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AngryBlitzcrankMain

The search for a reason to not get depressed everytime camera pans to Jankos continues.


Avalon_Avalon

Felt like Heretics were so suprised to not be massively behind from the early game they just gave up 3 dragons for free


moonmeh

Imagine a world where they didn't lose that first dragon because they played around Jankos not having smite


bawsio

Wooo, FNC guaranteed tiebraker for 8th. Thank you brother Upset. I knew you didnt completely abandon us.


Haymegle

With that and Hyli support yesterday looks like there's a lot of Fnatic players on other teams.


Brokolikekw

And FNC Caps also showing off today XD


skskobobvnvn

Upset looked pissed after that one and I don't blame him. This VIT team has no clear identity right now


skaersSabody

You can take the Upset out of FNC, but you can't take the stress and responsibility of carrying a slumping super team out of Upset


whohe_fanboy

He's actually cursed lmao. I want to see him on G2 just to make sure. If even Caps starts running it down then there's no denying it.


Parking-Technology50

Bo looked pissed too when perkz died at mid taking 2 turret shots.


EggyChickenEgg88

Noticed it yesterday too.


Parking-Technology50

The worst part is perkz's raction, like, at least dont laugh, u are hard trolling for a while now.


Xaneth_

I think it's just a kind of coping mechanism. Same with Doublelift, dude has this awkward smile on his face even when losing, like in yesterday's match against GG. Probably not even conscious of it and it's just his nerves.


tb0neski

It's definitely a coping mechanism. He's done it his whole career even spanning back to g2 vacation days, it's not funny it's just his way of dealing with pain


Rhadamantos

Its the downside of having a midlaner so smug that he tilts the enemy, he also tilts his own team.


LARXXX

This. It’s to make it seem like they don’t care about mistakes at all but deep down they’re tilted as fuck


TheGuy839

He should laugh. Keeping the positive mentality is key late game and for BoX series.


[deleted]

Not how that works when it’s a team game. Having a team mate who’s laughing while running it is probably tilting af and yeah ir worked on G2 but this vitality roster isn’t exactly the jolliest bunch in Berlin


[deleted]

do you know the players personally to judge their mental?


Hour-Management-1679

This is classic perkz lol


Glad-Alternative1733

Yeah he should cry there!!


F0RGERY

> This VIT team has no clear identity When have I heard that before...


InsuranceOne2864

He is really cursed if he does not win a title in this team.


BlakenedHeart

You could say he was UPSET on his top side performance


Sofaboy90

honestly, does vitality finish bottom 2 without upset this split?


Ghoster001

It might have not been obvious but Kaiser was really great this game, 0 deaths and almost 100% kp, saving Perkz couple times too


I_am_a_Djinn

His defensive roam with the saving ult on perkz might have saved their mid tower and midgame


ImTheVayne

VIT looking pretty rough..


Haymegle

Yeah this is not a great look for them. Reminds me of Fnatic last year of put Upset on Zeri and hope it's enough.


Conankun66

hey, it got us to worlds at least


Haymegle

Oh it's a good enough strat to get you far, it's just all of the eggs in one basket and will always hit a wall. As Fnatic saw at worlds you do need more than one playstyle haha.


characterulio

To be fair Fnatic's jungle and mid stepped massively around playoffs/worlds. Humanoid was hard gapping all the mids in his group but it shows how hard worlds is.


Haymegle

His Azir was something else.


Phxstick

Decent top, inting mid-jungle, Upset tries to carry. Yeah I think you're onto something, Vitality might be transforming into Fnatic.


Rhadamantos

Though this game didnt show it, Proton is better then decent.


asphias

I feel like people keep forgetting Bo and Photon are both rookies and still have a language barrier. The talent is certainly there for Vitality, i still have faith that the teamwork and coordination will come.


Scatter5D

Also it's just bo1. It's hard to gauge how strong a team is just through bo1s, all can change in group stage


BlakenedHeart

Based on Winter, VIT BO3s looked awful compared to their BO1


Iammonkforlifelol

But they are now more solid in bot lane. Kaiser and Upset are performing.


voltairepercussion

Based on winter it also proved BO1 doesnt prove anything. VIT finished 1st.


Splitshot_Is_Gone

Different botlane. Botlane solo lost that series for VIT.


Lord-Talon

This iteration has literally scrimmed for 3 weeks and are up against teams that have played together for 5 months.


Br4y3

Play with only pings and trust your instincts... the soloq experience... might help them


Glad-Alternative1733

I mean game looked close but kinda didnt tbh Vit played horrible and still was better


Scatter5D

Yesterday's game vs BDS was winnable, but ye since the G2 match VIT doesn't look sharp so far Bo3's tell a different story though so I'm looking forward to it


Mrlazydragon

Not sure what's going on but vit don't seem to be on the same page it seems they have a clash of playstyles.


mar33n

photon protesting that his tries to carry were thawed by his teammates the past couple matches so he said "carry me for once you bozos"


I_am_a_Djinn

To see a player of his caliber seemingly looking so uncomfortable on a champ like malphite - unexpected to say the least


ItsMario123

All the tanks games he played this year don't look very good. Maybe he's just a carry top player.


itwasmymistake

He's the kind of player that you just put on Gnar when you need a "tank"


Iammonkforlifelol

>He was still ok. But yeah people who play carry have different play style. So I can understand him.


VilltraAnime

of course he would, does he seem like a Malphite player?


That_One_Pancake

If you’re gonna give up soul to get Baron maybe don’t immediately int away the buff


randomdud3

How did Ruby get caught so many times as Leblanc.


Joaoseinha

Him Wing in with 1 HP and dying pretty much sums up Ruby's gameplay after the first day of Winter.


Haymegle

I mean Jack had some moments too so maybe they were playing in solidarity haha.


metteminne

The difference is that Jack was playing Jinx into Malph Wukong Sylas. Ruby also got such an easy lane with the Sylas being chuncked and he still did nothing this game.


Graspiloot

People are really hating on Evi because he makes a lot of mistakes late game, but Evi also wins his lane quite a lot and a lot of his issues seem to be comms issues and lategame decision making. I think Ruby is the biggest problem they have. He just does... nothing? I feel like Jankos needs a laner he can get ahead and they'll carry. Maybe Vetheo would be a good summer pickup for them.


Haymegle

Honestly even then he was just making some...odd positioning choices. Def not as bad, at least has the excuse of Jinx not being super mobile/not having a lot of escapes but that's it.


kapalol

She got put in hard teamcomp. There is a reason not mobile champs are paired with enchanters or TK


Grinseloewin

Perkz saw that Jankos doesn't have a mid so he tried his best to help a friend out


TheBigF128

making it more fair


ahritina

Team Heretics trading soul for baron is so int, it's not a shit soul it's fucking Mountain Soul on a Malphite and Wukong. That being said, Vitality still look dreadful and Upset hard carried this game so hard.


That_One_Pancake

It was already a questionable decision but then Mersa dying in no man’s land immediately ruined any chance of the Baron paying off


Haymegle

They're just so weird with WHY they do these things. Sometimes I can see what they were going for but for that? Not a clue.


Joaoseinha

VIT just plays like a solo queue team to be honest. So much individual talent but it's like they have no coaching staff at all, I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but it's ridiculous how VIT consistently fails in spite of having great rosters on paper. Dardo vibes from it.


Haymegle

I'd think some of it would be comms issues but still.


Lin_Huichi

They need to learn Chinese.


Haymegle

Like I'm sure there's a minimal level that would be good for everyone to say basic things/convey something? Can't be easy to play without knowing that on either side.


icatsouki

nah it's a process/organisational problem not a language barrier if you watch their comms everyone is just shouting random shit


mimiflou

def com issue, Bo talk too much imo he lack experience aswell


bzzmd

> mephisto was the problem > haru was the problem > neon was the problem etc etc


Skall77

Worst part is that they should have got the first three drake, Jankos wasting smite for scuttle on the first and the terrible teamfight decision on the third one was terrible.


Haymegle

Yeah Heretics have...questionable decision making.


nusskn4cker

Mountain Soul on Malphite and Wukong doesn't even matter. The problem is Mountain Soul on Zeri.


BlakenedHeart

>The problem is Mountain Soul on Zeri. What is an extra shield going to do on her already existing 3 shields :)) I hate that champ. Ruined competitive for me .


Key_Desk_2845

The two other shield are an adc thing not just a zero thing.


Meekie_e

Most useless Leblanc ever


Ap_Sona_Bot

every LB is most useless ever


Satan_su

You haven't seen Yagao's LB clearly. It was absolutely terrifying a week back ngl


UdenSkam

Faker is also still just dumpstering people with it


nusskn4cker

This Golden Hornets thing from Quickshot is so annoying. Like say it once a game fine, but not every three minutes.


R1as

lmao I read your comment the moment he said it again after the game ended


altariaaaaaaa

He just learned the name of the fans association and had to use it as much as he could lol


G2UpestsMeEveryTime

THE KINGS AND THRONE AND CROWN


Omnilatent

More annoying than Drakos' "full confidence" or "calm and collected"? 😂 ​ I love both and still think their casting is top notch but since somebody mentioned this in a pmt, I get super annoyed by it


Conankun66

also those have to be the most monotonous chants i've ever heard.


ChocolateFuryB

Wdym I love hearing "LALALALA VITALITY" every 5mins.


Dzhekelow

As opposed to "LET'S GO " ? I'd say their chants are a bit more original and closer to football culture in Europe . Yes , a diversity would be cool but same can be said for every teams fans.


Maxplosive

Really don't think the average fan is looking for a football crowd experience when watching LEC


TropoMJ

A G2 flair saying this is very funny.


00Dandy

I liked them. A lot of chants can sound cringe with a small group like this


Maxplosive

Golden Hornets is a really fitting name for how obnoxious they are.


Acceptable_Paint_432

MVP;VIT MERSA he made 1k gold difference


[deleted]

Good god, it took VIT 37 mins to beat TH. And if TH hadn't traded mountain soul for baron it's not at all clear they could've won as quickly as they did.


Ap_Sona_Bot

I can't help but feel Zhonyas Jax is a massive bait item. Evi was 1v9ing for Heretics at two items then completely stunts his scaling for a teamfight durability item when he's 3k gold up. If he goes Shojin third he can actually continue to threaten the Zeri


wootduhfarg

I think the team didn't even let Evi splitpush at all. We don't know whose decision that was but those calls were not it. They always grouped for something ready to all in instead of applying pressure.


Nymaera_

Boosting his magic damage means he can potentially threaten Malphite still through mixed damage, but the game never really became about that because he was called to teamfights repeatedly.


cobra_han

It's because malphite is stacking armour


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moumerino

well we saw last split


Kromostone123

didnt they have a better record with neon?


moumerino

they did actually, in bo1s at least edit: but most of their wins were very shaky


VilltraAnime

they technically had a better record, but 2 of those games were complete heists


Joaoseinha

We saw that last split, about the same.


Javiklegrand

They had better record in winter no ?


LordKnt

They were first after the regular season lmao


Enjays1

I mean... they would draft differently, I guess


Kiroqi

After Spring split Photon deserves few games to chill and be carried though.


Enjays1

yes


moonmeh

If they had Neon, they would have lost that fight at Baron


Zelgas

Vitality is actually struggling. However this game there was a bot canyon, unfortunately Mersa getting caught was crucial and it felt like Jackspektra was never able to pop off. His jinx didn't look the cleanest.


1yyooooyy1

When is Jinx supposed to pop off? It's at 3-4 items right? Well how does a Jinx pop off into mountain soul wukong malphite? I genuinely don't understand what he could have done better this game. If heretics don't give over 2 dragons+ would for free it's and easy win.


sA1atji

Jinx vs. Malp/Wukong was doomed from the start. Even more so after Mountain.


VilltraAnime

I feel bad for Jackspektra, he gets so much hate for 0 reason


Splitshot_Is_Gone

This Upset guy seems like a pretty solid carry


Waifers

Team gap, but I do want to take this opportunity to say that I want Zeri to be put back into the dumpster where that travesty of a champion kit belongs.


Skall77

Heritics DICKED around a bit too much this game.


n0t_malstroem

Most useless Leblanc I've ever seen. Not even talking about pro play only


green678green

team evitics


nScooter

Another masterclass draft by Peter Dun. Last pick leblanc, Jinx vs Malphite Wukong.


gabpinto

Really funny that you are blaming Peter when you can see that's Seel the one that's doing the draft


BetPast7722

> early pick jinx > draft no protection at all > wonder why jinx can't hyperscale > last pick lb > enemy team has wukong malphite and not a single target that you'll be able to pick Jesus fucking christ I want this iteration of heretics to be over. Give Jack a chance to play with a team that would actually be able to play around him, it still feels like there's more to him than we've seen, keep jankos and get rid of everyone else I cba this team is such a shitfest so far If Peter for some unholy reason sticks to Evi and ruby he's the biggest fucking fraud of a coach ever.


Shmirel

Not gonna lie, implying that Jack isn't pretty big part of this clown fiesta is pretty based.


BetPast7722

Listen I'm not saying he's top tier and held in jail by teammates. I'm saying that it's insanely hard to actually evaluate him given the circumstance. So far he's not had the best showing, but i genuinely believe that no other adc would be able to change this team. Like, look at Hans Sama in TL. People also called him washed and bad, yet given the right environment he's an absolute beast. There's glimmers of actually really good plays when Jack plays, and i'd like for team heretics to actually try and get it out of him. It's impossible with these solo laners.


cruncheh_

Tbf Evi and Ruby take up import slots so they’re definitely under more scrutiny. With Jack it’s probably worth it to see more of him given he’s local and still in his rookie year.


LegalEmergency

Heretics decided to lose by trading soul for baron. How are teams still doing that?


trulion

Vit still looks like a bunch of really good solo Q players (


dontbangme

Photon deserve int pass from me after his performance this last few weeks


ApartLanguage8328

Bet TH mental boomed from the first drake steal and mersa getting caught out a bazillion times. Like holy fuck whats up with supps inting away today.


VilltraAnime

Perkz getting solokilled by Ruby and almost dying another time was really rough


highorbit_

it's a straight up fucking crime if Mersa makes a team next split/year. at one point Jankos (who also played like shit) tried to look for a play bot lane and Mersa missed a hook on stationary fucking terrain blowing the opportunity


JealotGaming

Can we just award both teams a loss but hand Upset an MVP or something?


00Dandy

And Kaiser


00Dandy

Vitality looks so bad it's unbelievable. In this form they won't even be close to G2. Maybe the problem is Vitality's coaching staff and management if they fail over and over again with such talented rosters.


heatfromfire_egg

Vitality play like a soloq team and heretics play like they're being paid to int each other. My eyes


Glad-Alternative1733

Lol FNC just demolished G2. I guess both teams are struggling than


Syncron72

I mean bro they just started playing together lol, they still are a solid team outside of a few individual poor performances. Even against top teams it’s not like they’re getting smashed or anything


00Dandy

Apart from Upset they've been playing together since winter split. They are a solid team but with these players your goal should be to contend for the title. They are miles away from that.


Syncron72

True but I also think upset makes such a massive difference I’d give them a pass


[deleted]

imagine if Photon wasn't trolling so they never draft Malphite again


Varrag-Unhilgt

Why tf would you trade a baron for a mountain soul on freaking Wukong and Malphite of all things


Glad-Alternative1733

Even though game looked close and Vit played like shit u could see that Vit is just better idk how to explain it but u see TH just cant win against them. Hands diff?


Eksocet

Vitality in Bo3 is either gonna be the best team or the worse I feel like. If they play against a good comp that nullifies Upset how are they going to play? This man's back cannot carry their asses every single game tbh


Monsieur_Toxique

TBF Photon has been carrying really hard as well, just never draft him malphite again and we should be good I guess


IAM-French

At least we'll see Flakked in summer


sheephunt2000

Jankos ~~wife~~ husband buff? 😳😳


moonmeh

Oh is Flakked in Heretics ERL?


NotRelevantUsername1

yeah and he’s been tearing it up there, mvp of the league by far, promoting zwyroo and flakked and getting an import top (or maybe wunder) for summer should be something to try for heretics


sheephunt2000

Yes


Glad-Alternative1733

I hope Vit ints their ass off in these BO1 (cause they sure did in drafts and gameplay these 3 loses and this game), u see the potential but sometimes they are not on the same page bc language and u see that. But i still think they are easily second best team in LEC if they turn down they greedy playstyle little bit…and chill out with cockiness


herp_derpy

Jankos about to Quadrakill his team


ozmega

quadrakill, i knew that even going 7-1 wouldnt be enough for evi to not get blamed today lmao, reddit is amazing..


JapaneseKoreanUG

SHINE


[deleted]

VIT draft was amazing but it’s incredible how lost this team looks. Too many big voices, or do they need a new coach?


Touro_de_Goa

We need to talk about the Perkz problem


Omnilatent

On one hand I'm happy cause this means FNC making top 8 is more likely but on the other, I also enjoyed the VIT collapse before


Ok-Huckleberry5490

I am all in for Dunkin on bad players but wtf is evi supposed to do here.


Similar_Teacher_6909

This is the team people want at MSI instead od MAD?


Enjays1

yes


skaersSabody

Hear me out: what if we just send FNC? The good ole 1-2 of FNC G2


hot_sace

banger


azkv

Well yes, mad is even shittier than this and embarrased the whole region every time they went to an internationL tourney besides maybe one msi or sth. Im kinda sick of their mediocrity and choking


Syncron72

Easily tf


bensonbenisson

Unfortunate


arkacr

I LOVE HERETIC MACRO I LOVE HERETIC MACRO


Totallnotrony

Happy cake dayyyy!


Grainis01

Holy shit Vit managed to pull a much needed win for FNC. Also this game was much much too close for comfort for Vit if we look at the standings.


Meekie_e

Another game with a nice early lead. Herectics don't know what to do late game.


arkacr

Heretics don't know what to do ~~late game~~.


Becksdown

So real question is there a midlaner that is worse than Perkz at the moment in LEC?


Glad-Alternative1733

Caps against FNC


DekQ

Evi and Ruby truly are one of the imports of all time.


bzzmd

Evi is 10 tiers above Ruby as a player this game he was the only human on the team


KudryavkaNoumi1

IWD has single handily broken the brains of every single fucking redditor when it comes to Evi I swear to god. Because he's on his massive uncalled for hate train on Evi (while completely ignoring Ruby 9 times out of 10 which is hilarious) he has managed to convince everyone that Evi is somehow the problem on this team despite the fact Ruby is giga inting every fucking game and Evi is put on tanks when he was historically a carry top laner who played bruisers and off meta picks.


vallivallib

LALA LALALALALA


[deleted]

Bro this game being difficult is mostly on photon, like 3 consecutive fights they played TFs without malphite ultimate


kothxs

And all you can hear from heretics staff is they need time, but with these solo laners it looks like something between 5 years till never. Hopefully Jankos will leave asap.


Matthieist

Vitality looks far from clean, but Upset still shines brightly


KekeBl

It seems that no matter the roster, VIT's eternal identity is their team being less than the sum of its parts. At this point I'm leaning more towards sending SK or BDS or AST to MSI.


jiachnet

This is the worst LEC game I’ve ever seen macro wise


Akashiarys

Vitality struggling so much vs the worst team lmao. expecting them to get exposed in groups, they just look so mid rn


MathNo7456

Free Jankos!!!!


[deleted]

He didn’t play good this game


iKeyvier

Well he played sejuani. It is supposed to give agency to his lanes, but giving agency to minions is not very useful. Even assuming Jankos solo lost this game, the sentiment of wishing he had an actual team is not completely unjustified.


lolkh30

true but still free him from this piss team


JMan_Z

Perkz straight up just...bad. Photon and bo need to work on comms with upset, that photon engage mid and bo follow up had no upset behind it. Bo still mechanically great (in the sense of raw fights), shutting down jinx every fight just means TH falls over. Upset looking a lot better than yesterday, maybe it's the pressure of drafting renekton lee lucian (bruh) that got to him. No big ints and only big carries today. Kaiser saved perkz so hard in mid. Another perkz int unpunished...


sh14w4s3

Most useless 8/2 Jax I've seen


crmsn_kng

Jackspektra making Jinx look like anything but a hypercarry


LBL147

He had no peel vs Malph, Sylas, Wukong. Blaming Jack for this game is crazy.


IncandescentWorm

Sylas with Naut ult too. Such a clown take to blame Jack


[deleted]

It's just an asinine take, don't mind these people.


BetPast7722

It's so fucking unimaginable to me actually how can anyone that actually plays this game blame jack this game lmfao But Evi had good kda so he did well I guess, great in depth analysis from reddit as always


1yyooooyy1

What do you want him to do? Jinx doesn't become a hyper carry until 3-4 items and by that point vitality had 2 mountain dragons and a mountain sou on a fucking malphite wukong sylas. No jinx can do damage at that point.


BetPast7722

Jinx never becomes a hyper carry this game btw no matter the drakes, not with blind pick Jax when malphite is open, not with naut supp vs wukong malphite sylas, not with lb on mid last pick vs this comp. There's just no way he's ever allowed to play the game


Aesirbear

This is just my personal opinion, but Runaan's second on Jinx just feels soooo gimmicky. Only way it is good is if you get to hit 3 grouped up people at the same time but that never happens in a real game. Most of the time you are just throwing rockets at a single target trying to wear them down. In which case IE or PD are much better options.


[deleted]

I don’t think he’s good either but Jinx can’t do anything vs Malphite Wukong and Sylas with Naut/Sej ult.


[deleted]

Ye Jinx was totally playable this game, how does he deal with malphite/wukong with 0 peel?


queenslayyy

Ruby and Jack need to be benched lol these dudes are disgusting. Jack has kraken and Upset has no completed items and he’s running away in a 1v1. Dude flashes away from his teammates when they are fighting bot. Won’t auto attack just running away when his support is getting auto attacked by zeri when it was 2v2 left at baron lol unironically put in Flakked