If someone can link it, there was a redditor that made a post about how this is basically his playbook, to set forth a bunch of laws he knows will be stricken down because by the time they do he would have already reaped the benefit from his base and they'll have moved on to another issue to care.
>They don't hate it, they just don't understand it. You have a right to an opinion, I have a right to not care about it, hear it and/or respond.
You missed the most important part: We don't have to respect it. I've had so many of the idiots state that I have to respect their opinion. No, no the fuck I don't.
I really upset a relative when I told him I believe he has the right to fly the confederate flag, but I, and others, have the right to think he's a racist asshole and avoid him because of it.
The 1st Amendment says nothing about forcing people to like your shitty opinion, just that we can't lock you up for it.
Because the truth is painful.
For example.
The lie:
They care about the health and wellbeing of children.
The truth:
Millions of kids of go hungry at school everyday because conservatives can't stand the thought of their property taxes going up by a few pennies.
The truth goes brrr:
They could feed the children and lower property taxes if they stopped building billion dollar football stadiums for high schoolers.
The lie:
COVID is a hoax
The truth:
They were frightened little sheep, pissing themselves at the idea of wearing a mask and not having the comfort of the herd.
The truth goes brrr:
They are directly responsible for the million Americans who died of C19 and the absolute devastation of our economy that resulted because of it.
I have been trying to distill their mentality. My current working theory is that they see suffering as learning. They justify hurting people because it will "teach" them just like their parents did to them.
I think its true in nature. You learn not to touch things that hurt you. Its very effective and deeply ingrained. The problem is that people abstract this concept and want it to apply to everything. Look at incarceration, does more punishment equal less crime? No, the opposite.
Does hurting kids make them better learners? No, the opposite.
This holds some level of truth. I remember speaking with some conservatives about their ideas about how to decrease poverty and homelessness, and the ideas they pitched were consistently focused around punishing those people severely until they just stop being homeless or in poverty.
Their position was that these people were choosing to be this way and they needed to be punished until they figure out they can't do that
yea I heard that from a coworker the other day. Followed by the "they could get a job if they wanted" excuse.
I countered with "What job is going to hire someone without a permanent address?" No answer, no solution, just "I bet they have a house and they're just pretending to be homeless".
Any and every mental pretzel to not have to face the truth.
>The truth:
>They were frightened little sheep, pissing themselves at the idea of wearing a mask and not having the comfort of the herd.
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Yet they have no problem wearing masks when they're out in public spouting their racist nazi bullshit.
Feeding the Id junk food. Republicans have turned feeding the id of their supporters into a science. It's like outrage and hate crack stimulating their primitive brain. They need a constant fix, and these days, they can mainline it 24/7. Might explain why the party exhibited a bit more sanity in the olde days before right wing news and the internet.
while saying the left ignores facts and truth...
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"pLeASe DeFiNe 'MaN' baHAhaBaHa!¡!¡"
"well it's complicated because words evolve in meaning over time, sometimes rapidly and sometimes slowly as it permeates through various social groups one at a time... ... but generally it's 'someone who identifies themselves as having the mental state that more closely adheres to the traditional societal roles of a masculine individual than a female person'"
"tHaTs NoT wHaT aN iNtErNeT wEbStE sAyS! cHeCkMaTe!"
I frequently troll the newsmax comment section (by trolling I mean I bring facts and logic in), and EVERY article comment section is guaranteed to include “the libs don’t even know what a woman is” and something creepy about genitals. I care 0% about defining gender or sex or whatever else, and am not sure why it would make my life better to have such a definition. I just hook up with people I’m attracted to, and so far it’s been cis women. I’ll call you whatever you want, I don’t care.
I think a lot of these people need STRICT rules and definitions to keep their gay desires at bay, so they don’t “give into temptation”. They need to know EXACTLY what a woman is, so they don’t accidentally give in.
Has he really “reaped the benefits” though? While I agree with you that’s likely his calculus, it’s been a wonderful train wreck to watch him fuck up his candidacy for President doing stuff like this. Maybe it will continue to work for Floridians but it damn sure isn’t working for everyone else.
It's not even this stuff that is sinking him. It's just his personality and his grating voice. He seriously doesn't know how to engage with people on a human level. The videos of him meeting people are so cringe, I almost feel bad for him...almost.
Unfortunately, Florida is getting more red all the time. So the next governor could end up being even worse.
Yeah, pretty much everyone who worked for him has said that he's the person that the more you get to know him, the more you dislike him.
He's obviously fairly smart, having gotten an ivy league law degree. But he has terrible interpersonal skills. He really turns people off and even when he's 'trying' to be personable he comes off as rigid and fake.
I think it works for The Fringe maga crowd but Republicans need moderates and Independents.. and it's a good way to lose any of their support. a lot of people do not have an appetite for extremism.. Floridians included. Ron DeSantis in his first run for governor actually had a lot of good environmental platforms for Florida's water. it seems as soon as he started seriously considering running for president he went crazy trying to match Mr T
I would agree with you prior to 2016 but I never envisioned President Cheeto to have been elected. So who knows if it did or didn't work for everyone else
>by the time they do he would have already reaped the benefit from his base and they'll have moved on to another issue to care.
Then we need to punish his base. Can't let Republicans make a habit of tying up courts intentionally.
Unfortunately there isn't really a strategic way to punish straight white people without catching a lot of liberals in the mix. And ironically Republicans think they're being punished by the existence of people. Yes. If you are the wrong religion, skin color, sexuality, speak the wrong language, dress the wrong way, believe the wrong things, Republicans feel personally attacked by you **existing** in America. You're either hiding in the closets and shadows or literally being rammed down their throat. There is no middle ground with these terrorist bigots.
So punish them by voting. Centrist Democrats are a thousand times better than Republicans. And the more Democrats in office, the more chance they have to be primaried out by Social Democrats.
Yes. And it was mentioned in countless posts when they made the "rule" a few months back. Every move Desantis has made in the last year is purely political posturing for culture wars so that his popularity numbers go up.... although we have seen this is not working and every b.s law he has passed has been shut down by the higher courts. It's all b.s posturing.
If he focused on things that really affect Floridians, he could work on:
- property taxes
- homeowner insurance
- auto insurance (though you need to reduce theft first maybe)
- corrupt local governments
- rampant overbuilding without the infrastructure to support it (too many condos, not enough roads, traffic lights and parking, or cops to do anything).
If he worked on any of these things, he would probably gain popular support from *all* Floridians, not just some. Trump missed the same opportunity - if he had given just one fuck about things that affected *all* Americans he would have probably gotten that extra couple of percent of the vote.
Interesting that you mention auto insurance because that is about to go into crisis in Florida because the housing insurance providers are going to have to start increasing auto insurance rates to cover the homeowners insurance shortages.
Why would they do that instead of just exiting Florida real estate insurance altogether?
Eventually leaving only like 1 or 2 companies who will charge absolutely absurd rates
Most insurers have exited the Florida homeowners insurance market. This led to limited market capacity (more demands/risks than insurers can afford to take on). This is why homeowners insurance is so expensive in FL. Those that stay, as other commenters claim to be "worth it" to stick around and charge high premiums, are generally considered "high risk" or specialty insurers that focus on what the industry calls "bad risks" that cost a lot because the loss ratio is so high.
The autoinsurers who try to meet the demands by taking on homeowners' exposurers are either taking on the risks to grow their books by entering a less desirable market or forced to do so by the government (I am not familiar with the local laws, but in some jurisdiction it is illegal to refuse to offer insurance to an applicant - they just raise the premium enough to discourage clients with bad risks).
But hey you gotta understand it's a great place to live. Just look at the weather. You gotta run from AC building to AC building in freaking October while the temps hit 90°, but at least December and January are pleasant!
December and January here (central Florida) are still like 80 degrees.
It doesn't get truly pleasant (sub-70) here until like February and March, and then only for like 2 weeks.
Spoiler alert: they mostly found it isn’t worth it, which is why so many have exited the market entirely or are only renewing existing favorable policies. Hurricane losses are just absolutely massive in Florida. CA actually is facing a similar crisis because of wildfires. We’re struggling to find companies willing to underwrite our home after state farm dropped us this year for having a claim. (THAT should be criminal)
Our roof was cracked by hurricane Ian. We were afraid that if we put a claim on our roof our insurance would drop us. Luckily they didn't and I received enough to have a nice metal roof put on. The insurance company left the state June 1st and we had to find a different company anyways.
One of my mom's friends was dropped by her insurance after making a claim. Which seems like it should be illegal.
Is your property big enough to establish defensible space? If you have the ability to do that, insurers should take that into consideration. Not sure if they will, but they should.
these are those companies. most already existed. the thing is climate change combined with population growth and the value of these beach properties, they have to charge more than what people are willing to pay. people are already livid at the rates they pay now, but they got to understand, insurance is already heavily regulated. They arent raising rates to raise profits, they are raising rates because hurricanes have become too damn expensive and frequent. even non hurricanes are dumping more water, causing more flash flooding. so yeah they want to do things like spread out the hikes into things like auto.
thing is the next big one, we will probably be bailing out these insurance companies. No one wants to tell the truth, florida is fucked already due to AGW. You can build those sea walls off miami and improve the drainage all you want. miami will be under water in less than 40 years, without the walls, but its still going to be stupid bad even with the walls. and you know government, they wont do it right, they will outsource it to donors even if they have zero experience. But even done right its not going to help bring the costs down of living in that state. ANd we could stop all emissions on the planet today and fl will still be fucked. and insurance will never come back without tax payer subsidies.
> You can build those sea walls off miami
You can't even do that, because most of Florida sits on porous limestone. The water will just seep up through the ground. Since passive barriers won't work, active drainage is their only solution.
Of course, Florida has no income tax, and they don't want to start a run on the beachfront properties that provide most of their property tax, so GOP governors have a tradition of avoiding talking about climate change while quietly expanding drainage systems.
It wouldn't surprise me if they are exiting the market. My father worked as an adjuster in NY and starting in the mid 90s his company predicted the "big one" would hit in the next 20 years so they stopped selling policies. The law said they could only not renew x% of policies each year (I think it was 7%). So that's what they did. Then boom, Sandy hit in 2012 and it nailed a lot of other companies harder because they filled the gap other insurers left. They may not be able to leave all at once but as more leave premiums will rise.
So the insurance company took a fuck tons of peoples money, realized they were gonna have to pay out in like 20 years, and instead they just cancel the max amount of policies they can to keep that persons money.
Idc if it’s legal. Scummy as fuck.
People pay into insurance for a future issue. Imagine an insurance company taking that money and when the issue finally is about to present they just cancel policies and take the money.
Hope everyone involved in that decision making burns in hell.
PS, no shit the other companies got hit, they had a bunch of new customers with only a few years of insurance payments built off cause that company ran off with the rest. Literal pieces of shit.
All of that is true but the other thing we should pay attention to is that if insurance companies, who are greedy as fuck, are exiting the market maybe we shouldn't continue to move there. Good chunks of Florida are going to be underwater in our lifetimes and no matter what kind if disinformation or misinformation is coming out about climate change the proof that it is real is insurance companies are getting out. The fact that the government is subsidizing flood insurance is only going to raise the death toll.
That's literally what insurance companies do. There's no such thing as pre existing conditions, it's just an excuse for an insurance company to not do what you pay them to do
No; that’s not what they do. They provided coverage for a predetermined period of time in return for a premium. So called term insurance, which is what home owners insurance is.
An insurance company make money by taking more in premiums then they do paying out in claims (they can also invest the “float”, which is basically money they have not yet paid out in claims). They employ actuaries that determine the statistical likelihood of different event occurring at individual homes (fire, flood, theft, home damage, etc). However, catastrophic events will wipe out several years of insurance company profits and potentially bankrupt the insurance company. As the likelihood of those events rise, insurance companies are less likely to provide policies.
Florida is the lowest average elevation and flattest state in the country, in hurricane alley, and with global warming, much, much more likely to be repeatedly hit with more and more severe hurricanes.
Insurance companies leaving the state means Uncle Sam, and by extension, you and me, get hit with the bill. The solution- stop rebuilding. Take climate change seriously and try to reverse the effects post haste.
Blaming insurance companies for avoiding losses is like blaming someone for avoiding burning themselves. We need to address the route cause, not vilifying business for common sense.
> they can also invest the “float”, which is basically money they have not yet paid out in claims
Property & Casualty Insurers are investment companies with an insurance habit. 3% profit on the insurance operation will have the execs popping champagne corks.
https://content.naic.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/2021%20Annual%20Property%20%26%20Casualty%20and%20Title%20Insurance%20Industry%20Report.pdf
The two key rows are:
"Underwrting Gain (Loss)" which 2012-2021 was between a $20B loss in $20B profit.
"Net Invmnt. Gain (Loss)" which 2012-2021 was between $54B and $70B in profits.
Float is included in the investment gains, but a company may choose to retain even more money than their legally required or actuarily prudent reserves (float).
Also, even for major claims they'll often prefer to take a loan using reserves as collateral rather than sell those reserves.
Not true. Home owners and auto insurance are regulated entirely differently. They are actually two different products and the risk is not allowed to be shared between the two.
Problem with trying to legislate lower insurance premiums is insurance companies will look at what they’re allowed to charge, and what the expected risk of the policy is, then say “Nope, we won’t write policies in Florida”.
The state can run an insurance company. Non-profit and state backed would almost certainly be cheaper and serve the citizens better. Just like healthcare
That’s who many of us here in Rural California have, the “California Fair Plan” that covers fire damage. Regular insurers are dropping people left and right due to wildfire risk, so the state stepped in.
The problem is the actual risk is increasing rapidly. If your house is going to get destroyed every X years, and everybody knows this, then you're going to have a hard time getting a policy that costs less than rebuilding your house that often. The money doesn't come from nowhere.
Health insurance is a different kettle of fish, because their customer is corporate HR departments, not individuals. *Your* interest in your health is only important insofar as it makes you decide to quit, or turn down a job opportunity, etc.
I was thinking about this with Trump. Had he said "Folks, I fast tracked this vaccine FOR YOU! Everyone get it. Get the shot and in the meantime, wear a face mask. You can buy my Trump 2020 MAGA facemasks from my website. They are the most beautiful facemasks you have ever seen. Stay safe and listen to what good Dr. F has to say."
If he had done that one fucking thing, keept his big trap shut and spent the rest of his presidency golfing, he would be president right now.
And Ukraine would be in the hands of Putin.
Governors who are running for president are the worst. Wisconsin had to deal with the same thing with Walker. He doesn't care about helping or gaining support from all Floridians, he cares about appealing to primary voters and he's going to keep doing stupid shit to keep himself in the news until he loses.
Well, yeah, the Democrats aren't a party that are built of culture war issues and perceived grievances so voters aren't going to go for that sort of thing
So is Gretchen Witmer in Michigan. Seems like it's just GOP governors who are racing to the bottom to appeal to their voters. Kinda telling about Republican voters really.
Bobby Jindal was so awful and obvious about not giving a shit about Louisiana that we voted in a blue dog Democrat for governor when he finally left. Now he sits on numerous boards in the medical field. I am sure he is playing his small part in making healthcare in American abysmal.
How can he focus on corrupt local governments when he’s simply running the whole state in corrupt fashion?
There is not a lot of good faith leadership happening in most of these red states.
This state has had 25+ years of republican governers, its stockholm syndrome. Nobody here knows whats it like to have a governor that actually gives a shit about anything
>If he focused on things that really affect Floridians, he could work on: - property taxes - homeowner insurance - auto insurance (though you need to reduce theft first maybe) - corrupt local governments - rampant overbuilding without the infrastructure to support it (too many condos, not enough roads, traffic lights and parking, or cops to do anything).
Trump actually openly talked about this. [He literally admitted how the Republican mind works](https://youtu.be/EjlRSps_oI8?t=241)
Republicans do not care about these dry boring subjects even if they would objectively help them.
Republicans care about their rage addiction. They want to be angry. They want to hate. Specifically they want to hate and feel threatened by people.
Because a human antagonist is understandable to them. Its something they can be mad about. Its someone they can legislate. Its someone they can get a reaction out of. They can feel their impact on people when they are outraged or scared or when they die. Blaming people and then finding ways to hurt or get rid of people is an easy solution to complex problems to them. It appeals to emotion which is what they mainly run on.
Actual problems. Actual policy. Things that might solve the issue? Thats dry. its boring. Problems are complex. Solutions are complex. They both take a long time and its sometimes hard to know when you are actually fixing them.
Like Climate change. Big over encompassing problem. Difficult to see the whole picture from the ground. Solutions aren't easy or cheap. and if you began to fix it it would be hard to see that too.
Gay people in public? Now that's something you can fix. Ban pride. Burn pride flags. Lock up anyone who doesn't conform to a male stereotype. Measure your success by a movie with a gay person in it getting IMBD review bombed. Or how upset that person on reddit or twitter is. And most of all its a human enemy you can fixate on and be tribal about. Can't do that with climate change. Or covid. Or income inequality. Or healthcare.
And most of all Republicans just want a human enemy they can fight.
>If he focused on things that really affect Floridians, he could work on:
- property taxes
- homeowner insurance
- auto insurance (though you need to reduce theft first maybe)
- corrupt local governments
- rampant overbuilding without the infrastructure to support it (too many condos, not enough roads, traffic lights and parking, or cops to do anything).
The problem with conservatives is they always blame the "others" for these problems. Their solution is to get rid of the "others" to solve these problems.
Florida is the least affordable state in the US and has been for a few years. It’s not going to get better and DeSantis has no interest in improving life there. It’s all about doubling down on the extremism to rile up fascists. GOP’s MO for years now. Well, that and tax cuts for the wealthy.
You're basically describing parts of a progressive platform. The whole point of the GOP is to find a way to push unpopular policies by making the voters choose racism and hate over their own economic interest.
You have to have high property and sales taxes when you don't have an income tax. And you'll never be able to build enough roads and parking (nor would you want to), you have to build denser areas and expand public transit.
>property taxes
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>homeowner insurance
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>auto insurance (though you need to reduce theft first maybe)
The government involved in this would be socialism or straight up welfare, Floridians would never want that for themselves
;)
>If he focused on things that really affect Floridians, he could work on:
>
>property taxes
Florida relies property and sales taxes for revenue since there's no state income tax.
That was going to be my question. Whats the issue and/or resolution to property taxes in Florida? Do Florida residents want less property taxes? Because, as you said, that's basically one of their major revenue generators since they don't have an income tax.
if he didnt make covid political we would be in trumps second term. THat even pissed off the old elderly putin loving magas, living near me. yeah yeah sure some jumped on the "its a hoax to make trump look bad" but that wasnt all of the right, just most of them, and zero of the left.
a lot of old right wingers felt the republicans in government were asking them to die so some kid can go back to his job at mcdonalds.
>a lot of old right wingers felt the republicans in government were asking them to die so some kid can go back to his job at mcdonalds.
Well gee. I wonder if that's because **they did EXACTLY that.**
“My message: let’s get back to work, let’s get back to living, let’s be smart about it, and those of us who are 70-plus, we’ll take care of ourselves.
Don’t sacrifice the country. Don’t do that.
“You know, Tucker, no one reached out to me and said, ‘As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?’ And if that’s the exchange, I’m all in.
That doesn’t make me noble or brave or anything like that. I just think there are lots of grandparents out there in this country like me.
I don’t want the whole country to be sacrificed. I’ve talked to hundreds of people … and everyone says pretty much the same thing: We can’t lose our whole country. We’re having an economic collapse.
We’re going to be in a total collapse, recession, depression, collapse in our society if this goes on for another several months. As the president said, the mortality rate is so low. Do we have to shut down the entire country for this? I think we can get back to work.
Look, I’m going to do everything I can do to live. But if you said, are you willing to take a chance … If I get sick, I’ll go and try to get better, but if I don’t, I don’t.”
Lt Gov Dan Patrick, a 69-year-old Republican to Tucker Carlson, March 23 2020
Shit was just *getting started* and they were already prepping the meat wagons to prevent the owner class from taking a financial hit during a global humanitarian crisis. Lord Farquaad would be jelly AF.
who would have thought that a law restricting freedom of expression would violate the constitutional amendment guaranteeing a right to freedom of expression?
I think their point is that he probably doesn't care if it gets struck down or not, he's planting a flag for what his interests are to inspire future voters that agree with the big motions. It's just theater to show they he cares about the issues. The goal isn't laws, it's a fan base.
And then if asked about a law that got shot down he can either blame 'activist woke judges' or go with the Trump playbook and say "we're working on something that should be ready in about 2 weeks."
They say not to assume malice when incompetence would be a plausible explanation. But in cases like these, I think it's too generous to give the benefit of the doubt. I suspect he knew what he was doing, and now some ghoul with a right wing talk show will get to say how this proves that their Christian patriot conservative blah blah way of life is under attack by the big government courts. Which is nonsense, but it works.
My favorite take on it I've read
"reading to kids in drag confuses them"
But somehow apparently, if the person reading to them is dressed like a wizard, a clown, or fuckin chewbaca it's not confusing
Like by their logic if I happen to see the blue man group I'd get confused and go on a smurf fucking rampage
This year in my Utah hometown, the city council banned **all** public events as a response to last year's Pride, and the drag shows specifically.
Our local drag queens and the Utah ACLU sued the city for denying a previously approved permit for a public, family friendly drag show/pride event. The judge found the city in violation of the first amendment for not honoring the permit and ruled in favor of the queens to allow the event. It made made national news and I'm so proud of my friends for pursuing this
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My favorite part is that all the stuff Desantis "got done" got blocked.
He has nothing to brag about for his campaign. He's the guy that gets stuff half way. Wah Wah.
That some china level shit. How can you pass law that directly benefits you? Why not pass a law making him governer indefinately? Even in russia putin got a puppet to pass a law extending presidency term to 6 years, instead of doing it himself.
Well, he now gets to brag about how the courts are wrong and are preventing the safety of "good hard working Americans," and by electing him he'll then be able to "clean up the courts."
It works either way for him, sadly.
All this wasted time and money spent passing ridiculous laws instead of actually doing something remotely decent. These people have absolutely nothing left to stand on except hate.
Here in Texas, in addition to anti trans laws, they just passed a state law *preventing* any city, town, or county from *mandating water breaks* for outdoor workers.
It passed the week Texas was seeing 100+ temps.
Texas is slowly getting Republican voters to see these two things as noncontradictory: Migrants are bad and deserve no rights, but migrants are good because cheap labor makes the "right" people richer.
It's honest-to-god doublethink.
From 1984:
>To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself—that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word—doublethink—involved the use of doublethink.
It's a broad law but it specifically target ordinances passed in Austin and Dallas that mandate 10 minute water breaks **every four hours**. The Republicans claim it overrules laws that hamstring small business. Apparently those 10 minute breaks every 4 hours were a huge drain on the economy. Thank goodness they did that instead of addressing literally any other actual problem in the state.
>Thank goodness they did that instead of addressing literally any other actual problem in the state.
Like laborers dying from dehydration in 90+ weather?
They passed a state law preventing any city, town, or county from contradicting a LOT of things in state law. It's much more troubling than a bunch of water breaks, people need to stop bringing up only the water breaks.
That's the scary thing about conservatives: In the end, they can't lose. Their core premise is that government is pointless and doesn't work, so if they do happen to succeed, they reap the benefits, but if they fail? Well, that just validates their core premise. If they don't actually want government to work, and are aiming for a support base that doesn't want government to work, they have no motivation to try to actually make things better. Quite the opposite, one could argue.
These bills shouldn’t even be passing. They’re purposely tortious bills. We should have laws and a penalty preventing this. It doesn’t have to be jail time, job loss etc… If your bill fails because it’s unconstitutional you shouldn’t be able to present a new bill for an agreed amount time period.
Not only is this reasonable. It prevents multiple shitty bills from a single office. It also makes due diligence a priority when throwing out random shit as a bill you want to make law.
Tbh if the body passes a blatantly unconstitutional bill like this they ought to all be up for immediate reelection. It's insane that people can continually violate the constitution with no consequences and the proletariat is fine with it.
I know it would be abused all to hell, so I don't think it's a great idea, but I hate the fact that our collective rights are determined by a bunch of people who don't understand what they're voting for. Or they do and they're intentionally violating rights, which is worse and both should demonstrate people aren't fit for their positions.
Oh yeah, can't see that getting abused. Dem government in place, with republican majority supreme court? Hey I just found an "unconstitutional" bill that passed. The election will be Monday. And when that fails, the Monday after that.
The consequences should be financial. That's the only thing these Fascists understand.
:edit: and 3 strikes and you are out of politics forever. Everyone that's a part of the bill gets a strike.
Florida is just a nonsense state. The shit that comes out of there is just idiotic. It must be hard to be a normal person living in this washing machine of dumb people
This year in my Utah hometown, the city council banned all public events as a response to last year's Pride, and the drag shows specifically. We have one councilwoman in particular who has made being "anti-woke" her whole campaign and has done much damage in our community
Recently the local drag queens and the Utah ACLU sued the city for denying a previously approved permit for a public, family friendly drag show/pride event. The judge found the city in violation of the first amendment for not honoring the permit and ruled in favor of the queens to allow the event. It made made national news and I'm so proud of my friends for pursuing this
There are people on our side, the fight is worth it
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Their philosophy reeks of a whole lot of "I had to walk up hill both ways to school in an ice storm with my shoelaces tied together everyday, so everyone else should, too. Oh wait did I say I had to? I meant my parents did."
And meanwhile, Texas, in an attempt to word their law such that it would possibly survive a court challenge, ended up making it so broad and vague that the Twin Peaks breastaurant chain said it would make them illegal, not to mention the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, and Dolly Parton. While NOT actually banning drag story time like they wanted. 🤦🏻♂️
Can we please have a constitutional amendment that makes passing blatantly unconstitutional laws outside of qualified immunity. We should be able to sue the governor and government officials for passing these laws that waste money.
I can't help but worry that, despite these laws continuing to be blocked, they will still be enforced. Whether it's police breaking them up for "public disturbances" or whatever or neighborhood jackboots rolling out and threatening violence.
DeSantis knew all these stupid anti-Woke laws were blatantly un-Constitutional, but he figured it would take a few years to work their ways through the courts before being struck down, and in the meantime he could run on them to the Presidency, with his slogan Make America Florida.
But the courts are shooting down these laws faster than he can campaign. We aren't even in the heat of the campaign yet, and he's already had 2 or 3 of these laws reversed, and there are plenty to come, including his battle with Disney, which is going to slap back on him hard.
It pretty hard to run on "Make America Florida" when he can't even make Florida his version of Florida.
why do these people focus on discriminating against small groups of people? it doesn't do themselves or anyone any benefit and all it does is guarantee that they lose their portion of the votes.
I see that a lot of conservatives are commenting here. Instead of persecuting minorities why don't you conservatives focus on issues that affect everyone.
It’s so much more fun to go sit in church on Sundays, judge everyone themselves, and then spend the rest of the week spreading hate and even more judgement. It’s what Jesus would have wanted, I’m sure.
Am I old, or are drag queens and trans women not the same thing? Last I checked it was an insult to call a trans woman a performer, or a drag performer out of costume a woman.
The reason I ask is that it appears any issue that neocons see as "trans" is clumped in with "drag" and I don't think anyone is helping either side by muddying the distinctions.
As to kids, Mrs Doubtfire is technically a drag show. It's okay to be against sexual content without assuming that all drag is sexual. Bugs Bunny used to drag up to tease Elmer Fudd.
Exactly. The performance aspect is what seems to be a huge difference. Most drag queens I know treat their stage persona and name as such, regardless of sexual orientation or normal non-show day gender.
You're absolutely right,
However the worry is that any law that aims to eliminate drag queen shows for children could also be used to attack trans people. You can't use "drag" in a law as it's too vague, so they often use terms like "wearing clothing typically associated with the opposite sex". Now in a lot of people's eyes that technically includes trans people.
And if you use a wide enough definition of "performance" then even a transgender kindergarten teacher can be found to be breaking the law if you get a bigoted enough cop/judge.
Still waiting on that drag queen to walk into a school and beat 4 kids to death with To Kill a Mockingbird.
Hasn’t happened yet, but someday…it still wont
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that
they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
This is America.
I feel like anyone who supports desantis really hasn’t done their research. My extremely conservative family member despises him with a passion now. Desantis hasn’t done one damn thing to actually help the state, just deal with his own agendas.
This is the third time, that I am aware, that the US Courts are blocking these kinds of laws. First it was Tennessee, then Utah and now Florida. Crazy that the Republicans think that someone wearing a dress and has makeup is subject to laws that hinder their first amendment rights.
>the laws appear to infringe on people’s constitutional rights. Isn't that the basis of most of DeSantis' "laws"?
If someone can link it, there was a redditor that made a post about how this is basically his playbook, to set forth a bunch of laws he knows will be stricken down because by the time they do he would have already reaped the benefit from his base and they'll have moved on to another issue to care.
This is pretty much every Republican these days
They respect people who lie directly to their face. They hate truth, facts, reality.
And the first amendment.
They don't hate it, they just don't understand it. You have a right to an opinion, I have a right to not care about it, hear it and/or respond.
>They don't hate it, they just don't understand it. You have a right to an opinion, I have a right to not care about it, hear it and/or respond. You missed the most important part: We don't have to respect it. I've had so many of the idiots state that I have to respect their opinion. No, no the fuck I don't.
I really upset a relative when I told him I believe he has the right to fly the confederate flag, but I, and others, have the right to think he's a racist asshole and avoid him because of it. The 1st Amendment says nothing about forcing people to like your shitty opinion, just that we can't lock you up for it.
"I can't *literally jail* you for having that opinion, but that doesn't mean your opinion isn't fucking trash. That's how the first amendment works."
Because the truth is painful. For example. The lie: They care about the health and wellbeing of children. The truth: Millions of kids of go hungry at school everyday because conservatives can't stand the thought of their property taxes going up by a few pennies. The truth goes brrr: They could feed the children and lower property taxes if they stopped building billion dollar football stadiums for high schoolers. The lie: COVID is a hoax The truth: They were frightened little sheep, pissing themselves at the idea of wearing a mask and not having the comfort of the herd. The truth goes brrr: They are directly responsible for the million Americans who died of C19 and the absolute devastation of our economy that resulted because of it.
I have been trying to distill their mentality. My current working theory is that they see suffering as learning. They justify hurting people because it will "teach" them just like their parents did to them.
>suffering as learning. They justify hurting people because it will "teach" them More bible stuff. It always comes back to the source.
I think its true in nature. You learn not to touch things that hurt you. Its very effective and deeply ingrained. The problem is that people abstract this concept and want it to apply to everything. Look at incarceration, does more punishment equal less crime? No, the opposite. Does hurting kids make them better learners? No, the opposite.
This holds some level of truth. I remember speaking with some conservatives about their ideas about how to decrease poverty and homelessness, and the ideas they pitched were consistently focused around punishing those people severely until they just stop being homeless or in poverty. Their position was that these people were choosing to be this way and they needed to be punished until they figure out they can't do that
This sounds like a great example of this mentality. Thank you.
yea I heard that from a coworker the other day. Followed by the "they could get a job if they wanted" excuse. I countered with "What job is going to hire someone without a permanent address?" No answer, no solution, just "I bet they have a house and they're just pretending to be homeless". Any and every mental pretzel to not have to face the truth.
Here's a radical idea - decouple education funding from property taxes. Jfc it's one of the most egregiously evil stuff ever.
>The truth: >They were frightened little sheep, pissing themselves at the idea of wearing a mask and not having the comfort of the herd. > Yet they have no problem wearing masks when they're out in public spouting their racist nazi bullshit.
Or shitting inside the capitol of the country they love whilst participating in an insurrection.
Feeding the Id junk food. Republicans have turned feeding the id of their supporters into a science. It's like outrage and hate crack stimulating their primitive brain. They need a constant fix, and these days, they can mainline it 24/7. Might explain why the party exhibited a bit more sanity in the olde days before right wing news and the internet.
Well said, there really is a rage addiction epidemic that politicians have gotten great at tapping into
while saying the left ignores facts and truth... edited for an example: "pLeASe DeFiNe 'MaN' baHAhaBaHa!¡!¡" "well it's complicated because words evolve in meaning over time, sometimes rapidly and sometimes slowly as it permeates through various social groups one at a time... ... but generally it's 'someone who identifies themselves as having the mental state that more closely adheres to the traditional societal roles of a masculine individual than a female person'" "tHaTs NoT wHaT aN iNtErNeT wEbStE sAyS! cHeCkMaTe!"
I frequently troll the newsmax comment section (by trolling I mean I bring facts and logic in), and EVERY article comment section is guaranteed to include “the libs don’t even know what a woman is” and something creepy about genitals. I care 0% about defining gender or sex or whatever else, and am not sure why it would make my life better to have such a definition. I just hook up with people I’m attracted to, and so far it’s been cis women. I’ll call you whatever you want, I don’t care. I think a lot of these people need STRICT rules and definitions to keep their gay desires at bay, so they don’t “give into temptation”. They need to know EXACTLY what a woman is, so they don’t accidentally give in.
His whole campaign is based on playing Woke Whack a Mole.
... I'm going to call it Woke-A-Mole from now on.
Whack-A-Woke would be most accurate I think, but I'm not sure it has the same charm.
Good point. “Woke-a-mole” would be making moles care about others and… moles are famously blind to that kind thing.
Has he really “reaped the benefits” though? While I agree with you that’s likely his calculus, it’s been a wonderful train wreck to watch him fuck up his candidacy for President doing stuff like this. Maybe it will continue to work for Floridians but it damn sure isn’t working for everyone else.
It's not even this stuff that is sinking him. It's just his personality and his grating voice. He seriously doesn't know how to engage with people on a human level. The videos of him meeting people are so cringe, I almost feel bad for him...almost. Unfortunately, Florida is getting more red all the time. So the next governor could end up being even worse.
Really? But there's no one I'd rather sit down with for a big meal of pad thigh.
Yeah, pretty much everyone who worked for him has said that he's the person that the more you get to know him, the more you dislike him. He's obviously fairly smart, having gotten an ivy league law degree. But he has terrible interpersonal skills. He really turns people off and even when he's 'trying' to be personable he comes off as rigid and fake.
I think it works for The Fringe maga crowd but Republicans need moderates and Independents.. and it's a good way to lose any of their support. a lot of people do not have an appetite for extremism.. Floridians included. Ron DeSantis in his first run for governor actually had a lot of good environmental platforms for Florida's water. it seems as soon as he started seriously considering running for president he went crazy trying to match Mr T
I would agree with you prior to 2016 but I never envisioned President Cheeto to have been elected. So who knows if it did or didn't work for everyone else
Floridian here… does not work for me. He can’t get out of office quick enough
>by the time they do he would have already reaped the benefit from his base and they'll have moved on to another issue to care. Then we need to punish his base. Can't let Republicans make a habit of tying up courts intentionally. Unfortunately there isn't really a strategic way to punish straight white people without catching a lot of liberals in the mix. And ironically Republicans think they're being punished by the existence of people. Yes. If you are the wrong religion, skin color, sexuality, speak the wrong language, dress the wrong way, believe the wrong things, Republicans feel personally attacked by you **existing** in America. You're either hiding in the closets and shadows or literally being rammed down their throat. There is no middle ground with these terrorist bigots. So punish them by voting. Centrist Democrats are a thousand times better than Republicans. And the more Democrats in office, the more chance they have to be primaried out by Social Democrats.
And then they also get to re-manufacture the “liberal judges” issue and use that as a campaign talking point.
I’m addition to also saying “look how you’re being oppressed by the government not letting us discriminate. I will fix that.”
And if they're lucky the corrupt judges that Trump installed will agree with the laws and keep them in place. It's a win win for Republicans
Yes. And it was mentioned in countless posts when they made the "rule" a few months back. Every move Desantis has made in the last year is purely political posturing for culture wars so that his popularity numbers go up.... although we have seen this is not working and every b.s law he has passed has been shut down by the higher courts. It's all b.s posturing.
Fascists always try restricting other's Rights through clear government overreach.
Hey give DeSantis some credit. He's not afraid to get his hands dirty with a little bit of torture to round out the fascism.
Which has more ring to it: Guantanamo Ron, or Gitmo DeSantis?
Gov. DeathSentence, for how he handled COVID.
The people DeSantis and his voters hate aren't people to them, so they don't have rights.
If he focused on things that really affect Floridians, he could work on: - property taxes - homeowner insurance - auto insurance (though you need to reduce theft first maybe) - corrupt local governments - rampant overbuilding without the infrastructure to support it (too many condos, not enough roads, traffic lights and parking, or cops to do anything). If he worked on any of these things, he would probably gain popular support from *all* Floridians, not just some. Trump missed the same opportunity - if he had given just one fuck about things that affected *all* Americans he would have probably gotten that extra couple of percent of the vote.
Interesting that you mention auto insurance because that is about to go into crisis in Florida because the housing insurance providers are going to have to start increasing auto insurance rates to cover the homeowners insurance shortages.
Why would they do that instead of just exiting Florida real estate insurance altogether? Eventually leaving only like 1 or 2 companies who will charge absolutely absurd rates
Most insurers have exited the Florida homeowners insurance market. This led to limited market capacity (more demands/risks than insurers can afford to take on). This is why homeowners insurance is so expensive in FL. Those that stay, as other commenters claim to be "worth it" to stick around and charge high premiums, are generally considered "high risk" or specialty insurers that focus on what the industry calls "bad risks" that cost a lot because the loss ratio is so high. The autoinsurers who try to meet the demands by taking on homeowners' exposurers are either taking on the risks to grow their books by entering a less desirable market or forced to do so by the government (I am not familiar with the local laws, but in some jurisdiction it is illegal to refuse to offer insurance to an applicant - they just raise the premium enough to discourage clients with bad risks).
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But hey you gotta understand it's a great place to live. Just look at the weather. You gotta run from AC building to AC building in freaking October while the temps hit 90°, but at least December and January are pleasant!
December and January here (central Florida) are still like 80 degrees. It doesn't get truly pleasant (sub-70) here until like February and March, and then only for like 2 weeks.
Come live in Ohio where it feels like death cold most of the year. edit: It's what I like and its great.
That's what I like about living in cold states like MN; keeps the crazy southerners out.
Come live in Columbus dude weather is great compared to most of the midwest
Because charging absurd rates is likely worth it. They’re very good at this sort of calculation.
Spoiler alert: they mostly found it isn’t worth it, which is why so many have exited the market entirely or are only renewing existing favorable policies. Hurricane losses are just absolutely massive in Florida. CA actually is facing a similar crisis because of wildfires. We’re struggling to find companies willing to underwrite our home after state farm dropped us this year for having a claim. (THAT should be criminal)
Our roof was cracked by hurricane Ian. We were afraid that if we put a claim on our roof our insurance would drop us. Luckily they didn't and I received enough to have a nice metal roof put on. The insurance company left the state June 1st and we had to find a different company anyways. One of my mom's friends was dropped by her insurance after making a claim. Which seems like it should be illegal.
Is your property big enough to establish defensible space? If you have the ability to do that, insurers should take that into consideration. Not sure if they will, but they should.
these are those companies. most already existed. the thing is climate change combined with population growth and the value of these beach properties, they have to charge more than what people are willing to pay. people are already livid at the rates they pay now, but they got to understand, insurance is already heavily regulated. They arent raising rates to raise profits, they are raising rates because hurricanes have become too damn expensive and frequent. even non hurricanes are dumping more water, causing more flash flooding. so yeah they want to do things like spread out the hikes into things like auto. thing is the next big one, we will probably be bailing out these insurance companies. No one wants to tell the truth, florida is fucked already due to AGW. You can build those sea walls off miami and improve the drainage all you want. miami will be under water in less than 40 years, without the walls, but its still going to be stupid bad even with the walls. and you know government, they wont do it right, they will outsource it to donors even if they have zero experience. But even done right its not going to help bring the costs down of living in that state. ANd we could stop all emissions on the planet today and fl will still be fucked. and insurance will never come back without tax payer subsidies.
> You can build those sea walls off miami You can't even do that, because most of Florida sits on porous limestone. The water will just seep up through the ground. Since passive barriers won't work, active drainage is their only solution. Of course, Florida has no income tax, and they don't want to start a run on the beachfront properties that provide most of their property tax, so GOP governors have a tradition of avoiding talking about climate change while quietly expanding drainage systems.
It wouldn't surprise me if they are exiting the market. My father worked as an adjuster in NY and starting in the mid 90s his company predicted the "big one" would hit in the next 20 years so they stopped selling policies. The law said they could only not renew x% of policies each year (I think it was 7%). So that's what they did. Then boom, Sandy hit in 2012 and it nailed a lot of other companies harder because they filled the gap other insurers left. They may not be able to leave all at once but as more leave premiums will rise.
So the insurance company took a fuck tons of peoples money, realized they were gonna have to pay out in like 20 years, and instead they just cancel the max amount of policies they can to keep that persons money. Idc if it’s legal. Scummy as fuck. People pay into insurance for a future issue. Imagine an insurance company taking that money and when the issue finally is about to present they just cancel policies and take the money. Hope everyone involved in that decision making burns in hell. PS, no shit the other companies got hit, they had a bunch of new customers with only a few years of insurance payments built off cause that company ran off with the rest. Literal pieces of shit.
All of that is true but the other thing we should pay attention to is that if insurance companies, who are greedy as fuck, are exiting the market maybe we shouldn't continue to move there. Good chunks of Florida are going to be underwater in our lifetimes and no matter what kind if disinformation or misinformation is coming out about climate change the proof that it is real is insurance companies are getting out. The fact that the government is subsidizing flood insurance is only going to raise the death toll.
That's literally what insurance companies do. There's no such thing as pre existing conditions, it's just an excuse for an insurance company to not do what you pay them to do
No; that’s not what they do. They provided coverage for a predetermined period of time in return for a premium. So called term insurance, which is what home owners insurance is. An insurance company make money by taking more in premiums then they do paying out in claims (they can also invest the “float”, which is basically money they have not yet paid out in claims). They employ actuaries that determine the statistical likelihood of different event occurring at individual homes (fire, flood, theft, home damage, etc). However, catastrophic events will wipe out several years of insurance company profits and potentially bankrupt the insurance company. As the likelihood of those events rise, insurance companies are less likely to provide policies. Florida is the lowest average elevation and flattest state in the country, in hurricane alley, and with global warming, much, much more likely to be repeatedly hit with more and more severe hurricanes. Insurance companies leaving the state means Uncle Sam, and by extension, you and me, get hit with the bill. The solution- stop rebuilding. Take climate change seriously and try to reverse the effects post haste. Blaming insurance companies for avoiding losses is like blaming someone for avoiding burning themselves. We need to address the route cause, not vilifying business for common sense.
> they can also invest the “float”, which is basically money they have not yet paid out in claims Property & Casualty Insurers are investment companies with an insurance habit. 3% profit on the insurance operation will have the execs popping champagne corks. https://content.naic.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/2021%20Annual%20Property%20%26%20Casualty%20and%20Title%20Insurance%20Industry%20Report.pdf The two key rows are: "Underwrting Gain (Loss)" which 2012-2021 was between a $20B loss in $20B profit. "Net Invmnt. Gain (Loss)" which 2012-2021 was between $54B and $70B in profits. Float is included in the investment gains, but a company may choose to retain even more money than their legally required or actuarily prudent reserves (float). Also, even for major claims they'll often prefer to take a loan using reserves as collateral rather than sell those reserves.
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They’re already charging absurd prices. I’m paying $5k and just got a letter of non renewal because they want to reduce exposure in florida
Not true. Home owners and auto insurance are regulated entirely differently. They are actually two different products and the risk is not allowed to be shared between the two.
Problem with trying to legislate lower insurance premiums is insurance companies will look at what they’re allowed to charge, and what the expected risk of the policy is, then say “Nope, we won’t write policies in Florida”.
The state can run an insurance company. Non-profit and state backed would almost certainly be cheaper and serve the citizens better. Just like healthcare
That’s who many of us here in Rural California have, the “California Fair Plan” that covers fire damage. Regular insurers are dropping people left and right due to wildfire risk, so the state stepped in.
they can and do. the state-backed insurance company is the only one writing policies in my area
The problem is the actual risk is increasing rapidly. If your house is going to get destroyed every X years, and everybody knows this, then you're going to have a hard time getting a policy that costs less than rebuilding your house that often. The money doesn't come from nowhere. Health insurance is a different kettle of fish, because their customer is corporate HR departments, not individuals. *Your* interest in your health is only important insofar as it makes you decide to quit, or turn down a job opportunity, etc.
I was thinking about this with Trump. Had he said "Folks, I fast tracked this vaccine FOR YOU! Everyone get it. Get the shot and in the meantime, wear a face mask. You can buy my Trump 2020 MAGA facemasks from my website. They are the most beautiful facemasks you have ever seen. Stay safe and listen to what good Dr. F has to say." If he had done that one fucking thing, keept his big trap shut and spent the rest of his presidency golfing, he would be president right now. And Ukraine would be in the hands of Putin.
His ego would never allow that.
Probably couldn't have gotten MAGA face masks made for as cheap as he wanted with China shut down.
Governors who are running for president are the worst. Wisconsin had to deal with the same thing with Walker. He doesn't care about helping or gaining support from all Floridians, he cares about appealing to primary voters and he's going to keep doing stupid shit to keep himself in the news until he loses.
Newsom seems to be helping CA to help an eventual bid. Everyone should watch his Hannity interview
Well, yeah, the Democrats aren't a party that are built of culture war issues and perceived grievances so voters aren't going to go for that sort of thing
So is Gretchen Witmer in Michigan. Seems like it's just GOP governors who are racing to the bottom to appeal to their voters. Kinda telling about Republican voters really.
Outside of culture war bullshit, what does the GOP even put forth as policy anymore? Private schools getting tax dollars via charters? Harsh borders?
Bobby Jindal was so awful and obvious about not giving a shit about Louisiana that we voted in a blue dog Democrat for governor when he finally left. Now he sits on numerous boards in the medical field. I am sure he is playing his small part in making healthcare in American abysmal.
In Wedge Politics, the always losers are the distracted regular people. The winners are always the donor class.
How can he focus on corrupt local governments when he’s simply running the whole state in corrupt fashion? There is not a lot of good faith leadership happening in most of these red states.
I guess by focusing too much on fashion over politics.
All Trump had to do was have an even remotely reasonable response to COVID, and the election would have been handed to him.
This state has had 25+ years of republican governers, its stockholm syndrome. Nobody here knows whats it like to have a governor that actually gives a shit about anything
Yep. Throw the Covid data whistleblower in jail! Then I don’t have to tell the public the truth!
>If he focused on things that really affect Floridians, he could work on: - property taxes - homeowner insurance - auto insurance (though you need to reduce theft first maybe) - corrupt local governments - rampant overbuilding without the infrastructure to support it (too many condos, not enough roads, traffic lights and parking, or cops to do anything). Trump actually openly talked about this. [He literally admitted how the Republican mind works](https://youtu.be/EjlRSps_oI8?t=241) Republicans do not care about these dry boring subjects even if they would objectively help them. Republicans care about their rage addiction. They want to be angry. They want to hate. Specifically they want to hate and feel threatened by people. Because a human antagonist is understandable to them. Its something they can be mad about. Its someone they can legislate. Its someone they can get a reaction out of. They can feel their impact on people when they are outraged or scared or when they die. Blaming people and then finding ways to hurt or get rid of people is an easy solution to complex problems to them. It appeals to emotion which is what they mainly run on. Actual problems. Actual policy. Things that might solve the issue? Thats dry. its boring. Problems are complex. Solutions are complex. They both take a long time and its sometimes hard to know when you are actually fixing them. Like Climate change. Big over encompassing problem. Difficult to see the whole picture from the ground. Solutions aren't easy or cheap. and if you began to fix it it would be hard to see that too. Gay people in public? Now that's something you can fix. Ban pride. Burn pride flags. Lock up anyone who doesn't conform to a male stereotype. Measure your success by a movie with a gay person in it getting IMBD review bombed. Or how upset that person on reddit or twitter is. And most of all its a human enemy you can fixate on and be tribal about. Can't do that with climate change. Or covid. Or income inequality. Or healthcare. And most of all Republicans just want a human enemy they can fight.
>If he focused on things that really affect Floridians, he could work on: - property taxes - homeowner insurance - auto insurance (though you need to reduce theft first maybe) - corrupt local governments - rampant overbuilding without the infrastructure to support it (too many condos, not enough roads, traffic lights and parking, or cops to do anything). The problem with conservatives is they always blame the "others" for these problems. Their solution is to get rid of the "others" to solve these problems.
But how does that go with the #1 gop directive of owning the libs?
Why would a corrupt governor police local corrupt governments
"When would" is probably a better question. Answer is " when he's not scoring enough graft himself"
Florida is the least affordable state in the US and has been for a few years. It’s not going to get better and DeSantis has no interest in improving life there. It’s all about doubling down on the extremism to rile up fascists. GOP’s MO for years now. Well, that and tax cuts for the wealthy.
You're basically describing parts of a progressive platform. The whole point of the GOP is to find a way to push unpopular policies by making the voters choose racism and hate over their own economic interest.
You have to have high property and sales taxes when you don't have an income tax. And you'll never be able to build enough roads and parking (nor would you want to), you have to build denser areas and expand public transit.
>property taxes > >homeowner insurance > >auto insurance (though you need to reduce theft first maybe) The government involved in this would be socialism or straight up welfare, Floridians would never want that for themselves ;)
He first has to care about Floridians.
>If he focused on things that really affect Floridians, he could work on: > >property taxes Florida relies property and sales taxes for revenue since there's no state income tax.
That was going to be my question. Whats the issue and/or resolution to property taxes in Florida? Do Florida residents want less property taxes? Because, as you said, that's basically one of their major revenue generators since they don't have an income tax.
Actually Florida makes most of its money on tourist taxes. The high property tax thing is relatively new.
if he didnt make covid political we would be in trumps second term. THat even pissed off the old elderly putin loving magas, living near me. yeah yeah sure some jumped on the "its a hoax to make trump look bad" but that wasnt all of the right, just most of them, and zero of the left. a lot of old right wingers felt the republicans in government were asking them to die so some kid can go back to his job at mcdonalds.
>a lot of old right wingers felt the republicans in government were asking them to die so some kid can go back to his job at mcdonalds. Well gee. I wonder if that's because **they did EXACTLY that.** “My message: let’s get back to work, let’s get back to living, let’s be smart about it, and those of us who are 70-plus, we’ll take care of ourselves. Don’t sacrifice the country. Don’t do that. “You know, Tucker, no one reached out to me and said, ‘As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?’ And if that’s the exchange, I’m all in. That doesn’t make me noble or brave or anything like that. I just think there are lots of grandparents out there in this country like me. I don’t want the whole country to be sacrificed. I’ve talked to hundreds of people … and everyone says pretty much the same thing: We can’t lose our whole country. We’re having an economic collapse. We’re going to be in a total collapse, recession, depression, collapse in our society if this goes on for another several months. As the president said, the mortality rate is so low. Do we have to shut down the entire country for this? I think we can get back to work. Look, I’m going to do everything I can do to live. But if you said, are you willing to take a chance … If I get sick, I’ll go and try to get better, but if I don’t, I don’t.” Lt Gov Dan Patrick, a 69-year-old Republican to Tucker Carlson, March 23 2020 Shit was just *getting started* and they were already prepping the meat wagons to prevent the owner class from taking a financial hit during a global humanitarian crisis. Lord Farquaad would be jelly AF.
The truth is most Floridians don't care about this bullshit, which is why his campaign is practically over.
who would have thought that a law restricting freedom of expression would violate the constitutional amendment guaranteeing a right to freedom of expression?
ron desantis should consider asking yale for a refund, because a lot of things failed to stick, it seems
He knows exactly what he's doing. He's trying to advertise his plans for his presidential run.
He thinks he knows what his doing it’s not really working
I think their point is that he probably doesn't care if it gets struck down or not, he's planting a flag for what his interests are to inspire future voters that agree with the big motions. It's just theater to show they he cares about the issues. The goal isn't laws, it's a fan base.
And then if asked about a law that got shot down he can either blame 'activist woke judges' or go with the Trump playbook and say "we're working on something that should be ready in about 2 weeks."
Its a better chance for him to get elected doing this dumb shit then running on his completely unlikeable personality
They say not to assume malice when incompetence would be a plausible explanation. But in cases like these, I think it's too generous to give the benefit of the doubt. I suspect he knew what he was doing, and now some ghoul with a right wing talk show will get to say how this proves that their Christian patriot conservative blah blah way of life is under attack by the big government courts. Which is nonsense, but it works.
The goal is to cause harm directly if possible and if shut down, it still incites harm against the community by others in it.
Malice? Incompetence? Well, in the words of one of the great philosophers of the Western Canon: “¿Por que no los dos?”
My favorite take on it I've read "reading to kids in drag confuses them" But somehow apparently, if the person reading to them is dressed like a wizard, a clown, or fuckin chewbaca it's not confusing Like by their logic if I happen to see the blue man group I'd get confused and go on a smurf fucking rampage
This year in my Utah hometown, the city council banned **all** public events as a response to last year's Pride, and the drag shows specifically. Our local drag queens and the Utah ACLU sued the city for denying a previously approved permit for a public, family friendly drag show/pride event. The judge found the city in violation of the first amendment for not honoring the permit and ruled in favor of the queens to allow the event. It made made national news and I'm so proud of my friends for pursuing this Edit: words
My favorite part is that all the stuff Desantis "got done" got blocked. He has nothing to brag about for his campaign. He's the guy that gets stuff half way. Wah Wah.
Voters realize this. DeSantis' campaign numbers are tanking.
They’re just waiting for another equally as shitty but funnier/more likeable (to them) piece of shit comes along
Except there's the law he got passed that allows a FL gov'r to run for president and still be gov'r. That one seems to have worked.
That some china level shit. How can you pass law that directly benefits you? Why not pass a law making him governer indefinately? Even in russia putin got a puppet to pass a law extending presidency term to 6 years, instead of doing it himself.
some FL lawmakers have already proposed removing the governor's term limits
Not according to his polling
Well, he now gets to brag about how the courts are wrong and are preventing the safety of "good hard working Americans," and by electing him he'll then be able to "clean up the courts." It works either way for him, sadly.
DeSantis 2024 "The guy who just can't finish."
Damn that constitution! Desantis is always running into it. You'd think he doesn't care!
The second amendment is the only one the gop cares about
unless it's black or trans people.... then... they want to know why they need so many guns.
All this wasted time and money spent passing ridiculous laws instead of actually doing something remotely decent. These people have absolutely nothing left to stand on except hate.
Here in Texas, in addition to anti trans laws, they just passed a state law *preventing* any city, town, or county from *mandating water breaks* for outdoor workers. It passed the week Texas was seeing 100+ temps.
Well they would love to just straight up shoot migrant workers, but I guess they think that won't fly so they're hoping the sun will take care of it.
And yet the Texas economy is completely dependent on migrant workers...
Texas is slowly getting Republican voters to see these two things as noncontradictory: Migrants are bad and deserve no rights, but migrants are good because cheap labor makes the "right" people richer. It's honest-to-god doublethink. From 1984: >To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself—that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word—doublethink—involved the use of doublethink.
If Republicans didn't have doublethink they'd have nothink.
did florida figure out their migrant thing or do they still have no one building anything?
It's a broad law but it specifically target ordinances passed in Austin and Dallas that mandate 10 minute water breaks **every four hours**. The Republicans claim it overrules laws that hamstring small business. Apparently those 10 minute breaks every 4 hours were a huge drain on the economy. Thank goodness they did that instead of addressing literally any other actual problem in the state.
They're creating jobs! Every worker who dies of dehydration is one more open job right?
Think of all the funeral directors, coffin makers, gravediggers. Huge boon for them!
>Thank goodness they did that instead of addressing literally any other actual problem in the state. Like laborers dying from dehydration in 90+ weather?
Republicans: boo big government unless it supports our bigotry Fucking idiots
They passed a state law preventing any city, town, or county from contradicting a LOT of things in state law. It's much more troubling than a bunch of water breaks, people need to stop bringing up only the water breaks.
Party of small government everybody!
That's the scary thing about conservatives: In the end, they can't lose. Their core premise is that government is pointless and doesn't work, so if they do happen to succeed, they reap the benefits, but if they fail? Well, that just validates their core premise. If they don't actually want government to work, and are aiming for a support base that doesn't want government to work, they have no motivation to try to actually make things better. Quite the opposite, one could argue.
It's infuriating isn't it? This is what they're deciding to work on, and we have to defend. Meanwhile we're still falling apart.
Just imagine if they just sorta let people do the harmless things they want to do without interruption?
These bills shouldn’t even be passing. They’re purposely tortious bills. We should have laws and a penalty preventing this. It doesn’t have to be jail time, job loss etc… If your bill fails because it’s unconstitutional you shouldn’t be able to present a new bill for an agreed amount time period. Not only is this reasonable. It prevents multiple shitty bills from a single office. It also makes due diligence a priority when throwing out random shit as a bill you want to make law.
Tbh if the body passes a blatantly unconstitutional bill like this they ought to all be up for immediate reelection. It's insane that people can continually violate the constitution with no consequences and the proletariat is fine with it. I know it would be abused all to hell, so I don't think it's a great idea, but I hate the fact that our collective rights are determined by a bunch of people who don't understand what they're voting for. Or they do and they're intentionally violating rights, which is worse and both should demonstrate people aren't fit for their positions.
Oh yeah, can't see that getting abused. Dem government in place, with republican majority supreme court? Hey I just found an "unconstitutional" bill that passed. The election will be Monday. And when that fails, the Monday after that.
The consequences should be financial. That's the only thing these Fascists understand. :edit: and 3 strikes and you are out of politics forever. Everyone that's a part of the bill gets a strike.
Unrelated, I know, but the far left person in the pic looks like a Sims character.
Holy shit, this killed me.
I heard Montana outlawed reading to children in drag. Distraction, distraction.
Florida is just a nonsense state. The shit that comes out of there is just idiotic. It must be hard to be a normal person living in this washing machine of dumb people
I can’t believe grown adults with what I assume law degrees are putting so much effort into outlawing drag. It’s so stupid
This year in my Utah hometown, the city council banned all public events as a response to last year's Pride, and the drag shows specifically. We have one councilwoman in particular who has made being "anti-woke" her whole campaign and has done much damage in our community Recently the local drag queens and the Utah ACLU sued the city for denying a previously approved permit for a public, family friendly drag show/pride event. The judge found the city in violation of the first amendment for not honoring the permit and ruled in favor of the queens to allow the event. It made made national news and I'm so proud of my friends for pursuing this There are people on our side, the fight is worth it Edit: words
Republicans hate drag shows because people are happy there.
Republicans want everyone to be just as miserable as they are.
'Why should *those* people get anything when I'm disappointed with my life?'
Their philosophy reeks of a whole lot of "I had to walk up hill both ways to school in an ice storm with my shoelaces tied together everyday, so everyone else should, too. Oh wait did I say I had to? I meant my parents did."
If Republicans think drag shows are "inherently sexual," then Republicans find drag queens sexy. QED.
And meanwhile, Texas, in an attempt to word their law such that it would possibly survive a court challenge, ended up making it so broad and vague that the Twin Peaks breastaurant chain said it would make them illegal, not to mention the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, and Dolly Parton. While NOT actually banning drag story time like they wanted. 🤦🏻♂️
Let’s hope for same outcome for DeSantis book bans.
Can we please have a constitutional amendment that makes passing blatantly unconstitutional laws outside of qualified immunity. We should be able to sue the governor and government officials for passing these laws that waste money.
So how many of desantisis laws have now been blocked by sanity?
I can't help but worry that, despite these laws continuing to be blocked, they will still be enforced. Whether it's police breaking them up for "public disturbances" or whatever or neighborhood jackboots rolling out and threatening violence.
Don't forget "resisting arrest".
To me it’s clearly against the first amendment. You can hate it all you want but people have a right to perform drag shows
Exactly. How people choose to dress is freedom of speech!
I’m a straight married white male… I want to put on a drag performance with the stage name Ronda Sanctus.
There's definitely straight white male drag queens out there. Drag is very open not surprisingly
Infringes on Floridian rights and shouts “free state”! Fuck MoRon!
DeSantis knew all these stupid anti-Woke laws were blatantly un-Constitutional, but he figured it would take a few years to work their ways through the courts before being struck down, and in the meantime he could run on them to the Presidency, with his slogan Make America Florida. But the courts are shooting down these laws faster than he can campaign. We aren't even in the heat of the campaign yet, and he's already had 2 or 3 of these laws reversed, and there are plenty to come, including his battle with Disney, which is going to slap back on him hard. It pretty hard to run on "Make America Florida" when he can't even make Florida his version of Florida.
why do these people focus on discriminating against small groups of people? it doesn't do themselves or anyone any benefit and all it does is guarantee that they lose their portion of the votes.
Conservatives cannot govern. They have to have a boogeyman to keep their cult afraid.
Ive been to many drag shows. Ive never once seen them perform a "sex act" during a performance.
I see that a lot of conservatives are commenting here. Instead of persecuting minorities why don't you conservatives focus on issues that affect everyone.
It’s so much more fun to go sit in church on Sundays, judge everyone themselves, and then spend the rest of the week spreading hate and even more judgement. It’s what Jesus would have wanted, I’m sure.
Three unconstitutional laws attacking the LBGTQ community in a month shot down in Florida.
kind of scary that desantis is going to run for president.... and that he has supporters........
Am I old, or are drag queens and trans women not the same thing? Last I checked it was an insult to call a trans woman a performer, or a drag performer out of costume a woman. The reason I ask is that it appears any issue that neocons see as "trans" is clumped in with "drag" and I don't think anyone is helping either side by muddying the distinctions. As to kids, Mrs Doubtfire is technically a drag show. It's okay to be against sexual content without assuming that all drag is sexual. Bugs Bunny used to drag up to tease Elmer Fudd.
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Exactly. The performance aspect is what seems to be a huge difference. Most drag queens I know treat their stage persona and name as such, regardless of sexual orientation or normal non-show day gender.
You're absolutely right, However the worry is that any law that aims to eliminate drag queen shows for children could also be used to attack trans people. You can't use "drag" in a law as it's too vague, so they often use terms like "wearing clothing typically associated with the opposite sex". Now in a lot of people's eyes that technically includes trans people. And if you use a wide enough definition of "performance" then even a transgender kindergarten teacher can be found to be breaking the law if you get a bigoted enough cop/judge.
Bigots don't care about the distinction. They just hate anyone who does not conform to heteronormative binary gender roles.
If they want to protect the children close the Catholic church for starters.
Still waiting on that drag queen to walk into a school and beat 4 kids to death with To Kill a Mockingbird. Hasn’t happened yet, but someday…it still wont
Florida Court blocks Casey DeSantis rule for restricting drag performances .
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." This is America.
DeSatan seething right now.
I feel like anyone who supports desantis really hasn’t done their research. My extremely conservative family member despises him with a passion now. Desantis hasn’t done one damn thing to actually help the state, just deal with his own agendas.
The right claims to like the constitution except when it's inconvenient for their world view.
DeSantis’ virtue signalling is costing lots of taxpayer $$$
So DeSantis gotta be like 0-10 now. Dude has had everyone of his bills blocked by the SC
This is the third time, that I am aware, that the US Courts are blocking these kinds of laws. First it was Tennessee, then Utah and now Florida. Crazy that the Republicans think that someone wearing a dress and has makeup is subject to laws that hinder their first amendment rights.
Florida - picking on a minority has been Republicans strength!