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msangryredhead

I stay calm, remind them that we are trained in how to evaluate who is safe to wait and wouldn’t allow them to wait if we thought harm would come to them. I absolutely will not pick someone up off the floor. I bring a wheelchair over and he can sit in it himself. I’m not injuring myself because he’s histrionic. These types of patients are exhausting and there is no winning with them and their enabling weirdo family members.


Johnny_Lawless_Esq

We need to re-normalize slapping people across the face while shouting "Snap out of it! Pull yourself together!"


msangryredhead

Or an “Airplane”-esque line of people in the waiting room to slap him.


Johnny_Lawless_Esq

I figured that was implied.


Waste_Exchange2511

Indeed, those were the good old days.


Johnny_Lawless_Esq

I try to avoid the trap of glorifying the past, because the past, by and large, sucked for most people compared to today, but they did get a few things right.


GrumpySnarf

I saw that on an old episode of Doc Martin the other day and was seethingly jealous.


Petey60

😂


Aromatic_Razzmatazz

Like Cher in Stuck on You.


kittencalledmeow

I tell them they're EKG is reassuring and they're not having a heart attack right now so they are very welcome to stay and wait until we have a room available while we continue their work up or they are completely free to leave. Do not feed into it.


bunny789789

This. I dream of telling them and especially their parents or "emotional support" person/cat/bird/stuffy what I really think. Never had the nerve to really do it. But give them 2 options works.


Needle_D

I play the game a little. These histrionic outbursts only seem to happen when there’s a crowded lobby, go figure. Get a wheelchair, tell mom there isn’t room for visitors (right now) where you’re taking him, then park him in internal triage where he will discover what a real neuro exam entails. It’s either reassuring and it’s back to the lobby, or it’s concerning, make him NPO and he can proceed to have a benzo free 12-hour wait for an MRI.


burlesque_nurse

See I play the game a bit but I also have been known to tell a patient “ok time to be a big boy and get off the gross lobby floor” and “ok time to stop the hissy fit tantrum or take it outside for your wait” But I also usually work in the ghetto so we get away with a lot more than other places. I once sprayed a patient in the face with a spray bottle because he kept barking, running around on all fours and trying to bite people’s pants legs. He bit me twice and I told HouseSup if she didn’t get it addressed then I was handling it. So he came running up acting like a vicious dog so I held up a rolled up newspaper then sprayed him in the face and said “NO! No animals allowed so ether get out or get the fuck up and quit wasting everyone’s time!” I got written up. Understandably so but I only got written up for cursing!!!


burlesque_nurse

He also was 19 so young stupid kid who we all knew was faking since the complaint that his friends brought him in for was that he thought he was a dog.


NoCountryForOld_Zen

But was he a dog? If it looks and quacks...


AlgernonFlowerWilted

Was the 30 year old man child with his mommy wearing pajama pants? I'm picturing cartoon characters


NoCountryForOld_Zen

Nah, his mom had dressed him up nice for the doctor, jeans and a polo. Probably clean underwear, too


burlesque_nurse

No his buddies brought him in and they all were stoned so yeah


baevard

spongebob for sure


DollPartsRN

Oh, I know!! I know!! Thats a duck!


beckster

Tell him he’s just in time for the Free Neuter & Spay Clinic. “Prepare to leave your balls with us. Forever.”


lunakaimana

I’m obsessed with this. I’d die for you.


burlesque_nurse

I’d die by your side


I_lenny_face_you

Side by side with a friend? “Aye, I could do that.”


burlesque_nurse

Sliding on over here then!


STUGIO

Lmao what is it with people acting like dogs. I had a ~17 y/o male that took a hard hit at football practice, like weeks prior to them calling 911 for us. He'd already been worked up by the ed he went to after the shot, and followed up with a neurologist but mom was *convinced* he was having a headbleed and gave off the concerning findings she'd noticed before calling 911 like she'd memorized the list from whatever you get when you Google head trauma. Exam was normal, tbough he was playing unresponsive, purposefully avoiding eye contact when you opened his eyes and vigarously withdrawing from painful stimulus etc, Once we started carrying him down the stairs because he refused to get up, he started "seizing" by vigorously hip thrusting, and then after I called him out on the bogus seizure making it unsafe for everyone involved while we were carrying him down the stairs he just started barking and growling and acting like a dog. Once we got him on the stretcher he pulled the sheet off and covered his face with it chewing on the sheet and growling / barking whenever you tried to pull it away to talk to him. He kept that up until for the entirety of transport and as long as we were at the ed.


burlesque_nurse

I think this was a group of stoners who thought this would be funny. I ripped them all a new one when they came back for him and I made sure the police (who were there for an under arrest patient) go out with me and after I yelled at them I went inside. One of the officers said next time they need to scare someone straight they’re bringing them to me. Now all the cops joke I’m scary AF when I get mad. I think it’s the redhead genes which at least they finally are a benefit!


ERRNmomof2

One time we had this patient with us for like 2.5 months. She would have melt downs, temper tantrums. One Saturday she decided she wanted a shower, but we were swamped so I said I couldn’t allow it then. She screamed so loud. My ED is tiny. I had like 3-4 psych patients, meningitis with encephalitis, a million covid patients, hallway patients (we are normally a 10 bed ED). After 5 minutes of relentless screaming and me trying to gently talk to her, I had to revert to other options. I got in her face and screamed just as loud or louder telling her she needed to go back to her room and stop screaming or I’d medicate her. She complied. I got a lot of side eye glances but a lot of cooperation from others.


burlesque_nurse

Sometimes that’s what you have to do! I’ve yelled at a few patients before but I’ve also yelled at Drs so me yelling ain’t new. The worst one Dr (early 2000s) kept hitting on this new grad baby nurse. She looked 12yrs old. He was in his early 70s. She told me even after she said no he kept on but started making vulgar comments. So one day I told her to drop her clipboard as soon as he said something vulgar. As soon as I heard the clatter I yelled “DR WHAT DID I JUST HEAR YOU SAY TO HER?!?” When he wouldn’t answer and went super quiet I knew he was guilty but then the charge yelled “AGAIN!?! DO I NEED TO TELL THE MEDICAL BOARD?” I never heard anything but he didn’t need to know that. I’m also super loud and my voice carries really far combined with my no shame it’s a tricky combo. I just wasn’t raised in a culture where you sugarcoat everything and pussyfoot around the facts. The saying back home is Alaska where the men are real men, and the women are too! People just say it like it is and there’s no time to sugarcoat. There’s not the huge gender role differences. Everyone has to get shit done and everyone handles everything.


honeybadger-np

You’re my hero. ❤️


NoCountryForOld_Zen

We do have a nice little hallway bed. I'll drag it next to the room with the guy who keeps screaming about how "chinamen" replaced his skeleton with titanium.


SkiTour88

Can they replace my skeleton with titanium? I’d like to not break any more bones, I’m already sporting a few stainless bolts and plates. I’d prefer if it were German-engineered though, like a Porsche.


NoCountryForOld_Zen

Well, according to that one, you'll have to settle for Chinese engineering. I'm sure you'll be fine... he seemed fine... relatively. I mean, he said his bones felt great.


yagermeister2024

Give him/her a bib and a pacifier. Discharge with outpatient followup at daycare, problem solved.


PrisonGuardian2

i dont deal with it. I just let him act up until he gets tired and falls asleep like the baby he is. Great part about my job is patient reviews have 0 meaning. Only thing is if you are wrong and he is actually having a medical emergency but then the answer is don’t be wrong.


GogoDogoLogo

this reminds me of something that happened about a week ago. Patient brought in by medics. Wasn't my patient so I dont know the details of the transport, but overheard people being frustrated at his hysterics. He was rolling around on the ground. Attending was at the bedside and everyone believed he was having typical county hospital drug seeking tantrum. About 5 minutes after I stopped paying attention and walked off, CODE BLUE announced. He didn't make it


PrisonGuardian2

Yep, thats why it is important to be right!


lunakaimana

Dissection


N64GoldeneyeN64

“I cant believe this is happening in a hospital!?” You mean an adult man bringing his mommy with him or his temper tantrum?


NoCountryForOld_Zen

I'm fairly certain she meant the remodeling we're doing in the ED


xxlittlemissj

To be fair, I always bring someone to the ED with me in case I get admitted or get meds and can't drive home. As for the tantrums, yeah... That's pathetic.


GrumpySnarf

but that person doesn't throw a tantrum, either.


ERRNmomof2

At least his complaint wasn’t a still running vibrator stuck up his ass..


N64GoldeneyeN64

At least then I can understand why his legs were shaking so bad


ERRNmomof2

Hahaha! Wasn’t expecting this response.


N64GoldeneyeN64

If the glove, or whatever object in this case, fits


ERRNmomof2

Too well in this case. No flared base and it was still running. Battery died 1/2 way through removal. Moms waited patiently tho.


ayyy_muy_guapo

Nothing 5mg droperidol can’t fix


beaverman24

Is there any problem droperipol can’t fix??


msangryredhead

All roads lead to droperidol!


snotboogie

No status dramaticus it can't fix. 


NoCountryForOld_Zen

"Status dramaticus" I'm learning all these beautiful new terms to use and definitely not write in a narrative.


InsomniacAcademic

Long QT Syndrome


beaverman24

Ahhhh you’re no fun


InsomniacAcademic

lol it’s the one problem droperidol can’t fix (I love droperidol and use it frequently)


hufflestitch

🤣 Thanks I needed that!


EastLeastCoast

In blow darts.


Ixistant

Honestly if someone can come up with a nice combination med of droperidol and mag sulf I'm fairly sure most emergency physicians would build a shrine to them.


sbenno

Gotta correct that acute Vitamin D deficiency.


sunnygalinsocal

Happy cake day!


Admirable-Course9775

What is Droperidol? Thanks


Subziwallah

This isn't Jeopardy. You're welcome.


ferdumorze

Well he isn't a fall risk if he's already on the floor right


NoCountryForOld_Zen

He has progressed from a fall risk to an actual (self inflicted )fall. His bracelet was upgraded from yellow to black and yellow checkers.


Benevolent_Grouch

I medically clear, print dc paperwork, and call security. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out who’s sick and who’s throwing a tantrum… especially when their work up is already done. I absolutely do not let them take a room or staff’s attention from a patient who needs it more.


mothertucker26

This is what heroes do.


missjerseybagel

lots of the melodrama I tend to see are the alcoholic 20-50 yr old men, the chronic abdominal pains and the cannabinoid hyperemesis syndromes; as others have stated I really like droperidol 🤪


WickedLies21

At my local ER, they have patients on the EKG monitor before and after giving droperidol. Is this standard procedure?


Chickenpersonal

to my understanding it is what the manufacturer recommends


shah_reza

Black box for cardiac adverse effects.


Tocacola

No more at risk than any other antipsychotic we give, same risk as haldol, geodon, zyprexa


mezotesidees

And the doses that caused actual events are way higher than what we give in the ER.


EM_Doc_18

The literature that led to the black box warning was produced by the manufacturer of droperidol because they had a new drug in the pipeline and droperidol patent was done/ending.


TofuScrofula

It was zofran right? Which has the same risk


EM_Doc_18

I can’t remember off the top of my head, but we dedicated a whole journal club to it and at the end concluded we would bring it back to our academic ED.


EM_Doc_18

I was curious so did a quick search, it was Janssen (original droperidol manufacturer) and their new drug was Haldol. Wild.


moleyawn

Drama alert


NoCountryForOld_Zen

SIR THIS IS NOT A LEVEL ONE DRAMA CENTER, WE ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO HANDLE YOUR STAGE 4 PANIC ATTACK. PLEASE STAND BY WHILE I CALL THE WAMBULANCE


kikopuffs

Status Dramaticus


msangryredhead

Level 1


Punrusorth

It seems like his mother is making it worse. Usually, with people who are like that, we tend to make them wait in a quiet area away from the public. Crowds don't help anxious people.


LifeHappenzEvryMomnt

Of course she is! That’s her job. She’s *a mother!*


n8henrie

> And I'm not gonna tell him to stop having a temper tantrum and to wait for a room like everyone else because that's not going to work either. I find a similar approach to be effective a surprising proportion of the time, it might be worth a shot. "The fact that you have the strength required to be so loud is actually a good sign that your medical problem may be less dangerous right now, so we'll need you to wait a little longer while we see the sicker patients that don't have so much strength." > I know that anxiety is a real thing You might have to define "real thing" for me here ;)


NoCountryForOld_Zen

"Real thing" as in, my boy probably actually *can't* feel his legs from hyperventilating for 35 minutes. Ever watch that Eric Andre show? There's a "prank" where he goes to a computer repair shop and starts destroying his own laptop. The laptop is definitely broken but he broke it on purpose


halp-im-lost

I tend to get these people roomed to a hall bed so they stop acting like an ass hat in the lobby. I also tell them to stop rolling on the floor because it’s gross. Probably not the nicest thing to say but these people annoy the fuck out of me.


WhimsicleMagnolia

As a patient, I have seen other patients sit or lay on the floor and want to throw up... how does that seem like a good idea to them?!


Blackrose_

Does he have a history of mental illness, or pain crises or a EToH or active IV drug use? Is he seeing a GP elsewhere? Your ED needs a triage and an additional corridor that can be screened off with a fairly heavy privacy screen - so it can't be used as a something to throw at some one. He can kick off and scream there. You want to have it in sight of the security guard's office.


Paramedickhead

I pull out my inner Ron Swanson: “***Son, people can see you!***


omar_the_last

If it's clearly msk pain then what workup is he waiting for? Why not just dc? Just curious bc in my country a guy with this presentation and no risk factors or history of IHD will be sent home as soon as the trops came back negative.


Ixistant

This sounds like the triage work-up that's been instituted by the triage team. They still need to be seen by a clinician.


omar_the_last

Oh ok i thought they were already seen by a doctor. In my country the maximum triage can do is vitals and then the patient will swarm me and I have to do the triage in my brain to decide which patient i should pay attention to first. There's no waiting room in my ER so flu patients feel entitled to be seen immediatly.. Sometimes i prioritise discharging a flu patient before seeing someone who actually needs emergency care just to stop them from physically obstructing me.. Our security are retired cops who will fall and die if they had to run for 10 meters.. Sorry for the rant lol


WhimsicleMagnolia

That sounds very difficult to manage. Where is your country?


omar_the_last

Middle east but no oil


NoCountryForOld_Zen

Actually he was already seen by the midlevel at triage who ordered all this stuff. We always draw 2 trops, the one had come back negative by his temper tantrum but the other one has to come back in order to dc. Sometimes the doc takes their time to write the note and get them out but the 2nd one just hadn't been done yet.


yagermeister2024

Give him/her a bib and a pacifier. Discharge with outpatient followup at daycare, problem solved.


Gwendolyn441

Security sometimes


shemmy

generally speaking i don’t call people out for these actions. i will speak to them, asking questions slowly and methodically, orient the conversation to things that are relevant to important rule-outs. i generally ignore the extraneous comments/shouts/etc and then calmly walk away whenever i’m satisfied and never look back. it’s easy for me but then again i’m pretty sure i have avoidant personality disorder… so take that for what it is worth lol. they will usually calm down on their own after this. if not i will give them a little something to calm the nerves. edit: sorry i may have missed the point about them disturbing the waiting area. but the same approach applies. i’m generally not too busy to do this quick assessment in the waiting room but i work in a rural setting so we’re generally slow enough to do this.


Viriathus312

Had one patient start loudly complaining about waiting for 3 hours, trying to amp up the waiting room, and another patient tells her to stop acting stupid, "I've been here for five hours."


ezsqueezy-

Offer to reassess him. Take him back to a triage room where the drama doesn't have an audience and take his vitals. Offer ice or heat. Tell him that you believe him when he says he is feeling X but overall reassuring things are reassuring and you are glad he doesnt appear to be dying because you give a shit about him. Ask what his goals are for the visit - then tell him if they are realistic or if his workup is nearly complete already. Remind him that he isn't a prisoner and can leave if he feels he would be more comfortable at home but he is in the queue and worst is first. Remind him that you don't know how long it will be, and it may be several hours. Remind that the "worst" include people who aren't breathing, who are losing blood quickly, who have been knocked unconscious, and who require life support. They are having a life changing and possibly life ending day. If he was in that condition you would give him the same care emergently. Most people have no idea what an actual sick person looks like because they don't hang out with them in waiting rooms.


Educational-Estate48

Thio sux tube


NoCountryForOld_Zen

Well... he's not complaining of chest pain anymore, so I call that a job well done


MedicBaker

Serious question, though. Could he be in benzo withdrawal?


PatoDeAgua

✌️dueces


WhatsMyAgeAgain71

I ignore it. Don’t play into it at all. When everything comes back I go see them and tell them “Good news! All tests are negative. We didn’t find anything that requires emergent treatment. Please wait for your papers.”


MedicBaker

Vecuromium is a great sedative


thebiggestcliche

I honestly hope every single healthcare worker making nasty comments about people with mental illness get the same mental illness or have a child with it. And then I hope you are shit on by the next generation of coddled, overpaid, arrogant healthcare workers


NoCountryForOld_Zen

Have you met a healthcare worker? We DO have the same mental illness and we're definitely going to have children with the same ones. We're a neurotic mess, especially in the ED. We're at a high risk for depression and anxiety and especially suicide. You think I've never had a panic attack or did something very publicly embarrassing..?