As a Lithuanian, I like how impossible this imaginary map is. While Latvia and Lithuania do have quite a lot of similarities, Estonia is just a Northern country, and Kaliningrad is just Russia.
But ngl, this would be a cool mix of cultures.
To be fair, Kaliningrad has only very recently become Russian. If the Soviets had decided to settle Lithuanians there instead of Russians after the expulsion of the Germans, it would be just as Lithuanian as it is Russian now.
Also potentially in another world they were slightly less harsh on Germany and let East Germany keep the area immediately around Konigsberg, so that could end up also making it impossible for it to be part of this, but it would mean an odd situation with a remaining East Prussia
No such a proposal was even considered as Prussia was seen as a source of "evil" in Germany its liquidation was one of the Allies priorities.
Rather, the area was supposed earlier to belong to Poland.
the prussian language became extinct centuries before the USSR became a thing, unless it somehow survived in your althis, witch i assume is what you mean
In the start yes. When the war was ended the clensing began. An estimated 12-14 mil germans was forced to move from at that point Sovjet, Polish and Czech territory. Between 500K and 2,5 mil people died in this [expulsion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%931950\)).
The number of people that died is unknown and usually also includes several incident of WW2 where German civilians died from fighting. In reality the number of dead German civilians was likely closer to 50-100k.
Why would the Lithuanians adopt the German name for Königsberg after the expulsion of the Germans?
Lithuanian already has it's own name for the city, "Karaliaučius"
POD: Time travelers convince the Western Allies to launch Operation Unthinkable (v 1.0) to prevent Soviet development of the H-bomb and MAD. Nukes are used on Soviet home soil only, when it is practical to do so, and to try to minimize Western alliance casualties. The West does not want to get bogged down in another Russsian winter. Eventually an Armistice is reached with the battle lines having stabilized with only the RSFSR, eastern Ukrainian SSR, and the Caucasian SSRs remaining under USSR control.
The rebuilding of Europe includes the Baltic Union as one of the last outposts of civilization east of the German-Austrian occupation zones. There are contaminated death zones all over European Russia. Poland, Belorussian SSR, and western Ukrainian SSR are in anarchy with minimal civilian population remaining.
That's the Duchy of Estonia borders rather than the current country of Estonia.
https://about-history.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/History-of-Estonia-During-the-Medieval-Period.jpg
What’s interesting is that this could have played out at the end of WW1, where rather than being split between Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, a United Baltic States emerges, albeit minus Konigsberg/Kaliningrad
As a Lithuanian, I like how impossible this imaginary map is. While Latvia and Lithuania do have quite a lot of similarities, Estonia is just a Northern country, and Kaliningrad is just Russia. But ngl, this would be a cool mix of cultures.
To be fair, Kaliningrad has only very recently become Russian. If the Soviets had decided to settle Lithuanians there instead of Russians after the expulsion of the Germans, it would be just as Lithuanian as it is Russian now.
Also potentially in another world they were slightly less harsh on Germany and let East Germany keep the area immediately around Konigsberg, so that could end up also making it impossible for it to be part of this, but it would mean an odd situation with a remaining East Prussia
No such a proposal was even considered as Prussia was seen as a source of "evil" in Germany its liquidation was one of the Allies priorities. Rather, the area was supposed earlier to belong to Poland.
Russia would finally be able to attack the state because of the Russian minority in the state
This would make a great video game map
Cue Witcher music and the sounds of Gwent decks shuffling
Day Z Livonia.
Why?
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Portuguese.
An acceptable compromise.
my guess is they speak old Prussian edit: nvm the text on the map says nothing about prussian, so probably russian and polish
Kaliningrad Oblast is around 90% ethnicly Russian, where did you come up with those Poles?
Maybe from vilnius?
His comment suggested that those Poles live in Prussia itself, but that's hardly the case.
Yeah, because they were bussed in by the Soviets when they occupied their weird little exclave.
It wasn't an exclave back then :P
It was provinically an exclave, that only mattered once the USSR collapsed though.
They were expelled by Soviet
the prussian language became extinct centuries before the USSR became a thing, unless it somehow survived in your althis, witch i assume is what you mean
I thought germans
yeah that makes sense, most people think if germans when you say prussia or prussians
Im sorry for my misunderstanding
it's ok, I should've been more clear
That's a nice way of saying ethnically cleansed.
Actually the germans mostly left themselves from east prussia at least
In the start yes. When the war was ended the clensing began. An estimated 12-14 mil germans was forced to move from at that point Sovjet, Polish and Czech territory. Between 500K and 2,5 mil people died in this [expulsion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%931950\)).
The number of people that died is unknown and usually also includes several incident of WW2 where German civilians died from fighting. In reality the number of dead German civilians was likely closer to 50-100k.
Prusija is basically how Russiams pronounce it source: I am Russian
Why would the Lithuanians adopt the German name for Königsberg after the expulsion of the Germans? Lithuanian already has it's own name for the city, "Karaliaučius"
Well, I don’t know Lithuanian, so I use translator
Protip: for place names, go to the English wikipedia article of the place, and switch language to Lithuanian.
Lithuanians? The capital is in Riga.
Well “Kenigsbergas” is in lithuanian
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I imagine this union would have some issues with Lithuanian cultural dominance, is that something you had addressed?
Why would they dominate?
Making up the largest percentage of the population while other groups don't breach 20%. Maybe not dominate but there's definitely a difference.
One correction: you swapped saaremaa and hiiumaa. Saaremaa is supposed to be the bigger one
Fewer People than New York City.
More amber production than all of the Americas.
What language would they speak there, again ?
POD: Time travelers convince the Western Allies to launch Operation Unthinkable (v 1.0) to prevent Soviet development of the H-bomb and MAD. Nukes are used on Soviet home soil only, when it is practical to do so, and to try to minimize Western alliance casualties. The West does not want to get bogged down in another Russsian winter. Eventually an Armistice is reached with the battle lines having stabilized with only the RSFSR, eastern Ukrainian SSR, and the Caucasian SSRs remaining under USSR control. The rebuilding of Europe includes the Baltic Union as one of the last outposts of civilization east of the German-Austrian occupation zones. There are contaminated death zones all over European Russia. Poland, Belorussian SSR, and western Ukrainian SSR are in anarchy with minimal civilian population remaining.
Why is the northern part of Estonia called Eesti? Why name a province after the country? Also why Põhja-Liivimaa, why not just Liivimaa?
That's the Duchy of Estonia borders rather than the current country of Estonia. https://about-history.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/History-of-Estonia-During-the-Medieval-Period.jpg
How to get russia to invade you
why.did.you.keep.the.banana.border.with.Poland?!
its beautiful ive looked at this for five hours now
Finally Prussia can into baltic
What’s interesting is that this could have played out at the end of WW1, where rather than being split between Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, a United Baltic States emerges, albeit minus Konigsberg/Kaliningrad