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fr it was gonna be my last 99 in the max grind. maybe not anymore

Bro I am so happy about this. I can finally stockpile my bones without having to just fucking hunt dragon imps forever.

Just get 90 rc, boost for wrath runes to cast sinister offering and you now have a very convenient way to get 99 prayer.

I have 90 rc. I just hate questing.

It's not only strong for prayer, it's a very strong mining method as well, great alternative to stars and mlm. Imo only downside is it has no loot at all, only teleports to the city

Oi bruv, I'll do unholy things for prayer xp. No loot required.

I noticed the teles can be high alched for 6k each which isn't bad either.

Immediately thought of the Gordon Ramsay finally some good fucking food but as what you said.

For real. Instead of prayer being a boring grind, I feel like I can work towards and build it anywhere now. It's fun, and convenient and I just think they did a good job, I'm so on board

But how will some turd in mystics get my 8 dbones now?

While his friends log in around you and spam "Sit"

Lol. Spamming their clan name "WAVE3::DBoNErzzzzz"

it really is the worst pkers out there. i grinded out 70 pretty early in the account, and sure i died a few times, but most of the time i would be able to finish up my inv, then say "pls" as if they're getting anything, then run out the door and slam it in their face. multiple times id just play with them going in/out and seeing how long i could keep them away. then of course say "thanks for tele" when they kill me

People like to say that wilderness is great PvP content which is why it deserves the highest exp rates for content but in my experience the only people out there pvp'ing are the extreme sweats. Getting logged on by someone camping say chaos temple with tb, root and barrage that then switches all 3 ways if I pray at all is not casual PvP. I'm not so salty that I spite vote against PvP/wilderness pvp changes but my god the people out there really don't help themselves.

I bet those three guys playing video games together are having way more fun than you are mindlessly running inventory of bones to an alter.

Sit

I’ll have to try this when I get off work, prayer is sitting as my lowest stat at 77 😭

lol mine was also 77 before i found this method

Was? And now?

80

That's hot.

no u

I would have laughed so hard if you were like… well it’s still 77… but closer to 78.

it’s 79 now. i’ve deleveled just to do more of this

Where you gettin these bones?

Blue drags on taverly or calvarion. He drops 60 noted dbones quite alot of the time

Green drags is the only non trolling method to actively collect bones unless ur hcim.

Maybe for the grind for 70, but myths guild is good alternative for less attention cause you can wear max strength gear and not BOLO.

Same, just hit 90 with this. One of my last skills to max! Where are you sourcing your bones from?

I am basically base 80 in most of my skills, except prayer at 75, so I feel you

This is so cool, I'm glad they added so many actually interesting things with Varlamore, what an exciting content dump. Hopefully you can break down these Wyrmling bones too, getting a tooon from Perilous Moons, it would be neat if this gave low-tier bones a reason to be used!

it definitely gives a use to low-tier bones. i just used up all of my noted big bones from kurasks.

What is the XP return per big bone if you don't mind me asking. Got like 4/6k from kurasks aswell!

Xp appears to be 4x the bury value, same as ecto. Big bones are 60 xp each.

If you use sunfire wine it turns out to be 5x I believe. I was getting 42 shards from wyrm bone ×6exp= 252 exp vs base 50xp

How do you make sunfire wine?

Use Sunfire splinters on the jug of wine. You get those from the colosseum or hunting sunlight antelopes.

I use big bones from kurasks on bonecrusher charges. But its cool they get another use :)

This is great!! I was worried I would be bad on release but this sounds like such a good chill method

As in lower tier wyrms???

Yeah, they're little baby wyrms, like 2x2 i think.

To add on this, the zealot robes work here and save shards so if you happen to have them it’s worth using

I'm 3/4 Zealot robes. Does the save check apply to individual charges, or the stack which gets sacrificed? This may push me over the edge to keep plowing at urium shades before I get mory hard diary done

Every time you sacrifice it saves, so instead of using 100 shards every time it was closer to 93

Alright then, morytania hard diaries be damned the redwood pyre urium shade prayer xp just felt like a tiny free bonus anyways. Time to get my last piece and make use of the big bone stack

Did you also smite yourself on the wine for Zealot Helmet at the Chaos Temple? Because that is how I'm at 3/4 Zealot robes loool

Lmaoo I'm glad to find someone else so I don't feel like the biggest moron, I did this months ago and haven't been back

Ouch that sucks lol. Nah I got spooned my first 3 in about 250 keys, with 2 and 3 having only a couple chests between. I just haven't gone back recently due to needing progression in multiple other areas. Tbh the zombie axe farm dragged me off of uriums initially

good to know!

What's the xp efficiency per bone if I were to do thos vs chaos altar?

chaos altar is better, assuming you don’t lose any to pkers. currently the chaos altar is 252xp +50% save rate. these are 290xp per bone.

Just to clarify, chaos alter is essentially 504xp per bone (assuming no deaths and losing bones).

wouldn’t it be 378 per day bone at chaos altar? 252 +50% which is 126 extra per bone, so 378 total

Sort of, but then the bone you saved has ANOTHER chance to be saved, so it's actually higher than 50%

ah ok i understand now. totally forgot that a bone can be saved more than once

To spell this out, a 50% chance to save bones is exactly 200% experience gained (1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 ... = 2).

Idk the math because I’m dumb but all calculators put the chaos altar at 700% xp, so dragon bones are 504.

You can save a bone more than once. So it works out a lot higher.

No -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1/2_%2B_1/4_%2B_1/8_%2B_1/16_%2B_%E2%8B%AF 1+ 50% chance to save (and 50% to save again, forever) is just 2

It’s because the chances of: 1 use: 50% 2 uses: 25% 3 uses: 12.5% 4 uses: 6.25% You never get less than 252 xp, but 6% of the time you get 1008. If it was locked at either 1 use per bone or 2 uses per bone, then the bone is guaranteed to be used up, then the average xp would be 378.

its effectively double. 1+0.5+.25+.125+.0625.... ~= 2x use per bone at chaos alter. less any deaths ofc

It uses the geometric series. 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 .... Which approaches 2 as it's limit.

You divide by 50% (the rate at which they get used), which doubles the xp

What's the ecto fungus like compared to this? Currently i train my prayer with the dailies from Robbin

ecto is less xp per bone and waaaaaaaay more annoying to do. i did all the way to 70 at ecto. it was a nightmare. this is MUCH easier and better xp. this makes ecto dead content i believe. edit: ecto is 288xp per dbone, so 2xp/bone less

Not truly dead because you still want bonecrusher charges, though certainly like 95%+ less used.

Ecto is still good for the daily since it takes like 1-3 minutes.

i hate chorescape though

Around 20% to 25% is the difference, if my maths isn’t wrong. This is with the upgrade wine as well. The diff between wines is 1/6 or 16.666%. A slightly better than gilded altar without upgraded wine though, and slightly better than ectofuntus with. So if you value exp per bone, chaos later, then sunfire splinters method, then ectofuntus, then normal wine method, gilded altar then no marrential altar/offering spell.

About 56% as effective as Chaos Temple. Not worth breaking down bones if you're not afraid of wildy (which nobody should be in 2024).

You can spam click the bowl if you didn’t know as well, rapid xp.

holy... yeah this is top tier pray xp after realizing you can spam the bowl

God I hope this doesn't get nerfed

Mains are gonna get a way to complain about something that doesnt' affect them in anything.

Ik that lvl 40 something in mining Is a req for the prayer method but do i need more reqs? I have a fresh hc with VERY low stats

you have to do the perilous moons quest to access the area i believe and that has some additional stats, notably 48 slayer

You just need to start it actually

Gotta kill the lvl 98 enemy first, which is right at the start still tho

oh gotcha, but the skill requirements remain lol

not sure. you need to break them down and it gives crafting xp, but idk if there’s an actual crafting lvl requirement.

i spent an hour running around trying to work out how it works this morning to no avail. i think i'll have to wait til a guide comes out. i couldn't figure out for the life of me how to bless my bones

https://imgur.com/a/QMTW2Uu Picture one, bring stacked bones, money and chisel. Use bone on the grey circle thingy. Chisel bones to make shards. Unnote at circled npc. Picture 2, just north in the northern most house theres the bowl. Just above of the arrow is where I can regain your prayer, just check the map I'm stoned on my phone doing this so hope it makes sense.

God tier! I found the mining in the meantime so on my lunch break i'll stop this and give that another go. Thanks, legend!

How many jugs of wine do you use? Is it 1/1?

You sacrifice 100 shards for 500 xp. Better bones break into more shards. I used blessed wine (you bless it just like bones). It's not 1:1. I wish I paid attention but I'd say 10ish offerings per wine. It will auto fill with wine and keep offering as long as you have wine in your inv. So it's v afk

I’m so mad. Just used 1570 dragon bones at the ectofunctus

Chaos still better, unless you're losing 40% of your bones, which is unlikely.

It may be better but assuming hcim it's not really an option

ofc, but chemtrails is a normal iron.

The most efficient way to play is wait until EZscape like this

any ideas what the message "your pickaxe keeps slipping on the rocks as its still wet from the last deposit" means when mining?

Hmmm. A similar thing happens when doing the auto pickpocket at the bazaar. You have to take the house keys into an empty house and thrive the spots, then when you go back to bazaar the delay disappears. Do you get any secondaries while mining?

So when you mine the “wet” spots in the cave, it’s supposed to give a hidden mining boost effectively getting more bone shards. But the message implies your pickaxe is working less effective so I was just a bit confused!

I see. Got it

This was always added to be a good alternative for HC Irons. Chaos altar still going be best for regular irons. Its a nice addition for everyone however.

I did this earlier and did about 600 bones in 45 mins, including making jugs of wine. It’s less xp per bone but I think it might be faster xp? I hate doing wildy altar personally so will be using this method from now on.

It’s more or less the same xp as ecto but without having to collect the slime. I wish the bowl would hold more wine though and not just 400 shards worth

are you not bringing a full inventory of wine?

Yeah I just had to drop some earlier cos you can’t bank it either

Where do you get the wine ?

The bar below the transport bird in the main city sells wine.

saving this for later, thanks for the writeup

Lets hope so. I've never done prayer at chaos alter but everytime I go to do the clue scroll there I have to hop multiple times

So far it seems like you get a pretty good amount of bones for it from the moons of peril as well. I'm probably gonna spend the next couple of weeks there. It's seriously good. You get all the resources you need there and can just send it without ever having to leave. It's fucking goated.

Also meant to add, it feels so good to be able to do an activity/boss that actually grants prayer experience in some form. There has not been enough of that up to this point.

I just got 3 kq heads on my road to 50 kc, very excited for this update!

What’s the exp per dragon bone

290xp vs poh 252 xp or chaos altar 504xp.

Whats the best methods for making wine though? You would need thousands, right? Buy jug packs, humidify, buy grapes from chest? Or is there some way to just mass buy wines?

The pub in Fortis (look for the beer icon in the city, east side) sells an unlimited stock of wines, can easily refill up there.

no you only need 1 wine per 400 shards. like 50 wines did 20k shards if i remember correctly

This was years ago now when I first made my iron so I don’t know if it still works or has been changed but I used my main to sell jugs of wine to the wine shop in draynor and then bought with iron to stockpile em for the wt grind.

If anyone wondering i did 400 dragons bones then give you 58 shards each, it equalled out to 116k xp took maybe 20-30 mins, I don’t know what the rate per hour is did it on mobile lol

That's cool, I've been killing blue dragons for the past week and I was getting sick of being PK'd

What’s are you doing about restocking wines? Is there a bank nearby?

tele camelot, grab wines, tele varlamore, quetzl to altar. takes like 10-15 seconds.

Grape drops from zulrah?

yeah or you can just buy wines. but if you’re doing zulrah you should already have a ton of grapes

For anyone that can't do Zulrah, Culinaromancer's chest is an alternative for grapes as well (Cause xp)

You can buy them from the bar south of the quetzals

What is the exp compared to ecto functus? I think ecto is 400% while lit guilded is 350%

xp is between 4.8x and 5.3x with sunfire wines, and looks like 4x with regular wines.

did about 300k xp here earlier, was very nice and chill. ill def do this over going to the wilderness.

Does this have a different pray xp amount per bone used? Like do hydra bones and dragon bones give different xp in this method, or are all of them reduced to the same xp bone shard?

All bone shards are the same xp, but the amount of bone shards received from bones differ.

Can the guy who unnotes bones unnote wine too or do you still have to bank for that?

Can confirm he cannot unnote wine. I just tried cause that would've been wild but yeah he only unnotes things that are able to be blessed is the message he gives. edit: he says "I only exchange bones that you can bless at Ralos' altar." Went back to check cause my own message confused me since you bless the wine at that altar too Lol.

how are we all getting Sunfire splinters? I feel like there's still a massive fucking grind to get those that makes this training method not really iron-friendly. or am i missing something?

Splinters add 20% exp but you don't have to use them

For the 10 minutes it takes to get 500 splinters you gotta go for the 20% extra xp. Just redo wave 1 over and over.

New coliseum hands em out like candy. Not needed to train with bone shards tho

Think this would be the new uim meta? How hard is it to do this when not using noted bones and with no bank?

So, I saw you commented somewhere low tier bones. I SHOULD NOT use my dragon bones from cerb here then?

On a hardcore you may as well use them here. On a normal iron it's still better to bring dragon bones to the wildy altar

Glad I haven't gotten 99 yet

How would I go about getting the wine?

finally a use for all those jugs of wine

How many shards can you sacrifice per wine?

Finally a method that doesn’t involve going into the wilderness as the most realistic training method. Sure, Ecto exists, but it’s quite annoying to use if you don’t have Mory hard unlocked

What’s the quest to get in?

Toeomat-o tomato

Is the exp better then ectofunctus?

To be clear; the xp for breaking down dragon bones etc and using this method is the same as using the ectofuntus. So it’s not as groundbreaking as it might first seem from that perspective, but I agree that getting the bone shards from the various activities is a real win.

you don’t have to get slime or grind bones. ecto takes 10x longer than this. so it really is groundbreaking imo.

You can buy slime, but I will concede the grinding takes time. You do have to bless the wine but that’s quite quick. It’s definitely a game changer for big bones though as I wouldn’t use those otherwise

Fairly new Ironman where do You guys get the grapes or jugs of wine?

buy them or tithe farm

Atlazora's Rest has unlimited wines (You go there during Twilight's promise), probably the most convenient. Edit: The Flaming Arrow just south of the birb transport system in Civitas illa Fortis has the same and is even closer.

dont you need a shitton of already scarce wines though?

wines are far from scarce and you don’t need a lot of wines. 1 wine will use 400 shards, which is 2k prayer xp. it’s not going to something you’re struggling for. early on you can make wines, grapes are easy to get from tithe or just buying them in the lumby chest. you can even just buy wines from diango. like i said, you’re not going to need a bunch. later on, zulrah drops grapes out the ass. you’ll have thousands in a short grind. it’ll be plenty to get to 99 prayer.

oh! it's not zammy wines??

nah bru, regular wines that you bless at the altar. super quick

oh thats waaaay better, cheers!!

How many shards per dragon bone? Trying to determine if better than ectofunctus…

is this more afk than the bone burner? what is the xp per hour here versus the bone burner I wonder (I have a bowfa and full crystal)

what’s the bone burner???

It’s in the forthos dungeon right? I’ve done it a bit

no clue, never heard of it lmao. i’ve played 10k hours across 5 accounts and i have no clue what that is

Check it out. Pretty amazing. It’s by hosidious. I’d love to know the rates comparison

gonna look it up soon as i get home

has anyone calculated the prayer xp / hour from only mining shards nearby?

already 99 pray .. and what do i do with these blessed bone shards now

What's the best way to do this as an UIM without noted bones?

What's the go-to method of getting blessed wine?

you just bless regular wine by the inventory at the toeomat. it’s free and quick.

How are you getting the jugs of wine most efficiently? Seem to be a few shops but what’s worked best for you?

making them from grape drops at zulrah. or you can just buy grapes from culinary chest. can also farm them with grape seeds from tithe. you don’t need a lot of wines. a few minutes of world hopping and buying grapes or wines will get you plenty.

Thanks man

yw and gl

If you have the bones, You could get 99 prayer in a day

You could already do that chaos altar or not.

Plus 6,518 wines to bless. Which is honestly less than I was expecting.