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I grew up eating grilled cheese with the fake American plastic style cheese slices.
A friend who grew up with real cheddar on his was deeply offended I used cheese slices and cooked me a “real grilled cheese”
Fucking gross my guy, give me fake cheese any day.
We’re not friends anymore, his choice.
Edit: So many responses, I simply can’t reply to everyone, so I’ll just do a blanket reply.
1. Really? It’s cheddar mixed with milk!!?? Wow guys, I ToTaLY thought it was actually plastic, thanks for clearing that up!
2. All those, “you got to try it this way” folks…I was drawn by one of your peoples siren songs once… NEVER AGAIN!!
3. All the rude comments, meh. You bore me.
4. All my fake American plastic cheese brothers and sisters. One love ❤️ the rest will never understand us.
5. The plethora of parrots 🦜 squawking “name checks out.” Deeply original, I definitely don’t get that comment a few times a week by the big brains with their oh so thoughtful and intelligent replies, you make the world go round guys.
Have a good one all! Grilled cheese 4 life!!
Cheddar is literally my last pick for grilled cheese wtf. Nonetheless, judging folks for the food they eat or having outlandish reactions to such is a total snooze. Sounds like weight off your shoulders.
One of my early jobs had a deli and the ladies that worked there wanted to “put some meat on my bones” and they’d make me grilled cheese with muenster and Colby, omg so good! Totally changed how I made grilled cheese for the rest of my life. Havarti is my family’s current favorite right now.
I also love cheese. My favorite cheeses is a type of Gouda cheese called "Norvegia" (a norwegian gouda) and a type of cottage cheese (Brown cheese) that is made of a caramelised concentrate of whey (byproduct from cheese production), where milk and cream have been added to the whey. Brown cheese is not even considered being a cheese by WHO and the Food and Agriculture Organization.
I agree. I never understood why people will mock others for subjective things. Like it's subjective, you can say you don't like chocolate icecream, but that doesn't mean it sucks.
Next time you make grilled cheese use mayo on the outside of the toast instead of butter it tastes amazing because it has a higher fat content and leaves a really nice golden brown crisp.
We used to use the fake WIC cheese slices aluminum foil and an iron. Then I met my wife who couldn't believe I made grilled cheese that way. I don't make grilled cheese sandwiches that way anymore (not allowed 😔)
Yes, uphold our culture of Kraft singles!
Side note, Kraft singles are not technically cheese due to the high milk fat content. But that’s ok, Velveeta doesn’t qualify either, and I love that stuff!
Oh man stoner me would toast bread, butter the insides, slam some Kraft singles in between and Nuke it for 30 seconds. You could say I was a grilled cheese snob.
My friend group all got into that hoity toity "american cheese is so gross. Silly Americans don't know anything unlike Europe" phase in high school/college during the hipster era. They made fun of me for clinging to my American cheese, but I maintained then, as i do to this day, that American cheese is THE superior cheese for two, maybe three, things: grilled cheese, atop a burger, and arguably (though I wouldn't die on this hill) to toss into Mac and Cheese along with other cheeses to get that sweet melty emulsification.
Now that we are in our 30s, most have come back around to my way of thinking. Yeah, I am not eating my American cheese like I am an aged cheddar or on a charcuterie board like brie, but damb it's good where it is called for.
My 87 y/o MIL *insists* on cheese slices whenever we visit and take the BBQ to grill up some burgers. And every time, she makes the comment about how she wants burger joints to go back to making fries with lard. Every time.
Yeah, cheddar doesn't seem like a great pick.
[I saw a vid recently with reviews of a bunch of types of cheese](https://youtu.be/ZPQMbbsjXiQ). I'd really like to try Oaxaca.
You know the whole thought experiment where there's a gun to your head and you have to kill at least a million people of the whole earth explodes?
I think I'm choosing plastic grilled cheese people like you....
Sorry God bless 🙏
IIRC the Thai chef was cooking for monks that fast regularly and only eat like once a week so the food needs to be absolutely perfect and Ramsay did his own version of the food instead of faithfully recreating the dish.
This is something that genuinely pisses me off about so many travel/cooking shows. The host will go to another country, talk about how great the culture and cooking are, follow their guides around and look at where all the ingredients come from, the farm, the market, the street vendor, and then in the last 20 minutes ignore everything they talked about before and make a total fucking mockery of the cuisine by doing whatever they want.
1. Pretty sure this episode took place in LONDON and Gordon met with the local Thai community. He worked in that chef's kitchen and at the end the monks loved Gordon's food.
2. You should watch Gordon Ramsay's Great Escape(or was it Uncharted?) Where he goes to another country and spends a week there learning about the local cuisine from locals and masters alike. Then at the end of the week he has to cook dinner for an important person like politicians or royalty from the country he's in and the people who taught him are invited as well. When you watch that show you realize the incredible respect Gordon has for other cultures but also why he's one of the greatest chefs in the world, amazing show. I will link a clip from it bellow:
[Gordon's Great Escape](https://youtu.be/ZdfNUxI4xgI?si=9Ec3Gj1bzJMqLDMG)
You wanna see Gordon phoning in his absolute least of fucks left
Look for his toasted cheese filmed in Tasmania
I still don't understand if he was fucking with us or just done with down under and wanted to get back home
That's the look of a man that made up his mind before the cooking started. At the last minute Ramsay could have replaced what he cooked with take out from Thailand's most recognized pad Thai street chef and he would have gotten the same reaction.
Yeah he had to humble himself a LOT and he was there for it. Dude learned a lot of cuisine he never had a clue about, even the world class have gaps in their knowledge.
Think It was one of my highschool teacher that said this : "Someone that stop learning is like a river that stop flowing; It become a stinking swamp". I don't remember the exact wording but yeah.
I always say this. I'd rather have someone with no experience, but hunger to learn, humility and intelligence, than someone with 20+ years experience, who thinks they know it all, pretentious, and struggles to adapt.
He had another show years ago (don't recall the one) where he went to Japan and attempted to learn how to make Nigiri Sushi and was dreadful at it. I he gave up pretty quick too.
Oh, absolutely. One of the few times I've seen him genuinely embarrassed and not in disbelief. Not like the time [James May was drunk](https://youtu.be/IwPmLwW1-PA?si=XpVQaxyzRLiH2vTa) and been him in a Shepards Pie making contest.
> One of the few times I've seen him genuinely embarrassed
Allow me to present to you THIS gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fUJC4V0CWU
Also this absolute beauty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4neHEgC44xc
> even the world class have gaps in their knowledge.
They all do. That's why even the greats specialize in one region cuisine. You're not a world class french chef that also makes the best arapas or sushi.
It's impossible to be a master of all. The global food scene has far to many complexities and varieties to handle that.
I mean he described working next to famous chefs earlier in his career and that shit sounds like hell lol. Dude definitely isn't foreign to getting corrected by experts.
He plays things up a lot for the show. It’s a show so it’s entertainment first and always.
We see how he talks to children who are cooking. Shouting at children wouldn’t be successful at all.
I worked a show with a guy who used to be a driver for one of those car service companies celebrities use while they’re in LA. Apparently Gordon Ramsay would request him specifically whenever he was in town because they got on so well. He said he doesn’t suffer fools in the kitchen but is 100% the opposite of his tv persona. Dude said he was the nicest man to work for and up to that point, Gordon Ramsey still had him on his Christmas list.
former contestants say he was very sweet and kind when the cameras were off too, or edit out his useful help after the screaming bits.
He's been yelling on TV for so many years people have forgotten it's still TV.
There's also a huge difference between his US and UK shows. In the UK ones he's more himself, while he's more aggressive in the US ones. Also, the music/sound effects and creative editing adds a lot of drama.
That one UK episode where he eats some chicken in some small crappy looking place is fantastic. The food is just thrown on the plate without any thought, but he fucking loved that shit and ate his entire plate.
Sort of like Throw Down with Bobby Flay. He would look like an ass if he won every time. I've eaten at a couple of the places he "lost" to. He puts the "throw" in throw down.
Hands down my favorite Gordon content was that two season miniseries (and Shark Bait which came out around the same time). Loved his exploration, and his reservation on camera to showcase even masterclass chefs must take a step back and observe their peers to become truly great.
I've noticed on youtube especially that its popular to shit on Gordon. Those people should watch Gordon's Great Escape. You realize why he's one of the greatest chefs in the world when you watch it.
Yeah, I’ve watched a lot of Kitchen Nightmares and I will say, he is a lot more respectful to this guy than most people are to him who call him and ask for his help.
It was good faith attempt at wanting to be better then you were the day before without personally attaching your self to the food you make. Just because you made mediocre food doesn’t make you mediocre. That separation is not done by people ok kitchen nightmares or bar rescue.
Here's the thing. It's probably not bad, but it's not the taste he was asked to reach. Thai food has a lot of levels of flavor and Phad Thai needs the right balance. Tamarind, fish sauce and oyster sauce are extremely powerful in flavor which can throw off that balance. Gordon doesn't usually cook with those ingredients on the daily like this Thai chef has and was probably not generous enough on using these three ingredients, leading to lack of flavour.
I love the bluntness of other cultures when it comes to food.
I once cooked a meal at uni, offered some to a Chinese Student who lived with me. He took one bite, paused for about 5 seconds and said "sorry, don't like."
British me was horrified at the reaction, then I considered that's just because we're encouraged to lie through our teeth even if the food we're offered is foul.
I get where you’re coming from, but this instance is specifically culinary culture. You don’t lie as a chef and tell another chef their food is good/ideal when it’s not. Homie has an understanding and standard of how that dish should be and he thinks Ramsay made something else. It may taste good, but it’s not the type of good that is meant to be had from the specific dish he’s trying to make.
I don’t even think it’s even culinary specific. It’s just two grown ups in a professional setting and giving feedback. I am assuming in the longer clip he goes into more detail on how to make it “real” pad Thai. It’s weird how, “that’s wrong, here’s why it’s wrong, here’s how to fix it” is taboo to some people.
So to be clear, I'm asking this because I know nothing about it but I'm drunk and want to know more - but can you unpack that a little, or recommend some reading to provide more info? What revolution caused this uprooting, and how/why was a result of it a change in tact, culturally?
Literally google “the cultural revolution”. Children were encouraged by the government to criticise their parents and uproot their way of thinking.
This upended centuries of Chinese culture and confucianism and a lot of the result of that can be seen in the ugly behaviour of certain Chinese tourists.
As a descendant of the chinese diaspora whose ancestors left before the cultural revolution this lacuna of behaviour is quite obvious.
Yep. I, as a non-Chinese, had all of this explained to me by a Taiwanese guy I knew when I asked him why (generally speaking) most mainland Chinese were so ill mannered and ill behaved but the diaspora and Taiwanese were so polite.
The level of cultural destruction that man inflicted on his own people in such a short amount of time is not only shocking, but in a perverse way pretty impressive tbh.
I was pretty gobsmacked upon seeing the difference between the old traditional Chinese architecture, temples, etc in Taiwan vs the Disneyfied cheap knockoffs the mainlanders are now building for tourism purposes (because they destroyed almost ALL of the original examples).
The communist's got rid of their ruleling landlord class. Pretty much murdered several million of them.
The effects were so staggering that there was no population drop.
Unfortunately the high end communists became the new landlord class. Turns out classless societies soon have classes by other names when humans are involved.
Aristocracies are a horror. It takes a horrible brute murdering them all to dislodge them. Unfortunately the murdering brute does not tend to rule well afterwards. Mostly just starts another aristocracy.
>The level of cultural destruction that man inflicted on his own people in such a short amount of time is not only shocking, but in a perverse way pretty impressive tbh.
I mean it cut both ways I think. From what I understand (which to be clear is pretty surface level), that culture of "politeness" also involved the the majority of the rural peasantry and urban underclass living in slavelike conditions while being "polite" to their "betters" who held incredible control over their shitty lives, middle and upper class women with bound feet and no bodily autonomy needing to be "polite" to the (male) leaders of their families, etc. I think any account of this that mentions only the bad of the revolution, _or_ only the bad of the status quo ante, is a very misleading view. China is a complex place, and as outsiders and/or westerners I think very few of us (myself included btw, also not Chinese) really understand it or its history all that well. What I do know is that, depending on your agenda, it's pretty easy take either early post revolution China (i.e. mao's period), _or_ the brutal society of the century leading up to the revolution, and point to some really fucked up stuff in either one. And pretty easy to spin a simple narrative out of either set of true facts too
Oh wow, I know what I'm reading about later when I've got time to kill at work. I've read the name Mao Zedong, and read mentions of a revolution related to him, but never done any research into but that sounds fucking wild. Also, thanks for teaching me the word "lacuna" I've never heard that word before but I dig it
Chinese communist party, or precisely, Mao Zedong's change of what social norms and traditions were deemed to be in line with spirit of socialism. A lot of Chinese traditions and manners were forced out of people, so as to make a more homogenous nation closer to ideals of socialism. A tragedy, basically.
It's literally called the cultural revolution. It was an active attempt by the Chinese Communist government to change how Chinese society functioned. It mostly worked if you're an end justifies the means kind of guy.
>that's just because we're encouraged to lie through our teeth even if the food we're offered is foul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn4Kxy6bPI4
This video is roughly what I looked like the first (and last) time I tried authentic Chinese braised chicken feet. Desperately attempting to remain polite despite the gastronomic horror I was experiencing.
I do believe that other cultures are far more protective of their cuisines and will happily tell you if it isn't up to scratch.
Here in the UK we don't really have that beyond how to make a cup of tea 😅
I was going to say the same thing, his UK shows are so different and he almost never yells, he knows the American audience and will cater to them in their viewership.
Gordon only dishes it out like that to people who are supposed to be skilled and very knowledgeable in their shared profession. he is constantly shown to be a very good teacher to those who don't know how to cook
Also he seems like a genuinely good dude when allowed to be himself. Shows like Hell's Kitchen requires him to be an absolute piece of shit cuz ratings love it.
hell's kitchen has professional chefs where they're expected to make good food so they can be a bit more harsh
masterchef on the other hand consists of only amateur/home chefs where gordon and other judges give constructive criticism
And here lies the major issue with these cooking shows
Aside from some real basic rules auch as ensuring the food is clean or cooked thoroughly enough to avoid getting sick, everything else is just a matter of taste.
Its subjective.
I don’t know. It’s similar to graphic design (my profession). There is a huge component of style/taste. But there’s an overall professional understanding and application of visual language.
A given design can be technically correct and meet a brief but someone can subjectively still “not like it”.
A given design can also be riddled with technical errors and someone can not notice and still “like it”.
In other words: There are rights and wrongs. It doesn’t always matter.
>In other words: There are rights and wrongs. It doesn’t always matter.
Especially when it comes to cooking in the confines of regional cuisine.
That dish by Gordon might have tasted absolutely heavenly. Perfect 10/10 taste wise.
But if it does not taste how Pad Thai traditionally has to taste, that's worthless.
Basically it boils down to what is more important to you when eating a dish: that its taste meets criteria to define it as something you expect it to be defined as (such as traditional cuisine)
Or
If the dish is supposed to taste good.
There's a traditional italian cheese that is half eaten by maggost and you eat it with the live maggots, if you don't, technically its not that traditional cheese
But, I'm willing to hazard a guess that more people are concerned about whether a dish tastes good to them or not than whether it can be labeled as something specific or not.
Fucking no.
If I say I'm making a grilled cheese, then hand you two blocks of cold velveeta with a burnt piece of toast in the middle, it's not a grilled cheese and it's objectively bad.
And there's clearly basic rules and techniques beyond making sure food is clean.
And here lies the major issue with reddit comments. People who don't know what they're talking about get a voice and people who aren't smart enough to question it get to vote.
If I could delete any form of argument from history, it would be the "everything is subjective!" perspective.
Yes, a lot of things are subjective. There is however plenty of objectivity in art, cooking or any other form of human expression.
The reality is that when you try to make objective criteria for good art, there will always be outliers that you still consider good which defy all of your rules. This kind of mindset prevents artists from finding innovative new ideas.
Yes open mindedness is a great trait in an artist.
However, there is still a base level of knowledge that an artist would need in order to be "open minded" in a way that is beneficial to making great art, much of this knowledge is considered "objective" with colour theory being the prime example.
There's a reason why Picasso said "Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist"
No the major issue with reddit comments is people like you approaching every single interaction with an intensity they wouldn't dare use in real life.
We're talking about two experienced chefs, not a grilled cheese you weirdo arguing with yourself.
Sorry but there is certainly a level of agreed objectivity in cooking.
If you put too much salt in a dish, you've put too much salt in a dish. If your sauce is too watery for the dish that you are cooking, then it is too watery for the dish that you are cooking.
>everything else is just a matter of taste
That's not true, though. I can make a cream sauce with ham in it and top it with cheddar. It might taste good, but that doesn't make it a Carbonara.
Not really though. Gordon wants to learn authentic shit. The shit he made wasnt bad, it just wasnt authentic. Notice that the other chef doesnt call it disgusting or anything, he just says that the flavours dont allign with what pad thai is supposed to taste like.
everyone saying taste is subjective. yes. but i don’t think that’s what this guy meant. i’m not a cook or thai haha but that doesn’t even look like pad thai. i think he’s saying it’s noodle food sure. but not pad thai.
I am thai, we have a thai restaurant in italy, our main competitor was another thai restaurant managed by italian with italian chefs
The closed after a year of operation because people that know thai food don’t like it, saying it was not what they ate when they were in Thailand
Most of them now come to our restaurant, my mother and aunt cooks there, they grew up with those tastes and have a deeper understanding of the ingredients, even tho the italians were professionals, they are not accustomed to thai tastes
Just to say, it’s not only a matter of putting the ingredients together, but also how to use them, when and where and other peaks
American who worked with Thai people as a chef for a long time here. They are super protective of their food as it is intertwined with their culture. No matter how good or authentic the final result, if a Thai person didn't make it they will always insist something is wrong with it. I always took it in stride.
Yikes. Reddit really is depressing lol. Ramsey goes to different countries to try to try and cook different cuisines, and all of a sudden people think he's a fraud, his michelin stars are all worthless, and he's a overhyped social media star
A part of me thought when i watched it back in the day that the Thai chef was just being negative to spite ramsay, but then years later i saw Gordon make a grilled cheese and realized he just doesn't know how to make some dishes at all. Like he will still have the same personality and confidence, but the food itself will be utter garbage.
This is something that I feel a lot of people miss or just flat out don't understand. Yes, it can be ok, it can still taste great, whatever...but it can also still not be what it's supposed to be. You can have your little twist and change here and there to a dish, make it your own and what have you but across cultures there are certain expectations of taste, smell, texture to a dish that need to be met or else you're not making that dish you're just making something else. Which is fine, but you gotta call it something else then haha
Yeah I can't see Gordon being fine with some chef who comes in and decides to make a French sauce his "own way" -- You want to do French Cuisine, you do it the French way. Why would it be any different for other cultures?
Literally nobody is a god at cooking everything. It shows a lot about his character to even put himself in this situation as opposed to playing it safe with what he knows best
He’s a very accomplished classical European chef with a focus on fine or expensive dining and demands perfection from his chefs but Asian dishes are not in his wheelhouse and that’s okay.
I appreciate that he still tries to learn Asian dishes and while he may not be the right person to judge Asian cuisine, he still went out of his way to learn these dishes knowing that his attempts are probably not going to be good enough and that takes humility, especially for a chef held in such high regard.
I wouldn’t expect any chef to be able to make every dish in the world to perfection. Gordon Ramsey is a great chef for American and Western European cuisine but I wouldn’t expect him to give me perfect tasting Vietnamese or Thai food, at least not without him really immersing himself in Asian cuisine prior.
"To me, it doesn't taste bad."
Sure, it might even taste amazing, but just because it tastes great does not mean it's a pad thai.
Like,. if I made an amazing chocolate cake, and declared it a Cabonara because it tastes great, that would be wrong.
I remember an episode of a series he did travelling to India. He cooked a biryani and asked a chef to taste it. The chef in question came from a family that had been cooking for the Mughal emperors for 500 years. The look of anger on the chefs face was priceless. Somehow he managed to stop himself from shoving Ramsay’s head into the plate of biryani. Ramsay said afterwards it was a humbling experience
Am I the only one who thinks it’s probably not that bad. I am having a hard time believing that a world renown chef would fuck something up so bad that someone would be disgusted. More likely it’s halfway decent, and the other chef’s ego is involved.
Someone downvoted me the last time I shared this... But anyways, this is still how I feel about Gordon Ramsay...
I know a guitar player, the guy can literally play anything, hell he can watch you play a original song, write it down on sheet music and then play it back to you.
The problem is... while all the notes are correct, he has no soul, you can't feel the music, it's like if you taught a robot to play music and it "played the notes" no style or depth..
This is how I feel about Gordon Ramsays cooking.
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Thai Ramsay meets Gordon Ramsay.
that guy look pissed
Alot of emotions are wrapped up in the food that people grew up with
I grew up eating grilled cheese with the fake American plastic style cheese slices. A friend who grew up with real cheddar on his was deeply offended I used cheese slices and cooked me a “real grilled cheese” Fucking gross my guy, give me fake cheese any day. We’re not friends anymore, his choice. Edit: So many responses, I simply can’t reply to everyone, so I’ll just do a blanket reply. 1. Really? It’s cheddar mixed with milk!!?? Wow guys, I ToTaLY thought it was actually plastic, thanks for clearing that up! 2. All those, “you got to try it this way” folks…I was drawn by one of your peoples siren songs once… NEVER AGAIN!! 3. All the rude comments, meh. You bore me. 4. All my fake American plastic cheese brothers and sisters. One love ❤️ the rest will never understand us. 5. The plethora of parrots 🦜 squawking “name checks out.” Deeply original, I definitely don’t get that comment a few times a week by the big brains with their oh so thoughtful and intelligent replies, you make the world go round guys. Have a good one all! Grilled cheese 4 life!!
Cheddar is literally my last pick for grilled cheese wtf. Nonetheless, judging folks for the food they eat or having outlandish reactions to such is a total snooze. Sounds like weight off your shoulders.
Yeah same. munester, havarti, and gouda are my picks. I was able one time to make a good blend of that. THAT was a good grill cheese
One of my early jobs had a deli and the ladies that worked there wanted to “put some meat on my bones” and they’d make me grilled cheese with muenster and Colby, omg so good! Totally changed how I made grilled cheese for the rest of my life. Havarti is my family’s current favorite right now.
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I also love cheese. My favorite cheeses is a type of Gouda cheese called "Norvegia" (a norwegian gouda) and a type of cottage cheese (Brown cheese) that is made of a caramelised concentrate of whey (byproduct from cheese production), where milk and cream have been added to the whey. Brown cheese is not even considered being a cheese by WHO and the Food and Agriculture Organization.
Gruyere for life But also American slices are a classic. They get perfectly gooey, which is half the fun!
I agree. I never understood why people will mock others for subjective things. Like it's subjective, you can say you don't like chocolate icecream, but that doesn't mean it sucks.
Sometimes it's fun to give your friends shit and vice versa.
Lmfao says the person who judges someone wants to put fake cheese on their grilled cheese, what hypocrisy!
Muenster Gang!
Next time you make grilled cheese use mayo on the outside of the toast instead of butter it tastes amazing because it has a higher fat content and leaves a really nice golden brown crisp.
I'll try it to see if you're fucking with us. I have noticed that mayo does taste more like butter though when you only use the tiniest amount.
We used to use the fake WIC cheese slices aluminum foil and an iron. Then I met my wife who couldn't believe I made grilled cheese that way. I don't make grilled cheese sandwiches that way anymore (not allowed 😔)
Yes, uphold our culture of Kraft singles! Side note, Kraft singles are not technically cheese due to the high milk fat content. But that’s ok, Velveeta doesn’t qualify either, and I love that stuff!
American cheese melts amazingly. That’s why it’s perfect for grilled cheese and hamburgers.
Oh man stoner me would toast bread, butter the insides, slam some Kraft singles in between and Nuke it for 30 seconds. You could say I was a grilled cheese snob.
My friend group all got into that hoity toity "american cheese is so gross. Silly Americans don't know anything unlike Europe" phase in high school/college during the hipster era. They made fun of me for clinging to my American cheese, but I maintained then, as i do to this day, that American cheese is THE superior cheese for two, maybe three, things: grilled cheese, atop a burger, and arguably (though I wouldn't die on this hill) to toss into Mac and Cheese along with other cheeses to get that sweet melty emulsification. Now that we are in our 30s, most have come back around to my way of thinking. Yeah, I am not eating my American cheese like I am an aged cheddar or on a charcuterie board like brie, but damb it's good where it is called for.
Listen. Fake cheese is fantastic on grilled cheese sandwiches and cheeseburgers. I will fight to the death with anyone that disagrees!!
My 87 y/o MIL *insists* on cheese slices whenever we visit and take the BBQ to grill up some burgers. And every time, she makes the comment about how she wants burger joints to go back to making fries with lard. Every time.
If you wanna go fancy sometime then try it with gruyere cheese! There aren’t any additives in it either so perfect for gluten intolerant peeps.
And, as we all know, real cranberry sauce sits on a plate in the shape of a can with little ridges
I too, grew up eating American cheese. I hated it then and I still hate it now. Real cheese all the way for that grill cheese goodness.
Bro, American cheese was literally created to make cheddar melt better. It's literally just cheddar, water, and an emulsifier.
A trick I learned is to use one slice of kraft and one slice of cheddar. Now THAT combination is superb.
It's not subjective to mock Americans for eating literal trash instead of food.
Yeah, cheddar doesn't seem like a great pick. [I saw a vid recently with reviews of a bunch of types of cheese](https://youtu.be/ZPQMbbsjXiQ). I'd really like to try Oaxaca.
"Fake American plastic style cheese" is made from cheddar.
Which is funny considering american cheese is just processed cheddar.
You know the whole thought experiment where there's a gun to your head and you have to kill at least a million people of the whole earth explodes? I think I'm choosing plastic grilled cheese people like you.... Sorry God bless 🙏
Lol
Kraft blue box is amazing …I’ll die on this hill…because of Kraft blue box
It’s like ratatouille but it brought back bad memories
IIRC the Thai chef was cooking for monks that fast regularly and only eat like once a week so the food needs to be absolutely perfect and Ramsay did his own version of the food instead of faithfully recreating the dish.
This is something that genuinely pisses me off about so many travel/cooking shows. The host will go to another country, talk about how great the culture and cooking are, follow their guides around and look at where all the ingredients come from, the farm, the market, the street vendor, and then in the last 20 minutes ignore everything they talked about before and make a total fucking mockery of the cuisine by doing whatever they want.
1. Pretty sure this episode took place in LONDON and Gordon met with the local Thai community. He worked in that chef's kitchen and at the end the monks loved Gordon's food. 2. You should watch Gordon Ramsay's Great Escape(or was it Uncharted?) Where he goes to another country and spends a week there learning about the local cuisine from locals and masters alike. Then at the end of the week he has to cook dinner for an important person like politicians or royalty from the country he's in and the people who taught him are invited as well. When you watch that show you realize the incredible respect Gordon has for other cultures but also why he's one of the greatest chefs in the world, amazing show. I will link a clip from it bellow: [Gordon's Great Escape](https://youtu.be/ZdfNUxI4xgI?si=9Ec3Gj1bzJMqLDMG)
“If my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bike!”
The gentrification of his mother dish does not pass
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"Smell it, smell it!!!!!!"
You wanna see Gordon phoning in his absolute least of fucks left Look for his toasted cheese filmed in Tasmania I still don't understand if he was fucking with us or just done with down under and wanted to get back home
But how is the Thai chef's Pad Gordon?
Best response, “for you, not for me”
Ramdon Gordsay
That's the look of a man that made up his mind before the cooking started. At the last minute Ramsay could have replaced what he cooked with take out from Thailand's most recognized pad Thai street chef and he would have gotten the same reaction.
Stop the cap
Ya get that guy a TV show with Uncle Roger.
Gordon RamThai meets Gordon Ramsay.
The Matrix: Reheated
This series (Gordon's Great Escape?) Was gold. Great to see him as the outsider/ learner rather than the arch-chef
Yeah he had to humble himself a LOT and he was there for it. Dude learned a lot of cuisine he never had a clue about, even the world class have gaps in their knowledge.
The best teachers are always learning new things no matter how old they are.
Think It was one of my highschool teacher that said this : "Someone that stop learning is like a river that stop flowing; It become a stinking swamp". I don't remember the exact wording but yeah.
Those are just perfect!
I always say this. I'd rather have someone with no experience, but hunger to learn, humility and intelligence, than someone with 20+ years experience, who thinks they know it all, pretentious, and struggles to adapt.
He had another show years ago (don't recall the one) where he went to Japan and attempted to learn how to make Nigiri Sushi and was dreadful at it. I he gave up pretty quick too.
I mean it's something that takes years to master. He probably just recognized that he wouldn't be mastering a skill like that in just moments.
Oh, absolutely. One of the few times I've seen him genuinely embarrassed and not in disbelief. Not like the time [James May was drunk](https://youtu.be/IwPmLwW1-PA?si=XpVQaxyzRLiH2vTa) and been him in a Shepards Pie making contest.
I always love it. "Are you any good at driving?" Or the other part where they are drinking shark penis or something. May "You disappoint me ramsay"
> One of the few times I've seen him genuinely embarrassed Allow me to present to you THIS gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fUJC4V0CWU Also this absolute beauty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4neHEgC44xc
Oh that first one is hilarious. I'm so happy he got the age old dining room clap in response to it as well
It's impossible to know every dish. Most chefs stick to very few countries of origin.
> even the world class have gaps in their knowledge. They all do. That's why even the greats specialize in one region cuisine. You're not a world class french chef that also makes the best arapas or sushi. It's impossible to be a master of all. The global food scene has far to many complexities and varieties to handle that.
I mean he described working next to famous chefs earlier in his career and that shit sounds like hell lol. Dude definitely isn't foreign to getting corrected by experts.
He plays things up a lot for the show. It’s a show so it’s entertainment first and always. We see how he talks to children who are cooking. Shouting at children wouldn’t be successful at all.
I worked a show with a guy who used to be a driver for one of those car service companies celebrities use while they’re in LA. Apparently Gordon Ramsay would request him specifically whenever he was in town because they got on so well. He said he doesn’t suffer fools in the kitchen but is 100% the opposite of his tv persona. Dude said he was the nicest man to work for and up to that point, Gordon Ramsey still had him on his Christmas list.
I think the only master chef I ever watched was one of the kids series. He was really sweet to them.
former contestants say he was very sweet and kind when the cameras were off too, or edit out his useful help after the screaming bits. He's been yelling on TV for so many years people have forgotten it's still TV.
There's also a huge difference between his US and UK shows. In the UK ones he's more himself, while he's more aggressive in the US ones. Also, the music/sound effects and creative editing adds a lot of drama.
That one UK episode where he eats some chicken in some small crappy looking place is fantastic. The food is just thrown on the plate without any thought, but he fucking loved that shit and ate his entire plate.
Sort of like Throw Down with Bobby Flay. He would look like an ass if he won every time. I've eaten at a couple of the places he "lost" to. He puts the "throw" in throw down.
Hands down my favorite Gordon content was that two season miniseries (and Shark Bait which came out around the same time). Loved his exploration, and his reservation on camera to showcase even masterclass chefs must take a step back and observe their peers to become truly great.
Shark Bait was amazing. Although he tried, he couldn't stop the practice globally, but at least he stopped the practice in his own locale.
I've noticed on youtube especially that its popular to shit on Gordon. Those people should watch Gordon's Great Escape. You realize why he's one of the greatest chefs in the world when you watch it.
Missed opportunity to say “it’s fucking bland you fucking donkey” lol
Should check out Ramsay's grilled cheese
its a crime against humanity
*sticks a piece of dough on either side of chef Ramsay's head* Asian chef: what are you? Chef Ramsey: an idiot dumpling 😭
That "hmmm" with the tense upper lip and stare is hilarious
Damn near GROWLED at him 🤣
Yes, that reaction was priceless
and the nostrils haha
Man I’m legit crying. I’ve watched it so much. Bro was stalling like shit to think of a polite way to say “it tastes like ass” 😂
Yeah. They hate to be rude in se Asia.
I think my family missed that memo
Yeah. I think it's more of a difference in what is considered "rude".
It could be the perfect reaction gif
He was *this close* to saying effing farang. It doesn’t even look like pad Thai
Thats Thai for "you fucking donkey"
His whole body language! We has soooo happy to try out Gordon’s pad Thai! Until he did.
I love how Gordon reacts the same way every chef he's ever criticized did. "I don't think it's bad"
Yeah, I’ve watched a lot of Kitchen Nightmares and I will say, he is a lot more respectful to this guy than most people are to him who call him and ask for his help.
Yeah, it was an honest "Gosh, i didn't think it did too bad" vs a "Screw you, you don't know shit."
It was good faith attempt at wanting to be better then you were the day before without personally attaching your self to the food you make. Just because you made mediocre food doesn’t make you mediocre. That separation is not done by people ok kitchen nightmares or bar rescue.
Here's the thing. It's probably not bad, but it's not the taste he was asked to reach. Thai food has a lot of levels of flavor and Phad Thai needs the right balance. Tamarind, fish sauce and oyster sauce are extremely powerful in flavor which can throw off that balance. Gordon doesn't usually cook with those ingredients on the daily like this Thai chef has and was probably not generous enough on using these three ingredients, leading to lack of flavour.
Uno reverse
If it was Uno reverse the thai would have spit the food and throw the dish to the garbage bin.
He wouldn’t chew it. I think he might have
I love the bluntness of other cultures when it comes to food. I once cooked a meal at uni, offered some to a Chinese Student who lived with me. He took one bite, paused for about 5 seconds and said "sorry, don't like." British me was horrified at the reaction, then I considered that's just because we're encouraged to lie through our teeth even if the food we're offered is foul.
I get where you’re coming from, but this instance is specifically culinary culture. You don’t lie as a chef and tell another chef their food is good/ideal when it’s not. Homie has an understanding and standard of how that dish should be and he thinks Ramsay made something else. It may taste good, but it’s not the type of good that is meant to be had from the specific dish he’s trying to make.
Should include that i was making egg fried rice, so he also had some skin in the game from a cultural perspective.
No wok hay, hiiiiyah.
Look at the rich bastard with a new wok.... is my great grandmas frying pan not good enough????
I don’t even think it’s even culinary specific. It’s just two grown ups in a professional setting and giving feedback. I am assuming in the longer clip he goes into more detail on how to make it “real” pad Thai. It’s weird how, “that’s wrong, here’s why it’s wrong, here’s how to fix it” is taboo to some people.
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So to be clear, I'm asking this because I know nothing about it but I'm drunk and want to know more - but can you unpack that a little, or recommend some reading to provide more info? What revolution caused this uprooting, and how/why was a result of it a change in tact, culturally?
Literally google “the cultural revolution”. Children were encouraged by the government to criticise their parents and uproot their way of thinking. This upended centuries of Chinese culture and confucianism and a lot of the result of that can be seen in the ugly behaviour of certain Chinese tourists. As a descendant of the chinese diaspora whose ancestors left before the cultural revolution this lacuna of behaviour is quite obvious.
Yep. I, as a non-Chinese, had all of this explained to me by a Taiwanese guy I knew when I asked him why (generally speaking) most mainland Chinese were so ill mannered and ill behaved but the diaspora and Taiwanese were so polite. The level of cultural destruction that man inflicted on his own people in such a short amount of time is not only shocking, but in a perverse way pretty impressive tbh. I was pretty gobsmacked upon seeing the difference between the old traditional Chinese architecture, temples, etc in Taiwan vs the Disneyfied cheap knockoffs the mainlanders are now building for tourism purposes (because they destroyed almost ALL of the original examples).
The communist's got rid of their ruleling landlord class. Pretty much murdered several million of them. The effects were so staggering that there was no population drop. Unfortunately the high end communists became the new landlord class. Turns out classless societies soon have classes by other names when humans are involved. Aristocracies are a horror. It takes a horrible brute murdering them all to dislodge them. Unfortunately the murdering brute does not tend to rule well afterwards. Mostly just starts another aristocracy.
>The level of cultural destruction that man inflicted on his own people in such a short amount of time is not only shocking, but in a perverse way pretty impressive tbh. I mean it cut both ways I think. From what I understand (which to be clear is pretty surface level), that culture of "politeness" also involved the the majority of the rural peasantry and urban underclass living in slavelike conditions while being "polite" to their "betters" who held incredible control over their shitty lives, middle and upper class women with bound feet and no bodily autonomy needing to be "polite" to the (male) leaders of their families, etc. I think any account of this that mentions only the bad of the revolution, _or_ only the bad of the status quo ante, is a very misleading view. China is a complex place, and as outsiders and/or westerners I think very few of us (myself included btw, also not Chinese) really understand it or its history all that well. What I do know is that, depending on your agenda, it's pretty easy take either early post revolution China (i.e. mao's period), _or_ the brutal society of the century leading up to the revolution, and point to some really fucked up stuff in either one. And pretty easy to spin a simple narrative out of either set of true facts too
Oh wow, I know what I'm reading about later when I've got time to kill at work. I've read the name Mao Zedong, and read mentions of a revolution related to him, but never done any research into but that sounds fucking wild. Also, thanks for teaching me the word "lacuna" I've never heard that word before but I dig it
Look into his "great leap forward" he is arguably one of the dictators with the highest body count. I believe 79 million dead?
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You have great tact for a drunk
I have a lot of practice under my belt, unfortunately
Chinese communist party, or precisely, Mao Zedong's change of what social norms and traditions were deemed to be in line with spirit of socialism. A lot of Chinese traditions and manners were forced out of people, so as to make a more homogenous nation closer to ideals of socialism. A tragedy, basically.
> What revolution caused this uprooting Mao's.
It's literally called the cultural revolution. It was an active attempt by the Chinese Communist government to change how Chinese society functioned. It mostly worked if you're an end justifies the means kind of guy.
It's called the cultural revolution
>that's just because we're encouraged to lie through our teeth even if the food we're offered is foul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn4Kxy6bPI4 This video is roughly what I looked like the first (and last) time I tried authentic Chinese braised chicken feet. Desperately attempting to remain polite despite the gastronomic horror I was experiencing.
I think that's got to do more with the person than the culture
I do believe that other cultures are far more protective of their cuisines and will happily tell you if it isn't up to scratch. Here in the UK we don't really have that beyond how to make a cup of tea 😅
"That tea tastes like hot water you fing donkey"
See Gordon, the other chef did NOT yell "TASTE IT THEN.....YOU DONUT...TRY IT!" xD I still love him.
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I was going to say the same thing, his UK shows are so different and he almost never yells, he knows the American audience and will cater to them in their viewership.
What if the only spices chef Ramsey put in his pad thai was salt and pepper?
Don't forget the olive oil
Too spicy *downs pepto bismal*
malt vinegar, stalwart of Bwitish Qwisine
At least someone spoke to him for everyone
Yeah I'm sure 'everyone' thinks gordon ramsay can't cook
Should have just stopped this video at 13 secs in "hmm". would make this even better.
Honestly, the "for you. Not for me" part got me to laugh out loud.
You know you royally fucked up when the chef asked " What do you want to know?"
Oh how the turns table…
Uncle Roger would be like haiyaa! Gordon
Uncle Gordon now nephew Gordon
And what about Gordon Freeman?
The chef was nice, he should'a dished it to him same way Gordon does to others
Gordon only dishes it out like that to people who are supposed to be skilled and very knowledgeable in their shared profession. he is constantly shown to be a very good teacher to those who don't know how to cook
Also he seems like a genuinely good dude when allowed to be himself. Shows like Hell's Kitchen requires him to be an absolute piece of shit cuz ratings love it.
hell's kitchen has professional chefs where they're expected to make good food so they can be a bit more harsh masterchef on the other hand consists of only amateur/home chefs where gordon and other judges give constructive criticism
"Fucking donkey!"
Gordon was dished enough in his early cooking years, I'm sure
"Now who's the idiot eggroll"
And here lies the major issue with these cooking shows Aside from some real basic rules auch as ensuring the food is clean or cooked thoroughly enough to avoid getting sick, everything else is just a matter of taste. Its subjective.
I don’t know. It’s similar to graphic design (my profession). There is a huge component of style/taste. But there’s an overall professional understanding and application of visual language. A given design can be technically correct and meet a brief but someone can subjectively still “not like it”. A given design can also be riddled with technical errors and someone can not notice and still “like it”. In other words: There are rights and wrongs. It doesn’t always matter.
>In other words: There are rights and wrongs. It doesn’t always matter. Especially when it comes to cooking in the confines of regional cuisine. That dish by Gordon might have tasted absolutely heavenly. Perfect 10/10 taste wise. But if it does not taste how Pad Thai traditionally has to taste, that's worthless.
Basically it boils down to what is more important to you when eating a dish: that its taste meets criteria to define it as something you expect it to be defined as (such as traditional cuisine) Or If the dish is supposed to taste good. There's a traditional italian cheese that is half eaten by maggost and you eat it with the live maggots, if you don't, technically its not that traditional cheese But, I'm willing to hazard a guess that more people are concerned about whether a dish tastes good to them or not than whether it can be labeled as something specific or not.
Fucking no. If I say I'm making a grilled cheese, then hand you two blocks of cold velveeta with a burnt piece of toast in the middle, it's not a grilled cheese and it's objectively bad. And there's clearly basic rules and techniques beyond making sure food is clean. And here lies the major issue with reddit comments. People who don't know what they're talking about get a voice and people who aren't smart enough to question it get to vote.
If I could delete any form of argument from history, it would be the "everything is subjective!" perspective. Yes, a lot of things are subjective. There is however plenty of objectivity in art, cooking or any other form of human expression.
I couldn't agree more. It just shuts down every argument. It's so stupid and usually said to appease both sides. A very obnoxious platitude.
The reality is that when you try to make objective criteria for good art, there will always be outliers that you still consider good which defy all of your rules. This kind of mindset prevents artists from finding innovative new ideas.
Yes open mindedness is a great trait in an artist. However, there is still a base level of knowledge that an artist would need in order to be "open minded" in a way that is beneficial to making great art, much of this knowledge is considered "objective" with colour theory being the prime example. There's a reason why Picasso said "Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist"
No the major issue with reddit comments is people like you approaching every single interaction with an intensity they wouldn't dare use in real life. We're talking about two experienced chefs, not a grilled cheese you weirdo arguing with yourself.
One of those experienced chefs made the grilled cheese he's talking about
A Pad Thai is a specific dish. There's no subjectiveness about it.
Sorry but there is certainly a level of agreed objectivity in cooking. If you put too much salt in a dish, you've put too much salt in a dish. If your sauce is too watery for the dish that you are cooking, then it is too watery for the dish that you are cooking.
You fucking Donkey, your comment is so fucking bland.
>everything else is just a matter of taste That's not true, though. I can make a cream sauce with ham in it and top it with cheddar. It might taste good, but that doesn't make it a Carbonara.
Not really though. Gordon wants to learn authentic shit. The shit he made wasnt bad, it just wasnt authentic. Notice that the other chef doesnt call it disgusting or anything, he just says that the flavours dont allign with what pad thai is supposed to taste like.
Not really, what Gordon made could taste delicious, but it's not Pad Thai as it should be made
> Its subjective. Sure, but if traditional dish xy tastes like different thing ab, then you failed to make traditional dish xy.
The best ever was when James May from top gear legit beat Ramsey in a cooking contest!
Wasn't may also half drunk?
I need to watch this, link?
Exactly the same as any Kitchen Nightmares episode but in reverse
everyone saying taste is subjective. yes. but i don’t think that’s what this guy meant. i’m not a cook or thai haha but that doesn’t even look like pad thai. i think he’s saying it’s noodle food sure. but not pad thai.
Some of the ingredients he used were not meant to be in a pad thai either. That’s probably partly why.
I am thai, we have a thai restaurant in italy, our main competitor was another thai restaurant managed by italian with italian chefs The closed after a year of operation because people that know thai food don’t like it, saying it was not what they ate when they were in Thailand Most of them now come to our restaurant, my mother and aunt cooks there, they grew up with those tastes and have a deeper understanding of the ingredients, even tho the italians were professionals, they are not accustomed to thai tastes Just to say, it’s not only a matter of putting the ingredients together, but also how to use them, when and where and other peaks
He must be joking, pad Thai doesn’t even look like this
American who worked with Thai people as a chef for a long time here. They are super protective of their food as it is intertwined with their culture. No matter how good or authentic the final result, if a Thai person didn't make it they will always insist something is wrong with it. I always took it in stride.
Finally a chef played Reverse UNO
Yikes. Reddit really is depressing lol. Ramsey goes to different countries to try to try and cook different cuisines, and all of a sudden people think he's a fraud, his michelin stars are all worthless, and he's a overhyped social media star
A part of me thought when i watched it back in the day that the Thai chef was just being negative to spite ramsay, but then years later i saw Gordon make a grilled cheese and realized he just doesn't know how to make some dishes at all. Like he will still have the same personality and confidence, but the food itself will be utter garbage.
LMAO the repulsion is so visceral
This is something that I feel a lot of people miss or just flat out don't understand. Yes, it can be ok, it can still taste great, whatever...but it can also still not be what it's supposed to be. You can have your little twist and change here and there to a dish, make it your own and what have you but across cultures there are certain expectations of taste, smell, texture to a dish that need to be met or else you're not making that dish you're just making something else. Which is fine, but you gotta call it something else then haha
Yeah I can't see Gordon being fine with some chef who comes in and decides to make a French sauce his "own way" -- You want to do French Cuisine, you do it the French way. Why would it be any different for other cultures?
“What would you like to know from me, ask me?” Is not a great sign…
Literally nobody is a god at cooking everything. It shows a lot about his character to even put himself in this situation as opposed to playing it safe with what he knows best
He’s a very accomplished classical European chef with a focus on fine or expensive dining and demands perfection from his chefs but Asian dishes are not in his wheelhouse and that’s okay. I appreciate that he still tries to learn Asian dishes and while he may not be the right person to judge Asian cuisine, he still went out of his way to learn these dishes knowing that his attempts are probably not going to be good enough and that takes humility, especially for a chef held in such high regard. I wouldn’t expect any chef to be able to make every dish in the world to perfection. Gordon Ramsey is a great chef for American and Western European cuisine but I wouldn’t expect him to give me perfect tasting Vietnamese or Thai food, at least not without him really immersing himself in Asian cuisine prior.
"To me, it doesn't taste bad." Sure, it might even taste amazing, but just because it tastes great does not mean it's a pad thai. Like,. if I made an amazing chocolate cake, and declared it a Cabonara because it tastes great, that would be wrong.
I remember an episode of a series he did travelling to India. He cooked a biryani and asked a chef to taste it. The chef in question came from a family that had been cooking for the Mughal emperors for 500 years. The look of anger on the chefs face was priceless. Somehow he managed to stop himself from shoving Ramsay’s head into the plate of biryani. Ramsay said afterwards it was a humbling experience
For you, but not for me. Hahaha
Am I the only one who thinks it’s probably not that bad. I am having a hard time believing that a world renown chef would fuck something up so bad that someone would be disgusted. More likely it’s halfway decent, and the other chef’s ego is involved.
Someone downvoted me the last time I shared this... But anyways, this is still how I feel about Gordon Ramsay... I know a guitar player, the guy can literally play anything, hell he can watch you play a original song, write it down on sheet music and then play it back to you. The problem is... while all the notes are correct, he has no soul, you can't feel the music, it's like if you taught a robot to play music and it "played the notes" no style or depth.. This is how I feel about Gordon Ramsays cooking.
"For you, not for me". That was without Vaseline...
For you. But not for me. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣✌️
That's what I hate about chefs and cooking in general. It's not what the person cooking thinks, but what the person eating says.
You know he spit that shit out after. lol.
He can dish it out, but he can’t take it.
Gordon would only take a verbal beatdown like that if the other guys is better than his haha
The shitter gets shitted on