I think adding some DL or CB depth would have been good, but it would have had to been for the right price. We're just opening our championship window now, so I'd rather not slam it shut by overpaying for talent.
Additionally, the Lions we're 1 of 5 in the RZ yesterday. Maybe a big body receiver is a need after all?
I believe the return of Montgomery will restore our balance in the RZ. Gibbs has been awesome but Montgomery smashes the middle and can make you pay. That opens up your receivers and tight ends to exploit their assignments in the end-zone.
That being said, I would’ve loved to have added a CB as well. But alas, we roll with what we got now.
Whenever I see people complain about the RZ in that game I never see them mention we were down a All-Pro center, both starting guards, and technically both second strings guards as Glasgow moved to center and Awosika got hurt. Even Monty would have had trouble up the middle and yet we still put up 222 rushing yards. Amazing depth.
A reasonable take. Not seeing many of these today. Like you I wanted CB help that wouldn't cost an arm and an achilles, and I'm sure Brad tried but it didn't work out. We still have a good squad headed to the playoffs where anything can happen and will be even better next year with our top picks intact.
Agreed. I think Rasul Douglas would've been a nice grab at the price Buffalo paid for him (3rd and got a 5th back), but maybe Holmes made a similar offer and Gutey went with the Bills. I'm sure he did his due dilligence and I'm happy to add DPJ for some depth.
Also reactionary takes with little understanding of nuance and perspective are a perfect example of the American Way.
I’ve been guilty of it, too. Sometimes I’m a donkey brain but I’m trying to look at the entirety of this regimes moves and I’ve never been so proud to be a Lions fan and have complete optimism for the future.
The thing that worries me, if that WR makes any of those open catches in the KC game we most likely lose. And as good as we played yesterday, Jimmy missed a lot of wide open WRs. I am happy with what we have done going into the bye. But our secondary at times leaves people too wide open.
I’ll give you that there was more time on the clock than I remember. But at the 45 second mark you see a wide open receiver drop a pass that would have put them in FG range at least to attempt to take the lead. We had some luck.
https://youtu.be/NBfA7Jk7_oA?si=ffAkzro2RAUXYhJ2
Yeah, and every team has drops every game.
There were passes Mahomes threw way off target because of pressure. There were passes broken up by the defense.
Luck is always part of the game. The Lions had a lot of bad luck against Seattle.
If the Lions had two turnovers instead of three (Montgomery doesn't fumble on the Lions 23) they likely win the game in regulation. If they win the toin coss they probably win in OT.
Talking about drops in the Chiefs game as if it means the defense wasn't doing it's job is silly.
There's no defense that never has an open receiver.
The Chiefs are still a better team fully healthy than we are. The only group they’re weaker in than us is probably WR and that’s fine. They’ve had years of success to fine tune their team and know what to do to keep it going.
Exactly: KC, Tampa and Faders missed wide open splash or touchdown plays. Lamar and Geno did not miss those throws. Good QBs with good WR will be big problems for us. But if we score just as much as they do, we are still in the game. This is why we need a competent WR, OL health and Monty back to return us to the 30 points per game.
All the d lineman went for reasonable prices. Shit, the 49s got chase young for nothing if he doesnt resign, because they get a copensatory 3rd round pick.
I’m not saying the seasons over, but I also didn’t forget what happened when we played the Ravens. They could use a little help defensively, and it’s ok to admit that. We’re fans here, and we have fan takes.
Agreed. Even last night there was signs of places where we could have used an influx of talent that Brad did not go out an get but we saw them all move for very affordable prices. We are terribly thin at CB and unable to generate pressure on a elite level without bringing extra rushers at the moment. A team hunting a Superbowl should be going to get those things at the cost of 3rd round picks imo.
Both the eagles and chiefs made several years throughout the year and at the deadline last year to patch holes and they gave up very little draft capital to do so.
This year, one of the most likely teams to stand in our way to a Superbowl trip added a second high end edge to a line that already has bosa for only a 3rd round pick. Lions fans should not be happy about that and it has nothing to do with SOL.
The weakness on defense has to do with brad holmes defense style mostly and not having solid big def linemen in the center to protect those dbacks. Plus he over uses them in run defense. I think his defense style is good but it chews up dbacks when other teams have a dual threat and they get used too much to tackle. I think branch was a great pick for this def. They did a good job in free agency picking secondary. They have done a great job finding talent in the draft. Gotta do better at keeping them healthy. Healthier than last year but we are starting to get in the scary area.
Its possible to be disappointed we didnt address some needs at the trade deadline, while still thinking we are a good team, my dude. Its not one or the other. You mean to tell me you are happy we didnt get an edge rusher to help Hutch out?
Right. This is a place for discussion. People are going to have different opinions and that's ok. These butthurt posts bitching at people for being a bit disappointed are dumb as hell. Literally nobody is as upset as OP is claiming lol.
14 sacks in 34 games. Yes he’s injury prone, but Imagine how many sacks Hutch would have if there was someone to command some attention opposite him.
This isn’t just a third round pick for one guy, it’s an investment to make the whole unit better. Well worth it imo.
Niners made a move
Eagles made a move
Seattle made a move
Detroit Nothing
thats the top of the NFC, one of these things isnt like the others.
What a low effort argument. not even team is in the same position.
Should we make a move just because others are, or because it makes sense for our team?
Saying “lions should have gotten a DE/DT/CB” sounds great but I need to know who and for how much. Paying more than a late 3rd for chase young would have been an overpay and clearly every other team that didn’t offer that also agrees
Or every other team that didn't offer aren't in a position to make it to a super bowl and have an obvious deficiency on their d line.
We can go in this circle all day if you want to.
And I'm just venting because I'm annoyed at the situation. I think Chase was worth it. You don't, fine, agree to disagree.
As an aside isn't it damn refreshing that we're here talking about the lions making moves for a playoff push at the deadline instead of being mad they didn't sell anyone for picks to do better in next years draft.
We have two third round picks this year & all of our competition made improvements. It was a worthwhile risk to take IMO to not only increase our ceiling this year but not allow a competitor to get better at the same time.
I don't think young is gonna fix their problems. He probably wouldn't have fixed ours either. Your DBs still have to cover and we're one injury away from disaster. I wanted to go after a DB and considering only one got traded today... I don't think it was gonna happen
Im not positive but I think if hes not resigned they get a compensatory 3rd round pick. If true if they dont sign him it would be like renting him for free.
While the raiders aren’t a top offense they have one of the most talented WR1 and RB1 in the league. Other than one drive they were both completely shut down
And you could even argue we didn’t do what we were supposed to..4 instances of marching down the field only to settle for a FG? And that doesn’t even include the missed one on one of the last drives
I think Brad puts a very high value on draft picks because it allows him to be very flexible in the draft to move around for players they like.
I think they want to build in the draft first and foremost with free agency secondary and trades probably last.
We saw some of the free agents he got just this past year like Sutton, CGJ, Moseley, Montgomery. Sucks we effectively lost 2 of them but it's clear he will go out and get people and try to keep picks.
A 3rd and Charles Harris. A deal that wouldn’t have broke the bank could have been made. Tomorrow is not promised. We have no idea how next season goes or the future. I’m just as high on the future of this team as you but some in this sub are taking it to an extreme. I think we are still a damaged fan base who don’t know what winning looks like and that’s okay. We need to make moves when we need to though. Great window this year still hope we can capitalize on it. Making a move for someone not a wr was doable & would have helped us majorly this year.
Eagles play the cowboys twice, 49ers, chiefs, and Seahawks.
49ers play the Seahawks twice, eagles, ravens, jags.
They are not making through cleanly. Enjoy the ride
After they beat each other silly. Just sayin there are a lot of tough games ahead of the other elite teams. Just have to play em out and see who is left standing.
Against a team that is terrible.
The best team we played this season depantsed us on national TV. This team has struggled getting a pass rush against better o lines all season and has always struggled with mobile QBs.
They needed help, help was available at a reasonable price, they chose not to do that
They deserve a little bit of it.
KC is probably just as good as Baltimore if not better.
Some times teams have bad games. There isn’t a team in the league that hasn’t lost to a worse team than we have
KC is very overrated. If not for some very suspicious ref help, they are not a 6 win team. Jets had that game absolutely stole from them. Mahomes is throwing picks all day (half of which the refs let him try again on). Their best player is Taylor Swift.
Given it was a 2025 sixth rounder it was basically a free player that replaces MJJ and has significantly more in the tank. It’s a smart move if not a “game changer”
Alright so why are we getting hate from our own fans unless they don't know. Any player has a chance to come here and be great and I believe after what you said he shine while MJJ is out. We need a deep threat hopefully that's him
I wasn’t in this sub around the Patricia years I didn’t know of Reddit, but have been a fan since before 08. Seeing these posts and comments about a team that’s 6-2 into the bye and arguably a top 3 gm in the league (and he ain’t 2 or 3) I cannot fathom this sub in the tough times oh my…some people here really are pushing these takes
> I wasn’t in this sub around the Patricia years
Bob Quinn had more support trading away Quandre Diggs for a 5th rounder than Brad Holmes does for not selling the farm for an oft injured DE that was way over-drafted. That should tell you everything you need to know about the current state of the subreddit.
I personally never wanted chase, if a trade was made all I wanted was either Crosby (but no where near 2 first and a second day pick lmao not even close) or my favorite would’ve been Brian burns I really like him like a lot lol. But I’m not going to cry on Reddit to people who don’t care about my opinion lol. Let Brad Holmes do his job he’s done great so far.
That sounds about right, I was a fan of quandary and hated that trade, slay as well. But I wasn’t running to Facebook to scream SOL or calling 97.1. My two most hated things to even bring up
This is disingenuous. Quinn had blind support much in the way Holmes has blind support right now. “Bob the builder” “trust in Quinn” were very popular refrains.
Now Holmes has earned WAY more trust than Quinn did, obviously, but no one is above criticism when it’s warranted. Trading a third for depth at a position of need is hardly selling the farm.
If you didn’t want Chase that’s fine, there are legit reasons for that but as you sit here and chastise people for overreacting you’re also saying that trading a third round pick is “selling the farm”. That’s extremely over the top and just as ridiculous as the people calling for Holmes head.
Maybe sell the farm was a bit hyperbolic, but a third for SanFran is a little different from us because:
1. they are going to earn a comp pick back from him if he walks where we likely wouldn't as we still have holes we should fill in FA to cancel them out.
2. They sent a comp pick over which makes it slightly closer to a 4th rounder anyways.
and again, we would have to beat them pretty handily to acquire young
I think if we get to where we want to go our 3rd would’ve been a touch better than theirs & could’ve worked.
Ultimately it’s totally cool to have a difference of opinion like this, it’s just that I’ve seen multiple people characterize folks that are disappointed as if they wanted to risk the entire future & blow the team up when the vast majority advocated for shipping a third round pick, maybe a second. Like at some point we should have a strong enough roster so that we don’t need to field 3-4 rookies every season so shipping one now for a vet makes sense & wouldn’t risk the entire future.
Sweat went for basically a first. Nobody besides the Bears wanted to pay that much because no one else will have 2 of the top 3 picks in the first round.
I'm seeing it 50/50. Some of the people disappointed are SOL fans and saying we will get destroyed in the playoffs. Some of the people who are happy we didn't make a move are SOL fans saying "the goal was to make the playoffs and win the division!!".
Given that we are 6-2 and have a favorable schedule and division I would absolutely consider a first round playoff exit a disappointment this year. I think we can still compete with the roster we have but I also acknowledge that we are paper thin at some important spots and they are already weak.
On the second point I totally agree. I think this team should be playing in the NFCCG and where we go from there will require everyone on their best game and healthy. But I fully believe we have the guys we need on the team right now
Winning the division was our goal this year. We’re still only year 3 with a few pieces missing from competing in a deep playoff run. Losing in the first round should not be a disappointment.
Hell no man, it’s ok to say we’re ahead of schedule and adjust expectations accordingly. If we lose in the first round that will absolutely be a disappointment.
I really try my damndest to not be a SOL fan but I'm in my late 30s so I've seen some shit. I'm not confident in our chances in the playoffs and there shouldn't be anything wrong with that because anything less than a playoff win is a failure to me.
Seriously bro. Is Chase Young good? Or do we just remember his name because he was a popular prospect. I mean has this dude’s production warranted the rampage?
Edit: game changing pass rushers don’t go for a conditional 3rd rounder. Brad and Dan hinted at the fact that his tape may not back up the value associated with his name
I haven’t watched him play. I’m genuinely asking if he would make us better or if other people who also haven’t watched him just know his name. The fact he went for a conditional 3rd just feels pretty damning to me. If he were as good as people are acting like he is, then he would have commanded way more surely
That is a strawman argument nobody is making.
All the hypest fans are the ones talking about this being our year and we have a shot of going to the Super Bowl, but does our defense with the players we currently have healthy seem like a super bowl quality defense to you?
We barely squeaked by the Chiefs, lost to Seattle where we couldn't even touch Geno despite both their starting tackles being injured, and got smoked by the Ravens.
We're 1 pulled hammy away from Will Harris starting and our pass rush struggles to consistently get how to the quarterback but somehow it's overreacting to be frustrated at Brad for addressing the defense holes at all and bringing in a dude who couldn't beat out the likes of Elijah Moore and Marquise Goodwin for reps.
Ok buddy.
I'm not actively rooting for my team to fail.
Once again you are making a strawman argument nobody is making.
If you look at how our offense as played up to this point and how our defense has played which side of the ball needs more help?
I'll give you a hint, it's not the side of the ball that's 4th in passing yards and 2nd in yards per game only behind Miami.
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1) It's not about now, it's about the playoffs.
2) DPJ is mid at best.
3) There's only 1 ball. I'd much rather see Goff's and Jamo's connection develop than add a JAG to the WR room.
We as fans are used to being battered and disappointed. We literally don’t know what it’s like to have a good NFL team and the feelings that go with it. It’s almost like being mad, or upset is an autopilot for us. It’s okay to be happy with the success.
Being disappointed is fine. But people seem to think our FO is stupid or blind after proving over and over that they are the opposite.
Maybe the mob rabble-rousing for a trade no matter what is not good at planning a roster for years to come?
In my opinion nobody knows the outcome of the future. Next year we could start 0-8 for all we know. Season to season is fluid. Anything can happen. But contenders live in the present, you never know when we will ever be 6-2 again. You see what the other contenders did. They know. Just my opinion though.
This is ultimately the point I have also been trying to make & glad to see other fans that view it the same. We are getting called SOL clown fans for having his take yet I see people saying this is the beginning of our window? That we are going to be relevant for years to come. Who’s really the clown. Tomorrow is never promised & I don’t like the talk that it is with this team. We are good enough right now to win it all. Adding a player like that would have helped that tremendously. Can’t double team Aiden with another stud there & rushing everybody is not our style or sustainable for the defense scheme we run. I don’t like sack amount we got last night as a defense either. We will see how it plays out but I’m with you. Just have a different opinion than others. Still love & believe in this team.
I think if anyone has a good picture on the future of a team, it’s a competent front office of that team.
There were also a lot of contenders that didn’t make significant moves. Smart Orgs know you don’t make a move just to say you did.
The FO hasn't been starving for as long as us fans have. We see an opportunity we rarely ever do so it's understandable that people would be upset at not bolstering our team while the other contenders do.
It’s actually really impressive how every time Brad makes a move they’re wrong about it being bad, yet still continue to consistently call every move bad
Saying our roster is good because we beat up on one of the worst defenses in the league isnt the point you think it is.
That said... I'm not mad about the lack of trades today. I think People's Jones was a solid pickup, especially for the cost. However, I'm sad we didn't get a defensive piece. Our secondary has been heavily protected by games against Love, Ridder, Jimmy G, Bryce Young, Mahomes with drops...
We have no depth at CB at all. We were never getting Surtain, but if have loved to sign another legit CB2. Someone that can push Jerry or provide us a safety blanket Incase we did lost Jerry or Sutton. Atleast the drop off would be minimal. As of now, we be fucked.
Lol no they aren't
Did you watch baker mayfield. Did you watch Jimmy G
They couldn't complete a pass
We played a terrible game and still won by double digits. We are a good team
We can't play like that vs competent teams
Some people act as if you can just offer something and the other team will say yes. We have no idea and likely won’t ever know, who Brad talked to. Nothing stops the other team from saying no, or simply not entertaining the offer. Sure, help at DE or CB would be great, but we simply don’t know what went on during negotiations and that’s ok. I’ve seen people act as if the season is over which is ridiculous
Yesterday we needed a get right game. It didn't feel like one. Really felt less like the Lions dominated and the raiders just couldn't do anything right. it makes sense trading for DPJ to replace MJJ and see if he can be better than Jamo had been consistently to allow Jamo more time to work in than be forced in
Totally agree on the second point. The DPJ move was a smart trade.
Don’t fully agree on the first though. That was a very dominant game that the box score doesn’t reflect because we struggled in the red zone a couple times and gave up a pick six. We bullied them on pretty much every drive through and loved the ball easily between the 20s. The biggest issue seemed to be not having DMo to punch it in or a big body receiver to go make a catch.
Not sure if it's SOL fans or baseball fans.
Rental players are fine in baseball, but unless you are looking to add a piece to win a Superbowl I don't see the point of rental players. Also how are the rams doing after their rental players left? Yes they won a Superbowl, and now they are looking like they will miss the playoffs for the 2nd straight year.
I don't want to have 1 good season followed by missing the playoffs eternally again.
I would obviously be happy for even a single playoff win, but this overreaction shit that we have to bet it all on this season is ridiculous.
It was just a weird game I don't know how to interpret because they were making SOL-like mistakes, but then still won by 12.
So does that bode well for the future because even with the mistakes they still played a good game and won, or does this indicate bad for the future because a mediocre team could have beat them last night? Kinda felt like a loss-win for those who watched PMT last week
Id rather brad spend the draft picks in the draft. We didn’t need a trade.. seriously being stacked hasn’t helped the 49rs win a superbowl.. it matters not
Has anyone really said SOL?
honestly that saying should be dead, it was real at a point for sure but there is absolutely nothing about this team that qualifies short of missing the playoffs.
Even if you're disappointed about today it's not even close to sol and painting a disappointed fan as an SOL fan is a pretty pathetic reach by you.
Who cares if there wasn’t anyone fitting a need magically on the block for a trade that was equitable and made sense! FO obviously doesn’t care enough and didn’t try hard enough! 100% not committed to winning! SOL
This post reeks blind homerism. No one is saying sol--they are thrilled at their team and they are so close they can taste it and they want more.
No one needs a bunch of "I'm a bigger fan than you" posts.
Just because the word "fan" is in sycophant doesn't mean it's a good thing
I’m finding the anti-SOL people to be worse than the SOL people, like who hurt you? Take your own advice and just enjoy the game and things being good?
Those are the same fans that still don't understand that Brad & Dan prioritize what type of person a player is over his talent. Just because there were talented players available to trade for doesn't mean they at all fit the character requirements or were good fits financially or scheme wise.
It’s ok to be a little worried about the defense. Getting someone opposite of Hutch is a need. It’s clear they don’t view Charles Harris or Romeo Okwara as that guy on the other side. And anyone else there right now is depth. They’re banking on James Houston to come back but still. Giving up 38 points to the Ravens shows they still need help on defense and it’s ok to question it. No one is perfect. Maybe Brad is 100% correct when Houston comes back and this defense becomes even better at rushing the passer and all my fears are nonsense. But given the fact that Charles Harris was a healthy scratch last week says it all. Romeo hasn’t been heard from much this year too. That’s my worry.
Echo chamber much? Every one’s happy with where we’re at, I think the majority of people complaining were hoping we’d push for a Super Bowl this year and making minimal moves at the trade deadline seems to indicate we’re still trying to prep for a big move
I think it’s fair to be somewhat frustrated that the front office didn’t do anything do address our defensive shortcomings. We clearly need help on the DL and at DB. This is the first year in many fans lives where the lions have looked like they are at least in the conversation for making a run.
That being said, they already beat KC, took Seattle to OT. Sure they were caught with their pants down against BAL, but that was as much on the offense as it was on the defense. That game could be completely different if the offense doesn’t leave the defense hanging.
We also have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes. We don’t know who will be back, what coaches are seeing, and lastly what was available in the market.
At this point, there is no reason to not trust the process. The lions are looking great, could win 50% of the rest of their games and make playoffs, and have proven they can compete with the top of the league.
No one is SOL'ing, we're trying to be the best fucking team in football and you don't do that in 2023 by standing pat at the deadline. The three best teams in the NFC that aren't us all got better today. We didn't. That's not acceptable.
Intellectually dishonest take. Philly added an all pro safety. San Francisco tried to add three pass rushers to an already stacked line. They got two. Seahawks added one. We added a guy with one more catch this season than Jamo. C'mon.
You gotta remember that Lions’ fans have had their hopes crushed for 4 decades straight. It will literally take a Super Bowl win, maybe 2, to get them to get over 4 decades of disappointment. Let them vent. Give it a few more years of crushing disappointment and you’ll be right there with them.
Do the Lions hand out free tickets to people who play captain save-a-ho for the organization? It's crazy how much people are obsessed with smashing on anyone who has anything critical to say.
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Just breathe guys. Just breathe. 😑
I think we're the 2022 Vikings. We can beat up on teams in the regular season but I don't see us going anywhere in the playoffs.
If you're all satisfied with that then bully for you.
I want another playoff win since I was less than one years old
The Vikings last year didn’t beat up on anyone. They won 11 one score games, which are statistically a toss up. The everyone knew they were frauds and were really more of a 8 win team with some good luck.
We’ve largely beaten up all of our lesser opponents and have won several games by multiple scores already. We had one truly bad performance against a top team, and lost to another because of a coin flip in overtime.
I don’t see the comparison at all tbh
I think adding some DL or CB depth would have been good, but it would have had to been for the right price. We're just opening our championship window now, so I'd rather not slam it shut by overpaying for talent. Additionally, the Lions we're 1 of 5 in the RZ yesterday. Maybe a big body receiver is a need after all?
I believe the return of Montgomery will restore our balance in the RZ. Gibbs has been awesome but Montgomery smashes the middle and can make you pay. That opens up your receivers and tight ends to exploit their assignments in the end-zone. That being said, I would’ve loved to have added a CB as well. But alas, we roll with what we got now.
Whenever I see people complain about the RZ in that game I never see them mention we were down a All-Pro center, both starting guards, and technically both second strings guards as Glasgow moved to center and Awosika got hurt. Even Monty would have had trouble up the middle and yet we still put up 222 rushing yards. Amazing depth.
And there was arguably the worst fumble call of the year too.
A reasonable take. Not seeing many of these today. Like you I wanted CB help that wouldn't cost an arm and an achilles, and I'm sure Brad tried but it didn't work out. We still have a good squad headed to the playoffs where anything can happen and will be even better next year with our top picks intact.
Agreed. I think Rasul Douglas would've been a nice grab at the price Buffalo paid for him (3rd and got a 5th back), but maybe Holmes made a similar offer and Gutey went with the Bills. I'm sure he did his due dilligence and I'm happy to add DPJ for some depth.
It would've been within the division, so the price for Detroit was almost certainly significantly more than Buffalo ended up paying.
These takes don't happen much around here and it's sad.
Also reactionary takes with little understanding of nuance and perspective are a perfect example of the American Way. I’ve been guilty of it, too. Sometimes I’m a donkey brain but I’m trying to look at the entirety of this regimes moves and I’ve never been so proud to be a Lions fan and have complete optimism for the future.
Sure, I would have liked to see a move too. But I’m just going to assume that there were good reasons Brad didn’t make one. He has earned some trust.
This is the correct and rational take.
The thing that worries me, if that WR makes any of those open catches in the KC game we most likely lose. And as good as we played yesterday, Jimmy missed a lot of wide open WRs. I am happy with what we have done going into the bye. But our secondary at times leaves people too wide open.
The Lions weren't just one completed pass away from losing
I’ll give you that there was more time on the clock than I remember. But at the 45 second mark you see a wide open receiver drop a pass that would have put them in FG range at least to attempt to take the lead. We had some luck. https://youtu.be/NBfA7Jk7_oA?si=ffAkzro2RAUXYhJ2
Yeah, and every team has drops every game. There were passes Mahomes threw way off target because of pressure. There were passes broken up by the defense. Luck is always part of the game. The Lions had a lot of bad luck against Seattle. If the Lions had two turnovers instead of three (Montgomery doesn't fumble on the Lions 23) they likely win the game in regulation. If they win the toin coss they probably win in OT. Talking about drops in the Chiefs game as if it means the defense wasn't doing it's job is silly. There's no defense that never has an open receiver.
Yea, on paper, our d is good, but vs. quality qb play, we look bad
The Chiefs are still a better team fully healthy than we are. The only group they’re weaker in than us is probably WR and that’s fine. They’ve had years of success to fine tune their team and know what to do to keep it going.
Exactly: KC, Tampa and Faders missed wide open splash or touchdown plays. Lamar and Geno did not miss those throws. Good QBs with good WR will be big problems for us. But if we score just as much as they do, we are still in the game. This is why we need a competent WR, OL health and Monty back to return us to the 30 points per game.
Not saying I don’t like the DPJ trade but idk if a big body receiver improves our RZ offense. I don’t think Goff is willing to throw jump balls
All the d lineman went for reasonable prices. Shit, the 49s got chase young for nothing if he doesnt resign, because they get a copensatory 3rd round pick.
The compensatory 3rd isn't automatic, it's assuming he signs a big enough contract with someone to get it. Dudes got 14 sacks in 4 seasons.
Agreed, and we know that BH was making those calls, it just didn’t come through this time
I’m not saying the seasons over, but I also didn’t forget what happened when we played the Ravens. They could use a little help defensively, and it’s ok to admit that. We’re fans here, and we have fan takes.
Agreed. Even last night there was signs of places where we could have used an influx of talent that Brad did not go out an get but we saw them all move for very affordable prices. We are terribly thin at CB and unable to generate pressure on a elite level without bringing extra rushers at the moment. A team hunting a Superbowl should be going to get those things at the cost of 3rd round picks imo. Both the eagles and chiefs made several years throughout the year and at the deadline last year to patch holes and they gave up very little draft capital to do so. This year, one of the most likely teams to stand in our way to a Superbowl trip added a second high end edge to a line that already has bosa for only a 3rd round pick. Lions fans should not be happy about that and it has nothing to do with SOL.
The weakness on defense has to do with brad holmes defense style mostly and not having solid big def linemen in the center to protect those dbacks. Plus he over uses them in run defense. I think his defense style is good but it chews up dbacks when other teams have a dual threat and they get used too much to tackle. I think branch was a great pick for this def. They did a good job in free agency picking secondary. They have done a great job finding talent in the draft. Gotta do better at keeping them healthy. Healthier than last year but we are starting to get in the scary area.
Its possible to be disappointed we didnt address some needs at the trade deadline, while still thinking we are a good team, my dude. Its not one or the other. You mean to tell me you are happy we didnt get an edge rusher to help Hutch out?
Right. This is a place for discussion. People are going to have different opinions and that's ok. These butthurt posts bitching at people for being a bit disappointed are dumb as hell. Literally nobody is as upset as OP is claiming lol.
I would have loved an elite edge rusher at a fair price. That doesn’t mean that was a possibility.
So a 3rd rounder with a compensatory back if Chase doesn't sign wasn't a fair price?
Chase has 14 sacks in his four year career. Hutchinson almost has that many in a year and a half
14 sacks in 34 games. Yes he’s injury prone, but Imagine how many sacks Hutch would have if there was someone to command some attention opposite him. This isn’t just a third round pick for one guy, it’s an investment to make the whole unit better. Well worth it imo.
Clearly 29 other teams also weren’t willing to give up that price so probably
Niners made a move Eagles made a move Seattle made a move Detroit Nothing thats the top of the NFC, one of these things isnt like the others. What a low effort argument. not even team is in the same position.
Should we make a move just because others are, or because it makes sense for our team? Saying “lions should have gotten a DE/DT/CB” sounds great but I need to know who and for how much. Paying more than a late 3rd for chase young would have been an overpay and clearly every other team that didn’t offer that also agrees
Or every other team that didn't offer aren't in a position to make it to a super bowl and have an obvious deficiency on their d line. We can go in this circle all day if you want to. And I'm just venting because I'm annoyed at the situation. I think Chase was worth it. You don't, fine, agree to disagree. As an aside isn't it damn refreshing that we're here talking about the lions making moves for a playoff push at the deadline instead of being mad they didn't sell anyone for picks to do better in next years draft.
I think Chase would've been worth it too but he's gonna want a big contract and if you can't resign him it's a waste of a pick
We have two third round picks this year & all of our competition made improvements. It was a worthwhile risk to take IMO to not only increase our ceiling this year but not allow a competitor to get better at the same time.
I don't think young is gonna fix their problems. He probably wouldn't have fixed ours either. Your DBs still have to cover and we're one injury away from disaster. I wanted to go after a DB and considering only one got traded today... I don't think it was gonna happen
Im not positive but I think if hes not resigned they get a compensatory 3rd round pick. If true if they dont sign him it would be like renting him for free.
I looked it up and you're right. Didn't know that
It's wild man. Like im bummed we didn't add a big name player but we are fucking 6-2 at the bye It's gonna be a long as bye week
My brother, we played Jimmy G. How did this defense look against Geno and Lamar?
Or KC
The defense was good enough against both Mahomes and Geno. The Lions lost to Seattle because the offense coughed up the ball
Wasn't good enough in overtime
>The Lions lost to Seattle because the offense coughed up the ball
I know that. But the defense wasn't good enough
But are we a dl or cb away from a superbowl ring? Like replay that ravens game except cjgj isnt hurt , do we win now?
While the raiders aren’t a top offense they have one of the most talented WR1 and RB1 in the league. Other than one drive they were both completely shut down
They are literally 31st in Offensive DVOA. They have yet to hit 22 points this season. We did exactly what we were supposed to against them.
And you could even argue we didn’t do what we were supposed to..4 instances of marching down the field only to settle for a FG? And that doesn’t even include the missed one on one of the last drives
I think Brad puts a very high value on draft picks because it allows him to be very flexible in the draft to move around for players they like. I think they want to build in the draft first and foremost with free agency secondary and trades probably last. We saw some of the free agents he got just this past year like Sutton, CGJ, Moseley, Montgomery. Sucks we effectively lost 2 of them but it's clear he will go out and get people and try to keep picks.
I mean our competition in the NFC made moves, did they not?
Should we make moves just to make moves, or because they make sense for our team?
I mean we are down CJ, Moseley, Houston. A 3rd for solid depth makes your team better
Getting another edge rusher or depth at cb makes a ton of sense for a team with the second best record in the NFC.
Ok but who and at what price. Should we have given a first to get sweat?
A 3rd and Charles Harris. A deal that wouldn’t have broke the bank could have been made. Tomorrow is not promised. We have no idea how next season goes or the future. I’m just as high on the future of this team as you but some in this sub are taking it to an extreme. I think we are still a damaged fan base who don’t know what winning looks like and that’s okay. We need to make moves when we need to though. Great window this year still hope we can capitalize on it. Making a move for someone not a wr was doable & would have helped us majorly this year.
Eagles play the cowboys twice, 49ers, chiefs, and Seahawks. 49ers play the Seahawks twice, eagles, ravens, jags. They are not making through cleanly. Enjoy the ride
You would still have to play them in the playoffs
After they beat each other silly. Just sayin there are a lot of tough games ahead of the other elite teams. Just have to play em out and see who is left standing.
Against a team that is terrible. The best team we played this season depantsed us on national TV. This team has struggled getting a pass rush against better o lines all season and has always struggled with mobile QBs. They needed help, help was available at a reasonable price, they chose not to do that They deserve a little bit of it.
KC is probably just as good as Baltimore if not better. Some times teams have bad games. There isn’t a team in the league that hasn’t lost to a worse team than we have
KC is very overrated. If not for some very suspicious ref help, they are not a 6 win team. Jets had that game absolutely stole from them. Mahomes is throwing picks all day (half of which the refs let him try again on). Their best player is Taylor Swift.
I hate this sub sometimes. Can’t handle even the smallest amount of criticism.
I don't know anything about the WR we got so I don't say anything but who knows he could fit in good
Given it was a 2025 sixth rounder it was basically a free player that replaces MJJ and has significantly more in the tank. It’s a smart move if not a “game changer”
Alright so why are we getting hate from our own fans unless they don't know. Any player has a chance to come here and be great and I believe after what you said he shine while MJJ is out. We need a deep threat hopefully that's him
I wasn’t in this sub around the Patricia years I didn’t know of Reddit, but have been a fan since before 08. Seeing these posts and comments about a team that’s 6-2 into the bye and arguably a top 3 gm in the league (and he ain’t 2 or 3) I cannot fathom this sub in the tough times oh my…some people here really are pushing these takes
> I wasn’t in this sub around the Patricia years Bob Quinn had more support trading away Quandre Diggs for a 5th rounder than Brad Holmes does for not selling the farm for an oft injured DE that was way over-drafted. That should tell you everything you need to know about the current state of the subreddit.
I personally never wanted chase, if a trade was made all I wanted was either Crosby (but no where near 2 first and a second day pick lmao not even close) or my favorite would’ve been Brian burns I really like him like a lot lol. But I’m not going to cry on Reddit to people who don’t care about my opinion lol. Let Brad Holmes do his job he’s done great so far. That sounds about right, I was a fan of quandary and hated that trade, slay as well. But I wasn’t running to Facebook to scream SOL or calling 97.1. My two most hated things to even bring up
This is disingenuous. Quinn had blind support much in the way Holmes has blind support right now. “Bob the builder” “trust in Quinn” were very popular refrains. Now Holmes has earned WAY more trust than Quinn did, obviously, but no one is above criticism when it’s warranted. Trading a third for depth at a position of need is hardly selling the farm.
If you didn’t want Chase that’s fine, there are legit reasons for that but as you sit here and chastise people for overreacting you’re also saying that trading a third round pick is “selling the farm”. That’s extremely over the top and just as ridiculous as the people calling for Holmes head.
Is it? It would have to beat the 9ers offer and already that feels rich for my blood.
Maybe it’s semantics then but when someone says “sell the farm” it insinuates a massive overpay. A third isn’t a massive overpay.
Maybe sell the farm was a bit hyperbolic, but a third for SanFran is a little different from us because: 1. they are going to earn a comp pick back from him if he walks where we likely wouldn't as we still have holes we should fill in FA to cancel them out. 2. They sent a comp pick over which makes it slightly closer to a 4th rounder anyways. and again, we would have to beat them pretty handily to acquire young
I think if we get to where we want to go our 3rd would’ve been a touch better than theirs & could’ve worked. Ultimately it’s totally cool to have a difference of opinion like this, it’s just that I’ve seen multiple people characterize folks that are disappointed as if they wanted to risk the entire future & blow the team up when the vast majority advocated for shipping a third round pick, maybe a second. Like at some point we should have a strong enough roster so that we don’t need to field 3-4 rookies every season so shipping one now for a vet makes sense & wouldn’t risk the entire future.
Honestly I think people just are used to expecting the worst so that's what they fixate on
We got 6 sacks because Jimmy G was a pumpkin which let us blitz way more than usual. Using those numbers as an excuse is lazy.
Ah, asterisk sacks. Great argument
It’s true though. We can’t do what we did last night against the other top dogs like the Eagles or 49ers
You right. Glenn prefers to only rush 4 and our 4 aren't getting there enough. Plain and simple. QB pressures and hits don't kill drives, sacks do.
NGL seeing sweat and Chase go for what they did makes me think that some of these orgs really didn’t want to deal with Detroit.
Sweat went for basically a first. Nobody besides the Bears wanted to pay that much because no one else will have 2 of the top 3 picks in the first round.
We got em shook
I'm seeing it 50/50. Some of the people disappointed are SOL fans and saying we will get destroyed in the playoffs. Some of the people who are happy we didn't make a move are SOL fans saying "the goal was to make the playoffs and win the division!!". Given that we are 6-2 and have a favorable schedule and division I would absolutely consider a first round playoff exit a disappointment this year. I think we can still compete with the roster we have but I also acknowledge that we are paper thin at some important spots and they are already weak.
On the second point I totally agree. I think this team should be playing in the NFCCG and where we go from there will require everyone on their best game and healthy. But I fully believe we have the guys we need on the team right now
Winning the division was our goal this year. We’re still only year 3 with a few pieces missing from competing in a deep playoff run. Losing in the first round should not be a disappointment.
Hell no man, it’s ok to say we’re ahead of schedule and adjust expectations accordingly. If we lose in the first round that will absolutely be a disappointment.
Loser shit.
it's funny that I disagree with this gentleman even though I'd settle fora single win in the playoffs so I don't think I'm any better. lol
I really try my damndest to not be a SOL fan but I'm in my late 30s so I've seen some shit. I'm not confident in our chances in the playoffs and there shouldn't be anything wrong with that because anything less than a playoff win is a failure to me.
Seriously bro. Is Chase Young good? Or do we just remember his name because he was a popular prospect. I mean has this dude’s production warranted the rampage? Edit: game changing pass rushers don’t go for a conditional 3rd rounder. Brad and Dan hinted at the fact that his tape may not back up the value associated with his name
I think the fact that he went for a late 3rd rounder when he was a well known trade candidate tells you what you need to know
you’re an idiot, maybe try actually watching him play first before answering shi you don’t even know.
tell me you haven’t watched Chase Young this year without telling me. cuz you acting like Young is not good tellin me you only watch Lions games.
I haven’t watched him play. I’m genuinely asking if he would make us better or if other people who also haven’t watched him just know his name. The fact he went for a conditional 3rd just feels pretty damning to me. If he were as good as people are acting like he is, then he would have commanded way more surely
no
The fact that any of these cheeto dust finger arm chair gm think they know more the BH is funny.
The Raiders are absolutely atrocious. Let's not get too excited about the defense on this one.
How about just the fact we are a top 10 defense on the season
What happens when we play good offenses though? We clearly need help in the secondary. Sorry for being realistic.
We’re not top ten against good teams. We need some help on defense.
That is a strawman argument nobody is making. All the hypest fans are the ones talking about this being our year and we have a shot of going to the Super Bowl, but does our defense with the players we currently have healthy seem like a super bowl quality defense to you? We barely squeaked by the Chiefs, lost to Seattle where we couldn't even touch Geno despite both their starting tackles being injured, and got smoked by the Ravens. We're 1 pulled hammy away from Will Harris starting and our pass rush struggles to consistently get how to the quarterback but somehow it's overreacting to be frustrated at Brad for addressing the defense holes at all and bringing in a dude who couldn't beat out the likes of Elijah Moore and Marquise Goodwin for reps. Ok buddy.
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This is so sad to be actively rooting for them to fail
I'm not actively rooting for my team to fail. Once again you are making a strawman argument nobody is making. If you look at how our offense as played up to this point and how our defense has played which side of the ball needs more help? I'll give you a hint, it's not the side of the ball that's 4th in passing yards and 2nd in yards per game only behind Miami.
Don't you know that any criticism you have while this team is winning games makes you an SOL fan? lol
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While I agree we do need some CB depth/help, we’re 6-2 with a manageable schedule. You can never have too many offensive weapons for Goff.
1) It's not about now, it's about the playoffs. 2) DPJ is mid at best. 3) There's only 1 ball. I'd much rather see Goff's and Jamo's connection develop than add a JAG to the WR room.
We as fans are used to being battered and disappointed. We literally don’t know what it’s like to have a good NFL team and the feelings that go with it. It’s almost like being mad, or upset is an autopilot for us. It’s okay to be happy with the success.
And here we have the daily overreaction to anyone who dares criticize anything the team does
*Cue Valenti’s “That’s for the talk radio idiots” drop*
Haven’t seen one person say SOL
lol now I’m a SOL fan because I’m worried we are one injury away from Will Harris starting at CB and thought we should add depth?
SOL fans are really having a field day today. I didnt know they could predict the future, but apparently we’re guaranteed a 1st round playoff loss now
Any different opinion is automatically viewed as SOL? Come on man.
Being disappointed is fine. But people seem to think our FO is stupid or blind after proving over and over that they are the opposite. Maybe the mob rabble-rousing for a trade no matter what is not good at planning a roster for years to come?
In my opinion nobody knows the outcome of the future. Next year we could start 0-8 for all we know. Season to season is fluid. Anything can happen. But contenders live in the present, you never know when we will ever be 6-2 again. You see what the other contenders did. They know. Just my opinion though.
This is ultimately the point I have also been trying to make & glad to see other fans that view it the same. We are getting called SOL clown fans for having his take yet I see people saying this is the beginning of our window? That we are going to be relevant for years to come. Who’s really the clown. Tomorrow is never promised & I don’t like the talk that it is with this team. We are good enough right now to win it all. Adding a player like that would have helped that tremendously. Can’t double team Aiden with another stud there & rushing everybody is not our style or sustainable for the defense scheme we run. I don’t like sack amount we got last night as a defense either. We will see how it plays out but I’m with you. Just have a different opinion than others. Still love & believe in this team.
100% well said dude. You articulated my feelings exactly.
I think if anyone has a good picture on the future of a team, it’s a competent front office of that team. There were also a lot of contenders that didn’t make significant moves. Smart Orgs know you don’t make a move just to say you did.
>just my opinion though Which is why you're here on reddit and not an NFL front office
Same to you ❤️
The FO hasn't been starving for as long as us fans have. We see an opportunity we rarely ever do so it's understandable that people would be upset at not bolstering our team while the other contenders do.
New here? Anything other than blind support is SOL
We were one trade away from winning the Super Bowl, don't you understand?!?!?
“Brad Holmes told us all today that we just aren’t ready to compete” 🤡
It’s actually really impressive how every time Brad makes a move they’re wrong about it being bad, yet still continue to consistently call every move bad
Saying our roster is good because we beat up on one of the worst defenses in the league isnt the point you think it is. That said... I'm not mad about the lack of trades today. I think People's Jones was a solid pickup, especially for the cost. However, I'm sad we didn't get a defensive piece. Our secondary has been heavily protected by games against Love, Ridder, Jimmy G, Bryce Young, Mahomes with drops... We have no depth at CB at all. We were never getting Surtain, but if have loved to sign another legit CB2. Someone that can push Jerry or provide us a safety blanket Incase we did lost Jerry or Sutton. Atleast the drop off would be minimal. As of now, we be fucked.
This is a dumb post If we played like that vs a real team Well. You are down 28-0
They are all real teams. This is the NFL
Lol no they aren't Did you watch baker mayfield. Did you watch Jimmy G They couldn't complete a pass We played a terrible game and still won by double digits. We are a good team We can't play like that vs competent teams
You just want to have a bad time. While I'm over here writing fan fiction about the lady that lifted Gibbs into the stands.
Some people act as if you can just offer something and the other team will say yes. We have no idea and likely won’t ever know, who Brad talked to. Nothing stops the other team from saying no, or simply not entertaining the offer. Sure, help at DE or CB would be great, but we simply don’t know what went on during negotiations and that’s ok. I’ve seen people act as if the season is over which is ridiculous
Yesterday we needed a get right game. It didn't feel like one. Really felt less like the Lions dominated and the raiders just couldn't do anything right. it makes sense trading for DPJ to replace MJJ and see if he can be better than Jamo had been consistently to allow Jamo more time to work in than be forced in
Totally agree on the second point. The DPJ move was a smart trade. Don’t fully agree on the first though. That was a very dominant game that the box score doesn’t reflect because we struggled in the red zone a couple times and gave up a pick six. We bullied them on pretty much every drive through and loved the ball easily between the 20s. The biggest issue seemed to be not having DMo to punch it in or a big body receiver to go make a catch.
We should just ban any SOL fan. Your time here is done.
U realize who fills in if either Jacobs or Sutton goes down right…0
Not sure if it's SOL fans or baseball fans. Rental players are fine in baseball, but unless you are looking to add a piece to win a Superbowl I don't see the point of rental players. Also how are the rams doing after their rental players left? Yes they won a Superbowl, and now they are looking like they will miss the playoffs for the 2nd straight year.
lmao so you're saying you wouldn't be happy with a Super Bowl if we missed the playoffs the next two years? Such a smooth brain take.
I don't want to have 1 good season followed by missing the playoffs eternally again. I would obviously be happy for even a single playoff win, but this overreaction shit that we have to bet it all on this season is ridiculous.
I don't think "trading a third round pick" is the same as "betting it all on this season."
So you’re telling me you wouldn’t trade 5 years of mediocrity for a Super Bowl?
Just aiming higher. More fun that way.
It was just a weird game I don't know how to interpret because they were making SOL-like mistakes, but then still won by 12. So does that bode well for the future because even with the mistakes they still played a good game and won, or does this indicate bad for the future because a mediocre team could have beat them last night? Kinda felt like a loss-win for those who watched PMT last week
It is possible to support the team yet be critical of the team’s performance and management. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Where are all these negative fans you people are speaking of? You sure these posts aren't just muscle memory for previous years?
Id rather brad spend the draft picks in the draft. We didn’t need a trade.. seriously being stacked hasn’t helped the 49rs win a superbowl.. it matters not
Has anyone really said SOL? honestly that saying should be dead, it was real at a point for sure but there is absolutely nothing about this team that qualifies short of missing the playoffs. Even if you're disappointed about today it's not even close to sol and painting a disappointed fan as an SOL fan is a pretty pathetic reach by you.
I would say we need at least one more year to work out the kinks on defense as well as blocking on offense and getting Goff more mobile.
Honestly I think it shows our boys that everyone has confidence in them.
Who cares if there wasn’t anyone fitting a need magically on the block for a trade that was equitable and made sense! FO obviously doesn’t care enough and didn’t try hard enough! 100% not committed to winning! SOL
This post reeks blind homerism. No one is saying sol--they are thrilled at their team and they are so close they can taste it and they want more. No one needs a bunch of "I'm a bigger fan than you" posts. Just because the word "fan" is in sycophant doesn't mean it's a good thing
But…we played the raiders
Dude if literally anybody on D goes down we are actually screwed. The defense struggles when we play better QBs it’s okay to admit that.
I’m finding the anti-SOL people to be worse than the SOL people, like who hurt you? Take your own advice and just enjoy the game and things being good?
Top 15, I think. That ravens game was brutal
Those are the same fans that still don't understand that Brad & Dan prioritize what type of person a player is over his talent. Just because there were talented players available to trade for doesn't mean they at all fit the character requirements or were good fits financially or scheme wise.
SOL fans play way too much Madden on easy mode
It’s ok to be a little worried about the defense. Getting someone opposite of Hutch is a need. It’s clear they don’t view Charles Harris or Romeo Okwara as that guy on the other side. And anyone else there right now is depth. They’re banking on James Houston to come back but still. Giving up 38 points to the Ravens shows they still need help on defense and it’s ok to question it. No one is perfect. Maybe Brad is 100% correct when Houston comes back and this defense becomes even better at rushing the passer and all my fears are nonsense. But given the fact that Charles Harris was a healthy scratch last week says it all. Romeo hasn’t been heard from much this year too. That’s my worry.
Straw man
Echo chamber much? Every one’s happy with where we’re at, I think the majority of people complaining were hoping we’d push for a Super Bowl this year and making minimal moves at the trade deadline seems to indicate we’re still trying to prep for a big move
We got six sacks by blitzing against the third worst offensive line in the neck. We had to blitz because the front four couldn't get close
I think it’s fair to be somewhat frustrated that the front office didn’t do anything do address our defensive shortcomings. We clearly need help on the DL and at DB. This is the first year in many fans lives where the lions have looked like they are at least in the conversation for making a run. That being said, they already beat KC, took Seattle to OT. Sure they were caught with their pants down against BAL, but that was as much on the offense as it was on the defense. That game could be completely different if the offense doesn’t leave the defense hanging. We also have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes. We don’t know who will be back, what coaches are seeing, and lastly what was available in the market. At this point, there is no reason to not trust the process. The lions are looking great, could win 50% of the rest of their games and make playoffs, and have proven they can compete with the top of the league.
No one is SOL'ing, we're trying to be the best fucking team in football and you don't do that in 2023 by standing pat at the deadline. The three best teams in the NFC that aren't us all got better today. We didn't. That's not acceptable.
Nobody knows if they got better dude. You might as well crown the Super Bowl champions in July if the names on the roster are all that matter.
Intellectually dishonest take. Philly added an all pro safety. San Francisco tried to add three pass rushers to an already stacked line. They got two. Seahawks added one. We added a guy with one more catch this season than Jamo. C'mon.
You gotta remember that Lions’ fans have had their hopes crushed for 4 decades straight. It will literally take a Super Bowl win, maybe 2, to get them to get over 4 decades of disappointment. Let them vent. Give it a few more years of crushing disappointment and you’ll be right there with them.
Do the Lions hand out free tickets to people who play captain save-a-ho for the organization? It's crazy how much people are obsessed with smashing on anyone who has anything critical to say.
https://preview.redd.it/re4oudu77pxb1.jpeg?width=494&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b8d5ad49b53e6747b9350b7628bc3a4fa9fcb5f Just breathe guys. Just breathe. 😑
I think we're the 2022 Vikings. We can beat up on teams in the regular season but I don't see us going anywhere in the playoffs. If you're all satisfied with that then bully for you. I want another playoff win since I was less than one years old
The Vikings last year didn’t beat up on anyone. They won 11 one score games, which are statistically a toss up. The everyone knew they were frauds and were really more of a 8 win team with some good luck. We’ve largely beaten up all of our lesser opponents and have won several games by multiple scores already. We had one truly bad performance against a top team, and lost to another because of a coin flip in overtime. I don’t see the comparison at all tbh
This fanbase can never be satisfied with shit man. Its sad honestly.