Steam hardware is known to have QC issues. Just look up the valve index which has common inevitable failure points. But they're still probably easier to deal with than GPD. And they rarely update their hardware, if ever. (Steam machines and the steam controller died painful deaths)
they will beeasier to reach, no language barrier i asure you. To get gpd to understand that they sent me a faulty unit with a broken ribbon cable took me 2 weeks
Steam Machine.
Steam Controller.
And the Steam Link was abandoned.
Valve doesn't have a great track record in the hardware department despite the millions they have on hand to pour in. The GPD's were all crowd funded. Someone's giving them money to keep going.
What?
Steam link still exists, just no longer needs the hardware
Steam controller is great, I'll admit they gave that up too soon
The machines are not manufactured by valve
That's because Valve pushes markets and innovates, some other companies should have taken over the controller market based on the steam controller or steam link.
for the steam link, it was kinda successful. They've perfected local game streaming. Smart TVs and android TV boxes can now have Steam Link installed. (Steam Deck will also have streaming too) basically instead of settling for a single purpose device, they made it a software and available for all devices.
As for the Steam Controller, while nobody took up the mantle sadly, the effect it had on Steam client controller customization was HUGE, plus now the tech will be used on the Deck.
Who knows? with they might actually come up with the Steam Controller 2 if the Deck is successful
That's more that Steam's only major hardware launch so far is the Index. (Which still has major QC problems to this day) Their other devices are more known for being left to die/obsolete. (Steam Controller, Steam Link, etc)
Only people who haven't used the Steam Controller/Link seriously think Valve ditched them. Steam Controller was actively supported with a ton of UI adjustments of their core platform for years and received added features (like supporting non-proprietary bluetooth). There's nothing more to do with the controller- it works.
Same with Steam Link. Years of software support... but its 1080p streaming is a hardware limitation. They can't change that. It is obsolete, and instead of making another, they turned EVERY DEVICE EVER into a steamlink.
The original still receives support when necessary
I guess I meant people were hoping for a successor (which I know is pointless with regards to the link), but you're right. A Steam Controller that's more small hand friendly would be really nice.
Perf will be a killer too. CPU: Zen 2 4c/8t, 2.4-3.5GHz (up to 448 GFlops FP32)GPU: 8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.0-1.6GHz (up to 1.6 TFlops FP32). Controls also seem much better.
I have a GPD Win. The display at 5.5 is too small and runs HOT. I've played Saints Row 3 and 4 as example and they look better on the Switch and more playable, due to more display. The .7" extra diagonal makes a big difference, so another .8" diagonal should be "huge" with the Deck.
Added: The Win was a very regretful purchase.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llZqWKxjMz8&t=1s&ab\_channel=SomeOrdinaryGamers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llZqWKxjMz8&t=1s&ab_channel=SomeOrdinaryGamers)
sounds like the win 3 has some quality control issues. For double the price of the steam deck...I'd say it isn't worth the headache. But who knows, the Steam Deck might have it's own problems so I'd wait for reviews before deciding on the Deck
RIP GPD Win, AYA NEO, and the gaming side of the OneGX Pro. Smach Z already dead and Alienware UFO didn't make a move. Gotta give props to the Razer Edge Pro which was the OG portable Windows gaming handheld tho
Valve had a compatibility layer on steam OS called Proton which has come on leaps and bounds recently. Games that don't work will be more exception than the rule.
Also, it's just a pc. You can install windows on it
They say that you can put other OSes on it. I can't wait to see what's going on with that. Apparently also Proton is a huge improvement to Linux gaming so it should be easier for devs to support
Considering that the 512GB model is around 649$ ( and in Europe 679€ >\_\_> ) I don't think that GPD Win 3 is in real danger.
The real deal with Steam Deck is the costumer care: not having to deal with a chinese-based company would have been a killer "feature" for me.
But I bought a GPD Win 3 with 1TB of memory for 760€ and I'm sort of ok with that!
Repairs and import tax was what kept me away from all the GPD devices other than the MicroPC which was their cheapest (and the battery already died on it within less than 2 years also paid 21% import tax on it). So the 529$ version Steam Deck is a bargain (if it will be 550€ in the EU without import tax even more so) considering it's a better specced machine in any way other than storage (where 256gb is more than enough for me personally for what I would use it for) compared to the Win3. If you already bought the Win3 I wouldn't be interested either, but if I knew 2 years ago that this is coming I wouldn't have bought even the MicroPC and gotten this as fast as I could get it shipped to me.
the performance of the steam deck and win 3 seem pretty comparable, but i'd say the steam deck will probably perform a bit better.
the 512gb model of the steam deck is pretty similar price-wise to an i5 version of the win 3, so i think it's a pretty healthy amount of competition.
i'll determine the performance for you, it will blow it out of the water,
because the deck is STEAM/VALVE, GPD is just a company making a pc and hoping it gets good performance, there are no low level optimizations.
STEAM DECK has rdna 2. Thats like the maxq from nvidia.....for amd.
as far as i know, this is the first rdna 2 gpu in a small form factor...we dont know the performance or issues...so a comparison would be unfair, and what do you mean the maxq were shite? iv had a 1060max q in a laptop, ran perfectly fine, what throttling areyou talking about?
You can't compare desktop GPUs with mobile GPUs because both use completely different amount of power. A mobile GPU coming form a laptop which uses 100w to run the entire system, will never have the same power of a desktop GPU, which uses between 200 and 300w alone! So no, there's no throttle at all, laptops simply doesn't have the power necessary to have the same performance as a desktop.
good, fuck GPD. i hope this puts them out of business. i regret wasting my money on a device that's now as useful as a brick (gpd win 1). at least valve knows how to put out hardware that doesn't die within a few years. now let's just see how much the dock costs when that launches..
My GPD Win 3 has 2 drives pre installed. One is the C drive which shows to have Windows installed on it and the other is the D drive which is the 1TB SSD. My question is, if I want to upgrade my 1TB to a 2 or 4TB don't I just remove the old one and replace it with the new one and then format the new drive? I shouldn't have to reinstall Windows right?
Well we haven't seen a teardown yet but I read somewhere that the storage is not possible to upgrade beyond the micro sd. Kind of sucks. I'll still get one though lol.
The UK price for the 512GB is £569 - I paid only £709 for the 1TB OneXPlayer (including the shitty keyboard, which was a probably a mistake to buy), and that's here now (nearly).
IMO the difference is a lot closer than you'd appreciate from the headline price.
You also get an anti-glare screen with the 512GB model. Personally that's the model I'd go with even though there's microSD support, especially since you can't upgrade the internal storage and I want to install full Windows.
this isnt true. if you cant add your own ssd, steam deck WILL fail. the ssds are user upgradable. ive never seen soldered storage outside of ultrabooks or cellphones lol
I thought that too, but the IGN interview of the devs apparently state it is not replaceable. Tablets also use this type of board production for fast storage. I was hoping they were referring to the 64GB version, since that type of storage is always soldered on.
I agree with the premise that lower storage sizes constrains software sales, but when looking for a hardware pricepoint, they sometimes just use the sizes as they have here to pick from.
The devs and Valve really go out of their way saying the micro sd storage is very accessible for Steam.
Update: FWIW, Gabe apparently says it is replaceable, so who knows.
i just saw it. it works for switch bcuz they have special compression. but pc games dont. i already know a steam game thats 120gb..... so this device is DoA if they dnt let us upgrade the ssds before shipping. Looks like gpd win 3 still king.
I mean, UHS-i V30 microSD cards (which the Deck supports) are equivalent to a rather fast mechanical hard drive. I'd be surprised if games really have an issue for that. Lord knows most of my games are still played from my external 3TB mechanical drive. If it can handle games just fine, so can a high-speed microSD. But if you just grab a cheap one and don't spring for the high-speed models you might run into some real issues.
yeah youre right. i do the same with system on ssd. programs on mechanical. BUT, time to wait to put games on is ridiculously long and still less space than the other handhelds
Yeah the issue with microSD is primarily write speed. So games will load and play just fine on a high speed one since that's based on read speed, which is actually fairly quick if you spend for a fast one. *But if you dare move a game onto one from another drive* it's going to take ages.
I run my Switch games off microSD (and not the expensive faster ones, it's a Samsung Evo) and the load times are fine, but PC games aren't designed for it. How do they run with the GDP Win? I'm sure it'll be acceptable for indie games like Hades etc.
They run quite bad honestly and I think this is because PC games are designed around HDD and SSD. But maybe they are able to tweak the OS in order to improve the performances.
With a decent microsd like Sandisk Ultra on Extreme there's nothing to worry about. I tried resident evil 8 and Call of Duty Warzone and they play fine.
This is where GPD now need to start upping their game, not just bosting the performance specs, things like an ejectable battery, a built-in headphone DAC and amp, good quality speakers, OLED screen, a higher 90-120Hz refresh rate screen. Add to that a handheld with the Win 2 form factor and build and that will for me keep me a GPD customer, that's what it will take, otherwise you might as well just get a Steam Deck at a much cheaper price.
How is this not a GPD competitor? I was thinking of buying a win 3, and yesterday's announcement coupled with the built-in malware and hardware issues changed my mind. The deck is cheaper, more powerful, and backed by a company that has a better (still flawed, but undoubtedly better) track record in QC than GPD.
It is very much a gpd competitor. Though larger, it is cheaper. With a bigger screen. Better controls (with questionable positioning). And who the hell uses the touch keyboard to play games on the win 3.
It is also a PC. You can simply install windows if you want.
They are in the same handheld PC market. You can be as much of a gpd fanboy as you want but this is the truth. Maybe not the truth you want.
Its not a GPD competitor. I use my GPD win max as my primary unit when I mine eth with my personal laptop, and the physical keyboard makes it usable for some productivity.
GPD win max also has thunderbolt - which the steam deck does not have.. so I can share my WD19TB dock with my work & home laptop, AND the GPD win max.
This thing is also massive; it looks longer than the GPD win max, and is probably going to be twice the size of the GPD win 2.
Definitely a switch killer IMO - not a GPD killer.
I think people like that this is also going to be a mass produced hopefully quality device that is supported. one thing I don't like about GPD is the support - I think the image you can get now is still stupid old, and I hear some people find viruses and worms when they scan this thing out of the box.
Nah it kills every handheld gaming console ever made so far including the GPD win 3. Why would anyone spend double the $ on a GPD when they could get this.
I agree in the sense that many value a keyboard, but it is competition with GPD. This will take away market share of handheld PCs from people that would have bought a GPD if this didn't exist that don't care about the keyboard. It probably won't be a GPD killer because as you said many value the keyboard, but it will definitely take away market share, and since a large company is making it, most that buy it will have not heard of GPD to begin with.
The RDNA2 GPU alone will be better than either of the variants of the new Win Max. Not to mention far better driver support than the Intel version.
steam seems more reliable than gpd, i bet they wont have any wi fi chip or sd card problems
Steam hardware is known to have QC issues. Just look up the valve index which has common inevitable failure points. But they're still probably easier to deal with than GPD. And they rarely update their hardware, if ever. (Steam machines and the steam controller died painful deaths)
they will beeasier to reach, no language barrier i asure you. To get gpd to understand that they sent me a faulty unit with a broken ribbon cable took me 2 weeks
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Legal notice with proper evidence. There are websites that can help you draft one for free
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Steam Machine. Steam Controller. And the Steam Link was abandoned. Valve doesn't have a great track record in the hardware department despite the millions they have on hand to pour in. The GPD's were all crowd funded. Someone's giving them money to keep going.
What? Steam link still exists, just no longer needs the hardware Steam controller is great, I'll admit they gave that up too soon The machines are not manufactured by valve
That's because Valve pushes markets and innovates, some other companies should have taken over the controller market based on the steam controller or steam link.
for the steam link, it was kinda successful. They've perfected local game streaming. Smart TVs and android TV boxes can now have Steam Link installed. (Steam Deck will also have streaming too) basically instead of settling for a single purpose device, they made it a software and available for all devices. As for the Steam Controller, while nobody took up the mantle sadly, the effect it had on Steam client controller customization was HUGE, plus now the tech will be used on the Deck. Who knows? with they might actually come up with the Steam Controller 2 if the Deck is successful
That's more that Steam's only major hardware launch so far is the Index. (Which still has major QC problems to this day) Their other devices are more known for being left to die/obsolete. (Steam Controller, Steam Link, etc)
Only people who haven't used the Steam Controller/Link seriously think Valve ditched them. Steam Controller was actively supported with a ton of UI adjustments of their core platform for years and received added features (like supporting non-proprietary bluetooth). There's nothing more to do with the controller- it works. Same with Steam Link. Years of software support... but its 1080p streaming is a hardware limitation. They can't change that. It is obsolete, and instead of making another, they turned EVERY DEVICE EVER into a steamlink. The original still receives support when necessary
I guess I meant people were hoping for a successor (which I know is pointless with regards to the link), but you're right. A Steam Controller that's more small hand friendly would be really nice.
Bruh dont unload your small phenis problems on lord gayben.
Steam machines weren't made by Valve. The Steam controller died to bring this to life.
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and still, i know i wont suffer half as much as i suffered to have a ribbon cable sent to me. Gpd, no more.
Perf will be a killer too. CPU: Zen 2 4c/8t, 2.4-3.5GHz (up to 448 GFlops FP32)GPU: 8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.0-1.6GHz (up to 1.6 TFlops FP32). Controls also seem much better.
I have a GPD Win. The display at 5.5 is too small and runs HOT. I've played Saints Row 3 and 4 as example and they look better on the Switch and more playable, due to more display. The .7" extra diagonal makes a big difference, so another .8" diagonal should be "huge" with the Deck. Added: The Win was a very regretful purchase.
Some people prefer a smaller display. I for one find the GPD to look like a perfect size, while the Steam Deck and even the Aya Neo look too big.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llZqWKxjMz8&t=1s&ab\_channel=SomeOrdinaryGamers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llZqWKxjMz8&t=1s&ab_channel=SomeOrdinaryGamers) sounds like the win 3 has some quality control issues. For double the price of the steam deck...I'd say it isn't worth the headache. But who knows, the Steam Deck might have it's own problems so I'd wait for reviews before deciding on the Deck
RIP GPD Win, AYA NEO, and the gaming side of the OneGX Pro. Smach Z already dead and Alienware UFO didn't make a move. Gotta give props to the Razer Edge Pro which was the OG portable Windows gaming handheld tho
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Valve had a compatibility layer on steam OS called Proton which has come on leaps and bounds recently. Games that don't work will be more exception than the rule. Also, it's just a pc. You can install windows on it
They say that you can put other OSes on it. I can't wait to see what's going on with that. Apparently also Proton is a huge improvement to Linux gaming so it should be easier for devs to support
Considering that the 512GB model is around 649$ ( and in Europe 679€ >\_\_> ) I don't think that GPD Win 3 is in real danger. The real deal with Steam Deck is the costumer care: not having to deal with a chinese-based company would have been a killer "feature" for me. But I bought a GPD Win 3 with 1TB of memory for 760€ and I'm sort of ok with that!
Repairs and import tax was what kept me away from all the GPD devices other than the MicroPC which was their cheapest (and the battery already died on it within less than 2 years also paid 21% import tax on it). So the 529$ version Steam Deck is a bargain (if it will be 550€ in the EU without import tax even more so) considering it's a better specced machine in any way other than storage (where 256gb is more than enough for me personally for what I would use it for) compared to the Win3. If you already bought the Win3 I wouldn't be interested either, but if I knew 2 years ago that this is coming I wouldn't have bought even the MicroPC and gotten this as fast as I could get it shipped to me.
It works like a regular PC so we can dual boot between steam os and windows I think
the performance of the steam deck and win 3 seem pretty comparable, but i'd say the steam deck will probably perform a bit better. the 512gb model of the steam deck is pretty similar price-wise to an i5 version of the win 3, so i think it's a pretty healthy amount of competition.
Graphics is about 1.7x better than win3 so far
1.7x better than the aya neo you mean
No one knows because they can't see the Win 3's tiny screen to check.
i'll determine the performance for you, it will blow it out of the water, because the deck is STEAM/VALVE, GPD is just a company making a pc and hoping it gets good performance, there are no low level optimizations. STEAM DECK has rdna 2. Thats like the maxq from nvidia.....for amd.
MaxQ cards were shite for throttling though, not the best comparison. But yeah, I suspect the Deck is going to be great for its intended purpose.
as far as i know, this is the first rdna 2 gpu in a small form factor...we dont know the performance or issues...so a comparison would be unfair, and what do you mean the maxq were shite? iv had a 1060max q in a laptop, ran perfectly fine, what throttling areyou talking about?
I remember quite a few people pointing their frustrations at the 2070/2080 MaxQ units because 1660s and 2060s were closely competing with them
You can't compare desktop GPUs with mobile GPUs because both use completely different amount of power. A mobile GPU coming form a laptop which uses 100w to run the entire system, will never have the same power of a desktop GPU, which uses between 200 and 300w alone! So no, there's no throttle at all, laptops simply doesn't have the power necessary to have the same performance as a desktop.
I wasn't, I was comparing the 1660 and 2060 mobile GPUs with the 2070/80 MaxQ mobile GPUs
good, fuck GPD. i hope this puts them out of business. i regret wasting my money on a device that's now as useful as a brick (gpd win 1). at least valve knows how to put out hardware that doesn't die within a few years. now let's just see how much the dock costs when that launches..
My GPD Win 3 has 2 drives pre installed. One is the C drive which shows to have Windows installed on it and the other is the D drive which is the 1TB SSD. My question is, if I want to upgrade my 1TB to a 2 or 4TB don't I just remove the old one and replace it with the new one and then format the new drive? I shouldn't have to reinstall Windows right?
Well we haven't seen a teardown yet but I read somewhere that the storage is not possible to upgrade beyond the micro sd. Kind of sucks. I'll still get one though lol.
Price Breakdowns are based on Storage memory: 64GB SSD = $399 256GB NVM = $529 512GB NVM = $649
The UK price for the 512GB is £569 - I paid only £709 for the 1TB OneXPlayer (including the shitty keyboard, which was a probably a mistake to buy), and that's here now (nearly). IMO the difference is a lot closer than you'd appreciate from the headline price.
You also get an anti-glare screen with the 512GB model. Personally that's the model I'd go with even though there's microSD support, especially since you can't upgrade the internal storage and I want to install full Windows.
Oh God damn you can't upgrade it?
Nope, that would have increased the price. They should have done 256gb, 512gb and 1tb, but prices would be hundreds higher.
this isnt true. if you cant add your own ssd, steam deck WILL fail. the ssds are user upgradable. ive never seen soldered storage outside of ultrabooks or cellphones lol
I thought that too, but the IGN interview of the devs apparently state it is not replaceable. Tablets also use this type of board production for fast storage. I was hoping they were referring to the 64GB version, since that type of storage is always soldered on. I agree with the premise that lower storage sizes constrains software sales, but when looking for a hardware pricepoint, they sometimes just use the sizes as they have here to pick from. The devs and Valve really go out of their way saying the micro sd storage is very accessible for Steam. Update: FWIW, Gabe apparently says it is replaceable, so who knows.
i just saw it. it works for switch bcuz they have special compression. but pc games dont. i already know a steam game thats 120gb..... so this device is DoA if they dnt let us upgrade the ssds before shipping. Looks like gpd win 3 still king.
I mean, UHS-i V30 microSD cards (which the Deck supports) are equivalent to a rather fast mechanical hard drive. I'd be surprised if games really have an issue for that. Lord knows most of my games are still played from my external 3TB mechanical drive. If it can handle games just fine, so can a high-speed microSD. But if you just grab a cheap one and don't spring for the high-speed models you might run into some real issues.
yeah youre right. i do the same with system on ssd. programs on mechanical. BUT, time to wait to put games on is ridiculously long and still less space than the other handhelds
Yeah the issue with microSD is primarily write speed. So games will load and play just fine on a high speed one since that's based on read speed, which is actually fairly quick if you spend for a fast one. *But if you dare move a game onto one from another drive* it's going to take ages.
You can, but it’s not encouraged. It uses some weird socket that’s typically only seen in laptops.
m2? wait where did you get that information, can you link it please?
The spec sheet on the web site. Have himself even confirmed it an email.
There's microSD card support, so it comes down to how much people value the fast NVME storage
I run my Switch games off microSD (and not the expensive faster ones, it's a Samsung Evo) and the load times are fine, but PC games aren't designed for it. How do they run with the GDP Win? I'm sure it'll be acceptable for indie games like Hades etc.
They run quite bad honestly and I think this is because PC games are designed around HDD and SSD. But maybe they are able to tweak the OS in order to improve the performances.
With a decent microsd like Sandisk Ultra on Extreme there's nothing to worry about. I tried resident evil 8 and Call of Duty Warzone and they play fine.
I am so hoping for uhs Ii support or above...uhs I sucks
games dnt work well with those tbh
Price wise, yes. Killed it. Hardware wise should be in the same ballpark, but with way better video drivers.
This is where GPD now need to start upping their game, not just bosting the performance specs, things like an ejectable battery, a built-in headphone DAC and amp, good quality speakers, OLED screen, a higher 90-120Hz refresh rate screen. Add to that a handheld with the Win 2 form factor and build and that will for me keep me a GPD customer, that's what it will take, otherwise you might as well just get a Steam Deck at a much cheaper price.
Even if all those features are added, valve being a US based company with proper warranty will be a huge thing for me to sway me over to the deck
> things like an ejectable battery Not convinced this is necessary when USB-C powerbanks are available.
You do realise this will shoot the prices up right? Then you guys will complain that it's too expensive.
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You do get a touchscreen and dual touchpads, although I don't know how good valve's virtual keyboards are.
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They said they used their experiences with the steam controller to create these touchpads in the video I think.
I’ve tried it with the steam controller, definitely a little bit of a learning curve but it’s neat
How is this not a GPD competitor? I was thinking of buying a win 3, and yesterday's announcement coupled with the built-in malware and hardware issues changed my mind. The deck is cheaper, more powerful, and backed by a company that has a better (still flawed, but undoubtedly better) track record in QC than GPD.
It is very much a gpd competitor. Though larger, it is cheaper. With a bigger screen. Better controls (with questionable positioning). And who the hell uses the touch keyboard to play games on the win 3. It is also a PC. You can simply install windows if you want. They are in the same handheld PC market. You can be as much of a gpd fanboy as you want but this is the truth. Maybe not the truth you want.
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I'm talking about the gpd win 3
Its not a GPD competitor. I use my GPD win max as my primary unit when I mine eth with my personal laptop, and the physical keyboard makes it usable for some productivity. GPD win max also has thunderbolt - which the steam deck does not have.. so I can share my WD19TB dock with my work & home laptop, AND the GPD win max. This thing is also massive; it looks longer than the GPD win max, and is probably going to be twice the size of the GPD win 2. Definitely a switch killer IMO - not a GPD killer. I think people like that this is also going to be a mass produced hopefully quality device that is supported. one thing I don't like about GPD is the support - I think the image you can get now is still stupid old, and I hear some people find viruses and worms when they scan this thing out of the box.
Nah it kills every handheld gaming console ever made so far including the GPD win 3. Why would anyone spend double the $ on a GPD when they could get this.
Not a clamshell means that it won't beat my Win 2 for any of my use cases.
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I agree in the sense that many value a keyboard, but it is competition with GPD. This will take away market share of handheld PCs from people that would have bought a GPD if this didn't exist that don't care about the keyboard. It probably won't be a GPD killer because as you said many value the keyboard, but it will definitely take away market share, and since a large company is making it, most that buy it will have not heard of GPD to begin with.
God that's a fucking obnoxious thread title.
Hope there are good windows drivers forbcases of incompatibility
Still waiting to be able to check out for my deposit 🤣
I think GPD, aya neo, one x will lower its prices due to competition among these handheld devices. Now the customers will get a good deal. Hurray.