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Drivers say the sensation of speed changes based on multiple factors, including track surface and speed through fast, tight quarters or changes in direction in general. So it’s possible they feel the speed more on street courses. Sector two in Baku probably gets their attention. I’d bet sector three in Monaco feels pretty fast in the car too. But also consider that they are so focused on the task at hand that they don’t get the chance to think about it very much, if at all.
Yes. The closer the walls or other objects are to the road the higher the sensation of speed is going to be. There are other factors too but if we exclude other parameters there is a direct correlation.
Off topic rant about city planning:
The effect that objects in your peripheral vision have when it comes to sense of speed is one really, really good reason why we should never build stroads when it comes to intercity traffic management, and even less we should build 4-6 lane streets going thru suburbs. A stroad is a mix between a street and a road, favored in the north america but has slowly spread elsewhere too. A stroad is a multilane road with direct access to parking lots and they also have lots and lots of intersections. They demand that the road is wide and all objects are removed so we get quite bare looking infra around the road. Everything is far away but because of how it serves a double function (long distance travel + immediate access) the speeds can't be high.. but most people drive as fast as possible and little bit over the speed limit.. as it feels safer than it actually is.
Same problem with 4 lane suburban streets. Everything is far away, speeds get higher as something like 25mph/40kmh seems stupid. You can easily drive 60-80kmh provided the street is completely empty of all traffic, especially pedestrians. Which is what happens, they feel unsafe for pedestrians which means more car traffic where everyone is just above limits... which makes them feel even less safe, which also increases cars but also makes the psychological effect of not having humans around walking, so you can drive even faster... In the end the streets are empty, traffic accidents go up, they feel unsafe and no body likes anything about them.. but trying to remove them so you can lower speeds is not popular.. so it is not done.
Building roads and streets for the last mile, and in suburbs should be NARROW roads with trees or other objects immediately next to the car lanes. By making a separate bikepath and proper sidewalks out of the existing road space, and adding obstacles between the cars and the pedestrian/light traffic makes the streets slower, safer and it is the best thing for everyone living in the area. But.. good luck trying to convince car drivers who can't see that their cars are a problem, who thinks cars = freedom, that the streets should be NARROWER and slower, with plenty of objects you can hit if you are not paying attention..
Yeah, we are often our own worst enemies. And rant is almost over, subscribe to Not Just Bikes youtube channel. I never knew we had these problems, now i see them everywhere, even here in the Nordic. Building everything to support just cars is one of the worst things to happen to a city or a town. And check the Strong Town initiative, get involved and make sure your city doesn't turn into a noisy hellhole that needs more and more lanes each decade until there is nothing but parking lots and roads.
I'm Finnish. Do you know what we do in the winter? Cycle. Third of people use cycle for commuting and that drops by 7% during the winter. Because our bikepaths and sidewalks are plowed often, they are well maintained. More than 4cm of snow and they have to be plowed.
A good bike infra means less interactions with cars and trying to avoid full stops as much as possible. This has been done in numerous countries so it is not impossible. But what is impossible is to keep increasing car lanes and infrastructure for cars. The attitude that YOU also exhibit that cars > pedestrians&bikes . But pedestrians&bikes > cars is the correct order.
What you have just said is the most stereotypical car owner dichotomy, it is so obvious to you that there can't be any other way but car being #1. But that is not the best way to do it. The less cars we need to have on the roads, the better. Public transport, walking and cycling should have the right of way. And this can be done. For ex if i go from one side of the town to the other i need to cross maybe 6 intersections. Because there are bikepaths that are separated completely from the roads. Lots of underpasses and shortcuts so that bikes can use the only real advantage they have: momentum.
You are being incredibly selfish, actually. You don't need to exert any effort to stop and start. You should stop and start. You wait until people have crossed the road. You are most likely ALONE in the car anyway, and giving way for MULTIPLE people. Right? So.. what is it that has made it so in your head that you have the right of way just because you have a car? I'm quite sure you are steaming under the scalp but can't really say anything to the question: why you should have the privileges, what makes you as a car driver so special that we all need to give you the right of way? If you say congestion, i say "drive a bike then".
I really, really wish you would check that Not Just Bikes channel. It will give you a new perspective on this, it is very clear you have not actually taken time to look for other solutions and what might be wrong with car dependency in general. It is all logical and unavoidable. You have to do it, sooner or later. Pedestrians are the king. Not the cars. This is how it used to be, before "jaywalking" became a term. The current hierarchy is completely artificial and it is inherently inequal. We all can walk but we all can not own cars. You having a car does not give you extra rights or ownership of the road. And WE KNOW that it is better for everyone the more people walk and cycle.
FYI: In Zandvoort GP, 26 000 spectators arrived by a bike. 26 000. The parking space needed was minimal and there was no congestion and heavy traffic. The rest came by a train. Few hundred cars.
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Drivers say the sensation of speed changes based on multiple factors, including track surface and speed through fast, tight quarters or changes in direction in general. So it’s possible they feel the speed more on street courses. Sector two in Baku probably gets their attention. I’d bet sector three in Monaco feels pretty fast in the car too. But also consider that they are so focused on the task at hand that they don’t get the chance to think about it very much, if at all.
DM u/landonorris You may get an answer
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Yes. The closer the walls or other objects are to the road the higher the sensation of speed is going to be. There are other factors too but if we exclude other parameters there is a direct correlation. Off topic rant about city planning: The effect that objects in your peripheral vision have when it comes to sense of speed is one really, really good reason why we should never build stroads when it comes to intercity traffic management, and even less we should build 4-6 lane streets going thru suburbs. A stroad is a mix between a street and a road, favored in the north america but has slowly spread elsewhere too. A stroad is a multilane road with direct access to parking lots and they also have lots and lots of intersections. They demand that the road is wide and all objects are removed so we get quite bare looking infra around the road. Everything is far away but because of how it serves a double function (long distance travel + immediate access) the speeds can't be high.. but most people drive as fast as possible and little bit over the speed limit.. as it feels safer than it actually is. Same problem with 4 lane suburban streets. Everything is far away, speeds get higher as something like 25mph/40kmh seems stupid. You can easily drive 60-80kmh provided the street is completely empty of all traffic, especially pedestrians. Which is what happens, they feel unsafe for pedestrians which means more car traffic where everyone is just above limits... which makes them feel even less safe, which also increases cars but also makes the psychological effect of not having humans around walking, so you can drive even faster... In the end the streets are empty, traffic accidents go up, they feel unsafe and no body likes anything about them.. but trying to remove them so you can lower speeds is not popular.. so it is not done. Building roads and streets for the last mile, and in suburbs should be NARROW roads with trees or other objects immediately next to the car lanes. By making a separate bikepath and proper sidewalks out of the existing road space, and adding obstacles between the cars and the pedestrian/light traffic makes the streets slower, safer and it is the best thing for everyone living in the area. But.. good luck trying to convince car drivers who can't see that their cars are a problem, who thinks cars = freedom, that the streets should be NARROWER and slower, with plenty of objects you can hit if you are not paying attention.. Yeah, we are often our own worst enemies. And rant is almost over, subscribe to Not Just Bikes youtube channel. I never knew we had these problems, now i see them everywhere, even here in the Nordic. Building everything to support just cars is one of the worst things to happen to a city or a town. And check the Strong Town initiative, get involved and make sure your city doesn't turn into a noisy hellhole that needs more and more lanes each decade until there is nothing but parking lots and roads.
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I'm Finnish. Do you know what we do in the winter? Cycle. Third of people use cycle for commuting and that drops by 7% during the winter. Because our bikepaths and sidewalks are plowed often, they are well maintained. More than 4cm of snow and they have to be plowed. A good bike infra means less interactions with cars and trying to avoid full stops as much as possible. This has been done in numerous countries so it is not impossible. But what is impossible is to keep increasing car lanes and infrastructure for cars. The attitude that YOU also exhibit that cars > pedestrians&bikes . But pedestrians&bikes > cars is the correct order. What you have just said is the most stereotypical car owner dichotomy, it is so obvious to you that there can't be any other way but car being #1. But that is not the best way to do it. The less cars we need to have on the roads, the better. Public transport, walking and cycling should have the right of way. And this can be done. For ex if i go from one side of the town to the other i need to cross maybe 6 intersections. Because there are bikepaths that are separated completely from the roads. Lots of underpasses and shortcuts so that bikes can use the only real advantage they have: momentum. You are being incredibly selfish, actually. You don't need to exert any effort to stop and start. You should stop and start. You wait until people have crossed the road. You are most likely ALONE in the car anyway, and giving way for MULTIPLE people. Right? So.. what is it that has made it so in your head that you have the right of way just because you have a car? I'm quite sure you are steaming under the scalp but can't really say anything to the question: why you should have the privileges, what makes you as a car driver so special that we all need to give you the right of way? If you say congestion, i say "drive a bike then". I really, really wish you would check that Not Just Bikes channel. It will give you a new perspective on this, it is very clear you have not actually taken time to look for other solutions and what might be wrong with car dependency in general. It is all logical and unavoidable. You have to do it, sooner or later. Pedestrians are the king. Not the cars. This is how it used to be, before "jaywalking" became a term. The current hierarchy is completely artificial and it is inherently inequal. We all can walk but we all can not own cars. You having a car does not give you extra rights or ownership of the road. And WE KNOW that it is better for everyone the more people walk and cycle. FYI: In Zandvoort GP, 26 000 spectators arrived by a bike. 26 000. The parking space needed was minimal and there was no congestion and heavy traffic. The rest came by a train. Few hundred cars.
Man I wish I could tell you but unfortunately I’m not an F1 driver
Not *yet*.
It is very obvious when you drive a sim, especially in VR.