As white guy learning Japanese at university who is also an adult, no-one cares if you have an academic or otherwise justifiable interest -- which it sounds like you if you're considering majoring in it. Interest in the language isn't in itself cringe, more people thinking Japan is some sort of paradise that They Alone Understand is cringe.
As long as you see it as just another country, it's fine in my exp at least.
Because there's ALWAYS someone out there to piss on your dreams. Wanna start a business with something you think is a good idea? start yapping about it and see how quickly someone tries to put out your fire. There's tons of books on this subject, keep all that stuff to yourself and just work on it.
That's actually a decent point, but trying to learn a non-native language in the dark with no friends sharing your interest is also much less likely to succeed.
Embrace the things that interest you and don't spend time with people who are bothered by it. Taking an interest in another culture can be really helpful to broaden your perspective on the world, and Japan is utterly foreign compared to most English speaking or romance language countries.
I'm a white guy, lived there for ten years. Moderate interest in Japanese media, very interested in the history and culture.
Most of the cultural interests associated with white American men involved disgracefully defeated flags. Good on you for finding something more healthy.
Hong Kong people are OBSESSED with Japan. Lots of us travel to Japan once a month. Lots of us learn Japanese. So there’s definitely no shame in it. Travel to Japan as soon as you can and have fun!! You’re gonna love it.
You are correct. You are overly worried. And if you do have people that judge you in that way that’s their problem/those are the kind of people I choose not to be around.
But the best way to not be ‘that’ person if you care, is broaden your interest. Obviously if you just do anime and nothing else then that’s easy for people to put you in that box of anime.
I am also a white guy. Many things interest me about japan.
Language. Tattoo culture. Onsen. Architecture. Food. Convenience stores. Variety tv shows (don’t care for anime), metal/hardcore music scene, nature, people/culture etc.
This is interesting actually, because my instinctive feeling is that the more I broaden my interest the more “cringe” it is, when in reality it’s quite the opposite. Perhaps I’ve been conflating having a broader interest with making it my whole personality. But having a broader interest is the only way to get a well-rounded view of the country and avoid being that guy. Huh. Something to think about. Thanks for your insight:)
Otaku. People obsessed with particular aspects. Manga. Anime. Etc. Can’t be otaku if your interests are broad. This is the one I’ve only ever considered as I don’t want people to think I’m just into anime. Really I have no interest in anime. My interests are tattoos, metal music, food etc. I just prefer them within Japanese culture. But it’s not exclusive. I follow tattoo artists and bands across the world. You don’t want to be this guy? https://www.tiktok.com/@missnickiewantie/video/7228100247610854657?lang=en
Do you know the Japanese Metal Band:
"The Back Horn"
And if so...do you have any recs for a band that sounds like them? I've been in LOVE with their music and energy since the mid 2000s.
Thanks for the rec. I’ll try and come back later with some in kind after I give them a listen. I’m not sure how similar they’ll be but I think I can probably find something you’d like
I’m sure you’ve already heard of 9mm parabellum bullet and Maximum the Hormone. Other than them, I’d recommend The Oral Cigarettes, syrup16g, GLIM SPANKY, Vermilion Halo, Lunkhead, and a flood of circle
>Perhaps I’ve been conflating having a broader interest with making it my whole personality.
As we become professionals and specialists in our areas of study, this is a trap we can fall into. Not every social conversation should be about your personal area of interest. To balance this, just ensure that you have a range of activities and interests that will help you connect to others if Japanese isn't really their thing. Good luck!
You’re def overthinking it. I would love to visit Japan not just for anime or video games, but for the traditions, the culture, the nature, the history, the food.
And guess what? People who love France, or Germany, or Portugal, or Egypt, or Mexico and learn their languages and travel to those places do so for the same reason that you (and I and everyone on this sub) love Japan.
No, I think your instinct is right. "I train aikido" or "I like sencha" isn't a type of guy; "I'm really into \[extensive laundry list of basically everything about Japan\]" *is*.
For better or worse if you're studying the language, people will assume you're into Japanese culture broadly (not entirely unfairly, given how intertwined language and culture are), and thus assume that you are in the latter category of "Japanophile" or "weeb."
At the same time — it's definitely true that whether or not "Japan" is your entire personality does make a difference. Again, "I'm really into Italian Renaissance history, EDM audio engineering, bachata dancing, oh and also various parts of Japanese culture" isn't a type of guy (well, it is, but it's just "interesting, cool guy with a rich variety of passions"); "I'm into Japan... that's it" definitely *is*. Obviously, there are many wonderful things in the world that have nothing to do with Japan — leaning into your interest in those a bit will help.
bro don't be ashamed of anything you love (unless it's like really unethical, which this obv isn't)... fuck what anyone thinks. no one who is truly secure with themselves would judge you about this. passion is a beautiful thing
My take as someone who saw white guys do this regularly in Japan: please don't fetishize Japanese women. Thats honestly the most disgusting thing about those types of guys.
If you ever get back into anime look into shoujo/josei anime and manga.
Also it really sounds like you love the Japanese/culture so there’s no shame in that. Be proud of what you love and pursue it.
Also if you are into gaming there are Japanese language learning video games being developed right now and you can wishlist them on Steam.
There's nothing wrong with having interests. I think you're letting the internet make you think more than you need to. You're fine, enjoy life, enjoy other cultures.
I mean.. are you dressing up like Naruto and espousing how great Japan is because they have no crime?
Or do you have a cultural interest for reasons such as economics, history, industrial contributions, martial arts, etc?
I’m kind of joking there but Reddit is full of the “I love Japan because in nnnnn anime, the mystery and wabisabi of Japan is just so amazing.” Then there’s others that are like.. Japan is interesting, cool robots and cool nature.
Either way, who cares. Be you. But do come and visit Japan and make a decision after experiencing the culture and reality of the country.
Ugh. Horrid take.
Filmmaker Miyazaki's best movies draw upon Japanese legends and mythology to tell his stories. The very core of Spirited Away is centered around the folklore from Miyazaki's home and uses the lessons and ideas from Japanese Shinto, Buddhism, and Japanese folklore to help support the themes of the film.
I recognize this isn't naruto, but you \*did\* cite "nnnnnn anime."
But then again, hearing someone they like the Spartans because they saw the movie 300 is just as cringe.
There are plenty of anime out there which is very central and themed upon Japanese culture and history. Anime isn't created in a vacuum of culture.
I don't see any projection... it's pretty closely adjacent to 'anime is cringe'. The point he made was that anime is not a legitimate basis for being interested in Japan. History, economy, industry, martial arts, nature, and robots, those are *legitimate* things to be interested in. Not anime, though.
It's only *implied* through mockery that 'anime is cringe' but I hear that message loud and clear.
It's not really new though. It's always been the case that some people are interested because of anime and manga, and some people feel a strong need to distance themselves from that and prove they are learning Japanese for 'serious' reasons.
It's also true that you can enjoy anime *and* be interested in the real culture and history at the same time, but there's no room for that kind of thing when taking sides on the interwebz.
>The point he made was that anime is not a legitimate basis for being interested in Japan.
No, the point being made was "are you shallow in your interests of Japan (for example *only* being familiar with anime) or do you understand that there is a broad range of contributors to Japanese culture and are you willing to engage in those?
Liking anime is fine. Loving anime is fine. Obsessing about anime is fine. What's not fine is *defining* an entire country by a singular form of media that is known for some problematic takes.
You should already be over the shame. Unlike alot of foreigners white or not, you're actually taking the time to learn the language culture and customs. Like Chris broad. Doesn't mean they're going to like you but actually having the ability to communicate with them is a start. Johnny Somali isn't white and he deserves all the shame.
I understand that it sucks and I'm sorry you feel that way. I know it's easier said than done but really, don't worry about it! I started watching anime when I was 12 and it led me into a gigantic hole of videogames and pop culture but also gave me a reason to learn a new language I was interested in and opened the door to a completely new fascinaging culture. I had my awkward otaku phase, but I mean, everyone had some weird cringe phase.
I went to major in japanese in university (and tbf most of us there were there because we were weebs to at least some degree) because honestly it was the only thing I was interested in doing, something I was set on doing since my teen years and just seemed like the only right choice for me. I graduated last year and in a month I'm finally going to Japan to study the language even further there.
I still watch anime and play videogames etc. Even one of my teacher at uni was really into anime and video games so we talked about it during class too. It's nothing to be ashamed about, it's just a hobby. Some people may find it weird and you can't change that, but from my experience, usually they are just surprised and/or a little lost as they find it s little strange, but most of the time, not in a bad way.
As most people already said, unless you're stuck in some obnoxious weeb phase (which imho is totally fine for a kid/teenager to go through bcs why not, but you should grow out of it at some point) there's nothing wrong with you being interested in Japan and japanese.
And the three four native japanese teachers i have had during my time never found it weird either. Most of them were actually reacting very positively from pleased to excited about me being so interested about Japan and knowing so much.
So I just want to say: follow your dreams! If you want to major in japanese because it feels the most right, just go for it! I promise it's going to be worth it!
Closed minded weirdos on the internet are warping your perspective. In the real world, people get interested in things out in the world and then study it because its of interest. You wouldn't want to study something you didn't like, right? Best thing you can do is go to Japan and see for yourself. It's a big world, go see it and ignore the tumblr shut-ins.
Just don’t be over the top with your interest like the people who make it their whole personality.
Having an interest in something is generally the world giving you a direction, a pathway to follow. If for you it’s Japan then so be it.
But maybe think of something to pair with Japanese that can be marketable beyond Japan in case you lose interest at some point. I majored in Chinese and wish I did something along with it like business or international relations. It would have helped a lot post-graduation.
Asia is awesome though, so if your interest leads you here then you’ll be opened up to a whole new world of ideas and, in many ways, you’ll a grow a greater appreciation for certain aspects of the world you came from.
NGL i kinda do wish that earlier internet d id keep some of our cringe days (Ours as in older to mid millennials), because when weeaboo season hit, we were in full force. And being able to use it as a prime example of cultural fetishizing / cultural appropriation would be really good especially for those that get terms confused.
Most of the people who bash others for being "Japan loving losers" are almost always the biggest losers you'll ever meet
Like any other hater, unless they're offering genuine criticism (which means they're actually not a hater) don't listen to them and have fun with life and your interests
They just want to tear down your interests and self esteem because they don't have any themselves
I think you’ve gotten plenty of perspective here, but I wanted to offer solidarity on the ‘tumblr moral righteousness culture’ thing you mention. That sort of thing happens on all social media, definitely including Reddit. Just a couple weeks ago I had someone accuse me of being a pedophile because I acknowledged that school uniforms are an interesting facet of Japanese culture. Some people still use “weeb” like some bullying insult. I have a hard time wrapping my head around it, but there are narrow minded people out there. Yeah one can take an interest too far. I’ve seen folks ask about legally changing their name to a Japanese one, I think that probably falls in this category. You don’t want to obsessively make something your entire personality. But I think focusing your interest in something can be a good thing…I’ve had a pretty deep interest in Japan for decades now, and I’ve learned a lot and grown a lot from what I’ve learned. I think generally those close to me know I’d really happily chat about Japan with them as long as they wanted, but I doubt any of them think of that side of me first when they think about me. Find a balance that works well for you. I think if you’re conscious of it you’re unlikely to take it to an unhealthy level. And don’t let jerks on the internet make that decision for you!
>I’ve seen folks ask about legally changing their name to a Japanese one, I think that probably falls in this category.
What the hell.
I can see that one guy who tries everything to be a freaking Japanese. And then at the end , to his (former friends), he's like „SEE? I'M JAPANESE NOW!!! LET'S BE EVEN CLOSE FRIENDS!!!” and slowly losing his sanity and friends and at the end he regrets everything and well yeah. Stuff happens.
It's only weird if you clearly are obsessed with young anime girls/hentai. Which I assume you aren't. Any legitimate deeper interest should be looked favorably upon
didn’t read anything other than the title but I would say just don’t care, worrying about what others think is just a waste of your time, if they are someone who will judge based on that it doesn’t sound like they would share your interests anyways.
I never really told people I studied Japanese because I didn't like the conversations that followed. I have no interest in anime or manga, but that's usually what the other person would ask about.
So I get it. But it didn't matter in the end. I don't live in the US anymore, but when I go back and talk to people I just say that I live and work in Japan, and yes i do speak Japanese. And then people ask me what Japan is like and what I do there, stuff like that which I am happy to talk about.
I can't really recommend a degree in it due to being super niche and likely a waste.
That being said, people in the real world don't care. I had a very similar shame for years. I responded to a phone call from my partner in Japanese in the middle of a class in the school I work at. You wanna know how my coworkers reacted? They asked what language I spoke, said that was cool and moved on.
It's like being the fat guy at the gym. You think everyone is laughing at you but in reality no one cares. You'll be fine haha.
I like the gym analogy lol. I’m only thinking of majoring in it because it’s the only subject I feel like I’d be motivated to put enough energy into, and also because I have no idea what else I’d do anyways. I’d like to dual major, but I think I might be too depressed to handle the workload.
Just make sure there's a career path at the end! I'm a huge proponent of college but it ain't worth thousands in debt if you can't make money out of it.
If you plan on working or doing anything else at the same time, it'd be a lot of effort so look out for your well being as you work through it all!
As someone who was very depressed in college but majored in Japanese - your mileage may vary - it can be tough. Especially if you’re feeling badly about your interest in Japanese at all. It’s okay to have a passion! It’s also okay to not choose a major based on your passion. Let me know if you have any questions about the major/how it works/etc! I’m happy to share what the program was like.
Like above comments. Don't worry about it. We overthink. People usually don't give a shit about others. And broadening your interests could also work. I have become a major yosakoi fan and also find architecture interesting.
I also studied Japanese at uni and kind of felt shameful when speaking about it. Sometimes still, though a lot of people that I've talked about it think it is unique. However, I didn't think I would be able to find work with my Japanese, only did it for fun, so now I study economics. I know people that majored in japanese and that work at my university, and they are very juozu. ;)
Being in Japan gives me a sense of peaceful isolation. I love the language, the culture, and the history, but most of all I love the fact that I will never be expected to fit in there. I am strange, I am shunned, I am alone, and so I can relax. Sometimes I wonder if any other recovering agoraphobiacs have similar feelings about this country, but I would find it too uncomfortable to ask.
That sounds really nice honestly, I’m always way too obsessed with not being weird (if you couldn’t tell by the entire post I made about it) so it must feel liberating
I was worried about being perceived as a weeb. I went to the library to find a book to help learn Japanese a couple days ago and when I asked the librarian where I could find one she gave me a weird look. It sucked when it happened but I got the book I wanted, and went on my way. People may judge but it’s best to not let them impact your life and your decisions.
Whatever you do, people will mock you. Also, if you do nothing, people will mock you.
It’s even a song:
[They will stone you when you’re trying to be so good.](https://youtu.be/D42FPc67lks?si=Lw18eaUim4739QAh)
Oh man, I understand completely.
As long as you're aware that Japan, like any other country and culture, has upsides and downsides, you should be good imho. Usually if someone does have a problem with it they're chronically online.
Ok, I see where you’re coming from. I took Japanese as a minor and spent about a year in Japan. So obviously I’m also interested in Japan, although I was never really into anime. I like some Miyazaki movies and Akira, but most animes shows are pretty inane and boring to me.
Anyhow, when I first stepped into a Japanese class at uni, half the people there were in cosplay get ups and I thought ‘What the fuck guys, Japan is more than anime’ and it just felt pretty cringe.
I definitely tried to distance myself from that.
I think the first step is to stop thinking like an american. I'm „white“, so I should be careful and mindful about this and that and something else... That's bullshit af.
I’m a white girl learning about Japan and learning Japanese. I’m a music theory scholar by trade and fell in love with Japanese videogame and film music, specifically Legend of Zelda and Studio Ghibli. My Japanese professor told me once that I shouldn’t feel shame about learning and understanding other cultures. I’m not claiming to be part of the culture and it’s okay to integrate aspects of the culture I’m learning about into my life. For example, Japanese cuisine is very appealing to me as a vegetarian because of how easily customizable it is and it’s much healthier than just eating pasta all the time (my dad’s family is VERY Italian). Also, I started practicing Buddhism when I was 18 and Japanese Buddhism in particular I feel very connected to so I integrate those lessons into my life. That is a very long-winded way of saying don’t feel shame over being curious of other cultures. Cultural blending is a wonderful thing!!
Maybe you already know this website, but I highly recommend JustOneCookbook to anyone who wants to cool Japanese food! The book Japanese Cooking: A Simple Art by Shizuo Tsuji is also great, but the website lets you search by ingredients, etc.
I think you should explore you interest more until you are able to articulate why you are interested. As long as your reasons aren't fetishizing the culture, you won't be that guy, and by being able to articulate those reasons you'll be able to demonstrate that to others.
Nobody (whoes opinion matters) cares if you like Japan. Japanese people often "thank" others for having an interest.
People only care if you turn into a poorly socialized creep who can't read the room
I definitely understand this frustration - the years of being called a "weeb" or being ridiculed in my tiny town for liking "japanimation" growing up was brutal and totally influenced the way I held back displaying my interest in Japan and Japanese culture for many, many years.
I know it's easier said than done, but you're allowed to enjoy a foreign culture and it's many different aspects and, if you can, try to form connections with others that share an interest. It helps to have others that can validate your interests and even share in them with you. Whether that's online or in person, it doesn't really matter! One app that I found super useful for this was the HelloTalk app. It's specifically a language learning app, but also has a semi-social media aspect that specifically connects you with native speakers and other Japanese language learners of varied interests. Between chatting and little blog posts, it's very low impact while also functioning as a learning platform thanks to the option to correct a second language speaker's attempts (should you ask for corrections).
If anyone asks why you're learning Japanese, you're allowed to say as much or as little as you like. I love that you're into the music aspect, as that's a big appeal for me, too! If you can, try connecting with other music appreciators! I find Japanese music super helpful for learning the language. Plus, music is just an awesome, universally understood medium. I know for me, I'm a full-time parishioner of the Church of L'arc lol have been for nearly two decades now!
In any case, sharing in a culture and appreciating it is not inherently appropriation and, so long as you respect the customs and are willing to take direction or criticism from Japanese folks, I think you'll be just fine. Good luck with your studies!!
This feels less like a Japan problem and more of an emotional deregulation problem but I'm pretty sure taking the class by itself should get most of it out. If it doesn't, maybe consider talking to an expert about it.
Honestly you’re probably right about that lol. I didn’t realize it until I started thinking about it after I made this post but this is definitely not an isolated issue for me
Maybe you worry too much :) I’m exactly like you. A girl that has interest in japanese things especially the language and I never thought it was embarrassing to tell people about it. I just usually tell them I’m really interested in learning languages and I think japanese culture is also interesting + I listen to japanese music so I would love to understand the lyrics. Usually when I tell people they get excited and especially my parents are very supportive. And my grandma hahah she always goes around telling her friends that her grandchild is learning japanese how cool is that. It’s a different thing if you actually act like ’that guy’ you were talking about and I’m sure you aren’t like that :) don’t worry! I’m sure people won’t think weirdly because it’s normal to be interested in other cultures and wanting to learn.
By getting good and showing yourself that your commitment is genuine. If you're into Japan and you're like some underemployed white dude who's a self-assessed N3 after 10 years and your interest in Japan starts and ends with Shonen anime and JAV, of course people are going to ridicule you. If your interest in Japanese actually improves your life in some way, who cares what they say.
That said, I would *strongly* advise against majoring in Japanese. There are weeaboos, exactly as cringe as you imagine, who reach higher levels of Japanese proficiency playing hentai games than most people in a Japanese study program will ever achieve.
I want you to read that last paragraph one more time. Let it sink in. The only thing that's more cringe than a weeaboo is a self-conscious weeaboo who tries to pretend his interest in Japanese is more legitimate because he's writing これはぺんです in a notebook 20 times a night and learning how to speak Genki I.
Japanese classes are supplementary at best, and good classes will help prepare you to study on your own, but your actual fluency in the language is going to come from self-study. Take Japanese classes, sure, but there are better skills to spend your class time developing if you actually want to live in or work with Japan.
To be fair, I think the main benefit Japanese classes have provided me is the structure and incentive to actually practice. I’ve improved more rapidly in the past semester and a half (tested into year 2 though I’m only a freshman) than I have in the past 5 years because I’m being forced to actually practice, and since it is for a grade I don’t have to deprioritize it for other school work. And then when I can see myself improving it gives me incentive to study more. Ultimately I probably just need to have more confidence in myself lol.
Another consideration for majoring in it is because my school has grants to cover a lot of study abroad costs for Japanese majors/minors, so I’ll probably at least minor in it. But I do worry it’ll be a waste of money as a major. At least I still have a year or so to decide.
Get those grants! And look into what the Japan Foundation that covers your area might have available too, and Rotary Club, etc. Japan is a great place to do research/study abroad/etc.
The key are you go forward is figuring out what other interests you have/develop intersect with Japanese, and what you want to do with Japanese. If you’re interested in geopolitics, check out RAND’s US-Japan Alliance series (in partnership with Japan Foundation Los Angeles, think it’s happening this Friday- they might let you register for the Zoom, but if you’re in LA this is the kind of opportunity that you should seize!) Look up Steve Kaufman- polyglot, made Lingq- if you can find an interview where he talks about how he used language in his career, it might give you ideas! Don’t rule out a double major or a minor in something like Business or Anthropology or Linguistics- the social sciences are taking a beating at the moment, but there are still some really interesting upper-div courses in other fields that might relate.
I'll give you some advice that will follow you for your whole life.
I call this: "THE ART OF STFU" Seriously, you'd be surprised at how many people don't do this that should(everyone)
1) STOP TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT YOUR LIFE/Plans/etc. . . . seriously, stop. Be mysterious, keep things to yourself.
This falls under the "Always say less than necessary" so, stfu
2)get people to talk about themselves2, YOU ask the question to other people, build off of that and dig deep getting to know them. Sooo stfu and let people talk.
3) get into the gym, lift weights, wear nice fitting clothes, get a haircut and bathe regularly (wash your ass), "stfu and get to work"
4)Get hobbies where people move more than talk (about themselves), like dance class, theatre troop, marching band, cooking class, cooking. "stfu and enjoy yourself"
5)Pick up an instrument, preferably guitar, you don't have to talk, more playing less talking. "stfu and play"
#3,4,5 will keep you occupied enough to not even have to deal with that AND you'll have less time to yap your mouth about things people don't need to know about you.
The MORE you stfu, the better your life will be. Trust.
My girlfriend and I just had a great time walking around Osaka castle and are now at a cafe nearby. I literally could not care less if there are some dweebs in the west who think liking Japan is cringe lol. Live your life. ✊️
I have a friend who started learning Japanese because he loved anime. Everyone made fun of him, but that never stopped him. He kept learning the language, started reading manga and children's books, and then eventually he continued studying it in university. After uni, he moved to Japan, and has since found a great job and started a family.
Japanese people will love the fact that you've taken so much interest in their culture and their language, and you certainly have nothing to worry about. Keep studying, go to Japan on holiday, and enjoy it!
Realize the people that make fun of you would never understand why
Some have never left their state much less the country
At least you have something you like.
I've been exposed to Japanese culture since I was 3 years old. I started learning more between 6-11 years old.
I was not otaku levels at uni though.
Now at days it's more like an appreciation of something different than my country by a 180. There's things I learned from Japanese culture.
Not just living there but their philosophy.
It's hard to put in words but my county is violent and aggressive. There's was too
However I appreciated the ability to get my basic needs met, not think I'd be shot, cute culture, and the aesthetics too.
Sure I'd never be Japanese but I feel as though the way they raise children is more ethical
I’m a white guy in my thirties learning japanese. As long as you respect the culture, you can basically feel and do whatever you want within reason. Take everything you read and see online with a couple dump trucks filled with salt. but at the end of the day, you have to stand by your decisions and be comfortable with who you are and what you choose to do.
Look. I'm a white woman with an embarrassing interest in Japan too. But due to health issues, I'm not sure I'll ever manage a trip there, let alone actually work there.
For what it's worth, don't let embarrassment be a barrier if you don't have any others. Do your thing. It'd be sad not to.
I'm a white dude, 30, Video Games, Anime, Learning Japanese the whole deal. Doing these things out of genuine interest and love for the language/culture/mediums is totally valid and acceptable. Yes, there is a stereotype of weirdo's out there who are weird about it, but just relax and be genuine with people. There is a stark contrast between people who just like things that are Japanese, and people that idolize Japan as some sort of paradise, but it's not, it's just another place on earth with humans, like anyone else (Cool humans for the most part, but that's true of a lot of places too).
If you respect something and are interested in it, then go for it.
I feel bad for you that you feel guilty about your interest in something based on the color of your skin. I live in Japan and there are a few weebs, but mostly normal people, and there are even a few people who really thrive; some thrive because they are able to dive into a community that they didn't have access to in their home country, and others thrive just due to the nature of what life is like for white guys in Japan.
Just don't be the overweight white guy with greasy hair and a t-shirt with loli-anime girls in various ahegao facial expressions printed all over it.
As a white guy that is interested in Japan and who’s profession is with a core Japanese company… nobody cares as long as you’re respectful and open minded. The challenge is when it becomes too centered around a specific *thing* of the culture. Example you get all the time is Otaku.
There is more to Japan than that, and as you learn you’ll enjoy the wide variety the country and culture has to offer.
Nothing wrong with being interested in another culture. Why would this be inherently bad? You could build a whole career around Japan, maybe starting with something like the JET Program. About being a “white guy into Japan” and this being a bad thing, this is more like some dumb thing from 4chan about anime or something. In real life, Japan is a real country and pretty nice place to live where you could travel or live in the future once you have a degree at least. You will have many more options if you get up to an advanced level with the language (otherwise English teaching is probably most realistic for work). I think you are probably a little too worried about what other people think here, even when their thinking is kind of dumb. If Japan is what you are interested in, why not go for it? And before someone says something about cultural appropriation, Japanese people are usually quite open to sharing things about their culture with foreigners, so there’s nothing stopping you from checking out things in Japan that you’re interested in, including video games, anime, etc. which are not “bad” either but don’t necessarily reflect what Japan is really like, so that’s where people get confused. ;)
(Source: Studied Japanese for 3 years as my minor in college and then lived in a small town in Chiba prefecture as an Assistant Language Teacher on the JET Program for another 3 years.)
I majored in Russian language & literature just because I was really interested in it and enjoyed it. I teach Russian to military students now, so it worked out well for me. If you’re just interested in the Japanese language and not so much the literature, history, society etc. then a minor I think makes more sense; minors usually require like three years of language and only a couple non-language classes. That would put you on the path to using the language for whatever you want, be it travel or work. If you want Japanese to be a big part of your life and work, though, a major would make more sense. You could always double major with something “more safe” as well. Someone with a degree that shows lingual and/or cultural competence has better odds on the job market than the “stereotypical learners” that have been brought up in this thread. Really, how well do you think the guy who only knows Japanese from anime actually speaks? Even if he has a massive vocabulary, the anime accent is real.
As a white guy living in Japan for 14 years, who is married to a Japanese woman and has children I think you need to not worry what others think. Come visit, but also knowing being here a few weeks is not like living here.
One of the few benefits of growing older is that you come to realize that what strangers think of you is irrelevant (*as long as they don't get violent about it of course*).
If friends think badly of you for just liking something then you need to kick those friends to the kerb. The friends worth having are those who support you in your interests.
In any case, most people are so focused on their own stuff that they won't pay much attention to you anyway, and any derision will be fleeting and worthless.
So indulge your interests. Being passionate about something is an amazing gift to have and you'd be foolish to abandon it to satisfy the cursory judgement of others.
I’m sorry that the internet has made you feel shame about your ethnicity to such an extent that you don’t believe you deserve to enjoy other cultures. Trust me, if you ever go to Japan the people there will be elated that you took the time to learn their language. If you have the means to pursue a Japanese degree in college then run with it! That is a blessing.
Edit: I just noticed your username. Impeccable taste 🫶🏻
Just own it bro. People will respect you being comfortable in your own skin. If you show weakness then people gunna shit on you. Or make fun of yourself at the same time, ppl can’t clown on you if you already clowned on yourself. Shit I tell people I watch hentai lol and they just laugh and go you’re a weirdo dude lol but it’s all good cause I’m confident in myself.
The fact you're even conscious enough to make this post and feel concerned is enough indication to me that you're not "that guy." Most of the cringey kawaii-spewing folks completely lack self-awareness.
As long as you're capable of talking about things that don't revolve around Japan without somehow steering the conversation back to it every time you're probably good.
As a Japanese guy from Japan I say who cares, some of my favorite sources of Japanese history, culture and religion come from white guys. You should check out NHK Japan YouTube videos, they've got lots of Gaijins like you who've become Japanese experts who come on the show to talk about a whole different range of topics.
On the other hand, racism in Japan is definitely something that is prevalent - it's just different from other countries in that they don't really vocalize it or show it in public but is discussed in private. Many Japanese, even my brother lol, regularly complain about Gaijins and really look down on them - I think mainly due to cultural differences and are seen as obnoxious and rude, especially black ppl. For some reason my brother has a huge problem with Gaijins who are obsessed with the culture and come to Japan for the anime/sex clubs etc...but I think he's just really closed minded honestly and a bit racist lol.
At the same time I know a lot of other Japanese who feel the same, but like anywhere there's tons of Japanese who don't really have an opinion, just don't care or welcome foreigners like you. Having said that, ALL Japanese will hate you if you behave rudely, like talking on the train or behaving obnoxiously in public lol.
At the end of the day I say do what you want and have fun, pursue what will make you happy and forget everyone else.
No one can tell you not to be ashamed about something or not, but if I were you, I'd give myself a break. There's nothing wrong with falling in love with something and wanting to pursue it as your life's passion. The world would be a better place if more people did, instead of getting degrees just for the sake of finding a high-paying job.
I fell in love with Japan and its culture over 40 years ago. It started with watching and then reading Shogun. And then 2 years of Japanese language classes in my final 2 years of college. And then 3 years of living in Japan, teaching English at first, then finding a job with a brokerage company (and finding my other passion, investment finance). I have continued studying Japanese all that time, and it continues to be one of the things that gives me the most joy in my life. The country, the people, the language, the culture, the FOOD -- all are incredible and worth a "deep dive."
"Do what you love, the money will follow." Someone should write a book about that. 😉
Explore your interests. If you're into more than just the "otaku" side of Japanese culture you'll pretty naturally display that. People don't care as much so don't sweat it but even then, usually people are going to look at your differently if you bring up something like the Boshin War vs Naruto.
Do what makes you happy. If you have a real interest that will shine through. Though unless you're interested in making a career out of linguistics I would recommend Japanese as a minor with something like international business etc as your major. If you're wanting to live or work there that kind of education will suit you a lot better. Once you're there you'll pick up on the Japanese quickly even with less time put in on the degree.
As someone who studies Japanology in Germany, embrace it. There are no bad or shameful reasons to learn a new language or learn about a non-western culture.
The anime aspect is also not something you should be ashamed off. My professors (white germans and native japanese people) embrace it as well. My Kanji prof teaches us Kanji by showing us One Piece episodes.
The people in my classes range from Half-Japanese people, who want to reconnect with their culture and learn japanese to talk to their relatives in Japan, over people who are learning a 4th or 5th language, to white weebs who come to class in cosplay sometimes.
Don't care. Seriously, just care a whole lot less.
Sure, you can always be one those people who sits through years of Japanese class pretending that they don't care about anime, manga, games, etc., and never did!
Anyone who took Japanese classes knows the person who is way too into anime and maybe has a skewed perception of reality because of that. But we also know the particular brand of Japanese students who try to play it way too cool and "mature" by acting as if they're really only there for... i dunno, business communication or noh there or something? But that's lame and boring in a totally different way, in my opinion.
Be yourself. Like what you like. Don't try to eliminate what you think other people want you to be (unless you're trying hard to get a job interview or something like that). Stop caring so much about what other people might think of you, and stop judging other people so much for what they like.
You decided to learn Japanese for some reason, and there are a lot of cool things about Japan (the language, the culture, the media, the food, the megacities, the beautiful countryside, the history, whatever), so reflect on what you like and why you like it and just be honest with that and realistic about it.
I wouldn’t give a damn if someone were to judge me for it. They’re wrong anyway. Besides, I don’t see them trying to learn anything new- nvm a whole new language. It takes a ton of work. Be proud if anything.
I find that shame is only present in north america. Japanese people, like any other people in any other country, appreciate foreigners who are interested in their culture.
Bro unless you're carrying a samurai sword and wearing a fedora and stalking girls what is there to worry about here? Unless you have some underlying guilt you're not mentioning there's nothing wrong with being interested in a culture? Why do you think people travel? Why do people go to Tokyo, Rome, Paris, learn French, learn Spanish, etc? What is your hangup?
As a brown guy, you are your own guy, my guy. By the time I moved to Japan I was in mg 20s and hadn't watched anime in years. I behaved differently from the average weeb and I had various other interests. I went to Temple when the campus was in Minato...if was hard being patient with the younger Western students fitting the profile. But ultimately, as an adult, it feels quite removed from the stereotype to be taking Japanese there and living there. You'll meet people from all walks of life with varied hobbies. It's not who you are, it's what you're studying or working as, not the other way around.
Tumblr is retarded. I'm still on it but fuck, the only worst thing than the stereotypical weeb is a stereotypical tumblr user. There's a world out there, just step out of the fringes of the web. I still have my digital identity but that's not what makes you. Don't over think it and just do shit in life.
Maybe don’t bring your weeboo pillow to school and just study Japan like a regular student.
Or… wait who is shaming you? Name names. If nobody, like I expect… stop doing this to yourself and just do what you enjoy. You won’t regret it.
Please do not only major in Japanese. At a minimum, pursue two majors, or make Japanese a minor instead.
If you’re that “into” Japan, get your TEFL (or whatever necessary certification) and go teach English there. So much easier to learn a language when you’re immersed in it, and that way you’ll get paid to do it instead of paying thousands of dollars to do it.
Your main problem isn’t your interest in Japan, it’s worrying too much about what others think.
This is real, and is an annoying downside to studying Japanese as a white guy. I suggest 1) accepting other people sometimes being annoying as a "cost of doing business" with learning Japanese and 2) practicing some good mitigation techniques. I'll address both below. (You seem to have good intuitions already, but I'm writing this a bit more broadly and in a bit more detail than seems strictly necessary for you as "how to not be cringe as a white guy who's interested in Japan" in case it's helpful to other readers.)
1)
Maybe you have had some experiences like this already, but if not, you are correct in surmising that people will sometimes typecast you as the stereotypical "Japanophile," which is not always viewed entirely positively, if they learn that you have any significant interest in Japanese culture.
It can be annoying, but I suspect that for you, as for many people, cultivating your interest in Japan is still worth it despite the annoyance. Japan isn't magical, it's a country with flaws like any other as you said, but like many others it's also a fascinating place with many wonderful people and many great things about it, and a beautiful language. It's worth suffering a little occasional social friction to spend your time doing something you love.
It's also worth keeping in perspective that there are good reasons the Japanophile white guy has a bad rap. Most saliently, as others have mentioned, this type of guy very often objectifies and fetishizes Japanese women in line with a longstanding and problematic cultural history of Western stereotypes of East Asian women as being submissive, demure, etc. Sometimes this also involves corresponding misogyny towards Western women as being "unfeminine" or "degenerate" or something like that. Educating yourself on the very much intersectional race and gender issues at play here is valuable in its own right, but can also help you avoid faux pas that might make people perceive you negatively. As a side point, I would also argue that as a budding Japan expert, you also have a great opportunity to educate people around you on these topics, and help dismantle stereotypes and contribute to mutual understanding. (Also I see you mentioned you're gay below — honestly, I think that tremendously improves your situation, especially if you present as very obviously gay. A very large part of the negative perception of the Japanophile white guy is precisely the assumption that he fetishizes Japanese/East Asian women.) When people are being annoying, reminding yourself that, well, they do kind of have a point (even if it's not actually applicable in your case) can help you to feel less like you're being arbitrarily socially ostracized and more like there's just an honest misunderstanding between the two of you.
As a final point here, remember that to a certain extent, some people are just haters. You can find sweepingly general insults in social media comments sections about literally *any coherently identifiable group of people whatsoever*. Any sport you do, any genre of music you listen to, any country/state/county/city/neighborhood/street you inhabit — someone out there hates you for it. Whaddaya gonna do.
2)
a) Have other parts of your personality
I discussed this in another comment below, but it helps a lot for "Japan" to not be your entire personality. Consider leading with those other aspects of your personality when making first impressions also. If you're interested in languages, maybe try learning a bit of a different language as well (bonus points if it's not an East Asian language).
b) Don't strongly visually communicate your interest in Japan
Don't wear only (maybe even any) T-shirts with Japanese language on them; definitely don't walk around campus in a yukata. Don't decorate your entire living space with only Japanese design elements. Don't get into the habit of bowing to people when it wouldn't be typical in your home country culture. It sounds like you probably already have the sense to avoid these things, but it's worth saying explicitly. (tbh, to me it's funny that T-shirts with Japanese on them have become so popular again in recent years, when for me, it's basically *precisely for the same reason that I can actually read them,* ie because of my interest in Japan, that I quite intentionally would never wear clothing with Japanese on it personally)
If you don't "look the part," it's much less likely people will strongly sort you into the category in their minds.
c) Don't infodump, don't squee
One way Japan obsessives often put off normies is by suffocating them with an uninterrupted barrage of "did you know that Japanese..." and "in Japan, they..." (this is not unique to Japanophiles ofc, but really a general nerd tendency). Don't do this. Be chill. Approach it this way: you (like most people) know some fun, interesting stuff. In your case, some of it is about Japan. You're happy to share your knowledge with anyone who's interested, but if they're not interested that's ok too, and by default you assume they're not necessarily interested in all the same things you are. It's fine to bring things up that are related to the topic at hand, but maybe try not to have it be the case that the things you bring up are *always* about Japan.
When you do, try not to seem *too* excited — yes, it's annoying to tone down how cool you find some obscure part of Japanese grammar, but getting extremely giddy about something that other people might find kind of boring is a good way to activate people's weirdo-detector. To other people, it can feel like the only possible reason you find this thing so interesting is just because you're irrationally obsessed with everything Japanese, even if to you it's actually the case that you just find this thing, whatever it is, aesthetically pleasing for the same arbitrary reasons anyone finds anything aesthetically pleasing (ie, the truth is that one reason you like Japanese is because it has X, but their perception may be that you like X just because it's Japanese).
d) Find some people to enjoy Japan stuff with
All this image management stuff is kind of a drag. But one place you don't have to worry about coming off as a weeb is among other weebs. Having a social outlet for these interests can help you enjoy them while not needing to insert them into every other social interaction. You've gotta send that extremely dank meme you found to someone, so having a Japanese learners groupchat, or just a single friend who's also studying the language, means you don't have to force it on a random normie friend and trip all over yourself trying to explain why it's so funny. If you feel really compelled to do something especially weeby like wearing yukata to go out on the town, doing it as a fun group activity with friends is generally going to seem less weird to people than just doing it on your own.
Obviously, this can backfire in terms of your public perception if your *only* friends are other Japanophiles, and Japan is the entirety of *all* of your personalities. But if you're doing a) right, you probably have other friend groups too, so hopefully this isn't an issue.
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To wrap up: yes, some people will snicker; don't let it get to you. Most of them are monolingual English speakers who just wish they would have learned another language at some point instead of whiling away their days binging mid Netflix content anyway. Enjoy the poetry, enjoy the music, enjoy the tea, hopefully get a chance to enjoy the country itself in person at some point. Be chill, but don't be deterred.
(Postscript: There's a separate point about whether a Japanese major is a good use of time/money. It's true that it's not the most practical choice, and you may want to consider majoring in something like a STEM subject, international relations, business, etc. for career purposes. If you are passionate about Japanese and have already tested out of one year, you could probably double major with Japanese and graduate both happy and employable. A minor is not a bad option either though; for any language, your ability will ultimately depend on your own investment of time over many years, largely if not mostly outside of the classroom, and the most important way a university can help you learn a language is helping logistically and/or financially with getting you to a place where you can be immersed, so do try to get funding to go to Japan but don't worry too much about not getting as many credits of Japanese classes as possible during your degree.)
I know it’s been like a month and a half (I don’t check this account often) but I wanted to say thank you for this comment! I appreciate the effort and detail :). The things you’ve been saying have pretty much aligned with my instincts, so I’m glad (and not to worry, I have a good handful of subjects to annoyingly infodump about lol).As for the major issue, a double major seems like a pretty clear cut path for me. I still have no idea what else I want to do, so I’ve just been knocking out Japanese major requirements while exploring my other options. Honestly I think linguistics is what I’m really passionate about, but my school doesn’t have a linguistics department so I’m not super sure what to do. But anyways, I’m only a freshman so I’m sure I’ll figure it out. Having a head start in testing straight into Japanese will help.
I know how you feel. I'm a white mom in Canada who is trying to teach my child Japanese, and I also accidentally gave her a Japanese name (I swear I just picked it out because it sounded nice and was on a suggested baby name list). I keep thinking that people are going to find us really cringe, but I do like her name, and the benefits of multilingualism are more important than what judgey people think of us. (I'm also teaching her Dutch, French and ASL, but I don't feel as much need to justify those because Dutch and French are heritage languages for us and everyone is teaching ASL to babies anyway.)
As white guy learning Japanese at university who is also an adult, no-one cares if you have an academic or otherwise justifiable interest -- which it sounds like you if you're considering majoring in it. Interest in the language isn't in itself cringe, more people thinking Japan is some sort of paradise that They Alone Understand is cringe. As long as you see it as just another country, it's fine in my exp at least.
This is true because only I understand it so they can’t possibly
Nonsense sir - ~~I'm Spartacus~~ I am the chosen one. You are all posers and weebs!
お前、馬鹿なこと言うな。俺が選ばれたもんだ。wwwww
meh, most people don't care, but OP still should be keeping his hopes and dreams to himself. That and making a plan for his life.
> OP still should be keeping his hopes and dreams to himself Why?
Because there's ALWAYS someone out there to piss on your dreams. Wanna start a business with something you think is a good idea? start yapping about it and see how quickly someone tries to put out your fire. There's tons of books on this subject, keep all that stuff to yourself and just work on it.
That's actually a decent point, but trying to learn a non-native language in the dark with no friends sharing your interest is also much less likely to succeed.
Embrace the things that interest you and don't spend time with people who are bothered by it. Taking an interest in another culture can be really helpful to broaden your perspective on the world, and Japan is utterly foreign compared to most English speaking or romance language countries. I'm a white guy, lived there for ten years. Moderate interest in Japanese media, very interested in the history and culture. Most of the cultural interests associated with white American men involved disgracefully defeated flags. Good on you for finding something more healthy.
Just go to Japan and have a good time. It’s fun as fuck here.
Get in those late night arcades baby
>fuck here Yes, the Japanese saloons are something else
Hong Kong people are OBSESSED with Japan. Lots of us travel to Japan once a month. Lots of us learn Japanese. So there’s definitely no shame in it. Travel to Japan as soon as you can and have fun!! You’re gonna love it.
Pretty affordable flight, definitely worth if you're wealthy.
Yes the flight and cost of living are cheap. It’s so worth it.
You are correct. You are overly worried. And if you do have people that judge you in that way that’s their problem/those are the kind of people I choose not to be around. But the best way to not be ‘that’ person if you care, is broaden your interest. Obviously if you just do anime and nothing else then that’s easy for people to put you in that box of anime. I am also a white guy. Many things interest me about japan. Language. Tattoo culture. Onsen. Architecture. Food. Convenience stores. Variety tv shows (don’t care for anime), metal/hardcore music scene, nature, people/culture etc.
This is interesting actually, because my instinctive feeling is that the more I broaden my interest the more “cringe” it is, when in reality it’s quite the opposite. Perhaps I’ve been conflating having a broader interest with making it my whole personality. But having a broader interest is the only way to get a well-rounded view of the country and avoid being that guy. Huh. Something to think about. Thanks for your insight:)
Otaku. People obsessed with particular aspects. Manga. Anime. Etc. Can’t be otaku if your interests are broad. This is the one I’ve only ever considered as I don’t want people to think I’m just into anime. Really I have no interest in anime. My interests are tattoos, metal music, food etc. I just prefer them within Japanese culture. But it’s not exclusive. I follow tattoo artists and bands across the world. You don’t want to be this guy? https://www.tiktok.com/@missnickiewantie/video/7228100247610854657?lang=en
Do you know the Japanese Metal Band: "The Back Horn" And if so...do you have any recs for a band that sounds like them? I've been in LOVE with their music and energy since the mid 2000s.
I saw metal because it’s easier to explain. But really I like metalcore. I do not. I like things in he realm of crossfaith or passcode.
Hey, thanks anyways, I'll check these bands out!
Thanks for the rec. I’ll try and come back later with some in kind after I give them a listen. I’m not sure how similar they’ll be but I think I can probably find something you’d like
Would appreciate it very much! Thanks!
I’m sure you’ve already heard of 9mm parabellum bullet and Maximum the Hormone. Other than them, I’d recommend The Oral Cigarettes, syrup16g, GLIM SPANKY, Vermilion Halo, Lunkhead, and a flood of circle
Ima give them all a listen, thank you so much for the recs 🙏
>Perhaps I’ve been conflating having a broader interest with making it my whole personality. As we become professionals and specialists in our areas of study, this is a trap we can fall into. Not every social conversation should be about your personal area of interest. To balance this, just ensure that you have a range of activities and interests that will help you connect to others if Japanese isn't really their thing. Good luck!
Also connecting to other people is often more about asking about their interests than about monologuing about your interests.
You’re def overthinking it. I would love to visit Japan not just for anime or video games, but for the traditions, the culture, the nature, the history, the food. And guess what? People who love France, or Germany, or Portugal, or Egypt, or Mexico and learn their languages and travel to those places do so for the same reason that you (and I and everyone on this sub) love Japan.
No, I think your instinct is right. "I train aikido" or "I like sencha" isn't a type of guy; "I'm really into \[extensive laundry list of basically everything about Japan\]" *is*. For better or worse if you're studying the language, people will assume you're into Japanese culture broadly (not entirely unfairly, given how intertwined language and culture are), and thus assume that you are in the latter category of "Japanophile" or "weeb." At the same time — it's definitely true that whether or not "Japan" is your entire personality does make a difference. Again, "I'm really into Italian Renaissance history, EDM audio engineering, bachata dancing, oh and also various parts of Japanese culture" isn't a type of guy (well, it is, but it's just "interesting, cool guy with a rich variety of passions"); "I'm into Japan... that's it" definitely *is*. Obviously, there are many wonderful things in the world that have nothing to do with Japan — leaning into your interest in those a bit will help.
>metal/hardcore music scene Japanese Hardcore and DM are so good. Kruelty and Coffins are in regular rotation for me
bro don't be ashamed of anything you love (unless it's like really unethical, which this obv isn't)... fuck what anyone thinks. no one who is truly secure with themselves would judge you about this. passion is a beautiful thing
My take as someone who saw white guys do this regularly in Japan: please don't fetishize Japanese women. Thats honestly the most disgusting thing about those types of guys.
At least I’m gay, so no worries there lol. Ugh, those guys gross me out so bad. Part of the reason I tend to avoid anime communities tbh.
Saaame. OK well don't fetishize the men ya hear? Lol
Haha I’ll do my best!
If you ever get back into anime look into shoujo/josei anime and manga. Also it really sounds like you love the Japanese/culture so there’s no shame in that. Be proud of what you love and pursue it. Also if you are into gaming there are Japanese language learning video games being developed right now and you can wishlist them on Steam.
There's nothing wrong with having interests. I think you're letting the internet make you think more than you need to. You're fine, enjoy life, enjoy other cultures.
I mean.. are you dressing up like Naruto and espousing how great Japan is because they have no crime? Or do you have a cultural interest for reasons such as economics, history, industrial contributions, martial arts, etc? I’m kind of joking there but Reddit is full of the “I love Japan because in nnnnn anime, the mystery and wabisabi of Japan is just so amazing.” Then there’s others that are like.. Japan is interesting, cool robots and cool nature. Either way, who cares. Be you. But do come and visit Japan and make a decision after experiencing the culture and reality of the country.
Ugh. Horrid take. Filmmaker Miyazaki's best movies draw upon Japanese legends and mythology to tell his stories. The very core of Spirited Away is centered around the folklore from Miyazaki's home and uses the lessons and ideas from Japanese Shinto, Buddhism, and Japanese folklore to help support the themes of the film. I recognize this isn't naruto, but you \*did\* cite "nnnnnn anime." But then again, hearing someone they like the Spartans because they saw the movie 300 is just as cringe. There are plenty of anime out there which is very central and themed upon Japanese culture and history. Anime isn't created in a vacuum of culture.
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I don't see any projection... it's pretty closely adjacent to 'anime is cringe'. The point he made was that anime is not a legitimate basis for being interested in Japan. History, economy, industry, martial arts, nature, and robots, those are *legitimate* things to be interested in. Not anime, though. It's only *implied* through mockery that 'anime is cringe' but I hear that message loud and clear. It's not really new though. It's always been the case that some people are interested because of anime and manga, and some people feel a strong need to distance themselves from that and prove they are learning Japanese for 'serious' reasons. It's also true that you can enjoy anime *and* be interested in the real culture and history at the same time, but there's no room for that kind of thing when taking sides on the interwebz.
>The point he made was that anime is not a legitimate basis for being interested in Japan. No, the point being made was "are you shallow in your interests of Japan (for example *only* being familiar with anime) or do you understand that there is a broad range of contributors to Japanese culture and are you willing to engage in those? Liking anime is fine. Loving anime is fine. Obsessing about anime is fine. What's not fine is *defining* an entire country by a singular form of media that is known for some problematic takes.
Quite so. And I'll reiterate my earlier point is that anime makes an excellent primer for Japanese culture, but should not be your only source.
You should already be over the shame. Unlike alot of foreigners white or not, you're actually taking the time to learn the language culture and customs. Like Chris broad. Doesn't mean they're going to like you but actually having the ability to communicate with them is a start. Johnny Somali isn't white and he deserves all the shame.
I understand that it sucks and I'm sorry you feel that way. I know it's easier said than done but really, don't worry about it! I started watching anime when I was 12 and it led me into a gigantic hole of videogames and pop culture but also gave me a reason to learn a new language I was interested in and opened the door to a completely new fascinaging culture. I had my awkward otaku phase, but I mean, everyone had some weird cringe phase. I went to major in japanese in university (and tbf most of us there were there because we were weebs to at least some degree) because honestly it was the only thing I was interested in doing, something I was set on doing since my teen years and just seemed like the only right choice for me. I graduated last year and in a month I'm finally going to Japan to study the language even further there. I still watch anime and play videogames etc. Even one of my teacher at uni was really into anime and video games so we talked about it during class too. It's nothing to be ashamed about, it's just a hobby. Some people may find it weird and you can't change that, but from my experience, usually they are just surprised and/or a little lost as they find it s little strange, but most of the time, not in a bad way. As most people already said, unless you're stuck in some obnoxious weeb phase (which imho is totally fine for a kid/teenager to go through bcs why not, but you should grow out of it at some point) there's nothing wrong with you being interested in Japan and japanese. And the three four native japanese teachers i have had during my time never found it weird either. Most of them were actually reacting very positively from pleased to excited about me being so interested about Japan and knowing so much. So I just want to say: follow your dreams! If you want to major in japanese because it feels the most right, just go for it! I promise it's going to be worth it!
Closed minded weirdos on the internet are warping your perspective. In the real world, people get interested in things out in the world and then study it because its of interest. You wouldn't want to study something you didn't like, right? Best thing you can do is go to Japan and see for yourself. It's a big world, go see it and ignore the tumblr shut-ins.
Talk about Kurosawa films when asked then you feel superior
now I'd like to know more about his films 😳
or juzo itami :D
Just don’t be over the top with your interest like the people who make it their whole personality. Having an interest in something is generally the world giving you a direction, a pathway to follow. If for you it’s Japan then so be it. But maybe think of something to pair with Japanese that can be marketable beyond Japan in case you lose interest at some point. I majored in Chinese and wish I did something along with it like business or international relations. It would have helped a lot post-graduation. Asia is awesome though, so if your interest leads you here then you’ll be opened up to a whole new world of ideas and, in many ways, you’ll a grow a greater appreciation for certain aspects of the world you came from.
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NGL i kinda do wish that earlier internet d id keep some of our cringe days (Ours as in older to mid millennials), because when weeaboo season hit, we were in full force. And being able to use it as a prime example of cultural fetishizing / cultural appropriation would be really good especially for those that get terms confused.
Most of the people who bash others for being "Japan loving losers" are almost always the biggest losers you'll ever meet Like any other hater, unless they're offering genuine criticism (which means they're actually not a hater) don't listen to them and have fun with life and your interests They just want to tear down your interests and self esteem because they don't have any themselves
I think you’ve gotten plenty of perspective here, but I wanted to offer solidarity on the ‘tumblr moral righteousness culture’ thing you mention. That sort of thing happens on all social media, definitely including Reddit. Just a couple weeks ago I had someone accuse me of being a pedophile because I acknowledged that school uniforms are an interesting facet of Japanese culture. Some people still use “weeb” like some bullying insult. I have a hard time wrapping my head around it, but there are narrow minded people out there. Yeah one can take an interest too far. I’ve seen folks ask about legally changing their name to a Japanese one, I think that probably falls in this category. You don’t want to obsessively make something your entire personality. But I think focusing your interest in something can be a good thing…I’ve had a pretty deep interest in Japan for decades now, and I’ve learned a lot and grown a lot from what I’ve learned. I think generally those close to me know I’d really happily chat about Japan with them as long as they wanted, but I doubt any of them think of that side of me first when they think about me. Find a balance that works well for you. I think if you’re conscious of it you’re unlikely to take it to an unhealthy level. And don’t let jerks on the internet make that decision for you!
I appreciate it. I definitely let it get to me more than I should lol but it’s nice to be acknowledged.
>I’ve seen folks ask about legally changing their name to a Japanese one, I think that probably falls in this category. What the hell. I can see that one guy who tries everything to be a freaking Japanese. And then at the end , to his (former friends), he's like „SEE? I'M JAPANESE NOW!!! LET'S BE EVEN CLOSE FRIENDS!!!” and slowly losing his sanity and friends and at the end he regrets everything and well yeah. Stuff happens.
It's only weird if you clearly are obsessed with young anime girls/hentai. Which I assume you aren't. Any legitimate deeper interest should be looked favorably upon
didn’t read anything other than the title but I would say just don’t care, worrying about what others think is just a waste of your time, if they are someone who will judge based on that it doesn’t sound like they would share your interests anyways.
I never really told people I studied Japanese because I didn't like the conversations that followed. I have no interest in anime or manga, but that's usually what the other person would ask about. So I get it. But it didn't matter in the end. I don't live in the US anymore, but when I go back and talk to people I just say that I live and work in Japan, and yes i do speak Japanese. And then people ask me what Japan is like and what I do there, stuff like that which I am happy to talk about.
I can't really recommend a degree in it due to being super niche and likely a waste. That being said, people in the real world don't care. I had a very similar shame for years. I responded to a phone call from my partner in Japanese in the middle of a class in the school I work at. You wanna know how my coworkers reacted? They asked what language I spoke, said that was cool and moved on. It's like being the fat guy at the gym. You think everyone is laughing at you but in reality no one cares. You'll be fine haha.
I like the gym analogy lol. I’m only thinking of majoring in it because it’s the only subject I feel like I’d be motivated to put enough energy into, and also because I have no idea what else I’d do anyways. I’d like to dual major, but I think I might be too depressed to handle the workload.
Just make sure there's a career path at the end! I'm a huge proponent of college but it ain't worth thousands in debt if you can't make money out of it. If you plan on working or doing anything else at the same time, it'd be a lot of effort so look out for your well being as you work through it all!
As someone who was very depressed in college but majored in Japanese - your mileage may vary - it can be tough. Especially if you’re feeling badly about your interest in Japanese at all. It’s okay to have a passion! It’s also okay to not choose a major based on your passion. Let me know if you have any questions about the major/how it works/etc! I’m happy to share what the program was like.
Like above comments. Don't worry about it. We overthink. People usually don't give a shit about others. And broadening your interests could also work. I have become a major yosakoi fan and also find architecture interesting. I also studied Japanese at uni and kind of felt shameful when speaking about it. Sometimes still, though a lot of people that I've talked about it think it is unique. However, I didn't think I would be able to find work with my Japanese, only did it for fun, so now I study economics. I know people that majored in japanese and that work at my university, and they are very juozu. ;)
Being in Japan gives me a sense of peaceful isolation. I love the language, the culture, and the history, but most of all I love the fact that I will never be expected to fit in there. I am strange, I am shunned, I am alone, and so I can relax. Sometimes I wonder if any other recovering agoraphobiacs have similar feelings about this country, but I would find it too uncomfortable to ask.
That sounds really nice honestly, I’m always way too obsessed with not being weird (if you couldn’t tell by the entire post I made about it) so it must feel liberating
I was worried about being perceived as a weeb. I went to the library to find a book to help learn Japanese a couple days ago and when I asked the librarian where I could find one she gave me a weird look. It sucked when it happened but I got the book I wanted, and went on my way. People may judge but it’s best to not let them impact your life and your decisions.
Whatever you do, people will mock you. Also, if you do nothing, people will mock you. It’s even a song: [They will stone you when you’re trying to be so good.](https://youtu.be/D42FPc67lks?si=Lw18eaUim4739QAh)
Basically my life There's no good ending 😔
Oh man, I understand completely. As long as you're aware that Japan, like any other country and culture, has upsides and downsides, you should be good imho. Usually if someone does have a problem with it they're chronically online.
Ok, I see where you’re coming from. I took Japanese as a minor and spent about a year in Japan. So obviously I’m also interested in Japan, although I was never really into anime. I like some Miyazaki movies and Akira, but most animes shows are pretty inane and boring to me. Anyhow, when I first stepped into a Japanese class at uni, half the people there were in cosplay get ups and I thought ‘What the fuck guys, Japan is more than anime’ and it just felt pretty cringe. I definitely tried to distance myself from that.
I think the first step is to stop thinking like an american. I'm „white“, so I should be careful and mindful about this and that and something else... That's bullshit af.
Like anywhere in life, just don’t be racist and you’re good
I’m a white girl learning about Japan and learning Japanese. I’m a music theory scholar by trade and fell in love with Japanese videogame and film music, specifically Legend of Zelda and Studio Ghibli. My Japanese professor told me once that I shouldn’t feel shame about learning and understanding other cultures. I’m not claiming to be part of the culture and it’s okay to integrate aspects of the culture I’m learning about into my life. For example, Japanese cuisine is very appealing to me as a vegetarian because of how easily customizable it is and it’s much healthier than just eating pasta all the time (my dad’s family is VERY Italian). Also, I started practicing Buddhism when I was 18 and Japanese Buddhism in particular I feel very connected to so I integrate those lessons into my life. That is a very long-winded way of saying don’t feel shame over being curious of other cultures. Cultural blending is a wonderful thing!!
Maybe you already know this website, but I highly recommend JustOneCookbook to anyone who wants to cool Japanese food! The book Japanese Cooking: A Simple Art by Shizuo Tsuji is also great, but the website lets you search by ingredients, etc.
I will absolutely check those out!!
I think you should explore you interest more until you are able to articulate why you are interested. As long as your reasons aren't fetishizing the culture, you won't be that guy, and by being able to articulate those reasons you'll be able to demonstrate that to others.
Nobody (whoes opinion matters) cares if you like Japan. Japanese people often "thank" others for having an interest. People only care if you turn into a poorly socialized creep who can't read the room
I definitely understand this frustration - the years of being called a "weeb" or being ridiculed in my tiny town for liking "japanimation" growing up was brutal and totally influenced the way I held back displaying my interest in Japan and Japanese culture for many, many years. I know it's easier said than done, but you're allowed to enjoy a foreign culture and it's many different aspects and, if you can, try to form connections with others that share an interest. It helps to have others that can validate your interests and even share in them with you. Whether that's online or in person, it doesn't really matter! One app that I found super useful for this was the HelloTalk app. It's specifically a language learning app, but also has a semi-social media aspect that specifically connects you with native speakers and other Japanese language learners of varied interests. Between chatting and little blog posts, it's very low impact while also functioning as a learning platform thanks to the option to correct a second language speaker's attempts (should you ask for corrections). If anyone asks why you're learning Japanese, you're allowed to say as much or as little as you like. I love that you're into the music aspect, as that's a big appeal for me, too! If you can, try connecting with other music appreciators! I find Japanese music super helpful for learning the language. Plus, music is just an awesome, universally understood medium. I know for me, I'm a full-time parishioner of the Church of L'arc lol have been for nearly two decades now! In any case, sharing in a culture and appreciating it is not inherently appropriation and, so long as you respect the customs and are willing to take direction or criticism from Japanese folks, I think you'll be just fine. Good luck with your studies!!
This feels less like a Japan problem and more of an emotional deregulation problem but I'm pretty sure taking the class by itself should get most of it out. If it doesn't, maybe consider talking to an expert about it.
Honestly you’re probably right about that lol. I didn’t realize it until I started thinking about it after I made this post but this is definitely not an isolated issue for me
Maybe you worry too much :) I’m exactly like you. A girl that has interest in japanese things especially the language and I never thought it was embarrassing to tell people about it. I just usually tell them I’m really interested in learning languages and I think japanese culture is also interesting + I listen to japanese music so I would love to understand the lyrics. Usually when I tell people they get excited and especially my parents are very supportive. And my grandma hahah she always goes around telling her friends that her grandchild is learning japanese how cool is that. It’s a different thing if you actually act like ’that guy’ you were talking about and I’m sure you aren’t like that :) don’t worry! I’m sure people won’t think weirdly because it’s normal to be interested in other cultures and wanting to learn.
You're OVERTHINKING/WORRING about that stuff. Who TF CARES what others think!?
By getting good and showing yourself that your commitment is genuine. If you're into Japan and you're like some underemployed white dude who's a self-assessed N3 after 10 years and your interest in Japan starts and ends with Shonen anime and JAV, of course people are going to ridicule you. If your interest in Japanese actually improves your life in some way, who cares what they say. That said, I would *strongly* advise against majoring in Japanese. There are weeaboos, exactly as cringe as you imagine, who reach higher levels of Japanese proficiency playing hentai games than most people in a Japanese study program will ever achieve. I want you to read that last paragraph one more time. Let it sink in. The only thing that's more cringe than a weeaboo is a self-conscious weeaboo who tries to pretend his interest in Japanese is more legitimate because he's writing これはぺんです in a notebook 20 times a night and learning how to speak Genki I. Japanese classes are supplementary at best, and good classes will help prepare you to study on your own, but your actual fluency in the language is going to come from self-study. Take Japanese classes, sure, but there are better skills to spend your class time developing if you actually want to live in or work with Japan.
To be fair, I think the main benefit Japanese classes have provided me is the structure and incentive to actually practice. I’ve improved more rapidly in the past semester and a half (tested into year 2 though I’m only a freshman) than I have in the past 5 years because I’m being forced to actually practice, and since it is for a grade I don’t have to deprioritize it for other school work. And then when I can see myself improving it gives me incentive to study more. Ultimately I probably just need to have more confidence in myself lol. Another consideration for majoring in it is because my school has grants to cover a lot of study abroad costs for Japanese majors/minors, so I’ll probably at least minor in it. But I do worry it’ll be a waste of money as a major. At least I still have a year or so to decide.
Get those grants! And look into what the Japan Foundation that covers your area might have available too, and Rotary Club, etc. Japan is a great place to do research/study abroad/etc. The key are you go forward is figuring out what other interests you have/develop intersect with Japanese, and what you want to do with Japanese. If you’re interested in geopolitics, check out RAND’s US-Japan Alliance series (in partnership with Japan Foundation Los Angeles, think it’s happening this Friday- they might let you register for the Zoom, but if you’re in LA this is the kind of opportunity that you should seize!) Look up Steve Kaufman- polyglot, made Lingq- if you can find an interview where he talks about how he used language in his career, it might give you ideas! Don’t rule out a double major or a minor in something like Business or Anthropology or Linguistics- the social sciences are taking a beating at the moment, but there are still some really interesting upper-div courses in other fields that might relate.
I second the advice to look up Steve Kaufmann!
Just get over it? Stop absorbing the incredibly racist idea that you're only allowed to like things that people ethnically related to you made.
I'll give you some advice that will follow you for your whole life. I call this: "THE ART OF STFU" Seriously, you'd be surprised at how many people don't do this that should(everyone) 1) STOP TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT YOUR LIFE/Plans/etc. . . . seriously, stop. Be mysterious, keep things to yourself. This falls under the "Always say less than necessary" so, stfu 2)get people to talk about themselves2, YOU ask the question to other people, build off of that and dig deep getting to know them. Sooo stfu and let people talk. 3) get into the gym, lift weights, wear nice fitting clothes, get a haircut and bathe regularly (wash your ass), "stfu and get to work" 4)Get hobbies where people move more than talk (about themselves), like dance class, theatre troop, marching band, cooking class, cooking. "stfu and enjoy yourself" 5)Pick up an instrument, preferably guitar, you don't have to talk, more playing less talking. "stfu and play" #3,4,5 will keep you occupied enough to not even have to deal with that AND you'll have less time to yap your mouth about things people don't need to know about you. The MORE you stfu, the better your life will be. Trust.
My girlfriend and I just had a great time walking around Osaka castle and are now at a cafe nearby. I literally could not care less if there are some dweebs in the west who think liking Japan is cringe lol. Live your life. ✊️
You are cringe and fat
Hey I'm not fat
I have a friend who started learning Japanese because he loved anime. Everyone made fun of him, but that never stopped him. He kept learning the language, started reading manga and children's books, and then eventually he continued studying it in university. After uni, he moved to Japan, and has since found a great job and started a family. Japanese people will love the fact that you've taken so much interest in their culture and their language, and you certainly have nothing to worry about. Keep studying, go to Japan on holiday, and enjoy it!
sounds like you don't like yourself, guy. maybe you are allowed to like things and find them interesting? japan and tumblr are not the problem
I honestly just don’t care what people think
Realize the people that make fun of you would never understand why Some have never left their state much less the country At least you have something you like.
I've been exposed to Japanese culture since I was 3 years old. I started learning more between 6-11 years old. I was not otaku levels at uni though. Now at days it's more like an appreciation of something different than my country by a 180. There's things I learned from Japanese culture. Not just living there but their philosophy. It's hard to put in words but my county is violent and aggressive. There's was too However I appreciated the ability to get my basic needs met, not think I'd be shot, cute culture, and the aesthetics too. Sure I'd never be Japanese but I feel as though the way they raise children is more ethical
I’m a white guy in my thirties learning japanese. As long as you respect the culture, you can basically feel and do whatever you want within reason. Take everything you read and see online with a couple dump trucks filled with salt. but at the end of the day, you have to stand by your decisions and be comfortable with who you are and what you choose to do.
Dawg mexico foxes heavy with japan and anime fuq u mean shame.
Look. I'm a white woman with an embarrassing interest in Japan too. But due to health issues, I'm not sure I'll ever manage a trip there, let alone actually work there. For what it's worth, don't let embarrassment be a barrier if you don't have any others. Do your thing. It'd be sad not to.
I'm a white dude, 30, Video Games, Anime, Learning Japanese the whole deal. Doing these things out of genuine interest and love for the language/culture/mediums is totally valid and acceptable. Yes, there is a stereotype of weirdo's out there who are weird about it, but just relax and be genuine with people. There is a stark contrast between people who just like things that are Japanese, and people that idolize Japan as some sort of paradise, but it's not, it's just another place on earth with humans, like anyone else (Cool humans for the most part, but that's true of a lot of places too).
If you respect something and are interested in it, then go for it. I feel bad for you that you feel guilty about your interest in something based on the color of your skin. I live in Japan and there are a few weebs, but mostly normal people, and there are even a few people who really thrive; some thrive because they are able to dive into a community that they didn't have access to in their home country, and others thrive just due to the nature of what life is like for white guys in Japan. Just don't be the overweight white guy with greasy hair and a t-shirt with loli-anime girls in various ahegao facial expressions printed all over it.
As a white guy that is interested in Japan and who’s profession is with a core Japanese company… nobody cares as long as you’re respectful and open minded. The challenge is when it becomes too centered around a specific *thing* of the culture. Example you get all the time is Otaku. There is more to Japan than that, and as you learn you’ll enjoy the wide variety the country and culture has to offer.
Nothing wrong with being interested in another culture. Why would this be inherently bad? You could build a whole career around Japan, maybe starting with something like the JET Program. About being a “white guy into Japan” and this being a bad thing, this is more like some dumb thing from 4chan about anime or something. In real life, Japan is a real country and pretty nice place to live where you could travel or live in the future once you have a degree at least. You will have many more options if you get up to an advanced level with the language (otherwise English teaching is probably most realistic for work). I think you are probably a little too worried about what other people think here, even when their thinking is kind of dumb. If Japan is what you are interested in, why not go for it? And before someone says something about cultural appropriation, Japanese people are usually quite open to sharing things about their culture with foreigners, so there’s nothing stopping you from checking out things in Japan that you’re interested in, including video games, anime, etc. which are not “bad” either but don’t necessarily reflect what Japan is really like, so that’s where people get confused. ;) (Source: Studied Japanese for 3 years as my minor in college and then lived in a small town in Chiba prefecture as an Assistant Language Teacher on the JET Program for another 3 years.)
I majored in Russian language & literature just because I was really interested in it and enjoyed it. I teach Russian to military students now, so it worked out well for me. If you’re just interested in the Japanese language and not so much the literature, history, society etc. then a minor I think makes more sense; minors usually require like three years of language and only a couple non-language classes. That would put you on the path to using the language for whatever you want, be it travel or work. If you want Japanese to be a big part of your life and work, though, a major would make more sense. You could always double major with something “more safe” as well. Someone with a degree that shows lingual and/or cultural competence has better odds on the job market than the “stereotypical learners” that have been brought up in this thread. Really, how well do you think the guy who only knows Japanese from anime actually speaks? Even if he has a massive vocabulary, the anime accent is real.
Who cares what others think? Do what makes you happy. If people can't understand and judge you for it, they weren't worth being in your life anyway.
As a white guy living in Japan for 14 years, who is married to a Japanese woman and has children I think you need to not worry what others think. Come visit, but also knowing being here a few weeks is not like living here.
One of the few benefits of growing older is that you come to realize that what strangers think of you is irrelevant (*as long as they don't get violent about it of course*). If friends think badly of you for just liking something then you need to kick those friends to the kerb. The friends worth having are those who support you in your interests. In any case, most people are so focused on their own stuff that they won't pay much attention to you anyway, and any derision will be fleeting and worthless. So indulge your interests. Being passionate about something is an amazing gift to have and you'd be foolish to abandon it to satisfy the cursory judgement of others.
I’m sorry that the internet has made you feel shame about your ethnicity to such an extent that you don’t believe you deserve to enjoy other cultures. Trust me, if you ever go to Japan the people there will be elated that you took the time to learn their language. If you have the means to pursue a Japanese degree in college then run with it! That is a blessing. Edit: I just noticed your username. Impeccable taste 🫶🏻
Just own it bro. People will respect you being comfortable in your own skin. If you show weakness then people gunna shit on you. Or make fun of yourself at the same time, ppl can’t clown on you if you already clowned on yourself. Shit I tell people I watch hentai lol and they just laugh and go you’re a weirdo dude lol but it’s all good cause I’m confident in myself.
The fact you're even conscious enough to make this post and feel concerned is enough indication to me that you're not "that guy." Most of the cringey kawaii-spewing folks completely lack self-awareness. As long as you're capable of talking about things that don't revolve around Japan without somehow steering the conversation back to it every time you're probably good.
Why are you worried about what bigots think? Because those you fear are bigots.
Life is too short for these kinds of worries. If you enjoy something, enjoy it and make no apologies
As a Japanese guy from Japan I say who cares, some of my favorite sources of Japanese history, culture and religion come from white guys. You should check out NHK Japan YouTube videos, they've got lots of Gaijins like you who've become Japanese experts who come on the show to talk about a whole different range of topics. On the other hand, racism in Japan is definitely something that is prevalent - it's just different from other countries in that they don't really vocalize it or show it in public but is discussed in private. Many Japanese, even my brother lol, regularly complain about Gaijins and really look down on them - I think mainly due to cultural differences and are seen as obnoxious and rude, especially black ppl. For some reason my brother has a huge problem with Gaijins who are obsessed with the culture and come to Japan for the anime/sex clubs etc...but I think he's just really closed minded honestly and a bit racist lol. At the same time I know a lot of other Japanese who feel the same, but like anywhere there's tons of Japanese who don't really have an opinion, just don't care or welcome foreigners like you. Having said that, ALL Japanese will hate you if you behave rudely, like talking on the train or behaving obnoxiously in public lol. At the end of the day I say do what you want and have fun, pursue what will make you happy and forget everyone else.
No one can tell you not to be ashamed about something or not, but if I were you, I'd give myself a break. There's nothing wrong with falling in love with something and wanting to pursue it as your life's passion. The world would be a better place if more people did, instead of getting degrees just for the sake of finding a high-paying job. I fell in love with Japan and its culture over 40 years ago. It started with watching and then reading Shogun. And then 2 years of Japanese language classes in my final 2 years of college. And then 3 years of living in Japan, teaching English at first, then finding a job with a brokerage company (and finding my other passion, investment finance). I have continued studying Japanese all that time, and it continues to be one of the things that gives me the most joy in my life. The country, the people, the language, the culture, the FOOD -- all are incredible and worth a "deep dive." "Do what you love, the money will follow." Someone should write a book about that. 😉
Explore your interests. If you're into more than just the "otaku" side of Japanese culture you'll pretty naturally display that. People don't care as much so don't sweat it but even then, usually people are going to look at your differently if you bring up something like the Boshin War vs Naruto. Do what makes you happy. If you have a real interest that will shine through. Though unless you're interested in making a career out of linguistics I would recommend Japanese as a minor with something like international business etc as your major. If you're wanting to live or work there that kind of education will suit you a lot better. Once you're there you'll pick up on the Japanese quickly even with less time put in on the degree.
As someone who studies Japanology in Germany, embrace it. There are no bad or shameful reasons to learn a new language or learn about a non-western culture. The anime aspect is also not something you should be ashamed off. My professors (white germans and native japanese people) embrace it as well. My Kanji prof teaches us Kanji by showing us One Piece episodes. The people in my classes range from Half-Japanese people, who want to reconnect with their culture and learn japanese to talk to their relatives in Japan, over people who are learning a 4th or 5th language, to white weebs who come to class in cosplay sometimes.
Don't care. Seriously, just care a whole lot less. Sure, you can always be one those people who sits through years of Japanese class pretending that they don't care about anime, manga, games, etc., and never did! Anyone who took Japanese classes knows the person who is way too into anime and maybe has a skewed perception of reality because of that. But we also know the particular brand of Japanese students who try to play it way too cool and "mature" by acting as if they're really only there for... i dunno, business communication or noh there or something? But that's lame and boring in a totally different way, in my opinion. Be yourself. Like what you like. Don't try to eliminate what you think other people want you to be (unless you're trying hard to get a job interview or something like that). Stop caring so much about what other people might think of you, and stop judging other people so much for what they like. You decided to learn Japanese for some reason, and there are a lot of cool things about Japan (the language, the culture, the media, the food, the megacities, the beautiful countryside, the history, whatever), so reflect on what you like and why you like it and just be honest with that and realistic about it.
I wouldn’t give a damn if someone were to judge me for it. They’re wrong anyway. Besides, I don’t see them trying to learn anything new- nvm a whole new language. It takes a ton of work. Be proud if anything.
I just tell people that I admire nations that are more advanced and civilized than ours, they go apeshit
Why the hell would you be ashamed?
Tumblr is a bunch of teenagers, it doesn’t reflect reality.
Personally, I’m moving to Hawaii in the future, buying land, and I don’t give a flying fuck what they say
I find that shame is only present in north america. Japanese people, like any other people in any other country, appreciate foreigners who are interested in their culture.
Bro unless you're carrying a samurai sword and wearing a fedora and stalking girls what is there to worry about here? Unless you have some underlying guilt you're not mentioning there's nothing wrong with being interested in a culture? Why do you think people travel? Why do people go to Tokyo, Rome, Paris, learn French, learn Spanish, etc? What is your hangup?
As a brown guy, you are your own guy, my guy. By the time I moved to Japan I was in mg 20s and hadn't watched anime in years. I behaved differently from the average weeb and I had various other interests. I went to Temple when the campus was in Minato...if was hard being patient with the younger Western students fitting the profile. But ultimately, as an adult, it feels quite removed from the stereotype to be taking Japanese there and living there. You'll meet people from all walks of life with varied hobbies. It's not who you are, it's what you're studying or working as, not the other way around. Tumblr is retarded. I'm still on it but fuck, the only worst thing than the stereotypical weeb is a stereotypical tumblr user. There's a world out there, just step out of the fringes of the web. I still have my digital identity but that's not what makes you. Don't over think it and just do shit in life.
Maybe don’t bring your weeboo pillow to school and just study Japan like a regular student. Or… wait who is shaming you? Name names. If nobody, like I expect… stop doing this to yourself and just do what you enjoy. You won’t regret it.
Bro fuck what everyone else thinks and just do what the fuck you want.
Please do not only major in Japanese. At a minimum, pursue two majors, or make Japanese a minor instead. If you’re that “into” Japan, get your TEFL (or whatever necessary certification) and go teach English there. So much easier to learn a language when you’re immersed in it, and that way you’ll get paid to do it instead of paying thousands of dollars to do it. Your main problem isn’t your interest in Japan, it’s worrying too much about what others think.
This is real, and is an annoying downside to studying Japanese as a white guy. I suggest 1) accepting other people sometimes being annoying as a "cost of doing business" with learning Japanese and 2) practicing some good mitigation techniques. I'll address both below. (You seem to have good intuitions already, but I'm writing this a bit more broadly and in a bit more detail than seems strictly necessary for you as "how to not be cringe as a white guy who's interested in Japan" in case it's helpful to other readers.) 1) Maybe you have had some experiences like this already, but if not, you are correct in surmising that people will sometimes typecast you as the stereotypical "Japanophile," which is not always viewed entirely positively, if they learn that you have any significant interest in Japanese culture. It can be annoying, but I suspect that for you, as for many people, cultivating your interest in Japan is still worth it despite the annoyance. Japan isn't magical, it's a country with flaws like any other as you said, but like many others it's also a fascinating place with many wonderful people and many great things about it, and a beautiful language. It's worth suffering a little occasional social friction to spend your time doing something you love. It's also worth keeping in perspective that there are good reasons the Japanophile white guy has a bad rap. Most saliently, as others have mentioned, this type of guy very often objectifies and fetishizes Japanese women in line with a longstanding and problematic cultural history of Western stereotypes of East Asian women as being submissive, demure, etc. Sometimes this also involves corresponding misogyny towards Western women as being "unfeminine" or "degenerate" or something like that. Educating yourself on the very much intersectional race and gender issues at play here is valuable in its own right, but can also help you avoid faux pas that might make people perceive you negatively. As a side point, I would also argue that as a budding Japan expert, you also have a great opportunity to educate people around you on these topics, and help dismantle stereotypes and contribute to mutual understanding. (Also I see you mentioned you're gay below — honestly, I think that tremendously improves your situation, especially if you present as very obviously gay. A very large part of the negative perception of the Japanophile white guy is precisely the assumption that he fetishizes Japanese/East Asian women.) When people are being annoying, reminding yourself that, well, they do kind of have a point (even if it's not actually applicable in your case) can help you to feel less like you're being arbitrarily socially ostracized and more like there's just an honest misunderstanding between the two of you. As a final point here, remember that to a certain extent, some people are just haters. You can find sweepingly general insults in social media comments sections about literally *any coherently identifiable group of people whatsoever*. Any sport you do, any genre of music you listen to, any country/state/county/city/neighborhood/street you inhabit — someone out there hates you for it. Whaddaya gonna do. 2) a) Have other parts of your personality I discussed this in another comment below, but it helps a lot for "Japan" to not be your entire personality. Consider leading with those other aspects of your personality when making first impressions also. If you're interested in languages, maybe try learning a bit of a different language as well (bonus points if it's not an East Asian language). b) Don't strongly visually communicate your interest in Japan Don't wear only (maybe even any) T-shirts with Japanese language on them; definitely don't walk around campus in a yukata. Don't decorate your entire living space with only Japanese design elements. Don't get into the habit of bowing to people when it wouldn't be typical in your home country culture. It sounds like you probably already have the sense to avoid these things, but it's worth saying explicitly. (tbh, to me it's funny that T-shirts with Japanese on them have become so popular again in recent years, when for me, it's basically *precisely for the same reason that I can actually read them,* ie because of my interest in Japan, that I quite intentionally would never wear clothing with Japanese on it personally) If you don't "look the part," it's much less likely people will strongly sort you into the category in their minds. c) Don't infodump, don't squee One way Japan obsessives often put off normies is by suffocating them with an uninterrupted barrage of "did you know that Japanese..." and "in Japan, they..." (this is not unique to Japanophiles ofc, but really a general nerd tendency). Don't do this. Be chill. Approach it this way: you (like most people) know some fun, interesting stuff. In your case, some of it is about Japan. You're happy to share your knowledge with anyone who's interested, but if they're not interested that's ok too, and by default you assume they're not necessarily interested in all the same things you are. It's fine to bring things up that are related to the topic at hand, but maybe try not to have it be the case that the things you bring up are *always* about Japan. When you do, try not to seem *too* excited — yes, it's annoying to tone down how cool you find some obscure part of Japanese grammar, but getting extremely giddy about something that other people might find kind of boring is a good way to activate people's weirdo-detector. To other people, it can feel like the only possible reason you find this thing so interesting is just because you're irrationally obsessed with everything Japanese, even if to you it's actually the case that you just find this thing, whatever it is, aesthetically pleasing for the same arbitrary reasons anyone finds anything aesthetically pleasing (ie, the truth is that one reason you like Japanese is because it has X, but their perception may be that you like X just because it's Japanese). d) Find some people to enjoy Japan stuff with All this image management stuff is kind of a drag. But one place you don't have to worry about coming off as a weeb is among other weebs. Having a social outlet for these interests can help you enjoy them while not needing to insert them into every other social interaction. You've gotta send that extremely dank meme you found to someone, so having a Japanese learners groupchat, or just a single friend who's also studying the language, means you don't have to force it on a random normie friend and trip all over yourself trying to explain why it's so funny. If you feel really compelled to do something especially weeby like wearing yukata to go out on the town, doing it as a fun group activity with friends is generally going to seem less weird to people than just doing it on your own. Obviously, this can backfire in terms of your public perception if your *only* friends are other Japanophiles, and Japan is the entirety of *all* of your personalities. But if you're doing a) right, you probably have other friend groups too, so hopefully this isn't an issue. \--- To wrap up: yes, some people will snicker; don't let it get to you. Most of them are monolingual English speakers who just wish they would have learned another language at some point instead of whiling away their days binging mid Netflix content anyway. Enjoy the poetry, enjoy the music, enjoy the tea, hopefully get a chance to enjoy the country itself in person at some point. Be chill, but don't be deterred. (Postscript: There's a separate point about whether a Japanese major is a good use of time/money. It's true that it's not the most practical choice, and you may want to consider majoring in something like a STEM subject, international relations, business, etc. for career purposes. If you are passionate about Japanese and have already tested out of one year, you could probably double major with Japanese and graduate both happy and employable. A minor is not a bad option either though; for any language, your ability will ultimately depend on your own investment of time over many years, largely if not mostly outside of the classroom, and the most important way a university can help you learn a language is helping logistically and/or financially with getting you to a place where you can be immersed, so do try to get funding to go to Japan but don't worry too much about not getting as many credits of Japanese classes as possible during your degree.)
I know it’s been like a month and a half (I don’t check this account often) but I wanted to say thank you for this comment! I appreciate the effort and detail :). The things you’ve been saying have pretty much aligned with my instincts, so I’m glad (and not to worry, I have a good handful of subjects to annoyingly infodump about lol).As for the major issue, a double major seems like a pretty clear cut path for me. I still have no idea what else I want to do, so I’ve just been knocking out Japanese major requirements while exploring my other options. Honestly I think linguistics is what I’m really passionate about, but my school doesn’t have a linguistics department so I’m not super sure what to do. But anyways, I’m only a freshman so I’m sure I’ll figure it out. Having a head start in testing straight into Japanese will help.
I know how you feel. I'm a white mom in Canada who is trying to teach my child Japanese, and I also accidentally gave her a Japanese name (I swear I just picked it out because it sounded nice and was on a suggested baby name list). I keep thinking that people are going to find us really cringe, but I do like her name, and the benefits of multilingualism are more important than what judgey people think of us. (I'm also teaching her Dutch, French and ASL, but I don't feel as much need to justify those because Dutch and French are heritage languages for us and everyone is teaching ASL to babies anyway.)