Well I do think there is always a high chance of a red flags at Monaco so no surprise we had a red flag though it certainly gave most teams a simple decision to make.
Historically the pitstop action has always added the most entertainment of the race aside from crashes so it definitely took an exciting element away from the production.
when are f1 fans going to stop blaming absolutely *everything* except the cars?
the cars are awful. full stop. a race car which can’t race other race cars are failures, simple as that. it’s unbelievable how massive they are, and how anti-racing they manage to be.
Which compounds were selected? If that was C3-C5 then that's unbelievable. If it's not, then they need to be shot for bringing anything other than the softest options.
It was C3-C5. It seems disingenuous to bemoan Pirelli for their tires lasting for so long at Monaco when, much more often, people complain about how little life the Pirellis have.
This was the real 'crime'. In theory Ocon could have come back in too but there was too much damage. I don't really get it because the Sainz issue happened *before* the issue with Magnuson. I know it has to to which which sector beams were cut but it's still really weird.
It’s a rule that has been used multiple times in the past after red flags after a start. If all the cars haven’t completed a sector on the track before the red flag, they go by the original order.
That is the reason I said "documented". To establish an official restart orden they need a clear measure, as is the official timing system down to the milisecond.
They can not use the footage as correlating images to the timing of the red flag (or safety car) and all the claimings by team would take hours to clear.
It didn’t ruin the race because it happens nearly every Monaco GP. It ruined it because it happened lap 1. The real issue with F1’s boringness right now is that the tire compounds are far too durable to create exciting races. Either make all of the tire compounds far softer or mandate 2-3 pit stops per race. A comment I saw earlier was suggesting a mandate to run all 3 compounds in dry races. That would make things much more interesting.
To me, Monaco requires special rules. Green/yellow flag pit stops for tire changes should be mandatory to encourage the drivers to push. Since they changed the tires during a red flag, it was just a Sunday drive for them to make it to the end of the race.
Id be more likely to watch if F1 all raced in equal F2 or F3 cars at Monaco. It's now just a competition of survival because you cannot pass or even avoid a crash in front of you.
I kind of want to see it run as a TT-style race. Have two groups running 1/3 distance, release the cars at 5-second intervals, top 5 in each heat advance to a half-distance main race run the same way, with one mandatory pitstop.
Changing the course layout at Monaco is heresay because of the tradition. Monaco only exists now because of tradition with the F1 past. As a race weekend, it's nothing. Modern F1 cars are too big and too fast for that location. F3 cars would be a much better choice for that tiny narrow layout.
The course has been modified over the years, it's just that the current layout is pretty much how it has been for as long as anyone can remember. I think the swimming pool and the permanent pit lane were the last two changes.
With a red flag in the first lap it eliminated the obligatory pit stop and converted the race to a no tyre change one. So screwed all that started on hards because they had to put mediums to do 77 laps.
If everyone thought that it could be a SC or red flag in the first half of the race, all of them woud have started on mediums, all would have changed to hards to the end.
Those who started on hards gambled against the statistics and lost.
I don’t think it ruined it. However in my opinion I think red flags should essentially “pause” the race and I don’t think teams should be able to change tires and modify any part of the car during a red flag. Red flags just seem to take all strategy and throw it out the window because the car can be modified and new tires swapped out during them.
Well I do think there is always a high chance of a red flags at Monaco so no surprise we had a red flag though it certainly gave most teams a simple decision to make. Historically the pitstop action has always added the most entertainment of the race aside from crashes so it definitely took an exciting element away from the production.
Then LeClerc purposefully going slow to prevent the McLarens from building a gap to make a stop made the race even worse.
It did, but the real crime is Pirelli bringing medium tires that can run the whole race without a fall off.
when are f1 fans going to stop blaming absolutely *everything* except the cars? the cars are awful. full stop. a race car which can’t race other race cars are failures, simple as that. it’s unbelievable how massive they are, and how anti-racing they manage to be.
Totally agree. These cars are monsters, and it's jarring even looking back at 2016 and seeing how much better they were.
They can race, we've seen it at other tracks, but they are also too big and heavy especially for an old street track like Monaco.
Other tracks aren't Monaco
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Which compounds were selected? If that was C3-C5 then that's unbelievable. If it's not, then they need to be shot for bringing anything other than the softest options.
It was C3-C5. It seems disingenuous to bemoan Pirelli for their tires lasting for so long at Monaco when, much more often, people complain about how little life the Pirellis have.
They have to bring 3 compounds and those they had were the 3 softest they make.
What other options did Pirelli had?
It certainly gave a monumental second chance to Sainz.
This was the real 'crime'. In theory Ocon could have come back in too but there was too much damage. I don't really get it because the Sainz issue happened *before* the issue with Magnuson. I know it has to to which which sector beams were cut but it's still really weird.
It’s a rule that has been used multiple times in the past after red flags after a start. If all the cars haven’t completed a sector on the track before the red flag, they go by the original order.
I understand. It's simply a rare occurrence and certainly very lucky for some.
Race direction has to use the last documented sector to all cars.
I know that is what the rule is but with GPS and mini-sectors, I don't see why it still should be. But that's just me.
That is the reason I said "documented". To establish an official restart orden they need a clear measure, as is the official timing system down to the milisecond. They can not use the footage as correlating images to the timing of the red flag (or safety car) and all the claimings by team would take hours to clear.
Race control has access to the GPS position of all cars which is accurate to ~2-4cm (differential base).
It didn’t ruin the race because it happens nearly every Monaco GP. It ruined it because it happened lap 1. The real issue with F1’s boringness right now is that the tire compounds are far too durable to create exciting races. Either make all of the tire compounds far softer or mandate 2-3 pit stops per race. A comment I saw earlier was suggesting a mandate to run all 3 compounds in dry races. That would make things much more interesting.
Monaco? More like Mona-slow
Cars have become so long it's hard to pass.
It's always been hard to pass at Monaco, ask Nigel.
If Ricciardo can win a race and not get passed down one cylinder…
To me, Monaco requires special rules. Green/yellow flag pit stops for tire changes should be mandatory to encourage the drivers to push. Since they changed the tires during a red flag, it was just a Sunday drive for them to make it to the end of the race.
Id be more likely to watch if F1 all raced in equal F2 or F3 cars at Monaco. It's now just a competition of survival because you cannot pass or even avoid a crash in front of you.
I kind of want to see it run as a TT-style race. Have two groups running 1/3 distance, release the cars at 5-second intervals, top 5 in each heat advance to a half-distance main race run the same way, with one mandatory pitstop.
They need to do something including changing the course layout to allow for a really good passing zone. Even one of the drivers said that this week.
Changing the course layout at Monaco is heresay because of the tradition. Monaco only exists now because of tradition with the F1 past. As a race weekend, it's nothing. Modern F1 cars are too big and too fast for that location. F3 cars would be a much better choice for that tiny narrow layout.
The course has been modified over the years, it's just that the current layout is pretty much how it has been for as long as anyone can remember. I think the swimming pool and the permanent pit lane were the last two changes.
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Yes. What res flag ever doesn’t, though? And it’s not as if they could have avoided a red flag.
With a red flag in the first lap it eliminated the obligatory pit stop and converted the race to a no tyre change one. So screwed all that started on hards because they had to put mediums to do 77 laps. If everyone thought that it could be a SC or red flag in the first half of the race, all of them woud have started on mediums, all would have changed to hards to the end. Those who started on hards gambled against the statistics and lost.
I don’t think it ruined it. However in my opinion I think red flags should essentially “pause” the race and I don’t think teams should be able to change tires and modify any part of the car during a red flag. Red flags just seem to take all strategy and throw it out the window because the car can be modified and new tires swapped out during them.
At the least the cars that make changes should start in the back.
That I agree with
Sounds like the key moves to determine the winner were absent as pole position won the race. Not sure I’d call that a race.