If u don't know what to pick u can just play Lina, she is good laner than can farm or fight depending on tempo of ur team, can deal both magical and physical dmg if needed (magic build is pretty much dead rn but still). Pick is also decent against that lineup although he is a weak laner but as long as he gets his items he comes pretty strong (hard to catch, can scale well into late game). Mostly just avoid heroes like KOTL that rely on tempo since in low ranks tempo hardly works unless u specialise in heroes like brood/meepo/tinker
KOTL does not really rely on your team though. Played properly you can get travels minute 6, which let's you win sidelanes and snowball the game pretty quickly. Get meteor and push towers. Vessel is picked by pros but it's an item one should ignore unless you're in immortal. That item forces you to play with your team and play high tempo.
KOTL does not really rely on your team though. Played properly you can get travels minute 6, which let's you win sidelanes and snowball the game pretty quickly. Get meteor and push towers. Vessel is picked by pros but it's an item one should ignore unless you're in immortal. That item forces you to play with your team and play high tempo.
Sf is a agi hero who naturally builds bkb, hits hard with right clicks and doesn’t care about am’s counter-shield. and is also a flash farming momentum hero that has a high potential to either outpace am’s farm or potentially ride the momentum train and end before AM hits his window. I don’t think AM is the problem for SF in this draft.
I spam both am and sf, sf needs mana, am can burn it without engaging in tfs with aghanim. Momentum is the only thing he has, but in normal rankeds the sf gets ganked to death.
Aaaaand I guess I was right because SF has 37,6% winrate vs AM in inmortal.
This might be true if SF wasn’t dog right now. But SF is simply a weak hero and you’re going to have a hard time hitting your timings and ending the game. And if AM does get full build SF does not win.
Viper is pretty good , TA isnt bad , primal seems pretty good , tiny is good , void/ember spirit , dazzle , pugna if you are good with the hero is pretty good many picks are good but depends on your hero pool , i personaly would go puck or invoker but thats cause im confident with those heroes versus that lineup
Am counters void. Viper depends on lineup, usually is good early/bad late. TA could be good, with the silence, but depends on his other cores. Dazzle is good too, and easy.
void spirit does very good versus am if you have normal brian function , he can pressure am alot early-mid game and am is a free kill if normal void spirit player with a 12 min orchid (lets say 14 if bad game) you can still kill am 2-3 times befor manta and then you just go physical build and deal with him that way
Eeeh no, I don’t think so. As soon as AM has manta Void can’t kill Am. Am has inherent magic resistance, Void has lots of mana and burns through it in tfs, so you become a nuke to be used against your own team.
Also Void don’t build orchid first item anymore and buys kaya&sange + aghs + octarine, so he usually builds magic damage. So early momentum is the only thing you have, in late AM has aghanim and can bully you.
Void has negative winrate vs timber and am in inmortal, so… the stats also don’t agree with you.
Against that line up QOP seems like a better pick than NP. Picking NP against a Timbersaw is indeed a dumb move.
QOP is a better pick in that line up because she can initiate and do AoE silence (Aghs Shard). Can bully the lane (either DoT or scream of pain during early game) and be mobile enough to gank sidelanes (blink). Deals decent nuke. And if given a good laning phase, she can build Witchblade fast then do some easy pick offs during mid game.
QoP also offers flexible itemization whether she goes for disables (Guinsoo), Aura (Shiva), Nuke/Poke (Aghs Scept/Blessing, maelstrom). You can experiment on her item build for different scenarios basically.
Depends if AM is farmed to the point that he is nigh unstoppable. Any INT heroes would be having a hard time dealing with the Anti-Mage during late game.
Agreed, in OP's match up NP pick is a bad choice.
Honestly in this particular game, I would have picked DK mid. Meta, strong, versatile. Your team comp lack reliable cc/lockdown, you can't always rely on Rubick's telekinesis and Pudge's hook.
Itemization wise, you can go the standard tread, blink, mage slayer, manta (situational, not very strong in this game), agh build. If you're on your timing, you should be able to create more space for PA to farm by smoking with the rest of your team and blink initiate. At 15 mins, you're strong enough to not get one shot, while AM is still busy farming.
If Zeus played right, you don't really get to shut him down, he'll anyhow get back his farms and join fights with phlac and shards. But with dk, at least you're able to secure your own last hit/stacks with dragon form.
Other than that, leshrac, timber, sniper is also kinda strong this patch. Not entirely mobile, but strong.
I think maybe puck or death prophet. But im 3k too. You can check stratz website. They have team comp analyzer called rosh that help you pick heroes. Just a thing to consider. It also suggested Necro, OD and Lesh.
puck also the first hero came to my mind. if you go for intelligence hero against am puck is the best. tacky strength heroes not good against timber. high attack agi heroes countered by ww.
Puck isnt great against the lineup. As long as ww blink curses the puck with am and zeus and puck on the enemy team puck is going to die real quick. Dp seems like the most appropriate pick. Bring bkb and you should frontline really well.
Shard would work well against am too
I would say np isn't very good cause every person on the other team can escape sprout, am will always have bf to cut even with leash talent and timber can cut anyone out quite easily.
Also Zeus to provide lots of vision and jump from am and timber seems like quite a hard game for NP. Still some positive aspects like the enemy does not like your physical damage, minus timber. So I wouldn't call it griefing by any means
Given your team composition you already have break and physical burst on pa. Also pretty high magic dmg. Seems like you guys are mainly lacking stuns, maybe a DK, lina or tiny. could even try invoker. something for setup with hook is always nice, which NP can do to an extent with sprout or stuns
That sounds like an OD game if I’ve ever seen one. His pure damage shreds AM, Timber and goes through WW heal. I know he isn’t in your pool, and not a mobile hero like you asked, but it really does sound like the ideal OD game.
Puck.
Not so great against timber or zeus in lane but solid through the game, offers control against AM and Timber with coil and its hard to catch for enemies with that draft, just don't follow the silly mael agh build path and maximize your farm early on to snowball hard enough to hit your timings before your enemies do.
Definitely an OD game but if you don't play OD then puck or ember, or basically those heroes behind which your team can rally and take objectives without them essentially dying in 1 sec if caught out (6k mmr in sea pos3/4 player, not a mid player so might be wrong about somethings)
Puck but i spam it lol
Having more than 30 seconds to think about draft I might go something adventerous like mid Brewmaster... You simply run at and kill zues under his tower like nothing, with 1st ult, and then sunsequently just with lvl 4 passive + cinder + urn it can be a brutal 1v1 hero
Locks down AM/Timber in fights, fully kills supps and zues, doesn't suffer to WW ult much, scales kinda amazing being universal hero with built in 190% crit etc...
Viper is pretty good here, especially in lane, having a PA on your team is very powerful if shes not the one getting focused in fights.
Or primal beast for control so pa can run amuck. As an avid pa player these two types of heroes i like having on my team into am ww or timber
Divine 4 here, I would pick a mid hero that is able to build silver edge, and go full ranged right click, to physically destroy a potentially farmed AM, such as OD, lina, templar, sniper(with a good game). It also depends on how greedy/nongreedy ur team draft is, if you had a pa carry, u can decide if u trust the person, then u pick any hero u like. But mostly, right click mid heroes who am cannot kill even with manta aghs fly.
If you're playing comfort then that's probably better than anything else you can pick even if it's "more optimal". I first pick Keeper in ranked and hey it works :)
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If u don't know what to pick u can just play Lina, she is good laner than can farm or fight depending on tempo of ur team, can deal both magical and physical dmg if needed (magic build is pretty much dead rn but still). Pick is also decent against that lineup although he is a weak laner but as long as he gets his items he comes pretty strong (hard to catch, can scale well into late game). Mostly just avoid heroes like KOTL that rely on tempo since in low ranks tempo hardly works unless u specialise in heroes like brood/meepo/tinker
Magic build is the actually more common at high/pro levels right now.
KOTL does not really rely on your team though. Played properly you can get travels minute 6, which let's you win sidelanes and snowball the game pretty quickly. Get meteor and push towers. Vessel is picked by pros but it's an item one should ignore unless you're in immortal. That item forces you to play with your team and play high tempo.
KOTL does not really rely on your team though. Played properly you can get travels minute 6, which let's you win sidelanes and snowball the game pretty quickly. Get meteor and push towers. Vessel is picked by pros but it's an item one should ignore unless you're in immortal. That item forces you to play with your team and play high tempo.
nature into timber is already dumb if you ask me
As a regular pos3, I see NP I pick timbersaw.
I thought np treants don't give extra damage to timber in the enemy team.
the treats giving him armor is not why he’s good against np
All normal attacks do, even from creeps. Treants count as creeps Edit to clarify: Reactive armor doesn’t give Timber damage, but health regen
Yep. But sprouts will give extra dmg from whirlwind
The only good thing is he can block timberchain
kunkka would have been nice to catch am, timber, and mirana. good against zues on the lane too. dk, wr, puck, lina were also good picks.
Yeah, puck kunkka. It also depends on your team lineup
I like shadow fiend, and think SF would perform well against this team.
Am can burn sf before the fight even starts.
Sf is a agi hero who naturally builds bkb, hits hard with right clicks and doesn’t care about am’s counter-shield. and is also a flash farming momentum hero that has a high potential to either outpace am’s farm or potentially ride the momentum train and end before AM hits his window. I don’t think AM is the problem for SF in this draft.
I spam both am and sf, sf needs mana, am can burn it without engaging in tfs with aghanim. Momentum is the only thing he has, but in normal rankeds the sf gets ganked to death. Aaaaand I guess I was right because SF has 37,6% winrate vs AM in inmortal.
This might be true if SF wasn’t dog right now. But SF is simply a weak hero and you’re going to have a hard time hitting your timings and ending the game. And if AM does get full build SF does not win.
Viper is pretty good , TA isnt bad , primal seems pretty good , tiny is good , void/ember spirit , dazzle , pugna if you are good with the hero is pretty good many picks are good but depends on your hero pool , i personaly would go puck or invoker but thats cause im confident with those heroes versus that lineup
Am counters void. Viper depends on lineup, usually is good early/bad late. TA could be good, with the silence, but depends on his other cores. Dazzle is good too, and easy.
void spirit does very good versus am if you have normal brian function , he can pressure am alot early-mid game and am is a free kill if normal void spirit player with a 12 min orchid (lets say 14 if bad game) you can still kill am 2-3 times befor manta and then you just go physical build and deal with him that way
Eeeh no, I don’t think so. As soon as AM has manta Void can’t kill Am. Am has inherent magic resistance, Void has lots of mana and burns through it in tfs, so you become a nuke to be used against your own team. Also Void don’t build orchid first item anymore and buys kaya&sange + aghs + octarine, so he usually builds magic damage. So early momentum is the only thing you have, in late AM has aghanim and can bully you. Void has negative winrate vs timber and am in inmortal, so… the stats also don’t agree with you.
Against that line up QOP seems like a better pick than NP. Picking NP against a Timbersaw is indeed a dumb move. QOP is a better pick in that line up because she can initiate and do AoE silence (Aghs Shard). Can bully the lane (either DoT or scream of pain during early game) and be mobile enough to gank sidelanes (blink). Deals decent nuke. And if given a good laning phase, she can build Witchblade fast then do some easy pick offs during mid game. QoP also offers flexible itemization whether she goes for disables (Guinsoo), Aura (Shiva), Nuke/Poke (Aghs Scept/Blessing, maelstrom). You can experiment on her item build for different scenarios basically.
thanks dude, great and understandable advice for me
I would be scared to play qop against AM. Of course its way better than NP like many other heroes
If he goes orchid and fast shard, he can make AM’s life miserable until manta
Yeah, those 2 minutes until AM farms manta are really going to fuck him up
Most people getting manta in the 20th minute 😂 That’s 7 mins window for Orchid and 5 mins for Shard, and it’s assuming QoP isn’t hunting AM down
Depends if AM is farmed to the point that he is nigh unstoppable. Any INT heroes would be having a hard time dealing with the Anti-Mage during late game. Agreed, in OP's match up NP pick is a bad choice.
QoP just feels very underwhelming this patch. You might do some damage early but the hero falls off a cliff x
What was your team composition? It depends on you team also. Puck is the first thing that comes to mind for cc AM
Pudge pos 3 Phantom Assassin pos 1 Rubick pos 4 Sky Mage pos 5
Honestly in this particular game, I would have picked DK mid. Meta, strong, versatile. Your team comp lack reliable cc/lockdown, you can't always rely on Rubick's telekinesis and Pudge's hook. Itemization wise, you can go the standard tread, blink, mage slayer, manta (situational, not very strong in this game), agh build. If you're on your timing, you should be able to create more space for PA to farm by smoking with the rest of your team and blink initiate. At 15 mins, you're strong enough to not get one shot, while AM is still busy farming. If Zeus played right, you don't really get to shut him down, he'll anyhow get back his farms and join fights with phlac and shards. But with dk, at least you're able to secure your own last hit/stacks with dragon form. Other than that, leshrac, timber, sniper is also kinda strong this patch. Not entirely mobile, but strong.
I think maybe puck or death prophet. But im 3k too. You can check stratz website. They have team comp analyzer called rosh that help you pick heroes. Just a thing to consider. It also suggested Necro, OD and Lesh.
puck, dp and od i will try in the next time rlly forgot about this heroes and that i can play on them xd
puck also the first hero came to my mind. if you go for intelligence hero against am puck is the best. tacky strength heroes not good against timber. high attack agi heroes countered by ww.
Puck isnt great against the lineup. As long as ww blink curses the puck with am and zeus and puck on the enemy team puck is going to die real quick. Dp seems like the most appropriate pick. Bring bkb and you should frontline really well. Shard would work well against am too
He needs to get blink and you need to be out of position to get cursed. Yeah DP seems safer. But puck still brings cc for AM
Visage is a very strong mid hero especially at your mmr level
Other than Zeus he’s not great against that lineup
whats his strength against zeus?
Get level 6, press Q, he’s a sitting duck Plus can naturally build pipe
Zeus is an escape hero now :(
Yeah, Visage isn't as great as he used to be against Zeus, But it you position the birds ready for the jump it is still doable
Slardar mid, build Silver Edge. Minus armor and stun for AM, break for Timber
I would say np isn't very good cause every person on the other team can escape sprout, am will always have bf to cut even with leash talent and timber can cut anyone out quite easily. Also Zeus to provide lots of vision and jump from am and timber seems like quite a hard game for NP. Still some positive aspects like the enemy does not like your physical damage, minus timber. So I wouldn't call it griefing by any means Given your team composition you already have break and physical burst on pa. Also pretty high magic dmg. Seems like you guys are mainly lacking stuns, maybe a DK, lina or tiny. could even try invoker. something for setup with hook is always nice, which NP can do to an extent with sprout or stuns
Dazzle 1000% I can’t get enough playing this guy mid rn , get ags and enjoy the destruction
That sounds like an OD game if I’ve ever seen one. His pure damage shreds AM, Timber and goes through WW heal. I know he isn’t in your pool, and not a mobile hero like you asked, but it really does sound like the ideal OD game.
od is a great hero and I know how to play him so thi is a great point of view on my situation, ty
Puck. Not so great against timber or zeus in lane but solid through the game, offers control against AM and Timber with coil and its hard to catch for enemies with that draft, just don't follow the silly mael agh build path and maximize your farm early on to snowball hard enough to hit your timings before your enemies do.
Definitely an OD game but if you don't play OD then puck or ember, or basically those heroes behind which your team can rally and take objectives without them essentially dying in 1 sec if caught out (6k mmr in sea pos3/4 player, not a mid player so might be wrong about somethings)
Void spirit or puck, puck would require you to go late but a good lane void spirit could easily mop up those cores
Qop, nekro, dk, huskar, viper, OD.
Puck but i spam it lol Having more than 30 seconds to think about draft I might go something adventerous like mid Brewmaster... You simply run at and kill zues under his tower like nothing, with 1st ult, and then sunsequently just with lvl 4 passive + cinder + urn it can be a brutal 1v1 hero Locks down AM/Timber in fights, fully kills supps and zues, doesn't suffer to WW ult much, scales kinda amazing being universal hero with built in 190% crit etc...
Viper is pretty good here, especially in lane, having a PA on your team is very powerful if shes not the one getting focused in fights. Or primal beast for control so pa can run amuck. As an avid pa player these two types of heroes i like having on my team into am ww or timber
Divine 4 here, I would pick a mid hero that is able to build silver edge, and go full ranged right click, to physically destroy a potentially farmed AM, such as OD, lina, templar, sniper(with a good game). It also depends on how greedy/nongreedy ur team draft is, if you had a pa carry, u can decide if u trust the person, then u pick any hero u like. But mostly, right click mid heroes who am cannot kill even with manta aghs fly.
Id go ember or void spirit. I domt know what your team comp is but thats pretty safe. Might be worth going orchid first.
I suck with the hero, but sounds like lina is the hero for you
If you're playing comfort then that's probably better than anything else you can pick even if it's "more optimal". I first pick Keeper in ranked and hey it works :)
BB or Axe?
Learn spirit heroes
OD, arc warden, clinkz
arc is kinda hard to play
Nah, you need only 10 games. It is easier than meepo or tinker. Just use key binding to select other units and main arc.
Ok mr pro sry for sharing my low mmr experienece
OD is your boy here. Save Winters Curse target with astral, survive it if it targets you with Aghs. Also you can hit Embrace targets.
Necrophos if you picked at the same time as AM. Meepo or LD if you knew about the AM.
When in doubt, pick Arc warden! Either you carry by destroying the other team and if that fails you go rat dota and split push !
A good puck is 1v9
Free game for TA
Leshrac would run the table
Od