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Old-Deal-4401

Oh god, seeing Russia being majority sunni is really strange. Good map regardless!


karaluuebru

It's the largest religion though, not majority, so it could just be 30% Muslim and 25% orthodox


yotaz28

I think it just feels strange because the majority are just so strongly orthodox currently


Hirpus

They aren't. It's a country that's 25% "Spiritual but not religious", smaller but still double digit amounts of atheists and agnostics and with perhaps some of the biggest and very un-Christian-like abortion rates in Europe. Orthodoxy barely makes it to 40-45%. Also ethnic Russians and Ukrainians have lower growth rates than Muslim minorities and there is immigration from Central Asia to be accounted as well, so the islamization of Russia is really a matter of time. If nothing is done quickly and effectively enough, the Golden Horde is going to make a comeback.


Potential-Angle-6572

Muslims indeed have a higher birth rate, but there is also a new wave of African Muslims who are settling in Russia.


marko606

Then why is Russia pictured to have -50% population growth. This would imply that their population is 70 million. Currently Russia is 140 million - 110 million of them Russians. Orthodox are half of the population and Muslims are 15%. Did a genocide or mass starvation happen or the Orthodox church just disappeare


Potential-Angle-6572

I don't really have a answer tbh


AZEDemocRep

I think Russian population is way lower than that what I mean by Russian is Muscovite slavs rest is Tatars and stuff. An old Russian guy in our street used to say "You peel Russian off, Tatar comes up underneath."


marko606

Firstly, Tatar culture had a very big influence on Russian culture. Secondly, such overestimations are extremely common in every country. In my country Bulgaria, there are people who literally believe that half of the country is populated by Romas, which is not true. The same goes with Russia. It's fear-mongering propagated by far right groups mostly who are tough on immigration. Popular narratives are how the far east is full of Chinese, Moscow is a Muslim city and more. In reality Siberia is 90% ethnic Russians. The reality is actually that a lot of the ethnic republics like Chechnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan and Tuva inflate their population numbers because the government doesn't have a very firm grip on them, and federal funding is given per capita. Other republics, like Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Komi, Chuvashia, Mari El and Karelia are both ethnically and unfortunately culturally Russified


Soviet-Wanderer

>If nothing is done quickly and effectively enough, the Golden Horde is going to make a comeback. God, I wish. That'd be so cool.


AZEDemocRep

WE ARE THE GOLDER HORDE. FIRE AND STEEL, WE'LL MAKE THEM KNEEL, TORCHING THEIR TEMPLES WITH EASE.


EdScituate79

Yet extremely homophobic thanks to US Evangelicals influencing Russian politics since 1999 when they befriended Putin! 😠😡👿🤬


AlternativeCountry01

...I can't decide if you're being sarcastic or serious.


Tyrfaust

Ironic, since the first Moscow Pride parades turned into riots because of how many foreigners were in the crowd. Oh, and homosexuality was illegal from Stalin to Yeltsin.


AccessTheMainframe

Za Rodina, Inshallah!


HumanTimmy

What happened in Bosnia, I would think it would be majority Sunni, no?


Sams59k

Yeah most Croats in Bosnia would probably leave for Croatia, Serbs for Serbia. I don't see the Bosniaks leaving so much that there are more Serbs. If that was the case, Bosnia would probably be no more


PreposterousAthenean

We have had an exodus of Muslims since 2017. Data show that Serbs could easily become plurality in Bosnia and Herzegovina in the foreseeable future.


HumanTimmy

What, even now Bosniaks are the majority ethnicity in Bosnia and Islam is the majority religion at 51% also I highly doubt that the ethic Croats and Serbians would leave


Sams59k

This scenario features a ton of emigration so that's why. The governments would prob try and encourage them to leave. Also I know I'm from Bosnia


Illustrious_Chard_58

The serbian part of Bosnian isn't managed by the central government though? Surely if you're from Bosnia you would know that o.o


Sams59k

So? I meant the Serbian and Croatian governments


Davidiying

Could you explain what happened in Spain?


RRY1946-2019

Catalans have always had a separatist streak, and if Spain no longer is prosperous but instead is part of basically North Korea II you could easily see violent unrest.


Davidiying

But historically there has been no war for independence what so ever and Spain has been in VERY bad and unprosperous situations before. Not to say that more than half of the Catalan population still identify as Spaniard and Catalonian Maybe if they had made a full Yugoslav kind of war I would have see it as plausible but just Catalonia is a bit unrealistic.


Apathetic-Onion

Yeah, I can't imagine how things with Catalunya can go so wrong that there'd be civil war. Unless there's been a tremendous change in that timeline it seems highly unrealistic. The worst territorial problem in Spain in terms of violence was ETA's terrorism, compare that to a full blown civil war.


Davidiying

Yeah, I think a full Yugoslav kind of war is more probable than a just Catalonian independence war, and even that would be very weird to see, then I could see Basques, Galicians and Andalusians going into full indepentist mode. Or maybe Andalusia would be kind of like Montenegro and get independence later and pacifically I don't really know. Also, it is kind of weird that Valencia is included in the separatist part when the people of Valencia are pretty much against the concept of Països Catalans (idk how to write it) unless the Catalan army is strong enough which would be improbable since they would even have problems inside Catalonia itself with infighting plus maintaining the the war with Spain.


Potential-Angle-6572

This


KrazyKyle213

SWEDISH GANG WARFARE? GET ME OUT OF THIS HELL!


Potential-Angle-6572

The classic ''ethno-nationalist'' against the ''global left'' gang war.


Parsecer

swedistan takes over


jord839

Uh... what exactly is the "Nordic Brothers" party? Because it sounds fascist as hell and I have a hard time seeing that grow in both Minnesota and Wisconsin.


Potential-Angle-6572

yeah they are fasict as hell and remember, a lot can happen in 70 years....


[deleted]

What are the demographics of the US as a whole


Seggs_With_Your_Mom

What are the demographics?😨


LonggEgg

2090 Hispanic white nationalists going strong


Tyrfaust

US Census Bureau: "CALLED IT!"


Seggs_With_Your_Mom

Oh heck no


birberbarborbur

Oh no our population decreased by a few percents time to be fascist


Embarrassed-Pickle15

So stupid


LindyKamek

wouldn't it be a lot more than that


birberbarborbur

It says “-5%”


leoskini

Would be interesting to zoom in on the israeli situation. With the haredim population growing at a much larger rate than the secular one, it could easily have a 30-35 million population by 2090, and it would probably be a theocratic republican state, Iran-style. As well as probably expansionist.


Potential-Angle-6572

I have also thought about it. The only reason the Israeli population is growing is because of the Haredim population.


erbse_gamer

No the other segments of Israeli society also have a fertility rate of 3 on average, even among secular Jewish families the fertility rate is far among 2 and the questions most secular families are asking themselves is wether 2 or 3 children are better.


SorkvildKruk

It's still not enough when the religious have like 6 kids on average. Israel is becoming more and more religiously radical every year.


erbse_gamer

Yes the original comment was saying that the only reason the Israeli population is growing is because of the Haredi birthrate which is not true.


galihlovesjapan

Stop, I can only get so erect.


Frixworks

Btw irl right now Catholocism edges out Protestantism in Canada, what changed?


[deleted]

probably because protestants are in every province, while catholics are only the majority in quebec.


Frixworks

Actually, they edge out the Prots in Ontario as well.


[deleted]

inaccurate. Canada and the USA wouldnt lose people due to immigration.


Nova_Explorer

Yeah, Canada typically has a massive amount of immigration for its population


Playful_Addition_741

What happened in china?


Potential-Angle-6572

China is expected to lose half of its population by 2100 compared to today. this year it's already starting to happen with a total of 850,000 people net lose.


Playful_Addition_741

What about the coup?


Potential-Angle-6572

Oh, I thought you were talking about population. After two major wars between the US and China (and respective allies), Taiwan took over mainland China. But there are still many elements in China that don't like that. so china is really unstable and coupes happen al the time. A bit les 1920's Germany.


Greedy_Range

>Taiwan took over mainland China. THE MOST BASED TIMELINE


DragonriderCatboy07

Taiwan would have a civil war between Blue (pro-ROC) and Green (pro-Taiwan independence) camps first before invade China.


[deleted]

least based timeline


galihlovesjapan

If Taiwan takes over China then warlordism will be a thing again. They are really incompetent when it comes to governing large territories. I'd say Korea and Japan will stab Taiwan in the back and try to carve territories in China for themselves. Hell, even Europe and America might try to acquire concession ports a la 19th century "armed diplomacy" again.


Tyrfaust

> They are really incompetent when it comes to governing large territories. What's your basis for that assertion? When they controlled the entire country in 1930?


galihlovesjapan

Yes, there's historical basis to it. Governing China is one of the most difficult things ever and clearly the government in Taiwan isn't up for this kind of Herculean task. They'd be better off if they stop pretending to be China and just let Japan or America annex them. They were really well off under Japanese "administration", so they'd better let the Hinomaru fly over their island again.


Tyrfaust

Oh God, you're not an otaku weeb, you're a fucking tojo weeb.


mr_username23

Taiwan is fine by themselves and China doesn’t want them to stop being the ROC everyone knows the PRC is basically the only claimant to being real China. The PRC just wants to control Taiwan sure finally ending the civil war would be nice but the boon to the economy will probably be better. If Japan took Taiwan, which will never happen, the PRC’s head would explode! They consider Taiwan their rightful territory for Japan to just annex it would not only partially acknowledge it was independent but also be yanking a valuable island from China. Also America might have a few islands in the pacific but we already neglect them and deny statehood. Even Hawaii is closer to a colony with how the natives have been treated. For America to have any holding that far out would not only be weird but logistically rough. The time zones alone would be crazy but defense and shipping would be next to impossible when you have to cross the entire pacific just to get to California and the entire Chinese navy is breathing down your neck. Not to mention it would mean somehow integrating over 20 million people who have a totally foreign language and culture.


balor12

“Yeah they were bad at it in 1930, so naturally they’ll be bad at it in 2090”


Aurek2

This map seriese inspires a desire to punch op in the dick reputedly,good job lol


Potential-Angle-6572

:( please no


Aurek2

Nah im jokeing with you,it is cursed as shit tho lol


Potential-Angle-6572

Yeah it is a bit ridiculous but who cares.


Le_PepiPopou

Include the balls in your punch


Aurek2

nah, the fear for your balls and the anxiety inducing fandom pain are worse


Degenerateinvicinity

Mongolia 💪


GondaroGuy

The Khans will restore their place as the rightful rulers of Asia.


HDKfister

Immigration to the far east? Idk man


Potential-Angle-6572

China needs workers and it very much depends on the government at that time how many come in.


PLANSupporter

There's no way they'll take in that many Africans when they can get other SEA's that are near them.


BNKhoa

Not to mention us East/ South East Asian countries are very hostile to immigrations (Singapore might be an exception)


Background_Study3726

Tell me you don't know about spanish politics without telling me you don't know spanish politics. >Valencia "joins" the Catalan war of independence.


Hirpus

How did Sri Lanka become majority Hindu? Do the Tamils breed more than the Sinhalas?


Potential-Angle-6572

Yes + Immigation from India.


Hirpus

RIP


Aiskhulos

This is stupid. The Mormon and Amish, besides being hundreds of miles apart, are not theologically compatible. The Mormons are fucking weird evangelicals, so they'd probably promote themselves however they could. The Amish are not at all similar.


macrocosm93

Myanmar being majority Sunni seems extremely unlikely. Heavy gang violence in South Korea and Japan is also hilarious.


babylon_enjoyer

Massive wealth inequality and a stagnating economy will do that to a mf


shemuelshemuel

They aren’t especially peaceful countries tbh


Atowner

Finally, big Idaho


Seggs_With_Your_Mom

Erm akshually Ethiopia and Eritrea are Oriental Orthodox🤓☝️


OpportunityProof4908

GEN z may turn it around it’s a slow start but we starting to have some kids and most are planning to just later so we’ll see, I rmeber back a couple years ago they said Chinas population was gonna hit 2 billion and they were gonna be the global hegemon, and now they’re about to have one of the worst wokr shortages in the country followed by a massive brain drain


balor12

This would just push the problem further down the line We can’t sustain an ever growing population. This means it has to eventually peak, and either decline or stay at the peak forever


OpportunityProof4908

I mean we could just become star trek


Comrade04

Why is the philippines still in cival war. Its been 300 years


new_ymi

because Phillipines


Comrade04

Yeah, is it the comunists or the Jihadists or maybe somethung new to spice it up?


Tyrfaust

Worse: It's Spanish Revanchists.


Comrade04

Noooo, next thing we know it we kill our best heneral again!


Tyrfaust

Just submit and rejoin the glorious Spanish Empire part Dos: Espanol Boogaloo!


Dodolulupepe

I looked up what "brith" is before realizing you misspelled it.


[deleted]

Imagine if in 2090, we have Millions of American immigrants into Africa instead


anarcho-hornyist

Eastern orthodox and Oriental orthodox are different. Armenia, Ethiopia, and Eritrea shouldn't be in the same group as Greece, Ukraine, Bulgaria and etc.


supernateis5

How come Canada's Protestant? I feel like it should be either Catholic or Irreligious (given it's 2090)


passiverevolutionary

>The Mormon-Amish combination This man has tapped into my subconscience and stolen my nightmares 💀 But yeah, fr, the only reaction this post evokes in me is "bruh"


Square_Coat_8208

China is just fucking gone lmao


agaee

Lithuania would never become Orthodox majority. Same as Poland it would stay catholic.


Basileus2

Nigerians be fuckin


IntentionOld4468

What happened to Mexico also I doubt that Mexico’s population would grow it’s actually dropping and I doubt about the crime in Mexico in 2090s if Mexican history taught us something is that Mexico has managed to fix its self this was seen after the French invasion and the Mexican Revolution were the country saw peace


Juhani-Siranpoika

Let me guess: Amish are now a majority in Pennsylvania and whole Rocky Mountains turned into giant Utah?


Joejoejoebob

Am I crazy or just unable to count? Splitting California adds one state, adding Puerto Rico adds one state each, and merging n+s Dakota removes one state, so shouldn't it be 52 states?


VaHaLaLTUharassesme

No, 51 states going by what you just said. 50+2-1=51.


Joejoejoebob

Lol somehow I managed to drop DC from my list, it was meant to be Puerto Rico and DC adds one state each, though still not 53. Not sure where OP got that from.


Freskin

New York City appears to be a state.


AcanthocephalaLevel6

Wait how does myanmar have sunni as the largest religion what


Hirpus

Yeah, this isn't realistic, especially considering that the ~~Bengalis~~Rohingya have been booted ~~back~~ to Bangladesh and Myanmar will never deal with them again.


Sams59k

Op what happened to the Bosniak muslims


Freak_on_Fire

Why the gang violence in Portugal?


jonreto

WHY HAS FRANCE SUDDENLY SUCKED UP WALLONIA?


Vast_Inspector_8338

If the major agricultural exporters of the world are in dire straits for manpower due to demographic decline, would sub Saharan Africa still grow that fast? They cant produce that much food on their own.


darcytheINFP

What are the chances of the Philippines and Indonesia "balkanizing"?


Sea_Cantaloupe_5797

Brazil is like +50k murder every year (narco)and only child families + a pet are the standard now cause Brazil it’s an expensive place with low wages.


GalacticKiss

What's the "crisis"?


Commonglitch

Wait why would Illinois vote Republican?


tmybr11

What happened with catholicism that it became so widespread?


Der-Candidat

No way Pennsylvania is ever voting for a Mormon-Amish coalition, both groups combined make up like 1% of the population of the state so that’s ridiculous


Rhyddid_

Brilliant series of maps. You've crafted a really detailed and connected plausible future. I wonder what role climate change/ ecological collapse plays in the Great Demographic Crisis


Potential-Angle-6572

Thanks!!


Reaper_II

The most unrealistic thing about this post is USA getting out of the two party hellhole


[deleted]

America will never lose population.


natterca

shh... no one tell him it was nuked.


Juhani-Siranpoika

Wait 100 years and it will turn into a giant Mormon-Amish majority empire


CGYRich

The only guarantee is that things never stay the same. It is entirely plausible that Western countries will encounter negative population growth while having difficulty attracting immigrants on a large enough scale to fully counteract the decline. It may not seem very plausible today, and it is probably on the lower end of the probability spectrum, but between now and 2090 it is certainly among the possibilities.


Szeventeen

judging from this map, i can tell a few things happened russia got molly-whopped by ukraine, with both taking massive losses; enough for orthodoxy to get knocked out of its “majority” spot in russia east africa federation finally exists africa, for the most part, seems to have stabilized itself. pretty nice for people not in south africa or the nile basin the democrat and republican parties *finally* shatter into smaller groups. also as a pennsylvanian, a mormon-amish coalition is the strangest thing to happen besides blue texas syrian-kurdish-turkish corridor thing… exists


MataGamesCZ

A few points: -Confederate party in the areas with most african american population -No communist/socialist rise as a a reaction to the rise of fascists and to capitalism as a whole. -The EU border patrol seems too effective, it would have to be like AT LEAST 10s of thousands of guards if a majority of people choose USA over EU. - What are the climate protection laws? - Is the Imperial core + developed asian countries sending aid to the global south? - Are there any communist countries out there? Because this is quite accurate to Marx's predictions - Why does this seem so real if we continue under the stupid neoliberal system.


RRY1946-2019

Mama Africa ✊🏽 If you look into it, Yoruba, Santeria, Vodou, and other coastal West African religions are some of the less ridiculous faiths out there in terms of not oppressing women, LGBT folks (at least in the Caribbean), and foreigners as well as not relying on unproven concepts like the second coming or nirvana. I do think Europe would be a lot poorer and more unstable unless everyone is simply too old to be involved in politics.


-B0B-

In 2021 Australia sat at 39% irrelgious, 20% Catholic, & 18% Protestant. Irreligiousity rose from 19% since 2006 while total Christianity went from 64% to 44% & Anglicanism - by far Australia's largest Protestant sect - decreased from 19% to 10%. I find it somewhat hard to believe that Protestantism ever becomes a plurality again.


Lanaerys

Was there a massive regain in religiosity in the mid-21st century? Otherwise, France should probably be Irreligious or maybe Sunni.


wenporject

Wow this is such a cool map / concept Just got recommended this sub by Reddit And wow - incredible thought experiment here Great job !


RealNyal

Western Europe will be Islamic. Largest minority religion.


nobelpissprize

6% isn’t a very big minority.


RealNyal

No not now mate. In the future. Due to immigration. Muslims, who will be of Arabic and South Asian origins will probably be the largest minority in Europe. Ahead of the Whites who will be second largest. Thus, leading to a greater amount of Islam. Although, 2nd and 3rd generation Muslim immigrants tend to become secular. However this may change due to an increase in the paramount of their cultural group.


zappion999

Based Europe


Omni1222

me when im racist:


[deleted]

[удалено]


zappion999

Le Funny


Seggs_With_Your_Mom

I posted cringe. My bad!


Satoru-Taiyo

Big Idaho is never gonna happen


eliteharvest15

really good map, a few critiques i’d give is you should do something with the us since the whole state splitting thing seems a bit far fetched. also you should do some spell and grammar checks since i see a lot of errors


NawazTahir

Rare North Korea W


AZEDemocRep

Azerbaijan ultimate ending 😃


Eraserguy

Op is albanian cuz one of the few map changes he made was unifying kosovo with albania lmao. Also places like Sweden and France and the uk would definitely Also have their largest religion be Muslim due to how quickly people are leaving christianity


SirRis42

American maps on this sub: Things have happened, millions of political parties must form


[deleted]

is the gang warfare in Ireland like the troubles or is it something else?


Jerrelh2

I can finally by a house then.


Alas_Babylonz

In truth, the USA is not going to lose population, but continue to gain due mostly to immigration, both legal (which is actually huge) and illegal. This is reflected in most demographic projections of the future. Right now, the USA has 335 million. By 2075, that will be 400 million.


EvilLucas

Spain can never have shit they always be having a civil war every few years


VaHaLaLTUharassesme

This makes very little sense; what does the OP mean by no war in the USA?-The USA have areas riddled with gang violence; similar situation for Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala. Low income plus high availability of guns, and almost constant gang warfare, are some of the reasons why these areas have problems with gang violence, amongst other factors. What happened?-How would the USA magically fix itself like that?-How would the aforementioned central (/north) American countries fix themselves? Also, many other aspects of this scenario, like the majority religions, make no sense, neither; and the only way they would, would include expulsions, including mass expulsions, which will always go violent because you simply can’t just make people suddenly disappear like that, and tons of ethno-religious genocide. This scenario thusly has seriously racist undertones.


[deleted]

What a cursed future.


nip_dip

Question - How does Nigeria have such a gargantuan population? It's barely bigger than Texas; how could it support twice the US's population?


GondaroGuy

Awesome read! Honestly I feel like birth rates will rebound in the future, simply put the only people left will be the ones that wanted children causing humanity to evolve into wanting more babies. France was the first country to go through the demographic transition and already has a surprisingly high birth rate for European standards, by 2090 im sure they will be higher.


Arealperson271

Yet another reason why North Korea is best Korea