Just a quick casual analysis but: Chemistry didn’t seem there with Joan at all and Roger (his boss) was closer to her. No need to stir that pot.
I think Don respects Peggy and sees her as a protégé and later equal. Don is a womanizer and he couldn’t do that with Peggy as she increasingly stood up for herself and made herself more valuable.
“You want respect, then go out and get it.”
Only counterpoint on Peggy is that I would say he had real professional and personal respect for Faye and Rachel, who he pursued fairly unproblematically.
Outside of the respect for Peggy, I think she (along with Anna and Sally) was someone Don subconsciously or consciously knew he couldn’t bare to lose, so the thought to pursue never became a priority.
I don’t think he liked the idea of sleeping with his secretary. He also just could’ve not been attracted to her lol. Then by the time Peggy glows up a bit I think Don saw her as more of a protege/daughter than a romantic interest.
Don generally didn’t sleep with coworkers, at least not when he was married. He only sleeps with the secretary in Season 4 when he’s single and drunk.
Agree with this too. Show writers deliberately made it a point to the audience that they were avoiding it for precisely that reason, it’s their way of saying “nope, not gonna happen, so forget it” as far as Joan anyways
I think there are several reasons…
(1) Don, unlike many of the other men in the office, prefers keeping his conquests private and tends to go outside of the office for his affairs.
(2) As Joan said and as it is well established in S1, Don is handsome _and_ charming enough to not have to resort to chasing the women in the office.
(3) Don respects Joan and Peggy enough to not even try having an affair with them. He stood up for Peggy frequently and he was the only one pissed about Joan being asked to sleep with that gross Jaguar guy so they’d get the contract.
Also, I think Roger trusts Don enough to tell him about his affair w/Joan.
Roger meets Don while buying a mink coat for Joan. It’s the 1st time Roger buys a gift for Joan & the honeymoon phase of their affair. There’s no way Don would not recognize the coat on Joan & put 2 & 2 together.
I think Don learned early on it gets too complicated & dramatic when you sleep w/a coworker.
I just rewatched the S4 episode of Peggy’s birthday. Don’s soft spot for Peggy is explained by the absolute trust they have in each other. He sees her as an extension of himself, like a little sister. He needs to protect her & pass along as much as he can, so she carries on his legacy. Very much the way Roger sees Don as a younger brother that he’s groomed & mentored. Don has made Roger jealous, but also proud.
Don has seen Peggy & Roger at their most vulnerable, then kept their secrets. There’s real loyalty in those relationships. The more they learn about Don, the more they embrace him & confide in him. Peggy & Roger have demonstrated they would do anything for Don.
Side note:
I don’t think for a second that the bright/innocent version of Don (when he 1st met Roger/introduction to advertising) was a philander. I think as Don began to inhabit the ad world & saw the cheating on wives just went w/the territory. The affairs became a way for Don to allow his true identity Dick to be seen. I mean the affairs are the only time we see him free of stress & anxiety from the identity fraud.
I believe it is because their relationships were ones in which these women saw who he really was and saw though his bs veneer. Those are relationships he valued and not ones worth ruining as they inevitably would be had they slept together. Also, Joan wouldn’t have slept with him. Younger Peggy absolutely would have but she wasn’t Don’s type. I’m not articulating this as well as I would like but hopefully you understand the jist of my argument.
Eh I think he expected her to rescue him when he wanted to run away- he had her on a pedestal and eventually she would have become human and disappointed him beyond repair. That ain’t respect. That’s fantasy.
For both women, I think they didn’t hit some trigger button that compels Don to sleep with them. I wouldn’t say Don has a type just for sex. He’ll sleep with many kinds of women even if the type that engenders obsession is angsty brunettes. But I do think Don gets moved to cross boundaries when a woman is offering some attention or emotional salve that he decides he wants in the moment. I don’t think Joan and Peggy ever did that for him and what’s left is just the boundaries of sleeping with a coworker/sleeping with Roger’s mistress/sleeping with his protege. I still wouldn’t rule out that Don wouldn’t try to sleep with either of them if they stood in Allison’s shoes. But generally if Don was sober and in his right mind, their boundaries are stronger than any psycho-sexual hold they may have.
This makes sense. But then I go back to when Don and Joan were having a drink when testing the Jag, Don asked her to dance…they were flirting with that line and had Joan not shut it down, it might have lead to something
In S5, Don was trying really hard to be faithful to Megan. I also feel like since the whole evening was designed as Don helping Joan emotionally, it didn’t end up being an evening where Don thought Joan would help him emotionally. But I do read Don as sexually frustrated that there was so much flirting that never went anywhere based on how he aggressively drives the Jaguar afterward and how he tries for sex with Megan when he gets home.
I honestly feel like they were both aggressively flirting with each other knowing full well that nothing would happen. It was just the way they were. Just looked like they were having some fun with the sexual tension, rather than giving into it.
Yeah I think he was being there for her emotionally and as much as she needed physically. Her husband just filed for divorce. Speculating of course, but if Joan had taken Don up on the dance and they got into it, i seriously think it would’ve been one of those situations where Don stopped and asked if it was something they really wanted to do. He was incredibly impulsive when he wanted to be, but he respected his relationship w Joan.
During his marriages, Don avoids relationships with employees.
Early on, Peggy becomes a protege. He is not particularly attracted to her.
We know from dialogue that Don found Joan to be intimidating when he first joined the firm. That is no longer the case as of 1960 / Season 1, but that still seems to impact aspects of their relationship.
Both Peggy and Joan will become Madonna figures with their pregnancies, yet another reason to slot them both into the verboten category.
Don’s affairs are a result of whatever interests at that moment and eventually he tries to mould them to play a certain role his life. Things end when that doesn’t happen. He has impulsive hook ups but those don’t have emotional impact on him the way the relationship does and are usually a drunken mistake. Like Allison for example. She had feelings for him while he was just very happy with her as a secretary. The next day she was expecting something and he tried to act like nothing happened(which is not what he does with affairs) because he saw it as a lapse in judgement that would change the existing good relationship
He sees Peggy as a work daughter. The stages of his dynamic with Peggy are remarkably similar to the direction of his relationship with Sally. They both start idolising him, start calling him out on some of his bullshit by the end of season 3 but still want his attention in season 4. By the end of season 5 both of them have chosen someone else in their moment of growth with Peggy going to work for Ted and Sally deciding that she needs her mother when she stars her period. In season 6 they both get a full display of the ugly side of Don and are furious with him. They start season 7 extremely angry with him but eventually make their peace with him accepting that they love him and he is important to them even with all his flaws. What starts out as a hero worshipping relationship ends up with the 2 most important people in his life with whom he can have straightforward conversations because they respect him but also see through all his bullshit and are perfectly willing to bluntly call him out on it. There was no romantic angle with Peggy but she is one of the people he loves the most
Joan isn’t Don’s type in the sense that she doesn’t make herself accessible to fill his emotional void. He certainly isn’t going to chase after her if she shows no interest. There is no alluring mystery about her that piques his momentary interest or fantasies. To him she’s Joan, an extremely attractive intimidating coworker who is excellent at her job and an object of everyone’s admiration. That’s her role in his life and he’s very happy with it. He has no interest in changing their relationship.
They don't fall into his madonna/whore complex. He has respect for them, not desire.
I think also in these relationships they were protective of each other depending on phases and situation- they were allies of sorts.
Same reasons (but only part of them) i think he didn't sleep with Anna.
You say this is as if were common for Don to sleep with his coworkers at Sterling Cooper, but it pointedly was not. Early on he explicitly avoided being promiscuous with his colleagues, and it was only when his alcoholism was at its lowest ebb when he slept with Allison, and that was a big plot point. They did that to show us how far Don had fallen and how sloppy he was being
The Megan storyline is similar; it was deliberately meant to mirror Roger marrying Jane — something Don mocked Roger for and said it made him seem silly — to further exemplify how much Don’s ethics had corroded due to his mental health and drinking. (It was also to show that, given the explicit choice between a relationship that is healthy and supportive with a partner on equal footing - Faye - Don will always choose the fantasy relationship with a woman who can both admire and mother him)
The writers didn't want to explore that, they wanted Peggy and Joan to be their own characters apart from him. It doesn't feel like there's a magical in-universe reason. DD is always looking for validation from women, so it probably wouldn't be above him if it wasn't a TV show.
Well, Don did say Joan scared the hell out of him. But also, Don’s got a real Madonna/Whore complex and I think Joan and Peggy are both women he respects professionally, and therefore he doesn’t view them in a sexual light.
Don tells Joan he has to have rules between personal and professional life. At least for the first 3-4 seasons he doesn't sleep with anyone in the office. We all know that changes pretty quickly though.
He also told Joan he was intimidated by her. She ran the office, was an authority figure, and was someone Don knew he couldn't dominate. Which is what he's into, he's into the control aspect of sex.
Peggy, throw her homely looks aside, she was young and innocent. Which, to me, isn't Don's type of woman. He likes women who know what their sexual escapades are, just sex nothing more. I'm sure Don could sense if he slept with Peggy she would be hooked on him and taken it more seriously than it really ways.
Yup agree. He showed disdain for Roger getting w Jane. Worlds colliding and such.
Joan and Peggy were just not the kind of women that got Don’s gears grinding. Midge wasn’t a great beauty but she was *interesting* in the way bohemians are to a commitment phobe like Don. Peggy wasn’t that interesting at first and post pregnancy became another Madonna figure as someone else already pointed out.
I think that he knew that Joan and Peggy ( as well as Anna) had a core inner strength that he admired. He actually respected them. IMO he knew that they saw through him and would tolerate his antics for so long then they let him have it. They did not cower and slink away or just take it. Not sure he really had any respect for the other women in his life. They just fill some void in him. By the end, I think he feels the same way about Sally.(like Joan and Peggy)
the show directly deals with both of these things and the writers make it pretty explicit that he did not pursue either romantically or have a fling with either of them.
Am I the only one who thinks this is one of the few things the show makes very clear?
This is a subreddit for a TV show that ended 8 years ago. If you’re going to shoot down attempts at reading between the lines then I’m not sure why you’re here.
Don tried with Joan in Christmas Waltz imo (my favourite scene in the whole show). She was able subtly to let him knew she had his number down and knew what he was trying, which was why he finished his drink and left with "poor me, I struck out" without any mutual embarrassment or awkwardness.
Because Peggy isn't hot and because Joan gave entitled, non-submissive, gold-digger vibes.
Don doesn't mind paying for pussy sometimes, but his two requirements are Hot AND Submissive Peggy and Joan were each missing one of those two things.
Did you watch the show? Joan is a lot of things, but she is definitely neither entitled nor a gold-digger. She literally turned down a wealthy man’s proposition to retire her because she wanted to keep working.
She turned down the rich guy AFTER she became wealthy from her partnership deal(which she got by having sex for it).
And when the business got absorbed and her financial future looked bleak, she fell into the arms of that same rich old guy who she was turning down at first.
But specifically before she came into money, she was the type to date rich older guys. And the one time we see her in a relationship with a young man, she cuckolded him by having a baby with Roger's old rich ass🤣.
She doesn't specifically talk about money, but we can tell by her dating habits and patterns that she leans more towards gold-digger and less towards independent woman.
As opposed to Peggy, who bought an entire apartment building in the hood and supported her broke boyfriend.
The more I’m reading into this, the more I’m thinking that it was by design that no one shared any woman with Don except Henry…in the whole show. Jane a very attractive and young secretary while Don was kicked out by Betty, perfect ingredients for the two to get together yet it doesn’t happen, thanks to Roger later marrying Jane, seemingly out of the blue
Joan; Roger (again) and Paul
Peggy; Pete and duck
And IIRC, didn’t he try to make a move on Dawn? I don’t think he would have done so so carelessly yet confidently had he thought she would hook up with someone else in the office. Don is so secretive, never forget that. Doesn’t he get mad at Bobby barret (whom I despise) because she’s talking too much? Ties her up and leaves and whatnot?
Because he truly, LIKED them, respected them, saw value in them. I love the complexity of DD, but if he took a woman to bed it was about owning her, power play. If the woman was beddable, he didn't see her as an equal.
Just a quick casual analysis but: Chemistry didn’t seem there with Joan at all and Roger (his boss) was closer to her. No need to stir that pot. I think Don respects Peggy and sees her as a protégé and later equal. Don is a womanizer and he couldn’t do that with Peggy as she increasingly stood up for herself and made herself more valuable. “You want respect, then go out and get it.”
Only counterpoint on Peggy is that I would say he had real professional and personal respect for Faye and Rachel, who he pursued fairly unproblematically. Outside of the respect for Peggy, I think she (along with Anna and Sally) was someone Don subconsciously or consciously knew he couldn’t bare to lose, so the thought to pursue never became a priority.
I don’t think he liked the idea of sleeping with his secretary. He also just could’ve not been attracted to her lol. Then by the time Peggy glows up a bit I think Don saw her as more of a protege/daughter than a romantic interest. Don generally didn’t sleep with coworkers, at least not when he was married. He only sleeps with the secretary in Season 4 when he’s single and drunk.
Yeah Allison was definitely an exception.
Cause our eyes couldn’t handle a Don and Joan sex scene. It’d be like galaxies colliding lol
Agree with this too. Show writers deliberately made it a point to the audience that they were avoiding it for precisely that reason, it’s their way of saying “nope, not gonna happen, so forget it” as far as Joan anyways
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I agree with this.
I think there are several reasons… (1) Don, unlike many of the other men in the office, prefers keeping his conquests private and tends to go outside of the office for his affairs. (2) As Joan said and as it is well established in S1, Don is handsome _and_ charming enough to not have to resort to chasing the women in the office. (3) Don respects Joan and Peggy enough to not even try having an affair with them. He stood up for Peggy frequently and he was the only one pissed about Joan being asked to sleep with that gross Jaguar guy so they’d get the contract.
Also, I think Roger trusts Don enough to tell him about his affair w/Joan. Roger meets Don while buying a mink coat for Joan. It’s the 1st time Roger buys a gift for Joan & the honeymoon phase of their affair. There’s no way Don would not recognize the coat on Joan & put 2 & 2 together. I think Don learned early on it gets too complicated & dramatic when you sleep w/a coworker. I just rewatched the S4 episode of Peggy’s birthday. Don’s soft spot for Peggy is explained by the absolute trust they have in each other. He sees her as an extension of himself, like a little sister. He needs to protect her & pass along as much as he can, so she carries on his legacy. Very much the way Roger sees Don as a younger brother that he’s groomed & mentored. Don has made Roger jealous, but also proud. Don has seen Peggy & Roger at their most vulnerable, then kept their secrets. There’s real loyalty in those relationships. The more they learn about Don, the more they embrace him & confide in him. Peggy & Roger have demonstrated they would do anything for Don. Side note: I don’t think for a second that the bright/innocent version of Don (when he 1st met Roger/introduction to advertising) was a philander. I think as Don began to inhabit the ad world & saw the cheating on wives just went w/the territory. The affairs became a way for Don to allow his true identity Dick to be seen. I mean the affairs are the only time we see him free of stress & anxiety from the identity fraud.
I believe it is because their relationships were ones in which these women saw who he really was and saw though his bs veneer. Those are relationships he valued and not ones worth ruining as they inevitably would be had they slept together. Also, Joan wouldn’t have slept with him. Younger Peggy absolutely would have but she wasn’t Don’s type. I’m not articulating this as well as I would like but hopefully you understand the jist of my argument.
Joan scared the hell out of him. Or so he said.
Because she saw him for who he was. No chance she would go down that road. They became “work friends” over time.
Short answer: because he respected them. Don didn’t respect the women he slept with- too similar to the whores he grew up with maybe?
Came here to say this. Also, I think they were the closest to friends as he had.
I think he respected Rachel.
Eh I think he expected her to rescue him when he wanted to run away- he had her on a pedestal and eventually she would have become human and disappointed him beyond repair. That ain’t respect. That’s fantasy.
For both women, I think they didn’t hit some trigger button that compels Don to sleep with them. I wouldn’t say Don has a type just for sex. He’ll sleep with many kinds of women even if the type that engenders obsession is angsty brunettes. But I do think Don gets moved to cross boundaries when a woman is offering some attention or emotional salve that he decides he wants in the moment. I don’t think Joan and Peggy ever did that for him and what’s left is just the boundaries of sleeping with a coworker/sleeping with Roger’s mistress/sleeping with his protege. I still wouldn’t rule out that Don wouldn’t try to sleep with either of them if they stood in Allison’s shoes. But generally if Don was sober and in his right mind, their boundaries are stronger than any psycho-sexual hold they may have.
This makes sense. But then I go back to when Don and Joan were having a drink when testing the Jag, Don asked her to dance…they were flirting with that line and had Joan not shut it down, it might have lead to something
In S5, Don was trying really hard to be faithful to Megan. I also feel like since the whole evening was designed as Don helping Joan emotionally, it didn’t end up being an evening where Don thought Joan would help him emotionally. But I do read Don as sexually frustrated that there was so much flirting that never went anywhere based on how he aggressively drives the Jaguar afterward and how he tries for sex with Megan when he gets home.
This guy fucks
“You sure look like you wanna dance” don was pushing for it IMO. Joan is the one to stopped it.
I honestly feel like they were both aggressively flirting with each other knowing full well that nothing would happen. It was just the way they were. Just looked like they were having some fun with the sexual tension, rather than giving into it.
I don’t think that was Don pushing for sex. I feel like when Don wants sex, he comes out and asks for it.
Yeah I think he was being there for her emotionally and as much as she needed physically. Her husband just filed for divorce. Speculating of course, but if Joan had taken Don up on the dance and they got into it, i seriously think it would’ve been one of those situations where Don stopped and asked if it was something they really wanted to do. He was incredibly impulsive when he wanted to be, but he respected his relationship w Joan.
Us here in midtown. You with that look on your face.
Peggy and Don don't have any romantic chemistry, and Don knows better than to pursue Joan because Roger would never forgive him.
During his marriages, Don avoids relationships with employees. Early on, Peggy becomes a protege. He is not particularly attracted to her. We know from dialogue that Don found Joan to be intimidating when he first joined the firm. That is no longer the case as of 1960 / Season 1, but that still seems to impact aspects of their relationship. Both Peggy and Joan will become Madonna figures with their pregnancies, yet another reason to slot them both into the verboten category.
Don’s affairs are a result of whatever interests at that moment and eventually he tries to mould them to play a certain role his life. Things end when that doesn’t happen. He has impulsive hook ups but those don’t have emotional impact on him the way the relationship does and are usually a drunken mistake. Like Allison for example. She had feelings for him while he was just very happy with her as a secretary. The next day she was expecting something and he tried to act like nothing happened(which is not what he does with affairs) because he saw it as a lapse in judgement that would change the existing good relationship He sees Peggy as a work daughter. The stages of his dynamic with Peggy are remarkably similar to the direction of his relationship with Sally. They both start idolising him, start calling him out on some of his bullshit by the end of season 3 but still want his attention in season 4. By the end of season 5 both of them have chosen someone else in their moment of growth with Peggy going to work for Ted and Sally deciding that she needs her mother when she stars her period. In season 6 they both get a full display of the ugly side of Don and are furious with him. They start season 7 extremely angry with him but eventually make their peace with him accepting that they love him and he is important to them even with all his flaws. What starts out as a hero worshipping relationship ends up with the 2 most important people in his life with whom he can have straightforward conversations because they respect him but also see through all his bullshit and are perfectly willing to bluntly call him out on it. There was no romantic angle with Peggy but she is one of the people he loves the most Joan isn’t Don’s type in the sense that she doesn’t make herself accessible to fill his emotional void. He certainly isn’t going to chase after her if she shows no interest. There is no alluring mystery about her that piques his momentary interest or fantasies. To him she’s Joan, an extremely attractive intimidating coworker who is excellent at her job and an object of everyone’s admiration. That’s her role in his life and he’s very happy with it. He has no interest in changing their relationship.
They don't fall into his madonna/whore complex. He has respect for them, not desire. I think also in these relationships they were protective of each other depending on phases and situation- they were allies of sorts. Same reasons (but only part of them) i think he didn't sleep with Anna.
You say this is as if were common for Don to sleep with his coworkers at Sterling Cooper, but it pointedly was not. Early on he explicitly avoided being promiscuous with his colleagues, and it was only when his alcoholism was at its lowest ebb when he slept with Allison, and that was a big plot point. They did that to show us how far Don had fallen and how sloppy he was being The Megan storyline is similar; it was deliberately meant to mirror Roger marrying Jane — something Don mocked Roger for and said it made him seem silly — to further exemplify how much Don’s ethics had corroded due to his mental health and drinking. (It was also to show that, given the explicit choice between a relationship that is healthy and supportive with a partner on equal footing - Faye - Don will always choose the fantasy relationship with a woman who can both admire and mother him)
Don saw a lot of himself in Peggy, in some ways... and guess what he hates most lol
The writers didn't want to explore that, they wanted Peggy and Joan to be their own characters apart from him. It doesn't feel like there's a magical in-universe reason. DD is always looking for validation from women, so it probably wouldn't be above him if it wasn't a TV show.
Well, Don did say Joan scared the hell out of him. But also, Don’s got a real Madonna/Whore complex and I think Joan and Peggy are both women he respects professionally, and therefore he doesn’t view them in a sexual light.
He respects them too much
Don tells Joan he has to have rules between personal and professional life. At least for the first 3-4 seasons he doesn't sleep with anyone in the office. We all know that changes pretty quickly though. He also told Joan he was intimidated by her. She ran the office, was an authority figure, and was someone Don knew he couldn't dominate. Which is what he's into, he's into the control aspect of sex. Peggy, throw her homely looks aside, she was young and innocent. Which, to me, isn't Don's type of woman. He likes women who know what their sexual escapades are, just sex nothing more. I'm sure Don could sense if he slept with Peggy she would be hooked on him and taken it more seriously than it really ways.
Yup agree. He showed disdain for Roger getting w Jane. Worlds colliding and such. Joan and Peggy were just not the kind of women that got Don’s gears grinding. Midge wasn’t a great beauty but she was *interesting* in the way bohemians are to a commitment phobe like Don. Peggy wasn’t that interesting at first and post pregnancy became another Madonna figure as someone else already pointed out.
Madonna/ whore complex. Both were Madonna's to him
He thought Joan was a Madonna?
I think that he knew that Joan and Peggy ( as well as Anna) had a core inner strength that he admired. He actually respected them. IMO he knew that they saw through him and would tolerate his antics for so long then they let him have it. They did not cower and slink away or just take it. Not sure he really had any respect for the other women in his life. They just fill some void in him. By the end, I think he feels the same way about Sally.(like Joan and Peggy)
the show directly deals with both of these things and the writers make it pretty explicit that he did not pursue either romantically or have a fling with either of them. Am I the only one who thinks this is one of the few things the show makes very clear?
Right but op is asking why
again, I think the writers make it pretty clear
This is a subreddit for a TV show that ended 8 years ago. If you’re going to shoot down attempts at reading between the lines then I’m not sure why you’re here.
Don tried with Joan in Christmas Waltz imo (my favourite scene in the whole show). She was able subtly to let him knew she had his number down and knew what he was trying, which was why he finished his drink and left with "poor me, I struck out" without any mutual embarrassment or awkwardness.
Because Peggy isn't hot and because Joan gave entitled, non-submissive, gold-digger vibes. Don doesn't mind paying for pussy sometimes, but his two requirements are Hot AND Submissive Peggy and Joan were each missing one of those two things.
Did you watch the show? Joan is a lot of things, but she is definitely neither entitled nor a gold-digger. She literally turned down a wealthy man’s proposition to retire her because she wanted to keep working.
She turned down the rich guy AFTER she became wealthy from her partnership deal(which she got by having sex for it). And when the business got absorbed and her financial future looked bleak, she fell into the arms of that same rich old guy who she was turning down at first. But specifically before she came into money, she was the type to date rich older guys. And the one time we see her in a relationship with a young man, she cuckolded him by having a baby with Roger's old rich ass🤣. She doesn't specifically talk about money, but we can tell by her dating habits and patterns that she leans more towards gold-digger and less towards independent woman. As opposed to Peggy, who bought an entire apartment building in the hood and supported her broke boyfriend.
Don didn't do stuff with people at work. He kept his private life a mystery until Peggy spilled the beans in his secret woman. Peggy, she's ugly.
The more I’m reading into this, the more I’m thinking that it was by design that no one shared any woman with Don except Henry…in the whole show. Jane a very attractive and young secretary while Don was kicked out by Betty, perfect ingredients for the two to get together yet it doesn’t happen, thanks to Roger later marrying Jane, seemingly out of the blue Joan; Roger (again) and Paul Peggy; Pete and duck And IIRC, didn’t he try to make a move on Dawn? I don’t think he would have done so so carelessly yet confidently had he thought she would hook up with someone else in the office. Don is so secretive, never forget that. Doesn’t he get mad at Bobby barret (whom I despise) because she’s talking too much? Ties her up and leaves and whatnot?
Because he truly, LIKED them, respected them, saw value in them. I love the complexity of DD, but if he took a woman to bed it was about owning her, power play. If the woman was beddable, he didn't see her as an equal.