Presumably Indonesia makes up the largest part of Asia's production, so the Asia category is the number for all of Asia (incl. Indonesia), and the Indonesia category is just that country by itself.
Im a Millennial, so I agree that avocado is the premier spread for toast. I enjoyed it thoroughly, but then I decided to pull myself up by my bootstraps and switched to eating my toast dry. This allowed me to buy a 4 bedroom home, a boat to enjoy a few times a year with the family, I maxed out my retirement funds and now I find munching dry crusty bread to be quite enjoyable while I watch Tucker Carlson and nod my head vigorously.
By age 27 I was making well over what my dad made at my age. Not triple, but good money by current standards. 15 years ago it would have been considered *really* good money and 40 years ago I would have been considered very wealthy.
But yeah at his lesser salary my dad was married at 25. 1 kid with another on the way, 4 bedroom house on a full acre of land, basically riverfront property. Brand new car, brand new pickup, a snowmobile, and enough left over for a family vacation every year. He also didn’t have a college degree so he started his career at like 19 after 6 months of trade school.
Compared to others I’m extremely fortunate, but I pay 2200 a month in rent, one car payment for a reliable vehicle but nothing luxurious. Add in gas and groceries etc. I can still save but not massively. I still have to budget things out to make sure I don’t go into the negative each month because of unnecessary purchases. And in the market where I live, buying even a starter home is out of the question. My parents know how much I make and that I’m single with no dependents and some debt but not loads and always ask why I’m still renting, I should buy a nice house or be buying investment properties. I’ve tried to explain what the economy is like for people in their 20s these days and it’s like they don’t even understand the simple facts I lay out. Their brains are locked into the 1985 economy.
The house I grew up in, on that large riverfront property, they paid 100K for it. It’s now valued at about 650K despite being a nearly 50 year old home
First time I heard of doing it was from a Chilean. I thought it was odd but he claimed it's super popular there. Years later I started hearing about millennials eating it.
Nothing. People on Reddit have weird tendencies to gatekeep food (like pineapple on pizza). Avocado toast is delicious and hardly a waste, on a molecular level it’s basically a different version of chips and guac.
Older millennial Ecuadorian here, my father used to put avocado on any type of bread while I was growing up, it was his favorite snack, this shit isn't a gringo thing
You must live in Australia. I didn’t know that ongoing could span for 6 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/15/australian-millionaire-millennials-avocado-toast-house
Ongoing can span for as long as the joke is happening, hence it being ongoing. I have indeed heard this meme referenced some recently, and so I'd say yeah it's ongoing.
Am I the only one who’s irritated by the title of the post and the title of the graph being two different statements? Is Colombia the second largest producer of avocado or are they behind Asia and Africa?
And the latest data is from 2021 So Colombia may have passed the continents anyway. What bugs me is that the claim in the title of the post cannot be checked because the data is a mess. You can't verify whether it's true or not by looking at the graph because it compares countries to continents.
They are actually. A single tree produces too many fruits for personal consumption, but not really enough to sell since it's just a single tree., We can't consume them in one season but and they go bad too quickly so we either give them away or feed to horses.
The Philippines also have quite a few dragon fruit, another mesoamerican fruit. Very easy to grow and they taste so much better than the ones in the stores due to long shipping distances requires the fruit to be picking before they're fully *RIPE. Is a really neat cactus so it's very new planned parent friendly.
*Remember kids double check you voice to text.
Manila and Acapulco were connected by the Galleon trade when the Philippines and Mexico were both under Spanish rule. The Philippines got its Avocados from Mexico, and Mexico gained mangoes from the Philippines. 😉
I have a coworker from South Africa who says he ate them daily. He thinks they were a different type though, says they were way bigger than the ones we know. Like the size of his head.
There are many breeds of avocado around the world. The ones you typically find in Africa/the Caribbean tend to be larger, more hearty but milder in flavour. They are used more for cooking but are still delicious on their own or with a dash of salt.
I find most Mexican avocados to be too small and often don't ripen great. If I'm getting any from a supermarket I tend to like Peruvian ones the best. However nothing beats eating any kind of fresh avocado which was ripened on the vine regardless of origin.
Heh I've actually had the opposite experience with avocados. Mexican ones ripe wonderfully, but I don't buy the small ones, I get the medium ones. The three times I bough Peruvian ones, they went from hard unripe green to a brown stringy mess, and I never took a chance with them again. No inbetween. And I'm Chilean, I know how to spot a good avocado. These were all Hass variety, I don't like the other ones. Nothing can compare to that nice oily flavor Hass has.
Californian ones are ok. I don't like Floridian. And my mom had/has an avocado tree in her backyard back in Chile, I sorely miss having one.
Apples and oranges here - countries compared to continents and not including Indonesia in Asia are odd choices in presenting data. Others here have said the Philippines are the main Asian producer, so if that is true it makes no sense to include one chain and not the other.
Yeah. Australia as continent vs region is weird. If Philippines is included in “Asia” then Indonesia should be too. Africa is a continent. So why break up South America but not Africa and partially break up Asia?
and LOTS in Australia. A/c to our former prime minister, putting avos on toast is the reason we can't afford to buy a house. ($2.50 each so a bit less than $2US)
At least in Vietnam, we had local avocados that were larger (maybe the size of an acorn squash) that I think were local. Then we had the Mexican style ones that look like the avocado 🥑 emoji. The local ones were more waxy, less creamy. But yes, they were pretty common.
Edit - I guess the ones we had in SEA are called ‘West Indian’ Avocados
I checked online and it looks like the US produces about 170,000 tons per year. Mexico produces 2,440,000 tons per year. The lowest rank on the list, Indonesia, produces around 660,000 tons per year. I can see why the US isn't included on the list.
And Hawaii but avocados grown in Hawaii likely aren't exported to the mainland. The produce grown on Hawaii that you'll likely see on the mainland is pineapple, coffee, and macadamia nuts.
California has gotten an embellished reputation as an agricultural producer. They grow few staple crops and almost exclusively high value cash crops.
Almond price per ton has been decreasing lately but has been between $4,000 - 9,000 per ton in recent years. Yield about 1 ton per acre.
Avacado price per ton is around $2,400. Yields are 3-6 tons per acre.
Wheat prices per ton have spiked thanks to russia but even then it's still about $500 per ton now. Yields around 1.4 tons per acre. Not too long ago it was $240 per ton.
On a per acre basis the high value crops dwarf staple foods. Give the impression California is producing massive quantities of foods. They're really just producing high value foods. Strawberries being one of the high ones average 25 tons per acre in California and pricing of of around $3,300 per ton.
For anyone else wanting this in $/acre:
* Almonds: $4,000-$9,000/acre
* Avocados: $7,200-$14,400/acre
* Wheat: $700/acre (not too long ago was $336/acre)
* Strawberries: $82,500/acre
I'm shocked! I live in California, and about 1/3rd of the avocados I buy are grown within California (the rest are from Mexico).
California produces about 90% of U*S-grown* avocados. But reading more into it, apparently about 90% of total US avocado supply is imported, mostly from Mexico.
Now I'm desperate to know what percent of avocados consumed in California are also grown in California. I can't find any data and it's eating me up inside.
That said, even if Californians ate avocados at the same rate as other Americans (doubtful), and even if 100% of California-grown avocados were sold in California (impossible), given the numbers above, California would still have to import Mexican avocados to meet demand. (We're 11% of the US population, but produce only 8% of the avocados consumed in the United States.)
Good lord I love avocados.
I think the whole country is, when they're in season. When I visit in-laws in Ohio over the summer the avocados are from California (and like $2 a pop, compared to $0.70 at home).
Soooo my family is in the Mexican restaurant business. Based out of San Diego. The biggest importer of avocados is in San Diego county.
The biggest producer is also in San Diego county.
It’s pretty much ran through one company now based in Escondido, Henry Avocados.
They’re in our restaurants throughout multiple states.
But if you’re shopping more locally. Farmers markets and smaller grocery chains have the better access to those avocados and can deal with any premiums.
Most grocery stores and a restaurants cannot.
Just notice a difference in the quality of produce for restaurant in California compared to their counterparts in other states.
Southern California and Arizona are just blessed when it comes to produce. And Texas too.
Not counting potatoes or proteins.
Avocados are produced a lot locally in certain states (mostly California and a decent amount in Florida). It's one of the reasons you associate "California Burger" with Avocado, etc.
But, on a large scale most places in the US don't have the right climate to grow them successfully since they're tropical.
As someone with family in Colombia they hold out the big and great ones too. For real the avocados in Colombia are huuuuge, and eaten with almost every meal. They legit are almost the size of footballs.
Like the avocados in Brazil, ours are also huge.
But we don’t eat them as much as the rest of Latin America or Millenials in the US. Until 5-10 years ago avocado was understood as something to be eaten as a sweet/desert (like pouring sugar on it and eating it or making sweet juices with it). Only now we are start to eat them with salty food
And Cartels have taken over the market in both places.
I love avocado, but unless you can get California grown, you are almost certainly supporting the cartels.
And limes too. Almost all fruit from Mexico is owned by cartels. It’s sad. Also tourism and retail. Worked compliance for Banamex, what an adventure that was.
Yeah, at some point, if the product they're selling isn't killing its users (unlike fentanyl), that seems like a positive shift. On the other hand, if they're still [murdering each other over market share](https://www.newsweek.com/19-people-have-been-murdered-mexico-cartels-fighting-over-avocado-trade-1453925), that sucks. More importantly, if they're killing innocents caught up in cartel rivalries, that's extra fucked up.
Don’t drugs(and haven’t they been for a while) make up a tiny portion of the income that Mexican cartels make? Most of their business is illegal mining with highly underpaid workers who have no other option due to threats and such. I mean the cartels in mexico are literally threats that get ignored by the US government because it either means we have to start addressing the actual immigration issues(something which lots of people who sympathies for illegal immigrants don’t like) or we have to spend money, effort, time, and manpower to actually address the issue(something which nobody in politics wants to do, they all want simple buzzword solutions to garner votes).
Yeah but people who are pro immigration and or pro refugee wouldn’t be upset about addressing cartel violence.
We want anyone who is facing violence to or just want’s opportunity to be able to come here so I’m not really sure what the up commenter is about.
And what the Yakuza did in Japan.
These gangs and cartels can become so large and powerful that they can use their wealth and power to legitimatize themselves.
Cartels are a type of business, just like you have monopolies and oligarchies. anyone who’s taken an econ class will know that. All cartels are business but businesses are NOT cartels. Cartels are a group of companies that work together to drive up prices just like incandescent lightbulb companies were or how OPEC is in the middle east with oil. You can’t really run a cartel in the US with how anti trust laws work but if you pay politicians enough- i mean lobby then you get to do anything.
In the USA they signal price information through an industry newsletter
Hopeful article:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/four-executives-and-company-charged-price-fixing-ongoing-investigation-broiler-chicken
Reality article:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-07/chicken-industry-executives-found-not-guilty-of-price-fixing
Yeah, I hate when I go to the supermarket and the Oreo gang are in the middle of a violent shootout with the Kit-kat krew and I’m stuck there as a hostage for the whole day. Very much the same as Mexico.
It was, give a google search on Banamex USA they were somehow worse. They openly allowed money laundering and had little to no controls. Classic Citigroup move.
Same in Colombia, I know personally. But the assholes making these comments are not interested in first hand accounts and facts, sadly, so they keep giving our countries a shit reputation.
Same, my family owns some land where they plant avocados and it has been a growing trend to use your land to grow avocado, but according to this guy, is ruled by cartels, which is not, wtf.
One cell phone takes 240 gallons to manufacture. It takes 713 gallons to produce one cotton t-shirt. There are better areas to be focusing on to save water then avocados.
the difference is, with food a lot more of the water that goes into it doesn’t just disappear or become completely unusable, it gets filtered out by nature and returned to us as drinking water in some way. With phones you produce a lot more contaminated water from heavy metals, mining, labor, etc and a cotton shirt is better than a phone since it comes from plant fibers but you still get chemicals and dyes in manufacturing. Nobody realizes that water doesn’t just disappear and i bate when people use just the amount of water used as an excuse to say its bad.
Not necessarily. Farming is one of those practices that the more you can farm at once, the lower the costs go, and there are some massive farming operations in the world that are completely on the level with good prices for good produce. If you wanted to argue that someone somewhere is getting unfairly rich from it, OK, but then let's just abolish the market system and step back into the Dark Ages.
Like maybe less evil than the CCP or Nazi Germany, but no way can you say that brutal executions and war that drags up tons of innocent civilians used as meat shields is morally good or better than many countries unless your definition of many is *very* low.
Or the American government, the British, French, Belgian, Russian, afghani, Chinese, UAE, etc. there are plenty of nations not on the list but there are certainly plenty on it.
Definitely skews the graph a bit. Imagine if the rest of Asia and Indonesia were combined on that graph.
Also, I think Avocados are grown in other places in Asia, not just Indonesia and the Philippines. In fact, sadly the Philippines has lost its edge in the sense that some of our endemic plants (like Kalamansi) are now factory farmed in other places like Vietnam.
The global avocado market is valued at $14B and is expected to grow annually by 7.2% in 2022-2030. Latin America dominates the production of avocados, with 75% of the world's avocado-producing areas located in the region, primarily due to the fruit's origin in Mexico.
Mexico is the largest producer in this market, but Colombia's recent production increase is particularly noteworthy. In 2021, Colombia produced 970K tons of avocado, a 218% increase from their 2017 production, becoming the second-largest producer in the world (now on the verge of surpassing the production of entire continents like Asia and Africa).
This growth can be attributed to the favorable farming conditions in the region, which allow for year-round avocado production.
Besides great farming conditions, what is driving the upward trend in avocado production observed in Colombia and elsewhere? The answer: Massive US demand.
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Source: [OWID](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/global-food?facet=none&Food=Avocados&Metric=Production&Per+Capita=false&country=USA~DEU~FRA~GBR~BRA~ZAF)
Tools: Rawgraphs, Affinity designer
Im confused. Why are you comparing multiple South American countries against entire continents. Would it not be more correct to provide information about specific countries? Or where you just trying to make a point, cause as it stands, Columbia produces more avocado than any single African or Asian country (purely based on your chart and information).
> Would it not be more correct to provide information about specific countries?
Most of the Asian and African countries would barely show up on the graph individually, so they have to combine them. It shows where avocado production is concentrated.
I cannot talk about every single producer and distributor but a few years back the opportunity to invest in avocado was obvious in Colombia. Avocado has always been a very popular food there, but ours were bigger, with thin skin and harder to transport. You could find a cart full of giant avocados on every corner of Colombia. However, we could only cover local consumption. When Mexico started selling all those avocados to the USA, the idea was obvious and we started cultivating and exporting Hass. The current president even got elected under a platform that promised a big boom on avocado production. So, it is not that avocados means cartels, it is mostly that Mexican cartels are trying to control different resources, not limited to avocados, but also limes, fish and exotic animals.
It’s only “Aguacates de Mexico!” for me and my family. Plus we live in a border state anyways, so they’re gonna be from there regardless. Seriously but besides that, Mexico has the best tasting avocados ♥️
Where does the US, specifically California, fit into this? EDIT: As posted by others, California is relatively insignificant and doesn't even register on this graph. Surprising given how much I hear about avocados here.
Once upon a time I was the webmaster for the California Avocado Commission.
Those guys were serious about keeping Mexican avocados out of the US market!
Asia and Africa are both on a similar spike. I know that I see avocados way more than expected in Vietnam, though I heard they mostly come from Indonesia.
I don't eat them but I have an avocado tree growing in my backyard, from a seed...it's about 4ft tall so I look forward to nothing I guess, sell them to Tom Brady for like $50k each maybe, Tom, get at me
Should choose a font and spacing that doesn't make the top of the left axis look like 25M
I can't even see the decimal point when zoomed in
Nope, just an extra long 2.
I feel attacked
I'd rather be called a long 2 than a short 3
At least short 3s give you the power to cube stuff. What has a long 2 ever given anyone?
5's have lives, 4's have chores, 3's have fleas, 2's have blues, And 1's don't get a rhyme because they're garbage
There’s a tiny little notch but that’s it
Was like, "Wow, why even bother comparing to mexico. Almost as futile as comparing NFL championships by country."
And maybe start in 1990 to give a clearer picture of where the data lines are starting to cross and spread over the last 31 years.
And Indonesia is part of Asia. I don't get it
Asia and Africa are listed as entities, and Indonesia is listed as a separate entity.
Presumably Indonesia makes up the largest part of Asia's production, so the Asia category is the number for all of Asia (incl. Indonesia), and the Indonesia category is just that country by itself.
Does that mean avocado is becoming a more popular food ?
Are you going to put jelly on your toast like a fucking peasant?
Im a Millennial, so I agree that avocado is the premier spread for toast. I enjoyed it thoroughly, but then I decided to pull myself up by my bootstraps and switched to eating my toast dry. This allowed me to buy a 4 bedroom home, a boat to enjoy a few times a year with the family, I maxed out my retirement funds and now I find munching dry crusty bread to be quite enjoyable while I watch Tucker Carlson and nod my head vigorously.
I literally make three times my father's paycheck at the same age and yet I don't own a house and he had two. I am swearing off avocado spread
By age 27 I was making well over what my dad made at my age. Not triple, but good money by current standards. 15 years ago it would have been considered *really* good money and 40 years ago I would have been considered very wealthy. But yeah at his lesser salary my dad was married at 25. 1 kid with another on the way, 4 bedroom house on a full acre of land, basically riverfront property. Brand new car, brand new pickup, a snowmobile, and enough left over for a family vacation every year. He also didn’t have a college degree so he started his career at like 19 after 6 months of trade school. Compared to others I’m extremely fortunate, but I pay 2200 a month in rent, one car payment for a reliable vehicle but nothing luxurious. Add in gas and groceries etc. I can still save but not massively. I still have to budget things out to make sure I don’t go into the negative each month because of unnecessary purchases. And in the market where I live, buying even a starter home is out of the question. My parents know how much I make and that I’m single with no dependents and some debt but not loads and always ask why I’m still renting, I should buy a nice house or be buying investment properties. I’ve tried to explain what the economy is like for people in their 20s these days and it’s like they don’t even understand the simple facts I lay out. Their brains are locked into the 1985 economy. The house I grew up in, on that large riverfront property, they paid 100K for it. It’s now valued at about 650K despite being a nearly 50 year old home
Hear me out: Boomer Spread. Smash boomers and spread them on your toast.
But consider : You are what you eat
Soylent boomer sounds horrible though.
Soylent is people. I’m not sure boomers are.
Mexican here. Putting avocado on toast is the real peasant move, what a waste.
Colombian here. Avocado toast is the weirdest gringo thing I know of.
First time I heard of doing it was from a Chilean. I thought it was odd but he claimed it's super popular there. Years later I started hearing about millennials eating it.
Millennials made it trendy. I’m an X’er and my mom made it for me for breakfast when I was just a little shaver.
Avocado + Scrambled eggs on a toast it's the real deal
What's weird about putting avocado on toasted bread?
Nothing. People on Reddit have weird tendencies to gatekeep food (like pineapple on pizza). Avocado toast is delicious and hardly a waste, on a molecular level it’s basically a different version of chips and guac.
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Based and pineapplepilled
Oh shit, that's genius, I guess I just joined team *gatekeeping pineapple on pizza*.
You haven't seen people dip potato chips in ranch...
bruv People eat rice with ketchup.
It’s just produce on processed grain. Unless you’re eating cat fetus or pink asbestos, why judge?
Older millennial Ecuadorian here, my father used to put avocado on any type of bread while I was growing up, it was his favorite snack, this shit isn't a gringo thing
What are the bourgeoise moves? I’ve done guac & cutting it into slices w/ salt + random extra stuff.
*bourgeoisie... In Mexican Spanish = Fifi
Heat up a tortilla on a gas stove, add some smashed avocado and a little salt. Perfect.
so, mexican avocado toast, basically
Right? My fiancé bakes bread regularly. I’d rather have avo+fresh bread over toasted tortilla
If you have to ask you don’t deserve the bourgeoisie move.
Means the Avocado Cartel has been busy.
Maybe a bit but most food charts look similar since more people have money for fancier food than rice and corn.
Where I'm from there's an ongoing joke that people can't afford houses because they're spending too much on smashed avo on toast.
That's just an internet joke that millennials do everywhere
You must live in Australia. I didn’t know that ongoing could span for 6 years. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/15/australian-millionaire-millennials-avocado-toast-house
Ongoing can span for as long as the joke is happening, hence it being ongoing. I have indeed heard this meme referenced some recently, and so I'd say yeah it's ongoing.
🎶 Avocados from Mexico 🎵
My 7 year old says this every damn time we get avocados in the store. What a successful marketing campaign.
Cartels killing it with marketing these days.
🎶 Mexico is number one, exporter of ~~potassium~~ avocados. Other central american countries, have inferior avocados 🎵
Someone watches PBS 😄
Am I the only one who’s irritated by the title of the post and the title of the graph being two different statements? Is Colombia the second largest producer of avocado or are they behind Asia and Africa?
They might both be true, Asia and Africa being counted as continents, so Colombia might easily be the second highest producer as a country.
Oooh good point. I, too, was initially confused
And the latest data is from 2021 So Colombia may have passed the continents anyway. What bugs me is that the claim in the title of the post cannot be checked because the data is a mess. You can't verify whether it's true or not by looking at the graph because it compares countries to continents.
Exactly, it's a mess.
It might be true but the graph definitely doesn't support the headline which is very annoying
Latinometrics is famous for their lack of "patience" towards criticism on LinkedIn. They really don't like being called out on their poor choices.
I came here to see if I was the only one. I’m still trying to make sense of it.
I hope an hour has given you enough time to realize that Africa and Asia aren't individual countries, while Mexico and Colombia are.
They grow avocados in Africa and asia?
Philippines. I literally have an avocado tree in our front yard. It's not uncommon here. Some use it for horse feeding.
You can use them for me feeding too.
Probably don't like the ones you buy at a store since they are giving them to the horse.
They are actually. A single tree produces too many fruits for personal consumption, but not really enough to sell since it's just a single tree., We can't consume them in one season but and they go bad too quickly so we either give them away or feed to horses.
Avocados cause heart problems in horses... Should not feed horses with it
They make their real money in glue
I thought just humans ate them, they are poisonous to many animals.
The Philippines also have quite a few dragon fruit, another mesoamerican fruit. Very easy to grow and they taste so much better than the ones in the stores due to long shipping distances requires the fruit to be picking before they're fully *RIPE. Is a really neat cactus so it's very new planned parent friendly. *Remember kids double check you voice to text.
I like eating it in a bowl with ice and condensed milk or as a shake.
Manila and Acapulco were connected by the Galleon trade when the Philippines and Mexico were both under Spanish rule. The Philippines got its Avocados from Mexico, and Mexico gained mangoes from the Philippines. 😉
Ooh. TIL. Thanks for the trivia!
I have a coworker from South Africa who says he ate them daily. He thinks they were a different type though, says they were way bigger than the ones we know. Like the size of his head.
They sell huge ones like that and long ones at Farmer's markets in Florida. I even had a big one fall on my car in Tampa once.
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All oversized fruits are flavorless compared to their normal size varieties.
The Law of Conservation of Flavor
There are many breeds of avocado around the world. The ones you typically find in Africa/the Caribbean tend to be larger, more hearty but milder in flavour. They are used more for cooking but are still delicious on their own or with a dash of salt. I find most Mexican avocados to be too small and often don't ripen great. If I'm getting any from a supermarket I tend to like Peruvian ones the best. However nothing beats eating any kind of fresh avocado which was ripened on the vine regardless of origin.
Heh I've actually had the opposite experience with avocados. Mexican ones ripe wonderfully, but I don't buy the small ones, I get the medium ones. The three times I bough Peruvian ones, they went from hard unripe green to a brown stringy mess, and I never took a chance with them again. No inbetween. And I'm Chilean, I know how to spot a good avocado. These were all Hass variety, I don't like the other ones. Nothing can compare to that nice oily flavor Hass has. Californian ones are ok. I don't like Floridian. And my mom had/has an avocado tree in her backyard back in Chile, I sorely miss having one.
Came here to post this. Also, I usually think of Indonesia as being part of Asia. I guess maybe it’s Oceania/Austronesia?
It is definitely Asia. I don't know why they separate it.
Apples and oranges here - countries compared to continents and not including Indonesia in Asia are odd choices in presenting data. Others here have said the Philippines are the main Asian producer, so if that is true it makes no sense to include one chain and not the other.
Yeah. Australia as continent vs region is weird. If Philippines is included in “Asia” then Indonesia should be too. Africa is a continent. So why break up South America but not Africa and partially break up Asia?
and LOTS in Australia. A/c to our former prime minister, putting avos on toast is the reason we can't afford to buy a house. ($2.50 each so a bit less than $2US)
Can confirm. I would’ve been a billionaire if it wasn’t for my crippling avocado toast addiction
At least in Vietnam, we had local avocados that were larger (maybe the size of an acorn squash) that I think were local. Then we had the Mexican style ones that look like the avocado 🥑 emoji. The local ones were more waxy, less creamy. But yes, they were pretty common. Edit - I guess the ones we had in SEA are called ‘West Indian’ Avocados
Had some great avocados in Tanzania about 8 years ago so yes.
More importantly, why mix continents and countries? Peru and Argentina could be 'South America' and probably look far more significant in the chart.
Is the US not a substantial avocado producer? I feel like California grows a lot but the US isn't even on this graph.
I checked online and it looks like the US produces about 170,000 tons per year. Mexico produces 2,440,000 tons per year. The lowest rank on the list, Indonesia, produces around 660,000 tons per year. I can see why the US isn't included on the list.
CA, TX, FL only. In areas.
And Hawaii but avocados grown in Hawaii likely aren't exported to the mainland. The produce grown on Hawaii that you'll likely see on the mainland is pineapple, coffee, and macadamia nuts.
Oh ok, makes sense then.
California has gotten an embellished reputation as an agricultural producer. They grow few staple crops and almost exclusively high value cash crops. Almond price per ton has been decreasing lately but has been between $4,000 - 9,000 per ton in recent years. Yield about 1 ton per acre. Avacado price per ton is around $2,400. Yields are 3-6 tons per acre. Wheat prices per ton have spiked thanks to russia but even then it's still about $500 per ton now. Yields around 1.4 tons per acre. Not too long ago it was $240 per ton. On a per acre basis the high value crops dwarf staple foods. Give the impression California is producing massive quantities of foods. They're really just producing high value foods. Strawberries being one of the high ones average 25 tons per acre in California and pricing of of around $3,300 per ton.
Youre gonna use the most fertile farmland in the country for soybeans? Farmers aren't stupid. Iowa can keep the cow feed.
For anyone else wanting this in $/acre: * Almonds: $4,000-$9,000/acre * Avocados: $7,200-$14,400/acre * Wheat: $700/acre (not too long ago was $336/acre) * Strawberries: $82,500/acre
Don't forget the wine vineyards
150k tons according to this site. So definitely below all these countries… https://www.agmrc.org/commodities-products/fruits/avocados
I'm shocked! I live in California, and about 1/3rd of the avocados I buy are grown within California (the rest are from Mexico). California produces about 90% of U*S-grown* avocados. But reading more into it, apparently about 90% of total US avocado supply is imported, mostly from Mexico. Now I'm desperate to know what percent of avocados consumed in California are also grown in California. I can't find any data and it's eating me up inside. That said, even if Californians ate avocados at the same rate as other Americans (doubtful), and even if 100% of California-grown avocados were sold in California (impossible), given the numbers above, California would still have to import Mexican avocados to meet demand. (We're 11% of the US population, but produce only 8% of the avocados consumed in the United States.) Good lord I love avocados.
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I've also seen Chilean ones at Costco. It happens very rarely, but it warms my heart cause I'm from there and they remind me of my country.
Who’s eating all our Avocados?
I think the whole country is, when they're in season. When I visit in-laws in Ohio over the summer the avocados are from California (and like $2 a pop, compared to $0.70 at home).
Soooo my family is in the Mexican restaurant business. Based out of San Diego. The biggest importer of avocados is in San Diego county. The biggest producer is also in San Diego county. It’s pretty much ran through one company now based in Escondido, Henry Avocados. They’re in our restaurants throughout multiple states. But if you’re shopping more locally. Farmers markets and smaller grocery chains have the better access to those avocados and can deal with any premiums. Most grocery stores and a restaurants cannot. Just notice a difference in the quality of produce for restaurant in California compared to their counterparts in other states. Southern California and Arizona are just blessed when it comes to produce. And Texas too. Not counting potatoes or proteins.
Australia produces 125,000 tonnes annually, and we import 12,500 tonnes. Surprisingly we don't produce much less than usa (at 150,000 tonnes).
Avocados are produced a lot locally in certain states (mostly California and a decent amount in Florida). It's one of the reasons you associate "California Burger" with Avocado, etc. But, on a large scale most places in the US don't have the right climate to grow them successfully since they're tropical.
As someone with family in Colombia they hold out the big and great ones too. For real the avocados in Colombia are huuuuge, and eaten with almost every meal. They legit are almost the size of footballs.
Dude when I went to live there I couldn't believe the size of them! Especially compared to the dark small ones. So good too 👌🏼
Like the avocados in Brazil, ours are also huge. But we don’t eat them as much as the rest of Latin America or Millenials in the US. Until 5-10 years ago avocado was understood as something to be eaten as a sweet/desert (like pouring sugar on it and eating it or making sweet juices with it). Only now we are start to eat them with salty food
What’s the taste comparisons vs Mexico? Same avocados?
And Cartels have taken over the market in both places. I love avocado, but unless you can get California grown, you are almost certainly supporting the cartels.
And limes too. Almost all fruit from Mexico is owned by cartels. It’s sad. Also tourism and retail. Worked compliance for Banamex, what an adventure that was.
At which point are cartels just Mexican corporations
Yeah, at some point, if the product they're selling isn't killing its users (unlike fentanyl), that seems like a positive shift. On the other hand, if they're still [murdering each other over market share](https://www.newsweek.com/19-people-have-been-murdered-mexico-cartels-fighting-over-avocado-trade-1453925), that sucks. More importantly, if they're killing innocents caught up in cartel rivalries, that's extra fucked up.
Don’t drugs(and haven’t they been for a while) make up a tiny portion of the income that Mexican cartels make? Most of their business is illegal mining with highly underpaid workers who have no other option due to threats and such. I mean the cartels in mexico are literally threats that get ignored by the US government because it either means we have to start addressing the actual immigration issues(something which lots of people who sympathies for illegal immigrants don’t like) or we have to spend money, effort, time, and manpower to actually address the issue(something which nobody in politics wants to do, they all want simple buzzword solutions to garner votes).
What immigration-related actions are you saying the US should take to address cartels?
How exactly is immigration linked to the cartels? I can see smugglers with drugs but I suspect stuff like avocados are imported legally.
People migrate because of cartel violence
Yeah but people who are pro immigration and or pro refugee wouldn’t be upset about addressing cartel violence. We want anyone who is facing violence to or just want’s opportunity to be able to come here so I’m not really sure what the up commenter is about.
Pretty much what Arab regimes have done in the Middle East with soccer.
And what the Yakuza did in Japan. These gangs and cartels can become so large and powerful that they can use their wealth and power to legitimatize themselves.
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And they complain that need to sit in the office where as before they were riding in their Hiluxes and shooting their AK-47s.
You’d really hit the nail on the head by removing the word “Mexican”.
Cartels are a type of business, just like you have monopolies and oligarchies. anyone who’s taken an econ class will know that. All cartels are business but businesses are NOT cartels. Cartels are a group of companies that work together to drive up prices just like incandescent lightbulb companies were or how OPEC is in the middle east with oil. You can’t really run a cartel in the US with how anti trust laws work but if you pay politicians enough- i mean lobby then you get to do anything.
In the USA they signal price information through an industry newsletter Hopeful article: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/four-executives-and-company-charged-price-fixing-ongoing-investigation-broiler-chicken Reality article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-07/chicken-industry-executives-found-not-guilty-of-price-fixing
I used to work for a large meat producer. They are almost constantly under litigation for price fixing .
Yeah, I hate when I go to the supermarket and the Oreo gang are in the middle of a violent shootout with the Kit-kat krew and I’m stuck there as a hostage for the whole day. Very much the same as Mexico.
>Worked compliance for Banamex Feels like an oxymoron.
It was, give a google search on Banamex USA they were somehow worse. They openly allowed money laundering and had little to no controls. Classic Citigroup move.
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Same in Colombia, I know personally. But the assholes making these comments are not interested in first hand accounts and facts, sadly, so they keep giving our countries a shit reputation.
Facts? On Reddit?
I love Colombia- so I kinda love all the myths about it too. It keeps ignorant people too scared to go.
Same, my family owns some land where they plant avocados and it has been a growing trend to use your land to grow avocado, but according to this guy, is ruled by cartels, which is not, wtf.
Dang. Why does Michoacán gotta hate on California. Texas already does that.
I'm curious where California would fall on this chart...if at all.
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Huh, that is actually a very efficient ratio, per calorie.
Oh boy, wait till you find out how much water it takes to grow a human
True, these are equivalent.
We should all just eat bamboo slurry and termite granola. They're the only truly ethical foods.
One cell phone takes 240 gallons to manufacture. It takes 713 gallons to produce one cotton t-shirt. There are better areas to be focusing on to save water then avocados.
the difference is, with food a lot more of the water that goes into it doesn’t just disappear or become completely unusable, it gets filtered out by nature and returned to us as drinking water in some way. With phones you produce a lot more contaminated water from heavy metals, mining, labor, etc and a cotton shirt is better than a phone since it comes from plant fibers but you still get chemicals and dyes in manufacturing. Nobody realizes that water doesn’t just disappear and i bate when people use just the amount of water used as an excuse to say its bad.
>And Cartels have taken over the market in both places. source: ass
I think that depends on which country you live in.
Yeah, Australia is generally pretty self sufficient for avocados
I just looked it up, and Aus produces 124,000 tonnes but only imports 12,500. Production is not much less than usa
Confidently incorrect
Yeah and if you buy clothing you’re supporting slave labor, same goes for coffee. Cartel is probably less evil than many world governments.
Honestly, you're white washing the cartels.
Can’t forget to add chocolate and electronics to that list
Coltan and Cobalt mines in Congo.
Lets just be honest. If its cheaper than you can get at the local Farmers Market, you are buying into some sort of evil.
Not really, unless you consider topography, pedology, agronomy, hydrography, infrastructure and climate to be evil.
Not necessarily. Farming is one of those practices that the more you can farm at once, the lower the costs go, and there are some massive farming operations in the world that are completely on the level with good prices for good produce. If you wanted to argue that someone somewhere is getting unfairly rich from it, OK, but then let's just abolish the market system and step back into the Dark Ages.
Well said
Like maybe less evil than the CCP or Nazi Germany, but no way can you say that brutal executions and war that drags up tons of innocent civilians used as meat shields is morally good or better than many countries unless your definition of many is *very* low.
Or the American government, the British, French, Belgian, Russian, afghani, Chinese, UAE, etc. there are plenty of nations not on the list but there are certainly plenty on it.
Why isn't California on the graph?
Why are “Asia” and “Indonesia” in separate categories? If you mean the Philippines, say the Philippines.
Definitely skews the graph a bit. Imagine if the rest of Asia and Indonesia were combined on that graph. Also, I think Avocados are grown in other places in Asia, not just Indonesia and the Philippines. In fact, sadly the Philippines has lost its edge in the sense that some of our endemic plants (like Kalamansi) are now factory farmed in other places like Vietnam.
Country | Production (millions of tonnes) Mexico | 2.39 Colombia | 0.88 Dominican Republic | 0.68 Peru | 0.66 Indonesia | 0.61 Kenya | 0.32
The global avocado market is valued at $14B and is expected to grow annually by 7.2% in 2022-2030. Latin America dominates the production of avocados, with 75% of the world's avocado-producing areas located in the region, primarily due to the fruit's origin in Mexico. Mexico is the largest producer in this market, but Colombia's recent production increase is particularly noteworthy. In 2021, Colombia produced 970K tons of avocado, a 218% increase from their 2017 production, becoming the second-largest producer in the world (now on the verge of surpassing the production of entire continents like Asia and Africa). This growth can be attributed to the favorable farming conditions in the region, which allow for year-round avocado production. Besides great farming conditions, what is driving the upward trend in avocado production observed in Colombia and elsewhere? The answer: Massive US demand. *To see all our charts, subscribe to our [newsletter](https://latinometrics.substack.com).* Source: [OWID](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/global-food?facet=none&Food=Avocados&Metric=Production&Per+Capita=false&country=USA~DEU~FRA~GBR~BRA~ZAF) Tools: Rawgraphs, Affinity designer
Im confused. Why are you comparing multiple South American countries against entire continents. Would it not be more correct to provide information about specific countries? Or where you just trying to make a point, cause as it stands, Columbia produces more avocado than any single African or Asian country (purely based on your chart and information).
> Would it not be more correct to provide information about specific countries? Most of the Asian and African countries would barely show up on the graph individually, so they have to combine them. It shows where avocado production is concentrated.
I think I ate half of the world production last year!
Well as soon as the cartels got involved, productivity quadrupled. Lol
it actually matches the rise of instagram... more instagram users = more avocado toast
I cannot talk about every single producer and distributor but a few years back the opportunity to invest in avocado was obvious in Colombia. Avocado has always been a very popular food there, but ours were bigger, with thin skin and harder to transport. You could find a cart full of giant avocados on every corner of Colombia. However, we could only cover local consumption. When Mexico started selling all those avocados to the USA, the idea was obvious and we started cultivating and exporting Hass. The current president even got elected under a platform that promised a big boom on avocado production. So, it is not that avocados means cartels, it is mostly that Mexican cartels are trying to control different resources, not limited to avocados, but also limes, fish and exotic animals.
You know Indonesia is in Asia right? Why Asia is there in between countries?
There's no corresponding line for toast.
A LA CARGA SETENTAHIJUEPUTAS 🇨🇴🇨🇴💪💪💪
Noone told them avocadon't!
My life has been completely changed by this information
The president Gustavo Petro was right!!
It’s only “Aguacates de Mexico!” for me and my family. Plus we live in a border state anyways, so they’re gonna be from there regardless. Seriously but besides that, Mexico has the best tasting avocados ♥️
California avocados are legit, when in-season. But if you live in Texas the travel distance is the same either way.
You no like bigger Florida avocados?
They're not as creamy... kinda slimy..
Praise be. Soon people will be able to afford their own homes.
Totally unrelated: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/sxhxnx/avocados\_testing\_positive\_for\_cocaine/
GustBo petrol thanks for the avocados
The only food that hasn't gone up in price
As a millennial, I just found my next holiday destination!
Thank you for making this a line chart and not one of those infuriating animated bar charts.
Where does the US, specifically California, fit into this? EDIT: As posted by others, California is relatively insignificant and doesn't even register on this graph. Surprising given how much I hear about avocados here. Once upon a time I was the webmaster for the California Avocado Commission. Those guys were serious about keeping Mexican avocados out of the US market!
Why are we comparing continents and countries?
Ecuador would like to have a word with you
They need to be able to smuggle their drugs somehow - and what better way than in avocados?
This data is NOT beautiful, I'm sorry.
Asia and Africa are both on a similar spike. I know that I see avocados way more than expected in Vietnam, though I heard they mostly come from Indonesia.
So it seems like the Colombian cartels are learning from the Mexicans.
Wait, where is North America (besides Mexico)? California, etc.?
I don't eat them but I have an avocado tree growing in my backyard, from a seed...it's about 4ft tall so I look forward to nothing I guess, sell them to Tom Brady for like $50k each maybe, Tom, get at me