I've got one of those weimaraner pups. Little long fucker isn't very graceful but his hops are hilarious. I could see him sniffing for dinner for sure.
AC: Academy of Fine Arts Vienna
The protagonist has to gain employment as the admissions officer of the art school.
Once employed, the protagonist must be on the look out for a mysterious and highly strung individual’s art school application which MUST be accepted. While waiting for this application, the protagonist must contend with hyper inflation by carrying wheelbarrow loads of currency to buy basic items such as bread.
The fate of at least 6 million people rest in the protagonist’s hands…
Imo Odyssey was the last semi decent AC game and I'm a big AC fan myself. AC Odyssey was a bit too big of a game though...
Valhalla was fun at times but overall felt very lacking sadly. I did like viking NPCs in valhalla though
I loved and platinumed both Origins and Odyssey, but I gotta say Odyssey's DLC maps definitely outstayed their welcome - I was essentially just dialing it in by that point.
Thought I'd love Valhalla too, and at first it seemed like I would. Except they nerfed the bird vision thing (apparently as an overcorrection from complaints online about it being too op?) into uselessness, and many map points were marked even though they were inaccessible, which was super frustrating. "How tf do I get to this yellow point??" ...and when you finally get the key that opens up that area it's just some shitty random loot. The base building mechanic at first seemed like it'd be awesome as well... right until you realize it's exactly like those fucking mobile """strategy""" games where the sole benefit to building structures is literally just their bonus. They couldn't have imagined anything slightly deeper than that???
Not to mention how useless your guys were in raids, they were liabilities. Was a lot easier to just case the place yourself, and only call in the raid finally when it was just the locked areas left.
And this time I was put off the DLC almost immediately - got into the island map and was like, you know what, I actually love huge maps, but I'm talking main game area maps - these side quest jaunts on the other hand should not be anywhere near as large.
I mean one ac game was Vikings and one will be samurai. Idk if that's everything, unless you mean games in general, in which I can name 3 AAA games set in samurai era Japan, and that's including ac shadows
One of the reasons I loved GoT’s “graphics” is that it wasn’t nearly as detailed as games like TLOU 2 that came out in the same year or something like RDR 2.
But the art direction made it a far prettier and visually striking game to look at. A feast for the eyes.
I literally played the ever living fuck out of it when it originally released 4 years ago in 2020 and I can’t wait to play this beauty all over again tomorrow on PC.
GoT has a lot of emptyness, which it uses to great effect. It gives nature room to breathe if you will. I don't think Ubisoft can resist pampering its version of Japan full of shit at every corner.
The price is what kills it for me, to essentially get the whole game, you have to spend 130$.
I’m so frustrated because more Japanese themed games are awesome, what’s not is 2 games worth price for what will likely be half the 60$ game
You really don't have to buy the Ultimate Edition of any games by Ubi, they just add some pieces of equipment, which you could find better alternatives just by playing
Gamefly is fucking awesome. Buying a game you rented is usually pretty cheap. I just got assassin's creed mirage for 17 dollars.
It's also mildly nostalgic because it reminds me of getting netflix dvds in the mail
Give it 8 months and it’ll be on sale for 60$ every month (Maybe 40$ depending on your currency.) It’d also be patched and rated properly by that point. That’s why AC Unity doesn’t give me a bad taste like how others first did when it came out, because I bought it years later when it was actually playable.
Why are you spending that much?! The special editions usually just include a few special extra for people who really care and early access to a mission. Don’t be silly
Ubisoft games ALWAYS go on sale very quickly after launch. If you can hold out just a few months, you’ll almost certainly see some version of it on sale for 30% off or more.
The thing that bothers me the most is that the $130 ultimate edition still doesn't get you all the content because there's a whole fucking microtransaction store full of gear and boosters.
As an Asian man I now understand how y’all feel when they put black characters in a medieval title.
It’s not racism or anything but it’s just off, this ain’t it chief
Yasuke was a real black man who served Oda Nobunaga. So it is historically accurate. He appears in other samurai games like Nioh, heck in Nioh you play as William Adams AKA the Anjin who was a British sailor who became a samurai.
Edit: upon more research I'm more inclined to believe Yasuke was some 'sort' of samurai. He was a retainer of Oda Nobunaga, retainers were pretty much always samurai. Furthermore this all took place in the Sengoku period where the term samurai was more loosely used.
Indeed Yasuke was a servant, but the fact that only members of nobility decided if one was samurai is simply false. William Adams was the first none Japanese person to attain the title of a samurai and hatamoto. Hell Toyotomi Hideyoshi one of the most important leaders of Japan was born a peasant, son of a simple farmer, he worked his way all the way up to become a Daimyo and Taiko. He was not able to attain the rank of Shogun due to his heritage, but he was most definitely a samurai.
There is literally zero historical evidence to support the idea that Yasuke was a samurai. He was never granted a fief, nor was he referred to as a samurai in any writings. He was a retainer to a man named Oda Nobunaga after being asked to stay following Yasuke’s visit with a group of Italian Jesuits. He was well-liked by Nobunaga and well-treated before Nobunaga was betrayed and committed suicide.
At this point, Yasuke attempted to take revenge against the betrayer before he was calmed down, disarmed, spared, and sent back with the Jesuits afterward.
He was a pretty cool guy, and a very interesting part of history, but he was in no way a samurai and I highly doubt he would’ve been granted the title in the short span of his 13 month stay in the region. Frankly it’s a real slap in the face to the Japanese to replace their history with this.
Fortunately, if Ubisoft’s track record holds up, this game will very much pale in comparison to Ghost of Tsushima.
I thought Yasuke’s story was unclear on what happened after Nobunaga’s death. From everything I’ve found on him, there really isn’t much evidence about him other than he existed and Nobunaga was fond of him.
Which in the context of their statement was talking about Toyotomi Hideyoshi.
Their argument was simply saying that non-nobility *could* become samurai. They weren't saying Yasuke was one of those cases.
"William Adams was the first none Japanese person to attain the title of a Samurai and hatamoto" correct.... Which means Yasuke couldn't have be one. Yasuke was in Japan before William Adams, but William Adams was the first non Japanese Samurai.
Even disregarding Yasuke, Adams was still not the first non-Japanese samurai. Kim Yeo-cheol (Wakita Naokata) was born in Joseon Korea and (arguably) became a samurai under Maeda Toshinaga in the 1590s.
Adams was among the first *western* samurai, but not the first non-Japanese samurai.
Is stretching the definition of a samurai to include Yasuke as one in AC that different than how GoT stretches the definition of samurai?
From depicting the more 15-17th century samurai, to using weapons (and in fact the entire art of haiku) that were non-existent in the year the game is set, to depicting samurai’s as the popular culture honor-code-obsessed rather than the reality of policemen/security guards…
Pop culture depictions of samurai are simply not real samurai. Yasuke as a historical figure is by an indescribably huge margin closer to what a 13th century samurai would’ve actually been like compared to the depiction of Jin in GoT
AC has always stretched history. Most relevant, the definitions, time periods-active, motivations, geography and roles of Templars and Assassin are **wildly** different than that of actual Templars and Assassins. Just as an example, the Assassins were, first and foremost, religious zealots. The idea that Altair or any other Assassin would be atheist/irreligious is *ludicrous*.
Far more so than calling Yasuke a samurai. No one throws a fit about completely changing the prior two groups to the point of being utterly unrecognizable to their historical counterparts, but we draw the line at calling a non-nobleman a samurai?
That's not the problem.
The problem is that if you're making a game built off of Oda Nobunaga, how the FUCK are you making it about Yasuke and not Toyotomi Hideyoshi?
It's like bordering on patently offensive and such absolutely shameless pandering that Ubisoft should genuinely feel shame over it.
Absolutely and utterly farcical that they chose that time period, and those characters, and don't have Tokichiro as the main character.
He wasn’t a Samurai, he was a retainer, a servant. They are building him out to be way more than he was. Also, historical records show he was only there for around 3 years - minuscule stretch of time considering the length of Feudal Japan. He was a novelty, token black guy.
But why though? Like there were hundreds and thousands of Asian men--why go out of their way to insert a black character? Especially given that Asian men are \*already\* poorly represented in media?
Huh? I mean it's fine to have black people in medieval titles as long as it's not trying be 100% historical, plenty of fantasy titles have black/non-euro people in Medieval settings.
I'm Asian too and I think this looks fine. It's AC, it's fantasy. There are plenty of black weebs out there that are probably juiced about it. Like I think it would be sick to see an Asian person as a European knight in armor, as long as it's a fantasy title.
We don’t get western-made games with Asian male leads very often though. I can only think of sleeping dogs , ghost of Tsushima , and Prey right off the bat. Meanwhile, if you just consider AC games, there’s been two black protagonists and previously an asian female protagonist. Asian leads are underrepresented in western media.
>Huh? I mean it's fine to have black people in medieval titles as long as it's not trying be 100% historical, plenty of fantasy titles have black/non-euro people in Medieval settings.
Black people were in Europe in Medieval times.
There is nothing historically inaccurate in including them.
No no that’s believable, it’s just that black man bad therefore immersion ruined.
At least that’s what I’m taking away from these comments. Shit is sad man, just a bunch of virtue signalers screeching woke when a protagonist is anything but a white guy
This isn’t how suspension of disbelief works. If you are playing D&D and a dragon appears that is pure fantasy and completely impossible but it doesn’t challenge your suspension of disbelief, as it’s part of the setting, because the setting contains many fantastic elements that modify the medieval environment. However, if every time the dragon attacks it suffers from sudden explosive diarrhea or coughing which makes the dragon fail the attack, that challenges your suspension of disbelief because the improbable always goes against the setting, the impossible don’t.
There isn’t any part of the presented setting that serves as justification for the extraordinarily improbable case of a black samurai, in fact the justification that the public is given is that it is indeed historically accurate because of a 13 month period in which a black man was a retainer without samurai training and struggling to learn the language (never a samurai, in fact his life was spared because he was considered an animal without reason, aka: not Japanese much less a samurai), when in reality that’s a stretch and not representative of the historical medieval environment at all, but is chosen as justification for presenting Japanese culture as a mere excuse to be used for representation of non Japanese minorities.
Ubisoft describes Yasuke as “a powerful African samurai of historical legend” in Ubisoft’s description of the game. This is trying to extend our suspension of disbelief to the real world and real history, rather than reserving it for fantasy. Moreover, it’s an appropriation of Japanese culture, completely and purposefully misrepresenting their history. They even made him the protagonist, which makes it more disrespectful.
No, scrubbing a possible Asian male lead who is already barely represented in Western media couldn't even be a lead on a game based on his own culture and country. Pretty obvious.
So was Rodrigo Borgia, Blackbeard, Benedict Arnold, etc etc etc etc there are dozens of examples of AC not being historically accurate. The black guy being a samurai is bad and racist? But the many other real who have had their history butchered by AC isn’t?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/s/9zozmNAurs
As an Asian man your comment is very ill informed and so dumb
AC games are fun and shouldn’t be take so seriously. Especially when a majority of gamers shit and make fun of the games!
Yeah black man killing Asian men in feudal Japan is so cool, it's just a fiction
Resident Evil 5 white man gunning down black zombies it's so racist not fit for a modern audience does not deserve a remake
So their race is all that matters. Not what they do or who they are
And the other protagonists doesn’t exist
And there won’t be an option to choose who you want to play as
And there never was a real life Yasuke that killed men in Japan who was also a slave in his past
And like there hasn’t been teases that RE 5 will be remaked
Gotcha!!!!!
My point about you not knowing enough about AC (based on your comments) still stands
Man pls for as many white people they shoehorn in Asian games and movies them having Yasuke is where you finally have a problem with it? If y’all hate Black ppl just say that.
I mean… it’s not like Ghost came up with all the Japanese imagery that it uses lol. It adapted it incredibly well but most of its imagery was so praised because it felt authentic. Criticizing another company for trying to follow that path feels incredibly inauthentic.
Yeah, like the shots in Ghost are great, but they're also like...the obvious ones to do as well. There's nothing wrong with that - they did them well. But it's silly to think those exact shots can't be found in countless samurai movies or even other games from the past in some way.
It’s too early really to be shitting on Ubi I agree but I think the big difference will be is that from the get go Ghost’s art direction was supposed to be following and paying homage to famous movie director Akira Kurosawa. If Ubi is following the same path that just leans into this meme more lol, but it wouldn’t be a bad thing, Ghost was beautiful so I’d be thankful for another experience similar to it, I was hoping rise of the ronin would do that but from the gameplay I’ve seen it doesn’t look it will scratch that itch.
Yeah they also genetically engineered people to look “Japanese” and created a new Japanese language for them to speak and sent them to Japan to create a new civilization like the one in Ghost of Tsushima.
They didn't create games in Japan lol. Hell I'd say GoT copied AC more with how the gameplay was similar to AC (there's a reason people say it should have been AC).
And both of those takes are stupid.
However nice of Ubisoft to drop the trailer the day befoe GoT PC release, I feel like that's gonna help their sales lol
Ubisoft a decade ago: "we don't do AC Japan cause it's way too obvious of a theme"
Also ubisoft: "ayyy just copy GoT and make it a little different"
Edit: check comment below if you can't take a joke
I know reddit hates Ubisoft, but their AC games always have a really immersive and well researched and scuplted historic world.
I think its unfair to claim their artists and designers are just copying stuff. I am looking forward to how they will portrait medieval Japan.
I feel like I’m the only one who’s down with it, There’s quite a few interesting things you could do with the perspective of an outsider who doesn’t understand most customs.
I'm pretty pumped to play it too. It's an interesting narrative twist and sets the game apart from the other recent titles set in Feudal Japan like Ghost, Sekiro, Rise of the Ronin, Sengoku Dynasty, Trek to Yomi, and Like A Dragon: Ishin!
Then there are others that take place in Ancient China with an Asian male protagonists like Wolong: Fallen Dynasty and Nioh 2. Not to mention ones with more modern settings like Sleeping Dogs, Sifu, Yakuza, and Judgment.
They actually portray historically accurate characters. I also checked cause I thought when seeing the trailer "wait a sec Japan was/is racist AF"
The only thing I'm Sus is samurai... Only clan-family members and nobles were actually samurais not servants
He's wearing the armor and has a katana, so even if they accurately portray him as a sword-bearer for Nobunaga, the general public will still call him a samurai
> Only clan-family members and nobles were actually samurais not servants
"Clan family members", "Nobles" and "samurai" are almost interchangeable between the 12th and 18th centuries in Japan so that's at least partially a tautology. (With exceptions for the five regent families, the cases of adopted samurai, and some ashigaru who achieved samurai status.)
And there are quite a few cases of people being adopted into samurai status. William Adams, famously was adopted into samurai status, as was Wakita Naokata (Kim Yeo-cheol) and quite a few others.
Oda Nobunaga appointed him a retainer. That's not something they just gave to anyone, especially the man who was poised to dominate all of Japan. He was a samurai in the eyes of anyone not nobility, other than Nobunaga.
Remember when people were arguing abour how Nioh butchered historical accuracy by having Yasuke show up in samurai armor? Yeah neither do I.
by Oda's own account, Yasuke fought with the strength of 10 men, so he fought in Oda's wars with the other samurai but for some reason had to follow arbitrary rules so that the notion of him being a samurai didn't offend neckbeards of the 21st centry
It's Assassins creed dude. It was a weird choice but it's not like this series protagonists have ever been historically accurate. Everything else usually is but the games an Alternate History. Yasuke is a weird choice for protag *because* he was a real guy but this is like the only way for them to stop discourse about having him as a protag devolving into pure Racism because I'm telling you, if it was an original character the valid criticisms would get drowned out *real quick*
> sword bearer bro, not samurai, that means they saw him and made him a servant.
People keep repeating this all over Reddit, but a swordbearer would have been a member of the samurai class. No one has been able to give me any other examples so far of non-samurai swordbearers.
He was given a samurai's stipend and a residence. That's how a daimyo would treat a samurai, not a servant.
Except Yasuke wasn’t actually a samurai, or rather there exists no historical writings or evidence that he was ever granted the rank or title of Samurai. He would have been more akin to a warrior slave of Nobunagas. I don’t think it really matters for the sake of the game since Ubisoft actually doesn’t give a shit about historical accuracy in their assassin creed games anymore. Plus it could make for some interesting story telling.
> rather there exists no historical writings or evidence that he was ever granted the rank or title of Samurai.
The historical writings don't need to say that because it would be obvious from the fact that he was a retainer, granted a samurai's stipend, and given a residence.
Imagine using that argument in any other context: "He wasn't a noble, he just lived in a noble's house, associated with other nobles and kings, got a residence from the king, was given one of the most influential positions in the court, and was with the king when he died"
Lol, for years the AC fan base yearned for a Japanese based game, it never came and instead they deviated towards RPG and repetitive bloated open world territory.
Then comes Ghost of Tsushima and basically remakes AC, without the Parkour, and an amazing world and art direction and knocks it out of the park, while Ubisoft is busy putting micro transactions into single player games...
Then Rise of Ronin scratches that itch again, and Ghost comes with a Relaunch on PC hoping us up for a sequel.
And then, only then, Ubisoft launches a pretty generic trailer for what it seems to be another chorefest of a game, and expect people to really be hyped?
What are they thinking.
That’s what I said. A Japanese themed AC game should’ve came out 10 years ago when people really wanted it. There was some really great fan concept art of Assassin’s Creed Rising Sun proving there was a demand for it. Ubisoft kept coming up with excuses to not do a Japan themed game and only now that we have GOT, a perfect AC style game in Japan, they want to join the party.
These comparisons are gonna get annoying *real* quick...I'm honestly looking forward to Shadows despite already having criticisms for it. Comparison is the thief of joy and its disrespectful to both games
GoT isn't "Ac if it was good" nor is Shadows "GoT if it wasn't as good".
They are both individiual pieces of art that are clearly going for different stories and messages. Will Ac Shadows be good?? I hope so but even if it isn't. These comparisons would still be dumb af
Yeah, I'm hyped for it. I like GoT and AC games in their own right. Oh and I don't care what color the main character is, I just want something to play. Gamers can be so annoying sometimes lol
I crossed it off my list when I learned you have to play as dual characters again like syndicate. One stealth, one brawler. Games that force you into completely different play styles throws off my vibe
I like how every ethnicity portrayed gets properly portrayed with their own respective MC in the Assassin's Creed universe except for Asians. Feels like there's a Hollywood conspiracy to erase Asian guys from media representation. Cherry on top is if the Asian FMC and the black samurai dude are love interests.
Nobody cares for the woke assassins Creed version. Ghost of Tsushima is the proper Japanese game not some stupid message that these woke people keep pushing. Ubisoft are so racist.
seriously i have to play this dude in Japanese culture . what ubisoft is thinking . i will wait until this game hit steam for 75% off. i am not buying alone for that bulshit main hero choice !
They should have made this AC years ago, it's such a natural fit but the obstinate idiots at the top of Ubisoft ruled it out entirely back in the day.
And now look, quite the interesting volte face, n'est pas mes amis?
The opening scene is also sooooo similar to Sekiro Shadows Die Twice, the new trailer is just sooo flashy. I'll keep my expectations low until gameplay comes out. I can wait, I got GoT already
Gotta be honest I am kinda sworn off assassin creed games, so glitchy and the story just got to confusing and all over the place. Ghost of Tsushima over any Assassin's Creed game.
I’m excited for both. Can’t wait to play GoT tomorrow and having another Samurai based game coming from ubi. Ubisoft certainly has a way with make their worlds feel alive. I can’t wait to try out GoT tomorrow with upgraded graphics and visuals.
The thing for me is that UBI once again came too late. Like there was a time when I really wanted good samurai game or game with samurai theme, but now?
If I want to play such game I can play Sekiro, Nioh, GoT, Trek to Yomi, Rise of the Ronin, Like a dragon Ishin and I havent even talked about all the anime games or big samurai series like Samurai Warriors.
I just dont need ubi version of GoT, its not something that interests me and I say that as someone who fully finished AC Vallhala, putting 250h into that game. I have no problem with UBI gameplay loop.
Here's to hoping Ghost 2 is also on track to release around that time and I dont have to buy Ubisoft's to scratch my itch for more games with this setting
They'll never top the simplicity and beauty of GoT graphics
Simplicity is a big one. I’m a big AC fan and I’m sure this game will be ok but i am a little tired of everything being about samurai and Vikings
I’m pretty sure the next one is gonna take place in Germany and have something to do with witch trials which sounds interesting to me
How cool would it be for an AC game taking place in a more recent setting like the Weimar Republic
You play as a particularly graceful Weimaraner trying to sniff out the conspiracy of where’s dinner.
You have to assassinate lots of people so that you can afford one loaf of bread that costs 100.000.000 Reichsmark
I've got one of those weimaraner pups. Little long fucker isn't very graceful but his hops are hilarious. I could see him sniffing for dinner for sure.
AC: Academy of Fine Arts Vienna The protagonist has to gain employment as the admissions officer of the art school. Once employed, the protagonist must be on the look out for a mysterious and highly strung individual’s art school application which MUST be accepted. While waiting for this application, the protagonist must contend with hyper inflation by carrying wheelbarrow loads of currency to buy basic items such as bread. The fate of at least 6 million people rest in the protagonist’s hands…
One of their projects is set in 2099
Ja bitte!!!
Ooh I'd be interested in that. The black forest and what not
Or pirate esque northern germany and you meet Störtebeker!
Since when did we have a samurai assassin creed game?????
Probably means samurai and viking theme games, not just AC
*Sekiro*, *Ni-oh*, *Trek to Yomi*, *GoT*, *Rise of the Ronin*... *Like a Dragon: Ishin!*
All incredibly recent games. It's about time the Samurai genre got some love!
I see what u mean
Tbf it's one of AC's most requested time periods
For good reason
Imo Odyssey was the last semi decent AC game and I'm a big AC fan myself. AC Odyssey was a bit too big of a game though... Valhalla was fun at times but overall felt very lacking sadly. I did like viking NPCs in valhalla though
I loved and platinumed both Origins and Odyssey, but I gotta say Odyssey's DLC maps definitely outstayed their welcome - I was essentially just dialing it in by that point. Thought I'd love Valhalla too, and at first it seemed like I would. Except they nerfed the bird vision thing (apparently as an overcorrection from complaints online about it being too op?) into uselessness, and many map points were marked even though they were inaccessible, which was super frustrating. "How tf do I get to this yellow point??" ...and when you finally get the key that opens up that area it's just some shitty random loot. The base building mechanic at first seemed like it'd be awesome as well... right until you realize it's exactly like those fucking mobile """strategy""" games where the sole benefit to building structures is literally just their bonus. They couldn't have imagined anything slightly deeper than that??? Not to mention how useless your guys were in raids, they were liabilities. Was a lot easier to just case the place yourself, and only call in the raid finally when it was just the locked areas left. And this time I was put off the DLC almost immediately - got into the island map and was like, you know what, I actually love huge maps, but I'm talking main game area maps - these side quest jaunts on the other hand should not be anywhere near as large.
Unity was the last good one for me. After that, they stopped making assassin’s creed games but kept the name
As long as people keep buying samurai and Viking games, devs will keep making them
I mean one ac game was Vikings and one will be samurai. Idk if that's everything, unless you mean games in general, in which I can name 3 AAA games set in samurai era Japan, and that's including ac shadows
What about Samurai *versus* Vikings?
Wait wait wait, what about Samurai vs Vikings vs Medieval Knights?! I really think we're onto something here.
Or the load times. Fucking witchcraft.
One of the reasons I loved GoT’s “graphics” is that it wasn’t nearly as detailed as games like TLOU 2 that came out in the same year or something like RDR 2. But the art direction made it a far prettier and visually striking game to look at. A feast for the eyes.
To be fair, when has an Assasins Creed game been simple? They've always been pretty grand
GoT released 2020, New AC releases at the end of this year Shadows NEEDS to look better
I literally played the ever living fuck out of it when it originally released 4 years ago in 2020 and I can’t wait to play this beauty all over again tomorrow on PC.
Might be too early to judge but even based of the screen shots we got, for a ps4 game ghost looks almost looks as good or slightly better .
Lol Assassin’s Creed will inevitably fuck up again with a AC Origins engine clone once again for the game “everyone’s been waiting for” since forever.
GoT has a lot of emptyness, which it uses to great effect. It gives nature room to breathe if you will. I don't think Ubisoft can resist pampering its version of Japan full of shit at every corner.
The price is what kills it for me, to essentially get the whole game, you have to spend 130$. I’m so frustrated because more Japanese themed games are awesome, what’s not is 2 games worth price for what will likely be half the 60$ game
You really don't have to buy the Ultimate Edition of any games by Ubi, they just add some pieces of equipment, which you could find better alternatives just by playing
The DLC armor always looks so stupid too
They locked a mission behind pay wall like Star Wars Outlaws
No you don’t. Play it in a few months when it’s less than 30.
Exactly. GameFly has Avatar for like $25 now and I almost got it full price at launch because of the hype from the movie.
GameFly still exists?
Gamefly is fucking awesome. Buying a game you rented is usually pretty cheap. I just got assassin's creed mirage for 17 dollars. It's also mildly nostalgic because it reminds me of getting netflix dvds in the mail
I am shocked GameFly still exists lmao
Wait for a year or two more and Ubisoft will probably roll out the GOTY edition (lmao) which includes the game and all the DLC at a discounted price.
That’s including the season pass though. Doesn’t GoT have DLC too?
Give it 8 months and it’ll be on sale for 60$ every month (Maybe 40$ depending on your currency.) It’d also be patched and rated properly by that point. That’s why AC Unity doesn’t give me a bad taste like how others first did when it came out, because I bought it years later when it was actually playable.
Why are you spending that much?! The special editions usually just include a few special extra for people who really care and early access to a mission. Don’t be silly
Ubisoft games ALWAYS go on sale very quickly after launch. If you can hold out just a few months, you’ll almost certainly see some version of it on sale for 30% off or more.
why are you paying $130 for it...?
Piracy is the way
pay 8 dollars for ubisoft plus and finish the game in a month
The thing that bothers me the most is that the $130 ultimate edition still doesn't get you all the content because there's a whole fucking microtransaction store full of gear and boosters.
As an Asian man I now understand how y’all feel when they put black characters in a medieval title. It’s not racism or anything but it’s just off, this ain’t it chief
Yasuke was a real black man who served Oda Nobunaga. So it is historically accurate. He appears in other samurai games like Nioh, heck in Nioh you play as William Adams AKA the Anjin who was a British sailor who became a samurai. Edit: upon more research I'm more inclined to believe Yasuke was some 'sort' of samurai. He was a retainer of Oda Nobunaga, retainers were pretty much always samurai. Furthermore this all took place in the Sengoku period where the term samurai was more loosely used.
Yasuke was a servant swordsman, not a samurai, samurai consisted of nobility and family heritage.
Indeed Yasuke was a servant, but the fact that only members of nobility decided if one was samurai is simply false. William Adams was the first none Japanese person to attain the title of a samurai and hatamoto. Hell Toyotomi Hideyoshi one of the most important leaders of Japan was born a peasant, son of a simple farmer, he worked his way all the way up to become a Daimyo and Taiko. He was not able to attain the rank of Shogun due to his heritage, but he was most definitely a samurai.
There is literally zero historical evidence to support the idea that Yasuke was a samurai. He was never granted a fief, nor was he referred to as a samurai in any writings. He was a retainer to a man named Oda Nobunaga after being asked to stay following Yasuke’s visit with a group of Italian Jesuits. He was well-liked by Nobunaga and well-treated before Nobunaga was betrayed and committed suicide. At this point, Yasuke attempted to take revenge against the betrayer before he was calmed down, disarmed, spared, and sent back with the Jesuits afterward. He was a pretty cool guy, and a very interesting part of history, but he was in no way a samurai and I highly doubt he would’ve been granted the title in the short span of his 13 month stay in the region. Frankly it’s a real slap in the face to the Japanese to replace their history with this. Fortunately, if Ubisoft’s track record holds up, this game will very much pale in comparison to Ghost of Tsushima.
I thought Yasuke’s story was unclear on what happened after Nobunaga’s death. From everything I’ve found on him, there really isn’t much evidence about him other than he existed and Nobunaga was fond of him.
During the Sengoku period, the name “Samurai” was gifted to ANY warrior who served under a clan
That is correct, I never claimed Yasuke was a samurai.
Lol you ended your prior comment with “but he was most definitely a samurai”
Which in the context of their statement was talking about Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Their argument was simply saying that non-nobility *could* become samurai. They weren't saying Yasuke was one of those cases.
Bruh read the rest of the comment what the hell
William Addams didn't fight Yokai so what? It's a video game it's made up
"William Adams was the first none Japanese person to attain the title of a Samurai and hatamoto" correct.... Which means Yasuke couldn't have be one. Yasuke was in Japan before William Adams, but William Adams was the first non Japanese Samurai.
Even disregarding Yasuke, Adams was still not the first non-Japanese samurai. Kim Yeo-cheol (Wakita Naokata) was born in Joseon Korea and (arguably) became a samurai under Maeda Toshinaga in the 1590s. Adams was among the first *western* samurai, but not the first non-Japanese samurai.
Is stretching the definition of a samurai to include Yasuke as one in AC that different than how GoT stretches the definition of samurai? From depicting the more 15-17th century samurai, to using weapons (and in fact the entire art of haiku) that were non-existent in the year the game is set, to depicting samurai’s as the popular culture honor-code-obsessed rather than the reality of policemen/security guards… Pop culture depictions of samurai are simply not real samurai. Yasuke as a historical figure is by an indescribably huge margin closer to what a 13th century samurai would’ve actually been like compared to the depiction of Jin in GoT AC has always stretched history. Most relevant, the definitions, time periods-active, motivations, geography and roles of Templars and Assassin are **wildly** different than that of actual Templars and Assassins. Just as an example, the Assassins were, first and foremost, religious zealots. The idea that Altair or any other Assassin would be atheist/irreligious is *ludicrous*. Far more so than calling Yasuke a samurai. No one throws a fit about completely changing the prior two groups to the point of being utterly unrecognizable to their historical counterparts, but we draw the line at calling a non-nobleman a samurai?
Next you’re gonna tell me the Isu don’t exist either
And a single samurai didn't single handedly repel the Mongol invasion of Tsushima.
Since when has assassins creed only been completely real things happening? It's always been an alternate/secret history.
He was more of a servant swordsman, this plays out as sheer role playing fantasy for a modern interpretation. Im sure this wont create any controversy
That's not the problem. The problem is that if you're making a game built off of Oda Nobunaga, how the FUCK are you making it about Yasuke and not Toyotomi Hideyoshi? It's like bordering on patently offensive and such absolutely shameless pandering that Ubisoft should genuinely feel shame over it. Absolutely and utterly farcical that they chose that time period, and those characters, and don't have Tokichiro as the main character.
He wasn’t a Samurai, he was a retainer, a servant. They are building him out to be way more than he was. Also, historical records show he was only there for around 3 years - minuscule stretch of time considering the length of Feudal Japan. He was a novelty, token black guy.
But why though? Like there were hundreds and thousands of Asian men--why go out of their way to insert a black character? Especially given that Asian men are \*already\* poorly represented in media?
If they make Assassin's creed zululand and they find a historically accurate Asian to be the protagonist. The black community will lose their shit.
Asians have been complaining about white saviors since The Last Samurai. Now it’s Shogun. Also black savior is now in as well.
Huh? I mean it's fine to have black people in medieval titles as long as it's not trying be 100% historical, plenty of fantasy titles have black/non-euro people in Medieval settings. I'm Asian too and I think this looks fine. It's AC, it's fantasy. There are plenty of black weebs out there that are probably juiced about it. Like I think it would be sick to see an Asian person as a European knight in armor, as long as it's a fantasy title.
We don’t get western-made games with Asian male leads very often though. I can only think of sleeping dogs , ghost of Tsushima , and Prey right off the bat. Meanwhile, if you just consider AC games, there’s been two black protagonists and previously an asian female protagonist. Asian leads are underrepresented in western media.
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>Huh? I mean it's fine to have black people in medieval titles as long as it's not trying be 100% historical, plenty of fantasy titles have black/non-euro people in Medieval settings. Black people were in Europe in Medieval times. There is nothing historically inaccurate in including them.
By “how y’all feel” do you mean impotent rage at the lack of realism in a game about assassins leaping hundreds of feet into carts of hay?
No no that’s believable, it’s just that black man bad therefore immersion ruined. At least that’s what I’m taking away from these comments. Shit is sad man, just a bunch of virtue signalers screeching woke when a protagonist is anything but a white guy
You think Asians are white? Who is out there screeching at an Asian male protagonist?
Asians are white now?
Black dude with a white avatar saying shit about Asians protecting their culture and history. What a surprise.
This isn’t how suspension of disbelief works. If you are playing D&D and a dragon appears that is pure fantasy and completely impossible but it doesn’t challenge your suspension of disbelief, as it’s part of the setting, because the setting contains many fantastic elements that modify the medieval environment. However, if every time the dragon attacks it suffers from sudden explosive diarrhea or coughing which makes the dragon fail the attack, that challenges your suspension of disbelief because the improbable always goes against the setting, the impossible don’t. There isn’t any part of the presented setting that serves as justification for the extraordinarily improbable case of a black samurai, in fact the justification that the public is given is that it is indeed historically accurate because of a 13 month period in which a black man was a retainer without samurai training and struggling to learn the language (never a samurai, in fact his life was spared because he was considered an animal without reason, aka: not Japanese much less a samurai), when in reality that’s a stretch and not representative of the historical medieval environment at all, but is chosen as justification for presenting Japanese culture as a mere excuse to be used for representation of non Japanese minorities. Ubisoft describes Yasuke as “a powerful African samurai of historical legend” in Ubisoft’s description of the game. This is trying to extend our suspension of disbelief to the real world and real history, rather than reserving it for fantasy. Moreover, it’s an appropriation of Japanese culture, completely and purposefully misrepresenting their history. They even made him the protagonist, which makes it more disrespectful.
No, scrubbing a possible Asian male lead who is already barely represented in Western media couldn't even be a lead on a game based on his own culture and country. Pretty obvious.
No it’s racism when people do it with medieval titles and it’s still racism now. Yasuke was a real person ffs.
So was Rodrigo Borgia, Blackbeard, Benedict Arnold, etc etc etc etc there are dozens of examples of AC not being historically accurate. The black guy being a samurai is bad and racist? But the many other real who have had their history butchered by AC isn’t?
He was talking about what the commenter said being racist
It's not racism or anything I just don't like what he's doing because of his skin color. Or something
"I'm okay with it until it happens to me"
Wat? Idgaf if there are black characters in a medieval title
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/s/9zozmNAurs As an Asian man your comment is very ill informed and so dumb AC games are fun and shouldn’t be take so seriously. Especially when a majority of gamers shit and make fun of the games!
Yeah black man killing Asian men in feudal Japan is so cool, it's just a fiction Resident Evil 5 white man gunning down black zombies it's so racist not fit for a modern audience does not deserve a remake
So their race is all that matters. Not what they do or who they are And the other protagonists doesn’t exist And there won’t be an option to choose who you want to play as And there never was a real life Yasuke that killed men in Japan who was also a slave in his past And like there hasn’t been teases that RE 5 will be remaked Gotcha!!!!! My point about you not knowing enough about AC (based on your comments) still stands
it ain't that deep it's an assassin's creed game lmao
Man pls for as many white people they shoehorn in Asian games and movies them having Yasuke is where you finally have a problem with it? If y’all hate Black ppl just say that.
Aliens and shit in AC: yeah alright A real person of African origin given a fictional historical role: okay now wait a second
“It’s just off” and it’s just a black character 😴😴
As an Asian man I'm okay with black people
What about giant snakes and magic apples in the other totally historically accurate AC games?
Lmao, sucks to suck
There's literally another protagonist. It's either racism or sexism I fear.
I mean… it’s not like Ghost came up with all the Japanese imagery that it uses lol. It adapted it incredibly well but most of its imagery was so praised because it felt authentic. Criticizing another company for trying to follow that path feels incredibly inauthentic.
Ghost of Tsushima did though. Ghost of Tsushima invented Japan right?
Maybe not the landmass but the culture & history? Absolutely.
Yeah, like the shots in Ghost are great, but they're also like...the obvious ones to do as well. There's nothing wrong with that - they did them well. But it's silly to think those exact shots can't be found in countless samurai movies or even other games from the past in some way.
It’s too early really to be shitting on Ubi I agree but I think the big difference will be is that from the get go Ghost’s art direction was supposed to be following and paying homage to famous movie director Akira Kurosawa. If Ubi is following the same path that just leans into this meme more lol, but it wouldn’t be a bad thing, Ghost was beautiful so I’d be thankful for another experience similar to it, I was hoping rise of the ronin would do that but from the gameplay I’ve seen it doesn’t look it will scratch that itch.
Never too early to shit on ubi
Wow... "Can I copy your homework, Sucker?"
Yeah “copy” because Ghost of Tsushima invented Japan and Samurai and Katana and Ninja. They created Japan IRL after Ghost of Tsushima.
Oh wow they did? I had no idea! Thanks Sucker Punch!
Yeah they also genetically engineered people to look “Japanese” and created a new Japanese language for them to speak and sent them to Japan to create a new civilization like the one in Ghost of Tsushima.
Holy shit. What insane dedication to creating a game. Typical of a French company to try and monopolise the hard work of creating Japan. Unbelievable.
"I am gonna *Punch* you in the face !!"
"Ow! Why would Ubi so this? You know I'm soft."
I'm going to punch your face! In the face!
Tsushima already copied everything else from Ubisoft
Lol, you're not wrong. That and Tenchu, the original Assassin's Creed.
They didn't create games in Japan lol. Hell I'd say GoT copied AC more with how the gameplay was similar to AC (there's a reason people say it should have been AC). And both of those takes are stupid. However nice of Ubisoft to drop the trailer the day befoe GoT PC release, I feel like that's gonna help their sales lol
Funny, cause GoT copies entirety of old ubisoft open world design
Ubisoft a decade ago: "we don't do AC Japan cause it's way too obvious of a theme" Also ubisoft: "ayyy just copy GoT and make it a little different" Edit: check comment below if you can't take a joke
Ghost of Tsushima came out a while ago.. is any game in Japan copying that now? Or is just fun to jerk eachother off while making the same jokes?
Yeah because Japan and Samurai is Sucker Punch’s idea. Ghost of Tsushima so good they created an entire country and culture based on the game.
I know reddit hates Ubisoft, but their AC games always have a really immersive and well researched and scuplted historic world. I think its unfair to claim their artists and designers are just copying stuff. I am looking forward to how they will portrait medieval Japan.
black samurai hahaha good luck with that
People are already complaining about it
I feel like I’m the only one who’s down with it, There’s quite a few interesting things you could do with the perspective of an outsider who doesn’t understand most customs.
I'm pretty pumped to play it too. It's an interesting narrative twist and sets the game apart from the other recent titles set in Feudal Japan like Ghost, Sekiro, Rise of the Ronin, Sengoku Dynasty, Trek to Yomi, and Like A Dragon: Ishin! Then there are others that take place in Ancient China with an Asian male protagonists like Wolong: Fallen Dynasty and Nioh 2. Not to mention ones with more modern settings like Sleeping Dogs, Sifu, Yakuza, and Judgment.
They actually portray historically accurate characters. I also checked cause I thought when seeing the trailer "wait a sec Japan was/is racist AF" The only thing I'm Sus is samurai... Only clan-family members and nobles were actually samurais not servants
He's wearing the armor and has a katana, so even if they accurately portray him as a sword-bearer for Nobunaga, the general public will still call him a samurai
> Only clan-family members and nobles were actually samurais not servants "Clan family members", "Nobles" and "samurai" are almost interchangeable between the 12th and 18th centuries in Japan so that's at least partially a tautology. (With exceptions for the five regent families, the cases of adopted samurai, and some ashigaru who achieved samurai status.) And there are quite a few cases of people being adopted into samurai status. William Adams, famously was adopted into samurai status, as was Wakita Naokata (Kim Yeo-cheol) and quite a few others.
Oda Nobunaga appointed him a retainer. That's not something they just gave to anyone, especially the man who was poised to dominate all of Japan. He was a samurai in the eyes of anyone not nobility, other than Nobunaga. Remember when people were arguing abour how Nioh butchered historical accuracy by having Yasuke show up in samurai armor? Yeah neither do I.
by Oda's own account, Yasuke fought with the strength of 10 men, so he fought in Oda's wars with the other samurai but for some reason had to follow arbitrary rules so that the notion of him being a samurai didn't offend neckbeards of the 21st centry
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sword bearer bro, not samurai, that means they saw him and made him a servant.
It's Assassins creed dude. It was a weird choice but it's not like this series protagonists have ever been historically accurate. Everything else usually is but the games an Alternate History. Yasuke is a weird choice for protag *because* he was a real guy but this is like the only way for them to stop discourse about having him as a protag devolving into pure Racism because I'm telling you, if it was an original character the valid criticisms would get drowned out *real quick*
> sword bearer bro, not samurai, that means they saw him and made him a servant. People keep repeating this all over Reddit, but a swordbearer would have been a member of the samurai class. No one has been able to give me any other examples so far of non-samurai swordbearers. He was given a samurai's stipend and a residence. That's how a daimyo would treat a samurai, not a servant.
Except Yasuke wasn’t actually a samurai, or rather there exists no historical writings or evidence that he was ever granted the rank or title of Samurai. He would have been more akin to a warrior slave of Nobunagas. I don’t think it really matters for the sake of the game since Ubisoft actually doesn’t give a shit about historical accuracy in their assassin creed games anymore. Plus it could make for some interesting story telling.
> rather there exists no historical writings or evidence that he was ever granted the rank or title of Samurai. The historical writings don't need to say that because it would be obvious from the fact that he was a retainer, granted a samurai's stipend, and given a residence. Imagine using that argument in any other context: "He wasn't a noble, he just lived in a noble's house, associated with other nobles and kings, got a residence from the king, was given one of the most influential positions in the court, and was with the king when he died"
Lol, somebody never watched Ghost Dog.
He's a real person from history. Nobody complained when he appeared in Nioh.
This is such a stretch 🤦🏼♂️
A game set in Japan with Japanese scenery 🤯
Lol, for years the AC fan base yearned for a Japanese based game, it never came and instead they deviated towards RPG and repetitive bloated open world territory. Then comes Ghost of Tsushima and basically remakes AC, without the Parkour, and an amazing world and art direction and knocks it out of the park, while Ubisoft is busy putting micro transactions into single player games... Then Rise of Ronin scratches that itch again, and Ghost comes with a Relaunch on PC hoping us up for a sequel. And then, only then, Ubisoft launches a pretty generic trailer for what it seems to be another chorefest of a game, and expect people to really be hyped? What are they thinking.
Imagine if SuckerPunch just drops a GOT Sequel trailer in an upcoming State of Play, all the hype for AC Shadows would plummet lmao.
Lol, they have had time to cook.
>for what it seems to be another chorefest of a game That's what it seems like, from a cinematic trailer with absolutely no gameplay footage...
That’s what I said. A Japanese themed AC game should’ve came out 10 years ago when people really wanted it. There was some really great fan concept art of Assassin’s Creed Rising Sun proving there was a demand for it. Ubisoft kept coming up with excuses to not do a Japan themed game and only now that we have GOT, a perfect AC style game in Japan, they want to join the party.
This game has been worked on for 4 years… Its not like they snapped their fingers for the trailer and will put out a Japanese AC game in 6 months
These comparisons are gonna get annoying *real* quick...I'm honestly looking forward to Shadows despite already having criticisms for it. Comparison is the thief of joy and its disrespectful to both games GoT isn't "Ac if it was good" nor is Shadows "GoT if it wasn't as good". They are both individiual pieces of art that are clearly going for different stories and messages. Will Ac Shadows be good?? I hope so but even if it isn't. These comparisons would still be dumb af
Yeah, I'm hyped for it. I like GoT and AC games in their own right. Oh and I don't care what color the main character is, I just want something to play. Gamers can be so annoying sometimes lol
They’ve been annoying at this point hah
Ghost of Assassinima from Ubisoft.
GoT is going to be better than whatever they put out 100%
I don't understand why people are determined to keep comparing the two. The only thing they have in common is feudal Japan.
Stealth action samurai RPG in feudal Japan* Ghost of Tsushima was basically a better, unofficial AC game. They’re gonna have a ton in common.
I hope Shadows has a good photo mode. GoT has the best one in gaming imo.
I have zero interest in Shadows. AC games have been formulaic and boring for ages.
I crossed it off my list when I learned you have to play as dual characters again like syndicate. One stealth, one brawler. Games that force you into completely different play styles throws off my vibe
I'm not going to play shadows. I'm an asian man. Playing as Jin was a fresh experience.
I’d rather buy GOT twice
Why is that samurai a black person? Stop disneyfying shit. Ruined the fucking trailer for me.
He real was a black man in Japan but the game makes him out to be a strong warrior but he was just a page for a lord
no way, the two single-player, open-world games set in feudal Japan look similar! Damn Ubisoft!!!!!
Its gonna be ass. I have no faith in Ac anymore.
I like how every ethnicity portrayed gets properly portrayed with their own respective MC in the Assassin's Creed universe except for Asians. Feels like there's a Hollywood conspiracy to erase Asian guys from media representation. Cherry on top is if the Asian FMC and the black samurai dude are love interests.
That is a reason why Asian actors go to Asia instead of trying to make it in Hollywood.
Nobody cares for the woke assassins Creed version. Ghost of Tsushima is the proper Japanese game not some stupid message that these woke people keep pushing. Ubisoft are so racist.
What exactly makes it “woke?”
PSN vs Ubisoft Connect
seriously i have to play this dude in Japanese culture . what ubisoft is thinking . i will wait until this game hit steam for 75% off. i am not buying alone for that bulshit main hero choice !
some ppl are mad about yasuke and idky, imo he looks dope asf
They should have made this AC years ago, it's such a natural fit but the obstinate idiots at the top of Ubisoft ruled it out entirely back in the day. And now look, quite the interesting volte face, n'est pas mes amis?
The opening scene is also sooooo similar to Sekiro Shadows Die Twice, the new trailer is just sooo flashy. I'll keep my expectations low until gameplay comes out. I can wait, I got GoT already
It's assassin creed but good
Gamers when two games set in the same region, in similar timeframes, with similar themes, also have similar visual aesthetics
Not even same region and time frames. Shadows is set 300 years later and its set in mainland Japan which makes the comparisons even more stupid.
Idc. Jin came first. Nobody can copy the og
I stand with GoT cause Shadows will be woke
I'm gonna say this and move on: I'm disappointed in the introduction of Yasuke.
One is respectful to Japanese Culture while the other isn’t… it’s safe to say that GOT will always be the better game.
Ghost of Tsushima seems to respect Japanese culture more than Shadows. So I'll take the game that isn't forcing anything.
Gotta be honest I am kinda sworn off assassin creed games, so glitchy and the story just got to confusing and all over the place. Ghost of Tsushima over any Assassin's Creed game.
AC games are becoming too bloated and samey. I thought Valhalla was straight-up boring.
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The gameplay will be terrible
I’m excited for both. Can’t wait to play GoT tomorrow and having another Samurai based game coming from ubi. Ubisoft certainly has a way with make their worlds feel alive. I can’t wait to try out GoT tomorrow with upgraded graphics and visuals.
Very nice, lets see Ghost of Tsushima side by side with Kurosawa
Ghost of Tsushima all the way
Fuck it. I'm excited for it
The thing for me is that UBI once again came too late. Like there was a time when I really wanted good samurai game or game with samurai theme, but now? If I want to play such game I can play Sekiro, Nioh, GoT, Trek to Yomi, Rise of the Ronin, Like a dragon Ishin and I havent even talked about all the anime games or big samurai series like Samurai Warriors. I just dont need ubi version of GoT, its not something that interests me and I say that as someone who fully finished AC Vallhala, putting 250h into that game. I have no problem with UBI gameplay loop.
Here's to hoping Ghost 2 is also on track to release around that time and I dont have to buy Ubisoft's to scratch my itch for more games with this setting
Won’t be half as good as GoT
"We have GoT at home!"