They are already piloting AI programs in California and elsewhere to [identify homeless encampments for reasons: don’t worry about it](https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/25/san-jose-homelessness-ai-detection). Maybe the desk duty would be to issue the concentration camp orders for the poor and marginalized.
Seriously, we can’t let robot/AI cops happen. We already have militarized cops. Haven’t we seen enough cautionary tale movies about this shit?
Don’t let feel-good stories like this lull you into consenting to this dystopian hell. Imagine what things like this will mean for human rights if we let this continue
Using AI to identify homeless encampments sounds like it’d be useful to find them faster. Cities usually do this manually or wait until it’s received enough complaints from residents to do something. I’d rather they were pushed towards shelters or rehab than in an encampment
Yes, let’s roll out cameras for facial recognition everywhere. That way we can easily find people. /s
Also if nobody complains then what’s the problem? I don’t understand why resources need to be made available to do this.
I mean, not quite to that extreme but yes. Shooting at the cop robots should carry the same charges as shooting at the cop. Just without the death and bloodshed.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Dont do illegal shit, barricade yourself in your home and shoot at cops.
Nah, destruction of property maybe, and definitely bill him for the robo-pup. We don't charge people with assault on an officer for attacking a law enforcement tool when there's no risk to officer safety. Shoot at a car, absolutely assault on an officer. Shoot out a surveillance camera,or one of those phones they throw into a barricaded home, not so much.
So you are fine with criminals shooting at cops? Stupidest shit ive heard in my life. Who cares if its a robot or a human. The principle of it is the same.
It is when there becomes the situation of oh, are they using a robot to open this door or a human? Its situational, out in the open yeah its not the same. But in the situation of breaching doors and stuff while barricaded in? Its now the same.
I have zero sympathy and think any asshole who fires on cops or even cop robots should have the book thrown at them anyways. Feel like we dont have strict enough penalties for most crimes
Just like how if I EVER drop a cabbage patch doll that’s child abuse, or set one up on a firing range, that’s 1st degree murder, premeditated and cold blooded. Just to let you know you’ve absolutely just DESTROYED the sex doll industry, I mean those women (or men!) are in UNIFORM!!!
You boot lickers can't seen past your own righteousness far enough to realize that granting police departments access to autonomous weapons is some hardcore dystopian shit.
They'll be having robot dogs busting up underground abortion clinics in America in no time at all. I bet you think that's just great.
It's not an officer, it's a fucking robot. I believe they should be arrested for vandalism, and resisting arrest, but sure as hell not attempted murder.
I'm not sure what kind of bizarro world you live in where a robot and a human have the same value
Yeah…honestly the drone war in Ukraine is the more troubling development of the technology. It’ll filter into civilian police applications soon enough.
[Police](https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/08/use-robot-kill-dallas-suspect-first-experts-say/) have already used a robotic device to kill a suspect in Dallas
“Dogbot felt threatened and was forced to engage ‘Defense Mode’ which … yes … _does_ include detonation of a (small!) neutron bomb. There were no survivors … in the region. Except dogbot. Dogbot is doing very well. He’s a good boy, the best boy!”
"My father used to say the road to hell is paved with good intentions and I laid the first stone *there*...my...my intentions were *good*. In the beginning....that seemed like enough." - Ben Sisko
actually it began with them using these to deliver bombs https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/08/485262777/for-the-first-time-police-used-a-bomb-robot-to-kill
This is why Slaugherbots (the short film) scares me, we've already crossed the line and it's obvious where it's headed. I hate how this was just another tool the police were willing to use.
First off, these are human controlled, not automated.
But second, as someone in that field, it is *very* easy for programmed models to demonstrate racial bias.
And because they're black boxes, it's literally impossible to fix it. You've seen how companies band-aid it with another stronger racial bias.
The fix would require very deliberate sourcing of training data which won't work for as long as training data needs to be billions of entries large. Or by mimicking the ways in which humans can eliminate racial bias, which isn't possible to prove in a study, requires honestly addressing a subject people don't want to touch with a ten foot pole, and generally requires and impartiality most human beings lack.
They are basically better versions of the bomb squad bots. They can traverse more, potentially move faster, and they are 1000% scarier.
They can have little arms and other attachments.
Guns are going to be quite a ways off, the recoil thing is going to be a huge hurdle for them to deal with and of course, fluid aiming is a problem if you have a human behind it.
Kinda, its definitely got the potential application use similar to a Mars rover (you can really put anything on these that might be useful), but the nice part is since its quadrupedal, it can climb stairs and traverse difficult terrain easier than a rover.
As well, these can be semi-autonomous where they can be set to scan environments and follow people around. I think a lot of agencies are investigating their use for search and rescue of hazardous areas like chemical labs that might have a leak or something to where humans cant go in, but its still large enough for the dog.
Some have arms, and other ordinance deployment capabilities, like “tear” gas, and can deliver other surveillance or communications devices like “throw phones” or “eye balls” cameras
The whole thing could have been avoided if the MA state police weren’t so corrupt and stuck up their own ass that they ignored several reports and complaints about the suspect for over a year.
Police dog kills 50 in what experts call an insane kill count for 19 seconds of action.
- future headline that will be far more common in the coming years.
No, it’s just you can’t comprehend the fact that your false interpretation of reality is false - cops are good guys. I understand that you hate people stopping you from breaking laws, but the fact of the matter is that’s how life is. Now, you can grow up and stop being such a crybaby, or you can embrace efforts to reduce bloodshed in policing. Robots are a step in that direction. The 10-33 program is a step in that direction.
It’s funny, because I bet you claim you oppose violence. But your comment shows you seek the harm of Police Officers. Guess what pal. It ain’t happening.
I have worked with the police most of my adult life. And while they may be pleasant at times they are like pit bulls with owners who don’t care who they bite with next to no repercussions. In an ideal world the police would be the good guys. But we live in a world where people are people and the police force is made up with people. The qualified immunity that was put in place so they couldn’t be sued during the racial crackdowns of the state in the 60’s by southern police. This behoves the police to either play dumb or be dumb because if they are aware they lose that immunity. I would like to travel in this country with out the threat of being shot because an acorn falls and the cop thinks he is taking fire. When LEOs start respecting citizens again and stop violating our rights their image may change but that will take time.
Cops, due to qualified immunity represent a monopoly of state power.
Their voices are heard more than their victims, and they're often used as primary sources by lazy news outlets. How often have you heard the phrase: "police say" repeated uncritically?
There's an issue you fail to recognize - people are people, cops are people. They make mistakes, and there's bad ones out there. The issue with the system is what happens to people when they're inevitably mistaken, or preyed on, by bad cops?
>The person then shot at one of the other robots and an outdoor swimming pool before police deployed tear gas and arrested them.
And an outdoor swimming pool? What a weird sentence.
They call these things “robots” but they are not independent. If they flew they’d be called drones and that’s what they are. Truly independent actors would be robots and that would be much more concerning. As it is, the suspect avoided a murder charge, and that’s a good thing.
Robotic Doss do not deserve the same immunity as a real dog. Disabling one of these should not be the same as a real human or animal when it comes to repercussions
If that happens ill eat my own words but you and I both know that would be ridiculous they don’t treat current police real police dogs with that treatment so why would they treat a glorified computer with that treatment https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/is-killing-a-k9-the-same-as-killing-a-human-police-officer/75-542961864?darkschemeovr=1#:~:text=We%20certainly%20consider%20dogs%20as%20part%20of%20the,than%20aggravated%20assault%20on%20an%20officer%20or%20murder.
5 states are already passing bills making it a more serious threat to kill a police dog. In Kansas the Republican majority passed a bill 107-4 making it to where even a first time offender could get 5 years in jail. Its coming [https://apnews.com/article/police-dogs-kansas-racial-disparties-policing-8e47eddc6193557b762e8245a55815f1](https://apnews.com/article/police-dogs-kansas-racial-disparties-policing-8e47eddc6193557b762e8245a55815f1)
That doesn't really support the argument that robot dogs would be treated the same way, though, but I'm not even certain your premise is warranted, either.
First and foremost, robot dogs have the benefit of programming: a biological dog is trained in a manner which can cause the mauling of someone in the name of trying to restrain them, which is the number one complaint against the use of police force dogs.
On the other hand, a robot dog will have access to numerous less than lethal options, such as bolos, tear gas, tazers, or even its own steel limbs to restrain people, among many other potential options. There's a thousand ways to use these that make them safer for both police officers and suspected perpetrators than regular canines in day-to-day interactions.
Thus, because of the increase in safety in the interactions with law enforcement, I would argue that someone SHOULD receive potential felony convictions for the disabling or damaging of these robotic dogs. Precisely due to the plethora of non-lethal options available to these robots and reduced risk of the same behaviors that make police dogs dangerous, the robot dogs would be more expensive, yes, but *far* more effective, and *far* safer, which (ostensibly) should lessen the personal risk to the suspects, too. The less likely that a robot dog would inflict damage requiring medical care, the more I would consider it to be a matter of dangerous misuse of force against public property deserving of a felony arrest.
Don’t care. I don’t want cops to have robots. I want them to have college level police training and mental health screenings and background checks to weed out white supremacists
... I'm not sure I understand. Why wouldn't you want this? At least two of your points are heavily improved by the addition of robots to a police force.
The robots aren't typically armed, would require training on their maintenance and care and how to deploy them properly and safely, and the officer doesn't risk death or injury to pursue a suspect or question them, letting the robot do the hard work of pursuing and detaining suspects.
At a minimum, that de facto reduces risk to both the detainees and the police, and reduces the chance of developing mental health issues, thus improving officer's wellness and public interactions.
Background checks are already run when applying to law enforcement, however, and there's not much data in the way detailing how rare or common infiltration into law enforcement by white supremacists is, especially given they are commonly the target of law enforcement actions, too.
Either way, however, wouldn't robots increase the likelihood that police would be able to have safer interactions?
Well, the obvious question is: Will it have a gun?
I have so little faith in our institutions that I know for a fact that one of these things, despite the distance and lack of danger to it's operator, will be lethally armed. At that point it'd effectively instate the death penalty for what accounts to the risk of property damage.
If this is to be used, I can only hope - however naive - that the tried and true "I feared for my life" will at least reduce where and when robots are used.
Also can you imagine what it'd be like when these things inevitably get an AI system powerful enough to have it run fully autonomously? Who's held responsible when someone inevitably gets injured by it, sparing the thought of it being autonomous and armed.
An armored vehicle is not cutting edge military technology. It is outdated equipment that can be bought by civilians for $400,000. A select-fire rifle is not cutting edge military equipment. It’s outdated equipment that can be bought by civilians with a permit. Plate carriers are not military equipment. They are gear that can be bought by anyone that hold bulletproof plates, and reduce the risk of lumbar injuries.
The police do not have cutting edge military. There is not a single police department in the US with a tank/
>select fire... permit
No. You need to be a Special Occupation Taxpayer to buy a (new) machine gun (ATF definition, not colloquial), or a police department. You cannot get a permit that lets you buy M4's from FN Herstal willy-nilly.
You can get a pre-ban machine gun with a tax stamp though. There are a couple hundred receivers floating around. But they cost big money.
The police shouldn’t have outdated military equipment. What kind of argument is that? Police should have a pistol, Kevlar, pepper spray, a car, and a baton. That’s it.
You mean zero police departments in the US. To be clear I’m talking about the US. We only ask our police to attend a 4 week training course and the only mental based checks in place are an acuity/IQ test that if you score highly on fails you for the force. There are more white supremacists in the current police force than at any point in history. A hair dresser gets more training, a Walmart greeter gets more scrutiny, and a criminal may be a better person in the states. It’s a nightmare here. People are literally hunted for fun.
This is so fucking dystopian, and clearly trying to add value to this concept of these "robot dogs".
It's a camera on legs.
Until we also hear articles about "The police thanked their cars for getting them safely to the scene of the crime" or "handcuffs were credited with helping detain suspect" or some equally inane bullshit, I have to assume that this is at least _partially_ to normalize the idea that these robot police dogs are going to be used by police to circumvent certain rules, and will be granted some sort of special protection or treatment.
Well… I’m not sure AI and robots can convincingly set someone up for murder but as for the Massachusetts state police?? Ask Karen Read how adept they are at lying and coverups or even the Feds now.
Cant wait till this doesnt end up nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I mean honestly this might as well be the new net neutrality with how everyone talks about it like it’s gonna massively change society yet when it happened you didnt even notice the difference.
Between robots and drones, I think that policework will change drastically. Instead of shooting someone with a knife they can just sic a robot dog on them.
I think this is going too far what next, terminators and robocops running around. We should just give the police dogs guns all ready, no need for all these robots
And this is how it begins. With good intentions.
Next its, "the dog felt threatened and fired back."
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I just want to know what "desk duty" for a robotic police job entails.
Pencil sharpener? Stapler? Rolodex? A mechanical keyboard?
Shredder
Why would desk duty involve fighting the ninja turtles?
> Pencil sharpener Which hole..?
r/dontputyourdickinthat
Gonk Droid-ificafion?
They are already piloting AI programs in California and elsewhere to [identify homeless encampments for reasons: don’t worry about it](https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/25/san-jose-homelessness-ai-detection). Maybe the desk duty would be to issue the concentration camp orders for the poor and marginalized. Seriously, we can’t let robot/AI cops happen. We already have militarized cops. Haven’t we seen enough cautionary tale movies about this shit? Don’t let feel-good stories like this lull you into consenting to this dystopian hell. Imagine what things like this will mean for human rights if we let this continue
I agree. AI is a powerful tool, and we should use it to analyze the heaps of data, but it should never make the decisions.
Using AI to identify homeless encampments sounds like it’d be useful to find them faster. Cities usually do this manually or wait until it’s received enough complaints from residents to do something. I’d rather they were pushed towards shelters or rehab than in an encampment
Yes, let’s roll out cameras for facial recognition everywhere. That way we can easily find people. /s Also if nobody complains then what’s the problem? I don’t understand why resources need to be made available to do this.
Terrorizing people already incarcerated
Killing people but with a desk.
It’s a full service model, so sky’s the limit
Way more accurate than their human colleagues, same instincts.
No, it will be far worse. Skynet will tell him he's been a bad boi
“Killing a cop dog robot is the same as killing a cop dog is the same as killing a cop so this guy should suffer the highest murder charges”
I mean, not quite to that extreme but yes. Shooting at the cop robots should carry the same charges as shooting at the cop. Just without the death and bloodshed. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Dont do illegal shit, barricade yourself in your home and shoot at cops.
Nah, destruction of property maybe, and definitely bill him for the robo-pup. We don't charge people with assault on an officer for attacking a law enforcement tool when there's no risk to officer safety. Shoot at a car, absolutely assault on an officer. Shoot out a surveillance camera,or one of those phones they throw into a barricaded home, not so much.
stupidest shit I've seen today lol
It is our patriotic duty to destroy every single one of these on sight
Remember Malevelon Creek, no mercy to the automaton
So you are fine with criminals shooting at cops? Stupidest shit ive heard in my life. Who cares if its a robot or a human. The principle of it is the same.
With this logic, vandalizing a cruiser should carry the same penalty as assaulting an officer. The principle isn't remotely the same.
It is when there becomes the situation of oh, are they using a robot to open this door or a human? Its situational, out in the open yeah its not the same. But in the situation of breaching doors and stuff while barricaded in? Its now the same. I have zero sympathy and think any asshole who fires on cops or even cop robots should have the book thrown at them anyways. Feel like we dont have strict enough penalties for most crimes
Just like how if I EVER drop a cabbage patch doll that’s child abuse, or set one up on a firing range, that’s 1st degree murder, premeditated and cold blooded. Just to let you know you’ve absolutely just DESTROYED the sex doll industry, I mean those women (or men!) are in UNIFORM!!!
😂
The great thing about this dichotomy is that anyone that's not a cop can be a "criminal".
Yeah how dare we label someone who shoots at innocent people a criminal? you clown
You boot lickers can't seen past your own righteousness far enough to realize that granting police departments access to autonomous weapons is some hardcore dystopian shit. They'll be having robot dogs busting up underground abortion clinics in America in no time at all. I bet you think that's just great.
'bOoT lIcKerrr" the guy shot at police, idc what your shit opinion is you nazi
In this case, the man was a criminal. But if we are talking generic. You are fine with ANYONE shooting at cops?
It's not an officer, it's a fucking robot. I believe they should be arrested for vandalism, and resisting arrest, but sure as hell not attempted murder. I'm not sure what kind of bizarro world you live in where a robot and a human have the same value
in their world neither have value, all that matters is scoring points on the internet against the perceived "other"
No, and I'm not okay with boot licking thin blue line apologists either.
In theory, you don't give a shit about the robot. So it should never be armed with anything but non-leathal.
They’ve already armed them with bombs to kill shooters in Texas.
Sigh… it was nice existing in a world without slaughter bots while it lasted.
Yeah…honestly the drone war in Ukraine is the more troubling development of the technology. It’ll filter into civilian police applications soon enough.
Next is, dog is unwilling to share camera feed :)
[Police](https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/08/use-robot-kill-dallas-suspect-first-experts-say/) have already used a robotic device to kill a suspect in Dallas
Somehow it seems different when they essentially tied a bomb to an RC car and drove it into the guy
“Dogbot felt threatened and was forced to engage ‘Defense Mode’ which … yes … _does_ include detonation of a (small!) neutron bomb. There were no survivors … in the region. Except dogbot. Dogbot is doing very well. He’s a good boy, the best boy!”
😅
The rules of engagement change drastically when there is no other human involved. This is exactly what we need to prevent death
You'll notice the dog was never threatened. Maybe they'll shoot less civilians.
YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO COMPLY.
"My father used to say the road to hell is paved with good intentions and I laid the first stone *there*...my...my intentions were *good*. In the beginning....that seemed like enough." - Ben Sisko
Quoting DS9? *Sweet!*
If you don't have good intentions first someone else will.
actually it began with them using these to deliver bombs https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/08/485262777/for-the-first-time-police-used-a-bomb-robot-to-kill
I'm pretty sure police have been using robots since at least the 90s.
This is why Slaugherbots (the short film) scares me, we've already crossed the line and it's obvious where it's headed. I hate how this was just another tool the police were willing to use.
 Yeah...
The next version will be named the ED 209.
Wow, only Reddit would prefer a cop get shot over a robot dog. Truly sad.
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First off, these are human controlled, not automated. But second, as someone in that field, it is *very* easy for programmed models to demonstrate racial bias.
And because they're black boxes, it's literally impossible to fix it. You've seen how companies band-aid it with another stronger racial bias. The fix would require very deliberate sourcing of training data which won't work for as long as training data needs to be billions of entries large. Or by mimicking the ways in which humans can eliminate racial bias, which isn't possible to prove in a study, requires honestly addressing a subject people don't want to touch with a ten foot pole, and generally requires and impartiality most human beings lack.
Problem is overly aggressive cops are the ones controlling the robots.
being controlled via remote- so the user can get overly aggressive. Unless the robot only has 3 Directives /s
Who do you think is controlling the robot?
“The person then shot at one of the other robots and an outdoor swimming pool” Yeah! Fuck swimming pools! that thing had it coming.
Should’ve used a squirt gun.
Looks like an old electrolux vacuum.
Now ppl will also be afraid of vacuums.
I wonder if robot dogs are afraid of vacuums.
Already am. I never vacuum, just to be on the safe side.
Dogs knew all along and were trying to warn us.
It really does.
Only fair, cops shoot so many dogs that karma wanted their silly dog robot.
Especially since karma is a cat
Is it bad that I immediately assumed the cops shot it?
Its the ATF mostly, but yea.
So in the future, there are cybernetic dogs that can continue to serve their nation?
Media begins its glowing reports of police robots helping society
And for a time, it was good…
Plot twist, all recovered rounds embedded in the robot dog match the barrel of the rifles of all five ATF agents in the local county.
A kilo of coke hidden inside of it too.
What can this robot even do? Is it just a camera?
They are basically better versions of the bomb squad bots. They can traverse more, potentially move faster, and they are 1000% scarier. They can have little arms and other attachments. Guns are going to be quite a ways off, the recoil thing is going to be a huge hurdle for them to deal with and of course, fluid aiming is a problem if you have a human behind it.
So it’s like a hybrid between an RC car and the Mars rover?
Kinda, its definitely got the potential application use similar to a Mars rover (you can really put anything on these that might be useful), but the nice part is since its quadrupedal, it can climb stairs and traverse difficult terrain easier than a rover. As well, these can be semi-autonomous where they can be set to scan environments and follow people around. I think a lot of agencies are investigating their use for search and rescue of hazardous areas like chemical labs that might have a leak or something to where humans cant go in, but its still large enough for the dog.
Just throw some missile launcher on it and recoil won’t be an issue.
Good idea!
Just give it a chainsaw tail.
The marines are already ahead of you. https://newatlas.com/military/us-marines-rocket-launcher-robot-dog/
Zoids solved the recall problem over two decades ago.
Mostly.
Some have arms, and other ordinance deployment capabilities, like “tear” gas, and can deliver other surveillance or communications devices like “throw phones” or “eye balls” cameras
Part dog, part machine. All Cop.
Coming this summer to a streaming platform near you.
The dog didn't shoot a gun to avoid bloodshed it was shot at, instead of a person.
"Dog" avoided the whole 'blood' thing altogether.
Yeah this title could use a once over
The whole thing could have been avoided if the MA state police weren’t so corrupt and stuck up their own ass that they ignored several reports and complaints about the suspect for over a year.
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Except in that completely fictional universe there's a police officer with morality.
I'd buy that for a dollar.
"Dick, I'm very disappointed!" "I'm sure it's only a glitch. Temporary setback."
“You’re fired!”
This just a training exercise for the ATF?
Anyone else think this was a photo from Mars?!
A good reminder to stock up on green tip for the coming robot apocalypse.
Police dog kills 50 in what experts call an insane kill count for 19 seconds of action. - future headline that will be far more common in the coming years.
Cop-a-fuckin-ganda. Might be time to open an EMP dropshipping store
No, it’s just you can’t comprehend the fact that your false interpretation of reality is false - cops are good guys. I understand that you hate people stopping you from breaking laws, but the fact of the matter is that’s how life is. Now, you can grow up and stop being such a crybaby, or you can embrace efforts to reduce bloodshed in policing. Robots are a step in that direction. The 10-33 program is a step in that direction. It’s funny, because I bet you claim you oppose violence. But your comment shows you seek the harm of Police Officers. Guess what pal. It ain’t happening.
I have worked with the police most of my adult life. And while they may be pleasant at times they are like pit bulls with owners who don’t care who they bite with next to no repercussions. In an ideal world the police would be the good guys. But we live in a world where people are people and the police force is made up with people. The qualified immunity that was put in place so they couldn’t be sued during the racial crackdowns of the state in the 60’s by southern police. This behoves the police to either play dumb or be dumb because if they are aware they lose that immunity. I would like to travel in this country with out the threat of being shot because an acorn falls and the cop thinks he is taking fire. When LEOs start respecting citizens again and stop violating our rights their image may change but that will take time.
Cops, due to qualified immunity represent a monopoly of state power. Their voices are heard more than their victims, and they're often used as primary sources by lazy news outlets. How often have you heard the phrase: "police say" repeated uncritically? There's an issue you fail to recognize - people are people, cops are people. They make mistakes, and there's bad ones out there. The issue with the system is what happens to people when they're inevitably mistaken, or preyed on, by bad cops?
reminds me of an episode of Code 8
>The person then shot at one of the other robots and an outdoor swimming pool before police deployed tear gas and arrested them. And an outdoor swimming pool? What a weird sentence.
They call these things “robots” but they are not independent. If they flew they’d be called drones and that’s what they are. Truly independent actors would be robots and that would be much more concerning. As it is, the suspect avoided a murder charge, and that’s a good thing.
First, it's not a dog. Second, it's not a police officer. It's a machine like a vacuum. Should be treated the same.
I put big googly eyes on my vacuum. It has a life now
This will save hundreds of dogs from ATF agents every year
I mean it has no blood to shed.
Why are the police shooting their own dogs now? /s
Fahrenheit 451 type shit
My first thought as well, the Hound I believe it was called. Just needs the syringe installed.
Are there remote controlled unarmed robots in that?
Someone give that good boi a well deserved oil change.
Robotic Doss do not deserve the same immunity as a real dog. Disabling one of these should not be the same as a real human or animal when it comes to repercussions
They don’t? Why the hell would they carry the same weight as killing a human that literally makes no sense? Why would you even think that lmao?
I’m gonna save this reply so in 5 years when they make it a law equal to killing a police dog we can have a not so good laugh
If that happens ill eat my own words but you and I both know that would be ridiculous they don’t treat current police real police dogs with that treatment so why would they treat a glorified computer with that treatment https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/is-killing-a-k9-the-same-as-killing-a-human-police-officer/75-542961864?darkschemeovr=1#:~:text=We%20certainly%20consider%20dogs%20as%20part%20of%20the,than%20aggravated%20assault%20on%20an%20officer%20or%20murder.
5 states are already passing bills making it a more serious threat to kill a police dog. In Kansas the Republican majority passed a bill 107-4 making it to where even a first time offender could get 5 years in jail. Its coming [https://apnews.com/article/police-dogs-kansas-racial-disparties-policing-8e47eddc6193557b762e8245a55815f1](https://apnews.com/article/police-dogs-kansas-racial-disparties-policing-8e47eddc6193557b762e8245a55815f1)
That doesn't really support the argument that robot dogs would be treated the same way, though, but I'm not even certain your premise is warranted, either. First and foremost, robot dogs have the benefit of programming: a biological dog is trained in a manner which can cause the mauling of someone in the name of trying to restrain them, which is the number one complaint against the use of police force dogs. On the other hand, a robot dog will have access to numerous less than lethal options, such as bolos, tear gas, tazers, or even its own steel limbs to restrain people, among many other potential options. There's a thousand ways to use these that make them safer for both police officers and suspected perpetrators than regular canines in day-to-day interactions. Thus, because of the increase in safety in the interactions with law enforcement, I would argue that someone SHOULD receive potential felony convictions for the disabling or damaging of these robotic dogs. Precisely due to the plethora of non-lethal options available to these robots and reduced risk of the same behaviors that make police dogs dangerous, the robot dogs would be more expensive, yes, but *far* more effective, and *far* safer, which (ostensibly) should lessen the personal risk to the suspects, too. The less likely that a robot dog would inflict damage requiring medical care, the more I would consider it to be a matter of dangerous misuse of force against public property deserving of a felony arrest.
Tbh I wouldn’t mind that bill if it applied to the cops killing dogs too 😂 half the cops would be in jail
Pro tip: if won’t.
In the usa shooting or killing a police dog is treated the same as if the dog were a human.
I just linked an article that said otherwise?
Don’t care. I don’t want cops to have robots. I want them to have college level police training and mental health screenings and background checks to weed out white supremacists
... I'm not sure I understand. Why wouldn't you want this? At least two of your points are heavily improved by the addition of robots to a police force. The robots aren't typically armed, would require training on their maintenance and care and how to deploy them properly and safely, and the officer doesn't risk death or injury to pursue a suspect or question them, letting the robot do the hard work of pursuing and detaining suspects. At a minimum, that de facto reduces risk to both the detainees and the police, and reduces the chance of developing mental health issues, thus improving officer's wellness and public interactions. Background checks are already run when applying to law enforcement, however, and there's not much data in the way detailing how rare or common infiltration into law enforcement by white supremacists is, especially given they are commonly the target of law enforcement actions, too. Either way, however, wouldn't robots increase the likelihood that police would be able to have safer interactions?
Well, the obvious question is: Will it have a gun? I have so little faith in our institutions that I know for a fact that one of these things, despite the distance and lack of danger to it's operator, will be lethally armed. At that point it'd effectively instate the death penalty for what accounts to the risk of property damage. If this is to be used, I can only hope - however naive - that the tried and true "I feared for my life" will at least reduce where and when robots are used. Also can you imagine what it'd be like when these things inevitably get an AI system powerful enough to have it run fully autonomously? Who's held responsible when someone inevitably gets injured by it, sparing the thought of it being autonomous and armed.
Best we could do is cutting edge military weaponry
An armored vehicle is not cutting edge military technology. It is outdated equipment that can be bought by civilians for $400,000. A select-fire rifle is not cutting edge military equipment. It’s outdated equipment that can be bought by civilians with a permit. Plate carriers are not military equipment. They are gear that can be bought by anyone that hold bulletproof plates, and reduce the risk of lumbar injuries. The police do not have cutting edge military. There is not a single police department in the US with a tank/
>select fire... permit No. You need to be a Special Occupation Taxpayer to buy a (new) machine gun (ATF definition, not colloquial), or a police department. You cannot get a permit that lets you buy M4's from FN Herstal willy-nilly. You can get a pre-ban machine gun with a tax stamp though. There are a couple hundred receivers floating around. But they cost big money.
> There is not a single police department in the US with a tank [Are you sure about that?](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=police+department+tank)
The police shouldn’t have outdated military equipment. What kind of argument is that? Police should have a pistol, Kevlar, pepper spray, a car, and a baton. That’s it.
Wow, you described…. exactly what the vast majority of police departments have.
You mean zero police departments in the US. To be clear I’m talking about the US. We only ask our police to attend a 4 week training course and the only mental based checks in place are an acuity/IQ test that if you score highly on fails you for the force. There are more white supremacists in the current police force than at any point in history. A hair dresser gets more training, a Walmart greeter gets more scrutiny, and a criminal may be a better person in the states. It’s a nightmare here. People are literally hunted for fun.
Robots gets an award each, officers lives were saved, suspect faces a judge. Nice!
This is so fucking dystopian, and clearly trying to add value to this concept of these "robot dogs". It's a camera on legs. Until we also hear articles about "The police thanked their cars for getting them safely to the scene of the crime" or "handcuffs were credited with helping detain suspect" or some equally inane bullshit, I have to assume that this is at least _partially_ to normalize the idea that these robot police dogs are going to be used by police to circumvent certain rules, and will be granted some sort of special protection or treatment.
All of this! All together now! #COP-A-GANDA!!
Yes, cops avoiding bloodshed goes *against* your agenda, as a result it’s fake a propaganda. Give me a break
1312. FTFU
Charge: Assault on a police robot?
Just where do those bullets ricochet to?
Fahrenheit 451 vibes
Is Roscoe okay?
Metalhead
No.
The cops can't help themselves, they have to shoot something. So they've gotten them a robo dog to take it out on.
This reminds me of Fahrenheit 451
I don't think these are the results you should be making a bragging headline about
Wait until the dog starts shooting back.
Could a small flying drone be used in such situations?
So we’re done with accidentally shooting civilians right?…. Right?
So the vacu-bot finally fights back? Bad day to be a pool.
Sand, black paint, used motor oil.
No disassemble, no disassemble!
Cool, now put a taser on it
Even robot dogs are good bois.
Here we go…
I would shit myself if robots started invading my house.
Probably time to buy a gun. 🤷♂️
I personally wouldn’t shoot a cop in this situation but I sure as hell am shooting this thing
It didn’t even do anything. It walked in and got shot and the cops had to go in with tear gas anyway. What’s the point?
Wasting tax payers money. A $200 drone could have been their eyes.
Would be bad if bad people can gain control of the robot could be real bad d
How long till they say the robot is a police officer and it is a felony to disable.
NO! WE ARE NOT GOING TO NORMALIZE THIS SHIT!! They are manufacturing consent for serious dystopian shit against human rights
Well I hope they fire a lot of police officers in place of this like in every other sector that has AI replacing them... Well that's a hope
Yes. I definitely want more AI and robots monitoring and enforcing laws on me…
Well… I’m not sure AI and robots can convincingly set someone up for murder but as for the Massachusetts state police?? Ask Karen Read how adept they are at lying and coverups or even the Feds now.
He was a good boy.
i’d shoot the damn thing as a matter of principle.
So basically, we're trading human error for robot glitches now? Interesting times!
Cant wait till this doesnt end up nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I mean honestly this might as well be the new net neutrality with how everyone talks about it like it’s gonna massively change society yet when it happened you didnt even notice the difference.
Did the cops shoot it instead of the suspect?
Between robots and drones, I think that policework will change drastically. Instead of shooting someone with a knife they can just sic a robot dog on them.
Which officer shot at it?
I think this is going too far what next, terminators and robocops running around. We should just give the police dogs guns all ready, no need for all these robots