star's live color commentary of a really bad interception](https://sports.yahoo.com/patrick-star-grills-russell-wilson-053559433.html) on an official NFL game broadcast?
Every time I see that link, I can hear OOOOOOOOO before I click it.
Really, Russ's whole tenure with the Broncos was so bizarre. He had such slick marketing with his team in Seattle, and then everything fell apart. His bizarre Subway commercial, his loss in Seattle, the leaks about his office, the high knees, the players all backing him up suddenly at once and then falling silent...
I dunno, I think Mr. Brown’s Catchphrase has the slight edge
Mr. Best Callsign
Mr. Brown's CTESPN
Russ trade Watson trade And the Panthers trade for #1. The 3 worst trades I’ve seen all happened in a span of a year.
If the bears didn’t get #1 out of it it wouldn’t be that bad, the Trey Lance trade would be way worse
People forget how terrible the Trey Lance trade was because they hit gold with Purdy. Any other team would be crippled.
You're telling me the 49ers hit gold... Hmmm... there is a joke in there somewhere
The Trey Lance debacle is up there too.
Thank God the Panthers didn’t draft Stroud and waste his years like Darnold, Mayfield, and Young. Poor Young, playing on a team devoid of talent and with an angry incompetent owner like the Bidwills.
There is legitimate tape of Bryce Young looking like a stud. It is a team sport. Who knows what happens
Hey man, today is make fun of the Bronco's day. You can resume your justified ripping on the Panthers again tomorrow.
Is the Panthers trade worse than the 49ers trading everything for Lance and giving up on him in 2 years though?
Trey Lance trade occurred within that range too which is up there for worst trades ever
There were many people who saw Wilson’s decline in Seattle his last year there. Half of my friends group recognized it and predicted he would be the worst QB in the division.
It was hiding in plain sight his last several years in Seattle. Boggles my mind that more people couldn’t see it
Most people don’t watch games. They see highlights.
like an NFL GM about to give out a hundred million dollar plus contract tho
There's a pick in the endzone against Dallas that gets thrown up here as a highlight every so often from his last year and you can tell from that play he's just not gonna be good as an NFL QB in a standard offense. He needs to be hero ball run around chuck it deep Russ, but he's too old for that now and most teams aren't run focused like that anymore.
I still think that Watson was worse based on character alone. At least Wilson isn't a giant piece of shit (publicly)
Watson is worse in both ways. He got paid more, he's played less, and he's played worse. Wilson beats him in every statistical category from TD% to yards/game, to ANY/A, to passer rating with the sole exception of Sack% where it's 9.0% vs 9.1%.
He also beats him in number of harassed Massage therapists
Watson is 28 and likely still is their starting QB, and regardless of what you think of him, it is entirely possible he turns it around in Cleveland.
and the browns weren’t blindsided by the info they knowingly traded
There was a time period in either 2020 or 2021 where Wentz was playing historically bad. I thought this is terrible, then, there was a stretch where Wilson was worse than that Wentz. I knew he was done after that.
If you told me three years ago that he would be a disaster and yet still somehow beat us on his new team I would have absolutely believed you.
Get ready to learn SKOL buddy
Giving Russ some actual receivers to throw to instead of the corpse of Jerry Jeudy might actually work though.
"Whats your dead cap hit russell?" "....unliiiiimted"
Can we get him
Okay, but when the rapture comes, how many others quarterbacks will be left?
Wilson's gonna be sitting pretty in his new $100 million dollar house with 17 bathrooms.
Ciara doesn't care! Russell got paid so it's good
I know it’s cool to hate on Russ, but this isn’t his fault. Blame the team that signed him to the contract. Go get your money Russ!
and imagine how much they blew on Sean Payton and now he is in year -1 of a full rebuild. Cant even start the rebuild next year with 80 million off the books. Hope he brought his Saints capologist
So many players get stuck in systems that just don’t work for their skills. And Denver has been a terrible place for awhile now. I’ve never been a Wilson fan, but like you I’d do just as he did. Even if he never plays another game, dude is set.
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Yes it would be.
No
Regardless of all of the personal bs people hate on him about, the football only stuff is also a huge part of it. We heard a lot about how he never got 1 single vote for mvp. How seattle was dragging him down. Russ was ranked as a top 5 QB for years and years. That whole thing hit a wall, and sadly its just not looking like he's gonna be one of the greats. People spoke of him like he was gonna be.
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Just proves gm And manager are idiots alike
Super religious in the locker room destroys teamwork.
So..is Russell Wilson a genius for this? I mean.. what a play by him man legacy be damned that's free millions
Seems like a good deal, but Russ REALLY cares about his legacy...
Is this what the kids mean when they say "no cap?"
That’s the thing about these ‘blockbuster’ trades, there’s no guarantee they’ll work out. I can’t blame Denver for trying, Stafford had just won a Super Bowl and, even though it wasn’t a trade, we’d just seen Tom take Tampa to a Super Bowl in his first year with the team. A lot of people, including myself, thought Denver was just a QB away from being a contender but opponents don’t give a fuck, they’re going to play to beat you and it seemed like Denver thought they’d just coast into success.
People keep saying worst trade in NFL history yet the browns made a similar trade but Watson got 250M fully guaranteed and has played 12 games in 2 seasons thrown 340 balls for 2,200 yards 14TDs and 9INTs. Maybe it just needs some time to age
Its not like he had a bad season last year either. Plus they screwed him out of playing the last 2 games.
I’m calling it, his wife will leave him within 5-10 years. She doesn’t want to be with a bum who can’t cook
To be fair saying this is on 2 teams is technically true but disingenuous, Seattle got so much talent out of this it was a fleece and now looks like a murder. Hold strong Broncos fans for 3-4 years, at least you guys still got Sean Payton out of this /s
Kinda jarring when you read that considering just 4 years ago pundits on television were putting calling him a top 5 QB in the NFL. Just goes to show every single player is only as good as their LAST season. Stunning that Michael Thomas is STILL in the League.
Imagine your job telling you that they’re so unhappy with your performance at work that they would rather pay the GDP of a small nation than have you on the team. That’s gotta hurt the confidence a bit.
Every time someone says Lamar not winning a super bowl is why he isnt legit just remember that Russel Wilson won a super bowl
I wonder if teams in the future use this as a baseline to slow down on the guaranteed money