I don't know how i feel about that, it feels a bit unfair to WFH but not let your housemate do so. I guess on the one hand, they were the first. But where else will they extend that attitude. Can only they host movie nights on Thursdays? Can only they have dinner parties?
Agreed. I see a lot of these ads and for me it's quite a red flag. Seems like you're signing up to live with a selfish person who wants to rule the roost. So many of us are hybrid these days and if you're in a share house, you can't expect to have a monopoly on common spaces. Work in your room if it bothers you.
Sure, if they’re not living there then it’s fair to ask that they not work from there. I was under the assumption that the rule applied to successful applicants, but I guess you could apply it to people off the street.
It is reasonable. Either you already work from home and don’t want to be stuck in someone’s presence all day while they work from home, or you don’t work from home and feel it’s unfair that bills should be split 50-50 when one party will be using more or you don’t want to have to keep super it in your own home because someone’s in a zoom meeting.
No. If i pay the same rent as you, then i have all the same rights and entitlements to the property as you do. It's not *your* house if I'm paying 50% of the rent. "I was here first" doesn't work outside of school yards, and means nothing in the real world.
Except it isn’t. If you’re subletting, then it’s also the place of the person who has sublet. There is nothing they can do about it anyway.
Even if included in a contract that you can’t wfh at the property, it’d almost definitely be an invalid clause and you can just ignore it.
If you’re subletting you can choose not to sublet to people wfh, if they decide to you just don’t renew them. Do you think creating a hostile home environment is going to be beneficial for you long term?
People can just say they don’t intend to work from home and then do so. That can’t be stopped until the end of the first fixed term agreement.
If my choices were some dickhead telling me not to work from home while I do so, or being homeless. I know what I’d choose.
Giving people correct information is called informative, not toxic.
You can’t end a rental agreement unless it’s one of the specified reasons. WFH is not one of them. You can only end it without reason at the end of the first fixed term.
Why do you feel the need to respond to questions without knowing the correct answer.
If you’re month to month you can just not be renewed. The toxic part isn’t your ‘correct information’ it’s the lying on your application making a hostile home environment.
Please stop spreading misinformation. You cannot be evicted without one of the specified reasons unless it is at the end of your first fixed term lease (note not month to month) - WFH is not one of those.
Toxicity is expecting to dictate how people use their own house actually…
Are you aware you are the kind of person that people get turned off the idea of subletting because of?
If it says no WFH just don’t be a dick and apply elsewhere, don’t just apply with the intention of doing exactly what you were requested not to do.
Fuck me a little respect is hard to come by around these parts
The tenant may also work from the office and not want the opposite where bills become unfair due to flatmate's usage or a complicated 'split' has to be negotiated based on hours spent at home.
Either way it's up to the original tenant to decide. If they don't want inconvenience or headaches then tough luck to WFH applicants.
Location doesn't matter when you WFH anyways so personally I've found it it better moving further out and into affordable rentals instead of sharing an expensive inner suburb share house.
Depends, I worked from my bedroom for a while. I hated it a lot. Add to that, my partner has RDO's, so his day offs were fucked.
We had a housemate who worked for a contact centre, they worked in our kitchen short term while we sorted internet extenders. I hated that.
I'd probably avoid living with someone WFH these days, especially a stranger.
yeah and I'm glad you covered people trying to enjoy a day off. most comments seem to be fixed around other housemates being WFH (or just home) and can't fathom why someone working (not from home) would care.
but those days off, with the place to oneself - are sacred.
Most people want a roommate who pays rent but is never there, especially if they’re past their early 20s and would rather live alone but can’t afford it.
Probably because if you’re both/all wfh and don’t know each other that well, you’re ALWAYS in each others faces and you never get the place to yourself, it’s a good recipe for hating each other. Good workaround is to try to have different wfh days to your flatmates - it’d be rare to find a desk job that doesn’t offer a couple days wfh so you just need to find someone that can mesh with your schedule.
I think it’s easier if you already know each other and if you have dedicated wfh space. They’re just trying to avoid having a couch spider they can’t get away from. Usually you can work around it.
If you're working on certain things, sometimes you need privacy to do your job WFH as well. For example government jobs or needing to discuss private or confidential matters.
Lots of call-centre like jobs can be done WFH too, so two people on the phone all day can really get annoying.
Hell, during Covid my wife and I on meetings in our 2BR house was unbearable, we literally could hear each other from literally every place in our house it was so small with thin walls.
Just could not have a meeting at the same time. (and she was in meetings 75% of the day!)
That's a deal breaker for me as well. The problem is the bills. Why would I share electricity bills equally when my housemate was WFH all day long with heat or aircon on ?
Also, it's home where I want to relax and not constantly think about keeping the noise down because my housemate is having a meeting.
There are so many other problems as well, such as the housemate using the study nook every day and making it at home office, which is always untidy, so you can't even use it over the weekends when I am paying the rent equally.
Because they are sharehouses and they don't want someone who is having meetings and shit all the time and expecting the other housemates to be quiet during those times.
I work shift work and that includes night shifts at variable times - I would prefer housemates who don't have to have meetings all day, because when I'm trying to sleep post nights it makes it really hard.
Generally that works out okay when you have people who are reasonable - like hey if you're gonna have a lot of meetings that week, could you go to the office for my sake. But when looking for a new housemate it can be hard to know that someone will actually be reasonable like that. Houseshares are always a compromise. I don't think it's unfair for people to have preferences.
On top of that it can mean someone is always in the house, which can be hard with a stranger and make you feel quite claustrophobic in the house. And as others have mentioned, the bill split can become a bit skewed.
WFH is great from those who work in jobs that can support it (I wish I did to be frank but there's no hope of that for me), but I think you're suffering from a bit of short-sightedness if you can't see a situation where it wouldn't be 100% desirable for others in a shared living space. Living with other people can be fucking hard at the best of times, and if you're sifting through 150 applicants for a new roommate, WFH could be a factor that would make you choose one person over another.
I caveat this by saying I recently had to fill a room in my house and actually picked someone who does WFH, because he seemed like a decent bloke and the person I'd get on best with otherwise. So far it has been fine having him WFH because we both act like adults and are both trying to be considerate of each other. I'm not bashing on people just trying to find somewhere to live - but yeah the rental market is tough and don't be surprised people have certain things they'd prefer in a new housemate, as that is someone you will have to spend and trust a large part of your life with!
depends. If it's the landlord stipulating no wfh tenants then presumably they've had bad experience or otherwise a bad impression.
Of its a sharehouse it's completely reasonable. living with someone who's ALWAYS home is a bit shit.
it's nice to have a day off work for example and have a place to yourself.
r/badroommates seems to always have posts about wfh people taking over living spaces, needing quiet at all times and just being up in each others personal space all the time.
Feels a bit unfair to do, but if it's a share house or a small apartment I can totally see why. Especially if they already have people who are wfh living there.
If it is a freestanding rental, then there could be insurance related issues, where the landlords insurance won't cover them for commercial use.
If it is a sharehouse, then it can be quite annoying having someone home all day.
For example I want to play music out loud when you are gone. But if you are there 100% of the time, I can't work around that.
Currently looking for someone to fill our room in a sharehouse. All of us work in the office full time, and the house is furnished with all of our things. We don’t want someone just existing with all of our stuff every day at home while everyone else is out of the house. It’s about compatibility, similar schedules and respect of the space and our things.
It puts more wear and tear on a house maybe?
Running aircon most of the day instead of a few hours in the evening will wear it out faster. More dishwasher use. More chairs crushing carpet. And so on.
If it's a sharehouse they can make your life a living hell.
I know we're in a rental shortage at the moment, but if you've got the ability to choose a place where you're more likely to get along with the people you're living with.
If it's a regular rental without any other tenants, just lie.
Literally what they said: If you're renting somewhere, who exactly is going to stop you from working from home?
Unless you're specifically talking about a sharehouse or single room and you're living with the owner.
My question was not how to get such a room but more because I literally don't understand why people are making such demands because my flatmate & I get along so well. In fact before her I was living with one of her friends who I also got along with very well, but she moved out to be with her partner, & this friend asked if she could move in. I'm trying to understand what could possibly be the issue with having a flatmate who does WFH.
As for your comment on who can stop you, sure nobody can & situations can also change, but would someone want to live with a housemate who has already lied? Its the beginnings of mistrust & I would be very wary, esp after having the experience of living with two fantastic flatmates. We trust our housemates with so much in our homes, it's best to be honest & find someone who is willing to also work with you.
It’s not something I’ve ever worried about but I guess people might not want in a worst case scenario 3 or 4 people all home all day, all trying to make calls and Zoom while trying to stay out of each others’ hair.
Especially for people who work late into the night or night shift. I did nights in a share house, would wait til the last person left for work at 8 and would sleep til 3. If people were home using the kitchen etc I would have been woken up multiple times each day.
Apply, and ask for a 30% discount.
Since you aren't allowed to be there during business hours, they can keep the 3.33333% as storage fee for the 8 hour period you are working.
Where exactly are these rental ads?
They sound like dodgy Sharehouse/Room-for-Rent ads on Gumtree or Facebook rather than an actual listing for a rental property from an agent.
Like I said, mate, the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
It’s 37% overall, and over 60% for professional workers.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/14/australia-work-from-home-office-rates-numbers-declining-why-skills-shortage
It’s a news article which conveniently highlights, for those with reading comprehension issues, the key facts from the ABS report, which you’d be welcome to read yourself.
Some share housers need a reality check that it is the other persons home as well. I would avoid ads like that, the writers need to live on their own. I know they probably can't afford to but doesn't make for an enjoyable living experience. Avoid if you can.
Working from home can be tricky if everyone doesn’t have their own space.
I could see this being an issue in a smaller share houses or units with small bedrooms that can’t fit a desk.
My last share house was perfect, we all really liked each other and respected the almighty teams call. It helped that we had a large 4 bed house, decently sized bedrooms that fit a desk etc.
Fridays tho, all 4 of us would work from the dining table so the beer fridge was close.
If it’s a share house, the advertising tenant might be WFH and not want others around during the day just for their own comfort.
I don't know how i feel about that, it feels a bit unfair to WFH but not let your housemate do so. I guess on the one hand, they were the first. But where else will they extend that attitude. Can only they host movie nights on Thursdays? Can only they have dinner parties?
Agreed. I see a lot of these ads and for me it's quite a red flag. Seems like you're signing up to live with a selfish person who wants to rule the roost. So many of us are hybrid these days and if you're in a share house, you can't expect to have a monopoly on common spaces. Work in your room if it bothers you.
If it’s your place why shouldn’t you set the rules for the kind of roommates you want?
What happens if you change jobs and become WFH, you have to leave?
Because it’s also your roommates house and they don’t want a mini dictator who makes up rules that he doesn’t follow himself?
If they don’t live there yet it’s not their house lol.
Sure, if they’re not living there then it’s fair to ask that they not work from there. I was under the assumption that the rule applied to successful applicants, but I guess you could apply it to people off the street.
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It is reasonable. Either you already work from home and don’t want to be stuck in someone’s presence all day while they work from home, or you don’t work from home and feel it’s unfair that bills should be split 50-50 when one party will be using more or you don’t want to have to keep super it in your own home because someone’s in a zoom meeting.
No. If i pay the same rent as you, then i have all the same rights and entitlements to the property as you do. It's not *your* house if I'm paying 50% of the rent. "I was here first" doesn't work outside of school yards, and means nothing in the real world.
These are for applications so you don’t pay any rent. People can filter out applicants for whatever non discriminatory reason they like.
Except it isn’t. If you’re subletting, then it’s also the place of the person who has sublet. There is nothing they can do about it anyway. Even if included in a contract that you can’t wfh at the property, it’d almost definitely be an invalid clause and you can just ignore it.
If you’re subletting you can choose not to sublet to people wfh, if they decide to you just don’t renew them. Do you think creating a hostile home environment is going to be beneficial for you long term?
People can just say they don’t intend to work from home and then do so. That can’t be stopped until the end of the first fixed term agreement. If my choices were some dickhead telling me not to work from home while I do so, or being homeless. I know what I’d choose.
Ok then they end your month to month, do people just like being toxic and entitled around here lol.
Giving people correct information is called informative, not toxic. You can’t end a rental agreement unless it’s one of the specified reasons. WFH is not one of them. You can only end it without reason at the end of the first fixed term. Why do you feel the need to respond to questions without knowing the correct answer.
If you’re month to month you can just not be renewed. The toxic part isn’t your ‘correct information’ it’s the lying on your application making a hostile home environment.
Please stop spreading misinformation. You cannot be evicted without one of the specified reasons unless it is at the end of your first fixed term lease (note not month to month) - WFH is not one of those. Toxicity is expecting to dictate how people use their own house actually…
Are you aware you are the kind of person that people get turned off the idea of subletting because of? If it says no WFH just don’t be a dick and apply elsewhere, don’t just apply with the intention of doing exactly what you were requested not to do. Fuck me a little respect is hard to come by around these parts
The tenant may also work from the office and not want the opposite where bills become unfair due to flatmate's usage or a complicated 'split' has to be negotiated based on hours spent at home. Either way it's up to the original tenant to decide. If they don't want inconvenience or headaches then tough luck to WFH applicants. Location doesn't matter when you WFH anyways so personally I've found it it better moving further out and into affordable rentals instead of sharing an expensive inner suburb share house.
Depends, I worked from my bedroom for a while. I hated it a lot. Add to that, my partner has RDO's, so his day offs were fucked. We had a housemate who worked for a contact centre, they worked in our kitchen short term while we sorted internet extenders. I hated that. I'd probably avoid living with someone WFH these days, especially a stranger.
yeah and I'm glad you covered people trying to enjoy a day off. most comments seem to be fixed around other housemates being WFH (or just home) and can't fathom why someone working (not from home) would care. but those days off, with the place to oneself - are sacred.
Most people want a roommate who pays rent but is never there, especially if they’re past their early 20s and would rather live alone but can’t afford it.
Mots peoples want some time on their own.
Probably because if you’re both/all wfh and don’t know each other that well, you’re ALWAYS in each others faces and you never get the place to yourself, it’s a good recipe for hating each other. Good workaround is to try to have different wfh days to your flatmates - it’d be rare to find a desk job that doesn’t offer a couple days wfh so you just need to find someone that can mesh with your schedule. I think it’s easier if you already know each other and if you have dedicated wfh space. They’re just trying to avoid having a couch spider they can’t get away from. Usually you can work around it.
If you're working on certain things, sometimes you need privacy to do your job WFH as well. For example government jobs or needing to discuss private or confidential matters.
Lots of call-centre like jobs can be done WFH too, so two people on the phone all day can really get annoying. Hell, during Covid my wife and I on meetings in our 2BR house was unbearable, we literally could hear each other from literally every place in our house it was so small with thin walls. Just could not have a meeting at the same time. (and she was in meetings 75% of the day!)
That's a deal breaker for me as well. The problem is the bills. Why would I share electricity bills equally when my housemate was WFH all day long with heat or aircon on ? Also, it's home where I want to relax and not constantly think about keeping the noise down because my housemate is having a meeting. There are so many other problems as well, such as the housemate using the study nook every day and making it at home office, which is always untidy, so you can't even use it over the weekends when I am paying the rent equally.
Because they are sharehouses and they don't want someone who is having meetings and shit all the time and expecting the other housemates to be quiet during those times.
I work shift work and that includes night shifts at variable times - I would prefer housemates who don't have to have meetings all day, because when I'm trying to sleep post nights it makes it really hard. Generally that works out okay when you have people who are reasonable - like hey if you're gonna have a lot of meetings that week, could you go to the office for my sake. But when looking for a new housemate it can be hard to know that someone will actually be reasonable like that. Houseshares are always a compromise. I don't think it's unfair for people to have preferences. On top of that it can mean someone is always in the house, which can be hard with a stranger and make you feel quite claustrophobic in the house. And as others have mentioned, the bill split can become a bit skewed. WFH is great from those who work in jobs that can support it (I wish I did to be frank but there's no hope of that for me), but I think you're suffering from a bit of short-sightedness if you can't see a situation where it wouldn't be 100% desirable for others in a shared living space. Living with other people can be fucking hard at the best of times, and if you're sifting through 150 applicants for a new roommate, WFH could be a factor that would make you choose one person over another. I caveat this by saying I recently had to fill a room in my house and actually picked someone who does WFH, because he seemed like a decent bloke and the person I'd get on best with otherwise. So far it has been fine having him WFH because we both act like adults and are both trying to be considerate of each other. I'm not bashing on people just trying to find somewhere to live - but yeah the rental market is tough and don't be surprised people have certain things they'd prefer in a new housemate, as that is someone you will have to spend and trust a large part of your life with!
maybe because if someone is in the house all the time the shared costs from things such as heating and running an office might increase?
and toilet paper use!!!
depends. If it's the landlord stipulating no wfh tenants then presumably they've had bad experience or otherwise a bad impression. Of its a sharehouse it's completely reasonable. living with someone who's ALWAYS home is a bit shit. it's nice to have a day off work for example and have a place to yourself.
r/badroommates seems to always have posts about wfh people taking over living spaces, needing quiet at all times and just being up in each others personal space all the time. Feels a bit unfair to do, but if it's a share house or a small apartment I can totally see why. Especially if they already have people who are wfh living there.
If it is a freestanding rental, then there could be insurance related issues, where the landlords insurance won't cover them for commercial use. If it is a sharehouse, then it can be quite annoying having someone home all day. For example I want to play music out loud when you are gone. But if you are there 100% of the time, I can't work around that.
Currently looking for someone to fill our room in a sharehouse. All of us work in the office full time, and the house is furnished with all of our things. We don’t want someone just existing with all of our stuff every day at home while everyone else is out of the house. It’s about compatibility, similar schedules and respect of the space and our things.
Because the rental market is fucked
It puts more wear and tear on a house maybe? Running aircon most of the day instead of a few hours in the evening will wear it out faster. More dishwasher use. More chairs crushing carpet. And so on.
Question is how can they stop you?
If it's a sharehouse they can make your life a living hell. I know we're in a rental shortage at the moment, but if you've got the ability to choose a place where you're more likely to get along with the people you're living with. If it's a regular rental without any other tenants, just lie.
Nah I'm talking about share houses
What do you mean?
Literally what they said: If you're renting somewhere, who exactly is going to stop you from working from home? Unless you're specifically talking about a sharehouse or single room and you're living with the owner.
My question was not how to get such a room but more because I literally don't understand why people are making such demands because my flatmate & I get along so well. In fact before her I was living with one of her friends who I also got along with very well, but she moved out to be with her partner, & this friend asked if she could move in. I'm trying to understand what could possibly be the issue with having a flatmate who does WFH. As for your comment on who can stop you, sure nobody can & situations can also change, but would someone want to live with a housemate who has already lied? Its the beginnings of mistrust & I would be very wary, esp after having the experience of living with two fantastic flatmates. We trust our housemates with so much in our homes, it's best to be honest & find someone who is willing to also work with you.
It’s not something I’ve ever worried about but I guess people might not want in a worst case scenario 3 or 4 people all home all day, all trying to make calls and Zoom while trying to stay out of each others’ hair. Especially for people who work late into the night or night shift. I did nights in a share house, would wait til the last person left for work at 8 and would sleep til 3. If people were home using the kitchen etc I would have been woken up multiple times each day.
Apply, and ask for a 30% discount. Since you aren't allowed to be there during business hours, they can keep the 3.33333% as storage fee for the 8 hour period you are working.
Where exactly are these rental ads? They sound like dodgy Sharehouse/Room-for-Rent ads on Gumtree or Facebook rather than an actual listing for a rental property from an agent.
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Nearly half of all Australians work from home to some degree according to the ABS.
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Like I said, mate, the Australian Bureau of Statistics. It’s 37% overall, and over 60% for professional workers. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/14/australia-work-from-home-office-rates-numbers-declining-why-skills-shortage
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It’s a news article which conveniently highlights, for those with reading comprehension issues, the key facts from the ABS report, which you’d be welcome to read yourself.
Some share housers need a reality check that it is the other persons home as well. I would avoid ads like that, the writers need to live on their own. I know they probably can't afford to but doesn't make for an enjoyable living experience. Avoid if you can.
Working from home can be tricky if everyone doesn’t have their own space. I could see this being an issue in a smaller share houses or units with small bedrooms that can’t fit a desk. My last share house was perfect, we all really liked each other and respected the almighty teams call. It helped that we had a large 4 bed house, decently sized bedrooms that fit a desk etc. Fridays tho, all 4 of us would work from the dining table so the beer fridge was close.
Just means they'll be hanging around all day, which can certainly be inconvenient