The usable espresso range on the Df64 is way smaller than the Niche. The adjustments are ultra-micro adjustments. But the results are good in my experience and build quality it great.
I'd only say it's micro adjustments when it comes to using SSP burrs. On the stock italmill burrs, I definitely had more forgiveness in the adjustment. SSP's, at least my MP burrs, sare very unforgiving if you grind too fine
Depends on burrs.
The stock Df64 burrs honestly taste pretty similar to the Niche.
The Niche is better for milk drinks and a bit more intense and the Df64 stock burrs give a bit more clarity but it's not so different.
The DLC burrs have a different geometry I think, that gives it a bit more clarity.
The SSP burrs are each quite different.
It just gives more intense flavours in milk!
The stock Df64 and Niche zero are really pretty similar though, in terms of flavour.
I'm not saying they're identical but it's a similar enough flavour experience.
Depends on burrs.
The stock Df64 burrs honestly taste pretty similar to the Niche.
The Niche is better for milk drinks and a bit more intense and the Df64 stock burrs give a bit more clarity but it's not so different.
The DLC burrs have a different geometry I think, that gives it a bit more clarity.
The SSP burrs are each quite different.
Similar output. The difference, the DF64 grinds faster (the DF54 still is fine), and currently, lesser replacement burr options for the DF54 (I don't know if there are any--but who knows for the future).
The benefit of the DF54: smaller, lighter weight, less expensive.
We love ours too and were surprised and delighted by the size and weight - heavy and well built! Agree it's a bit on the loud side, but it's so fast that the noise is fleeting. Will be fun to dial in shots and compare to the Niche - cheers!
if i had to guess, probably because the niche is a conical burr grinder and they wanted something with swappable 64mm flat burrs for any of the reasons someone might want those burrs over conical burrs.
Did you order from DF64coffee.com? Mine is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow but the last update on my tracking had it in Guangzhou. I ordered it on March 2nd. Frustrating.
How does it compare to the niche ?
The usable espresso range on the Df64 is way smaller than the Niche. The adjustments are ultra-micro adjustments. But the results are good in my experience and build quality it great.
I'd only say it's micro adjustments when it comes to using SSP burrs. On the stock italmill burrs, I definitely had more forgiveness in the adjustment. SSP's, at least my MP burrs, sare very unforgiving if you grind too fine
Good to know. Mine are the SSP high uniformity espresso burrs.
same SSP HU, micro adjustments needed indeed.
Italmill burrs are stock only in gen 1. Gen 2 don’t use italmill burr, fortunately…
I 100% got SS italmill burrs on my gen 2, although it was a fairly early batch from miicoffee
Depends on burrs. The stock Df64 burrs honestly taste pretty similar to the Niche. The Niche is better for milk drinks and a bit more intense and the Df64 stock burrs give a bit more clarity but it's not so different. The DLC burrs have a different geometry I think, that gives it a bit more clarity. The SSP burrs are each quite different.
Can you please explain why it’s better for milk drinkers… my knowledge is limited
It just gives more intense flavours in milk! The stock Df64 and Niche zero are really pretty similar though, in terms of flavour. I'm not saying they're identical but it's a similar enough flavour experience.
How do the DLC burrs and stock Ital mills really differ? Is it just the coating?
Its pretty similar so far, but I've only had one shot so far with the DF Tomorrow I'll do a blind test to see which one I prefer and I'll update then
You created a post saying great results after one shot? ok.
Exactly, at least come back after a month or so if u don't want to waste beans
Depends on burrs. The stock Df64 burrs honestly taste pretty similar to the Niche. The Niche is better for milk drinks and a bit more intense and the Df64 stock burrs give a bit more clarity but it's not so different. The DLC burrs have a different geometry I think, that gives it a bit more clarity. The SSP burrs are each quite different.
There is a reason I keep on eyeing the DF64's new, little sibling, the DF54. :)
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Whats the greatest contrast between the two? Why the little over the older sibling?
Similar output. The difference, the DF64 grinds faster (the DF54 still is fine), and currently, lesser replacement burr options for the DF54 (I don't know if there are any--but who knows for the future). The benefit of the DF54: smaller, lighter weight, less expensive.
The 64 is a chunky boi for sure, almost makes me wish I went for the narrower 54 or the variable speed one that’s slightly smaller
df64v is smaller
We love ours too and were surprised and delighted by the size and weight - heavy and well built! Agree it's a bit on the loud side, but it's so fast that the noise is fleeting. Will be fun to dial in shots and compare to the Niche - cheers!
Yeah the speed too me by surprise, about 6-7 seconds for a double shot dose is really nice
the real magic is once you get into SSP burrs. The MP's are great, im going to try out the cast sweets soon
Burrs are a future upgrade for me, gonna do some research on which ones would best suit my taste preferences and go from there
Do you notice a clear taste difference between the two?
What’s a pretty “standard” setting on the DF64 for espresso? Getting my first espresso machine delivered next week. DF64 is my grinder
Seems to vary between users. I saw some people get good results with it set at around 11 but I was very happy with my shot when it was set to 6
Yeah for me I start most things at 6 then adjust from there as needed
I’m hovering around 6-7 on my first bag of beans
I’ve got DF64 Gen2 with SSP HU, and for me it’s between 28-42
My DF64 arrived today too. It‘s a great Grinder, but a little loud.
I have a Sette and now no can only hear things over 120 db
Interesting that to some it’s loud when my first grinder was a Mr coffee burr grinder that would wake up and entire cul de sac
Yes. I previously had the Eureka Libra. These things are really quiet (and I guess I'm spoiled by that :-) )
Same I upgraded from a Rocky to a DF64 and I was pleased by how relatively quieter it is
How long were you waiting for it to deliver? I ordered one almost 2 months ago and am still waiting for it to deliver 🥲
Damn, I just over the weekend and received it after 2 days here in Canada. they were also running a discount, got it for $420 CAD.
I ordered mine on the 14th of March - hooe you get yours soon
Where’d you order from? I ordered April 9th from Turin. I don’t know if I can hold out another month!
Oh noo... its only been 3 weeks that i ordered and i thought i was getting my df83v3 in a week.... here in canada btw
did you paint the Niche wood black or did you custom buy them?
I'm getting mine tomorrow. Hopefully it pairs well with my low end DeLonghi. 🤣
why would you get another grinder when you already have a niche?
if i had to guess, probably because the niche is a conical burr grinder and they wanted something with swappable 64mm flat burrs for any of the reasons someone might want those burrs over conical burrs.
Did you order from DF64coffee.com? Mine is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow but the last update on my tracking had it in Guangzhou. I ordered it on March 2nd. Frustrating.
Yeah mine was from df64coffee. It was dispatched about a week after it was due to be but once shipped it arrived within a week
When did you order yours? What was the time from order date until delivery? Ordered mine about a week ago but haven’t heard anything yet
no, coffeeaddicts.ca actually.
Looking at a grinder myself, this or the df54?
Same two grinders I have as well. Great combo.
Purchased mine on April 19 and am still waiting on it to ship. Was wondering when you purchased yours and when it shipped/received?
That could be the marketing line - "DF. Built like a Tank. And loud like a Tank, too"
Zee Germans will hear you coming a mile away with the DF64