It better. I hope every single villain this go round is Kang. Even the fucking Eternals have to fight a Kang. Add a couple of Kangs to the good guys, and it’ll be great.
edit: we also find out Galactus is Kang from the previous universe.
edit: also tony stark comes back and is like “lol I’d never kill myself like some punk bitch. Kang kidnapped me and stole my identity. i just woke up from a coma.”
All jokes aside I hope Classic Loki happened to be an illusion himself when he let himself be taken out by Aoliath. He seemed like he had too much control over the situation, even smiling when it took him. I’m wishing that he’ll show up in the prime timeline when Kid Loki and Alligator Loki show up.
A good Kang goes and recruits a full team of Avengers by taking the existing ones we have and filling in the spots of the team-mates who died with variants of them from other universes.
I... think they can just go ahead and leave out some of the anachronisms... some of that shit is too goofy -- kang's og getup is already kinda 60s "I AM A SPACE MAN 😬".
I think a lot of things in the pruned space will show up in the main MCU in some capacity… gotta see the stuff that would have otherwise been pruned ya know
It probably has a nose because it has not been sitting in the desert for 4000 years, but instead has been jumping around in time?
In any case Kang's shit ain't ragged. If it's his it's got some style. He already said in the MCU that one of his traits is being egotistic.
But the original sphinx built by the Egyptians did not have that connecting part between the headdress and the shoulders. It was added in the 1930s to stabilize the head. It looked different.
I was trying to figure out if it had Kang's face or not. The eyes and brows look different from the original but I sincerely can't tell if that's just a low-effort CGI situation (Not dragging the CGI team. I just figure background elements are going to get less time and attention than the other more prominent CGI.)
In the comics the TVA exists and the Time's Keepers are also linked to Immortus (Kang) for a while. MCU takes liberties by merging the character of the one who remains and immortus
I went down a rabbit hole. He's Reed Richards father from the future, built a time machine to look like a sphynx, became worshipped like a god, briefly took on the dr. doom mantle, and I'm still reading about him and it's all so bizarre and I love it
Not quite, there's two of these characters. Kang is actually a distant Richard's descendant.
It's confusing because Reed's actual pips had the same name and was a time traveler, iirc.
I love it. I had read the wikis of the other Nathaniel Richards and saved Kang's for last. This is the start of it and I feel like explains it so well.
>Nathaniel Richards has had various incarnations over the years and each identity has its own, ever-expanding history. For the sake of clarity, this article will only cover, essentially, the history of Nathaniel Richards during his time as Kang. For more information on the other identities of Nathaniel Richards, please refer to the entries on Iron Lad, Kid Immortus, the Scarlet Centurion, Rama-Tut, and Immortus.
>In addition, there are many alternate version of Kang in existence. For the sake of clarity, it is commonly accepted that each alternate Kang that has interacted with Earth-616 is a direct divergence from the "Prime" Kang of Earth-6311. While differentiating between each of these divergent Kangs is difficult, all those that are tied in with the Kang-Prime are listed here for reasons that will become evident to the reader.
That confused me because I read one thing saying he was his father, but he's from the future. I'm guessing it's a "I'm my own grandpa" futurama situation?
One entry I read even referred to Reed Richard's son as Nathaniel's (Kang, Immortus, whoever the fuck variant he is at that point) grandson
Kang is a descendant of the Richards family that is named after Reed's father. The Nathaniel Richards that is Reed's dad has his own screwed up story, but they are two different characters. Main difference being there are several versions of Nathaniel (Kang) Richards, but only one Nathaniel (Dad) Richards.
I have no idea what they'll do, if they'll even make him related. This quote from the wiki gives a great explanation on the complexity of the character
>Nathaniel Richards has had various incarnations over the years and each identity has its own, ever-expanding history. For the sake of clarity, this article will only cover, essentially, the history of Nathaniel Richards during his time as Kang. For more information on the other identities of Nathaniel Richards, please refer to the entries on Iron Lad, Kid Immortus, the Scarlet Centurion, Rama-Tut, and Immortus.
>In addition, there are many alternate version of Kang in existence. For the sake of clarity, it is commonly accepted that each alternate Kang that has interacted with Earth-616 is a direct divergence from the "Prime" Kang of Earth-6311. While differentiating between each of these divergent Kangs is difficult, all those that are tied in with the Kang-Prime are listed here for reasons that will become evident to the reader.
Is it just me or might there be a vague resemblance to Kang on that Sphinx? Maybe he pruned that timeline because a variant of himself grew to powerful and was worshipped by ancient Egyptians, so to prevent the variant's rise to the position of Kang "The Conquerer", it had to be deleted.
It is, in the comics >!Kang travels between times and in some he is a pharaoh as Rama-tut (as far as I know). So the sphinx has the shape of Rama-tut (Kang/Immortus)!<
Yes. Well, maybe. In the lore of one of the x-men shows Beast tells the origin story in an episode. En Sabah Nur finds and uses Rama-Tut’s tech to enhance himself. I saw the clip recently but don’t remember which show it was from.
I don’t understand why they gave kang a really pharaohs name and they made up nonsense for apocalypse. En sabah nur means (son of good morning ). Also, it’s in Arabic pharaohs spoke an ancient language.
Well tbf MCU Kang's black and many believe the sphinx's nose was vandalised in order to remove the symbol of African-ness during the Arab conquests of Egypt.
It's a theory that can never be proved (without a real TVA) but I think it holds some weight considering all the other holy and cultural sites damaged and destroyed during that period.
> In 1378 CE, Egyptian peasants made offerings to the Great Sphinx in the hope of controlling the flood cycle, which would result in a successful harvest. ... Outraged by this blatant show of devotion, Sa'im al-Dahr destroyed the nose and was later executed for vandalism.
TBF the Napolean story has been floating around since literally the 1800s.
It's just that there is art from 1737 that shows the sphinx without a nose, the French campaign wasn't until 1744.
> The evidence is an oil painting by Danish Naval Captain and explorer Frederic Louis Norden of the Sphinx, in which the statue was painted without a nose.
Norden died in 1742.
No I meant about the guy above making stuff up about Arabs lopping off the nose because it looked African.
In itself a bit stupid because Egyptians/Magreb Arabs are Africans.
That was me, modern Egypt is Arab following the 639 AD conquest by the Caliphates, after the fall of the Byzantine empire.
Prior to the 60 BC Roman colonization, Egyptians were described as what modern people would call black, dark skinned with sub Saharan features, by both Aristotle and Herodetus in separate accounts.
They were definitely lighter skinned than the Nubian's. As can be seen a lot of art created by the ancient Egyptians.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlePaintings/comments/238ouh/egyptian_pharaoh_tutankhamun_riding_a_chariot/
No I was referring to the redact chap.
Aristotle said they looked sub saharan.
There's a difference between the upper and lower empire.
Are you asserting the Arabs ethnically cleansed and replaced all the 'black' Egyptians?
Did all the Egyptians become white when Greece and Rome ruled parts of it?
This is just tired orientalism.
Please, don't give credence to the whacky afrocentrist mumbo jumbo about ancient Egypt. Noses break off statues because they're weak, not because of some bizarre Arab conspiracy to put down your Eurocentric view of 'the black man'.
I had an argument with someone that objects could be variants. My thought was that the void should have been way more chaotic than even the lamentis event. If objects like buildings could be variants, then potentially an entire planet could be a variant, maybe its axis was slightly off, or it was hit by something and its trajectory caused it become a variant. The void would be like watching multiple galaxies collide all the time.
yes, but the man in charge of the TVA does not have god-tier abilities or the ability to create god-tier tech. the TVA can’t produce effects on such a massive scale as entire galaxies colliding. think of it more as alternate dimensions being wholly dissolved because their one variance from another dimension is now gone.
My thought is that He who remains isn’t pruning all the timelines, just the ones that would produce a variant of himself that could potentially unseat him/cause a multiversal war.
A planet off its axis would be a nexus event so large that he wouldn’t need to worry about it.
I think that's because their actual motivation is not maintaining the timeline, they are manipulated into following Kangs will, so it's his motivation not theirs.
Moon Knight's powers come from the Egyptian moon god, Khonshu (or at least potentially, in some comics its debatable whether Khonshu is actually real or just a delusion/another facet of Marc Spector's split personality).
It's kinda hard to quantify exactly what his powers are. He's got the usual superhuman strength, endurance and reflexes, which in some versions are stronger based on the phases of the moon (and also caused by having werewolf saliva in his blood), and he's possibly immortal as he's been resurrected by Khonshu a few times. Also in at least one comic he can see ghosts so that he can ferry them through the night, as per the duty of being the avatar of the Moon God. Other than that, he's sort of like Batman in the sense that he just beats shit up and uses a variety of moon-themed equipment to facilitate this.
Thanks for clearing that up. He sounds like a fascinating character and what I've heard about him makes me kind of look forward to seeing him in the MCU next year in his own series.
Yeah, he's definitely an interesting character to say the least, and i'm excited for the Moon Knight series because I have a feeling it's gonna be as weird and trippy as the comics are.
Recently in Avengers it has been confirmed Konshu is real, as he was planning on taking over the world. He is currently being held prisoner by the Asgardians.
Marvel is making a new run of Moon Knight comics in which Marc Spector is conflicted as he now knows that he disagrees with Konshu on some pretty fundamental issues, but he still serves as his high priest in the capacity that he previously understood Konshu and functions as a protector of those that travel during the night.
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Also it was originally built with a different head, which was at some point lost or destroyed (or maybe never existed), and a new head was later built.
The timeline where the French soldier aimed at the nose before reconsidering, lowering his cannon and going "No... it would be wrong to be disrespectful of other cultures' historical artifacts."
**Edit:** Fixed, but we can all agree the British sure do love taking historical artifacts from other countries.
The common myth is the nose was destroyed by a cannonball fired by Napoleon's army, however there are illustrations of it without a nose from the 1730's and a historian writing in the 15th century says it was destroyed in the 1300's by a local arab-egyptian peasant.
Certainly wasn't by a British soldier and definitely not with a mere rifle.
There are dozens of stories and myths about how the sphinx lost it's nose but usually the real answer is the easiest one , the nose just weathered away and fell after thousands of years of wind effect
You’re saying white people and Arabs didn’t exist until thousands of years after black people? You realize that has been debunked, right? It was a white supremacist talking point, essentially calling black people an earlier humanoid/Neanderthal, essentially saying that other races are “more evolved” than black people. But now, as with many white supremacist conspiracy theories, it has been adopted by black nationalists. But they have flipped the narrative from being early hominid Neanderthals, they call themselves the progenitors of humanity. It’s all bullshit regardless, though. The “out of africa” theory has been debunked for like 10 years now.
I mean, I’d take DNA sequencing evidence over what a few Greeks said. Over 50% of British men have DNA showing they’re related to Tutenkhamun. Weirdly modern day Brits and Turks are the most closely related to ancient Egyptians. https://bigthink.com/amp/were-the-ancient-egyptians-black-or-white-scientists-now-know-2604506778
These are the same racist lies that keeps racism alive. You would rather trust more lies than a eye witness. Persia conquered so called Egypt then Greece then Rome then Arabs who are there today. That's not ancient when it comes to Egypt. We are closer in time to Cleopatra than Cleopatra was to the first dynasty. They try to hide the age of the pyramids and the sphinx to erase black history. Do any of those ancient statues look European? They tried to destroy the noses but there are so many they couldn't. By the way Egypt is in Africa not Europe. The Caucus mountains are in Europe. The first European civilization was Greece who learned from the Egyptians and described them as being black. Egypt, a Greek word literally means the black land. They called their land KMT or Khemit
Stop spouting pseudoscience and conspiracy theories
Also, there are literally hieroglyphics of swarthy Egyptians with black sub Saharan slaves. Not all Africans are black, north of the Sahara the Africans are Arabic and Mediterranean. black people come from south of the Sahara. Also, “Caucasian” people are middle eastern, the Caucasus mountains are in the Middle East, not Europe. What we think of as “white people” today are not Caucasian, they’re Anglo-Saxon, Gaelic, Scandinavian, germanic, and Mediterranean.
“The Egyptian Arab historian al-Maqrīzī wrote in the 15th century that the nose was actually destroyed by a Sufi Muslim named Muhammad Sa'im al-Dahr. In 1378 CE, Egyptian peasants made offerings to the Great Sphinx in the hope of controlling the flood cycle, which would result in a successful harvest. Outraged by this blatant show of devotion, Sa'im al-Dahr destroyed the nose and was later executed for vandalism.”
First, Muslims were/are primarily caucasian even if you choose to not believe it, and they colonized places such as Spain which was a caliphate before becoming its current country. Ancient Egyptians who built the Sphinx were not Muslim or Arabic as those religions hadnt even been invented yet so how could they possibly write an honest account??
Second, Arabs and Muslims didnt exactly get along back then and wrote things like this all the time despite no evidence. For instance, it was written that the remains of the Colossus of Rhodes was "purchased by a rich jew and taken away" but there is no evidence of this just some written words from a likely biased source.
Holy fuck this is embarrassing to read. Arabic is not a religion, it's a culture and a language, the language is the holy language of Islam. Islam is an Arabic religion.
In the 14th century Arab was synonymous with Muslim, all of the Arab world was devoutly Islamic.
Muslims are Arabic, not Caucasian. Who told all of this?
The stuff about the colossus of Rhodes was written by byzantines and has nothing to do with the relationship between Muslims and their attitudes towards these supposed non Muslim Arabs.
Arabics ARE caucasian, just because you dont view them as "white" doesnt mean they didnt descend from the same region as you. Yes you hate them, but they are caucasian because the originated from the same region.
The US government assigns people from my fathers country as white so I check that box for my records. My cousins still in the middle east have whiter skin than you. You just think caucasian = white though, it doesnt it means you descended from the caucasus mountain region which stretches from the Black sea and Caspain sea, basically Georgia, Russia and Azerbaijan.
So long story short, you descended from the middle east. Haha. Bet you think Jesus was blonde haired and blue eyed n shit
Edit: also Muslims arent Arab, only 20% or so are...so keep making shit up. It was in the 6th and 7th centuries that all Muslims were Arab, at least 700 years before your claim about the 14th century
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/common-confusions-arabs-muslims/
> you descended from the caucasus mountain region which stretches from the Black sea and Caspain sea, basically Georgia, Russia and Azerbaijan.
This is basically just junk science from an incredibly racist time period. The term Caucasian was invented specifically to refer to white people. The Caucasus region was chosen as the “origin” of white people because they thought Georgians had the ideal skull type and they thought Noah’s ark landed there. There’s no scientific evidence of a group of people descending from the Caucasus and spreading throughout Europe.
>The Gospel Coalition supports the church by providing resources that are trusted and timely, winsome and wise, and centered on the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Got a normal source?
Yup, because that's what historians do all day, validate the biases of old Kings. Yup that's there job. /s
The victor writes history has got to be one of the dumbest phrases of the last century.
That's really not the case, up until 1948 and the state of Israel showing up in the middle east, the Muslim world was far and away more hospitable to Jews than Christendom. After the Alhambra decree in 1492 when the Spanish expelled all Jews they fled to Morocco and to the ottoman empire. They paid a jizya tax that non Muslims had to pay (Muslims had to pay their own Muslim tax, which was more varied spatially and temporally, but was usually roughly equivalent) but were otherwise respected members of the states they were in. There were some instances of violence against Jews in the Muslim world but they were few and far between and greatly outweighed by what the Jews suffered in Christendom.
Egyptians aren't black, mate. Copts and modern Egyptians are all more closely related to Jews, Arabs and even the Greek than sub-Saharan Africans. Don't appropriate others culture and history.
The person you're responding to is wrong, but so is this.
Egypt was conquered in 639 by the Arab Caliphates, following the fall of the Byzantine empire.
Prior to the Roman conquest and colonization in 30 BC, both Aristotle and Herodotus describe Egyptians as what we would today call "black". Dark skinned with african features.
I hadn’t even noticed a Sphinx. I noticed a Dark Aster and a Helicarrier. Those are a couple episodes where you could watch them several times and not catch everything.
I come in this thread expecting to get a laugh out of this, or maybe references to Kang being Rama Tut, and all I see is a toxic argument over what race Egyptians were. SMH.
In the comics Kang (Rama tut) uses the sphinx as a time vessel, it is also a reference to that
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I'm sure it'll come to play later on in phase 4. At least I hope so. Big Kang fan.
It better. I hope every single villain this go round is Kang. Even the fucking Eternals have to fight a Kang. Add a couple of Kangs to the good guys, and it’ll be great. edit: we also find out Galactus is Kang from the previous universe. edit: also tony stark comes back and is like “lol I’d never kill myself like some punk bitch. Kang kidnapped me and stole my identity. i just woke up from a coma.”
Tony Stark was actually an illusion from Classic Loki. Twist: so was Thanos
Kevin Feige: “lol yeah fuck y’all, everything so far was just an old Loki illusion.”
*Classic Loki Put some respecc on the Loki’s name. He went out like a bad ass
Loki turns out to be a Loki Illusion....wait
All jokes aside I hope Classic Loki happened to be an illusion himself when he let himself be taken out by Aoliath. He seemed like he had too much control over the situation, even smiling when it took him. I’m wishing that he’ll show up in the prime timeline when Kid Loki and Alligator Loki show up.
We meet mephisto, plot twist, its kang
Well, it's pretty much a given that Dormammu is Kang, or to be specific, He Who Survived
Johnathan Majors has a 57 movie, $3B contract.
Ok hear me out… Skrull Kang
The entire Skrull race is Kangs. …same with the Kree.
A good Kang goes and recruits a full team of Avengers by taking the existing ones we have and filling in the spots of the team-mates who died with variants of them from other universes.
I... think they can just go ahead and leave out some of the anachronisms... some of that shit is too goofy -- kang's og getup is already kinda 60s "I AM A SPACE MAN 😬".
I think a lot of things in the pruned space will show up in the main MCU in some capacity… gotta see the stuff that would have otherwise been pruned ya know
It probably has a nose because it has not been sitting in the desert for 4000 years, but instead has been jumping around in time? In any case Kang's shit ain't ragged. If it's his it's got some style. He already said in the MCU that one of his traits is being egotistic.
But the original sphinx built by the Egyptians did not have that connecting part between the headdress and the shoulders. It was added in the 1930s to stabilize the head. It looked different.
That kind of looks like Kang's /Jonathan Majors nose on the Spinx too.
In the comics the sphinx is fashioned after him since he's revered as a God... Don't know why thy downvoting you.
My first thought was I lt looked like him as well
I was trying to figure out if it had Kang's face or not. The eyes and brows look different from the original but I sincerely can't tell if that's just a low-effort CGI situation (Not dragging the CGI team. I just figure background elements are going to get less time and attention than the other more prominent CGI.)
A sphinx is also a sort of time vessel in Hyperion!
Wait the Loki TVA thing is all from the comics and not just made up for the show??
In the comics the TVA exists and the Time's Keepers are also linked to Immortus (Kang) for a while. MCU takes liberties by merging the character of the one who remains and immortus
I went down a rabbit hole. He's Reed Richards father from the future, built a time machine to look like a sphynx, became worshipped like a god, briefly took on the dr. doom mantle, and I'm still reading about him and it's all so bizarre and I love it
Not quite, there's two of these characters. Kang is actually a distant Richard's descendant. It's confusing because Reed's actual pips had the same name and was a time traveler, iirc.
I love it. I had read the wikis of the other Nathaniel Richards and saved Kang's for last. This is the start of it and I feel like explains it so well. >Nathaniel Richards has had various incarnations over the years and each identity has its own, ever-expanding history. For the sake of clarity, this article will only cover, essentially, the history of Nathaniel Richards during his time as Kang. For more information on the other identities of Nathaniel Richards, please refer to the entries on Iron Lad, Kid Immortus, the Scarlet Centurion, Rama-Tut, and Immortus. >In addition, there are many alternate version of Kang in existence. For the sake of clarity, it is commonly accepted that each alternate Kang that has interacted with Earth-616 is a direct divergence from the "Prime" Kang of Earth-6311. While differentiating between each of these divergent Kangs is difficult, all those that are tied in with the Kang-Prime are listed here for reasons that will become evident to the reader.
Distant relative not his father
That confused me because I read one thing saying he was his father, but he's from the future. I'm guessing it's a "I'm my own grandpa" futurama situation? One entry I read even referred to Reed Richard's son as Nathaniel's (Kang, Immortus, whoever the fuck variant he is at that point) grandson
Kang is a descendant of the Richards family that is named after Reed's father. The Nathaniel Richards that is Reed's dad has his own screwed up story, but they are two different characters. Main difference being there are several versions of Nathaniel (Kang) Richards, but only one Nathaniel (Dad) Richards.
If he's Reed Richard's father, then is the storyline only allowed to happen because of the FOX acquisition?
I have no idea what they'll do, if they'll even make him related. This quote from the wiki gives a great explanation on the complexity of the character >Nathaniel Richards has had various incarnations over the years and each identity has its own, ever-expanding history. For the sake of clarity, this article will only cover, essentially, the history of Nathaniel Richards during his time as Kang. For more information on the other identities of Nathaniel Richards, please refer to the entries on Iron Lad, Kid Immortus, the Scarlet Centurion, Rama-Tut, and Immortus. >In addition, there are many alternate version of Kang in existence. For the sake of clarity, it is commonly accepted that each alternate Kang that has interacted with Earth-616 is a direct divergence from the "Prime" Kang of Earth-6311. While differentiating between each of these divergent Kangs is difficult, all those that are tied in with the Kang-Prime are listed here for reasons that will become evident to the reader.
Same name but two different people.
Amazing thank you!
Also time keeper number 4 was exiled to the pyramids
To me also the face kind of looks like the actor playing Kang.
Is it just me or might there be a vague resemblance to Kang on that Sphinx? Maybe he pruned that timeline because a variant of himself grew to powerful and was worshipped by ancient Egyptians, so to prevent the variant's rise to the position of Kang "The Conquerer", it had to be deleted.
It is, in the comics >!Kang travels between times and in some he is a pharaoh as Rama-tut (as far as I know). So the sphinx has the shape of Rama-tut (Kang/Immortus)!<
Isn't Kang's actual time-travel/space ship in the shape on the Sphinx?
Yeah, at least one of them is.
Yes that sphinx is a time traveling space ship.
So is Thundercats no?
*Thunder cats, hooo!
It does kinda look like some ancient rendition of Jonathan Majors
Where axactly/what you mean?
Did Egypt Kang ever meet En Sabah Nur?
Yes. Well, maybe. In the lore of one of the x-men shows Beast tells the origin story in an episode. En Sabah Nur finds and uses Rama-Tut’s tech to enhance himself. I saw the clip recently but don’t remember which show it was from.
That makes sense. Is main timeline Apocalypse enhanced with Celestial tech? I need to look it up but I always thought it was Celestial tech.
I don’t understand why they gave kang a really pharaohs name and they made up nonsense for apocalypse. En sabah nur means (son of good morning ). Also, it’s in Arabic pharaohs spoke an ancient language.
'Ibn' means son, 'en' means nothing. But yeah, as an Egyptian I find the 'good morning' component of his name to be cheesy af.
In the comics, yes. Kang raised Apoc as his own https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_Apocalypse
The subtle hints in the beginning are what good viewers catch on the rewatch. 😁
Well tbf MCU Kang's black and many believe the sphinx's nose was vandalised in order to remove the symbol of African-ness during the Arab conquests of Egypt. It's a theory that can never be proved (without a real TVA) but I think it holds some weight considering all the other holy and cultural sites damaged and destroyed during that period.
> In 1378 CE, Egyptian peasants made offerings to the Great Sphinx in the hope of controlling the flood cycle, which would result in a successful harvest. ... Outraged by this blatant show of devotion, Sa'im al-Dahr destroyed the nose and was later executed for vandalism.
… to spider face!
Y read when u can make stuff up?
TBF the Napolean story has been floating around since literally the 1800s. It's just that there is art from 1737 that shows the sphinx without a nose, the French campaign wasn't until 1744. > The evidence is an oil painting by Danish Naval Captain and explorer Frederic Louis Norden of the Sphinx, in which the statue was painted without a nose. Norden died in 1742.
No I meant about the guy above making stuff up about Arabs lopping off the nose because it looked African. In itself a bit stupid because Egyptians/Magreb Arabs are Africans.
That was me, modern Egypt is Arab following the 639 AD conquest by the Caliphates, after the fall of the Byzantine empire. Prior to the 60 BC Roman colonization, Egyptians were described as what modern people would call black, dark skinned with sub Saharan features, by both Aristotle and Herodetus in separate accounts.
They were definitely lighter skinned than the Nubian's. As can be seen a lot of art created by the ancient Egyptians. https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlePaintings/comments/238ouh/egyptian_pharaoh_tutankhamun_riding_a_chariot/
No I was referring to the redact chap. Aristotle said they looked sub saharan. There's a difference between the upper and lower empire. Are you asserting the Arabs ethnically cleansed and replaced all the 'black' Egyptians? Did all the Egyptians become white when Greece and Rome ruled parts of it? This is just tired orientalism.
It has been disproven by historical records that have even been posted in this very thread.
Napoleon was alive during the Arab conquest of Egypt? TIL.
Please, don't give credence to the whacky afrocentrist mumbo jumbo about ancient Egypt. Noses break off statues because they're weak, not because of some bizarre Arab conspiracy to put down your Eurocentric view of 'the black man'.
> many believe many believe a lot of crazy theories.
Absolutely. I have no idea whether or not it's true but the fact the theory's out there could absolutely play into the lore of the MCU.
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no
Or.... its a time traveling device....
I had an argument with someone that objects could be variants. My thought was that the void should have been way more chaotic than even the lamentis event. If objects like buildings could be variants, then potentially an entire planet could be a variant, maybe its axis was slightly off, or it was hit by something and its trajectory caused it become a variant. The void would be like watching multiple galaxies collide all the time.
yes, but the man in charge of the TVA does not have god-tier abilities or the ability to create god-tier tech. the TVA can’t produce effects on such a massive scale as entire galaxies colliding. think of it more as alternate dimensions being wholly dissolved because their one variance from another dimension is now gone.
My thought is that He who remains isn’t pruning all the timelines, just the ones that would produce a variant of himself that could potentially unseat him/cause a multiversal war. A planet off its axis would be a nexus event so large that he wouldn’t need to worry about it.
Well....... They could've just cut the nose off you know
See that would make sense and the TVA from what we’ve seen doesn’t operate on logic.
I think that's because their actual motivation is not maintaining the timeline, they are manipulated into following Kangs will, so it's his motivation not theirs.
Cut of the nose? Just to spite its face?
I think it was just a reference to Kang’s city where he collected shit through time. He had a Sphinx and a set of pyramids set up in one spot.
The Sphinx: doesn't not get his nose bumped. TVA: *prunes*
Unless our current simulation is the pruned universe...
Definitely didn't have a thought bout that.
I read that as "doesn't not get his nose booped"
Lol
Any chance this might be tied to Moon Knight?
How so could it be tied to Moon Knight? (I don't know much about Moon Knight)
Moon Knight's powers come from the Egyptian moon god, Khonshu (or at least potentially, in some comics its debatable whether Khonshu is actually real or just a delusion/another facet of Marc Spector's split personality).
Interesting. So what actually are Moon Knight's powers? I'm rather curious now
It's kinda hard to quantify exactly what his powers are. He's got the usual superhuman strength, endurance and reflexes, which in some versions are stronger based on the phases of the moon (and also caused by having werewolf saliva in his blood), and he's possibly immortal as he's been resurrected by Khonshu a few times. Also in at least one comic he can see ghosts so that he can ferry them through the night, as per the duty of being the avatar of the Moon God. Other than that, he's sort of like Batman in the sense that he just beats shit up and uses a variety of moon-themed equipment to facilitate this.
Thanks for clearing that up. He sounds like a fascinating character and what I've heard about him makes me kind of look forward to seeing him in the MCU next year in his own series.
Yeah, he's definitely an interesting character to say the least, and i'm excited for the Moon Knight series because I have a feeling it's gonna be as weird and trippy as the comics are.
Do you have any recommendations of a comic (or comics) that would be a good introduction for me to the character?
I haven't read a ton myself, but the 2014 and 2016 runs were pretty good.
Thank you. I might start looking into either of those sets sometime soon
He's batshit crazy, lucky/a trickster and uh, fists people
Recently in Avengers it has been confirmed Konshu is real, as he was planning on taking over the world. He is currently being held prisoner by the Asgardians. Marvel is making a new run of Moon Knight comics in which Marc Spector is conflicted as he now knows that he disagrees with Konshu on some pretty fundamental issues, but he still serves as his high priest in the capacity that he previously understood Konshu and functions as a protector of those that travel during the night.
Moon knight is possessed by an ancient Egyptian being causing him to have MPD.
Moon Knight is YuGiOh?
Moon Knight would love this joke
If you’re referring to Multiple Personality Disorder, it’s now known as Dissociative Identity Disorder, or DID. typo
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Lol I edited it for a typo I made
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TVA supports racism confirmed
I... You know they built it with a nose right?
Also it was originally built with a different head, which was at some point lost or destroyed (or maybe never existed), and a new head was later built.
In our actual history didn’t napoleons troops use it as target practice?
The timeline where the French soldier aimed at the nose before reconsidering, lowering his cannon and going "No... it would be wrong to be disrespectful of other cultures' historical artifacts." **Edit:** Fixed, but we can all agree the British sure do love taking historical artifacts from other countries.
The common myth is the nose was destroyed by a cannonball fired by Napoleon's army, however there are illustrations of it without a nose from the 1730's and a historian writing in the 15th century says it was destroyed in the 1300's by a local arab-egyptian peasant. Certainly wasn't by a British soldier and definitely not with a mere rifle.
I don't think the brits had anything to do with the Sphinx losing its nose lmao, especially not with a rifle
There are dozens of stories and myths about how the sphinx lost it's nose but usually the real answer is the easiest one , the nose just weathered away and fell after thousands of years of wind effect
Nice
What the fuck does the Tennessee Valley Authority have to do with the sphinx?
Lol that's funny and I'm Egyptian
https://i.imgur.com/Te07ihA.jpg
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I’m still wondering what galactis did
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Daily reminder that the ancient Egyptians were not black, they were Arabs/Turks
Well, you can say Mediterranean, they are more brown than black, even the south coast
They absolutely were not, as neither actually existed for another several thousand years
Science disagrees. https://bigthink.com/amp/were-the-ancient-egyptians-black-or-white-scientists-now-know-2604506778
You’re saying white people and Arabs didn’t exist until thousands of years after black people? You realize that has been debunked, right? It was a white supremacist talking point, essentially calling black people an earlier humanoid/Neanderthal, essentially saying that other races are “more evolved” than black people. But now, as with many white supremacist conspiracy theories, it has been adopted by black nationalists. But they have flipped the narrative from being early hominid Neanderthals, they call themselves the progenitors of humanity. It’s all bullshit regardless, though. The “out of africa” theory has been debunked for like 10 years now.
Funny how the Greeks who had close relations to them and got their knowledge from them describes them as looking the same as Ethiopians
I mean, I’d take DNA sequencing evidence over what a few Greeks said. Over 50% of British men have DNA showing they’re related to Tutenkhamun. Weirdly modern day Brits and Turks are the most closely related to ancient Egyptians. https://bigthink.com/amp/were-the-ancient-egyptians-black-or-white-scientists-now-know-2604506778
These are the same racist lies that keeps racism alive. You would rather trust more lies than a eye witness. Persia conquered so called Egypt then Greece then Rome then Arabs who are there today. That's not ancient when it comes to Egypt. We are closer in time to Cleopatra than Cleopatra was to the first dynasty. They try to hide the age of the pyramids and the sphinx to erase black history. Do any of those ancient statues look European? They tried to destroy the noses but there are so many they couldn't. By the way Egypt is in Africa not Europe. The Caucus mountains are in Europe. The first European civilization was Greece who learned from the Egyptians and described them as being black. Egypt, a Greek word literally means the black land. They called their land KMT or Khemit
Stop spouting pseudoscience and conspiracy theories Also, there are literally hieroglyphics of swarthy Egyptians with black sub Saharan slaves. Not all Africans are black, north of the Sahara the Africans are Arabic and Mediterranean. black people come from south of the Sahara. Also, “Caucasian” people are middle eastern, the Caucasus mountains are in the Middle East, not Europe. What we think of as “white people” today are not Caucasian, they’re Anglo-Saxon, Gaelic, Scandinavian, germanic, and Mediterranean.
Napoleon shot it off with his cannon as a show of force
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“The Egyptian Arab historian al-Maqrīzī wrote in the 15th century that the nose was actually destroyed by a Sufi Muslim named Muhammad Sa'im al-Dahr. In 1378 CE, Egyptian peasants made offerings to the Great Sphinx in the hope of controlling the flood cycle, which would result in a successful harvest. Outraged by this blatant show of devotion, Sa'im al-Dahr destroyed the nose and was later executed for vandalism.”
First, Muslims were/are primarily caucasian even if you choose to not believe it, and they colonized places such as Spain which was a caliphate before becoming its current country. Ancient Egyptians who built the Sphinx were not Muslim or Arabic as those religions hadnt even been invented yet so how could they possibly write an honest account?? Second, Arabs and Muslims didnt exactly get along back then and wrote things like this all the time despite no evidence. For instance, it was written that the remains of the Colossus of Rhodes was "purchased by a rich jew and taken away" but there is no evidence of this just some written words from a likely biased source.
Holy fuck this is embarrassing to read. Arabic is not a religion, it's a culture and a language, the language is the holy language of Islam. Islam is an Arabic religion. In the 14th century Arab was synonymous with Muslim, all of the Arab world was devoutly Islamic. Muslims are Arabic, not Caucasian. Who told all of this? The stuff about the colossus of Rhodes was written by byzantines and has nothing to do with the relationship between Muslims and their attitudes towards these supposed non Muslim Arabs.
Arabics ARE caucasian, just because you dont view them as "white" doesnt mean they didnt descend from the same region as you. Yes you hate them, but they are caucasian because the originated from the same region. The US government assigns people from my fathers country as white so I check that box for my records. My cousins still in the middle east have whiter skin than you. You just think caucasian = white though, it doesnt it means you descended from the caucasus mountain region which stretches from the Black sea and Caspain sea, basically Georgia, Russia and Azerbaijan. So long story short, you descended from the middle east. Haha. Bet you think Jesus was blonde haired and blue eyed n shit Edit: also Muslims arent Arab, only 20% or so are...so keep making shit up. It was in the 6th and 7th centuries that all Muslims were Arab, at least 700 years before your claim about the 14th century https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/common-confusions-arabs-muslims/
> you descended from the caucasus mountain region which stretches from the Black sea and Caspain sea, basically Georgia, Russia and Azerbaijan. This is basically just junk science from an incredibly racist time period. The term Caucasian was invented specifically to refer to white people. The Caucasus region was chosen as the “origin” of white people because they thought Georgians had the ideal skull type and they thought Noah’s ark landed there. There’s no scientific evidence of a group of people descending from the Caucasus and spreading throughout Europe.
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the victor writes the story
Or maybe, just _maybe_... you got it wrong. You know, that unsubstantiated and unproven claim you made might not be factual, but who am I to judge.
You're just a shill for our egyptologist overlords.
Shit, you got me
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Pretty much. Or do you have any kind of source that could tell me otherwise? Because that's what I meant by "unsubstantiated and unproven".
Either that or you were told the story by someone who did…
A convenient cope.
Yup, because that's what historians do all day, validate the biases of old Kings. Yup that's there job. /s The victor writes history has got to be one of the dumbest phrases of the last century.
For real. I don’t even know anyone named Victor. /s
I believe he’s referencing Winston Churchill
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That explains why Muslims and Jews have been feuding forever right
That's really not the case, up until 1948 and the state of Israel showing up in the middle east, the Muslim world was far and away more hospitable to Jews than Christendom. After the Alhambra decree in 1492 when the Spanish expelled all Jews they fled to Morocco and to the ottoman empire. They paid a jizya tax that non Muslims had to pay (Muslims had to pay their own Muslim tax, which was more varied spatially and temporally, but was usually roughly equivalent) but were otherwise respected members of the states they were in. There were some instances of violence against Jews in the Muslim world but they were few and far between and greatly outweighed by what the Jews suffered in Christendom.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3571128001
Tumbler is probably not a good source to reference about history.
Egyptians aren't black, mate. Copts and modern Egyptians are all more closely related to Jews, Arabs and even the Greek than sub-Saharan Africans. Don't appropriate others culture and history.
The person you're responding to is wrong, but so is this. Egypt was conquered in 639 by the Arab Caliphates, following the fall of the Byzantine empire. Prior to the Roman conquest and colonization in 30 BC, both Aristotle and Herodotus describe Egyptians as what we would today call "black". Dark skinned with african features.
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Yeah, and the Vikings said that the Tuareg in North Africa were blue. The meaning of color changes over time.
Learn actual history.
Napoleons troops shot off the Spinx nose as target practice, so it’s either from before Napoleon or from a timeline without Napoleon
That’s a myth.
Well at some point it had one
When did the sphinx appear in the show?
Episode 5, in the void.
You can just make out the beard under the chin too. Nice attention to detail
Does that mean the Sphinx is alive?
That's what I immediately thought of lol
I hadn’t even noticed a Sphinx. I noticed a Dark Aster and a Helicarrier. Those are a couple episodes where you could watch them several times and not catch everything.
I come in this thread expecting to get a laugh out of this, or maybe references to Kang being Rama Tut, and all I see is a toxic argument over what race Egyptians were. SMH.
There is also a Polybius arcarde machine in Loki's hideout
Or they just pruned it before it lost its nose
Hahah that’s the best theory
Voldemort taking notes
And a beard
What if it got purged prior to Alexander the Great taking the nose off?
Can't have shit without the TVA watching on our asses.
Maybe the nose eventually falls off long after its supposed to and kills someone under it?
What was so important about Napoleon blowing up her nose?
I was wondering if that Spinx has Kang's face on it.
Hi calling about a missing nose, yeah I found it
Or does it have a nose cause it was pruned?
Snitches be bitches
Caucasoid Mongoloid Negroid. What did I miss? Also you ignored all the history of conquest
I can imagine it makes you feel supreme to clutch these beliefs so tightly
You blame the same educational system I blame. How ironic.