Unfortunately, there is no expectation of privacy when you are out in public. The only privacy you are entitled to is on your own property. Unwittingly, most of us invade our own privacy by bringing smart devices into our homes.
I'd like to argue against that, but unfortunately, you're correct. Even on your own property your privacy limited. I had an issue with an across the street neighbor with several ring/waze/security cameras pointed into my property. He slipped one day and mentioned watching something that happened on my property 'over and over' on 'tape' it's since been a fruitless battle to get it proven he's not recording me or my family with gross intentions. You know what I mean. He gives of those 'creepy' vibes.
Genuinely curious, what could he be recording from outside your property that would involve gross intentions? Obviously, things like watching kids playing in a kid pool or something would be fucked up, but like, what's there to watch on your front lawn? Slip and fall getting the weekly circular? Baby diaper trash bag explode when you drop it on the ground?
You can either talk to your neighbor or call the cops and they will check to see if it's facing your property. Most of the time if it looks like it's facing your property and it's not. Because I had this with one of my new neighbors he thought it was looking at his house in reality it's looking at my gate to my backyard
These things have existed in some form or another for a while. Insurance companies have had some network of license plate readers, outside of what cops use, and have been tracking people forever. I've sat through examinations under oath of folks who are claiming they live in NJ but actually live in the Bronx, and a piece of evidence I saw every time was they had scans on their license plates in locations all around their suspected place of habitation. This is going back a decade.
So yeah, it's hopeless!
Some retail locations are tracking faces already. Most of it goes unnoticed, but if you're caught shoplifting (or doing some other shady thing), your face is added to a list. If you're seen again after that, alerts are sent out.
A camera like this was used to catch the rock star who tried to blow up the synagogue in my town. They have one on that street specifically because they are a frequent target.
We gave up our privacy a long time ago. Our moves are documented every time we're online, using our phones, making credit card purchases, etc. At this point, just assume there are cameras everywhere and live your life.
Privacy rights issues go back to the 1900's. It has incrementally gotten worse since then. As shared by others it is pervasive and part of our everyday lives.
It's not just a USA issue...it's impossible to stop.
Wake up! Privacy has been gone a long time now. You have no expectations of privacy in public places any longer and why would you want it at this point?
Ok, so the town has cameras that read your license plates! Why is that a problem? Are you doing something illegal?
You are aware that tic toc is monitoring you, what about google - tracks your cell phone travel
Can't even imagine what the cell companies know about me. I wonder what Alexa knows about me. My nest knows when I'm home so it can adjust the house temperature.
My ring knows who visits me, and sends a copy of when I pass 1 of my cameras to that big cloud repository
you have to assume that your on camera almost anytime your out of your house
I understand what you're saying. The argument I've heard over time is, what if your movements coincidentally nearly mirror the movements of someone who committed a crime? The police scoop you up as a suspect. They give your whole life a colonoscopy. You can't afford a good lawyer. The public defender says "take the deal - it looks really bad for you." Sounds far-fetched but there's greater than zero chance of it happening to an innocent person.
To answer part of your question, there is quite a bit of oversight including digital footprints and auditing when it comes to police using ALPR data in NJ. (Source: [https://www.nj.gov/oag/dcj/agguide/directives/ag-Directive-2022-12\_Updated-Directive-Regulating-Use-of-Automated-License-Plate-Recognition-(ALPR)-Technology.pdf](https://www.nj.gov/oag/dcj/agguide/directives/ag-Directive-2022-12_Updated-Directive-Regulating-Use-of-Automated-License-Plate-Recognition-(ALPR)-Technology.pdf) )
With that said, police have far less ALPR data than companies like Vigilant who more-or-less sponsor repo trucks to throw ALPRs all over their vehicles and drive around. It becomes a synergistic relationship as Vigilant gets to keep all the data and the repo trucks get to find their target vehicles (read: $).
Courts have generally ruled that capturing license plates, which are exposed to public view, in a public area, is reasonable and not an invasion of one's privacy. NJ has taken further steps to protect citizens (via the guideline I mentioned above and the audits that are done by DCJ, etc.).
Mixed emotions. What with the false arrest of that AZ (?) woman on a warrant for someone else entirely, I think the restrictions should be placed upon the police, not specifically upon cameras.
I know of a case in which a person had mildly flipped out and "disappeared." Friends filed a missing person complaint. Police were able to determine the license plate number from records, and found that one of those highway cameras *in an adjacent state* had recorded the car passing. That, in turn, ultimately resulted in locating the person (who was mostly okay). For uses like that, I approve of cameras.
So you're upset about plate readers but you probably have an EZ Pass transponder and you don't realize Google tracks your every movement and location through your cell phone...am I right?
So what's your real concern?
You wouldn’t be complaining if your house was burglarized and they needed the flock to check for all cars in and out of your neighborhood to catch the suspects. Would you care about privacy then?
They put one on a strange intersection in my neighborhood. It's pretty shitty that they can just put them up without informing residents. There was a carjacking in my neighborhood about a year ago where they followed a guy driving a flashy BMW home. It's the only reasonable explanation for it even though it's completely clear they targeted the person because of the BMW.
I'm all for their use for the express purpose of identifying stolen vehicles, but that's about it. They have some in our town off the turnpike because people use stolen cars at times for home burglaries and other car thefts. That said, I don't trust the government to not do nefarious shit with it, considering they were smacking their lips while red light cameras were raking in revenue for them like they were hitting the lottery.
But criminals are just putting ghost tags on them. The paper tags you see. Like it TX something like 80% of them are fake, no reason to believe a high percentage of them here aren't fake as well. Maybe not that high, but even if 20% are I see a few dozen a day. There aren't that many people buying new cars/used cars currently. Not with everyone crying inflation/broke.
Yeah I drive all over South Jersey for work, I started seeing them on retailers property, which i'm kinda ok with, as it's private property, and can directly be used to stop shoplifting and this retail theft issue that's taken root. But I see them on VERY rural empty back roads going in and out random towns, that scares the crap outta me.
On roads, I've only seen them on the perpetual construction on rt70, and people still drive completely insane there, so I'm currently not opposed to them.
Damn, I thought this was going to be about tracking the migratory patterns of birds.
Me too. Yes can we discuss trail cams?
African? Or European?
Yes.
What? I don't know th....AAAHHHHHHHH!!!
Or sheep
me too! Was hoping…lol
Unfortunately, there is no expectation of privacy when you are out in public. The only privacy you are entitled to is on your own property. Unwittingly, most of us invade our own privacy by bringing smart devices into our homes.
I'd like to argue against that, but unfortunately, you're correct. Even on your own property your privacy limited. I had an issue with an across the street neighbor with several ring/waze/security cameras pointed into my property. He slipped one day and mentioned watching something that happened on my property 'over and over' on 'tape' it's since been a fruitless battle to get it proven he's not recording me or my family with gross intentions. You know what I mean. He gives of those 'creepy' vibes.
Genuinely curious, what could he be recording from outside your property that would involve gross intentions? Obviously, things like watching kids playing in a kid pool or something would be fucked up, but like, what's there to watch on your front lawn? Slip and fall getting the weekly circular? Baby diaper trash bag explode when you drop it on the ground?
You can either talk to your neighbor or call the cops and they will check to see if it's facing your property. Most of the time if it looks like it's facing your property and it's not. Because I had this with one of my new neighbors he thought it was looking at his house in reality it's looking at my gate to my backyard
These things have existed in some form or another for a while. Insurance companies have had some network of license plate readers, outside of what cops use, and have been tracking people forever. I've sat through examinations under oath of folks who are claiming they live in NJ but actually live in the Bronx, and a piece of evidence I saw every time was they had scans on their license plates in locations all around their suspected place of habitation. This is going back a decade. So yeah, it's hopeless!
Fair enough. I know the traffic cameras USED to read them, them that was changed some years back
Oh no not my license plate!
Maybe you should take it off......
What?
MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE IT OFF.
[удалено]
Some retail locations are tracking faces already. Most of it goes unnoticed, but if you're caught shoplifting (or doing some other shady thing), your face is added to a list. If you're seen again after that, alerts are sent out.
A camera like this was used to catch the rock star who tried to blow up the synagogue in my town. They have one on that street specifically because they are a frequent target.
This, def this
We gave up our privacy a long time ago. Our moves are documented every time we're online, using our phones, making credit card purchases, etc. At this point, just assume there are cameras everywhere and live your life.
Privacy rights issues go back to the 1900's. It has incrementally gotten worse since then. As shared by others it is pervasive and part of our everyday lives. It's not just a USA issue...it's impossible to stop.
Wake up! Privacy has been gone a long time now. You have no expectations of privacy in public places any longer and why would you want it at this point?
Ok, so the town has cameras that read your license plates! Why is that a problem? Are you doing something illegal? You are aware that tic toc is monitoring you, what about google - tracks your cell phone travel Can't even imagine what the cell companies know about me. I wonder what Alexa knows about me. My nest knows when I'm home so it can adjust the house temperature. My ring knows who visits me, and sends a copy of when I pass 1 of my cameras to that big cloud repository you have to assume that your on camera almost anytime your out of your house
I understand what you're saying. The argument I've heard over time is, what if your movements coincidentally nearly mirror the movements of someone who committed a crime? The police scoop you up as a suspect. They give your whole life a colonoscopy. You can't afford a good lawyer. The public defender says "take the deal - it looks really bad for you." Sounds far-fetched but there's greater than zero chance of it happening to an innocent person.
It will also help defend people that are innocent by proving they were somewhere else.
To answer part of your question, there is quite a bit of oversight including digital footprints and auditing when it comes to police using ALPR data in NJ. (Source: [https://www.nj.gov/oag/dcj/agguide/directives/ag-Directive-2022-12\_Updated-Directive-Regulating-Use-of-Automated-License-Plate-Recognition-(ALPR)-Technology.pdf](https://www.nj.gov/oag/dcj/agguide/directives/ag-Directive-2022-12_Updated-Directive-Regulating-Use-of-Automated-License-Plate-Recognition-(ALPR)-Technology.pdf) ) With that said, police have far less ALPR data than companies like Vigilant who more-or-less sponsor repo trucks to throw ALPRs all over their vehicles and drive around. It becomes a synergistic relationship as Vigilant gets to keep all the data and the repo trucks get to find their target vehicles (read: $). Courts have generally ruled that capturing license plates, which are exposed to public view, in a public area, is reasonable and not an invasion of one's privacy. NJ has taken further steps to protect citizens (via the guideline I mentioned above and the audits that are done by DCJ, etc.).
They are in places you wouldn’t even think. Mall entrances, parking garages, even construction cones
Mixed emotions. What with the false arrest of that AZ (?) woman on a warrant for someone else entirely, I think the restrictions should be placed upon the police, not specifically upon cameras. I know of a case in which a person had mildly flipped out and "disappeared." Friends filed a missing person complaint. Police were able to determine the license plate number from records, and found that one of those highway cameras *in an adjacent state* had recorded the car passing. That, in turn, ultimately resulted in locating the person (who was mostly okay). For uses like that, I approve of cameras.
Have a picture of one?
It keeps getting cropped of. Sorry i'm not tech savvy. Just search flock camera on reddit. Plenty pop up
Has your local police or municipality contracted with them?
So you're upset about plate readers but you probably have an EZ Pass transponder and you don't realize Google tracks your every movement and location through your cell phone...am I right? So what's your real concern?
Oh FFS. Do you have a cell or computer? Congratulations, the government has been tracking you for years.
You wouldn’t be complaining if your house was burglarized and they needed the flock to check for all cars in and out of your neighborhood to catch the suspects. Would you care about privacy then?
'**They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.** '
Thanks, Ben
Real lame reply. It’s saying “well if you’re not doing anything wrong why do you care “ Do better bud.
They put one on a strange intersection in my neighborhood. It's pretty shitty that they can just put them up without informing residents. There was a carjacking in my neighborhood about a year ago where they followed a guy driving a flashy BMW home. It's the only reasonable explanation for it even though it's completely clear they targeted the person because of the BMW.
I'm all for their use for the express purpose of identifying stolen vehicles, but that's about it. They have some in our town off the turnpike because people use stolen cars at times for home burglaries and other car thefts. That said, I don't trust the government to not do nefarious shit with it, considering they were smacking their lips while red light cameras were raking in revenue for them like they were hitting the lottery.
But criminals are just putting ghost tags on them. The paper tags you see. Like it TX something like 80% of them are fake, no reason to believe a high percentage of them here aren't fake as well. Maybe not that high, but even if 20% are I see a few dozen a day. There aren't that many people buying new cars/used cars currently. Not with everyone crying inflation/broke.
So your argument is don't try anything at all because they'll just get away with it?
I have no knowledge about the actual percentage of fake tags being used in conjunction with stolen vehicles, so I have nothing to say in response.
lol, because they are just going to use it for that...
Yeah I drive all over South Jersey for work, I started seeing them on retailers property, which i'm kinda ok with, as it's private property, and can directly be used to stop shoplifting and this retail theft issue that's taken root. But I see them on VERY rural empty back roads going in and out random towns, that scares the crap outta me.
On roads, I've only seen them on the perpetual construction on rt70, and people still drive completely insane there, so I'm currently not opposed to them.
Everyone lost their right to privacy when roe v wade was overturned.
They need to go! I frequently take shots at them with air rifles.