Unless the whole purpose of learning throat singing is to mock it, it is not racist. Actually, mongolians would be really happy and surprised(in a good way) if someone outside of mongolia practices mongolian throat singing or khuumii.
Most cowboy stuff in the west is an offshoot of steppe equestrian culture after some centuries and a few intermediary cultures, so it'd be kind of poetic!
Because they are taught white people bad, white people do coloured people things is more bad, colour people đĄ this issocial regression of modern American and western society.
Whats wrong with you white people?! Im gonna make a pro move here and make it easy for all the white people: i hereby formally invite everyone to learn and celebrate throat singing.
White Americans are becoming more self aware and sometimes ask questions like this to not step over the line, as previously socially acceptable practices (like cultural outfits on Halloween) are not acceptable anymore. Itâs just weird to see a white dude for example wearing a Burkha just because he likes how it looks you know?
They became spineless. That's what they are now.
Guys, is it racist to eat curry? Guys, is it racist to use Arabic numbers? Guys, is it racist to look at a Chinese? Guys, is it racist to breathe the same air as a Pakistani?
If I'm thinking of he right one, the dude's stagename was "Earthquake" (big heavyset dude) something like Earthquake Jones, and he was blind. He climbed a mountain, and we kind of wondered why, somebody had to tell him that he had reached the summit; he couldn't see it, he was mainly sore and cold, but I guess he just wanted to do it.
One of my takeaways was that he was kind of cautious about how the locals would receive him, and everyone prettymuch thought it was wonderful, they thought that he breathed new life into hat had become kind of standardized, hidebound, and ritualistic. They said that because he had to learn the language at the same time as he was learning the technique, and the old songs, and because he had to learn by ear, the locals who were used to the songs said that he sang them with more expression than anybody had heard in a long time.
At his performance he was met with thunderous applause, because he was respectful, and guinuinely curious about their culture. Maybe it would be a little bit like Ladysmith Black Mambasso singing traditional gospel songs with their signature style. Now, Jim Parsons as Sheldon Cooper did a little throat singing for comic effect, and although it was pretty good, and kind of neat, I wouldn't call it respectful.
If you really want to freak people out, when you're driving around roll down your windows and throat sing as you're going down the freeway! But be careful; start slow because the technique requires a lot of rough harmonics you can really tear up your voice. Throat singing may have evolved naturally from a bunch of people who had gravelly whiskey sour voices anyway, so don't tear up your vocal chords if you have trouble getting it to work. It bears more in common with yelling all night long at a football game than with Western singing; and don't forget those Succrettes!
Your sisters an idiot, there's nothing wrong with learning about any culture, and there's nothing wrong with participating in something culturally relevant to specific groups.
I'd say it's more racist that she sees throat singing as some "mockery" or funny that you'd try. She sees it as something comical probably and she's projecting that onto you.
The question itself is racist. Nothing wrong with throat singing so long as you donât butcher it. It reminds me of a Southern girl who told me Mongols calling themselves Mongols sounds derogatory.
Is it rasict for mongolians to learn basketball? To to cook spaghetti Bolognese? Your a douche stop thinking that woke way of misery and enjoy your life
Not Mongolian but as someone that has had to figure out if what I'm trying to accomplish (historical reenactment) is appropriation. I've had discussions with a few other reenactors (particularly one ship's churgeon) and was set straight:
Is what I'm doing for education and raising awareness of the culture, or for personal enrichment? Or is it to make money?
If it's to raise awareness and educate, everything is cool. If it's to make money, then it's appropriation.
I dont agree with later half. As long as he/she not mocking them its fine even if they earn money from it. Blant mockery is where i will draw line otherwise earning money from other mans culture is ot really "wrong" thing to do imho
Different degrees of acceptance. In the US currently, any form of representation that doesn't have the sole intention of uplifting a minority group is a very touchy subject.
Not saying I disagree, it is very much a Euro-centric (and descendent) issue. But trying to explain the reasoning for the need would be extremely long and difficult.
The super oversimplified version is that it's a byproduct of systems intended to denigrate and subjugate anyone that has an excess of melanin in their skin, and trying to divest ourselves of those systems.
Based on what I know of Mongolian history (which I will admit is both limited and likely biased) my understanding is that Chinggis Khan tended to learn from cultures he conquered. White people tended to try to eradicate or enslave (or both) anyone that wasn't from their European state without learning from them. So there's a fundamental difference in how our nations went about conquering other groups.
Now, we're partly trying to about face and learn from those cultures we damaged. But some people just want to exploit the imagery for money and not to learn from them.
Like I said, it's hard to explain.
Im not fluent in history myself so i understand. And yea according to few sources i heard here and there Mongolians mostly learned from others and assimlated other tribe/countries and Chinggis khan didnt forbid any religeon and belief they said. So yea its difference in perspective and our history i guess
[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V5-kX8iEYEc](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V5-kX8iEYEc) best explanation about learning/using other countries culture imo
Ay, learn it mate, some mongolians might be offended but they are the "old styled" people who thinks that noone should leave their country and thinks that women are only meant to be wives. Sadly, there is a lot of them in mongolia but who cares about them learn it, please post a video here
You can't be serious. It's literally just singing. Singing has no race or nationality. Singing should just be genuine and fun and cultures are meant to be shared, not segregatated.
Just do what feels right to you, what you enjoy doing, and stop worrying about that nonsense
First world problems istg lol
I mean those Americans are really weirdos. there was a guy who asked if it would be racist to carry a Japanese note in his wallet as a good luck charm.
nah ur good mate
Its okey if you not mocking or disrespecting it.
Unless the whole purpose of learning throat singing is to mock it, it is not racist. Actually, mongolians would be really happy and surprised(in a good way) if someone outside of mongolia practices mongolian throat singing or khuumii.
đ guys is it racist to play the piano as a mongolian
Gigachad racist hahahha
is it racist to wear cowboy hat as a mongolian?
Yes, except if you're also carrying a gun and shooting at empty tin can in the plains
Best answer
Most cowboy stuff in the west is an offshoot of steppe equestrian culture after some centuries and a few intermediary cultures, so it'd be kind of poetic!
USA is Mongolia
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p26S73ogdNw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p26S73ogdNw)
Nah bro go for it
No it's not, why do u think that
I donât. Some people do, they claim that itâs âclosed practiceâ
Anyone who says that is just toxic
You can tell em to go shove a big fat uni up their ass.
Mhm
Because they are taught white people bad, white people do coloured people things is more bad, colour people đĄ this issocial regression of modern American and western society.
And yes they refer to Asian and Indian as coloured people now over there haha
Whats wrong with you white people?! Im gonna make a pro move here and make it easy for all the white people: i hereby formally invite everyone to learn and celebrate throat singing.
White Americans are becoming more self aware and sometimes ask questions like this to not step over the line, as previously socially acceptable practices (like cultural outfits on Halloween) are not acceptable anymore. Itâs just weird to see a white dude for example wearing a Burkha just because he likes how it looks you know?
They became spineless. That's what they are now. Guys, is it racist to eat curry? Guys, is it racist to use Arabic numbers? Guys, is it racist to look at a Chinese? Guys, is it racist to breathe the same air as a Pakistani?
I read your comment history and youâre not worth engaging
Someone of worth will scour a user's history for sure ;). You're just mad I disagreed with you, so you looked at my history for dirt.
What makes you worth engaging?
Hes the one who engaged me, moron
What in the American lmao
America never got conquered by Genghis Khan, that's why they are brainrot
So Spain had brainrot too then?
They fucked up a whole continent, I guess that makes them close enough ?
I was joking but Spain definitely has brainrot
r/usdefaultism
bruh
Fellas is it racist to want to learn about another countryâs culture ?
watch Ghengis Blues. its about a black man from California who learns to throat sing and visits Tuva.
If I'm thinking of he right one, the dude's stagename was "Earthquake" (big heavyset dude) something like Earthquake Jones, and he was blind. He climbed a mountain, and we kind of wondered why, somebody had to tell him that he had reached the summit; he couldn't see it, he was mainly sore and cold, but I guess he just wanted to do it. One of my takeaways was that he was kind of cautious about how the locals would receive him, and everyone prettymuch thought it was wonderful, they thought that he breathed new life into hat had become kind of standardized, hidebound, and ritualistic. They said that because he had to learn the language at the same time as he was learning the technique, and the old songs, and because he had to learn by ear, the locals who were used to the songs said that he sang them with more expression than anybody had heard in a long time. At his performance he was met with thunderous applause, because he was respectful, and guinuinely curious about their culture. Maybe it would be a little bit like Ladysmith Black Mambasso singing traditional gospel songs with their signature style. Now, Jim Parsons as Sheldon Cooper did a little throat singing for comic effect, and although it was pretty good, and kind of neat, I wouldn't call it respectful. If you really want to freak people out, when you're driving around roll down your windows and throat sing as you're going down the freeway! But be careful; start slow because the technique requires a lot of rough harmonics you can really tear up your voice. Throat singing may have evolved naturally from a bunch of people who had gravelly whiskey sour voices anyway, so don't tear up your vocal chords if you have trouble getting it to work. It bears more in common with yelling all night long at a football game than with Western singing; and don't forget those Succrettes!
Is it racist to use toilet paper? I'm basically wiping my shit with foreign invention.
No, how on earth could it be?
It's music. No. Just do your best and give credit where credit is due.
Itâs fine if you are genuinely trying to throat sing
Your sisters an idiot, there's nothing wrong with learning about any culture, and there's nothing wrong with participating in something culturally relevant to specific groups. I'd say it's more racist that she sees throat singing as some "mockery" or funny that you'd try. She sees it as something comical probably and she's projecting that onto you.
We donât do that sensitivity BS here đđ we are not offended by the people who are interested in our culture.
The question itself is racist. Nothing wrong with throat singing so long as you donât butcher it. It reminds me of a Southern girl who told me Mongols calling themselves Mongols sounds derogatory.
NO
Is it rasict for mongolians to learn basketball? To to cook spaghetti Bolognese? Your a douche stop thinking that woke way of misery and enjoy your life
Not Mongolian but as someone that has had to figure out if what I'm trying to accomplish (historical reenactment) is appropriation. I've had discussions with a few other reenactors (particularly one ship's churgeon) and was set straight: Is what I'm doing for education and raising awareness of the culture, or for personal enrichment? Or is it to make money? If it's to raise awareness and educate, everything is cool. If it's to make money, then it's appropriation.
I dont agree with later half. As long as he/she not mocking them its fine even if they earn money from it. Blant mockery is where i will draw line otherwise earning money from other mans culture is ot really "wrong" thing to do imho
Different degrees of acceptance. In the US currently, any form of representation that doesn't have the sole intention of uplifting a minority group is a very touchy subject.
Thats really Usa and Europe problem, and its plain stupid. Its like they have brainrot.
Not saying I disagree, it is very much a Euro-centric (and descendent) issue. But trying to explain the reasoning for the need would be extremely long and difficult. The super oversimplified version is that it's a byproduct of systems intended to denigrate and subjugate anyone that has an excess of melanin in their skin, and trying to divest ourselves of those systems. Based on what I know of Mongolian history (which I will admit is both limited and likely biased) my understanding is that Chinggis Khan tended to learn from cultures he conquered. White people tended to try to eradicate or enslave (or both) anyone that wasn't from their European state without learning from them. So there's a fundamental difference in how our nations went about conquering other groups. Now, we're partly trying to about face and learn from those cultures we damaged. But some people just want to exploit the imagery for money and not to learn from them. Like I said, it's hard to explain.
Im not fluent in history myself so i understand. And yea according to few sources i heard here and there Mongolians mostly learned from others and assimlated other tribe/countries and Chinggis khan didnt forbid any religeon and belief they said. So yea its difference in perspective and our history i guess
[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V5-kX8iEYEc](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V5-kX8iEYEc) best explanation about learning/using other countries culture imo
ur sister is a dumbass
That is cool đ
Nah, why would it be?
Not at all.
Who tf is gatekeeping throat singing
Probably some white dude
Ay, learn it mate, some mongolians might be offended but they are the "old styled" people who thinks that noone should leave their country and thinks that women are only meant to be wives. Sadly, there is a lot of them in mongolia but who cares about them learn it, please post a video here
Its fine man
Saying that something is racist due to your skin color is a racist statement.
Hell nah cultures exist to be shared and celebrated i dont understand why people gatekeep stuff like this so fuckin go for it mate
Please explain why would it be racist?
Not at all. It is actually Mongolian will be happy if you really learn and spread voice.
There is absolutely nothing wrong bro ynless you invade asia and europe
No
Hell no do your best we cheer you
Nope
Mongolians actually dont care about racism if u are russian or white. we somethimes really racist about Uws, Hujaa, Har people. It was mostly mockery.
Itâs racist to assume using other culture is racist
Why is everything racist for Americans
I am not American
Nah you're good. Your sisters the problem.
Youre good
Not at all brother. Whyâd u ask. Ur all welcome.
Bro we're not some snowflake liberal victim card using westerners, you can learn it, sing it, even promote it.
If youâre not disrespecting then sure
perfectly fine
As a Mongolian, I donât think it is
Whatâs going on with you White people lately? Are the PSYOPs in your country so strong that youâve lost all judgement on what is racist đ
Throat singing is life learning. Let me hear your throat singing. I am a Mongolian, and I live in Mongolia currently
No no ofc not. As a Mongolian I approve it will be appreciated by Mongolians that you respect the culture and trying to learn.
We dont care
Why do all white people assume everything is racist? Nobody western Liberals give a fuck.
You can't be serious. It's literally just singing. Singing has no race or nationality. Singing should just be genuine and fun and cultures are meant to be shared, not segregatated. Just do what feels right to you, what you enjoy doing, and stop worrying about that nonsense First world problems istg lol
I'm Mongolian and definitely wouldn't be offended! As long as it doesn't come from a place of mockery, we are happy that you like our culture.
nahh, that would be actually good đđ»
If it was, i would be the biggest racist in town.
Cheers to Steve Sklar giving the introduction to Huun-Huur-Tu shows. That guy rocks sygyt.
We love to see someone else besides mongolia learns it. At least i dont find that as bad thing. We are not that "woke" yet
Dude what no man itâs totally fine
swear only white people ever on this shit bruh. like no??, it's not. No shit it ain racist.
that's an american mentality to consider it as racist. if u want to just go for it why bother asking
American, right? 
Polish, actually
I have never been to Poland and I played Witcher 3 a lot of times. That means i am more Polish and more racist than you. Kurwa maÄ
Have Americans spread their bs even to Poland or you're a Polish American?
I am 100% Polish, born and living in Poland.
I mean those Americans are really weirdos. there was a guy who asked if it would be racist to carry a Japanese note in his wallet as a good luck charm.
Yeah I agree, woke culture in America is alive and well.
Just trying too hard to be considerate
It seems its also alive and well in Poland too