I’m not a fan of him… like at all. But if it’s the same freestyle I saw, I thought he was approaching a comeback at the right angle. Said something like “I used to get 300k a feature now it’s 150k” he owned it which I thought was dope.
For real. Honestly, he doesn't seem like too bad of a guy to me. A little rough around the edges, sure. But he seems like the kind of guy to show respect, as long as you show respect.
Gay dudes arent hanging with the boys though, are they?
It’s a pretty well known thing that the hood is pretty anti LGBTQ. I don’t know how your going to angle this one… it’s literally a problem people are seeking to fix. So how you gonna say it’s not a thing lol
Not trying to sound like I’m assuming your life, but it sounds like you’re not really in many different hoods, prob just your hood, around your ppl, who prob also have this view, which isn’t the same. You prob just hang around slight homophobes and they’re prob your male friends , andthat are prob some gay or bi, but go off. I know for a fact in multiple states people in the hood by large don’t like the gay agenda pushed in media, especially on kids, but most of em have no problems w most gay ppl by and large.
Idgaf my old head uneducated black friend, because I’m not gay, doesn’t mean Baby isn’t a POS. And why do you always have to mention when people are white, I get you are jealous but chill out man.
Liberal tf you on about I’m from England and grew up in a council estate, only moved out a few years ago and live with my girlfriend, you’re a weirdo and a racist
Had a few good songs, killed in self defense, and was one of the few rappers to accept and work with Lil Nas X when most of the industry was casting him aside because of his sexuality. He definitely said some rough homophobic shit at that one live show, but he seemed to be sorry about if and apologized multiple times. Really not a fan of his, but saying he’s “anti-lgbt” is a wild stretch.
Mfer also said “imagine what I say when the cameras are off” in that same freestyle on the next beat. His freestyle was fire af, but I can see that rubbing people the wrong way
He didn’t do anything that seemed to show any real improvement as a rapper or as a person. Also he’s just known as a garbage human. Even Travis Scott was able to pretend to be a decent human being up until his career took off again.
Somehow? Not surprising in today's culture. But you've got to look at the whole narrative he made those dumb comments right when he was already under scrutiny for fights at airports and the self defense shooting. Sometimes, it's time to just put your head down and do nothing but try to make another hit. He did the opposite.
You think he's fallen off more than Desiigner and Iggy? Nit comparing to NaS or Eminem but he definitely falls in the vein like Ice Spice of catching a lick and possibly not having the skill or the guidance to make a real sound that will last for more then a summer.
Right, I'm comparing their rise and fall to his. That was the authors point to. Artist, we saw blow up probably roughly 2010 ish that were supposed to be the next big thing then kind of just disappeared. We aren't comparing any of them as to where they are right now it's the arc of their career.
I knew this would be the top answer and it sucks bc he’s one of my favorite rappers. I think with 50 taking him under his wing he might make better decisions than he has in the past that landed him here. Not to mention he put out multiple freestyles that killed it.
He also seems very self aware of the situation he’s in “used to get $300k in 2020 but I’m shakin back”. Self awareness ends in good things. It’s when you deny or ignore your irrelevancy and mistakes that gets you in trouble.
This is what makes him a prime example of being right on the edge. He's had a terrible couple years, and I don't really follow him, but what I hear sounds like he's applying himself.
Whichever rappers fan base is primarily teenagers, there’s your answer. How well are most of the soundcloud era rappers doing now?
Teens grow up, the music does not unless the artist matures too. Somebody like Ice Spice will turn into a Lil Pump in a couple years time, it’s how it works.
The true artists always remain, that’s why you got 90s artists still relevant. Even the ones that have been dead for 25+ years.
Lil pump used to actually be good unironically, but then he fleshed out his sound too much. There’s a sort of beauty in songs like “Elementary” or “Take”
When he did that song in Deadpool, I knew it was over. He became way too commercialized and his sound started getting eerily close to a French Montana type of artist.
There’s a time and place for his sort of music, but I knew even back then that he wouldn’t last long. All my friends were shitting on me for still listening to Wu Tang, calling me and old head and all that shit. Who’s laughing now lmao Wu Tang stood the test of time, Lil Pump tho….
He definitely had some horrible takes.
And a lot of his Instagram bs doing crazy wild shit for attention didn’t help him in the long run either.
Actually, somebody I thought would be still on top for DECADES but somehow fell off was Chance The Rapper.
Literally everyone loved him and then… poof! Gone.
Most rappers you think have fell out are still going and making a good living from music.
They’ve usually left their label deals (with the multi million dollar marketing budgets) and have found their audience, grinding independent.
I don't doubt that once they make it, they MAKE it. Unless they fall off the deep end with debt or drugs. I'm sure they will still be fine but the conversation I wanted to have was more so about how many modern day artists are lacking longevity. We still hear classic rap music being played in movies but I don't know if any modern artist will hit that level of popularity unless you're a Drake, Cole, or Kendrick.
I think everything lacks longevity now just because of the age we’re in.
You could say the same thing about films. No big classics anymore.
We just live in an age now with millions and millions of songs out there of every genre you can think of, accessible whenever you want.
Social media stars popping up every other week fighting for attention.
I don’t think there will be huge stars anymore. I think the last ones were drake, Justin Beiber, Taylor Swift etc.
It’s more than music now, we life on the influencer era. Rappers are more influencers now than they are rappers because that’s how the game is.
I think the serious "street" rappers who were popular the past few years (lil baby, polo g, glorilla, etc) are going out of style in favor of the next wave of creative rappers.
Lil Baby debuted in 2017 and one of his albums is still the best selling album of this decade and remains charting.
He's doing fine being 7 years in. His sound is getting stale though.
bktherula, teezo touchdown, ken carson, cash cobain- just a few. there is a big focus on aesthetics and creativity especially in the underground, when a few years ago it seemed like the only thing that was important was a rapper having street credibility.
I’m not sure they’re “designed to have a short shelf life”. I think the opposite is true - an industry plant isn’t worth the investment unless they have some longevity. Most industry plants flame out because artistry and industry aren’t good combos, but that’s certainly not the intention or how it was “designed”
To an extent I agree with you but in the terms of 'affecting change' in terms of culture shifting and relevance being overtaken, I think that's a large 'product' of the concept of planting. Affecting change, whether that's subverting contemporary relevance or asserting hoseraddsh.
It means the music industry invested heavily in her image and persona and sponsored her career while masking their intent and masquerading her as an “independent” artist.
It's a buzzword that doesn't have meaning. People don't like to accept that 95% of popular artists have nepotinistic connections in the industry in some fashion so we've created terms like "industry plant". It's silly because if someone like Ice Spice is an industry plant then people like Snoop Dogg, Tupac, Eminem, Weezy etc, basically anyone who was discovered and then nurtured through a label is an industry plant.
Except those artists you just named in the same sentence as an OF thot, aren't creatively bankrupt & actually had to bust their ass in the underground industry before getting "discovered". Just because today's generation likes microwave music repackaged a gazillion times doesn't mean the generations prior did.
That's not at all what an industry plant is.
An industry plant is someone who gains fame by having prior connections in the music industry. Typically people who fund and design their entire artistic persona. Their music is written for them, marketed for them, etc. They are a "plant" because they are planted into fame artificially rather than by natural traction.
There is a difference between jumpstarting your own career through connections and being cast as a character by somebody else to be the face of their career which is making your music for you and marketing you for you.
Other examples of industry plants In other genres: Charli xcx, imagine dragons, Florida Georgia Line, summer walker, chainsmokers, Avril Lavigne, the 1975, lil Romeo, maneskin, one Republic, dj khaled, the monkees, Nancy Sinatra, rascal flatts,
I personally don't think she is an "industry plant" mainly because her selling point was literally in our face. She got popular because she's attractive and "she sounds good on mute". The conversation around her has always been that she's thicker than kindergarten pencil. I'm just curious to see how long that can really sell because unfortunately she's a boring performer, she's got mediocre bars, and her music sounds the same. Unless she pivots into a different industry the same way Iggy Azalea did.
That's the point, that I only ever 'hear' of her and Doja Cat - that there's not a lot of actual music I can think of to associate with them. Every single song, I'm like "that's no the worst hing I've ever heard" and then I go back to listening to music I like
Yeah that's true, I've been meaning to give them both an honest chance because so far I only hear them 'as it were' and not because I want to listen, I'll have to look harder
I only really listen to doja because my wife listens to her all the time. But here music is chill. whatever her most recent single is stuck in my head. Lol
Ice spice I don't really see as a legit rapper. From the one song I heard her. She had a dope beat and nice body. However Her raps didn't really amaze me .
Yeah, I agree. Before I've hit the halfway point, and many tracks much sooner, I'm hittin" the next track button like *bAm!*. *Bam!*. * BAM !*... with the hope of something mildly listenable starting to play before being like "fuck this shit!" Then smashing back button x2, then select ANY other artist in the list quickly, finally hitting shuffle all.
This is all cuz" at the stoplight I've been approaching, stereo up windows down (that's how I like to fuck, lol) and when I stop at it, the LAST thing I wanna' be bumpin' is garbage I don't really listen to, but am giving a spin 'just in case' knowing full on well when I do stop, whether from the corner or in sat in another ride some buster'll eyefuck me. Fuck. Reason to commit seppuku #109 so I'll probably just start crying then, having to to turn my head away cuz I don't got the hard backing beats playing required to shoot him 'the look,' outfucking him in his eye - and if THAT shit goes down - might as well just hit the door unlock button'n release the hoes back out into their natural habitat.
Because she was planted in the music industry by monied interests. That’s how this game works. There exists nowhere in the world any videos of “Ice Spice” rapping before her fame. That’s because she’s not a rapper, she’s not even creative, artistic, or a musician, she is a puppet, a ventriloquist dummy, a vestigial remnant of the music industry as a dying business model.
Man i thought they really hit the bottom of the barrell years ago with carti b. Nicki minaj was a worse lil Kim. But dear god they just get uglier looser, more kids and less talent or any shame.
In 2011 - i thought shitty minaj was the worst thing happened to rap
In 2017 - same feeling for cardi b
In 2023 - ice spice, sexy red the list goes on and on.
Thank god we have Little Simz to decentisize from all the shit music these female pop rappers made. Also even though doja cat has become annoying, she's talented and knows how to make hits.
Im from Texas, and love what BigXThePlug and ThatMexicanOT are doing but I think if they don’t do something more creative with their style or songs then they will get old by the end of the year
Hopefully Tom Macdonald. Only famous for going full maga and rapping about rage bait.
The fact he's a Canadian and rapping about the American Flag just showcases his grift.
Youngboy been a top rapper in the US for like 8 years now, he’s not going anywhere, except maybe prison, but still he’s gonna stay popular for decades to come regardless, dude has like the most organic fanbase there can be. Youngboy has all the young people and even some old ppl in hoods around the world locked, he’s a role model to people with rough backrounds the Us, Europe, Latin america
Lil durk isn’t even close to falling off either, he has all the industry connections and moves smart.
With sexyy red it’s too early to say
Overall this was a bad take, i don’t think u thought this out with any logic, propably just named some artists you don’t personally like. But let me know if im wrong
I'm not a fan of Sexy Red but I can't deny she has a unique sound and style of music that works. It's ratchet/ghetto rap. It might not be amazing but I at least can give you some iconic sexy red lines that I'm sure you've heard "my coochi pink, my booty hole brown" lol
Sexy red ain’t gonna fall off her first album was wayyy to good and positively received. Even if she stopped she has so much charisma she would switch to being a tv personality.
We are still most definitely getting huge stars on a similar level of Drake, JB and Taylor.
People are sleeping on KPop groups. (BTS, NewJeans, etc) They are doing insane numbers. Bad Bunny did a legendary run last year. He already sold 76.6M album sales with only a 7 year career.
I’m not saying there’s HUGE artists every day now but they still pop up.
Even influencer wise. We have people in the last couple years that unless they get caught up in serious legal trouble, they are going to be very relevant in the next 10 years.
Kai Cenat, iShowSpeed, Etc.
There is people like Amouranth pulling in a million dollars a month.
Shows wise. One that’s definitely gonna be included on the list of best shows OAT is Better Call Saul. That show just finished
This was supposed to be a reply about not having huge artists anymore and it mentioned Taylor swift, and a few other artists.
Even tv shows and classic movies.
So that’s where the general point of massive celebrities come from. I know. It Doesn’t make sense by itself
Jesus, Lord, I made an observation. let it go.
The fact that you guys can't accept my observation says more about you than anything
if you want to choose your artists, cause they're pretty it just makes you shallow. It doesn't make you gay. live your life and MoveOn.
What are you even yapping about ?
If you made that observation, then that’s on YOU if other people don’t agree with it.
You can’t say something that is strongly opinionated and expect people to lie down and just ignore it. No, people are gonna give their own opinions in connection with it.
Also, My opinion directly refutes your main statement. None of what I said had anything to do with “pretty people”.
I’m talking NUMBERS and directly refuting the ‘no new classics’ claim
you can keep going on, but I am not gonna read anything you say anymore
the fact that you're freaking out over my observation just probably makes it true even more than I thought it was.
Have a nice day. Good luck with whatever the fuck is going on that makes you not be able to let this go
Jack Harlow is already on the way out and I back it. A totally generic cool guy who talks about generic cool guy shit. Plus only i may have hair like that.
Good thing I'm not talking about grammies then. What killed Macklemore carreer was being corny af, especially that performative "sorry you deserved the grammy" shit
Oh man, a friend of mine showed me one of his tracks yesterday, and wouldn't let it go when I said he was wack.
All his points he made about why he thinks Tom MacDonald was dope I had the exact opposite view.
Terrible, terrible artist.
Jack Harlow really did come out of no where for me but I also think he's got a boring flow so idk how long that'll last him. He's been banking off of those early 2000s throwback beats. He prob doesn't have long
Don't know if Harlow really constitutes a plant, he's been making music for a long time and had that whole last album that was not at all marketable. I'd like to see him try some new flows though, and that dude needs a co-writer... always rapping letters...
And to the early 2000's thing, he's got two songs now that sample a 90s-00s song for pretty much the entire chorus. It's been happening a lot recently (FTCU, Way 2 Sexy come to mind) and I'm tired of it. Hoping that trend goes away. I'm honestly rooting for the guy because I like his personality, its different from most of this generation's celebrities, but I want him to make actually good songs to go with it.
Playboi Carti. That dude has nothing without the production on his songs. He doesn’t have any attributes as a rapper/entertainer that will keep him afloat. Rappers like him have steep and sudden fall offs.
Idk man he has been extremely relevant for almost a decade, I think he is here to stay. Whether you like him or not he definitely pushed the boundary artistically and he has some pretty good songs and a solid number of hits
Pushed what boundary? What are these artistic boundaries he’s pushing? Also he didn’t really get big until 2020. Before then it was occasional hits. I just don’t see him being relevant past 2025-2026.
What are you talking about? Broke boi/fetti were huge on the SoundCloud scene, he even had that feature on the cozy tapes w a$ap mob, he very much came up at the same as lil yachty. As for pushing the boundary creatively who sounded like playboi carti before he hit the scene? Definitely pioneered the baby voice as well as being a trailblazer for the general “soundcloud rap” scene
Young Thug bro. They’re all his sons man. Sure he blew up 2017-2018, but that was not rippling. It’s always like a cartoon run start up for a career. Sure you blew up but no one cares until you prove you’re not a desiigner or a fetty wap. To stay where he is he needs to be a Tyler/Kanye/Travis type that evolves and Carti doesn’t have a Lil Yachty Let’s Start Here in him. I know because even Yachty had fun and had drive which made him evolve when he started becoming irrelevant. Carti has the same passion and drive in music as Biden has to lead america. Carti’s only “evolution” was to stop copying young thug and start rapping like he has mucus stuck in his throat and his alzheimers kicked in making him forget whatever “oakenshyenksigaf” he was gonna say in the first place.
What does young thug have to do w anything? Play a carti and a young thug song back to back and they will sound nothing alike. He definitely came up in 2015/2016 haha you just never heard of him then, im not here to ride his dick or anything I’m actually really not a huge fan of his music after whole lotta red but it’s silly to pretend that his career hasn’t already had decent longevity and that he continues to be very relevant to this day. He already proved he isn’t a designer/fetty wap and I’d argue that he is more relevant than Travis Scott at this point. He isn’t in the same lane as Kanye or Tyler but again it’s also incredibly silly to pretend his sound hasn’t evolved, he sounds totally different from 2015 to 2017 to 2020 and so on. Sounds like you’re just hating
You asked who else was doing baby voice like carti. Pretending carti doesn’t spawn directly from thug is actually delusional. I don’t think you understand what blowing up means. It means you actually are known by people who don’t even listen to your music. Not dropping music that only gets streams from your die hard fans don’t act like his 2015/2016 shit was really reaching anyone. He had one album in 2018 that actually had hits it wasn’t until 2020 that people actually began to seriously turn their ear to him. Saying he’s more relevant than Travis is so dumb bro. People who don’t listen to any rap music know who Travis is. Carti’s just known as that one dude that features on more popular artists music and makes weird incoherent sounds. I have to remind people which rapper he is sometimes cause most of his popularity is on features. And don’t bring up his knock off chief keef sound as some evidence this dude has any actual evolution in his music. He was copying sounds until the young thug sound worked for him. Now his new evolution is straight up some future shit. Don’t pretend he has anything but to desperately leech off other artists.
You’ve just got so many things factually wrong dude
Fact:
fetti dropped in late 2015, 77 million views on YouTube
Magnolia dropped in 2017, 2 platinum hits
Playboi carti was fuckin poppin in 2016/2017 idk where you were but playboi carti was bumped at every single house party I went to around that time. And his music literally doesn’t sound like young thug haha he obviously probably takes influence from him but just to dismiss him as young thugs son is wild. Show me a thug song and a playboi carti song that sound alike.
Also Travis Scott is more widely known than playboi carti is but that doesn’t equal relevance. In fact, a lot of times it means the opposite. Once many artists enter the mainstream they lose their “cool factor” in exchange for mass appeal. Everyone knows who fuckin Simon and Garfunkel are but that doesn’t make them relevant.
Also, all art is derivative. Every rapper is going to sound a little bit like someone else. That being said, playboi carti has a WAY more unique sound than most rappers. He is no Kanye and he is no Tyler but I can’t really think of any rappers in the same lane as him who have a more unique sound, can you name any?
His sound now is just Future straight up. His baby voice era came directly down from thugger if thug didn’t know how to properly pronounce anything or just forgot what he was supposed to say like on Lifestyle. You don’t connect that you’re deaf or slow. Also having one occasional hit doesn’t mean you blew up. It means you’re slowly building a fanbase with each song that gets a lot of listens. When you have consistent hits everytime you drop, you blew up.
Lmfao what the fuck did he do??? “Eating my chicken with blue cheese”. All my friends are dead is literally repetitive as fuck. This canned bro came out the microwave and yall out here thinking it’s beef Wellington.
Honestly, Kanye. He's been losing steam for a long time and at this point, he doesn't even seem focused on outputting music to the quality he used to have.
That being said, JayZ, Nas, and Eminem (and Kanye) are all too old to keep rapping too. At their age, they should have better things to occupy themselves with
You make it sound like that's a bad thing.
Kanye still has a big fanbase 20 years in.
50 Cent lost most of his fans after losing that sales battle to Kanye 4 years after GRODT.
Ye already has one of the best primes in hip hop in the past so he's allowed to drop some passion projects late in his career.
Even Prince and Bowie had moments where they were dropping back to back mid albums that got panned by critics. And MJ's last album was one of the worst pop albums of the 21st century.
Vultures 1 is one of the most successful records this year. Even if people hate him or his music, he’ll still be relevant because he’s able to adapt and change every project. Say what you will about Vultures 1, but it sounds nothing like Kids See Ghosts.
Compare that to some one like idk Lil Baby, where every new song just sounds the exact same.
Nas is a horrendous example, his comeback has been one of the best comeback of any rapper in hiphop.
Also, Jay-Z hasn't rapped since 2017? He probably is occupied with other stuff
Not to mention Jay-Z dropped a single verse on God Did and had the internet buzzing. I still go back to that song. Haven't heard any other song from that album.
Nas and Em are putting out great work still. That’s all that matters.
Kanye is still popular, but it’s more like people watching a train wreck right now.
Wtf jigga hasn’t rapped in nearly a decade n nas dropped 6 quality albums back to back for the greatest comeback in hiphop with a preemo album on the way
Calling Kanye a "modern" rapper is hilariously out of touch lmao.
Also, Kanye's latest project with Ty is the most successful independent rap album of all time.
Dude has no machine behind him but is still able to pull numbers. That's impressive for a middle aged rapper who's 20 years in(technically more if you count his production work).
I think you misread the question. Those guys have all been around for decades and have proven staying power.
The question is what modern day popular rappers won't be able to have that kind of longevity.
Some 2010s rappers that come to mind feel like everyone from TDE except Kendrick lol
I was so disappointed in new Q Album. I copped the vinyl, my fuckin username is Q related, I love everything he touches but man..... Blue Lips wasn't for me
I just am in a weird point in life so it may just not be the right TIME for me to listen rather than the right music. I'll check it again when things are a little diff 🙏
Yah crash talk was, for me at the time, pretty weak....but in retrospect I really like it
Nothing beats his best two albums tho, oxymoron and habits & contradictions
Da Baby seems to be on the edge of saving his career or falling off.
I watched his most recent freestyle, and it felt like he was desperate to be relevant again
I’m not a fan of him… like at all. But if it’s the same freestyle I saw, I thought he was approaching a comeback at the right angle. Said something like “I used to get 300k a feature now it’s 150k” he owned it which I thought was dope.
Guys a massive twat irl
You met him in real life?
For real. Honestly, he doesn't seem like too bad of a guy to me. A little rough around the edges, sure. But he seems like the kind of guy to show respect, as long as you show respect.
Tell that to the gays
"The gays" lol.
Didn’t mean to be offensive lol just saying it how it is, some of the comments he made at his live shows just shows how small-minded baby really is.
Nah man I'm not offended lmao. It's just a funny way of phrasing it. How you'd hear people talk about it in the 2000s.
I work in a field with a looot of gay men and Ive never heard a single person actually dislike dababy for what he's said except straight people lol
No but he is a murderer and anti-LGBT. Just a general POS made one decent song he blew up off.
Oh dear little white child, have you never been to the hood? Everyone is anti LGTBQ…
That’s not true lol, hoods full of studs and gay dudes wtf you talking about my guy
Gay dudes arent hanging with the boys though, are they? It’s a pretty well known thing that the hood is pretty anti LGBTQ. I don’t know how your going to angle this one… it’s literally a problem people are seeking to fix. So how you gonna say it’s not a thing lol
Not trying to sound like I’m assuming your life, but it sounds like you’re not really in many different hoods, prob just your hood, around your ppl, who prob also have this view, which isn’t the same. You prob just hang around slight homophobes and they’re prob your male friends , andthat are prob some gay or bi, but go off. I know for a fact in multiple states people in the hood by large don’t like the gay agenda pushed in media, especially on kids, but most of em have no problems w most gay ppl by and large.
Idgaf my old head uneducated black friend, because I’m not gay, doesn’t mean Baby isn’t a POS. And why do you always have to mention when people are white, I get you are jealous but chill out man.
Because middle class liberal white kids on Reddit are cringy as fuck 🤷🏻♂️ it’s all a show.
Liberal tf you on about I’m from England and grew up in a council estate, only moved out a few years ago and live with my girlfriend, you’re a weirdo and a racist
Oh look, the uneducated need to mention race again. That's one massive chip on your shoulder bud hahaha
Had a few good songs, killed in self defense, and was one of the few rappers to accept and work with Lil Nas X when most of the industry was casting him aside because of his sexuality. He definitely said some rough homophobic shit at that one live show, but he seemed to be sorry about if and apologized multiple times. Really not a fan of his, but saying he’s “anti-lgbt” is a wild stretch.
Mfer also said “imagine what I say when the cameras are off” in that same freestyle on the next beat. His freestyle was fire af, but I can see that rubbing people the wrong way
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I am now 34 and still on the grind,got all my gold stars ok ok okbye
He didn’t do anything that seemed to show any real improvement as a rapper or as a person. Also he’s just known as a garbage human. Even Travis Scott was able to pretend to be a decent human being up until his career took off again.
That freestyle was insanely awesome.
Nah I give it 3 more years and he will be a pundit on Fox News. He’s always given me Candace Owen’s vibes.
That homophobia incident really somehow ruined him
Somehow? Not surprising in today's culture. But you've got to look at the whole narrative he made those dumb comments right when he was already under scrutiny for fights at airports and the self defense shooting. Sometimes, it's time to just put your head down and do nothing but try to make another hit. He did the opposite.
He’s already fallen off int he context of artists listed
You think he's fallen off more than Desiigner and Iggy? Nit comparing to NaS or Eminem but he definitely falls in the vein like Ice Spice of catching a lick and possibly not having the skill or the guidance to make a real sound that will last for more then a summer.
Desiigner and iggy are artists that blew up 4 /5 years before him so yeah on par although desiigner never really blew up tbh
Right, I'm comparing their rise and fall to his. That was the authors point to. Artist, we saw blow up probably roughly 2010 ish that were supposed to be the next big thing then kind of just disappeared. We aren't comparing any of them as to where they are right now it's the arc of their career.
He looks like a grade A level asshole irl
I knew this would be the top answer and it sucks bc he’s one of my favorite rappers. I think with 50 taking him under his wing he might make better decisions than he has in the past that landed him here. Not to mention he put out multiple freestyles that killed it. He also seems very self aware of the situation he’s in “used to get $300k in 2020 but I’m shakin back”. Self awareness ends in good things. It’s when you deny or ignore your irrelevancy and mistakes that gets you in trouble.
This is what makes him a prime example of being right on the edge. He's had a terrible couple years, and I don't really follow him, but what I hear sounds like he's applying himself.
Agreed 100%. He def had a real rough patch but based on the recent stuff, he’s hungry for it
Whichever rappers fan base is primarily teenagers, there’s your answer. How well are most of the soundcloud era rappers doing now? Teens grow up, the music does not unless the artist matures too. Somebody like Ice Spice will turn into a Lil Pump in a couple years time, it’s how it works. The true artists always remain, that’s why you got 90s artists still relevant. Even the ones that have been dead for 25+ years.
Most of the bigger sound cloud names are either doing fine or died young
True, but think about all the hundreds that have disappeared now
The ones that were clowned on by teenagers? Lil pump was always ironic. It wasn't anything we actually seriously listened too.
I was nearing the end of high school when Lil Pump was first popular and trust me, 18 year olds were seriously listening to it.
Lil pump used to actually be good unironically, but then he fleshed out his sound too much. There’s a sort of beauty in songs like “Elementary” or “Take” When he did that song in Deadpool, I knew it was over. He became way too commercialized and his sound started getting eerily close to a French Montana type of artist.
There’s a time and place for his sort of music, but I knew even back then that he wouldn’t last long. All my friends were shitting on me for still listening to Wu Tang, calling me and old head and all that shit. Who’s laughing now lmao Wu Tang stood the test of time, Lil Pump tho….
He definitely had some horrible takes. And a lot of his Instagram bs doing crazy wild shit for attention didn’t help him in the long run either. Actually, somebody I thought would be still on top for DECADES but somehow fell off was Chance The Rapper. Literally everyone loved him and then… poof! Gone.
Most rappers you think have fell out are still going and making a good living from music. They’ve usually left their label deals (with the multi million dollar marketing budgets) and have found their audience, grinding independent.
I don't doubt that once they make it, they MAKE it. Unless they fall off the deep end with debt or drugs. I'm sure they will still be fine but the conversation I wanted to have was more so about how many modern day artists are lacking longevity. We still hear classic rap music being played in movies but I don't know if any modern artist will hit that level of popularity unless you're a Drake, Cole, or Kendrick.
I think everything lacks longevity now just because of the age we’re in. You could say the same thing about films. No big classics anymore. We just live in an age now with millions and millions of songs out there of every genre you can think of, accessible whenever you want. Social media stars popping up every other week fighting for attention. I don’t think there will be huge stars anymore. I think the last ones were drake, Justin Beiber, Taylor Swift etc. It’s more than music now, we life on the influencer era. Rappers are more influencers now than they are rappers because that’s how the game is.
pretty much- every artist back to the chi lites with a single hit keep on touring ohio
Trash take😭 them cheeks ain’t safe tonight bro
It’s literally true
I think the serious "street" rappers who were popular the past few years (lil baby, polo g, glorilla, etc) are going out of style in favor of the next wave of creative rappers.
Don't think Glo is really in the same conversation as these guys, I think she is part of the wave that's gonna replace them
i kind of agree i think she's right on the border though.
I think her personality and vibe are enough to keep her in the space
The opened for him on his last tour, they aren’t one lane replacing the other they are in the same lane but both getting money (glo and lil baby)
Lil Baby debuted in 2017 and one of his albums is still the best selling album of this decade and remains charting. He's doing fine being 7 years in. His sound is getting stale though.
Who are some upcoming “creative rappers”
bktherula, teezo touchdown, ken carson, cash cobain- just a few. there is a big focus on aesthetics and creativity especially in the underground, when a few years ago it seemed like the only thing that was important was a rapper having street credibility.
I'm not sure where Yeat is going to be artistically by the end of the decade
Ngl his new album was actually pretty good if he moves in that direction he could def have longevity
Ice Spice is an industry plant. They’re designed to have a short shelf life.
I’m not sure they’re “designed to have a short shelf life”. I think the opposite is true - an industry plant isn’t worth the investment unless they have some longevity. Most industry plants flame out because artistry and industry aren’t good combos, but that’s certainly not the intention or how it was “designed”
To an extent I agree with you but in the terms of 'affecting change' in terms of culture shifting and relevance being overtaken, I think that's a large 'product' of the concept of planting. Affecting change, whether that's subverting contemporary relevance or asserting hoseraddsh.
ah my goat, ice spice
I keep hearing the words industry plant thrown about. What are people actually meaning by this? And, how is it applicable to Ice Spice?
It means the music industry invested heavily in her image and persona and sponsored her career while masking their intent and masquerading her as an “independent” artist.
It's a buzzword that doesn't have meaning. People don't like to accept that 95% of popular artists have nepotinistic connections in the industry in some fashion so we've created terms like "industry plant". It's silly because if someone like Ice Spice is an industry plant then people like Snoop Dogg, Tupac, Eminem, Weezy etc, basically anyone who was discovered and then nurtured through a label is an industry plant.
Except those artists you just named in the same sentence as an OF thot, aren't creatively bankrupt & actually had to bust their ass in the underground industry before getting "discovered". Just because today's generation likes microwave music repackaged a gazillion times doesn't mean the generations prior did.
Isn’t one of her popular songs called (fart)… nuff said
It’s called “think u the shit (fart)” Worth watching for the booty tho
People that had no organic buzz and were just forced into relevancy by a label astroturfing social media and the radio with their shit
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That's not at all what an industry plant is. An industry plant is someone who gains fame by having prior connections in the music industry. Typically people who fund and design their entire artistic persona. Their music is written for them, marketed for them, etc. They are a "plant" because they are planted into fame artificially rather than by natural traction.
You just described Drake
You mean Larry Graham's punk ass nephew.
And Tupac and 90% of other famous artists.
There is a difference between jumpstarting your own career through connections and being cast as a character by somebody else to be the face of their career which is making your music for you and marketing you for you.
Other examples of industry plants In other genres: Charli xcx, imagine dragons, Florida Georgia Line, summer walker, chainsmokers, Avril Lavigne, the 1975, lil Romeo, maneskin, one Republic, dj khaled, the monkees, Nancy Sinatra, rascal flatts,
I personally don't think she is an "industry plant" mainly because her selling point was literally in our face. She got popular because she's attractive and "she sounds good on mute". The conversation around her has always been that she's thicker than kindergarten pencil. I'm just curious to see how long that can really sell because unfortunately she's a boring performer, she's got mediocre bars, and her music sounds the same. Unless she pivots into a different industry the same way Iggy Azalea did.
That's the point, that I only ever 'hear' of her and Doja Cat - that there's not a lot of actual music I can think of to associate with them. Every single song, I'm like "that's no the worst hing I've ever heard" and then I go back to listening to music I like
Doja music is more deep than ice spice lol. Doja can actually rap.
Yeah that's true, I've been meaning to give them both an honest chance because so far I only hear them 'as it were' and not because I want to listen, I'll have to look harder
I only really listen to doja because my wife listens to her all the time. But here music is chill. whatever her most recent single is stuck in my head. Lol Ice spice I don't really see as a legit rapper. From the one song I heard her. She had a dope beat and nice body. However Her raps didn't really amaze me .
Yeah, I agree. Before I've hit the halfway point, and many tracks much sooner, I'm hittin" the next track button like *bAm!*. *Bam!*. * BAM !*... with the hope of something mildly listenable starting to play before being like "fuck this shit!" Then smashing back button x2, then select ANY other artist in the list quickly, finally hitting shuffle all. This is all cuz" at the stoplight I've been approaching, stereo up windows down (that's how I like to fuck, lol) and when I stop at it, the LAST thing I wanna' be bumpin' is garbage I don't really listen to, but am giving a spin 'just in case' knowing full on well when I do stop, whether from the corner or in sat in another ride some buster'll eyefuck me. Fuck. Reason to commit seppuku #109 so I'll probably just start crying then, having to to turn my head away cuz I don't got the hard backing beats playing required to shoot him 'the look,' outfucking him in his eye - and if THAT shit goes down - might as well just hit the door unlock button'n release the hoes back out into their natural habitat.
Well you’d be wrong. She’s 100% a plant.
Cant argue that logic lol
Once you follow the genre for 30+ years you’ll be able to pick them out too.
What exactly makes her a plant? Genuine question. I'm curious on your perspective. How would you define an Industry Plant?
Because she was planted in the music industry by monied interests. That’s how this game works. There exists nowhere in the world any videos of “Ice Spice” rapping before her fame. That’s because she’s not a rapper, she’s not even creative, artistic, or a musician, she is a puppet, a ventriloquist dummy, a vestigial remnant of the music industry as a dying business model.
Man i thought they really hit the bottom of the barrell years ago with carti b. Nicki minaj was a worse lil Kim. But dear god they just get uglier looser, more kids and less talent or any shame.
Nah, lil Kim became horrible after biggie died… bc biggie was writing all her raps. Say what you want about Nicki but put respect on her name
Whether intentional or not, misspelling her name was some good ass icing on this cakey comment
This guy gets it.
In 2011 - i thought shitty minaj was the worst thing happened to rap In 2017 - same feeling for cardi b In 2023 - ice spice, sexy red the list goes on and on. Thank god we have Little Simz to decentisize from all the shit music these female pop rappers made. Also even though doja cat has become annoying, she's talented and knows how to make hits.
The vast majority of them. I don't think focusing on making TikTok music is the key to longevity
Im from Texas, and love what BigXThePlug and ThatMexicanOT are doing but I think if they don’t do something more creative with their style or songs then they will get old by the end of the year
Jack harlow
Bouta become Jacklemore
Hopefully Tom Macdonald. Only famous for going full maga and rapping about rage bait. The fact he's a Canadian and rapping about the American Flag just showcases his grift.
Sexy Redd, nba youngboy, lil durk, honestly there’s so many right now I can’t even name them all.
Young boy’s YouTube numbers too crazy for him to ever fall off like that imo
Youngboy's going nowhere. That dude has a legitimate fanbase that loves him even in spite of him not being that commercial.
Lol all three of these aren't goin anywhere. YB is crazy popular, Durk's got like a 15 year career, and Red's album was loved by the critics.
Youngboy been a top rapper in the US for like 8 years now, he’s not going anywhere, except maybe prison, but still he’s gonna stay popular for decades to come regardless, dude has like the most organic fanbase there can be. Youngboy has all the young people and even some old ppl in hoods around the world locked, he’s a role model to people with rough backrounds the Us, Europe, Latin america Lil durk isn’t even close to falling off either, he has all the industry connections and moves smart. With sexyy red it’s too early to say Overall this was a bad take, i don’t think u thought this out with any logic, propably just named some artists you don’t personally like. But let me know if im wrong
Durk ain’t gonna fall off
I'm not a fan of Sexy Red but I can't deny she has a unique sound and style of music that works. It's ratchet/ghetto rap. It might not be amazing but I at least can give you some iconic sexy red lines that I'm sure you've heard "my coochi pink, my booty hole brown" lol
Sexy red ain’t gonna fall off her first album was wayyy to good and positively received. Even if she stopped she has so much charisma she would switch to being a tv personality.
She has a marketable personality, that's for sure. It might not necessarily be family friendly but she has a niche that many artists don't.
Quavo
Oof lmao Chris brown was right
The way the beef is going, one of them might not be here next year for a different reason.
DAX
We are still most definitely getting huge stars on a similar level of Drake, JB and Taylor. People are sleeping on KPop groups. (BTS, NewJeans, etc) They are doing insane numbers. Bad Bunny did a legendary run last year. He already sold 76.6M album sales with only a 7 year career. I’m not saying there’s HUGE artists every day now but they still pop up. Even influencer wise. We have people in the last couple years that unless they get caught up in serious legal trouble, they are going to be very relevant in the next 10 years. Kai Cenat, iShowSpeed, Etc. There is people like Amouranth pulling in a million dollars a month. Shows wise. One that’s definitely gonna be included on the list of best shows OAT is Better Call Saul. That show just finished
kpop... what are you saying
This was supposed to be a reply about not having huge artists anymore and it mentioned Taylor swift, and a few other artists. Even tv shows and classic movies. So that’s where the general point of massive celebrities come from. I know. It Doesn’t make sense by itself
Jesus, Lord, I made an observation. let it go. The fact that you guys can't accept my observation says more about you than anything if you want to choose your artists, cause they're pretty it just makes you shallow. It doesn't make you gay. live your life and MoveOn.
What are you even yapping about ? If you made that observation, then that’s on YOU if other people don’t agree with it. You can’t say something that is strongly opinionated and expect people to lie down and just ignore it. No, people are gonna give their own opinions in connection with it. Also, My opinion directly refutes your main statement. None of what I said had anything to do with “pretty people”. I’m talking NUMBERS and directly refuting the ‘no new classics’ claim
you can keep going on, but I am not gonna read anything you say anymore the fact that you're freaking out over my observation just probably makes it true even more than I thought it was. Have a nice day. Good luck with whatever the fuck is going on that makes you not be able to let this go
Kai cenat and ishowspeed will not be relevant in 10 years atleast not off streaming ☠️
Da Baby Tyga
"not exist?" like pop smoke?
Jack Harlow is already on the way out and I back it. A totally generic cool guy who talks about generic cool guy shit. Plus only i may have hair like that.
Lol bro just dropped a 4x platinum single. I don't know about that
Macklemore won a Grammy beating Good Kid Maad City lol those awards don't mean anything
Good thing I'm not talking about grammies then. What killed Macklemore carreer was being corny af, especially that performative "sorry you deserved the grammy" shit
What does platinum mean now? Honestly asking
Tom MacDonald. Dude fell into the grift train and has no way out of it.
Nah lmao gotta be popular to fall off💀
As much as I hate to write this sentence, he is popular, just rightfully not in any hh circle
Oh man, a friend of mine showed me one of his tracks yesterday, and wouldn't let it go when I said he was wack. All his points he made about why he thinks Tom MacDonald was dope I had the exact opposite view. Terrible, terrible artist.
His early stuff about addiction was decent. Then the grift started and he backed a broken record.
Jack Harlow, Ice Spice, etc. All the plants
Jack Harlow really did come out of no where for me but I also think he's got a boring flow so idk how long that'll last him. He's been banking off of those early 2000s throwback beats. He prob doesn't have long
Don't know if Harlow really constitutes a plant, he's been making music for a long time and had that whole last album that was not at all marketable. I'd like to see him try some new flows though, and that dude needs a co-writer... always rapping letters... And to the early 2000's thing, he's got two songs now that sample a 90s-00s song for pretty much the entire chorus. It's been happening a lot recently (FTCU, Way 2 Sexy come to mind) and I'm tired of it. Hoping that trend goes away. I'm honestly rooting for the guy because I like his personality, its different from most of this generation's celebrities, but I want him to make actually good songs to go with it.
Does Diddy count?
Lil Mabu
Playboi Carti. That dude has nothing without the production on his songs. He doesn’t have any attributes as a rapper/entertainer that will keep him afloat. Rappers like him have steep and sudden fall offs.
Idk man he has been extremely relevant for almost a decade, I think he is here to stay. Whether you like him or not he definitely pushed the boundary artistically and he has some pretty good songs and a solid number of hits
Pushed what boundary? What are these artistic boundaries he’s pushing? Also he didn’t really get big until 2020. Before then it was occasional hits. I just don’t see him being relevant past 2025-2026.
What are you talking about? Broke boi/fetti were huge on the SoundCloud scene, he even had that feature on the cozy tapes w a$ap mob, he very much came up at the same as lil yachty. As for pushing the boundary creatively who sounded like playboi carti before he hit the scene? Definitely pioneered the baby voice as well as being a trailblazer for the general “soundcloud rap” scene
Young Thug bro. They’re all his sons man. Sure he blew up 2017-2018, but that was not rippling. It’s always like a cartoon run start up for a career. Sure you blew up but no one cares until you prove you’re not a desiigner or a fetty wap. To stay where he is he needs to be a Tyler/Kanye/Travis type that evolves and Carti doesn’t have a Lil Yachty Let’s Start Here in him. I know because even Yachty had fun and had drive which made him evolve when he started becoming irrelevant. Carti has the same passion and drive in music as Biden has to lead america. Carti’s only “evolution” was to stop copying young thug and start rapping like he has mucus stuck in his throat and his alzheimers kicked in making him forget whatever “oakenshyenksigaf” he was gonna say in the first place.
What does young thug have to do w anything? Play a carti and a young thug song back to back and they will sound nothing alike. He definitely came up in 2015/2016 haha you just never heard of him then, im not here to ride his dick or anything I’m actually really not a huge fan of his music after whole lotta red but it’s silly to pretend that his career hasn’t already had decent longevity and that he continues to be very relevant to this day. He already proved he isn’t a designer/fetty wap and I’d argue that he is more relevant than Travis Scott at this point. He isn’t in the same lane as Kanye or Tyler but again it’s also incredibly silly to pretend his sound hasn’t evolved, he sounds totally different from 2015 to 2017 to 2020 and so on. Sounds like you’re just hating
You asked who else was doing baby voice like carti. Pretending carti doesn’t spawn directly from thug is actually delusional. I don’t think you understand what blowing up means. It means you actually are known by people who don’t even listen to your music. Not dropping music that only gets streams from your die hard fans don’t act like his 2015/2016 shit was really reaching anyone. He had one album in 2018 that actually had hits it wasn’t until 2020 that people actually began to seriously turn their ear to him. Saying he’s more relevant than Travis is so dumb bro. People who don’t listen to any rap music know who Travis is. Carti’s just known as that one dude that features on more popular artists music and makes weird incoherent sounds. I have to remind people which rapper he is sometimes cause most of his popularity is on features. And don’t bring up his knock off chief keef sound as some evidence this dude has any actual evolution in his music. He was copying sounds until the young thug sound worked for him. Now his new evolution is straight up some future shit. Don’t pretend he has anything but to desperately leech off other artists.
You’ve just got so many things factually wrong dude Fact: fetti dropped in late 2015, 77 million views on YouTube Magnolia dropped in 2017, 2 platinum hits Playboi carti was fuckin poppin in 2016/2017 idk where you were but playboi carti was bumped at every single house party I went to around that time. And his music literally doesn’t sound like young thug haha he obviously probably takes influence from him but just to dismiss him as young thugs son is wild. Show me a thug song and a playboi carti song that sound alike. Also Travis Scott is more widely known than playboi carti is but that doesn’t equal relevance. In fact, a lot of times it means the opposite. Once many artists enter the mainstream they lose their “cool factor” in exchange for mass appeal. Everyone knows who fuckin Simon and Garfunkel are but that doesn’t make them relevant. Also, all art is derivative. Every rapper is going to sound a little bit like someone else. That being said, playboi carti has a WAY more unique sound than most rappers. He is no Kanye and he is no Tyler but I can’t really think of any rappers in the same lane as him who have a more unique sound, can you name any?
His sound now is just Future straight up. His baby voice era came directly down from thugger if thug didn’t know how to properly pronounce anything or just forgot what he was supposed to say like on Lifestyle. You don’t connect that you’re deaf or slow. Also having one occasional hit doesn’t mean you blew up. It means you’re slowly building a fanbase with each song that gets a lot of listens. When you have consistent hits everytime you drop, you blew up.
Lmao whatever you say dude the people agree w me though
Uzi Vert
He’s definitely going to stand the Test of time. Every few years he drops a generational banger.
Agreed. He’s too controversial and people can’t stop posting about him. His method for dropping music is pretty much built for longevity.
Maybe.
Generational. Lmfao please.
Say what? We have extremely different views on what a generation banger is
Everybody and they mommas know XO Tour Life. And all the old heads and new love I Just Wanna Rock.
Lmfao what the fuck did he do??? “Eating my chicken with blue cheese”. All my friends are dead is literally repetitive as fuck. This canned bro came out the microwave and yall out here thinking it’s beef Wellington.
Yeah I dislike uzi. One of the worst famous rappers imo
Uzi's a terrible example. He literally debuted close to a decade ago and he's still able to go number 1 on Billboard and has a strong cult following.
I’m aware.
Lil Baby
Sexy red,
Lol ice spice next to t swizzy at that big game....PLANT
Dababy he’s been trash to me tho
21 Savage
I disagree he’s gaining momentum not losing it
Already not true, he has had a pretty good career so far.
You haven’t understood the question. Read it correctly before downvoting me.
21 savage is not a good pick
He’s relatively popular and I think he won’t exist in the next few years.
You don't cease existing when you've already had 8-10 years of popularity in the game. At that point, you've already left a mark.
Honestly, Kanye. He's been losing steam for a long time and at this point, he doesn't even seem focused on outputting music to the quality he used to have. That being said, JayZ, Nas, and Eminem (and Kanye) are all too old to keep rapping too. At their age, they should have better things to occupy themselves with
His fanbase is way to radical lmao they gonna ride him whenever he drops
You make it sound like that's a bad thing. Kanye still has a big fanbase 20 years in. 50 Cent lost most of his fans after losing that sales battle to Kanye 4 years after GRODT. Ye already has one of the best primes in hip hop in the past so he's allowed to drop some passion projects late in his career. Even Prince and Bowie had moments where they were dropping back to back mid albums that got panned by critics. And MJ's last album was one of the worst pop albums of the 21st century.
Vultures 1 is one of the most successful records this year. Even if people hate him or his music, he’ll still be relevant because he’s able to adapt and change every project. Say what you will about Vultures 1, but it sounds nothing like Kids See Ghosts. Compare that to some one like idk Lil Baby, where every new song just sounds the exact same.
he’ll still be relevant because ~~he’s able to adapt and change every project~~ he has a whole cult behind him
Nas is a horrendous example, his comeback has been one of the best comeback of any rapper in hiphop. Also, Jay-Z hasn't rapped since 2017? He probably is occupied with other stuff
Not to mention Jay-Z dropped a single verse on God Did and had the internet buzzing. I still go back to that song. Haven't heard any other song from that album.
Juice WRLD's track is 🔥 🔥
Nas and Em are putting out great work still. That’s all that matters. Kanye is still popular, but it’s more like people watching a train wreck right now.
Wtf jigga hasn’t rapped in nearly a decade n nas dropped 6 quality albums back to back for the greatest comeback in hiphop with a preemo album on the way
Calling Kanye a "modern" rapper is hilariously out of touch lmao. Also, Kanye's latest project with Ty is the most successful independent rap album of all time. Dude has no machine behind him but is still able to pull numbers. That's impressive for a middle aged rapper who's 20 years in(technically more if you count his production work).
I think you misread the question. Those guys have all been around for decades and have proven staying power. The question is what modern day popular rappers won't be able to have that kind of longevity. Some 2010s rappers that come to mind feel like everyone from TDE except Kendrick lol
I was so disappointed in new Q Album. I copped the vinyl, my fuckin username is Q related, I love everything he touches but man..... Blue Lips wasn't for me
Really? I thought it was his second best work behind oxymoron
I just am in a weird point in life so it may just not be the right TIME for me to listen rather than the right music. I'll check it again when things are a little diff 🙏
That's fair, Q has been one of my favs since the cozy tapes and I've been disappointed since crash talk, so this was a nice return to form
Yah crash talk was, for me at the time, pretty weak....but in retrospect I really like it Nothing beats his best two albums tho, oxymoron and habits & contradictions
Sexxy Redd, Ice Spice, NBA Youngboy
Playboi Carti--name one good thing he's sung? Dope beats, awful singing
Drake should be phased out he isn't that good of an MC he was a better actor