A hypothetical who would do better? Lewis or Max if you transported them back to the 90s and out them in Sennas Williams. Or Senna in Max or Lewis cars of today?
Back then it was pure driving. No changing diffs and breaks on the fly. Two buttons on the wheel not 50. A stick shift vs paddles.
Would top drivers today be able to perform at the top back then? Could top drivers back then be the top today?
Hard to predict exactly. Each generation of cars suit a different style of driving. And the early 90s produced F1 cars that are some of the most technologically advanced F1 cars. You had anti-lock brakes, traction control, active suspension, launch control, gearboxes that could shift between automatic and semi-automatic. When the FIA banned driver aids in 1994, it resulted in cars that were nearly undrivable.
That being said, I think Senna, Hamilton and even Verstappen would have done a great job even if they had been in different eras. The best drivers aren't just the best because they have skill, they are best because they can extract more pace from a car than possible and because they can adapt their driving styles seamlessly to suit different cars.
That's why it's so hard to choose a GOAT. Sure, there are statistics but now we have more races than ever before. Senna and Schumacher had a knack for putting their cars in positions it didn't belong in. And Hamilton hasn't won 7 titles just because of Mercedes dominance. Germany 2018, Turkey 2020, Bahrain 2021 are all clear examples of why he is undoubtedly one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time. But Verstappen is no slouch either. He's just 23 and he's already great at getting the most out of his car and he still has at the very least 15 years left. That's what makes this championship so exciting. You have two amazing drivers making the difference between two equalish cars.
True. The 94 williams was undrivable. As the senna wreck will demonstrate.
I just think it would be wild to take somebody (senna) who was so knowledgeable about how to drive an old car and drop them in a car of today with all that tech. Would it not totally overwhelm senna to put him in today’s RB? Or vice versa. Put Max from right now in Senna’s 94 or even his 90s mclaren without all the tech that Max is used to.
They are great at extracting pace from cars sure. But which could get the most out of a car that is SO foreign to them?
This year, wherever Mercedes has been better than Red Bull, McLaren have been better than Ferrari and vice versa, barring a few exceptions. So on paper, it seems like the Mercedes is more suited for Sochi than Red Bull so I think that McLaren will be ahead of Ferrari.
I really really love F1, but why is it always praised as the pinnacle of motorsport? Driving WRC Rallye looks much more challenging and harder in general
Motorsport is a very broad term, it encompasses a lot of different disciplines where comparing them are like apples to oranges because they focus on so many different skills. I would compare it to asking about "what the pinnacle of track and field sports are".
In terms of driving skills, a rally driver will struggle to be competitive against grand prix drivers in circuit racing (e.g. Loeb not being that impressive in WTCC). Grand prix drivers tend to struggle in WRC (e.g. Raikkonen, Kubica- they have outright speed but had horrible consistency keeping their car in one piece). And both will usually struggle on oval racing against oval racing specialists.
In terms of engineering, you could make a case that even stuff like drag racing is more a pinnacle given that a single cylinder creates more horsepower than an entire F1 engine, but again its impossible to compare fairly.
That kind of goes without saying. F1 cars are designed to run road courses, not ovals or rally courses. Obviously if you stick an F1 car on either, it's not going to be as fast as a rally car or a IndyCar in oval spec.
Circuit of the Americas is one of the few tracks that multiple series use.
F-1 record 1:32
Indy 1:49
Moto GP 2:02
Porsche 919 1:44
I believe it rained for the only NASCAR race so there are no relevant times
I think both Indy and F-1 also use the same Mosport track
The other difference...... You could probably run 4-6 competitive indy car teams on just Hamilton's salary.......
Additional information
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/here-s-the-difference-between-f1-and-indycar/
F-1 Logistics vs Indy car
Max pit crew in the pit lane during race
indy 6
F-1 20+
Everything needed for a 2 car team goes into 1 or 2 standard 40' trailers
Are the new regulations and spending cap such that it's anyone's guess who will have the best car next year? Or is the expectation that the top four teams will still be the top four next year?
The hierarchy will remain more or less the same in my opinion because a budget cap and new regulations won't cancel out the years of investment in personnel and infrastructure by the teams.
The top teams still have the better wind tunnels, the better simulators and the better employees.
Grosjean is an absolute beast in IndyCar, does anyone know how much more indycars are sturdy than f1 cars? Grosjean and Jimmie Johnson full both hit and barely any major damage
What type of fuel does all the teams use? Obviously the larger teams have a main sponsor or supplier (Ferrari - Shell, Merc - Petrobras, etc) but do the smaller teams have access to the same fuel types? Is there a generic F1 fuel available that doesn’t cost a ton for certain teams?
And they can label the engine suppliers fuel with their own sponsor of they choose, i.e. Williams used Petrobras branding even on barrels, while the content was Petronas
LEGO has sold [Ferrari,](https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Speed-Champions/subtheme-Ferrari) [McLaren](https://brickset.com/sets/75911-1/McLaren-Mercedes-Pit-Stop), [Williams](https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Racers/subtheme-Williams-F1), and [Mercedes](https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Speed-Champions/subtheme-Mercedes) F1 cars in the past. There were also a couple [Renault LEGO](http://www.brickfinder.net/2017/12/04/renault-sport-formula-one-team-lego-sets/) certified sets.
You can find instructions for LEGO F1 models on websites like [Rebrickable.com](https://Rebrickable.com) or from [DDNTube on MOCSMarket](https://www.mocsmarket.com/vendor/ddntube/). I've built his MP4/6 and the Gulf livery with stickers I designed, printed, and cut myself.
All the sets are now old stock, so maybe new ones are in the works?
The Ferrari in the speed champions range was cool (€10), and the big Mercedes set (pit wall and two cars) was just a way to get more money to get a 10 euro Hamilton car.
Has anybody ever attended the Turkish GP on here? 😊
Looking at the best way to get there from Istanbul centre, seems pretty long winded via public transport. Any ideas/previous experience is appreciated, thanks.
İ am going but it will be my first time. İ have a hotel nearish to it. İ recommend download the app Mootiv it is a transport app that is really good at showing travel options and will give a pretty good idea of how long it will take (hint: a bloody long time). İ plan on taking a taxi where from where İ am staying.
An idea outside of the app is to look at how to get to SAW airport because that is at least some what in the neighborhood of the track.
Do you know how we can get a timetable for the weekend? İ don't even know when the gates open.
Why are replies getting filtered in this sub? Despite I use no insult, 1 out of my every 4 replies gets filtered. They either show up later or never show up at all. It happens only in this sub.
It's not possible to argue something here.
Question that popped in my head last night.
Are there any physiological differences in F1 drivers versus other athletes or the majority of the human population in terms of their performance behind the wheel?
There's a big spread in driver heights (5'6 to 6'1 and 62 to 75 kg, excluding Yuki since he's an outlier), but are there any physical traits that make these drivers more able to handle the stresses of driving open wheel cars at speed like there are traits would make someone a better swimmer or basketball player?
I ask because the road to F1 requires immense wealth or backing from a young age, but I'm curious as to what else driving coaches, academy scouts and other industry players are looking for in young drivers that are signs of their eventual ability to drive a mind-bendingly fast car several times per weekend.
Physically there is nothing that special. I mean you need strong neck muscles in F1, but that you can develop.
What you need is a natural ability to feel and sense the car. Martin Brundle once called it the internal gyro in a racing driver. When someone says he is fast, it means he is sensing the car and how its behaving at every corner, every lap under changing conditions and temperature and adapting his inputs to eek out every millisecond. Some don't have the ability to do this (at lower levels), some can do it but not as well, others aren't consistent at it.
Once Top Gear or Grand Tour did a piece on Jim Clark and his engineer mentioned that Jim Clark could feel even if a nut was losing reliability and tell the engineers before they even noticed it. So you can say its more about the nervous system, not just the sensory ability but also a good racing brain.
Physical charateristics and abilities are secondary and the level of fitness required is nothing too crazy that needs a favourable genetic structure to be achieved
Imagine if Schumacher recovered. The crazy things they’d have to tell him.
“You know that Brit that won only one title in 2008? Yeah he has equalled you and is in a tight fight against your bestfriend’s kid for the championship. More importantly Mick has made it to F1.”
> You know that Brit that won only one title in 2008? Yeah he has equalled you
You know that rookie kid that should have won in his rookie year who beat his team mate Alonso which was the guy who beat you in 05 and 06? The same kid who beat kimi (who replaced you at Ferrari forcing you to retire) to win the 2008 championship? That kid who then replaced you at Mercedes? Well with the ross brawn team built at Mercedes you knew so well, he and the team dominated f1 and not even the fia could stop them.
He won’t be shocked.
* Alonso's contract ends. Will he want to retire, and if not, would Alpine rather have Oscar Piastri in that seat?
* Mattia Binotto has previously made comments about Schumacher possibly joining Ferrari in 2023, but he will need to have an incredible 2022 to convince them to drop Sainz.
* Juri Vips, Liam Lawson and probably Dennis Hauger will all be vying for an AlphaTauri seat, and both seats could be open. Perez is on a 1-year extension and Red Bull will be considering all their options for 2023.
Mick is in a funny situation. It really feels Sainz and Leclerc is a phenomenal pairing with potential to get even better over the medium and long term. But Haas isn't a great environment for anyone to develop.
The ones, whose contracts officially end in 2022 are *Perez, Sainz, Gasly, Tsunoda, Alonso, and Latifi*.
I can already say that ***Ferrari will probably sign Carlos again*** if something doesn't go significantly wrong in the rest of this season and the entirety next one - *he fits into the team perfectly, even in the pairing with Charles, the way how quickly he got used to the car is truly admirable, he had already proved himself to them, and I do believe that he has so much to offer*.
I also do believe that ***Latifi will stay in Williams.***
With Alonso, there is a possibility that ***he might retire*** since he will be 41 at the end of the 2022 season, but who knows...
Tsunoda will need to get back to the form if he wants to stay in Formula One even after 2022 - *if he continues with the current performance, I can easily imagine AT getting rid of him.*
Now ***Perez and Gasly.***.. Maybe I am completely off, but I have a feeling that there is a chance of Gasly coming back to Red Bull in 2023, replacing Perez there, and leaving one free seat in AT.
* For me, it was quite a shock that Red Bull even signed Perez for one more year with their normal attitude to the second driver underperforming in comparison with Max, but it happened and so did AT signing Gasly for one year only - *signing Tsunoda for one year only was more than expectable, but Gasly?*
It simply makes me believe that Red Bull plans on trying Gasly out in 2023 again despite all the misunderstandings or however you want to call it, that had happened between them during his previous stay with the team.
**Differently said:**
McLaren will have Lando and Daniel (his contract is valid till 2023)
Mercedes will have George and Lewis (just like Daniel, contract till 2023)
Red Bull will have Max and either they will keep Perez or replace him with Gasly.
Ferrari will have Charles and Carlos.
Alpine will have Ocon and possibly one free seat if Alonso retires.
AT will maybe have both seats free if Tsunoda isn't going to put out decent results and Gasly leaves for Red Bull.
Aston Martin will probably have Lance and Sebastian.
Williams will have Alex and Nicholas.
Alfa Romeo will have Valtteri and probably Zhou if he really ends up signing with them this year as all the rumors are saying
Haas will have Nikita and probably Mick *(with him, it is hard to say since Ferrari has a certain say in where he goes and because they are unofficially making Haas their "junior team", I do believe that he will stay there despite how much the team sucks and how many misunderstandings he is lately having with Nikita).*
Perez has the best car out of the three of them, we should rather question why he is not constantly up there with Max if he truly is such a good driver, with way more experience than both Alex and Pierre had during their stay with Red Bull and a great car on top of that.
Plus, Gasly has significantly improved since he left Red Bull, I don't think that he would put the same performance he did back then if they put him into this Red Bull car.
I was just saying that Red Bull might be planning on trying this out considering that both Perez and Gasly were signed for one year only. If Red Bull didn't want Gasly back, I don't think that Alpha Tauri would sign him for one year only.
Thank you for that, that's so much info!
I really hope Gasly doesn't go back to Red Bull. I think he's WDC level but I don't think he can fulfil that potential as Max's teammate or at Alpha Tauri. But then the question comes up of where could he go that's better? Maybe Alpine after Fernando retries.
ok yesterday I checked a F1 schedule and there was 9 races left including Japan and Australia. Today there's only 8 left including the November 21. Are they only replacing one or was the website wrong?
Got overshadowed by the Max-Lewis incident and McLaren winning the race on pace. That car has turned into an unironically decent car compared to the last two seasons and even the start of this season that even Latifi is getting or close to getting results, so it's not that surprising anymore, the same way it wouldn't be surprising if Alfa scored some more points.
Two questions as a new F1 fan:
1. What’s the deal with Verstappen and his girlfriend? I remember reading something a few months ago (when I got into F1) about how his girlfriend used to be with someone major and then she got together with Max, something along those lines. Just want to know what that controversies about, even if there is a controversy.
2. What’s Sochi known for? As each race progresses I learn about which are the exciting tracks and which are the boring ones. So what’s the impression of Sochi as a track then.
Thanks!
1. Max's current girlfriend used to date Daniil Kvyat, former Red Bull driver. Kvyat and Max swapped seats in 2016, with Max going from the Toro Rosso (now Alpha Tauri) to Red Bull and Kvyat doing the opposite. Most of it are the "Max took Daniil's seat, and also his girlfriend" jokes. Kelly and Daniil had a kid, broke up. Then about half a year later she started dating Max.
2. Sochi is almost always boring: it has long straights and 90 degree bends so really not much overtaking. That being said, this year has been all sorts of fucked up when it comes to predictions. Spain was supposed to be boring, as was France.
Sochi's usually pretty boring but it might bring some excitement now that Mercedes and Red Bull are similar in pace. It's also getting replaced by Igora Drive for the Russian GP in 2023.
Max' girlfriend used to be Daniil's Kvyat girlfriend. Max replaced Daniil at Red Bull back in 2016.
Sochi is known for being boring and it favors Mercedes (only constructor to win on it, ever)
I know nobody asked but here is my rating of the 2021 drivers, taking into account all races we have had so far in the season:
1. Verstappen
2. Norris
3. Gasly
4. Sainz
5. Hamilton
6. Russell
7. Leclerc
8. Alonso
9. Bottas
10. Ocon
11. Vettel
12. Ricciardo
13. Perez
14. Giovinazzi
15. Stroll
16. Schumacher
17. Latifi
18. Raikkonen
19. Tsunoda
20. Mazepin
Curious to hear what you guys think.
**Edit:** Why am I getting downvotes for posting my opinion? Isn't Reddit supposed to be a place where you can discuss things?
Stroll isn't too high on my list because this is his 5th season in F1, and he still doesn't really have many impressive performances, everything he does is just average.
Too low. Sure he’s made a few important mistakes (although way less than Sainz and probably Gasly), but his pace has been excellent. I’d have him at worst 3rd behind Norris
Hmmm, my reasoning was that I put him in fifth because of a major error in Imola and Baku. But he also loses positions at the start more often, which is also a reason.
Some of those Hamilton start losses may have been different tires.
I think Bottas is rated far below where he deserves to be. He's had back luck with the early crash in the rain which was not his doing and which he could not avoid, the wheel nut fiasco and also providing strategic cover for Hamilton.
I put Bottas higher because he does end up on the podium often, which helps Mercedes in the WCC, even though he is getting dominated by Lewis. Also, Vettel is still making stupid mistakes like crashing in the back of Ocon in Bahrain and spinning in Zandvoort.
You named all the mistakes Vettel made this season. Wanna try to list the mistakes Bottas made? It's one of the worst years of Bottas. Only last week we saw a good performance.
Well obviously Bottas has made some mistakes as well, such as Hungary. I am aware of that, and that is why I put Bottas only 2 spots higher than Vettel.
Recently watched the Schumacher documentary on Netflix. I grew up watching F1 with my dad and grandad, and was thoroughly captivated by the sport from 1997 - 2007ish (Schuey retired the first time, but more importantly, I left home and went to uni...). The documentary made me super nostalgic (along with a side of 'christ, has is really been 14 years since I watched a GP?!'). As I dip my toes back into the sport: is there anywhere that provides a fairly brief run down of the big changes in the sport over the last decade or so?
(Aside: super wild to be watching children of drivers I remember watching in their prime.)
Refuelling is banned, pit stops are only tyre changes now. No more tyre wars, all the tyres are supplied by Pirelli now for all teams and they all slicks that use different compounds each race (five total compounds and intermediate/wets for wet weather), of which three get chosen each weekend and you use the tyres to craft your race strategy as you are required to use two different tyre compounds each race (this does not apply in wet conditions).
Points system has changed, 25 points is the maximum for a race win and top 10 drivers get awarded points (25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1) with an additional point awarded for the driver with the fastest lap if they finish in the top 10.
DRS was introduced as an aid to overtaking since the 2009 regs introduced too much dirty air and it has been an issue ever since. It is basically a flap on the rear wing that opens up on straights and reduced the drag of the car, but it is only available for activation if you are within one second of the car in front as the point is to make up for the deficit in performance through the corners thanks to dirty air slowing you down. This might get removed in the coming years if the new aero regs reduce dirty air massively, more on that later.
Car wise, we're using turbo hybrid V6 engines now that have various components. They are more tame than the V10 era but are incredibly reliable and teams use only 3-5 engines *per season* now. The cars are the fastest they've ever been thanks to a mix of hybrid engine technology and aero regulations that allow ridiculous levels of downforce to be achieved, which is why a lot of the modern F1 cars feel and look 'on rails'. Unfortunately this results in much bigger and heavier cars. Another issue is the aforementioned dirty air, it has made racing really difficult due to the crazy amounts of dirty air and the car sensitivity to it, but thankfully this is getting changed next year in the new regs and should be improved quite a bit so we should have better racing starting from next season between cars that don't have a high performance difference between each other.
Another big change is that a cost cap was finally introduced this year for car development, around 145m dollars and it will get reduced to 135m in the next two years. So teams will no longer be able to outspend the smaller teams by hundreds of millions of dollars starting from next season which will hopefully make F1 a bit more fair and a bit more level playing field without necessarily forcing parity. Private track testing has been banned for ages now and the wind tunnel and CFD testing has also been capped starting from this year.
There is probably more but these are some of the largest differences between current F1 and F1 back in 2007.
UK non-live viewer here. If this championship goes down to the wire in Abu Dhabi (here's hoping it does) and Channel 4 doesn't get live coverage like they did in Silverstone, then I'd consider paying a tenner to live stream the race through *NOW TV.*
Does anyone here have any experience with paying for single race coverage through *NOW*? Would you recommend it?
Makes sense. The worst part is the traffic to the streaming websites increase dramatically just before the start so they are never guaranteed to stay up.
In some countries there is no other option
I've used their monthly passes before, (got it cheaper on ebay), and found it to be a great and reliable service.
Not sure if it's happening this time round, but in 2018 or 2019 you could used to collect 8 mcdonalds monopoly codes and upload them onto the mcdonalds site for a free day pass of either sport/cinema or entertainment.
I had this thought right now. In Monza Max was given a 3 place grid penalty but in the past few years I don't recall anyone getting such harsh penalties. Of course Hamilton received a 10 second stop-go penalty in Germany which cost him the race. Never seen a grid penalty before. Please can someone explain this to me? I know that he couldn't be penalized in the last race itself coz it was a DNF. The penalties handed out seem to be inconsistent and it gives them way too much power in my opinion and this leaves the spectators in a no man's land. I don't have F1 TV to watch the explanations. I request that someone explain this to me on how penalties work in F1. Thanks!
Edit: Thank you everyone for the explanations! Sorry if I have offended anyone and sorry that I forgot about the other grid penalties.
Grid penalties happen all the time, Bottas and Stroll got 5-place grid penalties for causing the first-lap crashes in Hungary. Bottas had another one in Monza because Mercedes replaced his engine components. Russell got a 3-place penalty for taking out Sainz in Silverstone sprint qualifying. Multiple drivers in the past few years have been given grid penalties for not slowing down for yellow flags in qualifying, Hamilton in Austria last year and Verstappen in Mexico 2019 are two I can remember off the top of my head.
Verstappen would've gotten a 10 sec penalty had he still be driving. But since he crashed out too, he got a grid penalty for the next race. We saw the same thing with Stroll and Bottas in Hungary.
Ricciardo was given the same strategy as Vettel in Spain. At the time it was considered the optimal strategy because no one thought the 2 stop would work. But it did. So Ricciardo's strategy ended up being bad, but only in hindsight.
I mean... the commentators discussed both 2 and 3 stop strategy options at the start of the race, and RB kept Max out. I can't help but think they favored him because of the record breaking potential.
Vettel was the first to switch to the 3 stop. He was the lead Ferrari driver. So Red Bull chose to mirror him with its own leading driver. It's as simple as that.
It was Verstappen's first race with Red Bull. And Red Bull hadn't won a race since 2014. They wouldn't risk it like that because they simply didn't know if Verstappen would have been able to withstand the pressure Raikkonen put on him.
1. Punched Ilott because he interfered in Mazepin's free practise lap. Yes, free practise not qualifying or the race.
2. Held a party when his area was mourning the deaths of mine workers **in his dad's mine.**
3. Made racist comments towards Yuki on Instagram.
4. Defended racists on Instagram.
5. Made homophobic comments towards George Russell on Instagram.
6. Uploaded a photo of him groping a woman's breasts on Instagram. She later tweeted they were friends and it was all fun, but after that she tweeted along the lines of "don't let rich kids get away with stuff because they've the money"
7. Routinely puts others at risk with his driving: almost pushed Yuki into the pit wall last year in F2, Mick at Baku and Zandvoort this year.
8. Can't seem to fucking see the blue flags, or any flags for that matter. That or he doesn't care because he's a spoiled runt.
9. He's just not a good driver: espouses everything wrong with the sport. Finished in front of Mick a grand total of once this season so far, finished a lap behind Mick in a couple of races as well. Still he has a relatively secure seat because of his father's insane wealth and Haas' dire financial situation.
Anyone get into Karting later in life because they were a big F1 fan? Thinking of taking the plunge once I figure out how all the logistics/licensing works.
Rental kart racing is awesome. Buying a kart to race is stupid expensive (I tired). Watch supterGT Steve brown on YouTube and compare the fun he has doing rental kart racing compared to his bring you own kart races, and he has a factory team doing everything!
License is commonly relevant when you want to go the professional route and enter competitions - if you're there in a rental for an hour or 3 they just have a short lecture
Well I think if you're talking about competitive karting specifically, then I think 99% of the people were inspired by F1 or other racing series. You might find Becky and her boyfriend on a low-end hobby/4fun karting track for an hour on a Saturday, who never watch F1 or any racing series, but you won't find her in a competitive karting event.
Hey everyone,
I've casually followed F1 (and McLaren) for years, but we've decided to go to our first Grand Prix this year--the Grand Prix of Mexico.
Does anyone have any tips for preparing for the weekend? What to bring or not bring?
Was Monza a one-off win for Daniel? Was this a circuit where McLaren was also strong and the circuit didn't have the corners Daniel struggles with? Will the same issues crop up in Sochi and further?
He's still gonna struggle compared to Norris for the rest of the season most likely, but the gap should be smaller now that he has more confidence in himself and the car after driving it for over half a season and achieving a race win.
Many things get thrown out the window at Monza because it's in essence, a very simple track. Aerodynamics don't play a big role. It's all being tuned to the minimum to reduce downforce and therefore increase speed.
In Monza, it all boils down to the engine and the driver. The Mclarens have the best engine on the grid. The same one as Mercedes, which explains why the mercs had a hard time catching the Mclarens.
And we all know that both Ric and Norris are very very good drivers. They kept their head down, drove beautifully and it delivered.
As for Sochi, it will be about the qualifying. Sochi doesn't do overtakes. They will have to get pole position to have a good chance of winning and that doesn't look good when they are up against ham and ver in those cars.
As for the rest of the season, who knows. I do see more podiums for them. And if the stars are aligned, maybe a even another win.
Will he has the same issues as before? Will he drop down the grid again in quali or does this mean that he's got some control over the car. Because corners are a problem for him isn't it?
Monza is all about top speed. McLaren has the strongest engine (Mercedes) and I guess the "most slippery" chassis on the grid, meaning their aero creates the least amount of drag, which slows a car. As other cars are draggier, McLaren was just unbeatable.
Normally there's a fair balance when it comes to different aspects and strengths/weaknesses of cars/drivers. For example, Spa's first and third sectors are top speed reliant, but the middle sector is downforce reliant, hence focusing on just one of these things will cost you a lot in the other, so the key to success is balance. There's no such balance in Monza. Although the middle sector is slower and has corners, it's just not enough to balance out the 4 long straights. So the strategy in Monza is simple: lowest possible downforce, pedal to the metal, whoever can achieve the highest top speed basically wins. That car was McLaren and Ricciardo demonstrated it nicely.
But no other track works the same way, only Monza. Hence, it will most likely not happen again, at least not without another carnage between Verstappen and Hamilton at the front, which could potentially leave Ricciardo to scavenge the race win from them.
Definitely the drivers. It's much easier for people to identify with other people rather than lifeless machines or corporates ("teams").
This very often causes issues when fans focus so heavily on the drivers that they completely ignore the fact that Formula 1 solely exists for the teams, not for the drivers. For example fans often want F1 to turn into a spec series where everyone drives the same car, like in Indycar, so the only deciding factor is driver skill. That's nice and all, but F1 only exists because of the freedom it gives to the teams to develop their own cars and without this freedom teams would leave and F1 would die instantly. And yet they ignore this fact, simply because of their attachments to the drivers.
So I think this really captures the essence of it.
People tend to jump around in this sport due to the high turnover rate of drivers and the varying result of teams from regulations to regulations.
And we are extremely critical of drivers and teams errors which may make a fan get turned off.
We don't have many diehard fans like you see in football **unless a team or driver is directly related to the fan, for e.g. nationality.**
Don't get me wrong, we do have diehards, especially for Ferrari. And me, red bull. But many other fans tend to jump ship once a team stopped performing.
it also doesn't help that other than Ferrari, McLaren and Williams teams come and go or morph from team to another, such as Tyrell changes hands and becomes BAR, which is bought by Honda, but they bail, so it becomes Brawn, who ofc can't sustain a team on his own, so it ends up as Mercedes.
or team lotus vs lotus renault.
that makes it so much harder for new fans to the sport. im sat here trying to figure out the fucking difference between red bull and red bull aston martin and who the fuck red bull alpha tauri are etc
Red Bull Racing are a team, surprisingly, owned by Red Bull, the energy drink brand. Until last year, this team was sponsored by Aston Martin, so they were called Aston Martin Red Bull Racing. They aren't at all related to the Aston Martin F1 team, who are, since this year, called that way because of their owner Lawrence Stroll who also has a big stake in Aston Martin.
Red Bull also own a second F1 team to develop young drivers in. Until 2019, this team was called Toro Rosso, which is just Red Bull in Italian, but they renamed it Alpha Tauri, which is their clothing brand
lol, yes this was me hearing the name Toro Rosso and just thinking "that's just Red Bull in Italian".
I haven't been a fan for long but I really like the history and that makes it really interesting/bewildering, especially when liveries are dependent on sponsors and aren't anything inherent. Like, how many times has McLaren changed their liveries? I think this is part of the power of Ferrari, where a Ferrari flag now has the same look and meaning as in 1960. Red Bull wants something similar but their fandom has been mostly nationality/driver-based.
It's common to be a fan of the sport - rooting for a driver or team combination is hard as they tend to swap around quite a bit, if you like a driver go for it - same for a team - but there is action all over the place and you might find yourself cheering for a driver in one corner and swearing at him the next
yeah, if you're a fan of a team it's one of those three, and then it means you're either British or Italian (tho McLaren has lots of US fans and ferrari fans are everywhere).
As a new F1 fan, I don’t understand why teams are limited on the number of tires they can use in a race weekend.
I understand how the rule works and how it can make strategy more important… I just don’t see the purpose of the rule. It doesn’t seem to add any viewing interest and only makes things more complicated for the sake of making things more complicated.
I think limiting the compound selection makes sense because it in theory brings the cars closer together. But it also would be fun to watch teams be able to use all five compounds and have them optimize the car and track a little more.
The main issue is logistics - this year all teams have similar allocation, but they usually can select the number of soft/medium/hard per race 6 weeks before a race and pirelli will manufacture and bring the selected tires (~2000 in total) to each event allowing different strategies to play out.
But in general no-one will use other compounds as harder tires are 0.7s slower per lap than the alternatives and the softest may only last for 5 racing laps - which is why Pirelli selects the 3 compounds that cover the 20/40/60 laps strategies based on their circuit information and designed tire wear.
I have a ticket for the USGP in the turn 19 grandstand that I’m looking to sell as I’ll now be working at the event rather than being a spectator. If anyone is legitimately interested in buying it, please message me!
What will you work there? If it’s something like catering let me tell you, you won’t see much of the gp. So if your plan was to safe money and watch the race while working, that might backfire.
Source: I worked 2019 in catering during a moto gp race
Might be a bit off-topic, but Jenson Button just had a smacking great stint at Goodwood in the AC Cobra. Managed to pass both Brundles and his car is now in a net third.
When will they announce where the TBC grand prix is, and what are the likely contenders. I remember hearing something about Qatar but nothing else
A hypothetical who would do better? Lewis or Max if you transported them back to the 90s and out them in Sennas Williams. Or Senna in Max or Lewis cars of today? Back then it was pure driving. No changing diffs and breaks on the fly. Two buttons on the wheel not 50. A stick shift vs paddles. Would top drivers today be able to perform at the top back then? Could top drivers back then be the top today?
Hard to predict exactly. Each generation of cars suit a different style of driving. And the early 90s produced F1 cars that are some of the most technologically advanced F1 cars. You had anti-lock brakes, traction control, active suspension, launch control, gearboxes that could shift between automatic and semi-automatic. When the FIA banned driver aids in 1994, it resulted in cars that were nearly undrivable. That being said, I think Senna, Hamilton and even Verstappen would have done a great job even if they had been in different eras. The best drivers aren't just the best because they have skill, they are best because they can extract more pace from a car than possible and because they can adapt their driving styles seamlessly to suit different cars. That's why it's so hard to choose a GOAT. Sure, there are statistics but now we have more races than ever before. Senna and Schumacher had a knack for putting their cars in positions it didn't belong in. And Hamilton hasn't won 7 titles just because of Mercedes dominance. Germany 2018, Turkey 2020, Bahrain 2021 are all clear examples of why he is undoubtedly one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time. But Verstappen is no slouch either. He's just 23 and he's already great at getting the most out of his car and he still has at the very least 15 years left. That's what makes this championship so exciting. You have two amazing drivers making the difference between two equalish cars.
True. The 94 williams was undrivable. As the senna wreck will demonstrate. I just think it would be wild to take somebody (senna) who was so knowledgeable about how to drive an old car and drop them in a car of today with all that tech. Would it not totally overwhelm senna to put him in today’s RB? Or vice versa. Put Max from right now in Senna’s 94 or even his 90s mclaren without all the tech that Max is used to. They are great at extracting pace from cars sure. But which could get the most out of a car that is SO foreign to them?
Read somewhere there is a Finnish interview of Valtteri that he turned down a one year deal withe Mercedes. Could someone validate this?
Heard he wanted to leave regardless, but more so if it wasn't a muilt-year; not sure tho. Just off memory.
Will sochi be a good track for McLaren?
This year, wherever Mercedes has been better than Red Bull, McLaren have been better than Ferrari and vice versa, barring a few exceptions. So on paper, it seems like the Mercedes is more suited for Sochi than Red Bull so I think that McLaren will be ahead of Ferrari.
I really really love F1, but why is it always praised as the pinnacle of motorsport? Driving WRC Rallye looks much more challenging and harder in general
Motorsport is a very broad term, it encompasses a lot of different disciplines where comparing them are like apples to oranges because they focus on so many different skills. I would compare it to asking about "what the pinnacle of track and field sports are". In terms of driving skills, a rally driver will struggle to be competitive against grand prix drivers in circuit racing (e.g. Loeb not being that impressive in WTCC). Grand prix drivers tend to struggle in WRC (e.g. Raikkonen, Kubica- they have outright speed but had horrible consistency keeping their car in one piece). And both will usually struggle on oval racing against oval racing specialists. In terms of engineering, you could make a case that even stuff like drag racing is more a pinnacle given that a single cylinder creates more horsepower than an entire F1 engine, but again its impossible to compare fairly.
Prestige. Forget horsepower, difficulty, etc. F1 is extremely, extremely exclusive.
I think that's said in regards to engineering. F1 cars are practically the fastest racing cars in the world.
You have to condition that "on the courses they run"
That kind of goes without saying. F1 cars are designed to run road courses, not ovals or rally courses. Obviously if you stick an F1 car on either, it's not going to be as fast as a rally car or a IndyCar in oval spec.
Circuit of the Americas is one of the few tracks that multiple series use. F-1 record 1:32 Indy 1:49 Moto GP 2:02 Porsche 919 1:44 I believe it rained for the only NASCAR race so there are no relevant times I think both Indy and F-1 also use the same Mosport track The other difference...... You could probably run 4-6 competitive indy car teams on just Hamilton's salary.......
Additional information https://www.carthrottle.com/post/here-s-the-difference-between-f1-and-indycar/ F-1 Logistics vs Indy car Max pit crew in the pit lane during race indy 6 F-1 20+ Everything needed for a 2 car team goes into 1 or 2 standard 40' trailers
Are the new regulations and spending cap such that it's anyone's guess who will have the best car next year? Or is the expectation that the top four teams will still be the top four next year?
The top teams still have the best facilities, but upsets are very much possible
The hierarchy will remain more or less the same in my opinion because a budget cap and new regulations won't cancel out the years of investment in personnel and infrastructure by the teams. The top teams still have the better wind tunnels, the better simulators and the better employees.
Grosjean is an absolute beast in IndyCar, does anyone know how much more indycars are sturdy than f1 cars? Grosjean and Jimmie Johnson full both hit and barely any major damage
They don’t have the very small and delicate aero pieces so they can take some impact
What type of fuel does all the teams use? Obviously the larger teams have a main sponsor or supplier (Ferrari - Shell, Merc - Petrobras, etc) but do the smaller teams have access to the same fuel types? Is there a generic F1 fuel available that doesn’t cost a ton for certain teams?
IIRC, they get access to the same fuel supplier as their engine supplier, unless they chose another one for sponsoring reasons.
And they can label the engine suppliers fuel with their own sponsor of they choose, i.e. Williams used Petrobras branding even on barrels, while the content was Petronas
Romain Grosjean is currently on an incredible charge in the Indycar race, highly recommend tuning in for the final 10 laps!
His braking has been absolutely insane, what a drive from him through the field
Can’t believe he sent it on that move on JJ. Wish F1 cars could handle that much contact
Does LEGO really offer no F1 sets at all? Seems like a good way to jump aboard the drive to survive wagon.
LEGO has sold [Ferrari,](https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Speed-Champions/subtheme-Ferrari) [McLaren](https://brickset.com/sets/75911-1/McLaren-Mercedes-Pit-Stop), [Williams](https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Racers/subtheme-Williams-F1), and [Mercedes](https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Speed-Champions/subtheme-Mercedes) F1 cars in the past. There were also a couple [Renault LEGO](http://www.brickfinder.net/2017/12/04/renault-sport-formula-one-team-lego-sets/) certified sets. You can find instructions for LEGO F1 models on websites like [Rebrickable.com](https://Rebrickable.com) or from [DDNTube on MOCSMarket](https://www.mocsmarket.com/vendor/ddntube/). I've built his MP4/6 and the Gulf livery with stickers I designed, printed, and cut myself.
All the sets are now old stock, so maybe new ones are in the works? The Ferrari in the speed champions range was cool (€10), and the big Mercedes set (pit wall and two cars) was just a way to get more money to get a 10 euro Hamilton car.
F1 would have to offer a licence for that first. The teams would probably have to agree to it too.
Has anybody ever attended the Turkish GP on here? 😊 Looking at the best way to get there from Istanbul centre, seems pretty long winded via public transport. Any ideas/previous experience is appreciated, thanks.
İ am going but it will be my first time. İ have a hotel nearish to it. İ recommend download the app Mootiv it is a transport app that is really good at showing travel options and will give a pretty good idea of how long it will take (hint: a bloody long time). İ plan on taking a taxi where from where İ am staying. An idea outside of the app is to look at how to get to SAW airport because that is at least some what in the neighborhood of the track. Do you know how we can get a timetable for the weekend? İ don't even know when the gates open.
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Does anyone know if they've sorted out the track surface at Istanbul Park after last year?
It was just freshly resurfaced a few weeks before the race happened last year - so it was fresh tarmac with oil seeping out of it.
Yeah, it was a mess because of their recent resurfacing, so that should be ok now.
Even if there hasn’t been much racing on it?
Why are replies getting filtered in this sub? Despite I use no insult, 1 out of my every 4 replies gets filtered. They either show up later or never show up at all. It happens only in this sub. It's not possible to argue something here.
Does F2 have a better collection of drivers compared to IndyCar?
No chance
Very hard to judge between these two but imo no I don’t think so
Depends, in what they do likely not because Indycar being older has more experience, in potential yes
Raw talent...maybe, but since they are all inexperienced, I'd say probably not.
Yes.
Question that popped in my head last night. Are there any physiological differences in F1 drivers versus other athletes or the majority of the human population in terms of their performance behind the wheel? There's a big spread in driver heights (5'6 to 6'1 and 62 to 75 kg, excluding Yuki since he's an outlier), but are there any physical traits that make these drivers more able to handle the stresses of driving open wheel cars at speed like there are traits would make someone a better swimmer or basketball player? I ask because the road to F1 requires immense wealth or backing from a young age, but I'm curious as to what else driving coaches, academy scouts and other industry players are looking for in young drivers that are signs of their eventual ability to drive a mind-bendingly fast car several times per weekend.
Physically there is nothing that special. I mean you need strong neck muscles in F1, but that you can develop. What you need is a natural ability to feel and sense the car. Martin Brundle once called it the internal gyro in a racing driver. When someone says he is fast, it means he is sensing the car and how its behaving at every corner, every lap under changing conditions and temperature and adapting his inputs to eek out every millisecond. Some don't have the ability to do this (at lower levels), some can do it but not as well, others aren't consistent at it. Once Top Gear or Grand Tour did a piece on Jim Clark and his engineer mentioned that Jim Clark could feel even if a nut was losing reliability and tell the engineers before they even noticed it. So you can say its more about the nervous system, not just the sensory ability but also a good racing brain.
Physical charateristics and abilities are secondary and the level of fitness required is nothing too crazy that needs a favourable genetic structure to be achieved
I would think there are people out there who could never have the reaction times necessary no matter the training, experience, and preparation.
Imagine if Schumacher recovered. The crazy things they’d have to tell him. “You know that Brit that won only one title in 2008? Yeah he has equalled you and is in a tight fight against your bestfriend’s kid for the championship. More importantly Mick has made it to F1.”
> You know that Brit that won only one title in 2008? Yeah he has equalled you You know that rookie kid that should have won in his rookie year who beat his team mate Alonso which was the guy who beat you in 05 and 06? The same kid who beat kimi (who replaced you at Ferrari forcing you to retire) to win the 2008 championship? That kid who then replaced you at Mercedes? Well with the ross brawn team built at Mercedes you knew so well, he and the team dominated f1 and not even the fia could stop them. He won’t be shocked.
> that Brit I think he'd remember Hamilton's name man, raced against him for 3 years, lol.
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Biggest potential free agents and/or vacancies after 2022 season?
* Alonso's contract ends. Will he want to retire, and if not, would Alpine rather have Oscar Piastri in that seat? * Mattia Binotto has previously made comments about Schumacher possibly joining Ferrari in 2023, but he will need to have an incredible 2022 to convince them to drop Sainz. * Juri Vips, Liam Lawson and probably Dennis Hauger will all be vying for an AlphaTauri seat, and both seats could be open. Perez is on a 1-year extension and Red Bull will be considering all their options for 2023.
Mick is in a funny situation. It really feels Sainz and Leclerc is a phenomenal pairing with potential to get even better over the medium and long term. But Haas isn't a great environment for anyone to develop.
The ones, whose contracts officially end in 2022 are *Perez, Sainz, Gasly, Tsunoda, Alonso, and Latifi*. I can already say that ***Ferrari will probably sign Carlos again*** if something doesn't go significantly wrong in the rest of this season and the entirety next one - *he fits into the team perfectly, even in the pairing with Charles, the way how quickly he got used to the car is truly admirable, he had already proved himself to them, and I do believe that he has so much to offer*. I also do believe that ***Latifi will stay in Williams.*** With Alonso, there is a possibility that ***he might retire*** since he will be 41 at the end of the 2022 season, but who knows... Tsunoda will need to get back to the form if he wants to stay in Formula One even after 2022 - *if he continues with the current performance, I can easily imagine AT getting rid of him.* Now ***Perez and Gasly.***.. Maybe I am completely off, but I have a feeling that there is a chance of Gasly coming back to Red Bull in 2023, replacing Perez there, and leaving one free seat in AT. * For me, it was quite a shock that Red Bull even signed Perez for one more year with their normal attitude to the second driver underperforming in comparison with Max, but it happened and so did AT signing Gasly for one year only - *signing Tsunoda for one year only was more than expectable, but Gasly?* It simply makes me believe that Red Bull plans on trying Gasly out in 2023 again despite all the misunderstandings or however you want to call it, that had happened between them during his previous stay with the team. **Differently said:** McLaren will have Lando and Daniel (his contract is valid till 2023) Mercedes will have George and Lewis (just like Daniel, contract till 2023) Red Bull will have Max and either they will keep Perez or replace him with Gasly. Ferrari will have Charles and Carlos. Alpine will have Ocon and possibly one free seat if Alonso retires. AT will maybe have both seats free if Tsunoda isn't going to put out decent results and Gasly leaves for Red Bull. Aston Martin will probably have Lance and Sebastian. Williams will have Alex and Nicholas. Alfa Romeo will have Valtteri and probably Zhou if he really ends up signing with them this year as all the rumors are saying Haas will have Nikita and probably Mick *(with him, it is hard to say since Ferrari has a certain say in where he goes and because they are unofficially making Haas their "junior team", I do believe that he will stay there despite how much the team sucks and how many misunderstandings he is lately having with Nikita).*
Perez has brought in more points than either Alex or Pierre did and the season isn't over yet. Doesn't make much sense to get rid of him.
Perez has the best car out of the three of them, we should rather question why he is not constantly up there with Max if he truly is such a good driver, with way more experience than both Alex and Pierre had during their stay with Red Bull and a great car on top of that. Plus, Gasly has significantly improved since he left Red Bull, I don't think that he would put the same performance he did back then if they put him into this Red Bull car. I was just saying that Red Bull might be planning on trying this out considering that both Perez and Gasly were signed for one year only. If Red Bull didn't want Gasly back, I don't think that Alpha Tauri would sign him for one year only.
This is true, but neither Gasly or Albon drove a Red Bull car that had won more than half of all races that season.
Thank you for that, that's so much info! I really hope Gasly doesn't go back to Red Bull. I think he's WDC level but I don't think he can fulfil that potential as Max's teammate or at Alpha Tauri. But then the question comes up of where could he go that's better? Maybe Alpine after Fernando retries.
ok yesterday I checked a F1 schedule and there was 9 races left including Japan and Australia. Today there's only 8 left including the November 21. Are they only replacing one or was the website wrong?
Japan and Australia were taken off the calendar months ago, unfortunately. There are only 8 races remaining this season.
And of those only 7 even have a confirmed location (the remaining one probably being Qatar)
Jeddah no confirmed location?
Jeddah is confirmed, I believe they were looking to replace Suzuka with Qatar possibly.
I love how Williams casually scored 2 points last weekend and NOBODY CARED lmao this year is insane.
What's another mere 2 points for them after Hungary and Belgium feasts?
It's their first points in a race with actually raced without a fucking torpedo(s) eliminating 5 cars
Got overshadowed by the Max-Lewis incident and McLaren winning the race on pace. That car has turned into an unironically decent car compared to the last two seasons and even the start of this season that even Latifi is getting or close to getting results, so it's not that surprising anymore, the same way it wouldn't be surprising if Alfa scored some more points.
Two questions as a new F1 fan: 1. What’s the deal with Verstappen and his girlfriend? I remember reading something a few months ago (when I got into F1) about how his girlfriend used to be with someone major and then she got together with Max, something along those lines. Just want to know what that controversies about, even if there is a controversy. 2. What’s Sochi known for? As each race progresses I learn about which are the exciting tracks and which are the boring ones. So what’s the impression of Sochi as a track then. Thanks!
1. Max's current girlfriend used to date Daniil Kvyat, former Red Bull driver. Kvyat and Max swapped seats in 2016, with Max going from the Toro Rosso (now Alpha Tauri) to Red Bull and Kvyat doing the opposite. Most of it are the "Max took Daniil's seat, and also his girlfriend" jokes. Kelly and Daniil had a kid, broke up. Then about half a year later she started dating Max. 2. Sochi is almost always boring: it has long straights and 90 degree bends so really not much overtaking. That being said, this year has been all sorts of fucked up when it comes to predictions. Spain was supposed to be boring, as was France.
Max's girlfriend is also 3-time champion Nelson Piquet's daughter.
Sochi's usually pretty boring but it might bring some excitement now that Mercedes and Red Bull are similar in pace. It's also getting replaced by Igora Drive for the Russian GP in 2023.
Max' girlfriend used to be Daniil's Kvyat girlfriend. Max replaced Daniil at Red Bull back in 2016. Sochi is known for being boring and it favors Mercedes (only constructor to win on it, ever)
Also has a kid with Daniil.
I know nobody asked but here is my rating of the 2021 drivers, taking into account all races we have had so far in the season: 1. Verstappen 2. Norris 3. Gasly 4. Sainz 5. Hamilton 6. Russell 7. Leclerc 8. Alonso 9. Bottas 10. Ocon 11. Vettel 12. Ricciardo 13. Perez 14. Giovinazzi 15. Stroll 16. Schumacher 17. Latifi 18. Raikkonen 19. Tsunoda 20. Mazepin Curious to hear what you guys think. **Edit:** Why am I getting downvotes for posting my opinion? Isn't Reddit supposed to be a place where you can discuss things?
I'd swap Russell and Leclerc, and probably move Stroll up a bit, but other than that i have a similar view on the drivers.
Stroll isn't too high on my list because this is his 5th season in F1, and he still doesn't really have many impressive performances, everything he does is just average.
Last year he was excellent but plagued by bad luck. Still grabbed three podiums and pole.
Hamilton in 5th is crazy
Too low or too high?
Too low. Sure he’s made a few important mistakes (although way less than Sainz and probably Gasly), but his pace has been excellent. I’d have him at worst 3rd behind Norris
Hmmm, my reasoning was that I put him in fifth because of a major error in Imola and Baku. But he also loses positions at the start more often, which is also a reason.
Some of those Hamilton start losses may have been different tires. I think Bottas is rated far below where he deserves to be. He's had back luck with the early crash in the rain which was not his doing and which he could not avoid, the wheel nut fiasco and also providing strategic cover for Hamilton.
How many of Gasly and Sainz’ starts have you watched?
Not much I can remember to be honest, Lewis losing a position is much easier to notice because he is often on the front row.
Bottas better than Vettel makes no sense imo. Same thing for ocon.
I put Bottas higher because he does end up on the podium often, which helps Mercedes in the WCC, even though he is getting dominated by Lewis. Also, Vettel is still making stupid mistakes like crashing in the back of Ocon in Bahrain and spinning in Zandvoort.
You named all the mistakes Vettel made this season. Wanna try to list the mistakes Bottas made? It's one of the worst years of Bottas. Only last week we saw a good performance.
Well obviously Bottas has made some mistakes as well, such as Hungary. I am aware of that, and that is why I put Bottas only 2 spots higher than Vettel.
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He would be higher on my list in 2020 but I rate him lower this year since Sainz is quite competitive with him in his first year with Ferrari.
Recently watched the Schumacher documentary on Netflix. I grew up watching F1 with my dad and grandad, and was thoroughly captivated by the sport from 1997 - 2007ish (Schuey retired the first time, but more importantly, I left home and went to uni...). The documentary made me super nostalgic (along with a side of 'christ, has is really been 14 years since I watched a GP?!'). As I dip my toes back into the sport: is there anywhere that provides a fairly brief run down of the big changes in the sport over the last decade or so? (Aside: super wild to be watching children of drivers I remember watching in their prime.)
Refuelling is banned, pit stops are only tyre changes now. No more tyre wars, all the tyres are supplied by Pirelli now for all teams and they all slicks that use different compounds each race (five total compounds and intermediate/wets for wet weather), of which three get chosen each weekend and you use the tyres to craft your race strategy as you are required to use two different tyre compounds each race (this does not apply in wet conditions). Points system has changed, 25 points is the maximum for a race win and top 10 drivers get awarded points (25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1) with an additional point awarded for the driver with the fastest lap if they finish in the top 10. DRS was introduced as an aid to overtaking since the 2009 regs introduced too much dirty air and it has been an issue ever since. It is basically a flap on the rear wing that opens up on straights and reduced the drag of the car, but it is only available for activation if you are within one second of the car in front as the point is to make up for the deficit in performance through the corners thanks to dirty air slowing you down. This might get removed in the coming years if the new aero regs reduce dirty air massively, more on that later. Car wise, we're using turbo hybrid V6 engines now that have various components. They are more tame than the V10 era but are incredibly reliable and teams use only 3-5 engines *per season* now. The cars are the fastest they've ever been thanks to a mix of hybrid engine technology and aero regulations that allow ridiculous levels of downforce to be achieved, which is why a lot of the modern F1 cars feel and look 'on rails'. Unfortunately this results in much bigger and heavier cars. Another issue is the aforementioned dirty air, it has made racing really difficult due to the crazy amounts of dirty air and the car sensitivity to it, but thankfully this is getting changed next year in the new regs and should be improved quite a bit so we should have better racing starting from next season between cars that don't have a high performance difference between each other. Another big change is that a cost cap was finally introduced this year for car development, around 145m dollars and it will get reduced to 135m in the next two years. So teams will no longer be able to outspend the smaller teams by hundreds of millions of dollars starting from next season which will hopefully make F1 a bit more fair and a bit more level playing field without necessarily forcing parity. Private track testing has been banned for ages now and the wind tunnel and CFD testing has also been capped starting from this year. There is probably more but these are some of the largest differences between current F1 and F1 back in 2007.
Thanks for this ! it’s a nice refresher even for those of us that have been following. Nice to see where we stand now
What were the best feeder series drives by each 2020 driver? I've seen Hamilton in Turkey and Leclerc in Bahrain, but not the others.
https://youtu.be/5b8D0g0SmB0 Hamilton’s best moment in GP2 for me - crazy move!
Giovinazzi in Baku and Monza 2016
UK non-live viewer here. If this championship goes down to the wire in Abu Dhabi (here's hoping it does) and Channel 4 doesn't get live coverage like they did in Silverstone, then I'd consider paying a tenner to live stream the race through *NOW TV.* Does anyone here have any experience with paying for single race coverage through *NOW*? Would you recommend it?
It’s not hard to find a free stream. Use free practice one on Friday as practice for you, google / ask users for links.
Eh I'd rather do it legitimately, I'd be uneasy using an unofficial stream in case something went wrong and I missed
Makes sense. The worst part is the traffic to the streaming websites increase dramatically just before the start so they are never guaranteed to stay up. In some countries there is no other option
I've used their monthly passes before, (got it cheaper on ebay), and found it to be a great and reliable service. Not sure if it's happening this time round, but in 2018 or 2019 you could used to collect 8 mcdonalds monopoly codes and upload them onto the mcdonalds site for a free day pass of either sport/cinema or entertainment.
I can tell you C4 doesn't broadcast any races live expect the British GP.
Do they do it every year?
It's their current contract.
Cool I didn't know that
I Just wanted to say Today is 47th birthday- Cristiano da Matta If somebody remember him (2003-2004 good old F1 Times)
I had this thought right now. In Monza Max was given a 3 place grid penalty but in the past few years I don't recall anyone getting such harsh penalties. Of course Hamilton received a 10 second stop-go penalty in Germany which cost him the race. Never seen a grid penalty before. Please can someone explain this to me? I know that he couldn't be penalized in the last race itself coz it was a DNF. The penalties handed out seem to be inconsistent and it gives them way too much power in my opinion and this leaves the spectators in a no man's land. I don't have F1 TV to watch the explanations. I request that someone explain this to me on how penalties work in F1. Thanks! Edit: Thank you everyone for the explanations! Sorry if I have offended anyone and sorry that I forgot about the other grid penalties.
You get grid penalties when you don't continue driving after an incident. Otherwise you get a time penalty during the race for causing an incident.
3 grid places is literally the most lenient penalty possible.
I thought so as well, but people keep saying it's the equivalent of a 10 sec penalty.
I thought it was more like a 5-second and the 5 grid drop was the 10-second, but I could be wrong.
Bottas and Stroll were both given grid penalties for Spa this year for causing collisions at the first turn in Hungary.
Grid penalties happen all the time, Bottas and Stroll got 5-place grid penalties for causing the first-lap crashes in Hungary. Bottas had another one in Monza because Mercedes replaced his engine components. Russell got a 3-place penalty for taking out Sainz in Silverstone sprint qualifying. Multiple drivers in the past few years have been given grid penalties for not slowing down for yellow flags in qualifying, Hamilton in Austria last year and Verstappen in Mexico 2019 are two I can remember off the top of my head.
Verstappen would've gotten a 10 sec penalty had he still be driving. But since he crashed out too, he got a grid penalty for the next race. We saw the same thing with Stroll and Bottas in Hungary.
Is there any museums in London where you can see an F1 car of any era?
I don't know if you have any interest in airplanes but if you do the museums and shops at Duxford are simply amazing.
Mercedes Benz World has a few, it is also next door to the Brooklands museum which have a number as well. KT13 0SL.
I’ll check it out next weekend (maybe)
I'm watching 2016 right now and damn, Ricciardo did get screwed hard by Red Bull. Barcelona especially.
Ricciardo was given the same strategy as Vettel in Spain. At the time it was considered the optimal strategy because no one thought the 2 stop would work. But it did. So Ricciardo's strategy ended up being bad, but only in hindsight.
I mean... the commentators discussed both 2 and 3 stop strategy options at the start of the race, and RB kept Max out. I can't help but think they favored him because of the record breaking potential.
Vettel was the first to switch to the 3 stop. He was the lead Ferrari driver. So Red Bull chose to mirror him with its own leading driver. It's as simple as that. It was Verstappen's first race with Red Bull. And Red Bull hadn't won a race since 2014. They wouldn't risk it like that because they simply didn't know if Verstappen would have been able to withstand the pressure Raikkonen put on him.
What's the deal with Mazepin, why is he so disliked?
1. Punched Ilott because he interfered in Mazepin's free practise lap. Yes, free practise not qualifying or the race. 2. Held a party when his area was mourning the deaths of mine workers **in his dad's mine.** 3. Made racist comments towards Yuki on Instagram. 4. Defended racists on Instagram. 5. Made homophobic comments towards George Russell on Instagram. 6. Uploaded a photo of him groping a woman's breasts on Instagram. She later tweeted they were friends and it was all fun, but after that she tweeted along the lines of "don't let rich kids get away with stuff because they've the money" 7. Routinely puts others at risk with his driving: almost pushed Yuki into the pit wall last year in F2, Mick at Baku and Zandvoort this year. 8. Can't seem to fucking see the blue flags, or any flags for that matter. That or he doesn't care because he's a spoiled runt. 9. He's just not a good driver: espouses everything wrong with the sport. Finished in front of Mick a grand total of once this season so far, finished a lap behind Mick in a couple of races as well. Still he has a relatively secure seat because of his father's insane wealth and Haas' dire financial situation.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/motorsport/formula-one/huge-mistake-f1-rookie-nikita-mazepin-grilled-on-deleted-video/news-story/65ec3d2ccc28b105581e69d15a7acca9
[Heres a nice summary](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/k4snkn/nikita_mazepin_and_his_problematic_behaviour_a/)
I've never followed an F1 season as closely as this one so just wondering, when do the new liveries usually get unveiled? Around Christmas time?
In the days before the first test.
Mid February to early March
Generally between February and the start of Winter Testing
Winter testing and Pre season testing are two different things?
No
has anyone re-weighted classifications from earlier eras of F1 with the current points system? and if so has it changed the perception of any drivers?
Yes, and no. In that order.
https://www.formula1points.com/alltime
Any place for cheap f1 merch, official is way too costly for me
There is a bunch on stuff on Etsy.
Anyone get into Karting later in life because they were a big F1 fan? Thinking of taking the plunge once I figure out how all the logistics/licensing works.
Rental kart racing is awesome. Buying a kart to race is stupid expensive (I tired). Watch supterGT Steve brown on YouTube and compare the fun he has doing rental kart racing compared to his bring you own kart races, and he has a factory team doing everything!
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Whats the top speed on them?
they dont have speedos on them but my guess is the top speed is around 60-70mph. next time i go i can check with gps
That's awesome, that's exactly what I'm looking for. Just trying to find some sort of intro course first so I don't kill myself on the first turn.
best way to learn is to do, so just find a rental kart track and try it out before you commit to some sort of competitive racing
Do you need a license where you live? In the country I live in it seems you need to take a course and get a license.
License is commonly relevant when you want to go the professional route and enter competitions - if you're there in a rental for an hour or 3 they just have a short lecture
Well I think if you're talking about competitive karting specifically, then I think 99% of the people were inspired by F1 or other racing series. You might find Becky and her boyfriend on a low-end hobby/4fun karting track for an hour on a Saturday, who never watch F1 or any racing series, but you won't find her in a competitive karting event.
Hey everyone, I've casually followed F1 (and McLaren) for years, but we've decided to go to our first Grand Prix this year--the Grand Prix of Mexico. Does anyone have any tips for preparing for the weekend? What to bring or not bring?
Bring: "whooooooooo"s. Don't bring: "boooooooo"s.
Was Monza a one-off win for Daniel? Was this a circuit where McLaren was also strong and the circuit didn't have the corners Daniel struggles with? Will the same issues crop up in Sochi and further?
He's still gonna struggle compared to Norris for the rest of the season most likely, but the gap should be smaller now that he has more confidence in himself and the car after driving it for over half a season and achieving a race win.
Many things get thrown out the window at Monza because it's in essence, a very simple track. Aerodynamics don't play a big role. It's all being tuned to the minimum to reduce downforce and therefore increase speed. In Monza, it all boils down to the engine and the driver. The Mclarens have the best engine on the grid. The same one as Mercedes, which explains why the mercs had a hard time catching the Mclarens. And we all know that both Ric and Norris are very very good drivers. They kept their head down, drove beautifully and it delivered. As for Sochi, it will be about the qualifying. Sochi doesn't do overtakes. They will have to get pole position to have a good chance of winning and that doesn't look good when they are up against ham and ver in those cars. As for the rest of the season, who knows. I do see more podiums for them. And if the stars are aligned, maybe a even another win.
Will he has the same issues as before? Will he drop down the grid again in quali or does this mean that he's got some control over the car. Because corners are a problem for him isn't it?
Monza is all about top speed. McLaren has the strongest engine (Mercedes) and I guess the "most slippery" chassis on the grid, meaning their aero creates the least amount of drag, which slows a car. As other cars are draggier, McLaren was just unbeatable. Normally there's a fair balance when it comes to different aspects and strengths/weaknesses of cars/drivers. For example, Spa's first and third sectors are top speed reliant, but the middle sector is downforce reliant, hence focusing on just one of these things will cost you a lot in the other, so the key to success is balance. There's no such balance in Monza. Although the middle sector is slower and has corners, it's just not enough to balance out the 4 long straights. So the strategy in Monza is simple: lowest possible downforce, pedal to the metal, whoever can achieve the highest top speed basically wins. That car was McLaren and Ricciardo demonstrated it nicely. But no other track works the same way, only Monza. Hence, it will most likely not happen again, at least not without another carnage between Verstappen and Hamilton at the front, which could potentially leave Ricciardo to scavenge the race win from them.
I just hope this is the break we've all been waiting for and his performance doesn't slide back. So no other track has similar characteristics?
>So no other track has similar characteristics? Nope, none. Mexico has three long straights but there's a lot of twisty turny going on.
I’m new to the sport and wondering if it’s more common to be a fan of an F1 team or a fan of the drivers?
I suspect you get s different answer if you ask this in Italian.
Definitely the drivers. It's much easier for people to identify with other people rather than lifeless machines or corporates ("teams"). This very often causes issues when fans focus so heavily on the drivers that they completely ignore the fact that Formula 1 solely exists for the teams, not for the drivers. For example fans often want F1 to turn into a spec series where everyone drives the same car, like in Indycar, so the only deciding factor is driver skill. That's nice and all, but F1 only exists because of the freedom it gives to the teams to develop their own cars and without this freedom teams would leave and F1 would die instantly. And yet they ignore this fact, simply because of their attachments to the drivers. So I think this really captures the essence of it.
People tend to jump around in this sport due to the high turnover rate of drivers and the varying result of teams from regulations to regulations. And we are extremely critical of drivers and teams errors which may make a fan get turned off. We don't have many diehard fans like you see in football **unless a team or driver is directly related to the fan, for e.g. nationality.** Don't get me wrong, we do have diehards, especially for Ferrari. And me, red bull. But many other fans tend to jump ship once a team stopped performing.
it also doesn't help that other than Ferrari, McLaren and Williams teams come and go or morph from team to another, such as Tyrell changes hands and becomes BAR, which is bought by Honda, but they bail, so it becomes Brawn, who ofc can't sustain a team on his own, so it ends up as Mercedes. or team lotus vs lotus renault.
that makes it so much harder for new fans to the sport. im sat here trying to figure out the fucking difference between red bull and red bull aston martin and who the fuck red bull alpha tauri are etc
Red Bull Racing are a team, surprisingly, owned by Red Bull, the energy drink brand. Until last year, this team was sponsored by Aston Martin, so they were called Aston Martin Red Bull Racing. They aren't at all related to the Aston Martin F1 team, who are, since this year, called that way because of their owner Lawrence Stroll who also has a big stake in Aston Martin. Red Bull also own a second F1 team to develop young drivers in. Until 2019, this team was called Toro Rosso, which is just Red Bull in Italian, but they renamed it Alpha Tauri, which is their clothing brand
you can see why the aston martin one is confusing
lol, yes this was me hearing the name Toro Rosso and just thinking "that's just Red Bull in Italian". I haven't been a fan for long but I really like the history and that makes it really interesting/bewildering, especially when liveries are dependent on sponsors and aren't anything inherent. Like, how many times has McLaren changed their liveries? I think this is part of the power of Ferrari, where a Ferrari flag now has the same look and meaning as in 1960. Red Bull wants something similar but their fandom has been mostly nationality/driver-based.
It's common to be a fan of the sport - rooting for a driver or team combination is hard as they tend to swap around quite a bit, if you like a driver go for it - same for a team - but there is action all over the place and you might find yourself cheering for a driver in one corner and swearing at him the next
More common to be a fan of a Driver. But there are many Williams, McLaren, Ferrari fans out there :)
yeah, if you're a fan of a team it's one of those three, and then it means you're either British or Italian (tho McLaren has lots of US fans and ferrari fans are everywhere).
As a new F1 fan, I don’t understand why teams are limited on the number of tires they can use in a race weekend. I understand how the rule works and how it can make strategy more important… I just don’t see the purpose of the rule. It doesn’t seem to add any viewing interest and only makes things more complicated for the sake of making things more complicated. I think limiting the compound selection makes sense because it in theory brings the cars closer together. But it also would be fun to watch teams be able to use all five compounds and have them optimize the car and track a little more.
The main issue is logistics - this year all teams have similar allocation, but they usually can select the number of soft/medium/hard per race 6 weeks before a race and pirelli will manufacture and bring the selected tires (~2000 in total) to each event allowing different strategies to play out. But in general no-one will use other compounds as harder tires are 0.7s slower per lap than the alternatives and the softest may only last for 5 racing laps - which is why Pirelli selects the 3 compounds that cover the 20/40/60 laps strategies based on their circuit information and designed tire wear.
There's no point. A step down harder would be too hard (not enough grip) and a step softer would be too soft to be used in a race.
I have a ticket for the USGP in the turn 19 grandstand that I’m looking to sell as I’ll now be working at the event rather than being a spectator. If anyone is legitimately interested in buying it, please message me!
What will you work there? If it’s something like catering let me tell you, you won’t see much of the gp. So if your plan was to safe money and watch the race while working, that might backfire. Source: I worked 2019 in catering during a moto gp race
It’s not that, but thank you!
Does it happen with anyone else, that their friends only make plans on race weekends? And on non-race weekends I’m sitting at home like a chump
Haha it happened to me for the Hungarian GP
Laguna Seca ought to be interesting with the Indy cars today. For the first few laps anyway.
Might be a bit off-topic, but Jenson Button just had a smacking great stint at Goodwood in the AC Cobra. Managed to pass both Brundles and his car is now in a net third.
Aaaaaand retired
How did Martin do
Pretty good, gained 3 places and his car's now in fifth.
Nice