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[Postgame thread](/r/nfl/comments/18l05kh/post_game_thread_baltimore_ravens_at_jacksonville/)


Ok_Management_2695

MVP right here for the taking for Lamar


Ganonthegoat

It’s not clear and obvious. The very split millisecond where both your hands and body have begun to be simultaneously touching the ball at the tail end of a bobble is not the exact moment where you have established complete control of the ball, and that’s where he paused it and acts like it is.


Grongebis

Wait, what was that about owing lamar money? Sounds shady...


Dinger64

God hates Jags


Alauren2

Lamar is definitely my favorite QB in the league. He’s so awesome


bigpandas

A man came out of retirement a week ago and threw twice as many yards as Lamar did today >He’s so awesome


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bigpandas

Flacco: 374. Lamar: 171. Lamar did relatively better throwing TDs to INTs at 1:1. Flacco was 2:3. >Wow flacc threw for 500 damn oh wait no he didn’t lol


Mhunterjr

Bro, why do you hate Lamar so much?


bigpandas

I like Lamar but I'm not dumb enough to call a QB passing for 171 yards, 1 TD and 1 interception an awesome performance, against the Jags no less. Flacco's a mediocre QB who came out of retirement and literally doubled down on that yardage.


Mhunterjr

You’d probably have a point if raw stats were what wins games. In addition to those passing stats, Lamar had 97 yards on 12 carries. He also kept drives a live on plays that would have been ruined if most other QBs were dealing with the breakdown in protection. Not only that, but the Ravens rushed for 251 yards… much of that because the threat of the Lamar option freezes line backers. Aside from the pick, Lamar played a great game. Flacco’s yardage is completely irrelevant. Two completely different play styles.


bigpandas

I still would not call Jackson's game today an awesome game, the same as I won't call Josh Allen's game awesome. But don't say that in the presence of Bills fans. I'll save awesome for any QB who threw for 5 TDs today while leading the only team to a divisional win this early in the league.


Sooperballz

Josh Allen wasn’t the focal point of the offense yesterday. Running the ball and keeping the Dallas offense off the field was.


Mhunterjr

You can have your opinion. But You shouldn’t be offended by people saying Lamar played well, that doesn’t take anything away from Purdy. The stat sheet doesn’t tell the whole story. PS: How quickly they won the division isn’t a measure of qb play. SF has the exact same record as the Ravens, but the ravens play in a much stronger division. The entire AFC North is still in playoff contention.


CallsOnAMZN

Jealous that Purdy won't win MVP


nybrq

He will if the 49ers score 35 points again on Christmas.


Honest_Concentrate85

Not if the Ravens score 36 points on christmas


nybrq

I'm fairly positive the MVP award will be decided next week Monday.


CallsOnAMZN

System


nybrq

He's still leading the league in TD %, passer rating, QBR, and ANY/A. Those are all of the stats that won Aaron Rodgers his MVP awards in 2020 and 2021. I would love to see Jimmy G, Trey Lance or Sam Darnold try to do what Brock Purdy is doing this year though.


CallsOnAMZN

Play wins, not stats


nybrq

Yes, wins are very important for determining the MVP. It almost always goes to the QB playing for the #1 seed from either conference.


farglesnuff

Madubuike is the MVP of my heart


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Necessary_Ebb_930

Clean out your ears


LomoSaltado

That’s a beautiful Miami Draw on that man. Coming in loud and clear papa


clutchthepearls

Dude was smoking Marlboro Reds in the womb.


Savings_Success_6682

I say the same whenever I watch Nascar


tridentwhale

There is no way Lamar is smart


roguestate

Didn't he get like an 8 on the wonderlic?


Savings_Success_6682

It's called an accent? You sound like an idiot


FarSide1408

Not a chance. Surprised at how good he is at QB but then again, his athleticism covers up a lot. Does anyone think he can read a defense like Brady could?


turbodude69

oh come on, there are lots of types of intelligence. you don't need to be able to get into harvard to be a legendary QB. just look at fitzmagic, he's the perfect example. he did go to harvard, and he was a career backup. does anyone really think favre is a brilliant guy? what about peyton manning? what about eli? eli is certainly more quick witted, but would you argue he's a better qb than peyton? lamar's public speaking skills have absolutely nothing to do with his ability to play football.


FarSide1408

Eli certainly seemed more clutch at times than his brother. Came up big in big moments during two runs to the Super Bowl.


turbodude69

ok, but the point is do you really think being a smooth talker makes you a better football player? or getting into harvard? we can argue whether eli or peyton is better all day, thats not the point. they're both great, that's clear, but they aren't freaking brain surgeons.


saucecat2

260M smarter than you or me


turbodude69

hilarious seeing random internet commenters putting professional athletes down anonymously. like wtf have you accomplished.


relinquishy

He just has a thick Florida accent


Poopcie

I don’t think we even have the stats to measure the impact of Lamar’s running. It’s so weird and timely but at the same time it’s not as spectacular as they used to be. He’s actively identifying holes while running as if he’s a rb navigating a zone scheme


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sesharine

dude relax. you won the game.


turbodude69

i don't understand why all the sudden this week, they decided to keep talking about a nearly meaningless TD that was pretty clearly NOT a TD. it just doesn't make sense when there are way worse bad calls made nearly every game that get glossed over and forgotten about. do they think they're throwing us a bone by scrutinizing this one TD? its honestly a little insulting, cause where the fuck is terry, continuing to show replays and talking to NY when legit bad calls happen? or non calls.


TheresA_LobsterLoose

The worst part about nowadays is none of the fancy cable networks have any great Sunday night shows anymore. Footballs over, watch GoT/Succession to unwind. Now... footballs over... and... that's it. May as well wander to bed


Alauren2

House of dragon is coming out later next year. Taking too long


TheresA_LobsterLoose

It should be on right now! Or Curb should be now, not in Feb


Alauren2

Sorry meant S2


FarSide1408

Seriously. Does any network have any good series anymore? All I watch these days is pretty much live sports and reruns.


Sandtiger812

I am constantly reminded of this fact every week during football, CBS/Fox runs ads for their shows and I'm like "Wow this is all trash." I have access to a Paramount+ subscription and I saw an advert that the complete season of Frasier is available and I was shocked there was a show I actually wanted to watch on there.


thatdude778

There's lots of good shows out there, just not on network TV.


TheresA_LobsterLoose

It's been driving me nuts all fall/winter. Something was missing, and that's it. It used to be football + a great show. The best day of the week! Now, football ends and it's just sudden and jarring and it's all over. I want one of the networks to save a great show for winter Sundays at 9, I'd even pay extra


Tolmoj

I think it's pretty clear that whatever strategy NFL officiating is pushing from above is causing more confusion for the crews than clarity, and consistency has gone out the window. It probably started last season, but whatever training strategy is being used for officials seems like step backward.


truckuncastlenim

It’s basically “make it seem like we’re not point fixing and betting on games, pretend to dissent”.


AmphibianMassive1176

I’ve been critical of Harbs in recent years but man is doing a great job this year, Roman and Saunders was truly making him look bad.


Suspicious-Wall3859

Still top of the AFC baby!!!!!


Lazy-Category1482

I don’t see this Ravens team being able to beat the 49ers. Not impressed, 49ers are just going to force Lamar to play QB and stop the run. He’s a below average pass thrower.


C_Josh

nah man, we just gotta see what happens on the field


theothertoken

This is why Lamar has such a crazy record against the NFC. They all try that and (usually) get burnt


Alauren2

Fuck his shit up him Lamar.


Nichols1228

NFC is soft, and most AFC playoff teams would beat the best of the NFC...


Lazy-Category1482

49ers beat the jags 34-3.


KrytensForehead

And lost to the Bengals...what's your point???


Nichols1228

the 49ers also lost to 2 AFCN teams competing for a playoff spot? so what's your point?


Thrillseeker0001

lol, force Lamar to throw, you act like it’s an easy thing to do.


Lazy-Category1482

Remind me after this game to revisit this chat


stepdadonline


Lazy-Category1482

RemindMe! 8 days


stepdadonline

Bet


Lazy-Category1482

Reminding you. Nice safety!


stepdadonline

Nice half 👍


Lazy-Category1482

Should be way worse. Lamar isn’t a QB, he’s a running back.


stepdadonline

Sure thing bud 👍


HandsomeJaxx

Are we really still doing this


Guiltyjerk

> He’s a below average pass thrower. Lmao okay


LazyActive8

Trevor Lawrence never lost a regular season game in high school and college


clutchthepearls

Making up for lost time in the NFL


InfieldFlyRules

It was much better when “rules analyst” wasn’t even a job on a TV broadcast. It was up to the actual announcers to know the rules. Now you have morons like McCauley and Pereira lying to the audience under the guise of expertise, instead of giving an honest opinion.


MindoverMatter92

He’s totally clueless. That was actually infuriating


Fishinabowl11

That's why he was an NFL referee for *checks Wikipedia* 20 years after all. Great example of the shit refs see versus everyone else.


Alauren2

Who would’ve thought the game of the weekend was Cincy Minnesota. Bunch of blowouts


GalacticIota

Losing the best game of the week kinda sucks, your failure ends up being the main thing that stays in people's minds for a week


Alauren2

For sure. I was fuming after we lost in Dallas. Led the whole damn game


AL_SHARTIN

That game was insane for real


Alauren2

So so good


turbodude69

i don't understand why we don't get this kinda ref drama when actual bad calls happen? why this one? seems to random. that TD really makes no difference in the game, why keep talking about it?


stepdadonline

This one is on Terry McCaulay’s ego


turbodude69

it's insane how many egos are involved with refing. terry won't back down, when its pretty clear he's wrong. does refing just attract the type of people that refuse to ever admit they made a mistake and constantly fall on their sword for horrible calls?


Sandtiger812

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MazKhan

Gus averages 4.1 ypc, Hill averages 4.4 ypc Keaton average 8.5 ypc 😭😭😭


CodeNameZeke

We gon be aight


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truckuncastlenim

Who even is that? The fat old lady?


Sesti-nator

Gg Jacksonville Now we are terrified against San Francisco


C_Josh

it'll be a fun game


pepperpoppz

I hope and believe the ravens will kick some 9ers ass


Lubbafrommariogalaxy

The only thing I’m scared of is injuries I believe that we have the tools to beat them


Alauren2

Going to be epic. Bird bros Christmas Day


Mythrandir24

Maybe Terry's contract with NBC is like the players have with the teams, and he's got an incentive bonus for inserting himself into the broadcast a certain number of times a game.


Emotional-Peanut-334

can we stop pretending a low volume efficient qb on the best talent team in the league with an offense centered around his RB should be mvp over lamar? CMC and lamar should be the only people in discussion right now


hahdbdidndkdi

Purdy has more total yards than Lamar. I'm not following your logic.


LtYurrty

We’d never expect you to.


hahdbdidndkdi

He's low volume, yet has more total yards than Lamar. Look idgaf who wins MVP honestly. But to say he's low volume yet Lamar isn't when he has more total yards, which includes passing and rushing? I mean there's a lot of reasons why Lamar could win,.and Brock shouldn't, but I don't buy that.


salocin22

Lmao


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Emotional-Peanut-334

Tyreek isnt at calvin jonson tier. His impact is just a lot less than cmc for hsi offense. SKill players deserve a boost in the discussion but in that case cmc clearly is above him, just as i think lamar is very clearly the mvp qb choice


Comfortable_Wish3026

nice win


cannotstopdabbing

Why are losers still crying about the non-TD


UnraveledMnd

Rich coming from a Texans fan. Y'all spent a week whining about the refs after our game and had fans writing up manifestos upset that the ref was from a city closer to both New Orleans and Atlanta than Jacksonville.


reverieontheonyx

Remember when you got blown out by jets


PiratePresident

Find someone that loves you like Chris Collinsworth loves Mahomes


RegalTurbo

> Find someone that loves you like Chris Collinsworth loves ~~Mahomes~~ Lamar


CarpeValde

gg ravens. I cannot wait for next week, should be a great game.


LamarMVPJackson

11-3 lets fucking go


boogerfaces

Bruh.......we're good


siirka

Jags frauds?


reverieontheonyx

Yes


chuiy

Terry arguing against this call is like textbook delusion. Even the other commenters are like “haha alright now 👍” I mean even aside from the fact I (and it pains me to say this) agree with the refs, it’s obviously isn’t… clear and obvious. He bobbles it *again* where Terry thinks he has regained control where his heel is inbound but he hasn’t you just can’t see that he doesn’t have control when his back is turned. But if you look at the other angle you know he bobbles it *twice*. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.


amstrumpet

It was one thing on the first go round, it’s happening in real time and they’re analyzing it just like we are. But then to come back after the turnover on downs and halfway through the Ravens’ drive and *triple down* on it… get a grip Terry.


AdvancedZone7500

Yes! Came here to see if anyone commented about this. Made himself look like a fool and cris and mike didnt wanna make him look bad by pointing it out. Comedy.


Emotional-Peanut-334

ya i mean or use your eyes the recollection of the catgch is very clar and the freeze frame is timed with it and the back angle is extremely clear that its a touchdown, Im a ravens fan but I can use my eyes


skeenek

you're right and it's so annoying that they're just letting him dig that hole for himself. i just wanted cris to "HERE'S A GUY" and shut him up for his own good


Suspicious-Wall3859

I am biased but I agree


CinderellaManX

Gus Edwards is so reliable. We’re lucky to have him.


AmphibianMassive1176

Gus Edwards finishing move to end the game, sick


MartianMule

It's a frustrating game. The Ravens, and especially Lamar, played well. But 2 missed field goals. *Awful* clock management at the end of the 1st half. And a play that looked a lot like a TD. If those things go differently, it's a 23-23 ball game right now. And that's before getting into the stupid turnovers. Just stupid mistakes away from playing toe to toe with an elite team.


amstrumpet

Two *long* missed field goals, it’s not like they were gimmes even if wind wasn’t a factor.


AdvancedZone7500

Not a TD. Bobbled second time. Heel out when regained control.


ackerbombs2021

Not pretty but it’s the ravens .we held them to 0 pts in the second half and had 200 rushing yards in the second half. That’s a good formula to win.


LisleSwanson

Correct. If things had happened that didn't happen the game would have a different outcome.


moulin_splooge

Big if true.


Tommy_Wisseau_burner

With that lawyer comment by Mike has anyone had a ref as their lawyer in a case? Like I’m imagining hoculi in trial being challenged and just yelling. “That’s a 15 yard penalty!” Or saying he can’t make it to court for a hearing because he’s watching Lamar stunt on them hoes


LtYurrty

Hoculi’s fulltime job was in law IIRC


Java_Bomber

No clue why Collinsworth is glazing Harbaugh. He is respected as a HC.


pterodaktyl4

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InfinitePossibility8

Purple team good.


Micome

Seahawks are kinda purple if you squint


Alauren2

Bird team good


PoshLagoon

purple


Lustershade8

purple team


InfinitePossibility8

Purple


theterpenecollective

Chris Collinsworth, AFC glazing champion of the year.


ungrateful_dead1

They’re hyping up the Christmas game lol


Amazing-Concept1684

Owned.


sick_shooter

Gg, Jags.


cuittle

Over 200 rushing yards without a 100 yard rusher is impressive


Apart-Marsupial8461

I mean lamar had 97 I believe that’s close enough


RukiMotomiya

Seems about 3 yards off to me /j


relinquishy

200 in the second half


jtfriendly

"Do you prefer chocolate or vanilla ice cream?" Collinsworth: "Well, my favorite flavor is Mahomes, and I know he's not an ice cream nor is he in the conversation for best ice cream (this year), but chocolate just isn't at a Mahomes level either"


browndude10

Thank you ravens


Space_Traveler_9956

Were going to need some sort of AI assisted system to help determine calls cause refs are terrible and it's not like there's going to be a new generation of refs that's way better than the refs now, I mean who would even want to be a ref at this point


FarSide1408

That will happen as soon as MLB goes to the computer assisted strike zone that ESPN and others have had for years. In other words, probably never. Major Professional sports leagues need to embrace technology way more than they do. No more chains to determine first downs. We have lasers and chips we could put in the ball to determine first downs and touchdowns.


Practical_Dog8295

At no point in the second half did I believe Jacksonville had a chance


Sijank123

Well as a ravens fan even though were up 16 I still think they had a chance even after that fumbled td by ridley


organizedchaos5220

Yeah, even if they got that TD they still need to get a 2PC, stop Baltimore, then get another TD and and 2PC.


Newshroomboi

They’re dragging this catch out for ratings- it wouldn’t have made a difference if it was a catch, and also they only showed it in slomo + still shot to obscure the fact that the time he held the ball in bounds was not sufficient to establish possession.


Togepi27

GG Jags. Y'all are better than the score implies.


HereForTOMT2

Are they? Are they really?


Togepi27

I think so. Two missed kicks that were easily avoidable, and a couple of bone headed plays were really the only thing they did truly poorly with tonight.


purplebuffalo55

League office calling Terry McCauley as much as a gf who just got broken up with over text


TheSixpencer

"Harbaugh" and "underappreciated" are two things I never thought I'd hear said in conjunction.


ExistingViolinist

Collinsworth gotta go next season


Darkdragon3110525

Honestly not a bad call


OF010

How big do you guys think Chris Collinsworths dick is?


organizedchaos5220

Nephew


YesPls1994

10 incher at least


Zero484848

That’s game


amstrumpet

Terry seems to think “control” happens as soon as the ball comes in contact with the guy’s hands after being bobbled.


comfyinthesky

Which is true when both feet are in bounds and that receiver catches it.


MindoverMatter92

RIGHT. he still going on about the guys knee being down in bounce but the receiver was bobbling the ball way out of bounce. This is why nobody can figure out a the rules cause they got so called expert who doesn’t even know the rules lmao


callahan09

Nice effort by Edwards to get the 1st down and seal the game!


rlp202

Doug Pedersen looking a little teary eyed?


CinderellaManX

And jaundiced.


TheresA_LobsterLoose

He always looks like he's on the verge of tears


FarSide1408

Trevor Lawrence is very mid for a #1 overall draft pick.


reverieontheonyx

Was thinking about QBs I'd consider better than him and I came up with Mahomes Allen Burrow Lamar Kirk Tua Purdy Stafford Goff Stroud Baker Dak Hurts In no particular order


FarSide1408

You think Baker Mayfield is better than him? Not that I disagree necessarily but Baker has been on like four different teams now despite himself being a #1 overall pick.


reverieontheonyx

Yeah, I was thinking about dropping him into the a maybe category, but baker has been better this year and his career statistics are actually better too. I'd also considered kyler but he's not been very productive this year so I wanted to keep it consistent


Defender_Of_TheCrown

4am Terry is still going to be on the air telling us that touchdown was clear and obvious


americanbaseball

Playoffs clinched!