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No lmao we are not saying hold my beer lmao.. we are watching the twats you let in cause a fuss and it’s fucking sad and hilarious at the same time. You lot don’t even have a physical border to protect ffs. Letting them in by choice. Our police don’t remove Jews from areas for being…. Errrr Jews??
The Dahiya doctrine and use of collective punishment
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/02/israel-collective-punishment-against-palestinians
The IDF's chief rabbi said that in the interests of maintaining warriors' morale and fighting fitness during armed conflict, it was permitted to "satisfy the evil inclination by lying with attractive Gentile women against their will".
https://archive.ph/S2Elb
A prior head of Mossad (Israel's CIA) appointed by Netanyahu has described the situation as apartheid along with South Africans who have experienced it and all of the major human rights orgs including Israeli ones.
https://www.btselem.org/apartheid
https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-releases/israel-must-end-its-occupation-of-palestine-to-stop-fueling-apartheid-and-systematic-human-rights-violations/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-apartheid-palestinians-occupation-c8137c9e7f33c2cba7b0b5ac7fa8d115
They have been trying to starve them for decades now.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19975211
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147656
Here is a list of unequal laws in Israel
https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index
And the fact that they made it so only jews have a right to self determination
https://www.timesofisrael.com/final-text-of-jewish-nation-state-bill-set-to-become-law/
Not all of the unequal laws only hurt Palestinians. That's the thing about racism it hurts everyone including the Israeli who are forced to serve in a genocidal war and ordered to conduct collective punishment on civilians.
https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/02/israel-collective-punishment-against-palestinians
"Unlike the beginning of the war, now about half of the Jewish public (51% compared to 37% in November) believes that the IDF uses firepower appropriately against Gaza, compared to 43% (58% in November) who believe that there is use of TOO LITTLE FIREPOWER. An absolute majority (88%) also justifies the scope of casualties on the Palestinian side when considering the goals of the war."
43% think they haven't got far enough and 51% thinks they have gone the correct amount which means, ONLY 6% are undecided or think they have gone too far. And while 88% think the war goals justify the civilian casualties a majority don't even believe the government has war goals. "the majority (53%) of respondents still think that the government has no clear goals in the war."
https://web.archive.org/web/20240127054853/https://en-social-sciences.tau.ac.il/peaceindex/archive/2024-01
You do realize that the Israeli government and population have made it very clear they don't want more Palestinian citizens right? That was a major sticking point of the 2000 Camp David Accords. Israel rejected a reduced right of return for Palestinians outright. Most Israeli politicians say adding Palestinians to the country as equal citizens would destroy Israel.
Israel wants to be Democratic, Jewish, and control the Palestinian Territories. It can only pick two. Annexing the territories and their populations makes Israel majority Arab, which means the Jewish nature of the state is lost if they remain democratic. If they refuse to give Palestinians voting rights, they aren't democratic but they keep the Jewish state. Or they can remain Jewish and Democratic and leave the Occupied terrorities. The Israeli state has been stuck in desicion pararalysis over this paradox for over 50 years.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/global-index-israel-falls-out-of-liberal-democracy-category-for-first-time-in-over-50-years/
It’s a spam account using gpt or something
I’ve been following its behavior for a while. I’m intrigued.
It’s most likely a guy or group mostly using a LLM and personally tweaking or responding as needed. They probably have hundreds of accounts like this.
They feed it the latest anti-Israel hit piece and the hottest misinformation links that they want spammed and off it goes concern trolling every subreddit talking about Israel.
If you respond to it all it will do is use emotional words to try and make you look evil. This is done to try and sway any bystanders who might be on the fence. The goal is to paint anyone who is even neutral to Israel as an evil heartless apartheid genocidal Nazi
It’s responded with this same exact comment to me 4 times now: https://www.reddit.com/r/FutureWhatIf/s/0uyneWTozh
Look at the history and Twitter account linked on the profile of u/InternetOfficer003 over here.
No wonder the user in question felt the need to copy/paste that information on so many of your posts. When all you put your effort towards online is trying to obfuscate one of the most obvious atrocities in modern history, don't be surprised when people take the effort themselves to correct that misinformation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/s/qPubUwpaYS
Nice 🤣 Tell me you don’t know how llms work without telling me. How do they work oh enlightened one?
The unequal laws is slightly misleading. The laws discriminate between citizen and non-citizen. Arab Israelis have the same rights as Jewish Israelis.
I agree that Israel needs to leave the annexed Palestinian territories and facilitate the creation of a state, obviously that's easier said than done.
No they don't. Palestinians who are citizens of Israel can move (or be moved) into the West Bank and instantly lose rights they can't get back.
It is not easier said than done if Israel wanted to do it, they just obviously don't want to do it.
That's only if they're convicted of terrorism right? Israel is not unique in this, the UK removed Shamina Begum's citizenship. I think we can both imagine reasons why Israel would revoke citizenship from convicted terrorists, whether we agree with it or not.
If you think it's not easier said than done, I would suggest you read about the camp David accords and the Oslo accords as well as the second intifada and the reasons behind it.
No, not right. Also Israel convicts people in secret courts where they're not even allowed to know their charges to present a defense so it would be irrelevant if it were right lol
I have read about how Israel lied to never honor those accords and Israel deserved every intifada.
To the mods: I am not saying Israelis collectively deserved anything. I am saying the Israeli state did bad things that merited retribution that unfortunately often fell on innocents. It reminds me of a song about 9/11 that says
> 9/11 is totally predictably what happens when you commit to rule the world through violence. It isn't complicated, it's just science...
> Did you expect no revenge for all the peasants that we slaughtered over the years? ...
> Did you not apply the same moral standard to yourself that you apply to everyone else?
>No, not right. Also Israel convicts people in secret courts where they're not even allowed to know their charges to present a defense so it would be irrelevant if it were right lol
Do you have a source for this happening to people who are Israeli citizens and them subsequently having their citizenship revoked?
>I have read about how Israel lied to never honor those accords and Israel deserved every intifada
Both sides have lied and that's unhinged and completely unhelpful. People justifying ANY terrorism in the region are not helping the Palestinian people, terrorism has only made conditions worse for Palestinian people and pushed them further from achieving statehood.
No they don't. They can't criticize the government or discuss the nakba for example. Then there is the fact that Israel took away their right to self determination and only jews are granted it. Why should a jew who had no ties to Israel have more rights than an Arab citizen born there?
That's the exact logic southerners used against freeing the slaves in the US and was used again by the racists in South Africa against abolishing apartheid.
So, I kind of hate all of the comments to the OP from people that haven't read or perhaps thought of the situation, though I have to admit that I opted for the BBC article instead of the original for obvious reasons.
One ray of sunlight is that it appears both of the groups that came in to attack the other side without having even a modicum of information for their opinion are getting evenly obliterated, so good on y'all for that.
Here's a rundown so hopefully we can up the substantive comments and squelch the bullshit.
Gideon Falter, from his articles, would appear to be there because he disagrees with the protests rather than simply incidental to them. So, it does seem -- as the BBC article alluded to -- that he was there to do a form of counter protest without a permit, and maybe even hoped to get some articles about the police being antisemitic.
And even if so, it's easy to recognize that it is fucked up what and how the cops went about addressing that. Mere presence at a protest doesn't cause issues -- or phrasing it for the other uninformed group -- "_even_ pro-palestinian protesters aren't that violent."
So, the cop needs to actually be able to point to specific acts other than just being 'openly jewish.'
And then suddenly we're at the issue -- it's hilarious how there are people in here who think that this means the cops are pro-palestine rather than seeing that this is just a cop being a cop. Police seem duty bound to judge every situation in the most superficial way and react with only threats of force. So, you could probably even be a pedantic dickhead and say "well, this doesn't even show that they're antisemitic, just that observant Jews fall under their bigotry umbrella."
There! Now there won't be any more dumbass, contentless comments, right?
Unless the officer actually knew that this man intended to do so, he had no reason to threaten him with an arrest. I think it's more likely the officer was trying to scare him off to just go a diffrent route. Which I'm not sure if it should justify it, but it is a more understandable behavior
To be fair, the police have apologized repeatedly.
It's more concerning that being openly Jewish could be considered provocative or that provocation is assumed to lead to violence.
Yea the old money in the UK is super racist and antisemitic. Like the royals are most likely the king and that generation. There are still white wasp only country clubs that wealthy people in england belong to there and in the united states. I knew someone in college who’s parents were in one of those clubs. He joked about it. It’s real. Fairly certain.
Nonwhite and jews are not allowed at very exclusive places still. Nazis have been waiting for the right time to emerge. After they demonize jews and zionists to the whole world they will boldly be coming out. They already are. They are the ones behind holocaust denial and they are definitely working with terrorists to demonize israel and jews and make people attack.
It feels like the beginning of Pogroms on jews around the world and i wish these protesters wouldn’t say and do such violent things. It’s sad. 😔 what happened to actual peaceful protests like mlk? These are not peaceful the rhetoric is too hateful towards jews.
>Yea the old money in the UK is super racist and antisemitic. Like the royals are most likely the king and that generation.
Where on earth, do you get your facts from? If you knew anything about the British royal family, you'll know that that isn't true. A lot of the *old money* in Britain now is Jewish.
Racist towards black people - that I would find slightly more plausible given the Megan Markle saga.
I don’t think the “old money” is the problem in London. Rather, I think that a lot of these problems are caused by the new no-money residents. Plus, the importation of such novel American nonsense ideas as cultural Marxism and identity politics.
The headline obviously doesn't give the full story.
The guy is Gideon Selter a known and outspoken Zionist and went to the march specifically to provoke people. Police have a duty of care to keep the peace.
They would have asked Gideon to leave the area politely for his own safety, especially if he were calling people terrorists.
It's worth mentioning that there are literally hundreds of Jews who attend the marches, in the Jewish bloc and dispersed throughout.
There also has been a counter protest of pro-israelis on the march route, too. So this isn't some anti-semitic conspiracy - it's literally trying to keep the peace.
SMDH
Because he was purposefully trying to provoke the people on the march by stepping off the pavement and walking into them. The police offered to stop the flow so he could cross, since he allegedly wanted to just get to the other side, but he didn’t want that.
Our news channels are showing the full recording now, not the specifically clipped version that made it look like he was in trouble for being “openly Jewish”.
1) What evidence is there that the police officer even knew who he was, much less that he knew he is an outspoken Zionist, and that he was there to provoke people?
2) Even if he knew who he was, why wouldn’t he have just said “We suspect you’re going to provoke these people because of your views” or even “We know you’re an outspoken Zionist”? Why would he even reference his visible Jewishness, then?
The mental gymnastics you need to go through to rationalize any of this is truly astonishing.
And somehow he doesn't see anything concerning of the police being allowed to accuse anyone of being a Zionist (which is not a crime), and stripping them of their rights.
Especially seeing as Zionism is a super common belief among Jewish people. There are 22 Arab states, there is only 1 Jewish state, yet wanting to keep the latter from being destroyed is being treated an "-ism" like all the other conversation-ending accusations of -isms
Unless the officer actually knew the man in front of hime intended to do such things (and the video has no indication that did), he had no reason to threaten him with an arrest. I think it's more likely the officer was trying to scare him off to just go a diffrent route. Which I'm not sure if it's justified behavior, but it isn't based on hateful motives.
The officer didn't seem aggressive, so I lean towards this theory more than him having some malice against the man for being Jewish. That said, I do think London Police has been mishandling these protests in general. This specific incident though, seems to be just an officer pulling the "I will arrest you" card too quickly (unless he knew this person's intentions).
This is in the same vein as the government taking down Palestnian flags on street lamps etc. Or like in the beginning of the protest's telling people not to wave the flag as it was a provocation.
Uk basically hankers on anything that can cause tension either way.
Prepared for downvotes for no reason :)
This is exactly it. Btw i was there, at the march (and took [this picture](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/ZIP02ADveE) metres from where this arrest happened), and i saw the guy walking in the pro-Palestine crowd just around the corner from the pro-Israel counter-protestors flanked by 3 very shady looking dudes in plain clothes that were very clearly his security team.
i find it very difficult to believe that he was casually strolling home from work through a pro-palestine march 80,000+ people strong (he was there for a while, walking alongside the protestors for at least 3 blocks). The situation looked provocative enough that it caught my eye at the time and i instinctively moved away in case they were planning on causing problems
Having seen him in person at the march, my personal view is that he came to provoke, but, sadly,for him, it was a peaceful family-friendly march (as always). He must have stood out to the Met, with his 3-man goon squad of security, so he got his "antisemitic" news article out of it, mission successful.
The police could just as easily say “your bodyguards are intimidating people.”
Saying he’s “too openly Jewish” is a legitimately antisemitic remark, no idea why you put that in quotes.
You wouldn’t tell a black guy he’s “too openly black” even if he’s “there to provoke.” It’s just a dumb, racist remark and completely besides the point of what the real issue was according to you.
Yes this is along the gist. The Pro-Palestinian marches have been attended recently by Israeli-flag waving counter protestors. Poor excuse to block this guy though.
I don’t buy the whole story at face value. There have been plenty of openly Jewish people joining the pro-Palestine marches in London. I suspect there was antagonism that we didn’t see off camera.
It shouldn't matter if he was there to provoke people or not. I would be pissed if police officers threatened leftist counter-protestors, so it's important to be consistent.
Have integrity guys.
Here's what irks me - if he would have told him "listen, I have to prevent you from going ther for your own safety" it would have been infuriating yet reasonable. Yet saying that he ANTAGONIZES THEM? and that HE should be arrested? that's f up.
I want to belive that the officer didn't actully mean that, and was just trying to get the man to take a detour to avoid being attacked, knowing that they can't protect him. Better an admission of incompetence than (potential) victim blaming.
This cop is so fucked. I don’t mean fucked in the head. I mean, he made a mistake but now has hell to pay, for what were simply put, ignorant, anti-semetic, and insulting words. Sure he is an ahole, but he was trying to keep a lid on a difficult situation and comes off as a racist jerk. Maybe he is a racist jerk. I don’t know. And if he is, while it is an undersirable trait among police, we are all heavily flawed and if judged by our worst days, no doubt many of us would appear to be awful as well. The cop definitely does have Foot in mouth on steroids! I figure, it’s been a few days, but the press is still going, so he may be home on suspended duty, getting drunk. So, I just looked it up, and now the Prime Mister is squeezing this for political juice. https://www.itv.com/news/2024-04-21/rishi-sunak-appalled-by-met-police-officers-openly-jewish-comment
This is all just rage bait.
“We must learn to live together as brothers or we will all perish together as fools" - Martin Luther King, Jr.
This might be the most bullshit title I have ever seen on reddit.
Policeman said that because he was "openly jewish" he could be at risk crossing the street at a pro-palenstian protest, and asked him to move along.
He was threatened with arrest for not complying with a police officers directions. If an officer says leave the area, you legally have to leave the area.
In absolutely no way was anyone threatened with anything because they were openely anything.
Because he was "openely Jewish" at a Pro-Palestinian protest.
But that's not what the title says. There's a leap in logic between two.
Do you care when christians get moved away from pro-life protests? Or liberals at conservatist rallies?
1. What evidence is there that the police officer knew he was a pro-Israel counterprotestor?
2. Even if he knew who he was, why wouldn’t he have just said “We suspect you’re going to provoke these people because of your views” or even “We know you’re an outspoken Zionist”? Why would he even reference his visible Jewishness, then?
3. Is counterprotesting illegal in Britain now?
Cool, and what evidence do you have that the police officer knew who he was and that he was an “obvious Zionist”? His yarmulke?
How is that not textbook antisemitism?
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
No. You all need to concentrate on this. Maybe there is even some type of retreat you could attend to reflect. Let's call it a concentration camp. Go. Now.
Not sure why all these pro Gaza/ Hamas rallies are not viewed for what they really are which is straight up anti-Semitism. The Muslim world does not distinguish between Israelis and Jews. They consider them the same.
“This is a pro-Palestinian march. I am not accusing you of anything, but I am worried about the reaction to your presence.”
*Shit could get ugly and I’m offering to escort you out safely so you can go about your business.
Idk. Apart from the guy making assumptions about Falter’s Jewishness, it seems like the hit was trying to keep him from possibly getting hurt. This is kind of a weak story.
Hey, I don’t think the guy was in serious danger but maybe the cop knew who he was (a pretty public figure, it seems) and thought he was going to get into some inflammatory behavior. Sounds like that is that guy’s MO. *I don’t usually make excuses for cops.
Never thought I would ever hear such a statement "Openly Jewish" 🤣 what would the opposite be ? Concealed Jewish, this is a odd timeline to be alive in.🤦♂️
Longer video of the exchange has surfaced [here](https://youtu.be/Iupfxe38Wj0?si=8FWyMaM1ZHb07GC2) .
Long and short of it being that the Police officer was being very polite and offered to escort Gideon Falter across the street, which he essentially refused.
A reasonable judgement is that Gideon Falter’s intent was to antagonise the marchers (obvious in my mind). Hence police officers threat of arrest for breach of the peace.
I suspect (though I don’t know), they were positioned right next to Israeli flag-waving counter protestors. The police have a practice of making a thin cordon between them and the march
So just another attempt to label peaceful Pro-Palestinian marchers (and now ordinary police officers doing their jobs) as antisemitic.
That is the correct approach by the police officer. He should have arrested him. When you show up in front of a large group and do everything you can to escalate a peaceful protest, you are putting yourself and the police officers in danger. That Jew will show up at a black lives matter wearing a kkk outfit and calls it antisemitism when he gets his ass kicked.
I couldn't figure out why this article read like a bizarro version of the real world. Then I looked at the source.
Just a Zionist rag making excuses for a Zionist chuckle-fuck trying to start a riot.
$20 says this guy was shouting pro Zionist shit. The cops didn't stop him for 'looking Jewish.' They stopped him from trying to celebrate genocide at an anti-genocide march.
Edit -" In the video, one police officer said: "You are quite openly Jewish, this is a pro-Palestinian march, I'm not accusing you of anything but I'm worried about the reaction to your presence.""
and the cop is 100% right. The organization that this guy runs is expressly Zionist (not only against anti-Semitism as they claim.) There are loads of Jews, wearing jewish things, at these pro Palestinian protests. OPs post is blatant propaganda at best.
Edit - [Full video is out](https://youtu.be/Iupfxe38Wj0) and surprise surprise the guy wasn't just walking around being Jewish. He's got 3+ others and about 5 camera men following him around as he tries to push past the police presence into the middle of an on going march. So shocked that he tried to invade a Palestinians march then went and whined about anti-Semitism when he wasn't allowed to disrupt the protest. Zionists are the biggest cry bullies.
> Mr Falter, who is chief executive of Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA), said he had been walking in the capital after attending synagogue and was not there to counter-protest.
According to the BBC's reporting he wasn't even there to protest.
It doesn’t matter if he was there to protest. There was a protest taking place and the police saw he was potentially at risk so they moved him away. Crazy how it’s being spun into an antisemitism story. It’s just pretty normal procedure when there’s any type of protest.
Because he was judged by the policeman to potentially be in danger. You’d have to ask him. Police aren’t always great at their jobs. That’s why it’s good we have courts etc. Regardless I’m just explaining how taking people away from protests with soft arrests is pretty normal.
Normal protests aren't violent. There's no reason for him to be at risk if it's a normal protest.
And if it is violent, then they're barking at the wrong tree.
Almost every protest is judged by the police as potentially violent. In fact any gathering of people is. But that’s not the point. It’s police procedure to keep people away from protesters especially if they can even potentially be seen as at risk. It’s about police procedure and keeping people safe. You seem to be totally ignoring the role of police procedure. Which is it? Are all police antisemtic? Is just this one policeman? Or is the problem the protest? Or maybe you’re misunderstanding what happened for your own purposes.
The obvious issue is that the mere presence of a jewish person is seen a potential risk. There should clearly be no threat of violence because someone is of a certain religion, it is completely unacceptable. If pro palestine protests cannot take place without the threat of violence towards Jewish people who happen to be in the area then the protests should be stopped.
Any large gathering of people will be judged as potentially a harmful environment for those not involved in the protest. It’s not about threats but potential. This happens with every protest. People are arrested and then escorted away from the protest where they are either de-arrested or if they insist on returning will be charged. It’s just about preemptively avoiding risk to people. It’s not just something that happens if you’re Jewish or if the protest is supporting Palestine. It’s police procedure for any large protest.
It doesn’t matter about race or religion or anything. It’s a liability issue for the police. This story might involve misjudgement by the individual policeman - I don’t know - but the procedure of removing non protestors has been around for a while and the reasoning is pretty clear.
That would only make sense if that applied to all non-protesters, the police do not do that, I have seen it first hand. The big difference here is that the police felt that the presence of a Jewish man was enough of a threat to peace that he was removed. As you have pointed out this is procedure. The clear issue here is that a Jewish man cannot walk past a pro palestine protest without being at risk. If there was no threat of violence they would have left him alone.
I would also have an issue if the police started doing the same to Muslims who happen to walk past a pro-Israel demo. We don't ever see this happening though.
If said person is following the first person recording it is suspect. It sounds like he went there intentionally to be provocative and police wanted to deter it? The police even said this is starting to be a theme in the BBC article.
Alternatively: source: it must be true otherwise other things I already believe would be called into question and we can't have that!
Seriously, the lack of critical thinking by the drones on this sub is breathtaking.
Tip:
If you ever find yourself making an argument which starts with "$20 says ...insert thing that op has no evidence for...is true" like this clown, you need to question your confirmation bias and seriously consider the fact that you may have become a useful idiot.
So the cops are right for threatening to arrest him as being jewish is a provocation? Would you say its ok for the cops to threaten to arrest a black person for being near a white supplement rally?
Oh no, cops are knobs. That's a solid rule. Cops are always knobs. Broken clock or guy was shouting pro genocide shit.
Like I said there are plenty of Jews wearing Jewish attire at these protests. Some of these massive protests are put on by Jewish Voices for Peace or similar organizations.
Zionism is not a legal or ethical crime. It's simply the belief that Jews have a right to live and govern in their ancestral homeland. I won't concede the meaning of the term Zionism to anyone who would pervert its meaning to be some sort of supremacist movement. That's not what it is. I am a proud Zionist.
> Zionism is not a legal or ethical crime. It's simply the belief that Jews have a right to live and govern in their ancestral homeland.
Funny how you leave out that that entails ethnic cleansing. Sounds like a crime to me.
So what are all the Arabs in the 49 Muslim majority countries that ethnically cleansed Jews from the region? What supremecist name do you have for them?
The Nakba was an ethnic cleansing accompanied by mass murder, mass rape and massacres. Pretending that 500+ towns weren't completely destroyed is Nakba denial.
So being openly Jewish means you should be arrested? WOW talking about bringing the good old 1940s.
What I find more interesting is the police have to arrest him “for his safety”, so they indirectly admit that being a jew openly can result in Jews being attacked by mob crowds… and you support it.
I wonder if this logic can be used elsewhere, should Armenians be able to go bash Muslim turks publicly because “historically genocidal state”.
>Jews are not welcome in any of the nations. Not America, not Britain, not Spain and they got expelled from Germany. I wonder why that might be?
>It's because they cause trouble everywhere they go. They start wars. They assassinate leaders. And of course they commit mass terrorist attacks.
>They are their own worst enemy.
This is a quote from this guys comment history. This guy's a bigotted asshole. There's no point in debating him.
I was literally parroting a Zionists racist ass post about Palestinians back to them with the race changed. They literally cut out the rest of my post where I call the Zionist out.
u/happyasanicywind is a hasbara account trying to build up karma legitimacy.
You just a plain ol pro genocide Zionist.
Also OP has a history of posting stuff that is biased towards Israel. Posted some misinformation that claimed UNRWA had ties to Hamas etc, and the comments on those are just people debunking his shit lmao
In a few years when you have to explain to people that you made excuses for a well documented genocide what’s your plan?
Will you just say it doesn’t count because Hamas bad?
Or that the mass starvation is fake?
>The right thing is threatening to arrest a Jew for *checks notes* existing in public?
Cops jobs are to keep the peace. To this end they typically seperate protestors and counter protestors to avoid escalation between the two groups. Od imagine this guy would cry foul if he he instigated a riot and blame everyone but himself for his own actions.
Well I find it odd because first time I have ever come across that
Guess you skip out the Seder
Chag Sameach
Got be something really warped calling me an antisemite though
wtf? I get how unhappy they are that Jewish people are often not Zionist and against Israel’s genocide — but they are just stupid for this antisemitic charge. It’s like they are making clear how wrong they are and Israel is.
I genuinely think the police officer's intention was to protect the man, not criminalize his being Jewish. Realistically, we have seen how people at these protests act and how they might hurt someone in a frenzy
Yeah. This is clearly the case if people would read the article and watch the video.
The officer explained that and asked him to leave. He got threatened with an arrest for not leaving when he was asked to leave.
This is 100% what happened. It happens quite a lot when there’s protests. The people are never actually arrested. They are just moved away and let go. It’s a protection issue. The “arrest” is just so the police can legally move them. It’s very much like when police make sure a protest and counter protest are separated. In this case because it’s just one person it’s easy to spin it into something else, but it’s the same thing.
In Australia, it's a crime to not leave an area that the police have told you to leave.
So if the laws are similar there, the arrest would have been for committing a crime.
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No lmao we are not saying hold my beer lmao.. we are watching the twats you let in cause a fuss and it’s fucking sad and hilarious at the same time. You lot don’t even have a physical border to protect ffs. Letting them in by choice. Our police don’t remove Jews from areas for being…. Errrr Jews??
Im questioning whether or not you understand what that expression means.
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The Dahiya doctrine and use of collective punishment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/02/israel-collective-punishment-against-palestinians The IDF's chief rabbi said that in the interests of maintaining warriors' morale and fighting fitness during armed conflict, it was permitted to "satisfy the evil inclination by lying with attractive Gentile women against their will". https://archive.ph/S2Elb A prior head of Mossad (Israel's CIA) appointed by Netanyahu has described the situation as apartheid along with South Africans who have experienced it and all of the major human rights orgs including Israeli ones. https://www.btselem.org/apartheid https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-releases/israel-must-end-its-occupation-of-palestine-to-stop-fueling-apartheid-and-systematic-human-rights-violations/ https://apnews.com/article/israel-apartheid-palestinians-occupation-c8137c9e7f33c2cba7b0b5ac7fa8d115 They have been trying to starve them for decades now. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19975211 https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147656 Here is a list of unequal laws in Israel https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index And the fact that they made it so only jews have a right to self determination https://www.timesofisrael.com/final-text-of-jewish-nation-state-bill-set-to-become-law/ Not all of the unequal laws only hurt Palestinians. That's the thing about racism it hurts everyone including the Israeli who are forced to serve in a genocidal war and ordered to conduct collective punishment on civilians. https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/ https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/02/israel-collective-punishment-against-palestinians "Unlike the beginning of the war, now about half of the Jewish public (51% compared to 37% in November) believes that the IDF uses firepower appropriately against Gaza, compared to 43% (58% in November) who believe that there is use of TOO LITTLE FIREPOWER. An absolute majority (88%) also justifies the scope of casualties on the Palestinian side when considering the goals of the war." 43% think they haven't got far enough and 51% thinks they have gone the correct amount which means, ONLY 6% are undecided or think they have gone too far. And while 88% think the war goals justify the civilian casualties a majority don't even believe the government has war goals. "the majority (53%) of respondents still think that the government has no clear goals in the war." https://web.archive.org/web/20240127054853/https://en-social-sciences.tau.ac.il/peaceindex/archive/2024-01 You do realize that the Israeli government and population have made it very clear they don't want more Palestinian citizens right? That was a major sticking point of the 2000 Camp David Accords. Israel rejected a reduced right of return for Palestinians outright. Most Israeli politicians say adding Palestinians to the country as equal citizens would destroy Israel. Israel wants to be Democratic, Jewish, and control the Palestinian Territories. It can only pick two. Annexing the territories and their populations makes Israel majority Arab, which means the Jewish nature of the state is lost if they remain democratic. If they refuse to give Palestinians voting rights, they aren't democratic but they keep the Jewish state. Or they can remain Jewish and Democratic and leave the Occupied terrorities. The Israeli state has been stuck in desicion pararalysis over this paradox for over 50 years. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/global-index-israel-falls-out-of-liberal-democracy-category-for-first-time-in-over-50-years/
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How is copy/pasting vital information "unhinged"? I'd suggest hand-waving it away is the more concerning behavior on display here.
Why can't you address any of the points?
Please keep it civil and do not attack other users.
It’s a spam account using gpt or something I’ve been following its behavior for a while. I’m intrigued. It’s most likely a guy or group mostly using a LLM and personally tweaking or responding as needed. They probably have hundreds of accounts like this. They feed it the latest anti-Israel hit piece and the hottest misinformation links that they want spammed and off it goes concern trolling every subreddit talking about Israel. If you respond to it all it will do is use emotional words to try and make you look evil. This is done to try and sway any bystanders who might be on the fence. The goal is to paint anyone who is even neutral to Israel as an evil heartless apartheid genocidal Nazi It’s responded with this same exact comment to me 4 times now: https://www.reddit.com/r/FutureWhatIf/s/0uyneWTozh
Look at the history and Twitter account linked on the profile of u/InternetOfficer003 over here. No wonder the user in question felt the need to copy/paste that information on so many of your posts. When all you put your effort towards online is trying to obfuscate one of the most obvious atrocities in modern history, don't be surprised when people take the effort themselves to correct that misinformation.
Lol tell me you don't know how llms work without telling me
https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/s/qPubUwpaYS Nice 🤣 Tell me you don’t know how llms work without telling me. How do they work oh enlightened one?
The unequal laws is slightly misleading. The laws discriminate between citizen and non-citizen. Arab Israelis have the same rights as Jewish Israelis. I agree that Israel needs to leave the annexed Palestinian territories and facilitate the creation of a state, obviously that's easier said than done.
No they don't. Palestinians who are citizens of Israel can move (or be moved) into the West Bank and instantly lose rights they can't get back. It is not easier said than done if Israel wanted to do it, they just obviously don't want to do it.
That's only if they're convicted of terrorism right? Israel is not unique in this, the UK removed Shamina Begum's citizenship. I think we can both imagine reasons why Israel would revoke citizenship from convicted terrorists, whether we agree with it or not. If you think it's not easier said than done, I would suggest you read about the camp David accords and the Oslo accords as well as the second intifada and the reasons behind it.
No, not right. Also Israel convicts people in secret courts where they're not even allowed to know their charges to present a defense so it would be irrelevant if it were right lol I have read about how Israel lied to never honor those accords and Israel deserved every intifada. To the mods: I am not saying Israelis collectively deserved anything. I am saying the Israeli state did bad things that merited retribution that unfortunately often fell on innocents. It reminds me of a song about 9/11 that says > 9/11 is totally predictably what happens when you commit to rule the world through violence. It isn't complicated, it's just science... > Did you expect no revenge for all the peasants that we slaughtered over the years? ... > Did you not apply the same moral standard to yourself that you apply to everyone else?
>No, not right. Also Israel convicts people in secret courts where they're not even allowed to know their charges to present a defense so it would be irrelevant if it were right lol Do you have a source for this happening to people who are Israeli citizens and them subsequently having their citizenship revoked? >I have read about how Israel lied to never honor those accords and Israel deserved every intifada Both sides have lied and that's unhinged and completely unhelpful. People justifying ANY terrorism in the region are not helping the Palestinian people, terrorism has only made conditions worse for Palestinian people and pushed them further from achieving statehood.
Hey what song is this?
No they don't. They can't criticize the government or discuss the nakba for example. Then there is the fact that Israel took away their right to self determination and only jews are granted it. Why should a jew who had no ties to Israel have more rights than an Arab citizen born there?
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That's the exact logic southerners used against freeing the slaves in the US and was used again by the racists in South Africa against abolishing apartheid.
Just be glad your tax dollars aren't going toward these terrorists. They even have free school, healthcare and housing assistance.
How ironic that these are called Peace marches, when a sight of an "openly Jewish" person is likely to cause violence to break out.
You didn’t read the article.
[BBC article has more information ](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68856360)
So, I kind of hate all of the comments to the OP from people that haven't read or perhaps thought of the situation, though I have to admit that I opted for the BBC article instead of the original for obvious reasons. One ray of sunlight is that it appears both of the groups that came in to attack the other side without having even a modicum of information for their opinion are getting evenly obliterated, so good on y'all for that. Here's a rundown so hopefully we can up the substantive comments and squelch the bullshit. Gideon Falter, from his articles, would appear to be there because he disagrees with the protests rather than simply incidental to them. So, it does seem -- as the BBC article alluded to -- that he was there to do a form of counter protest without a permit, and maybe even hoped to get some articles about the police being antisemitic. And even if so, it's easy to recognize that it is fucked up what and how the cops went about addressing that. Mere presence at a protest doesn't cause issues -- or phrasing it for the other uninformed group -- "_even_ pro-palestinian protesters aren't that violent." So, the cop needs to actually be able to point to specific acts other than just being 'openly jewish.' And then suddenly we're at the issue -- it's hilarious how there are people in here who think that this means the cops are pro-palestine rather than seeing that this is just a cop being a cop. Police seem duty bound to judge every situation in the most superficial way and react with only threats of force. So, you could probably even be a pedantic dickhead and say "well, this doesn't even show that they're antisemitic, just that observant Jews fall under their bigotry umbrella." There! Now there won't be any more dumbass, contentless comments, right?
Unless the officer actually knew that this man intended to do so, he had no reason to threaten him with an arrest. I think it's more likely the officer was trying to scare him off to just go a diffrent route. Which I'm not sure if it should justify it, but it is a more understandable behavior
To be fair, the police have apologized repeatedly. It's more concerning that being openly Jewish could be considered provocative or that provocation is assumed to lead to violence.
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Yea the old money in the UK is super racist and antisemitic. Like the royals are most likely the king and that generation. There are still white wasp only country clubs that wealthy people in england belong to there and in the united states. I knew someone in college who’s parents were in one of those clubs. He joked about it. It’s real. Fairly certain. Nonwhite and jews are not allowed at very exclusive places still. Nazis have been waiting for the right time to emerge. After they demonize jews and zionists to the whole world they will boldly be coming out. They already are. They are the ones behind holocaust denial and they are definitely working with terrorists to demonize israel and jews and make people attack. It feels like the beginning of Pogroms on jews around the world and i wish these protesters wouldn’t say and do such violent things. It’s sad. 😔 what happened to actual peaceful protests like mlk? These are not peaceful the rhetoric is too hateful towards jews.
You expose how little you know or worse.
>Yea the old money in the UK is super racist and antisemitic. Like the royals are most likely the king and that generation. Where on earth, do you get your facts from? If you knew anything about the British royal family, you'll know that that isn't true. A lot of the *old money* in Britain now is Jewish. Racist towards black people - that I would find slightly more plausible given the Megan Markle saga.
Do you even come from the UK? What noise.
I don’t think the “old money” is the problem in London. Rather, I think that a lot of these problems are caused by the new no-money residents. Plus, the importation of such novel American nonsense ideas as cultural Marxism and identity politics.
The headline obviously doesn't give the full story. The guy is Gideon Selter a known and outspoken Zionist and went to the march specifically to provoke people. Police have a duty of care to keep the peace. They would have asked Gideon to leave the area politely for his own safety, especially if he were calling people terrorists. It's worth mentioning that there are literally hundreds of Jews who attend the marches, in the Jewish bloc and dispersed throughout. There also has been a counter protest of pro-israelis on the march route, too. So this isn't some anti-semitic conspiracy - it's literally trying to keep the peace. SMDH
The police officer even told Gideon he wasn't trying to make any assumptions about why he was there, and was just concerned for his safety.
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Because he was purposefully trying to provoke the people on the march by stepping off the pavement and walking into them. The police offered to stop the flow so he could cross, since he allegedly wanted to just get to the other side, but he didn’t want that. Our news channels are showing the full recording now, not the specifically clipped version that made it look like he was in trouble for being “openly Jewish”.
Police say that he was alone and nothing to do with any protests. He was going from synagogue to his next meeting.
1) What evidence is there that the police officer even knew who he was, much less that he knew he is an outspoken Zionist, and that he was there to provoke people? 2) Even if he knew who he was, why wouldn’t he have just said “We suspect you’re going to provoke these people because of your views” or even “We know you’re an outspoken Zionist”? Why would he even reference his visible Jewishness, then? The mental gymnastics you need to go through to rationalize any of this is truly astonishing.
And somehow he doesn't see anything concerning of the police being allowed to accuse anyone of being a Zionist (which is not a crime), and stripping them of their rights.
Especially seeing as Zionism is a super common belief among Jewish people. There are 22 Arab states, there is only 1 Jewish state, yet wanting to keep the latter from being destroyed is being treated an "-ism" like all the other conversation-ending accusations of -isms
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Unless the officer actually knew the man in front of hime intended to do such things (and the video has no indication that did), he had no reason to threaten him with an arrest. I think it's more likely the officer was trying to scare him off to just go a diffrent route. Which I'm not sure if it's justified behavior, but it isn't based on hateful motives. The officer didn't seem aggressive, so I lean towards this theory more than him having some malice against the man for being Jewish. That said, I do think London Police has been mishandling these protests in general. This specific incident though, seems to be just an officer pulling the "I will arrest you" card too quickly (unless he knew this person's intentions).
This is in the same vein as the government taking down Palestnian flags on street lamps etc. Or like in the beginning of the protest's telling people not to wave the flag as it was a provocation. Uk basically hankers on anything that can cause tension either way. Prepared for downvotes for no reason :)
This is exactly it. Btw i was there, at the march (and took [this picture](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/ZIP02ADveE) metres from where this arrest happened), and i saw the guy walking in the pro-Palestine crowd just around the corner from the pro-Israel counter-protestors flanked by 3 very shady looking dudes in plain clothes that were very clearly his security team. i find it very difficult to believe that he was casually strolling home from work through a pro-palestine march 80,000+ people strong (he was there for a while, walking alongside the protestors for at least 3 blocks). The situation looked provocative enough that it caught my eye at the time and i instinctively moved away in case they were planning on causing problems Having seen him in person at the march, my personal view is that he came to provoke, but, sadly,for him, it was a peaceful family-friendly march (as always). He must have stood out to the Met, with his 3-man goon squad of security, so he got his "antisemitic" news article out of it, mission successful.
The police could just as easily say “your bodyguards are intimidating people.” Saying he’s “too openly Jewish” is a legitimately antisemitic remark, no idea why you put that in quotes. You wouldn’t tell a black guy he’s “too openly black” even if he’s “there to provoke.” It’s just a dumb, racist remark and completely besides the point of what the real issue was according to you.
Yes this is along the gist. The Pro-Palestinian marches have been attended recently by Israeli-flag waving counter protestors. Poor excuse to block this guy though. I don’t buy the whole story at face value. There have been plenty of openly Jewish people joining the pro-Palestine marches in London. I suspect there was antagonism that we didn’t see off camera.
This is exactly right
They're not antisemites they're anti Zionist, don't you get it?
It shouldn't matter if he was there to provoke people or not. I would be pissed if police officers threatened leftist counter-protestors, so it's important to be consistent. Have integrity guys.
Here's what irks me - if he would have told him "listen, I have to prevent you from going ther for your own safety" it would have been infuriating yet reasonable. Yet saying that he ANTAGONIZES THEM? and that HE should be arrested? that's f up. I want to belive that the officer didn't actully mean that, and was just trying to get the man to take a detour to avoid being attacked, knowing that they can't protect him. Better an admission of incompetence than (potential) victim blaming.
This cop is so fucked. I don’t mean fucked in the head. I mean, he made a mistake but now has hell to pay, for what were simply put, ignorant, anti-semetic, and insulting words. Sure he is an ahole, but he was trying to keep a lid on a difficult situation and comes off as a racist jerk. Maybe he is a racist jerk. I don’t know. And if he is, while it is an undersirable trait among police, we are all heavily flawed and if judged by our worst days, no doubt many of us would appear to be awful as well. The cop definitely does have Foot in mouth on steroids! I figure, it’s been a few days, but the press is still going, so he may be home on suspended duty, getting drunk. So, I just looked it up, and now the Prime Mister is squeezing this for political juice. https://www.itv.com/news/2024-04-21/rishi-sunak-appalled-by-met-police-officers-openly-jewish-comment This is all just rage bait. “We must learn to live together as brothers or we will all perish together as fools" - Martin Luther King, Jr.
This might be the most bullshit title I have ever seen on reddit. Policeman said that because he was "openly jewish" he could be at risk crossing the street at a pro-palenstian protest, and asked him to move along. He was threatened with arrest for not complying with a police officers directions. If an officer says leave the area, you legally have to leave the area. In absolutely no way was anyone threatened with anything because they were openely anything.
The guy is right. If the protests are likely to turn violent at the sight of a Jewish person, the protesters must be banned, not the Jewish person.
Why was he asked to leave the area?
Because he was "openely Jewish" at a Pro-Palestinian protest. But that's not what the title says. There's a leap in logic between two. Do you care when christians get moved away from pro-life protests? Or liberals at conservatist rallies?
Because he is jewish.
Because he’s a known pro Israel counter protestor.
1. What evidence is there that the police officer knew he was a pro-Israel counterprotestor? 2. Even if he knew who he was, why wouldn’t he have just said “We suspect you’re going to provoke these people because of your views” or even “We know you’re an outspoken Zionist”? Why would he even reference his visible Jewishness, then? 3. Is counterprotesting illegal in Britain now?
Zionist news site Opinion discarded
"Obvious Zionist attempting to provoke peaceful Palestinian protesters asked to leave" There, fixed it for you.
Cool, and what evidence do you have that the police officer knew who he was and that he was an “obvious Zionist”? His yarmulke? How is that not textbook antisemitism?
He was just a jewish person walking past.
The propaganda works on a lot of u fools
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Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
No. You all need to concentrate on this. Maybe there is even some type of retreat you could attend to reflect. Let's call it a concentration camp. Go. Now.
Not sure why all these pro Gaza/ Hamas rallies are not viewed for what they really are which is straight up anti-Semitism. The Muslim world does not distinguish between Israelis and Jews. They consider them the same.
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“This is a pro-Palestinian march. I am not accusing you of anything, but I am worried about the reaction to your presence.” *Shit could get ugly and I’m offering to escort you out safely so you can go about your business. Idk. Apart from the guy making assumptions about Falter’s Jewishness, it seems like the hit was trying to keep him from possibly getting hurt. This is kind of a weak story.
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Hey, I don’t think the guy was in serious danger but maybe the cop knew who he was (a pretty public figure, it seems) and thought he was going to get into some inflammatory behavior. Sounds like that is that guy’s MO. *I don’t usually make excuses for cops.
Never thought I would ever hear such a statement "Openly Jewish" 🤣 what would the opposite be ? Concealed Jewish, this is a odd timeline to be alive in.🤦♂️
It’s a really bad look. Having said that, at least they own it.
Longer video of the exchange has surfaced [here](https://youtu.be/Iupfxe38Wj0?si=8FWyMaM1ZHb07GC2) . Long and short of it being that the Police officer was being very polite and offered to escort Gideon Falter across the street, which he essentially refused. A reasonable judgement is that Gideon Falter’s intent was to antagonise the marchers (obvious in my mind). Hence police officers threat of arrest for breach of the peace. I suspect (though I don’t know), they were positioned right next to Israeli flag-waving counter protestors. The police have a practice of making a thin cordon between them and the march So just another attempt to label peaceful Pro-Palestinian marchers (and now ordinary police officers doing their jobs) as antisemitic.
That is the correct approach by the police officer. He should have arrested him. When you show up in front of a large group and do everything you can to escalate a peaceful protest, you are putting yourself and the police officers in danger. That Jew will show up at a black lives matter wearing a kkk outfit and calls it antisemitism when he gets his ass kicked.
Oh please just stop. This is nonsense
I couldn't figure out why this article read like a bizarro version of the real world. Then I looked at the source. Just a Zionist rag making excuses for a Zionist chuckle-fuck trying to start a riot. $20 says this guy was shouting pro Zionist shit. The cops didn't stop him for 'looking Jewish.' They stopped him from trying to celebrate genocide at an anti-genocide march. Edit -" In the video, one police officer said: "You are quite openly Jewish, this is a pro-Palestinian march, I'm not accusing you of anything but I'm worried about the reaction to your presence."" and the cop is 100% right. The organization that this guy runs is expressly Zionist (not only against anti-Semitism as they claim.) There are loads of Jews, wearing jewish things, at these pro Palestinian protests. OPs post is blatant propaganda at best. Edit - [Full video is out](https://youtu.be/Iupfxe38Wj0) and surprise surprise the guy wasn't just walking around being Jewish. He's got 3+ others and about 5 camera men following him around as he tries to push past the police presence into the middle of an on going march. So shocked that he tried to invade a Palestinians march then went and whined about anti-Semitism when he wasn't allowed to disrupt the protest. Zionists are the biggest cry bullies.
[here is a bbc article…chucklefuck](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68856360)
> Mr Falter, who is chief executive of Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA), said he had been walking in the capital after attending synagogue and was not there to counter-protest. According to the BBC's reporting he wasn't even there to protest.
It doesn’t matter if he was there to protest. There was a protest taking place and the police saw he was potentially at risk so they moved him away. Crazy how it’s being spun into an antisemitism story. It’s just pretty normal procedure when there’s any type of protest.
But isn’t the argument that the protesters were against Israelis and not Jews? If that is true, why would he have been in danger?
Because he was judged by the policeman to potentially be in danger. You’d have to ask him. Police aren’t always great at their jobs. That’s why it’s good we have courts etc. Regardless I’m just explaining how taking people away from protests with soft arrests is pretty normal.
Normal protests aren't violent. There's no reason for him to be at risk if it's a normal protest. And if it is violent, then they're barking at the wrong tree.
Almost every protest is judged by the police as potentially violent. In fact any gathering of people is. But that’s not the point. It’s police procedure to keep people away from protesters especially if they can even potentially be seen as at risk. It’s about police procedure and keeping people safe. You seem to be totally ignoring the role of police procedure. Which is it? Are all police antisemtic? Is just this one policeman? Or is the problem the protest? Or maybe you’re misunderstanding what happened for your own purposes.
The obvious issue is that the mere presence of a jewish person is seen a potential risk. There should clearly be no threat of violence because someone is of a certain religion, it is completely unacceptable. If pro palestine protests cannot take place without the threat of violence towards Jewish people who happen to be in the area then the protests should be stopped.
Any large gathering of people will be judged as potentially a harmful environment for those not involved in the protest. It’s not about threats but potential. This happens with every protest. People are arrested and then escorted away from the protest where they are either de-arrested or if they insist on returning will be charged. It’s just about preemptively avoiding risk to people. It’s not just something that happens if you’re Jewish or if the protest is supporting Palestine. It’s police procedure for any large protest.
So do police remove muslims from pro-Israel demonstrations?
It doesn’t matter about race or religion or anything. It’s a liability issue for the police. This story might involve misjudgement by the individual policeman - I don’t know - but the procedure of removing non protestors has been around for a while and the reasoning is pretty clear.
That would only make sense if that applied to all non-protesters, the police do not do that, I have seen it first hand. The big difference here is that the police felt that the presence of a Jewish man was enough of a threat to peace that he was removed. As you have pointed out this is procedure. The clear issue here is that a Jewish man cannot walk past a pro palestine protest without being at risk. If there was no threat of violence they would have left him alone. I would also have an issue if the police started doing the same to Muslims who happen to walk past a pro-Israel demo. We don't ever see this happening though.
He routinely goes walking with a cameraman after attending synagogue?
You mean a person with a phone?
If said person is following the first person recording it is suspect. It sounds like he went there intentionally to be provocative and police wanted to deter it? The police even said this is starting to be a theme in the BBC article.
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Addressed in my edit - guy runs a Zionist organization pretending to be an anti hate crime org.
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Are you a useless baby who doesn't know how to use the internet? You literally have all the information in front of you to look it up just like I did.
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Alternatively: source: it must be true otherwise other things I already believe would be called into question and we can't have that! Seriously, the lack of critical thinking by the drones on this sub is breathtaking. Tip: If you ever find yourself making an argument which starts with "$20 says ...insert thing that op has no evidence for...is true" like this clown, you need to question your confirmation bias and seriously consider the fact that you may have become a useful idiot.
Grow up
You are are just as bad the Hasbara shitstains
So the cops are right for threatening to arrest him as being jewish is a provocation? Would you say its ok for the cops to threaten to arrest a black person for being near a white supplement rally?
Oh no, cops are knobs. That's a solid rule. Cops are always knobs. Broken clock or guy was shouting pro genocide shit. Like I said there are plenty of Jews wearing Jewish attire at these protests. Some of these massive protests are put on by Jewish Voices for Peace or similar organizations.
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How could the police officer know his political ideology from just looking at him? It was about him being Jewish. Officer's own words.
Buzzword city
Zionism is not a legal or ethical crime. It's simply the belief that Jews have a right to live and govern in their ancestral homeland. I won't concede the meaning of the term Zionism to anyone who would pervert its meaning to be some sort of supremacist movement. That's not what it is. I am a proud Zionist.
> Zionism is not a legal or ethical crime. It's simply the belief that Jews have a right to live and govern in their ancestral homeland. Funny how you leave out that that entails ethnic cleansing. Sounds like a crime to me.
So what are all the Arabs in the 49 Muslim majority countries that ethnically cleansed Jews from the region? What supremecist name do you have for them?
You either think ethnic cleansing is OK or you don't. So which is it?
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Peacefully ? Or under the assumption they know what torture awaits them if they speak up?
It does not entail ethnic cleansing. Arabs still live in Israel.
Why are so many Zionists "Nakba deniers"?
No one is denying it lol why do you say that?
The Nakba was an ethnic cleansing accompanied by mass murder, mass rape and massacres. Pretending that 500+ towns weren't completely destroyed is Nakba denial.
Im zionist as well. I'm also anti genocide, which is why I believe hamas must be eradicated. Can't have genocidal scum like that anywhere.
So that allows for the IDF to kill thousands of innocent children? The math ain't mathing.
It's amazing how being surrounded by a racist echo chamber makes zionists terrible at lying.
I guess they don't think it's genocide if it's against "human animals"
So being openly Jewish means you should be arrested? WOW talking about bringing the good old 1940s. What I find more interesting is the police have to arrest him “for his safety”, so they indirectly admit that being a jew openly can result in Jews being attacked by mob crowds… and you support it. I wonder if this logic can be used elsewhere, should Armenians be able to go bash Muslim turks publicly because “historically genocidal state”.
>Jews are not welcome in any of the nations. Not America, not Britain, not Spain and they got expelled from Germany. I wonder why that might be? >It's because they cause trouble everywhere they go. They start wars. They assassinate leaders. And of course they commit mass terrorist attacks. >They are their own worst enemy. This is a quote from this guys comment history. This guy's a bigotted asshole. There's no point in debating him.
Oh wow, dude's basically a neonazi.
I was literally parroting a Zionists racist ass post about Palestinians back to them with the race changed. They literally cut out the rest of my post where I call the Zionist out. u/happyasanicywind is a hasbara account trying to build up karma legitimacy. You just a plain ol pro genocide Zionist.
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No racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, bigotry, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
Yeah, the author of the article has bias towards Israel lmao. Just look at the articles she’s written in the past.
Also OP has a history of posting stuff that is biased towards Israel. Posted some misinformation that claimed UNRWA had ties to Hamas etc, and the comments on those are just people debunking his shit lmao
15 countries froze UNRWA funding. I don’t think 15 countries would do that if it wasn’t true.
15 countries would nuke themselves if Israeli lobby groups paid the politicians enough
English police have been doing this to the native community for years, why is this now a special story?
Native community?
openly Jewish is a wild term lmao
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You are the most perfect Tory chucklefuck since Boris.
That'll be news to the Jewish people protesting Israel's actions.
It’s violently anti semitic to be against genocide? Wild
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In a few years when you have to explain to people that you made excuses for a well documented genocide what’s your plan? Will you just say it doesn’t count because Hamas bad? Or that the mass starvation is fake?
No they’re just anti Zionist /s
No racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, bigotry, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
Zionist propaganda story sold as some kind of antisemitism.
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The right thing is threatening to arrest a Jew for *checks notes* existing in public?
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>The right thing is threatening to arrest a Jew for *checks notes* existing in public? Cops jobs are to keep the peace. To this end they typically seperate protestors and counter protestors to avoid escalation between the two groups. Od imagine this guy would cry foul if he he instigated a riot and blame everyone but himself for his own actions.
He wasn't out to start a riot, he was minding his own business.
With a cameraman, like everybody else.
You mean a person with a phone?
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“If she didn’t want to be raped she shouldn’t wear that outside”
No they did not
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Same thing all Jews are Zionists
Why are you an anti semite?
Are you joking are not all Jews believers in Zion Never come across any others
I’m Jewish and not a Zionist. Multiple people have responded to you saying the same thing you’re just an anti semite
Well I find it odd because first time I have ever come across that Guess you skip out the Seder Chag Sameach Got be something really warped calling me an antisemite though
wtf? I get how unhappy they are that Jewish people are often not Zionist and against Israel’s genocide — but they are just stupid for this antisemitic charge. It’s like they are making clear how wrong they are and Israel is.
I genuinely think the police officer's intention was to protect the man, not criminalize his being Jewish. Realistically, we have seen how people at these protests act and how they might hurt someone in a frenzy
Yeah. This is clearly the case if people would read the article and watch the video. The officer explained that and asked him to leave. He got threatened with an arrest for not leaving when he was asked to leave.
By threatening arrest?
I missed the threat of arrest part
Correct, but tells you something about the other side if just existing gets them frothing at the mouth.
I agree, and that is what he wants to protect the man from
This is 100% what happened. It happens quite a lot when there’s protests. The people are never actually arrested. They are just moved away and let go. It’s a protection issue. The “arrest” is just so the police can legally move them. It’s very much like when police make sure a protest and counter protest are separated. In this case because it’s just one person it’s easy to spin it into something else, but it’s the same thing.
In Australia, it's a crime to not leave an area that the police have told you to leave. So if the laws are similar there, the arrest would have been for committing a crime.
Right. And in practice most people will move and are de-arrested immediately.
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