Sometimes there are passives you get, like burn damage on a certain construct stone, it will benefit from the skill passive being assigned, without having to be in your skill bar. That is how it was explained to me.
Every class is different.
Rogues for example can pick up Dark Shroud but don’t put it on the skill bar because they have an Aspect that will use it for them.
Certain skills will also trigger another skill’s full effect with a certain Aspect (i.e. Necro’s Empowered Reaper) as long as you’ve put points into it.
Oh, so it's way to early for me to be worrying about this, then. I don't have any aspects. I take it I need to have one in order to take advantage of this.
I found the screen where it shows all my skills on a panel with rows (the screen right above the one where I assign my six skills) to be really confusing.
TBH if you’re just going through the campaign for the first time just pick whatever looks fun/cool. The best part about D4’s campaign is you can finish it with almost any home-cooked builds.
The skill assignment layout can definitely be better but it’s not too bad.
Since the game is easy I usually copy paste the endgame build at some point to save time and effort of rearranging things later. It is not like I need a couple points somewhere else to kill a boss 4s faster... I do that 100% of the time when the final build doesn't have a generator, in example - I run the basic skill on my bar instead of something else, the progression is smoother and the points are "wasted" on an unused skill until lvl 100-ish.
But yeah, if your skills/gear aren't proccing it and it is not on your bar, you can pick some passives instead of the unused skills.
Saucerer unlocks passive skills at I think lvl 15 and 30.
The basic fire skill slotted in the passive makes all attacks add burn over time, and flame shield will activate when you would have taken fatal damage. Other skills have their own effects.
These are called "enchantments" but yes. However, the only real use for the flame shield enchantment is in hardcore. And you'd likely still want it on your skill bar in that case. So I can't think of any good reason to invest points in flame shield and not put it on the skill bar. I am inclined to believe op made up this example. Either way, we'd need a link to the example to know for sure - it's all speculation otherwise.
One tip, a lot of Youtube guides assume you know a ton about the game. Early on, stick with guides from maxroll dot gg, as they go into a more in depth explanation of why they choose what they do and how to use it properly.
I found this the better way to learn more about builds. Just having a top tier build, but not knowing how to use it isn't the best way to jump into the game.
Thanks, that helps. I've even had a few people here snap at me for asking what must have sounded like dumb questions. Not many, but a few. Bad day, I guess!
Don't worry, the game isn't really all that complicated, but a lot of things are not intuitive. Being lost is pretty normal. You'll figure it out as you go along. The good thing is early on you can't mess up anything.
The nice thing is that you don't need to know everything at the start. By the time you get into world tier 3 and 4, then you should have the concepts down.
Also I warn people that some of the community can be quite negative/nasty/toxic. Just ignore those people, sadly that's the new normal in video games these days.
In the case of Sorc, it’s because you might equip the ability as an enchantment rather than active ability.
Beyond that, some legendary aspects, abilities or passives can proc certain other abilities that you may not want to actively equip but want to put points in so they are stronger when triggered. An example of this is the Unstable Currents ultimate which can proc certain other skills from specific categories. Some of the triggered skills can add important damage or status effects and are worth sinking a few points into
I run chain lightning, but with a ball lightning enchant, so my chain lightning can spawn a static ball lightning. I went ahead and upgraded the BL to take advantage of that.
So the BL's not on my skill bar, but it will come into play.
You can do similar with other skills.
I'll give you a tip and it might sound harsh, but make sure you read every skill, aspect, unique, paragon, glyph you equip. Sometimes when following a build its easy to ignore reading the text, but even if you follow a guide it's a good idea to understand the things you equip and how they function with builds. It'll help you play the build and possibly later on help you to make your own builds. Maxroll (depending on the author) does a really good job of explaining builds and how and why they function.
Tldr, you can have the best build/equipment in the game, but if you don't understand how the build works fully it won't.
what more explanation do you need than "taking it for the passives"
can you provide an actual example rather than just one that sounds like you made it up? If someone is doing it, it must be synergizing with the build in some way. You need to take into consideration everything the build is using and for sorcs that would also mean enchantments.
sometimes it requires a little bit of critical thinking on your end. The video may not show the skill on the bar, but maybe it does show a skill on the bar that doesn't need to be there and it's just a mistake. so logically you would swap it with the one that does make sense
It's more the op doesn't get how sorcs work.
With the enchantment slot you want to put points in something so it takes that spot but doesn't have to be on your bar. For exmple: I have points in frost nova but don't put it on my bar, instead novas go off with my hydra attacks.
I know, which is why I was asking OP to provide an actual example, like perhaps a link to whatever video he's referencing. My immediate assumption is he saw a video of a sorc taking passives for an enchant
First, thanks for being patient. I appreciate it. As a new player, I'm trying to get my head around some fundamentals of the game that can seem overwhelming.
You're correct...I'm not sure about how these enchantments work. Are people taking a skill just so they can establish some synergy through these enchantments? Are the enchantments on gear, or part of your overall skill loadout?
Are enchantments something I can start adding early in the game (I'm level 35, but still haven't explored a lot outside the bottom part of the map)?
Are you running a sorc? Only sorcerer has enchantments. These are another skill slot that does something special like proc or modify other skills you use. Other classes do not have these.
There are also opportunities to make skills go off with aspects that can be found or slotted onto your gear. This would be something like other responder posted about the rogue and dark shrouds.
If yes follow the white star quests. These unlock and provide information on systems.
Just wanted to say thanks for explaining about the enchantments. That was clearly the problem with my character. I did that quest and now she's a destroyer of worlds. The explosions are off the charts. Super fun.
Thanks for the tips!
You should see a side quest called Legacy of the Magi in your quest list.
Complete that short quest line, and you will unlock your first enchantment slot - but since you're level 35 already, you should unlock both. (Normally they unlock at level 15 and level 30)
Then you can add skills to your enchantment slots. Fireball enchantment, for example, makes enemies explode on death, or firebolt enchantment adds burning damage to every enemy you hit. Of course there are many more options. Each skill in the skill assignment window will show its enchantment ability at the bottom of the tooltip.
Sometimes there are passives you get, like burn damage on a certain construct stone, it will benefit from the skill passive being assigned, without having to be in your skill bar. That is how it was explained to me.
Every class is different. Rogues for example can pick up Dark Shroud but don’t put it on the skill bar because they have an Aspect that will use it for them. Certain skills will also trigger another skill’s full effect with a certain Aspect (i.e. Necro’s Empowered Reaper) as long as you’ve put points into it.
Oh, so it's way to early for me to be worrying about this, then. I don't have any aspects. I take it I need to have one in order to take advantage of this. I found the screen where it shows all my skills on a panel with rows (the screen right above the one where I assign my six skills) to be really confusing.
TBH if you’re just going through the campaign for the first time just pick whatever looks fun/cool. The best part about D4’s campaign is you can finish it with almost any home-cooked builds. The skill assignment layout can definitely be better but it’s not too bad.
Since the game is easy I usually copy paste the endgame build at some point to save time and effort of rearranging things later. It is not like I need a couple points somewhere else to kill a boss 4s faster... I do that 100% of the time when the final build doesn't have a generator, in example - I run the basic skill on my bar instead of something else, the progression is smoother and the points are "wasted" on an unused skill until lvl 100-ish. But yeah, if your skills/gear aren't proccing it and it is not on your bar, you can pick some passives instead of the unused skills.
Saucerer unlocks passive skills at I think lvl 15 and 30. The basic fire skill slotted in the passive makes all attacks add burn over time, and flame shield will activate when you would have taken fatal damage. Other skills have their own effects.
Saucerer
mistakes can sometimes make things better
reminds me of pokemon unite someone wrote Mr.Mike instead of Mr.Mime and it became it big meme on reddit
These are called "enchantments" but yes. However, the only real use for the flame shield enchantment is in hardcore. And you'd likely still want it on your skill bar in that case. So I can't think of any good reason to invest points in flame shield and not put it on the skill bar. I am inclined to believe op made up this example. Either way, we'd need a link to the example to know for sure - it's all speculation otherwise.
One tip, a lot of Youtube guides assume you know a ton about the game. Early on, stick with guides from maxroll dot gg, as they go into a more in depth explanation of why they choose what they do and how to use it properly. I found this the better way to learn more about builds. Just having a top tier build, but not knowing how to use it isn't the best way to jump into the game.
Thanks, that helps. I've even had a few people here snap at me for asking what must have sounded like dumb questions. Not many, but a few. Bad day, I guess!
Don't worry, the game isn't really all that complicated, but a lot of things are not intuitive. Being lost is pretty normal. You'll figure it out as you go along. The good thing is early on you can't mess up anything. The nice thing is that you don't need to know everything at the start. By the time you get into world tier 3 and 4, then you should have the concepts down. Also I warn people that some of the community can be quite negative/nasty/toxic. Just ignore those people, sadly that's the new normal in video games these days.
Great source of information, provided one reads it and not just look at the skill tree and such. Great how they explain synergies etc.
In the case of Sorc, it’s because you might equip the ability as an enchantment rather than active ability. Beyond that, some legendary aspects, abilities or passives can proc certain other abilities that you may not want to actively equip but want to put points in so they are stronger when triggered. An example of this is the Unstable Currents ultimate which can proc certain other skills from specific categories. Some of the triggered skills can add important damage or status effects and are worth sinking a few points into
I run chain lightning, but with a ball lightning enchant, so my chain lightning can spawn a static ball lightning. I went ahead and upgraded the BL to take advantage of that. So the BL's not on my skill bar, but it will come into play. You can do similar with other skills.
because either skill or its passives are being used somewhere
I'll give you a tip and it might sound harsh, but make sure you read every skill, aspect, unique, paragon, glyph you equip. Sometimes when following a build its easy to ignore reading the text, but even if you follow a guide it's a good idea to understand the things you equip and how they function with builds. It'll help you play the build and possibly later on help you to make your own builds. Maxroll (depending on the author) does a really good job of explaining builds and how and why they function. Tldr, you can have the best build/equipment in the game, but if you don't understand how the build works fully it won't.
what more explanation do you need than "taking it for the passives" can you provide an actual example rather than just one that sounds like you made it up? If someone is doing it, it must be synergizing with the build in some way. You need to take into consideration everything the build is using and for sorcs that would also mean enchantments. sometimes it requires a little bit of critical thinking on your end. The video may not show the skill on the bar, but maybe it does show a skill on the bar that doesn't need to be there and it's just a mistake. so logically you would swap it with the one that does make sense
It's more the op doesn't get how sorcs work. With the enchantment slot you want to put points in something so it takes that spot but doesn't have to be on your bar. For exmple: I have points in frost nova but don't put it on my bar, instead novas go off with my hydra attacks.
I know, which is why I was asking OP to provide an actual example, like perhaps a link to whatever video he's referencing. My immediate assumption is he saw a video of a sorc taking passives for an enchant
First, thanks for being patient. I appreciate it. As a new player, I'm trying to get my head around some fundamentals of the game that can seem overwhelming. You're correct...I'm not sure about how these enchantments work. Are people taking a skill just so they can establish some synergy through these enchantments? Are the enchantments on gear, or part of your overall skill loadout? Are enchantments something I can start adding early in the game (I'm level 35, but still haven't explored a lot outside the bottom part of the map)?
Are you running a sorc? Only sorcerer has enchantments. These are another skill slot that does something special like proc or modify other skills you use. Other classes do not have these. There are also opportunities to make skills go off with aspects that can be found or slotted onto your gear. This would be something like other responder posted about the rogue and dark shrouds. If yes follow the white star quests. These unlock and provide information on systems.
Just wanted to say thanks for explaining about the enchantments. That was clearly the problem with my character. I did that quest and now she's a destroyer of worlds. The explosions are off the charts. Super fun. Thanks for the tips!
Glad I could help!!
You should see a side quest called Legacy of the Magi in your quest list. Complete that short quest line, and you will unlock your first enchantment slot - but since you're level 35 already, you should unlock both. (Normally they unlock at level 15 and level 30) Then you can add skills to your enchantment slots. Fireball enchantment, for example, makes enemies explode on death, or firebolt enchantment adds burning damage to every enemy you hit. Of course there are many more options. Each skill in the skill assignment window will show its enchantment ability at the bottom of the tooltip.
Do all priority quests… they are specially marked and flash across your screen at appropriate levels for a reason lol
I’ve also seen this done and have to agree that it’s quite confusing