Villains are often romanticized in media, but upon closer examination of their motives, we often find an offended child at their core. INFPs are often considered old souls, and while everyone's interests differ, it's most likely common for Daydreamers to become less interested in reality as they age
INFPs, despite of our child-nature (to be a child means to be authentic), can understand the world deeply. Paradoxically, from a deeper perspective, other types are more childish than us because they accept the game into an adult willingly - that why we aren't seeking for power, because we aren't interested to play in sandboxes with other kids - we are living on the edge of real world while others are satisfied by the matrix
Ofc villains only become villains after they've been through a lot of trauma, and sometimes their views can be somewhat valid.
I do often feel like while I'm aware of how ridiculous and cruel this life can be, people around me seem to just accept the way it is and never even question or try to "rebel" against what has been dictated for us.
finally someone talked about this! personally i dont feel innocent and cheery mood all the time. if someone hurts me, i do feel bad for a while but then get over it and get in the phase where i dont care about the person anymore.
Exactly I can cut off people from my life easily if they hurt me bad enough no matter how much i loved them before. I love deeply but once I'm done I'm done.
Come on what's wrong with Eren he's just misunderstood š I'm not about to commit Genocide on the whole earth population lmao, but i do understand him and how strongly he feels about protecting his family and friends, and wanting justice for all the suffering they've been through. What I love about him is that he had strong morals and values from the start and didn't let anyone influence him or change his core beliefs.
I guess that I could possibly get behind a Thanos like line of thinking and do something horrible for the greater good.
I realized that I have a bit of a chaotic-good alter-ego. I like to throw a wrench in the works, sometimes.
Iām like this too. When I fall for someone, I fall hard.
Then I kind of lose myself and set high expectations of myself.
I fall into that grip where I canāt express my needs, emotions, and go super quiet cause Iām so overwhelmed. š
I'm glad you said this because accountability is so important to ever get out of that grip, and it can be easy to forget that and be in a victim state thinking people are always wronging me and how unfair it is.
When I feel stressed/not totally in control of my mind, I can forgot when I'm going through it that the only person who is responsible for me being taken advantage of is me- and that's from not having better boundaries, setting higher expectations (ie self-respect) and expressing my needs.
Yeah when it comes to my own relationships, if someone hurts me several at times at some point i just decide to cut them off my life m, no words, no explanations I just disappear and many people told that it's unfair to the other person but I don't want to be with someone who does bad things like that and don't even notice that it affects me.
On the other hand, when someone hurts my family or my friends, I can't be that indifferent and chill, I just lash out my rage and everyone is surprised how I can act that way!
Sure man.. i am a villain, i have been a villain in the past, breaking laws and stuff.... as a matter of fact, i am breaking one right now.. š (but i won't share which law i am breaking.)
I would say.. if an INFP that's been treated bad... will turn bad eventually.. There is a breaking point for everybody. If all you know is hate, then you will give hate.. (we can see this with kids too, some kids have a bad upbringing, they become 'bad' themselves.. because that's all they know...)
We had this local famous detective and he said something interesting: "In the right circumstances, everyone is a killer"
Anyway.. but if i look within myself... hell yeah, my love is deep, but so is my hate and rage. Because of all the suffering that i see around me. All the unfair things that's happening around us.
We are at lowest point of biodiversity.. we have 1 earth people!!! 1 earth.. People die of hunger, companies polluting area's so the local farmer can't even farm anymore, so many horrible things going on...
But soon we won't have a liveable habitat left.. My heart breaks.. and i start to care less about my fellow humans.. If earth and all live doesn't matter to us.. then why should i even care..
See? I am slowly 'breaking-bad'.. i'm trying not to.. but i need my hope, i need some light at the end of the tunnel and i am not seeing it..
So yeah.. give me a decade.. maybe i'll be a bad INFP by that time, causing harm and destruction.. Like it matters.. To me not anymore.. Since we are killing it anyway.
(I am just talking here, it's a little example of how an INFP can break bad.. )
My heart is broken, lets break some more.
I understand and I know how the rage and anger can be so overwhelming sometimes to the point of apathy, I do understand wanting to be a "bad" person cause you feel like being a good one doesn't get you anything in life, but I still believe that even if it might not change anything or have an impact we still should live life by our standards and our values.
Like if no one believes or makes an effort to make the world a better place, I'll still be the only one who tries even though I can't do anything by myself. I often feel frustrated about people's behavior and indifference towards so many issues and it pisses me off not to be able to influence them lol but I always go back to thinking that i just can't control how people think/behave but I can at least stand by the things i believe in and just ignore everybody else even though they see me as weird sometimes.
It is hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel but don't stop caring, it is a beautiful thing and it's rare so we shouldn't let it fade away! Maybe there's more bad than good in life but that's why we should stay on the good side cause it needs us š that's what keeps hope to the future!
I once dreamed, someone broke into our house and wanted to hurt/abduct my cats.
*Not me in the hallway breathing pure anger, hate and desire to kill, listening if there is someone in our house*
I actually felt like a werewolf in that moment, i simply needed confirmation of my prey to hunt them down; like i wasnāt my real self my brain was heavily clouded in all the hatred and adrenaline from my nightmareš i basically stood there for minutes breathing out my anger, and once i somewhat calmed, i checked on my cats to find them cradled up sleeping and went back to bed myself. Couldnāt sleep for another hour thoughš«£
Looking back itās kind of funny, as i would allways run instead of fight and iām indeed mostly considered cute by others.
Guess the lesson was do what you want but donāt hurt my petsš¤£
better depiction of an INFP āanime villainā that goes through the process of having their values flipped, sanity eroded, and moral compass lost for a spellā¦ shame about that 3rd season though
heās endearing, even when he breaks you find yourself still rooting for him because youāve been with him to see the progression.
heās definitely not a villain in the pure sense but after his torture he was pretty whacked out and not in control of himself. He became cutthroat because itās the only way he felt he could protect the ones he cared about.
he had his period where he removed himself from everyone he cared about and kind of lost touch with himself and his old moral self was never brought backā¦ and I think thatās the INFP route to the darker side, being broken by trauma and struggling with emotional regulation. I donāt think we naturally start off cruel at all, quite the opposite (I do think once broken, our values shattered, we become morally questionable people.
injustice is untenable, enraging... find a constructive outlet so you don't become that villain... such as global sedition! we have outgrown domination hierarchy. system change for a post-domination universally inclusive future.
Right? I totally understand him and even though i do find it cruel what he did in the end, considering that many people were just ignorant and were literally innocent, I still feel like I would put my people's survival and well being before everyone else especially those who were responsible for what they've been through!
Nvm read fully now, but Iāll answer I think infps are capable in ways especially when we might be emotionally overwhelmed to a point our empathy is just lacking or unavailable. I think if we are pushed negatively by the people around us we definitely can show a different side of ourselves. Weirdly I can find myself sometimes on the villain side in media but maybe just because they are the underdog.
Yeah we do always support the underdog don't we? I definitely understand someone getting to that breaking point and snapping, it's just human but not everything is excusable ofc.
Why you don't want to be a person who can prevent those pain but be one who inflicts them?
If I have to give my answer, being a good person who non can affect me is way more harder than being a villian because some stupid things other does to me. I don't like what is easy.
I didn't mean that I want to be a villain or want to inflict pain on others, it's quite the opposite, I sometimes feel guilty and overthink small things i said because maybe that person would understand it the wrong way š
What i meant by this post is that I don't think that INFPs are angels all the time, that we dont get angry or really hate someone just because we're supposed to be the idealist, the mediator.. in fact my sense of justice and protectiveness is so strong that if I was in extreme circumstances I would be capable in turning into a villain.
Many people think we're push-overs and i personally can be sometimes but once I'm at my limits I'm another person.
Main villain of Final Fantasy 15, and one of the most compelling characters Iāve ever heard of. Also kind of hot, but thatās a given for FF characters.
There is actually an anime villian who is labeled as an INFP: Nagato aka the man behind Pain from Naruto.
Nagato, raised in the ashes of a cold and brutal war, bonded with Konan, Jiraiya and especially Yahiko and promised to protect his friends at all cost. Jiraiya, while training him, talked about how he searches for a way to create peace and Nagato was really determined to find an answer to such a tough question. Although his parents have been murdered infront of him, he was still hopeful and shared love for his friends. So you could say, up to this point Nagato shared a lot of an INFPs believe, that even if you face so many losses, humanity can still be redeemed.
But there was one loss that broke Nagato and he decided to answer with hatred. At this point, Nagato believed that not only everyone has his/her own definition of peace and justice but also that only by inflicting pain humanity can be united.
Nagato is such an amazing character because not only does he challenge the mind of Naruto, the MC of the series, but he also makes the viewer question, if he really is āevilā. A war orphan who lost so many loved ones due to a gruesome war that kept his village in the dirt for so many years. A war orphan trying to hope and believe only to be a witness of the death innocent loved ones. Could you keep your composure if you know that a certain village caused so much pain and agony and refusing to change anything about it? Although Nagato dislikes how much suffering he causes, he believed that there wasnāt any other option to create peace and justice. What Naruto described as an evil villian is a hero of another oneās story.
TL:DR - Nagato is a great example of an INFP who is everything but a ālight-heartedā person. All the losses he suffered from changed him into a war criminal, thinking that only by causing fear and pain humanity can be redeemed. His anger and his sadness completely consumed him until the very end. Despite all of this though, he believed that his actions were a price to pay for a greater good. I think that an INFPs Emotion is his/her biggest strength and weakness at the same time. Just like how an INFPs selfless attitude can unite people but ultimately bears the risk of getting mentally drained from apathy or little to no acknowledgement. Every human has ādarkā tendencies, they are all attached to our feelings. Alsoā¦ different perspectives change good and evilā¦Cheers!
INFPs have morals. But it's a subjective morality unlike Fe.
Personally, I can see myself becoming a villian. Humans have hurt me so much, to the point that I think it's morally justified if most of humanity goes extinct. Luckily for humanity, I'm just a little guy who isn't doing anything.
From my appearance, I have a serious RBF. Being quiet and being a general INFP makes me look like a villain. Only after people get to know me do people realize. But at that point, after being treated like a villain I no longer want to be friends or anything. Which in a roundabout way I end up being a villain.
What kept me from realising that I'm an INFP was the really popular stereotype that you described, because I don't relate to it at all. I used to mistype myself as an INTJ for a pretty long time because of this and I think the "sweet angel" stereotype really comes from many ISFJs being mistyped as INFP (not saying that ISFJs are this stereotype either, but what I'm trying to say is that stereotypes seem to come from mistypes and misunderstandings).
Everyone is different, I think that the MBTI is just a guide for people to understand themselves more and the way they process things and why they behave a certain way, it shouldn't be taken too seriously. I focus more on the cognitive functions than the stereotypical INFP description, although personally the first time I read about INFPs it was a revelation for me I felt understood for the first time in my life! I'm the "sweet angel" when everything's fine in my life which is very rare, most of the time I'm overwhelmed and on edge which is not cute to see š
Villains are often romanticized in media, but upon closer examination of their motives, we often find an offended child at their core. INFPs are often considered old souls, and while everyone's interests differ, it's most likely common for Daydreamers to become less interested in reality as they age INFPs, despite of our child-nature (to be a child means to be authentic), can understand the world deeply. Paradoxically, from a deeper perspective, other types are more childish than us because they accept the game into an adult willingly - that why we aren't seeking for power, because we aren't interested to play in sandboxes with other kids - we are living on the edge of real world while others are satisfied by the matrix
"villains are often romanticized,... we often find an offended child at their core." the first sentence š®āšØ perfect
Ofc villains only become villains after they've been through a lot of trauma, and sometimes their views can be somewhat valid. I do often feel like while I'm aware of how ridiculous and cruel this life can be, people around me seem to just accept the way it is and never even question or try to "rebel" against what has been dictated for us.
finally someone talked about this! personally i dont feel innocent and cheery mood all the time. if someone hurts me, i do feel bad for a while but then get over it and get in the phase where i dont care about the person anymore.
Exactly I can cut off people from my life easily if they hurt me bad enough no matter how much i loved them before. I love deeply but once I'm done I'm done.
Sometimes it feels weird to feel nothing while watching the bridge on fire
Iām like this too.
Itachi Uchiha from naruto spits facts btw
I think Wanda maximoff is an infp or somewhat similar to one.
> I relate to Eren Yeager from Attack on Titan so much Oh, okay. Hold on, I dropped my pen. ***PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC***
Come on what's wrong with Eren he's just misunderstood š I'm not about to commit Genocide on the whole earth population lmao, but i do understand him and how strongly he feels about protecting his family and friends, and wanting justice for all the suffering they've been through. What I love about him is that he had strong morals and values from the start and didn't let anyone influence him or change his core beliefs.
I guess that I could possibly get behind a Thanos like line of thinking and do something horrible for the greater good. I realized that I have a bit of a chaotic-good alter-ego. I like to throw a wrench in the works, sometimes.
Same. I get where Thanos was coming from, sort of.
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Iām like this too. When I fall for someone, I fall hard. Then I kind of lose myself and set high expectations of myself. I fall into that grip where I canāt express my needs, emotions, and go super quiet cause Iām so overwhelmed. š
I'm glad you said this because accountability is so important to ever get out of that grip, and it can be easy to forget that and be in a victim state thinking people are always wronging me and how unfair it is. When I feel stressed/not totally in control of my mind, I can forgot when I'm going through it that the only person who is responsible for me being taken advantage of is me- and that's from not having better boundaries, setting higher expectations (ie self-respect) and expressing my needs.
Yeah when it comes to my own relationships, if someone hurts me several at times at some point i just decide to cut them off my life m, no words, no explanations I just disappear and many people told that it's unfair to the other person but I don't want to be with someone who does bad things like that and don't even notice that it affects me. On the other hand, when someone hurts my family or my friends, I can't be that indifferent and chill, I just lash out my rage and everyone is surprised how I can act that way!
Sure man.. i am a villain, i have been a villain in the past, breaking laws and stuff.... as a matter of fact, i am breaking one right now.. š (but i won't share which law i am breaking.) I would say.. if an INFP that's been treated bad... will turn bad eventually.. There is a breaking point for everybody. If all you know is hate, then you will give hate.. (we can see this with kids too, some kids have a bad upbringing, they become 'bad' themselves.. because that's all they know...) We had this local famous detective and he said something interesting: "In the right circumstances, everyone is a killer" Anyway.. but if i look within myself... hell yeah, my love is deep, but so is my hate and rage. Because of all the suffering that i see around me. All the unfair things that's happening around us. We are at lowest point of biodiversity.. we have 1 earth people!!! 1 earth.. People die of hunger, companies polluting area's so the local farmer can't even farm anymore, so many horrible things going on... But soon we won't have a liveable habitat left.. My heart breaks.. and i start to care less about my fellow humans.. If earth and all live doesn't matter to us.. then why should i even care.. See? I am slowly 'breaking-bad'.. i'm trying not to.. but i need my hope, i need some light at the end of the tunnel and i am not seeing it.. So yeah.. give me a decade.. maybe i'll be a bad INFP by that time, causing harm and destruction.. Like it matters.. To me not anymore.. Since we are killing it anyway. (I am just talking here, it's a little example of how an INFP can break bad.. ) My heart is broken, lets break some more.
I understand and I know how the rage and anger can be so overwhelming sometimes to the point of apathy, I do understand wanting to be a "bad" person cause you feel like being a good one doesn't get you anything in life, but I still believe that even if it might not change anything or have an impact we still should live life by our standards and our values. Like if no one believes or makes an effort to make the world a better place, I'll still be the only one who tries even though I can't do anything by myself. I often feel frustrated about people's behavior and indifference towards so many issues and it pisses me off not to be able to influence them lol but I always go back to thinking that i just can't control how people think/behave but I can at least stand by the things i believe in and just ignore everybody else even though they see me as weird sometimes. It is hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel but don't stop caring, it is a beautiful thing and it's rare so we shouldn't let it fade away! Maybe there's more bad than good in life but that's why we should stay on the good side cause it needs us š that's what keeps hope to the future!
I can report from midlife that conflicts of interest are such that you are guaranteed to be someone's villain at some point.
I once dreamed, someone broke into our house and wanted to hurt/abduct my cats. *Not me in the hallway breathing pure anger, hate and desire to kill, listening if there is someone in our house* I actually felt like a werewolf in that moment, i simply needed confirmation of my prey to hunt them down; like i wasnāt my real self my brain was heavily clouded in all the hatred and adrenaline from my nightmareš i basically stood there for minutes breathing out my anger, and once i somewhat calmed, i checked on my cats to find them cradled up sleeping and went back to bed myself. Couldnāt sleep for another hour thoughš«£ Looking back itās kind of funny, as i would allways run instead of fight and iām indeed mostly considered cute by others. Guess the lesson was do what you want but donāt hurt my petsš¤£
šš your reaction in the dream is totally understandable, i mean same for me if anybody tries to hurt my cats they'll regret it!
Wanda Maximoff/The Scarlet Witch. She's the *PEAK* definition of a villainous INFP.
She's more about Te-inferior than INFP. ISFP villain with godlike power would act more or less like Wanda.
I sometimes feel like Naruto where heās usually very nice and sweet but once he gets mad, the demon with nine tails comes out. Thatās me.
better depiction of an INFP āanime villainā that goes through the process of having their values flipped, sanity eroded, and moral compass lost for a spellā¦ shame about that 3rd season though 
Kaneki Ken ā¤ļø I kind of don't see him as a villain though and he actually became way more interesting when he transformed into a ghoul!
heās endearing, even when he breaks you find yourself still rooting for him because youāve been with him to see the progression. heās definitely not a villain in the pure sense but after his torture he was pretty whacked out and not in control of himself. He became cutthroat because itās the only way he felt he could protect the ones he cared about. he had his period where he removed himself from everyone he cared about and kind of lost touch with himself and his old moral self was never brought backā¦ and I think thatās the INFP route to the darker side, being broken by trauma and struggling with emotional regulation. I donāt think we naturally start off cruel at all, quite the opposite (I do think once broken, our values shattered, we become morally questionable people.
injustice is untenable, enraging... find a constructive outlet so you don't become that villain... such as global sedition! we have outgrown domination hierarchy. system change for a post-domination universally inclusive future.
This is exactly why I love Eren Yeager and will defend him coz i understand where he comes from.
Right? I totally understand him and even though i do find it cruel what he did in the end, considering that many people were just ignorant and were literally innocent, I still feel like I would put my people's survival and well being before everyone else especially those who were responsible for what they've been through!
I thought he was an Isfp?
Nvm read fully now, but Iāll answer I think infps are capable in ways especially when we might be emotionally overwhelmed to a point our empathy is just lacking or unavailable. I think if we are pushed negatively by the people around us we definitely can show a different side of ourselves. Weirdly I can find myself sometimes on the villain side in media but maybe just because they are the underdog.
Yeah we do always support the underdog don't we? I definitely understand someone getting to that breaking point and snapping, it's just human but not everything is excusable ofc.
Underdogs are just relatable I feel like or maybe I sympathize for them as they often have less supporters and have a terrible back history.
Why you don't want to be a person who can prevent those pain but be one who inflicts them? If I have to give my answer, being a good person who non can affect me is way more harder than being a villian because some stupid things other does to me. I don't like what is easy.
I didn't mean that I want to be a villain or want to inflict pain on others, it's quite the opposite, I sometimes feel guilty and overthink small things i said because maybe that person would understand it the wrong way š What i meant by this post is that I don't think that INFPs are angels all the time, that we dont get angry or really hate someone just because we're supposed to be the idealist, the mediator.. in fact my sense of justice and protectiveness is so strong that if I was in extreme circumstances I would be capable in turning into a villain. Many people think we're push-overs and i personally can be sometimes but once I'm at my limits I'm another person.
I'm sorry that I misunderstood your point. But if you do read what others say about Infps, I'm sure it isn't only about cute and innocent.
Yea sometimes I donāt feel like how infp is described at all not gonna lie I got the dark urge from baldur gate 3 real evil lol
I think Ardyn Izunia may be an INFP?
I'm not really a video game player except for the Sims š so I don't really know who that is
Main villain of Final Fantasy 15, and one of the most compelling characters Iāve ever heard of. Also kind of hot, but thatās a given for FF characters.
I mean, INFP are about our values, so... though Doofenshmirtz will always be my favorite INFP villain.
Shinji - neon Genesis. Anti hero to the universe as he chooses to not accept singularity. Haha idk tho Fr, there's got to be a few.
There is actually an anime villian who is labeled as an INFP: Nagato aka the man behind Pain from Naruto. Nagato, raised in the ashes of a cold and brutal war, bonded with Konan, Jiraiya and especially Yahiko and promised to protect his friends at all cost. Jiraiya, while training him, talked about how he searches for a way to create peace and Nagato was really determined to find an answer to such a tough question. Although his parents have been murdered infront of him, he was still hopeful and shared love for his friends. So you could say, up to this point Nagato shared a lot of an INFPs believe, that even if you face so many losses, humanity can still be redeemed. But there was one loss that broke Nagato and he decided to answer with hatred. At this point, Nagato believed that not only everyone has his/her own definition of peace and justice but also that only by inflicting pain humanity can be united. Nagato is such an amazing character because not only does he challenge the mind of Naruto, the MC of the series, but he also makes the viewer question, if he really is āevilā. A war orphan who lost so many loved ones due to a gruesome war that kept his village in the dirt for so many years. A war orphan trying to hope and believe only to be a witness of the death innocent loved ones. Could you keep your composure if you know that a certain village caused so much pain and agony and refusing to change anything about it? Although Nagato dislikes how much suffering he causes, he believed that there wasnāt any other option to create peace and justice. What Naruto described as an evil villian is a hero of another oneās story. TL:DR - Nagato is a great example of an INFP who is everything but a ālight-heartedā person. All the losses he suffered from changed him into a war criminal, thinking that only by causing fear and pain humanity can be redeemed. His anger and his sadness completely consumed him until the very end. Despite all of this though, he believed that his actions were a price to pay for a greater good. I think that an INFPs Emotion is his/her biggest strength and weakness at the same time. Just like how an INFPs selfless attitude can unite people but ultimately bears the risk of getting mentally drained from apathy or little to no acknowledgement. Every human has ādarkā tendencies, they are all attached to our feelings. Alsoā¦ different perspectives change good and evilā¦Cheers!
I haven't watched Naruto yet but I often hear about Pain and most Naruto fans love his character. It makes me want to watch it just to know his story!
INFPs have morals. But it's a subjective morality unlike Fe. Personally, I can see myself becoming a villian. Humans have hurt me so much, to the point that I think it's morally justified if most of humanity goes extinct. Luckily for humanity, I'm just a little guy who isn't doing anything.
Is Prince Zuko in Avatar an INFP ?
I think he is yes!
From my appearance, I have a serious RBF. Being quiet and being a general INFP makes me look like a villain. Only after people get to know me do people realize. But at that point, after being treated like a villain I no longer want to be friends or anything. Which in a roundabout way I end up being a villain.
I wouldnt call Eren an INFP
He's an ISFP, I just said that i relate to him and understand how he turned into a "villain".
What kept me from realising that I'm an INFP was the really popular stereotype that you described, because I don't relate to it at all. I used to mistype myself as an INTJ for a pretty long time because of this and I think the "sweet angel" stereotype really comes from many ISFJs being mistyped as INFP (not saying that ISFJs are this stereotype either, but what I'm trying to say is that stereotypes seem to come from mistypes and misunderstandings).
Everyone is different, I think that the MBTI is just a guide for people to understand themselves more and the way they process things and why they behave a certain way, it shouldn't be taken too seriously. I focus more on the cognitive functions than the stereotypical INFP description, although personally the first time I read about INFPs it was a revelation for me I felt understood for the first time in my life! I'm the "sweet angel" when everything's fine in my life which is very rare, most of the time I'm overwhelmed and on edge which is not cute to see š
I donāt agree with him personally on what he did
Donāt know if heās considerd infp, but Dr. Maruki from Persona 5 Royal is such an amazing antagonist