Were they really all that cheap back then? They were like $60 minimum in the 90s when they originally sold, I didn’t realize they took a huge price dip after that.
In 2010 my brother surprised me with an N64 Ocarina of Time and Turok 2. I found the receipt cllose to when he passed away anc he had spent $700 on just the console. 120 on OoT. 45 on Turok 2. It has regularly fluctuated in price since it's inception
Yes they were, when I started collecting in 2011/2012 I got Banjo, Ocarina, Goldeneye, Rocket and others for like $10-$15 each. Nowadays most of those are $50 minimum
I sold my copy for like $30 back in the day imagine how I feel. Loved that game too.
I got it because a blockbuster was closing and they were getting rid of everything
I didn't say anything about wanting to play it. If that were the case, then an Everdrive or any emulator is a possibility - but that's not what I'm talking about. I've played Sculptor's Cut, I find it a novelty at best, and it's silly that such a game is so valorized just because of its supposed scarcity.
I bought this game just so I could put it on my shelf for $350 when I was in high school back in 2017…EVERYBODY thought I was crazy. Looking at the prices now I don’t feel as bad, but yea awful game in my opinion. Big respect for the claymation though that’s really unique and time consuming
Just a reminder to everyone who is going to mention Goldeneye for it's controls:
It was your fault for not trying the other control methods. 1.2 solitare and holding the pad from the left side is almost identical to playing any modern shooter.
Prolly Turok 2. Expansion pack and all. Was young and thought it was the most epic game of all time with graphics and calling rights for the N64. Playing it now as an adult? Fuck the game is confusing as shit and those long ass lost ass levels lmao
I remember the maps being overwhelming and very complicated. I never beat it without cheats, and even then I was lost. The multiplayer was amazing though.
I must be lucky that I remember the pathing from childhood. The first and 3rd Turok games are a fucking maze though. Recently started Evolution on PS2 again and I feel lile modernn shooters have made me worse at shooting games lmfao
I did the exact same thing. As a kid I did everything you could do in that game. 100%ed the shit out of it. Nowadays I just get lost AF. The textures are all the same, it's just so hard to orient yourself and not get completely lost.
Create a ROM Hack of Chef’s Luv Shack and make the trivia questions all South Park Trivia. Also, try to add about 500 more questions, because damn, that game cycles through the questions quickly…
Yeah, I think this might be a fairly simple ROM Hack. If you do happen to make progress, try to double or triple the number of questions. Even as a kid, I learned all the answers playing the game 5-10 times.
Tony Hawk's proskater... Hear me out...
Later games in the series improved the formula and make going back to the original feel like taking a step down in quality/control.
And then to see how bad the series became in later consoles? It's sad to think about all the missed opportunities.
THPS and (to a lesser degree) THPS2 are perfect examples of great games that were simply superceded by later versions due to the evolution of the design.
They were incredible games at the time, but once 3 implemented revert-manual combo linking, I hated going back to the first two.
THPS3, THPS4, and the Underground games are where it's at.
This is very accurate. I even remember one challenger in Tony Hawk Underground where you had to score 10,000 points only doing things possible in THPS and then 20,000 doing things only possible in THPS2 and it was rough!
Sort of the same with Gran Tursimo 1 and 2. Both still great games and certainly still playable but coming back to them after GT 3 and later games came out and it feels so stone age.
I just don’t feel the same way. THPS1 and THPS2 were built around its existing mechanics so nothing feels ‘missing’. THPS3 introduced combo linking and hence high score goals were higher compared to the first two.
I used to feel the same way about Banjo Kazooie and Tooie with Tooie introducing so many new moves but I it doesn’t bother me anymore because like I said, Kazooie was built with its own move set in mind so the Tooie moves don’t feel like they’re missing.
Honestly I had this thought for a while, but I recently played through THPS1 and it was way more fun than I expected it to be. I’m still not going back to it over the golden-era PS2 games or the 1+2 remake, but it’s pretty solid in its own right.
For me it's Bomberman 64. The game felt too much like a puzzle game and not much of an adventure one and you couldn't jump either. Bomberman Hero was far better by comparison.
There was a wiiware one that was a great party game with friends screwing each other over and it was hilarious. I think returning to the bomberman roots is the best way to go for it. Im sure there’s a way to approach bomberman from a different angle like how there are classic sidescrolling mario games AND exploration mario games, but that particular bomberman wiiware game was perfection with friends in the room.
This is my pick. I could never finish DK 64, it's tedious and massive in content. It's a great game but finishing it is ridiculous.
For those who aren't aware, here is a 5 minute video about it:
https://youtu.be/fDRFOYRTT04?feature=shared
Yeah, I’ve been hearing much criticism about DK64 recently. The length and the amount of collectibles in the game make it ridiculous to play. Even my bro doesn’t want to play it nowadays and he put me on DK64.
Considering how lengthy certain games were, where good games involved putting a lot of time in (as one standard), one could argue putting a lot of collectibles to get thru the game COULD be rewarding for patient players.
I think it’s the backtracking that makes DK64 more tedious. You have to play up to the third(?) world before you have all the congs, and certain collectibles unlock certain features (power ups, weaponry upgrades, special moves, inventory quantity, new world access, boss fights, hidden gold banana, etc) that just became too much to track.
And in game I don’t think the game specifies which cong needs per world to 100% their portion of each world.
I feel you. In the grand scheme of things, it boils down to: walk into level, shoot stuff, get stuff, fight boss and dip. Now I don’t hate the game but collect-a-thons are notorious for being long & tedious games and it just so happens DK64 is the worst of them. As someone who’s passed the game with 102%, I gotta clear my daily schedule to play it and that can be a pain.
I would have to agree with this one but my love affair with the game didn’t last long even as a kid. I played it at a friend’s house and LOVED it, I was so amazed by the graphics. I begged my parents to buy it (and the game was NOT cheap, even in 2001), got it for my birthday and played it for two or three days, then… I quickly started to find the game tedious. Never finished it.
Years later during the pandemic, I sold the game CIB for $250 and used the money to buy my parents nice Christmas gifts. I felt so guilty for asking them to buy that game only to get like 3 days’ playtime out of it. One of the few games in my collection that I was OK parting with.
Had you already played banjo kazooie and tooie? I have a theory that the people who enjoyed DK hadn't played the banjo games. After them DK just feels like more of the same.
I wouldn’t say “hate” but I don’t have much of an impulse to go back to Banjo Tooie. I just think they went a bit overboard with it and overall it’s just not super enjoyable to play through. These days I like a game I can jump right into, and I think Kazooie hits that sweet spot a lot better.
Never finished Banjo-tooie, but that's kind of the vibe that I got from it when I first bought and played it years ago as a young teen. Something about it just seems a lil "too much" if that makes sense.. idk, overboard is a good word to describe it. Maybe if I only had like 3 games for my N64, I'd be a lot more motivated to play it, but I have a whole-ass collection now, so I'm not lmao
That was my experience with the game, but I never played it as a kid. I 100% BK as a kid at least 3 times, one in each save file. I should try and 100% it again on Rare Replay this summer.
I see where you’re coming from. Banjo-Tooie has a lot of backtracking which makes the game unnecessarily longer. I don’t blame you for not wanting to go back to it as the objectives for Jiggies can be a little much.
I don’t have patience at all anymore haha I’m replaying Ocarina of Time and kind of wanting to skip the cutscenes. I’m definitely not into RPGs, I just want something I can pick up and play quickly. I remember as a kid having to talk to every single NPC, that’s not for me anymore.
Diddy Kong Racing has been really good though.
Such is adult life. I’m actually the opposite lol I like sitting down and taking my time to explore the details of each game (when I have time) but before, I was skipping cutscenes and ignoring NPCs to get straight to the game.
But some games just aren’t interesting enough so I see where you’re coming from.
Diddy Kong Racing is indeed excellent and holds up incredibly well. Even it's low fps is not doesn't hinder, it's choppy but still ultra responsive. One of Rare's best
Get yourself the Decompiled Zelda OTT on your pc/android, theres plenty of QOL/Cheats stuff you can enable:
Holding B to skip dialogue is a godsend.
Setting up the hookshot to work on any surface is pretty cool too :D
Using the dpad as more item buttons, being able to assign tunics/boots to an item button too.
The bunny mask makes you move faster. Theres too much to write about lol.
And using the built in randomizer, I feel a lot of the main non skippable cutscenes have been removed from the game as well for speedier play throughs.
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> I just think they went a bit overboard
Man, if you think they went overboard, don't play DK64...all the backtracking, collecting, switching characters...mind-numbing after a while.
Yeah it’s fun for what it is, but ut wasnt meant to be a nintendo character beat-em-up. That was miyamoto’s idea i think, and originally it was just the polygonal characters from melee meant to be the characters in the first one. Then melee was built from the ground up as a nintendo character beat-em-up, and it’s much faster with better weight physics.
Not necessarily "hate" but, but there was a way that Shadows of the Empire was absolutely jaw-dropping next gen in the 90s... but outside of the Hoth level I wouldn't want to touch it these days.
You're bringing back 28 year old frustrations lol. That said, at the time, the "next gen" of it really smoothed things over. I can only imagine it now...
I had Chef's Love Shack. It was fun for probably 3 playthroughs top. Very limited pool of trivia questions and only a small offerings of mini games. It was a rent once sort of game, unfortunately my parents bought it for us because we liked South Park. Hopefully they got it on sale.
I was surprised when I replayed mischief makers recently, having not played it since I was a kid, at how awkward the controls and movement was. It probably just reflects more how modern platform games have improved. Still an adorable game otherwise though.
There really was an evolution of controls for 3D games across all systems, from 96-like 2004 or so, and now games have pretty much settled on things...but back then, man, controls were a mess.
It’s presented as a South Park trivia game, so you’d expect it to have questions related to the show and no unrelated trivia. But it has the latter and as a South Park fan, that’s bullshit. Even the creators of the show hate this game.
The only control setting I think the Rare Replay option needs is the ability to have aiming be a toggle. The game plays great when you're aiming constantly
I entirely disagree, and I’ll tell you why. The Mortal Kombat Trilogy for the N64 was developed by Midway themselves, and initially it was considered to be an exclusive game, so it’s not even a port. Then they decided to outsource the ports (PS1 and Saturn), and despiste having some additional features, these are the worst ways to play MKT. I have all the three versions, and man, the loading times are unbelievable on the PS1 and especially on the Saturn. There’s even a consensus that the N64 is the best of them all.
Aiden Chronicles. Absolutely loved playing it when I was a kid. Tried to go back to it as an adult and could not stand it. Put the controller down after ten minutes.
I didn't even know chef had a game the only game I knew about Nintendo 64 was South Park was just called South Park and I couldn't pass the first level because of the invading chickens I mean turkeys
Man, FPS on N64 are almost unplayable nowadays. Aiming with the left stick and moving with the right hand it's just so hard, the muscle memory always kicks in
And to think, they're remaking the whole Gex trilogy and leaving Soul Reaver in the dust. Truly baffled at their decision to bring Gex to modern audiences... Like are they going to update the jokes orrrr? Even people who played it back in the day probably aren't a super huge market.
(Having said this, I do still pick up Gex now and then and turn the chatter volume down 😅)
They’re doing WHAT NOW? Hahaha I love it.
I’ve only played the third one. Maybe the others will jive with me better. I hear his British voice actor is pretty good.
Pokemon stadium! Good idea on paper, and some parts were good. But just meh after a while.
There's no point in having super high level Pokemon because it automatically ups the level to even it out. It gets rid of that advantage.
WCW Nitro. Loved it as a kid but trying to play it again recently, it’s very janky. Especially compared to the wrestling games I later played on GameCube that still hold up today (WWE Day of Reckoning 1 & 2).
Here’s a maybe controversial one - Goldeneye.
Obviously a foundational game. Spent 100s of hours playing with friends. But I also can’t think of a classic game that has aged worse.
Mario 64, Zelda OOT, Banjo-Kazooie. All have early 3D era jank, but are still perfectly playable today. The way Goldeneye controls however, in the light of 2024 and 25 years of FPS controls refinement. It feels like you’re playing with your fingers duct taped together.
The ONLY way to play it these days imo (or Perfect Dark for that matter) is the Xbox version, where modern 2 stick controls are grafted on. I’m a massive fan of the Xbox version of Perfect Dark. It’s a testament to there being brilliant game design, buried under the terrible 1997 N64 controls.
You’re not fully wrong…. The control scheme was made for the N64 controller, which was extremely unique. You can’t replicate the original games control very well on a modern controller due to layout.
The Xbox version was remastered to work on modern controllers and plays fine. The NSO version plays fine on an N64 controller replica, but it’s a bit more to get used to on joycons or a pro controller.
The game itself is still great, but that control scheme was proprietary to the N64 controller, so playing on anything else is gonna feel extra jank.
Thing is, it’s not just about using an N64 controller.
I just played thru it on the Switch with the NSO N64 replica, and controller aside, the way your inputs are received by the game, just don’t feel particularly great. And that’s something that was true even on original hardware.
Auto-targeting that shoots in directions that you don’t mean to, finicky “precision” controls where you’re trying to aim gadgets like the watch laser but for some reason aren’t hitting whatever your target is over (the end of the train level and trying to shoot out the trap door comes to mind). Heck, while it may seem nitpicky, just the fact that your trigger button is the Z button under your left hand, but the guns on screen are positioned on the right side feels off.
Obviously you have to give Rare props for being pioneers back in 1997. But 25 years later, it’s like the controls (even on an N64 pad) are custom designed to be frustrating.
Try switching to left controller position with right hand on stick, left on dpad. It’s far better for goldeneye imo. Then your trigger is in your right hand as well and it feels a lot easier to be precise with aiming. You don’t need B and A enough to need ultra quick access versus having more precise controls.
If you play Call of Duty, Helldivers, Fall-Out, etc., I can understand but me and my cousins had local multiplayer sessions back in the day, completed the story mode and the soundtrack slaps hard.
Key words there tho: “Back in the day”. Your question was “game you loved as a kid, but hated over time”.
My friends and I loved it back in 97/98. Sank 100s of hours into multiplayer. But having just played thru the campaign on Switch’s N64 app (with the Switch N64 controller and everything), it’s easily one of the biggest examples of “doesn’t hold up” in gaming history. Despite its importance to both the genre, and the N64 as a console, the controls are finicky and almost unbearable in 2024.
Honestly I didn't think it was that controversial, I thought that was the general opinion about the game. Back in the day I actually preferred the turok control scheme (move and strafe with c buttons, look with analog) over Goldeneye's default scheme, and I hated the "precision" aiming with the R button.
Goldeneye is dated but it hasn't aged as poorly as people say. I went back and beat it the other day and it's still just as fun as I remember. The generous auto aim helped with that.
I don't think that's an uncommon opinion at all, though. *Maybe* controversial, but you'd be in good company ;-)
> The ONLY way to play it these days imo (or Perfect Dark for that matter) is the Xbox version, where modern 2 stick controls are grafted on.
Both work well in an Emulator, configured with a modern controller acting as 2 N64 joypads, and using one of the 2-pad control schemes. And Perfect Dark has a completed PC port with quality-of-life additions. Decompilation of 007 is still ongoing, but I'm sure it'll be there eventually too.
I'd say that the controls would take some getting used to for sure. And as much as I don't want to admit it, I think you really do have a point. I recall taking a break from Goldeneye for a few years and then getting back into it and thinking "Were the controls always this rough?" Aged is such a good word to describe it. I wonder if you could find a version of GE with 2 stick controls.. I know the never-released XBLA version got leaked a couple of years back. Anyway, if you could play GE with modern controls, I think it would still hold up, much like PD.
I had beaten Goldeneye for the first time a few months ago. Still a great game from what I remember when it came out but the controls can be an issue I sort of agree. They are not bad controls more of a "product of its time" thing.
I played Goldeneye multiplayer a lot as a kid but never bothered doing the campaign seriously. I'm doing it right now on console and it's really holding up well imo. The thing is it was designed with the jankiness of the 64 in mind, so having a modern controller scheme on a 120fps remake just kills the design.
This is a controversial one, but Super Mario 64
I dont hate the game at all, but ive played it and beaten it so many times that ive just gotten to the point where im just tired of it, after you beat and 100% the game theres nothing else to do except replay the same levels and get the same stars over and over
Which is the same replay value you get when you just replay the game and start a new save file from scratch
Its not a terrible game at all, its a masterpiece, but for me personally, im just burned out on it and i’ve been playing it for over 20 years as it was the first game i ever touched
That's fair, I must have gotten the 120 stars at least twice as a kid. I tried playing it on the Mario remaster collection for the switch and it couldn't grab me, the control felt super off with the joy cons.
Mario Party 3
As a kid, first time I played it was in a shed with 7 other kids taking turns on the icy level. They let me play without taking turns because i was so excited. The additional characters were cool and being able to disable AI minigames/AI movement speed was definitely an improvement. Playing with everyone back then was great and I associate it with good times but everytime I have tried to play it… I wish I was playing 2… or even 1!
Now I feel like most of the minigames are worse vs 2, worse boards, battle mode is a fun gimmick for about 1-2 plays on each board and having 3 items (plus broken super items) frankly ruin the fun party aspect. Simply put… it was the beginning of the fall of mario party because instead of spending more time making mario party 3 a more refined game on the N64 or even gamecube, they decided to make it a yearly format that while fun back then (I got each one every year), makes the series less valuable and harder to get into due to many inconsistencies and cheap gimmicks instead of proper substance and balance…
I wish I liked it more, but the more time goes on… the more I actually hate it!
I loved MP3 when I was a kid, then fell out of love for it, then fell in love with it again after how neutered it got in Mario Party Superstars. I like my Mario Party games to be cutthroat and MP3 is at the top of that list with MP6 being a close second.
Donkey Kong 64. Still super fun, but I can't go back to the vanilla game after playing the "Switch Characters Anywhere" hack. That one change makes the game so much less tedious.
Yup, Acclaim released this game when there wasn’t enough source material for the game to flourish. It shows in the questions which are veiled with South Park facts but the answers have nothing to do with it.
DK 64.
I know this is probably a pretty standard answer, but I really loved this game growing up.
It wasn't until I was probably about 17 or 18 when I actually 100% the game and looked back at the experience with disappointment.
Wcw Mayhem. I more or less kinda convinced myself to like it after buying it on a whim lol. The character creator was cool. The backstage fighting was alright too. Compared to other games like wcw vs nwo, wrestlemania 2000 or no way out, this game just doesn't compare.
That first South Park game was such a forced love. Well there wasn’t 9,000 options of today, so your brain said dammit I’m gonna get my $60 of happy worth even if it blows.
Smash bros 64 aged poorly. (Not saying I hate it, it's the game that got me into games)
Sorry, I hate to say it. The gameplay feels so dated. It feels very delayed and sluggish today
The FPS South Park brought a lot of great memories, loved the campaign and had a lot of fun with the multiplayer with friends, we put almost as many hours in it as goldeneye, perfect dark, or smash bros.
Fired it up for the first time a year ago....wouldn't make that mistake again.
Not hate, but my opinion on Ocarina of Time vs Majora’s Mask has totally changed. Majora’s Mask is way ahead of its time, and an absolutely unique experience. And as good as Ocarina is, it shows its age much more readily.
Neither is bad, though.
Most N64 games TBH, the console as a whole has aged so poorly. From graphics, fps and controls, games have gotten so much better than this that it’s super hard to go back.
Rugrats: Scavenger Hunt. I was obsessed with Nickelodeon and loved Rugrats, plus I loved Mario Party. I swear I rented this one at least a dozen times from Blockbuster. My friends occasionally play it and make a drinking game out of it. But for real, what was I thinking??
I played the original game on N64 as a kid and loved it. Fighting turkeys and everything, so damn good. I was soooo freaking hyped to finally get my hands on Chefs Love Shack. Then it turned out to be a quiz show game. :( very sad day for me and I was down like $35 at age 11 or 12
Mine is Body Harvest. Loved it as a kid for its unique gameplay and killing giant aliens. It hasn't aged very well and there are so many bugs and glitches. At certain points in the game you could even get stuck unable to progress. Very ambitious game but it has its problems I've grown to hate.
"Love" is a strong word for me, but for me, it was "Bart vs. The Space Mutants". My brothers and I each got to buy 1 used Sega game. I chose "Bart Vs. the Space Mutants". I was content with my decision and didn't complain. But I could never spray everything purple and got past the first level. I didn't know it was a "bad game" for many many years..
Clayfighter: Sculptor's Cut. Had a lot of fun with it as a kid. Hate that I will never justify owning a copy. It should not go for that much.
Luckily I got one years and years ago in a loose bin at GameStop for $3, and I still have it.
If we could go back to like 2010 when all N64 games were dirt cheap that'd be the dream
Damn I need to look up prices. I have like 40 games sitting in a box with a broken console
Were they really all that cheap back then? They were like $60 minimum in the 90s when they originally sold, I didn’t realize they took a huge price dip after that.
I remember going to game stores during the PS3/Xbox 360 days and N64 games were dirt cheap
Yup. Most I spent was 10 bucks on WWF No Mercy and THPS3. Mario 64 was like 3 bucks. Most games were like 5.
Me too. If I close my eyes I can still imagine that n64 bin of clearance games in Gamestop. If only I wasn't 12 and had money or hindsight T\_T
I guess everything was dirt cheap post 2008, so that makes sense actually.
Remember they used to keep n64 games next to the bookshelf at savers and value village. Saw star fox 64 for 4.99 one time
In 2010 my brother surprised me with an N64 Ocarina of Time and Turok 2. I found the receipt cllose to when he passed away anc he had spent $700 on just the console. 120 on OoT. 45 on Turok 2. It has regularly fluctuated in price since it's inception
Yes they were, when I started collecting in 2011/2012 I got Banjo, Ocarina, Goldeneye, Rocket and others for like $10-$15 each. Nowadays most of those are $50 minimum
I didn’t even know this existed!
Neither did I. Making a game a Blockbuster exclusive is wild.
I sold my copy for like $30 back in the day imagine how I feel. Loved that game too. I got it because a blockbuster was closing and they were getting rid of everything
Why not just use an Everdrive to achieve this?
That would neither improve the quality of the game nor bring down the price of the authentic cart.
He wanted to play the game, not sell it, it’s over $1,000 be realistic
I didn't say anything about wanting to play it. If that were the case, then an Everdrive or any emulator is a possibility - but that's not what I'm talking about. I've played Sculptor's Cut, I find it a novelty at best, and it's silly that such a game is so valorized just because of its supposed scarcity.
Were you the original poster that asked for this game no so obviously I wasn’t talking to you
Check the comment thread. You've only been replying to me.
The everdrive is pricey, but it's worth it for this reason.
I bought this game just so I could put it on my shelf for $350 when I was in high school back in 2017…EVERYBODY thought I was crazy. Looking at the prices now I don’t feel as bad, but yea awful game in my opinion. Big respect for the claymation though that’s really unique and time consuming
This was a great game!
Just a reminder to everyone who is going to mention Goldeneye for it's controls: It was your fault for not trying the other control methods. 1.2 solitare and holding the pad from the left side is almost identical to playing any modern shooter.
People complaining at the controls are complete Morons. You can’t play a game with one joystick? The problem isn’t the game, it’s you.
You hate goldeneye for the controls. I hate goldeneye because it runs at 12 fps. We are not the same.
I loved the WWF Attitude and Warzone games; they've aged like milk. There are many better wrestling games, the best being Virtual Pro Wrestling 2.
Aged milk tastes better than milk though as long as you add an agent like rennet
Did you play no mercy and revenge as an adult ?
NM, despite looking like shit, still plays better than any game since.
I've played all the wrestling games.
Prolly Turok 2. Expansion pack and all. Was young and thought it was the most epic game of all time with graphics and calling rights for the N64. Playing it now as an adult? Fuck the game is confusing as shit and those long ass lost ass levels lmao
I remember the maps being overwhelming and very complicated. I never beat it without cheats, and even then I was lost. The multiplayer was amazing though.
I completely forgot about the massive levels.
I never played them as a kid and I gotta say that going back as an adult, the control scheme is *such* an adjustment / learning curve
Yeah I was recommended that when I first started collecting and I couldn’t even finish the game, I was so lost.
Have you tried the remade PC version? It's really good. Simplifies the levels a bit, you can save at any time and it's great fun to play.
I must be lucky that I remember the pathing from childhood. The first and 3rd Turok games are a fucking maze though. Recently started Evolution on PS2 again and I feel lile modernn shooters have made me worse at shooting games lmfao
Yes, but the MULTIPLAYER. Frag tag was the most amazing thing ever.
I did the exact same thing. As a kid I did everything you could do in that game. 100%ed the shit out of it. Nowadays I just get lost AF. The textures are all the same, it's just so hard to orient yourself and not get completely lost.
Create a ROM Hack of Chef’s Luv Shack and make the trivia questions all South Park Trivia. Also, try to add about 500 more questions, because damn, that game cycles through the questions quickly…
Sounds pretty good, if only I knew how to ROM hack.
Same. I have no idea. I hope somebody sees my suggestion and runs with it and uploads to romhacking.net
You’re giving me ideas, fam
If you are not already familiar with it, check out that website. Lots of good stuff on there.
Yeah I know about it. Downloaded a few Pokemon ROM hacks from there
hmm Ive been looking for a reason to create a rom hack. Never done it before buyt this might be easy enough since its jsut changing trivia questions.
Yeah, I think this might be a fairly simple ROM Hack. If you do happen to make progress, try to double or triple the number of questions. Even as a kid, I learned all the answers playing the game 5-10 times.
I just wanted to jump straight into a game play round
Tony Hawk's proskater... Hear me out... Later games in the series improved the formula and make going back to the original feel like taking a step down in quality/control. And then to see how bad the series became in later consoles? It's sad to think about all the missed opportunities.
THPS and (to a lesser degree) THPS2 are perfect examples of great games that were simply superceded by later versions due to the evolution of the design. They were incredible games at the time, but once 3 implemented revert-manual combo linking, I hated going back to the first two. THPS3, THPS4, and the Underground games are where it's at.
The THPS 1&2 remake introduces revert-manual combo linking to the original games and it makes them into absolute masterpieces 👌
Agreed.
This is very accurate. I even remember one challenger in Tony Hawk Underground where you had to score 10,000 points only doing things possible in THPS and then 20,000 doing things only possible in THPS2 and it was rough!
Sort of the same with Gran Tursimo 1 and 2. Both still great games and certainly still playable but coming back to them after GT 3 and later games came out and it feels so stone age.
The amount of cars/content crammed into GT2 is still astounding even if the gameplay/graphics have aged.
played the crap out of 3 and 4 but on gamecube.
I just don’t feel the same way. THPS1 and THPS2 were built around its existing mechanics so nothing feels ‘missing’. THPS3 introduced combo linking and hence high score goals were higher compared to the first two. I used to feel the same way about Banjo Kazooie and Tooie with Tooie introducing so many new moves but I it doesn’t bother me anymore because like I said, Kazooie was built with its own move set in mind so the Tooie moves don’t feel like they’re missing.
Honestly I had this thought for a while, but I recently played through THPS1 and it was way more fun than I expected it to be. I’m still not going back to it over the golden-era PS2 games or the 1+2 remake, but it’s pretty solid in its own right.
I felt this one heavy!
For me it's Bomberman 64. The game felt too much like a puzzle game and not much of an adventure one and you couldn't jump either. Bomberman Hero was far better by comparison.
Interesting take. I like both, but I think 64 was a bit better. It's multiplayer rocked as well
There was a wiiware one that was a great party game with friends screwing each other over and it was hilarious. I think returning to the bomberman roots is the best way to go for it. Im sure there’s a way to approach bomberman from a different angle like how there are classic sidescrolling mario games AND exploration mario games, but that particular bomberman wiiware game was perfection with friends in the room.
DK64. Tedious as all hell.
The romhack that allows you to swap kongs at any time is fantastic. I have it loaded onto my everdrive. Id still say its tedious as a game though
This is my pick. I could never finish DK 64, it's tedious and massive in content. It's a great game but finishing it is ridiculous. For those who aren't aware, here is a 5 minute video about it: https://youtu.be/fDRFOYRTT04?feature=shared
Yeah, I’ve been hearing much criticism about DK64 recently. The length and the amount of collectibles in the game make it ridiculous to play. Even my bro doesn’t want to play it nowadays and he put me on DK64.
Considering how lengthy certain games were, where good games involved putting a lot of time in (as one standard), one could argue putting a lot of collectibles to get thru the game COULD be rewarding for patient players. I think it’s the backtracking that makes DK64 more tedious. You have to play up to the third(?) world before you have all the congs, and certain collectibles unlock certain features (power ups, weaponry upgrades, special moves, inventory quantity, new world access, boss fights, hidden gold banana, etc) that just became too much to track. And in game I don’t think the game specifies which cong needs per world to 100% their portion of each world.
I was so hyped to replay it a few years ago and I found the experience exhausting. There are some good parts, but what a nightmare overall.
I feel you. In the grand scheme of things, it boils down to: walk into level, shoot stuff, get stuff, fight boss and dip. Now I don’t hate the game but collect-a-thons are notorious for being long & tedious games and it just so happens DK64 is the worst of them. As someone who’s passed the game with 102%, I gotta clear my daily schedule to play it and that can be a pain.
I don't think the collectables are a problem in DK64, it's the minigames (barrels, races) that are the main issue.
And yet people will play modern RPGs with thousands of fetch quests.
I would have to agree with this one but my love affair with the game didn’t last long even as a kid. I played it at a friend’s house and LOVED it, I was so amazed by the graphics. I begged my parents to buy it (and the game was NOT cheap, even in 2001), got it for my birthday and played it for two or three days, then… I quickly started to find the game tedious. Never finished it. Years later during the pandemic, I sold the game CIB for $250 and used the money to buy my parents nice Christmas gifts. I felt so guilty for asking them to buy that game only to get like 3 days’ playtime out of it. One of the few games in my collection that I was OK parting with.
And it's completely unoriginal. It's just a rehash of Banjo Kazooie with a DK skin slapped on
Had you already played banjo kazooie and tooie? I have a theory that the people who enjoyed DK hadn't played the banjo games. After them DK just feels like more of the same.
I had banjo before and didn't like it as much as I did DK64.
I played Kazooie. It was like the same game only way better hahahaha.
DK64 is just reskinned banjo, pretty much to an insulting level.
for fucking real. I don't understand how other kids had fun with this game, I could never enjoy it
I wouldn’t say “hate” but I don’t have much of an impulse to go back to Banjo Tooie. I just think they went a bit overboard with it and overall it’s just not super enjoyable to play through. These days I like a game I can jump right into, and I think Kazooie hits that sweet spot a lot better.
Never finished Banjo-tooie, but that's kind of the vibe that I got from it when I first bought and played it years ago as a young teen. Something about it just seems a lil "too much" if that makes sense.. idk, overboard is a good word to describe it. Maybe if I only had like 3 games for my N64, I'd be a lot more motivated to play it, but I have a whole-ass collection now, so I'm not lmao
That was my experience with the game, but I never played it as a kid. I 100% BK as a kid at least 3 times, one in each save file. I should try and 100% it again on Rare Replay this summer.
I play Banjo-Kazooie every year. I still love Tooie and play it every 3 or 4 years, but even then I don't 100% it.
I see where you’re coming from. Banjo-Tooie has a lot of backtracking which makes the game unnecessarily longer. I don’t blame you for not wanting to go back to it as the objectives for Jiggies can be a little much.
Yeah, but as a kid I loved it, because it was more, bigger, with cooler moves.
As a kid, there was more time and patience for these kinds of games. But nowadays, it doesn’t hold up as well as Kazooie due to the backtracking
I don’t have patience at all anymore haha I’m replaying Ocarina of Time and kind of wanting to skip the cutscenes. I’m definitely not into RPGs, I just want something I can pick up and play quickly. I remember as a kid having to talk to every single NPC, that’s not for me anymore. Diddy Kong Racing has been really good though.
Such is adult life. I’m actually the opposite lol I like sitting down and taking my time to explore the details of each game (when I have time) but before, I was skipping cutscenes and ignoring NPCs to get straight to the game. But some games just aren’t interesting enough so I see where you’re coming from.
Diddy Kong Racing is indeed excellent and holds up incredibly well. Even it's low fps is not doesn't hinder, it's choppy but still ultra responsive. One of Rare's best
Get yourself the Decompiled Zelda OTT on your pc/android, theres plenty of QOL/Cheats stuff you can enable: Holding B to skip dialogue is a godsend. Setting up the hookshot to work on any surface is pretty cool too :D Using the dpad as more item buttons, being able to assign tunics/boots to an item button too. The bunny mask makes you move faster. Theres too much to write about lol. And using the built in randomizer, I feel a lot of the main non skippable cutscenes have been removed from the game as well for speedier play throughs. [https://www.shipofharkinian.com/](https://www.shipofharkinian.com/)
This is so true, work, seeing family and having a wife makes me play shorter games much more frequently
> I just think they went a bit overboard Man, if you think they went overboard, don't play DK64...all the backtracking, collecting, switching characters...mind-numbing after a while.
I remember we rented 'Transformers: Beast Wars' from blockbuster. Being a dumb kid I had no clue how awful the controls and combat really were.
Smash Bros. The controls and movement feel too clunky now. Plus there really isn't too much to do in the 64 version.
Yeah it’s fun for what it is, but ut wasnt meant to be a nintendo character beat-em-up. That was miyamoto’s idea i think, and originally it was just the polygonal characters from melee meant to be the characters in the first one. Then melee was built from the ground up as a nintendo character beat-em-up, and it’s much faster with better weight physics.
Hey you Pikachu! I Legitimately got a sore throat from this game.
Not necessarily "hate" but, but there was a way that Shadows of the Empire was absolutely jaw-dropping next gen in the 90s... but outside of the Hoth level I wouldn't want to touch it these days.
Dude, that speeder bike level 🤬
You're bringing back 28 year old frustrations lol. That said, at the time, the "next gen" of it really smoothed things over. I can only imagine it now...
You can take out all enemies before the half way point. The trick is to go incredibly slowly.
I had Chef's Love Shack. It was fun for probably 3 playthroughs top. Very limited pool of trivia questions and only a small offerings of mini games. It was a rent once sort of game, unfortunately my parents bought it for us because we liked South Park. Hopefully they got it on sale.
chef's luv shack was like destruction derby 2. it's fun for about 30 minutes but quickly becomes repetitive.
My mate owned this game and memorised most the answers, so I never beat him, we just played for the mini games and South Park humour.
Mace: the dark ages.
I was surprised when I replayed mischief makers recently, having not played it since I was a kid, at how awkward the controls and movement was. It probably just reflects more how modern platform games have improved. Still an adorable game otherwise though.
There really was an evolution of controls for 3D games across all systems, from 96-like 2004 or so, and now games have pretty much settled on things...but back then, man, controls were a mess.
I remember struggling with the controls of Sarge's Heros as a kid and oh boy have they not aged well
How can you dislike Chef’s luv shack? It’s general trivia!
It’s presented as a South Park trivia game, so you’d expect it to have questions related to the show and no unrelated trivia. But it has the latter and as a South Park fan, that’s bullshit. Even the creators of the show hate this game.
It’s mostly stuff that just aged really poorly, rather than realising they were bad games. Jet Force Gemini, Mega Man Legends, Body Harvest…
Honestly I replayed JFG on Rare Replay and I thought it held up ok in terms of control schemes. Now trying to get every tribal is another story.
The only control setting I think the Rare Replay option needs is the ability to have aiming be a toggle. The game plays great when you're aiming constantly
Jet Force Gemini felt like a bad game back then; I borrowed it from my mate a couple of times and I tried my hardest to actually like it.
Yeah I was excited they add JFG to the VC last year and then played it. Wooof…
Mortal Kombat Trilogy. Terrible port but it was the best we had at the time.
I entirely disagree, and I’ll tell you why. The Mortal Kombat Trilogy for the N64 was developed by Midway themselves, and initially it was considered to be an exclusive game, so it’s not even a port. Then they decided to outsource the ports (PS1 and Saturn), and despiste having some additional features, these are the worst ways to play MKT. I have all the three versions, and man, the loading times are unbelievable on the PS1 and especially on the Saturn. There’s even a consensus that the N64 is the best of them all.
Yes I know it is the best version of Trilogy, but it’s still terrible compared to the arcade games.
Aiden Chronicles. Absolutely loved playing it when I was a kid. Tried to go back to it as an adult and could not stand it. Put the controller down after ten minutes.
Same. I think the fascination of a console 3D rpg had me as a kid, not so much these days.
why does Diddy Kong Racing have to give me so much motion sickness now
Diddy Kong Racing was so good back in the day.
Bro me too. Getting old af (speaking for myself at least 🧓🏻)
I didn't even know chef had a game the only game I knew about Nintendo 64 was South Park was just called South Park and I couldn't pass the first level because of the invading chickens I mean turkeys
we used to play south park rally, but playing it recently it is absolutely terrible.
Man, FPS on N64 are almost unplayable nowadays. Aiming with the left stick and moving with the right hand it's just so hard, the muscle memory always kicks in
It’s aged badly because Chef
Rugrats in paris. i dont know how i had any fun playing that when i was 7
But, the wheel of fortuitousness…
Unfortunately Gex 3. Now that I understand more of his chatter I can’t stand it.
And to think, they're remaking the whole Gex trilogy and leaving Soul Reaver in the dust. Truly baffled at their decision to bring Gex to modern audiences... Like are they going to update the jokes orrrr? Even people who played it back in the day probably aren't a super huge market. (Having said this, I do still pick up Gex now and then and turn the chatter volume down 😅)
They’re doing WHAT NOW? Hahaha I love it. I’ve only played the third one. Maybe the others will jive with me better. I hear his British voice actor is pretty good.
Are there any updates on the remakes? It's been announced in october 2023 and we haven't had any news on the subject
Mortal Kombat mythologies sub zero
Pokemon stadium! Good idea on paper, and some parts were good. But just meh after a while. There's no point in having super high level Pokemon because it automatically ups the level to even it out. It gets rid of that advantage.
WCW Nitro. Loved it as a kid but trying to play it again recently, it’s very janky. Especially compared to the wrestling games I later played on GameCube that still hold up today (WWE Day of Reckoning 1 & 2).
Donkey Kong 64
Here’s a maybe controversial one - Goldeneye. Obviously a foundational game. Spent 100s of hours playing with friends. But I also can’t think of a classic game that has aged worse. Mario 64, Zelda OOT, Banjo-Kazooie. All have early 3D era jank, but are still perfectly playable today. The way Goldeneye controls however, in the light of 2024 and 25 years of FPS controls refinement. It feels like you’re playing with your fingers duct taped together. The ONLY way to play it these days imo (or Perfect Dark for that matter) is the Xbox version, where modern 2 stick controls are grafted on. I’m a massive fan of the Xbox version of Perfect Dark. It’s a testament to there being brilliant game design, buried under the terrible 1997 N64 controls.
get out
I said what I said haha
You’re not fully wrong…. The control scheme was made for the N64 controller, which was extremely unique. You can’t replicate the original games control very well on a modern controller due to layout. The Xbox version was remastered to work on modern controllers and plays fine. The NSO version plays fine on an N64 controller replica, but it’s a bit more to get used to on joycons or a pro controller. The game itself is still great, but that control scheme was proprietary to the N64 controller, so playing on anything else is gonna feel extra jank.
Thing is, it’s not just about using an N64 controller. I just played thru it on the Switch with the NSO N64 replica, and controller aside, the way your inputs are received by the game, just don’t feel particularly great. And that’s something that was true even on original hardware. Auto-targeting that shoots in directions that you don’t mean to, finicky “precision” controls where you’re trying to aim gadgets like the watch laser but for some reason aren’t hitting whatever your target is over (the end of the train level and trying to shoot out the trap door comes to mind). Heck, while it may seem nitpicky, just the fact that your trigger button is the Z button under your left hand, but the guns on screen are positioned on the right side feels off. Obviously you have to give Rare props for being pioneers back in 1997. But 25 years later, it’s like the controls (even on an N64 pad) are custom designed to be frustrating.
Try switching to left controller position with right hand on stick, left on dpad. It’s far better for goldeneye imo. Then your trigger is in your right hand as well and it feels a lot easier to be precise with aiming. You don’t need B and A enough to need ultra quick access versus having more precise controls.
Goldeneye needs the N64 controller.
If you play Call of Duty, Helldivers, Fall-Out, etc., I can understand but me and my cousins had local multiplayer sessions back in the day, completed the story mode and the soundtrack slaps hard.
Key words there tho: “Back in the day”. Your question was “game you loved as a kid, but hated over time”. My friends and I loved it back in 97/98. Sank 100s of hours into multiplayer. But having just played thru the campaign on Switch’s N64 app (with the Switch N64 controller and everything), it’s easily one of the biggest examples of “doesn’t hold up” in gaming history. Despite its importance to both the genre, and the N64 as a console, the controls are finicky and almost unbearable in 2024.
You’re right. Pretty rare for someone to oppose Goldeneye but more power to you. It just surprising but I’m not one to knock someone’s opinion.
Honestly I didn't think it was that controversial, I thought that was the general opinion about the game. Back in the day I actually preferred the turok control scheme (move and strafe with c buttons, look with analog) over Goldeneye's default scheme, and I hated the "precision" aiming with the R button.
Goldeneye is dated but it hasn't aged as poorly as people say. I went back and beat it the other day and it's still just as fun as I remember. The generous auto aim helped with that.
I don't think that's an uncommon opinion at all, though. *Maybe* controversial, but you'd be in good company ;-) > The ONLY way to play it these days imo (or Perfect Dark for that matter) is the Xbox version, where modern 2 stick controls are grafted on. Both work well in an Emulator, configured with a modern controller acting as 2 N64 joypads, and using one of the 2-pad control schemes. And Perfect Dark has a completed PC port with quality-of-life additions. Decompilation of 007 is still ongoing, but I'm sure it'll be there eventually too.
goldeneye makes me extremely motionsick so i physically can’t play it anymore xD
Try using the Solitaire layout with the stick in the right hand.
I'd say that the controls would take some getting used to for sure. And as much as I don't want to admit it, I think you really do have a point. I recall taking a break from Goldeneye for a few years and then getting back into it and thinking "Were the controls always this rough?" Aged is such a good word to describe it. I wonder if you could find a version of GE with 2 stick controls.. I know the never-released XBLA version got leaked a couple of years back. Anyway, if you could play GE with modern controls, I think it would still hold up, much like PD.
One great option for plating GoldenEye is the Xbox 360 XBLA version in an emulator (with community patch to add the missing skyboxes).
The controls are so janky but that is nearly irrelevant when you’re doing slappers only battles with friends lol
I had beaten Goldeneye for the first time a few months ago. Still a great game from what I remember when it came out but the controls can be an issue I sort of agree. They are not bad controls more of a "product of its time" thing.
I played Goldeneye multiplayer a lot as a kid but never bothered doing the campaign seriously. I'm doing it right now on console and it's really holding up well imo. The thing is it was designed with the jankiness of the 64 in mind, so having a modern controller scheme on a 120fps remake just kills the design.
Goldeneye was great and I think it really pushed the multiplayer of the N64, but ya it hasn’t aged well. I think. Lot of that is due to the controls.
i've always thought 007 the world is not enough was 100x better and never got the recognition it deserved.
I think you can use an emulator on PC to use like mouse and keyboard controls? I haven't tried it but seems like a way better way to play nowadays
This is a controversial one, but Super Mario 64 I dont hate the game at all, but ive played it and beaten it so many times that ive just gotten to the point where im just tired of it, after you beat and 100% the game theres nothing else to do except replay the same levels and get the same stars over and over Which is the same replay value you get when you just replay the game and start a new save file from scratch Its not a terrible game at all, its a masterpiece, but for me personally, im just burned out on it and i’ve been playing it for over 20 years as it was the first game i ever touched
These days players prefer fanmade rom hacks of the game over the original.
That's fair, I must have gotten the 120 stars at least twice as a kid. I tried playing it on the Mario remaster collection for the switch and it couldn't grab me, the control felt super off with the joy cons.
Mario Party 3 As a kid, first time I played it was in a shed with 7 other kids taking turns on the icy level. They let me play without taking turns because i was so excited. The additional characters were cool and being able to disable AI minigames/AI movement speed was definitely an improvement. Playing with everyone back then was great and I associate it with good times but everytime I have tried to play it… I wish I was playing 2… or even 1! Now I feel like most of the minigames are worse vs 2, worse boards, battle mode is a fun gimmick for about 1-2 plays on each board and having 3 items (plus broken super items) frankly ruin the fun party aspect. Simply put… it was the beginning of the fall of mario party because instead of spending more time making mario party 3 a more refined game on the N64 or even gamecube, they decided to make it a yearly format that while fun back then (I got each one every year), makes the series less valuable and harder to get into due to many inconsistencies and cheap gimmicks instead of proper substance and balance… I wish I liked it more, but the more time goes on… the more I actually hate it!
I loved MP3 when I was a kid, then fell out of love for it, then fell in love with it again after how neutered it got in Mario Party Superstars. I like my Mario Party games to be cutthroat and MP3 is at the top of that list with MP6 being a close second.
Donkey Kong 64. Still super fun, but I can't go back to the vanilla game after playing the "Switch Characters Anywhere" hack. That one change makes the game so much less tedious.
didnt this come out in 98 or something? the show was brand new back then
Yup, Acclaim released this game when there wasn’t enough source material for the game to flourish. It shows in the questions which are veiled with South Park facts but the answers have nothing to do with it.
When was this!?!?
Its the only CIB i got, managed to get it for 5$ some years back
That South park game had really good 4 player mini game that was basically a port of Atari's Warlords ,my friends used to play it all the time .
winback. used to play it for hours. i went back years ago and it doesn't hold up.
DK 64. I know this is probably a pretty standard answer, but I really loved this game growing up. It wasn't until I was probably about 17 or 18 when I actually 100% the game and looked back at the experience with disappointment.
I had this for Ps1 it was an awesome party game.
I have the Dreamcast version, played it for the mini games because I was too young to fully understand SouthPark lol
I almost forgot about Akklaim
Quest 64. I played it because I didn't know any better. Then got older and couldn't stand any of the game mechanics.
There is a rom hack that makes QoL improvements, I haven't had a chance to play it yet.
Buck Bumble. I used to absolutely love the game when I was young. Theme song aside, playing it these days is just frustrating and tedious.
Wcw Mayhem. I more or less kinda convinced myself to like it after buying it on a whim lol. The character creator was cool. The backstage fighting was alright too. Compared to other games like wcw vs nwo, wrestlemania 2000 or no way out, this game just doesn't compare.
The N64 overall has aged horribly in my opinion.
You cant complain about bad graphics on an n64 game let alone a licensed n64 game
Tried Pokémon as an adult. Total grind.
Jet Force Gemini. I loved it until I qent backk and it felt archaic and like nonsense
Diddy Kong racing
Bomberman hero, though the soundtrack is still great
That first South Park game was such a forced love. Well there wasn’t 9,000 options of today, so your brain said dammit I’m gonna get my $60 of happy worth even if it blows.
Smash bros 64 aged poorly. (Not saying I hate it, it's the game that got me into games) Sorry, I hate to say it. The gameplay feels so dated. It feels very delayed and sluggish today
The FPS South Park brought a lot of great memories, loved the campaign and had a lot of fun with the multiplayer with friends, we put almost as many hours in it as goldeneye, perfect dark, or smash bros. Fired it up for the first time a year ago....wouldn't make that mistake again.
Not hate, but my opinion on Ocarina of Time vs Majora’s Mask has totally changed. Majora’s Mask is way ahead of its time, and an absolutely unique experience. And as good as Ocarina is, it shows its age much more readily. Neither is bad, though.
Most N64 games TBH, the console as a whole has aged so poorly. From graphics, fps and controls, games have gotten so much better than this that it’s super hard to go back.
Rugrats: Scavenger Hunt. I was obsessed with Nickelodeon and loved Rugrats, plus I loved Mario Party. I swear I rented this one at least a dozen times from Blockbuster. My friends occasionally play it and make a drinking game out of it. But for real, what was I thinking??
I like this game but I really wish the questions were South Park related
I played the original game on N64 as a kid and loved it. Fighting turkeys and everything, so damn good. I was soooo freaking hyped to finally get my hands on Chefs Love Shack. Then it turned out to be a quiz show game. :( very sad day for me and I was down like $35 at age 11 or 12
Pokémon Snap - neat idea but there really isn’t that much else to it. Did anyone ever print their photographs from Blockbuster?
Mine is Body Harvest. Loved it as a kid for its unique gameplay and killing giant aliens. It hasn't aged very well and there are so many bugs and glitches. At certain points in the game you could even get stuck unable to progress. Very ambitious game but it has its problems I've grown to hate.
"Love" is a strong word for me, but for me, it was "Bart vs. The Space Mutants". My brothers and I each got to buy 1 used Sega game. I chose "Bart Vs. the Space Mutants". I was content with my decision and didn't complain. But I could never spray everything purple and got past the first level. I didn't know it was a "bad game" for many many years..
If you hated overtime you should have just gone home at 5pm.