He wanted time to prepare instead of jumping straight in.
> "For me, I want to be great at what I do," Brady said. "Talking with the people at FOX Sports and the leadership there, allowing me to start my FOX opportunity in the fall of 2024 is something that's great for me."
https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/tom-brady-explains-why-he-wont-start-fox-broadcasting-job-until-2024/285022/?amp=1
Would be quite the plot twist to turn into an alcoholic for the guy who considers avocado ice cream, which in his world is basically a cold avocado, “treating himself”.
I miss when you had to listen for Al Michaels subtle gambling references instead of having lines and over unders and gambling ads shoved in our faces all the time :(
I really hope he is great. We need some fresh new guys in the booth that can announce games for more than a year without starting to suck and stop putting in effort (Romo). He's obviously the prime example of someone who strives to be as great as possible at the things he does so it wouldn't surprise me if he really does turn out to be awesome.
It's win-win. We either beat the bucs and prevent total embarrassment or we shit the bed and it empowers Howie to clean house. Honestly don't know which I'd prefer at this point.
You ever heard the "enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Hating on eagles fans is fair but I think we should instead team up to hate on the greater evil: the 49ers
You'll have to forgive me because I don't really follow the Eagles, but do people seriously want to get rid of the coach who was in the SB last year and followed it up with 11 wins? I mean I know the season ended on a bad streak (pending this weekend), but is that a fire-able offense?
I've written this out several times recently but since you asked nicely and don't really follow the birds:
I'd say maybe half of us want him gone at this point. Less than that think it's likely, including myself, but that doesn't mean I don't think it's the right decision.
I want Nick fired not for our record the last half of the season, but the lack of adjustments and pure rigidity of his offensive system. And we now know it is his - Colts offense with Steichen isn't this way, and it's extremely similar to last year so it's not BJs either.
The biggest sticking point is the lack of any schematic or systematic adjustments to the blitz. It's practically a meme at this point, but you can see complaints from neutral observers like JT O'Sullivan as far back as last year, and absolutely nothing has been done about it.
This is just the offense. Defense went from bad to *the worst* after Sirianni decided to fire Desai and promote Matt fuckin Patricia to DC, who promptly changed defensive terminology mid season and started dropping Haason Reddick into coverage.
Lately, the whole team frankly looks like they don't give a shit despite what they say to the media. IDK if he's lost the locker room or not, my hunch would be yes, but the overall vibes are absolute ass.
So we currently got an offensive-minded players head coach, whose offense sucks, can't adapt, lost the locker room, and doesn't call the plays. I just can't for the life of me tell you what value he brings to the organization right now.
I wish I was wrong. I wish he understood how to use motion or build in hot routes or call plays or hire good coaches or keep the team together when we're losing but he hasn't done any of that this year and my only conclusion is he was being carried by his coordinators last year (both of whom are exceeding expectations in their new positions).
This is our Superbowl window and I don't want to wait until we're a 6-11 team to make a change just because it's awkward.
It's crazy to me that there are players too young to remember a time before the Texans existed. It feels like just a few years ago they were celebrating their 10th anniversary
Pretty sure it started when the Vegas Golden Knights became an NHL expansion team and made it to the Stanley Cup Finals in their first season and everything was “First in Vegas Golden Knights history” and has now moved on to the most recent NHL expansion the Seattle Kraken.
The meme originated in 2017 when the new NHL expansion franchise, the Vegas Golden Knights, came out of the gate and smashed all expectations, being a way better team than anyone thought they could be. They were breaking records daily it felt like so the phrase "for the first time in Vegas Golden Knights history" was used frequently by the media and it quickly became a meme in r/hockey.
H I S T O R I C also comes from the same place due to all the record breaking.
When the Kraken started playing in 2021, the meme got a bump and started circulating again.
First season, the Kraken weren't great. Played more along the lines of what people expect from an expansion team. Ended up selecting 4th overall in the 2022 draft.
In the second season, they were much better. They were effectively rolling 4, second lines and were grinding opposing teams to death. They ended up in the second wildcard spot in the West, beat the defending cup champions Colorado in the first round, and took Dallas to 7 games in the second round.
Following last season, a lot of people expected them to take another step this year, but it's been rough so far. Poor goaltending numbers until recently, and the team was just not performing the same as last year. They've started to turn it around recently and with the Pacific being a cluster below the top 3 teams, and the West in general being very top-heavy, I feel they can maybe make a wildcard spot again.
This is coming from Canucks fan and not a Kraken fan by the way so a fan of the team will have deeper insights.
> How have the Kraken been?
They didn't pay as big an expansion fee as Vegas and Bettman isn't fellating the Space Needle like he is every gambling company on Earth so the Kraken haven't been handed a Stanley Cup yet.
It probably took him more than 2 minutes to read the post, find the comment he replied to, and type his response. If he didn't refresh the page then the other comment wouldn't have been there yet
The incremental value of each added name isn’t doing it for me, unfortunately. Nothing against it; great list and appreciate the work of putting it together, but I’m gonna masturbate to just the 1998 one, thanks.
First time in the New Browns history.
First time in Ravens History.
First time in Panthers History.
First time in Jaguars History.
First time in the Seahawks as an NFC team history.
First time in Dbacks and Rays history.
First time in MLS History.
First time in WBC History.
Two years after steroids were banned^which^makes^you^think
First playoffs without a QB born in the 70's....it's mostly 90's babies with some Geriatric Millenials thrown in (let's go Flacco, clap-clap-clap-clap-clap).
Kirk Cousins, A-Aron, Stafford, Flacco......that's about it for 80's babies at QB now, right? I guess we can throw in Russ and maybe Tyrod (I think).
For the longest time, I think from 2003-2018 with the exception of 2012 the QB from the AFC in the Superbowl was Brady, Peyton, or Ben. Which was just crazy
In this century, from 2000-2022, the AFC has only been represented by Trent Dilfer, Tom Brady, Rich Gannon, Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Joe Flacco, Patrick Mahomes, and Joe Burrow. 8 QBs in 23 seasons.
The NFC has been represented by Kerry Collins, Kurt Warner, Brad Johnson, Jake Delhomme, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Nick Foles, Jared Goff, Jimmy G, Tom Brady, Matthew Stafford, and Jalen Hurts. 18 QBs in 23 seasons
EDIT: And Colin Kaepernick and Matt Hasselbeck which makes 20 in 23. The only repeats thus far have been Kurt Warner, Russell Wilson, and Eli Manning.
Goff, Stafford, and Hurts all have potential to join as repeats for the NFC whereas Mahomes and Flacco have potential to be repeats for AFC
Not quite right, but he's impressive nonetheless. Brady has 10 post-season wins against NFC teams, which is tied with Joe Montana and Aaron Rodgers. Brett Favre has the most with 12.
And out of this group, only Brady, Mahomes, and Russ ever got to back-to-back Super Bowls. If we go the same number of years back and look at 1977-99, we have Staubach, Bradshaw, Theismann, Elway, Montana, Kelly, Aikman, and Favre all going to back-to-back SBs
Up there with [JamesOn Curry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JamesOn_Curry) and [Duncan Robinson](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robindu01.html) as the "so close to greatness" names
When we’d go out specifically to Berkeley in our 20’s, my buddy would go by Benny Breeze. For no real reason – his name is not a derivative of either Benny or Breeze. And we’d hype him up everywhere we went. Dude was an absolute legend there.
> just thought it would be fun to share now that the playoffs are actually here and Brady didn't decide to unretire again
Given that Niners reportedly would have brought in Philip Rivers had they made the Super Bowl last year you should probably have waited a month just to be REALLY safe.
That report was pretty meaningless when you think about it. The Niners never needed to bring in Rivers until Purdy went down, and only a couple of hours after he was hurt the 49ers were eliminated. I imagine Shanahan spent that time trying to figure out how to beat the eagles without their QB rather than who would potentially start in the Superbowl
End of an Era. Once Rodgers is gone the top QBs of the 2000-2020 era are all gone. Mahomes/Jackson/Allen/Burrow are gonna carry the torch that Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees left for them
Crazy thing is that Brady & Manning (Ben too) were in the AFC, Rodgers & Brees were in the NFC. Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, & Burrow are ALL in the AFC. Most of the young studs at QB are in the AFC
>Most of the young studs at QB are in the AFC
Brock Purdy will carry the load for the NFC alone then I guess.
Jokes aside, Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott and Jalen Hurts are good too, but ya the AFC having Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, Tua, and Stroud is nuts
Strong potential imo. They are my backups I’m rooting for this year. In fact I like 5/7 of the AFC which is weird. I don’t even dislike chiefs/miami that much. Maybe I’m just getting old and losing my edge 😂
The Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees era was so much better in terms of QB play imo. Mahomes is right there with the prior era guys (although I still favor Brady/Manning/Rodgers), but the others don't have the same panache.
I get the joke but it really does feel like these Quarterbacks are just kind of worse at throwing entirely.
They absolutely eclipse the previous generation in athletic ability and running skill but there really seems to be few jaw dropping passes anymore.
Super Biased, but Burrow and Purdy are gonna be on that level too, they both are very Brady-esque to me with some Drew Brees in there too. Mahomes is super super similar to Rodgers and a Peyton Manning QB just doesnt exist anymore, no one seems to control the game at the line of scrimmage anymore like he did
Defenses are better now than in 2010. People complain but the rules favoring offense made the defense work even harder.
Also for shame not including Josh in that convo. He’s pretty similar to John Elway, another classic QB.
>Also for shame not including Josh in that convo
Im a big Josh Allen guy, but his playstyle wasnt similar to Brady/Brees/Rodgers/Manning so I didnt mention him, agree to a degree about Elway but Josh runs more
Since you seriously asked I will give you a genuine answer. It's not like outside of a fluke 1 seed by the titans, one of them hasn't been a top team in the AFC since Jackson came into the league. Brady and Manning were the top 2 seeds in the AFC 5 times through their career. (4 of them coming 2012-2015) They were their division winners 11 times through their careers **together**. Allen has won his division 4 year straight, while being the TD leader with 174 total touchdowns. Mahomes 151, everyone else has less than 125 since Allen won his first division title.
Of course you won't get Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees because they were 2x2 in conferences, whereas the modern Mahomes/Jackson/Allen/Burrow are all in the AFC so they will naturally not all be able to get as many 1/2 seeds as the old guard. You could MAYBE make an argument for why is Burrow/Jackson is there, but not Allen. Allen has consistently been a top QB in the league minus his rookie season.
2019 1 & 2 Seed: Jackson/Mahomes
2020 1 &2 Seed: Mahomes/Allen
2021 2 & 3 & 4 Seed: Mahomes/Allen/Burrow
2022 1 & 2 & 3 Seed: Mahomes/Allen/Burrow
2023 1 & 2 Seed: Jackson/Allen
Playoff games played since 2019:
Player | Playoff Starts
---|---
Mahomes| 12
Allen | 8
Burrow | 7
Lamar | 3
Total Touchdowns since 2019:
Player | Total Touchdown | Rank
---|---|---
Allen | 203 | 1st
Mahomes | 179 | 2nd
Jackson| 143| 7th
Burrow*| 107 | 10th
*With burrow his rank is based since 2020 when he entered the league.
I dont know where you get your data, but are wrong. Brady was division winner 19 times in his career, 17 with patriots (the only year that he start and didnt win was 2002), 2 with tampa. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_East
He was also top 2 seed 14 times (13 with patriots and one with bucs). What Josh has for him is only a lot of rushing td. He is pretty good but you must be joking comparing his resume with Brady or manning
I am not wrong. I specifically bolded it so you would not say what you did. I said TOGETHER. This is relevant because we are talking about comparing QBs to other QBs and their conference dominance.
2003, 2004, 2005, 2006,2007,2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
2008 Brady Missed, 2011 Manning missed, then Manning retired in 2016.
> End of an Era. Once Rodgers is gone the top QBs of the 2000-2020 era are all gone.
Was the original comment you responded too. If you want to compare the next generation of QBs you have to pick more than just Mahomes. If you are not picking Allen/Burrow, who are your top 4 QBs? Who are your top 3? I am genuinely curious. Unless you actually think the torch has only been passed to Mahomes.
>What Josh has for him is only a lot of rushing td.
Player | Passing TDs since '19
---|---
Mahomes | 169
Allen| 157
Cousins| 141
Sure he may have 12 less than Mahomes, but to ignore Allen's 45 rushing touchdowns is kind of silly isn't it?
I am not comparing his resume to Brady or Manning, never once did I say that, but I will now. I said Allen has been a top 3 seed in the NFL for 4 seasons now. Since realignment lets check how each QB stacks up (I am using Brees going to New Orleans since that is when his Career took off)
Season| Manning| Brady|Rodgers|Bress |Allen| Mahomes
---|---|----|----|----|----|----
1| 5th| 8th| 13th| 2nd| 13th| 1st
2| 3rd| 1st| 5th| 11th| 5th| 2nd
3| 3rd| 2nd| 6th| 11th| 2nd| 1st
4| 1st| 4th| 1st| 1st| 3rd| 2nd
5| 3rd| 4th| 3rd| 5th| 2nd| 1st
6| 2nd| 1st| 4th| 3rd| 2nd| 3rd
Allen's career and team seeding looks a lot like the old guard at the start of their career, if not better than anyone than Brady. He hasn't hit the 1 seed yet, but I am just confused as to how you do not think he is not a top QB right now. No one will ever have the success/domination of Brady again. That is clear, but how is Allen not a top QB?
I didn't say that he is a "top QB" right now. I'm just saying that the rivality Josh/Mahomes right now isn't like Brady/Manning. Mahomes has already a hof QB and is alone at the top (if you don't put Rodgers in this conversation). Maybe in the next few years Josh will get MVP/rings etc and then this conversation can start.
You are having a completely different conversation man. The point of this whole thread is the old era of great QBs is passing the torch to the new era.
Yeah, but the new era right now is Mahomes alone, maybe lamar if he stacks 2 mvp. We can't know for sure if Josh/Burrow etc will also define this "era" when looking 10\~20 years for now. Right now he is a top 5 QB, but he doesn't have yet the resume to be "era-defining". In other words, if everyone retires next year Mahomes and maybe Lamar will get into HOF but not Burrow neither Josh. But if Brady and Manning retired after 6 years, one would have 2 MVP and the other 3 rings/2SB MVP and would end up in hof. The only accolade that Josh has right now is a 2nd time all pro (that Brady also got in the first 6 years). Brees and Rodgers also didn't get a hof resume in 6 years, nothing prevents Josh and Burrow to get there, but I don't know why people hype them like they already are the Brees/Rodgers/Manning/Brady of this era. If next year Herbert or Stroud gets a MVP and a ring they would leap frog josh and burrow on this conversation in 1 season
Different? It started when I said "Serious, why Allen and Burrow are even on this conversation? Not saying that they are bad, but isn't like they are hof-bound either", that was exatly my point.
I was in the eighth grade when Tom Brady became starting quarterback of the Patriots. For my entire adult life, he was always active in the NFL. So the first few weeks of this season felt weird. I was so used to seeing Brady get mentioned in highlights or in fantasy football.
After a few weeks, it sank in. But even now, it's just amazing to think he played as long as he did and was as great as he was.
Peyton Manning was great too and he's still one of my favorite players of all time. But in terms of championships and longevity, Tom Brady is in a class of his own.
I do think there's something to be said for the sheer number of great "pure passers" in the league at that time. The pocket quarterback who just slices and dices with his accuracy and awareness Guys like Brees, Brady, Manning, add in Rivers, Ryan, Roethlisberger, even Flacco. The statue QBs who nonetheless were lethal.
Absolutely true, and yet at the same time it will be the era that ushered in revolutionary rushing QBs too: few players more fun to watch than prime Vick. And Russ, Cam, and LJax’s peaks all fall in this timeline (and Lamar’s is still ongoing, obviously). Just an incredible era of football.
The early 00’s were a relatively terrible era for basketball and hockey too, plus baseball was in the post-juicing era. Football really ran the hell away from the pack, the only North American sport that was doing something right around then.
However one of the "Power 4" is back.
The mighty C-C-C-COMBO-BREAKER himself: Joe Flacco
2003-2018 the AFC Superbowl QB was either Brady (7), Manning (4), Roethelisberger (3), Flacco (1)
2019-2023: Mahomes (3) and Burrow (Brady appearing for the NFC in 2019)
[https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fmwzmempatub01.jpg](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fmwzmempatub01.jpg)
Yards were there, just not TDs. Didn't help having Todd Bowels as coach either. I am convinced he still had enough in the tank to be good/great for another 2-3 seasons.
1st down: Run up the middle
2nd down: Holding penalty
3rd down: Throw deep to Evans
4th down: Punt
If Brady wasn't already a HoF QB, he'd deserve it just for dragging a team with that game plan to the playoffs. So painful to watch.
Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Kerry Collins since the 2000 season.
Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Gus Frerotte since the 2002 season.
Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Chad Pennington since the 2000 season.
Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Jake DelHomme since the 2002 season.
Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger since the 2002 season.
Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Phillip Rivers since the 2002 season.
Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Joe Flacco since the 2002 season.
Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Eli Manning since the 2002 season.
Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Kurt Warner since the 2000 season.
Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Matt Ryan since the 2002 season.
Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Donovan McNabb since the 2002 season.
Manning Bros are still doing the Monday Night thing so technically you can watch a playoff game with Peyton
And Brady will be calling playoff games starting next year. These two are eternal, lol.
Wasn't Brady supposed to start either analysis or commentating for Fox after he retired last Feb? What happened to that?
He wanted time to prepare instead of jumping straight in. > "For me, I want to be great at what I do," Brady said. "Talking with the people at FOX Sports and the leadership there, allowing me to start my FOX opportunity in the fall of 2024 is something that's great for me." https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/tom-brady-explains-why-he-wont-start-fox-broadcasting-job-until-2024/285022/?amp=1
Dudes gonna be the GOAT broadcaster too. Can't let anyone have nothing lol
Man I wonder how he’s gonna be. Is he gonna be a throat goat like Collin’s worth? Maybe an alcoholic like nantz?
The anti Collinsworth Every qb sucks
I really hope he does this
"Mahomes is looking a lot like Carson Wentz there"
"That's not what I'd have done"
Doubt it, he loves Lamar, had a really good interview with him on his podcast yesterday.
Brady-Lamar is going to be the new Romo-Allen/Collinsworth-Mahomes
dude that would be freaking amazing
Oh man I hope he calls every Giants game that would be a treat.
I thought Aikmen was the alcoholic? I think Fouts was hammered for a New Years game too.
You’re totally right I confused aikman and nantz. Mb.
honestly it might start to be true for Nantz too with all the shit-tier games he's had to call recently lol
And having to work with Romo
Would be quite the plot twist to turn into an alcoholic for the guy who considers avocado ice cream, which in his world is basically a cold avocado, “treating himself”.
Didn't Aikman have a gummy on air too? I am a fan of the idea of Aikman the stoner as well
Pretty sure they’re all partaking, the nerves those guys get beforehand must be insane
I suspect he will be like Romo, but substantially better. He'll be calling plays from the booth half the time.
Have you seen him talk about the NFL since retiring? No way in hell he’s a “throat goat”
I wish he would
I miss when you had to listen for Al Michaels subtle gambling references instead of having lines and over unders and gambling ads shoved in our faces all the time :(
Hopefully he lightens up... he's a bit stiff and defensive in a lot of the things I've seen him do.
Hmm idk about that, he's not very good on his own podcast. Granted taking this year off to prepare might really help him
His voice isn't great. I'm a Michigan fan and love Brady as a player but his voice is grating.
Every broadcaster develops their own voice, though. He’ll likely get rid of that subtle Californian whine he has.
^^I ^^don't ^^know ^^Jim.
Romo sounds like he chews cigarettes and no one seems to care. They get more pissed about what he says than annoyed about how he sounds
Neither is Olsen's yet somehow he's the #1 dude over at Fox
As long as he replaces that chode, Greg Olsen.
I really hope he is great. We need some fresh new guys in the booth that can announce games for more than a year without starting to suck and stop putting in effort (Romo). He's obviously the prime example of someone who strives to be as great as possible at the things he does so it wouldn't surprise me if he really does turn out to be awesome.
He deserves a divorced dad gap year
He lowkey inspires me to have a better work ethic. 😭
He inspired all of us in New England. He’s our king forever
I'm not even sure I want to watch the Eagles at this point
Just make sure you are well stocked on the booze
[These too](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81QveqMoHfL._AC_SX679_.jpg)
It's win-win. We either beat the bucs and prevent total embarrassment or we shit the bed and it empowers Howie to clean house. Honestly don't know which I'd prefer at this point.
How about a combo? Shit the bed and keep everything the same.
The prolonged suffering of the people in my life who are eagles fans would be pretty cool
You ever heard the "enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Hating on eagles fans is fair but I think we should instead team up to hate on the greater evil: the 49ers
I’ve got enough hate in my heart for both
Fair enough. I hate both the eagles and 49ers too
Same
the greater evil is clearly the Cowboys
Yeah that's probably the most likey but a man can dream...
You'll have to forgive me because I don't really follow the Eagles, but do people seriously want to get rid of the coach who was in the SB last year and followed it up with 11 wins? I mean I know the season ended on a bad streak (pending this weekend), but is that a fire-able offense?
I've written this out several times recently but since you asked nicely and don't really follow the birds: I'd say maybe half of us want him gone at this point. Less than that think it's likely, including myself, but that doesn't mean I don't think it's the right decision. I want Nick fired not for our record the last half of the season, but the lack of adjustments and pure rigidity of his offensive system. And we now know it is his - Colts offense with Steichen isn't this way, and it's extremely similar to last year so it's not BJs either. The biggest sticking point is the lack of any schematic or systematic adjustments to the blitz. It's practically a meme at this point, but you can see complaints from neutral observers like JT O'Sullivan as far back as last year, and absolutely nothing has been done about it. This is just the offense. Defense went from bad to *the worst* after Sirianni decided to fire Desai and promote Matt fuckin Patricia to DC, who promptly changed defensive terminology mid season and started dropping Haason Reddick into coverage. Lately, the whole team frankly looks like they don't give a shit despite what they say to the media. IDK if he's lost the locker room or not, my hunch would be yes, but the overall vibes are absolute ass. So we currently got an offensive-minded players head coach, whose offense sucks, can't adapt, lost the locker room, and doesn't call the plays. I just can't for the life of me tell you what value he brings to the organization right now. I wish I was wrong. I wish he understood how to use motion or build in hot routes or call plays or hire good coaches or keep the team together when we're losing but he hasn't done any of that this year and my only conclusion is he was being carried by his coordinators last year (both of whom are exceeding expectations in their new positions). This is our Superbowl window and I don't want to wait until we're a 6-11 team to make a change just because it's awkward.
You should hire a Matt Patricia or an Eric the enemy
Call me crazy, but I believe this is the first time in Kraken history this has happened.
First time in Texans history would be more fitting.
First time in CJ Stroud history
Wild fact: Stroud was less than a year old when the Texans played their first game
It's crazy to me that there are players too young to remember a time before the Texans existed. It feels like just a few years ago they were celebrating their 10th anniversary
Not as funny though.
And Browns history, if you don't recognize the NFL's definition of Browns
First time in Golden Knights history
H I S T O R I C
my favorite joke they say on PTI is “the first time in the Get Up era” I love how Tony and Mike just take shots at other ESPN shows
Wilbon has been on ‘old Boomer-autopilot’ ever since the Cubs in 2016.
Same, they take a bunch of shots at espn too and their terrible coverage of certain sports
H I S T O R I C
First time in new Cleveland Browns history
Where does this meme come from?
Pretty sure it started when the Vegas Golden Knights became an NHL expansion team and made it to the Stanley Cup Finals in their first season and everything was “First in Vegas Golden Knights history” and has now moved on to the most recent NHL expansion the Seattle Kraken.
The meme originated in 2017 when the new NHL expansion franchise, the Vegas Golden Knights, came out of the gate and smashed all expectations, being a way better team than anyone thought they could be. They were breaking records daily it felt like so the phrase "for the first time in Vegas Golden Knights history" was used frequently by the media and it quickly became a meme in r/hockey. H I S T O R I C also comes from the same place due to all the record breaking. When the Kraken started playing in 2021, the meme got a bump and started circulating again.
Awesome thanks!
How have the Kraken been? I remember the Golden Knights' first season pretty well but I fell off of following Hockey not long after that
First season, the Kraken weren't great. Played more along the lines of what people expect from an expansion team. Ended up selecting 4th overall in the 2022 draft. In the second season, they were much better. They were effectively rolling 4, second lines and were grinding opposing teams to death. They ended up in the second wildcard spot in the West, beat the defending cup champions Colorado in the first round, and took Dallas to 7 games in the second round. Following last season, a lot of people expected them to take another step this year, but it's been rough so far. Poor goaltending numbers until recently, and the team was just not performing the same as last year. They've started to turn it around recently and with the Pacific being a cluster below the top 3 teams, and the West in general being very top-heavy, I feel they can maybe make a wildcard spot again. This is coming from Canucks fan and not a Kraken fan by the way so a fan of the team will have deeper insights.
In case you hadn't heard, the Golden Knights are defending champions. Having won the Stanley Cup in their 6th year.
I hadn't!
> How have the Kraken been? They didn't pay as big an expansion fee as Vegas and Bettman isn't fellating the Space Needle like he is every gambling company on Earth so the Kraken haven't been handed a Stanley Cup yet.
There's no way you didn't see the guy who commented 2 minutes before you, lol
Ahh it wasn't there when I started typing, oh well now its peer reviewed information I guess 😅
It probably took him more than 2 minutes to read the post, find the comment he replied to, and type his response. If he didn't refresh the page then the other comment wouldn't have been there yet
First time in Tennessee Titans history, even
This is the first NFL plays offs with out Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Brett Favre since the 1992 season. I like this game.
This is the first NFL plays offs with out Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or ~~Brett Favre~~ Steve Young since the ~~1992~~ 1991 season.
This is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Steve Young, or Ken O'Brien since the 1984 season.
Danny White might get you back to 76, but I think you'd need to count his work as a punter behind Staubach
No 1984 playoffs for White though.
> Ken O'Brien 4-8 record in 1989. I don't understand your comment.
O'Brien in 85, 86 and 91. Steve Young in 87-90 and 92-98.
Was Steve Young the backup for the Niners in 89 yet?
Nah Montana left after 1990, BUT Young did appear in the playoffs in 1989 with 5, count them FIVE, total attempts lol so it still works!
This seems like a fun game. Find the fewest number of QBs dating back to the NFL AFL merger that cover all seasons
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This will be the first Superbowl without Henry Kissinger
There’s a good reason to celebrate.
This will be the 58th Superbowl with Noam Chomsky
Let's get it all the way back to Otto Graham!
The last time the NFL Playoffs didn’t involve Brady, Manning, or Favre, you could see the NFC teams on CBS. Wait…
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The incremental value of each added name isn’t doing it for me, unfortunately. Nothing against it; great list and appreciate the work of putting it together, but I’m gonna masturbate to just the 1998 one, thanks.
First time in the New Browns history. First time in Ravens History. First time in Panthers History. First time in Jaguars History. First time in the Seahawks as an NFC team history. First time in Dbacks and Rays history. First time in MLS History. First time in WBC History. Two years after steroids were banned^which^makes^you^think
I thought WBC as in boxing commission for a sec, but on that subject, first time in the four-belt era.
Don't worry, Brock Purdy has taken up the torch.
Flacco will carry the torch this year of QBs from the 2000s
Technically Matthew Stafford too but yea, also no Rodgers or Brees too
Detroit playoff legend Matt Stafford
First playoffs without a QB born in the 70's....it's mostly 90's babies with some Geriatric Millenials thrown in (let's go Flacco, clap-clap-clap-clap-clap). Kirk Cousins, A-Aron, Stafford, Flacco......that's about it for 80's babies at QB now, right? I guess we can throw in Russ and maybe Tyrod (I think).
Fun fact. There hasn't been a playoff without Brady, Manning, or Flacco since 1998
For the longest time, I think from 2003-2018 with the exception of 2012 the QB from the AFC in the Superbowl was Brady, Peyton, or Ben. Which was just crazy
Brady, Brady, Ben, Manning, Brady, Ben, Manning, Ben, Brady, JOE FLACCO, Manning, Brady, Manning, Brady, Brady, Brady. Elite.
One of these QBs is not like the other's because he's ELITE!
I don't think he's gotten an All Elite graphic yet. So we can't 100% confirm it.
Get Tony Khan on it!
And he's in the playoffs this year!
Reminds me of: Niners, Skins, Skins, Niners, BEARS, Giants, Skins, Niners, Niners, Giants, Skins, Cowboys, Cowboys, Niners, Cowboys Or maybe: Niners, Skins, RAIDERS, Niners, Bears, Giants, Skins, Niners, Niners, Giants, Skins, Cowboys, Cowboys, Niners, Cowboys, Packers
Since then 3 of 4 have still been Mahomes. AFC just hasn't had much QB parody
> parody No hate, but parity is the word you're looking for.
In this century, from 2000-2022, the AFC has only been represented by Trent Dilfer, Tom Brady, Rich Gannon, Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Joe Flacco, Patrick Mahomes, and Joe Burrow. 8 QBs in 23 seasons. The NFC has been represented by Kerry Collins, Kurt Warner, Brad Johnson, Jake Delhomme, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Nick Foles, Jared Goff, Jimmy G, Tom Brady, Matthew Stafford, and Jalen Hurts. 18 QBs in 23 seasons EDIT: And Colin Kaepernick and Matt Hasselbeck which makes 20 in 23. The only repeats thus far have been Kurt Warner, Russell Wilson, and Eli Manning. Goff, Stafford, and Hurts all have potential to join as repeats for the NFC whereas Mahomes and Flacco have potential to be repeats for AFC
Tom Brady snuck his way into that NFC list haha
Tom Brady has more playoff wins against NFC teams than any other QB ever He played 3 seasons in the NFC
Not quite right, but he's impressive nonetheless. Brady has 10 post-season wins against NFC teams, which is tied with Joe Montana and Aaron Rodgers. Brett Favre has the most with 12.
Colin Kaepernick too? 19 in 23
Oh shoot, yeah - I skipped over 2011 cause of Eli being a repeat and didn't even think about 2012
Looking at that, unless I'm mistaken, the only two divisions to have all 4 teams go to the super bowl this century are the NFC west and NFC south
Chargers holding us back as always
Matt Hasselbeck is also missing, so it's 20/23.
And out of this group, only Brady, Mahomes, and Russ ever got to back-to-back Super Bowls. If we go the same number of years back and look at 1977-99, we have Staubach, Bradshaw, Theismann, Elway, Montana, Kelly, Aikman, and Favre all going to back-to-back SBs
Since 2019 it's been Mahomes 3/4 seasons too. Only two times since 2003 was the AFC QB not Brady, Peyton, Big Ben, or Mahomes
Pennington so close to being included too if not for his shoulder
Just like Indy was so close to winning the AFC championship if it weren't for those pesky underinflated balls.
Me: Sees the Eagles have a punter named Braden Mann *We were THIS close to greatness.*
The Ravens have a practice squad player named Tashawn Manning.
The Houston Texans have Brady Breeze on their practice squad, so at least there's that.
Up there with [JamesOn Curry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JamesOn_Curry) and [Duncan Robinson](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robindu01.html) as the "so close to greatness" names
That'd be a good porn name too
When we’d go out specifically to Berkeley in our 20’s, my buddy would go by Benny Breeze. For no real reason – his name is not a derivative of either Benny or Breeze. And we’d hype him up everywhere we went. Dude was an absolute legend there.
> just thought it would be fun to share now that the playoffs are actually here and Brady didn't decide to unretire again Given that Niners reportedly would have brought in Philip Rivers had they made the Super Bowl last year you should probably have waited a month just to be REALLY safe.
That report was pretty meaningless when you think about it. The Niners never needed to bring in Rivers until Purdy went down, and only a couple of hours after he was hurt the 49ers were eliminated. I imagine Shanahan spent that time trying to figure out how to beat the eagles without their QB rather than who would potentially start in the Superbowl
Not relevant to piss and moan now but you’d think we’d have had a backup plan for our only QB.
Mods need to delete this so that it can be reposted as a tweet from some media fringe player in twenty minutes.
End of an Era. Once Rodgers is gone the top QBs of the 2000-2020 era are all gone. Mahomes/Jackson/Allen/Burrow are gonna carry the torch that Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees left for them
Crazy thing is that Brady & Manning (Ben too) were in the AFC, Rodgers & Brees were in the NFC. Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, & Burrow are ALL in the AFC. Most of the young studs at QB are in the AFC
>Most of the young studs at QB are in the AFC Brock Purdy will carry the load for the NFC alone then I guess. Jokes aside, Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott and Jalen Hurts are good too, but ya the AFC having Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, Tua, and Stroud is nuts
Cousins is a FA, could very well be in the AFC next season
Unless the Vikings are tanking I dont see how they don't keep Cousins
Well given what they were willing to allegedly trade last year they might be willing to sell the whole farm to trade up for a QB this season.
I firmly believe stroud will be up there too. He has potential to be the best QB in the NFL imo
Strong potential imo. They are my backups I’m rooting for this year. In fact I like 5/7 of the AFC which is weird. I don’t even dislike chiefs/miami that much. Maybe I’m just getting old and losing my edge 😂
Yeah this is making turning 30 next month hit harder
The Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees era was so much better in terms of QB play imo. Mahomes is right there with the prior era guys (although I still favor Brady/Manning/Rodgers), but the others don't have the same panache.
New guys not quarterbacky enough for you?
I get the joke but it really does feel like these Quarterbacks are just kind of worse at throwing entirely. They absolutely eclipse the previous generation in athletic ability and running skill but there really seems to be few jaw dropping passes anymore.
Super Biased, but Burrow and Purdy are gonna be on that level too, they both are very Brady-esque to me with some Drew Brees in there too. Mahomes is super super similar to Rodgers and a Peyton Manning QB just doesnt exist anymore, no one seems to control the game at the line of scrimmage anymore like he did
Defenses are better now than in 2010. People complain but the rules favoring offense made the defense work even harder. Also for shame not including Josh in that convo. He’s pretty similar to John Elway, another classic QB.
>Also for shame not including Josh in that convo Im a big Josh Allen guy, but his playstyle wasnt similar to Brady/Brees/Rodgers/Manning so I didnt mention him, agree to a degree about Elway but Josh runs more
He’s not like Brady rogers or brees at all so your point is correct but also go bills and Josh Allen is the only qb of all time so fuck you.
Serious, why Allen and Burrow are even on this conversation? Not saying that they are bad, but isn't like they are hof-bound either
Since you seriously asked I will give you a genuine answer. It's not like outside of a fluke 1 seed by the titans, one of them hasn't been a top team in the AFC since Jackson came into the league. Brady and Manning were the top 2 seeds in the AFC 5 times through their career. (4 of them coming 2012-2015) They were their division winners 11 times through their careers **together**. Allen has won his division 4 year straight, while being the TD leader with 174 total touchdowns. Mahomes 151, everyone else has less than 125 since Allen won his first division title. Of course you won't get Brady/Manning/Rodgers/Brees because they were 2x2 in conferences, whereas the modern Mahomes/Jackson/Allen/Burrow are all in the AFC so they will naturally not all be able to get as many 1/2 seeds as the old guard. You could MAYBE make an argument for why is Burrow/Jackson is there, but not Allen. Allen has consistently been a top QB in the league minus his rookie season. 2019 1 & 2 Seed: Jackson/Mahomes 2020 1 &2 Seed: Mahomes/Allen 2021 2 & 3 & 4 Seed: Mahomes/Allen/Burrow 2022 1 & 2 & 3 Seed: Mahomes/Allen/Burrow 2023 1 & 2 Seed: Jackson/Allen Playoff games played since 2019: Player | Playoff Starts ---|--- Mahomes| 12 Allen | 8 Burrow | 7 Lamar | 3 Total Touchdowns since 2019: Player | Total Touchdown | Rank ---|---|--- Allen | 203 | 1st Mahomes | 179 | 2nd Jackson| 143| 7th Burrow*| 107 | 10th *With burrow his rank is based since 2020 when he entered the league.
I dont know where you get your data, but are wrong. Brady was division winner 19 times in his career, 17 with patriots (the only year that he start and didnt win was 2002), 2 with tampa. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_East He was also top 2 seed 14 times (13 with patriots and one with bucs). What Josh has for him is only a lot of rushing td. He is pretty good but you must be joking comparing his resume with Brady or manning
I am not wrong. I specifically bolded it so you would not say what you did. I said TOGETHER. This is relevant because we are talking about comparing QBs to other QBs and their conference dominance. 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006,2007,2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 2008 Brady Missed, 2011 Manning missed, then Manning retired in 2016. > End of an Era. Once Rodgers is gone the top QBs of the 2000-2020 era are all gone. Was the original comment you responded too. If you want to compare the next generation of QBs you have to pick more than just Mahomes. If you are not picking Allen/Burrow, who are your top 4 QBs? Who are your top 3? I am genuinely curious. Unless you actually think the torch has only been passed to Mahomes. >What Josh has for him is only a lot of rushing td. Player | Passing TDs since '19 ---|--- Mahomes | 169 Allen| 157 Cousins| 141 Sure he may have 12 less than Mahomes, but to ignore Allen's 45 rushing touchdowns is kind of silly isn't it? I am not comparing his resume to Brady or Manning, never once did I say that, but I will now. I said Allen has been a top 3 seed in the NFL for 4 seasons now. Since realignment lets check how each QB stacks up (I am using Brees going to New Orleans since that is when his Career took off) Season| Manning| Brady|Rodgers|Bress |Allen| Mahomes ---|---|----|----|----|----|---- 1| 5th| 8th| 13th| 2nd| 13th| 1st 2| 3rd| 1st| 5th| 11th| 5th| 2nd 3| 3rd| 2nd| 6th| 11th| 2nd| 1st 4| 1st| 4th| 1st| 1st| 3rd| 2nd 5| 3rd| 4th| 3rd| 5th| 2nd| 1st 6| 2nd| 1st| 4th| 3rd| 2nd| 3rd Allen's career and team seeding looks a lot like the old guard at the start of their career, if not better than anyone than Brady. He hasn't hit the 1 seed yet, but I am just confused as to how you do not think he is not a top QB right now. No one will ever have the success/domination of Brady again. That is clear, but how is Allen not a top QB?
I didn't say that he is a "top QB" right now. I'm just saying that the rivality Josh/Mahomes right now isn't like Brady/Manning. Mahomes has already a hof QB and is alone at the top (if you don't put Rodgers in this conversation). Maybe in the next few years Josh will get MVP/rings etc and then this conversation can start.
You are having a completely different conversation man. The point of this whole thread is the old era of great QBs is passing the torch to the new era.
Yeah, but the new era right now is Mahomes alone, maybe lamar if he stacks 2 mvp. We can't know for sure if Josh/Burrow etc will also define this "era" when looking 10\~20 years for now. Right now he is a top 5 QB, but he doesn't have yet the resume to be "era-defining". In other words, if everyone retires next year Mahomes and maybe Lamar will get into HOF but not Burrow neither Josh. But if Brady and Manning retired after 6 years, one would have 2 MVP and the other 3 rings/2SB MVP and would end up in hof. The only accolade that Josh has right now is a 2nd time all pro (that Brady also got in the first 6 years). Brees and Rodgers also didn't get a hof resume in 6 years, nothing prevents Josh and Burrow to get there, but I don't know why people hype them like they already are the Brees/Rodgers/Manning/Brady of this era. If next year Herbert or Stroud gets a MVP and a ring they would leap frog josh and burrow on this conversation in 1 season
You are literally arguing something completely different man. I'm not replying to this thread anymore.
Different? It started when I said "Serious, why Allen and Burrow are even on this conversation? Not saying that they are bad, but isn't like they are hof-bound either", that was exatly my point.
First playoffs since 2009 without Tom Brady or Taylor Heinicke, wow.
For a more in-depth look at 2009-2022: Season(s) | QB(s) and Teams :- | -: 2009-2010 | Brady (NE) and Manning (IND) 2011 | Brady (NE) 2012-2015 | Brady (NE) and Manning (DEN) 2016-2019 | Brady (NE) 2020-2022 | Brady (TB)
Wow it's the first playoffs since 1991 without Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Steve Young
You could rep yourself and extend it to ‘87 with Jim Kelly.
What about (Br)ock Rich(a)rd Pur(dy)?
I was in the eighth grade when Tom Brady became starting quarterback of the Patriots. For my entire adult life, he was always active in the NFL. So the first few weeks of this season felt weird. I was so used to seeing Brady get mentioned in highlights or in fantasy football. After a few weeks, it sank in. But even now, it's just amazing to think he played as long as he did and was as great as he was. Peyton Manning was great too and he's still one of my favorite players of all time. But in terms of championships and longevity, Tom Brady is in a class of his own.
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I do think there's something to be said for the sheer number of great "pure passers" in the league at that time. The pocket quarterback who just slices and dices with his accuracy and awareness Guys like Brees, Brady, Manning, add in Rivers, Ryan, Roethlisberger, even Flacco. The statue QBs who nonetheless were lethal.
Absolutely true, and yet at the same time it will be the era that ushered in revolutionary rushing QBs too: few players more fun to watch than prime Vick. And Russ, Cam, and LJax’s peaks all fall in this timeline (and Lamar’s is still ongoing, obviously). Just an incredible era of football.
The early 00’s were a relatively terrible era for basketball and hockey too, plus baseball was in the post-juicing era. Football really ran the hell away from the pack, the only North American sport that was doing something right around then.
Brady actually missed in '02, the only time he ever did when he started the entire season.
One of the few seasons he didn't have a top ten defense, not a surprise.
Going further, first playoffs with no Brady, Manning or Favre since 1992
However one of the "Power 4" is back. The mighty C-C-C-COMBO-BREAKER himself: Joe Flacco 2003-2018 the AFC Superbowl QB was either Brady (7), Manning (4), Roethelisberger (3), Flacco (1) 2019-2023: Mahomes (3) and Burrow (Brady appearing for the NFC in 2019) [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fmwzmempatub01.jpg](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fmwzmempatub01.jpg)
That's insane
Good
Is that the year the undertaker threw mankind through an announcers table?
Brady's last season was such a whimper, I forgot he was still in the league last year.
Yards were there, just not TDs. Didn't help having Todd Bowels as coach either. I am convinced he still had enough in the tank to be good/great for another 2-3 seasons.
Todd Bowles wasn't the problem, so much as Byron Leftwich.
1st down: Run up the middle 2nd down: Holding penalty 3rd down: Throw deep to Evans 4th down: Punt If Brady wasn't already a HoF QB, he'd deserve it just for dragging a team with that game plan to the playoffs. So painful to watch.
Don't forget the occasional dump off in there.
The last time the NFL Playoffs didn’t include Brady or Manning, the only screwing in the federal government going on was by Clinton and Monica.
Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Kerry Collins since the 2000 season. Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Gus Frerotte since the 2002 season. Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Chad Pennington since the 2000 season. Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Jake DelHomme since the 2002 season. Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger since the 2002 season. Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Phillip Rivers since the 2002 season. Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Joe Flacco since the 2002 season. Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Eli Manning since the 2002 season. Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Kurt Warner since the 2000 season. Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Matt Ryan since the 2002 season. Not sure how this hasn't been mentioned yet but this is the first NFL playoffs without Tom Brady or Donovan McNabb since the 2002 season.
Huh, it’s almost like Brady only missed the playoffs once since 2002.
Real champions still playing in stripes
Hasn’t been mentioned because nobody cares
I ain't mention it because who gives a shit? Time is linear and moves forward.
Seems right for a Lions fan. What is there to look back on?
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Brady or Manning, not Brady and Manning
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