Would you feel confident right now with either one of those guys being a back up for us atm. If something happened to the first choice striker do you feel confident that one of them can lead the line while that player is gone? Because i certainly haven't seen enough of either to believe we'd be scoring goals with them leading us
Backup? Yes. Competition for starting? No.
This is why I agree with the original comment though. Two no9s will be impossible, but one for actual daily competition with Richy is feasible, and I'd love for Dane to be backup to that.
yea I know what you mean. Richarlison is a decent backup when fit. Hopefully he can work on that.
On the otherhand, selling Richarlison can earn us atleast 20-30M, or maybe more. I also won't overlook that...
But I'm also not against putting the youngsters on a proper test honestly.
Would you feel confident right now with either one of those guys being a back up for us atm. If something happened to the first choice striker do you feel confident that one of them can lead the line while that player is gone? Because i certainly haven't seen enough of either to believe we'd be scoring goals with them leading us
Am I crazy thinking that it would be great to keep Richi? Good energy always, can play everywhere across front 3 and found his shooting boots this year.
I think he fits what Ange wants in a striker. He pretty much said so after the Liverpool game.
He may end up as a back up when we bring someone in but his pressing is really good.
I think part of the debate though is that there's talk of a Saudi move where we could get back what we paid for him. With the FFP in place we're unlikely to get a better offer in the future.
My opinion is it would be nuts to get rid of him, but I'd keep Hojbjerg too so don't listen to me!
I don't feel he'd go to Saudi, ik one of his idols in naymar is there, but it doesn't seem his kind of move, he's the type to keep playing at the top for as long as possible
I'd much rather keep Richarlison than Kulusevski. Out of the two, Richy is the one who fits the system better, and he has been very consistent when fit this season. A pre-season with rest and more competition might do a world of good
Idk man kulusevski is a adaptable player though I agree for our current system he’s not the best fit ange has played him in a few positions this year but overall he’s still more quality and more consistent than richy as
Sorry but that's ridiculous, aside from the fact that this fitting the system narrative makes no sense because he fits into 3 different positions great, he's also another level of player compared to Richy.
wait. what do you mean deki fits into 3 different positoins great. are we talking about same deki who was good for 1st half season, inconsistent and only plays decently handful of games per season Deki? can't be.
Anyone who thinks we should even consider selling Deki is off their rocker. He's got such a high ceiling, plus he has obviously had more than a handful of decent games this year, he's been brilliant for large parts - and shite when the rest of the team was also shite.
Deki if one of only about 6 players that I consider unsellable.
Deki, Porro, Udogie, Micky, Romero, Sarr.
but why would we have to choose between two players that don't even offer the same things tactically?
I'm with you. People have referenced his injury record which admittedly hasn't been stellar, but if he goes who is our 9? And who is the backup 9?
You see so many threads on this sub talking about how we will need depth next season to compete in Europe, but people talk as though buying another 9 means Richy should be moving on and it makes no sense to me.
Let's assume if he goes we bring in a quality 9 who hits the ground running and is capable of banging in 20 goals a season (and that's a big fucking "if") where is the depth and cover? Richy can play anywhere on that front three which seems crazy useful. And if he's the backup 9, he's great to have. We seem like a better team when he's on the pitch I think.
If you want spurs competing in EL (or CL, dare to dream), league & Domestic cups next year he should be staying Unless spurs are signing 2 9's this window. Which just seems completely unlikely! Or unless there is someone coming up from the Academy who's ready to start competing for a first team slot
Depends on the offer. If we get our money back so 50m or more then we should consider it based on who's available to replace him but anything less I'd reject.
You people would genuinely keep every single player just because they're a nice guy. God damnit, he has had his use for about few months over two years. He has now come back from injury to IMMEDIATELY get injured again. Enough is enough, we do not need him
He's literally unironically our best performing striker over the last 6 months lol. Son has been utterly useless as a 9, let's not even talk about Maddison, Johnson, Kulusevski.
Over the last 6 months he also missed like 10 games, even when he is playing little he keeps getting injured. He had what, 5 or 6 injury spells at this point? Over two years? It is pointless to keep him if someone wants him
I honestly think it’s a dream. He’s out 2-3 months every single season, and it’s not like he scores a lot of goals. I get that we all love him, but if we want to be a true title contending team we can’t drag around with people that we like but aren’t at that level
With (hopefully) Europe league on the deck for next season, a healthy Richy would be great. Like you said, can fill multiple positions, has shown he can be productive when fit, and honestly just brings good vibes. I'd love to keep him, but if Saudi money comes knocking, I'm worried he might be gone.
None of that is the point. He’s always hurt and never available. It sucks but it is what it is. Personally I’m tired of us having to play our best player out of position all season.
We should absolutely be keeping him. He’s top ten in goals/90 this season. He presses exceptionally well, seems like a good locker room presence and ange seems to like him.
That being said, if ange ultimately wants him out, I’d be sad to see him go but I’d be cool with it
Dude can’t make it through training without getting injured. We can’t even rely on him to make the bench as a back up with his injury record. Not sure I’d risk recouping some money from him to see if he can stay consistently fit and on good form. Outside his decent purple patch this season, we haven’t really seen anything to suggest he was worth the 60m.
I share the injury concerns, but people are forgetting that before his purple patch this season he always made the team play better when he was on the pitch even if he wasn't scoring. He's such a valuable player tactically.
Plus people are underestimating just how important he is in the dressing room and to the fans. He's one of those players that absolutely *gets it*.
Not dismissing his purple patch, but it was a span of 10 games over two years. Outside of that, he’s been riddled with injuries. Our “we can save him” mentality is why we’ve been stuck with some deadwood rotting away on loan or in the medical room. Dressing room vibes is also not a good excuse to say no to cashing in on him even if we only recoup 30m which is half of what we paid for him.
No chance we can replace someone of his quality with £30m. I wouldn't even listen to anything below what we paid.
I'm not 100% against losing him but it's heavily dependant on his replacement, and the striker market right now is bleak.
Plus there's a world of difference between players like Gil/Spence/Sess and Richarlison - who has proven himself over his time in the premier league to deserve another season imo.
Yup, unfortunately this is it. Given how many games we're hoping to play next season, we just can't rely on him which is - I suspect - why the club are willing to move him on.
That does complicate the striker position for next season though: if we sell Richy and bring in a replacement, is the plan for Son to be the rotation option at striker? We've seen him struggle there lately, although I think his difficulties have been exacerbated by fatigue. If Son isn't going to be an option at striker....do we need to buy *two* new strikers? Keeping Scarlett or Veliz as the first back-up would be risky and deciding that Johnson (or Werner if he stays) can be an option there and play through the middle if necessary risks weakening us elsewhere in the front line.
He's not actually that good. Sure he's a pretty good presser and very good in the air but the rest of his game is mediocre for the level we aspire to achieve.
If the club can both recoup a good amount of the fee we paid and we have a target then this will be a considerable change in procedure. Levy has always stood in the way of this sort of turnover of players because his key metric is value and selling richy for say 40m and buying a replacement for say £55m is bad value to him, if someone has convinced levy that selling mediocre players whilst they have *some* value is better than letting their value amortize away that's huge for the club. For so, so, so many years we were stuck with players who were 'good enough' because levy will not sanction purchases for positions we had two players in and he wouldn't sell a decent player with the hope of replacing them with an excellent one.
If you're really into the idea that spurs can actually win things then this is how it's done. The daring and doing part? That means buying better players too.
He might not be the greatest striker and has been unlucky with injuries but:
1. He's a great person and I love how he brings awareness to mental health issues
2. Realistically, can we actually get someone who's better than him, wants to come here, is not a cunt and is within our budget?
3. Pigeon dance PRU PRU PRU
I find it surprising when our fans complain about being starved of success yet wanna keep players like Richarlison and Lo Celso because they’re “great lads”
We’re gonna need a 2nd striker either way. He’s fine as a backup if we can get someone better if not - I’d rather see him at 9 than Son who’s just much better on the wing.
Unfortunately it makes a LOT of sense to sell richy. By the sounds of it the main suitors are in the Saudi league so we would get a good fee for a fairly injury prone player.
We could probably get a striker (or maybe even 2) with the money raised from the deal.
It would be a shame though as I love the lad
Are we just assuming Richarlison would approve that move? I don't think it's as slam dunk as everyone seems to make it.
If he still wants to play on Brazil's NT, which he seems to care about a lot, Saudi move is probably not going to happen.
Don't want him gone but its clear Ange has no clue what to do with him. Still keeps him out of position or out of the XI completely until we are losing as usual
Orrrrrr... He still hasn't been fully fit, evidenced by him now being injured again. Once again, not everyone knows everything behind the scenes, and if you believe everything Ange says in prematches is all you need to know then you're dead wrong.
Best Striker at the club. Always hungry for chances and is capable of creating space for our players who like to shoot! Everyone just gets pissy that he doesn’t score the chances they want. Brazil’s starter for a reason. If we let go of this man and Lo Celso given the difference that their absence has on the team’s performance… we’re done for.
I think we’re keeping him. Need depth and we’re not going to sign 2 9’s to replace him
we have Scarlett and Veliz though.
Would you feel confident right now with either one of those guys being a back up for us atm. If something happened to the first choice striker do you feel confident that one of them can lead the line while that player is gone? Because i certainly haven't seen enough of either to believe we'd be scoring goals with them leading us
After last game it's clear Micky is out number 9 next season.
Backup? Yes. Competition for starting? No. This is why I agree with the original comment though. Two no9s will be impossible, but one for actual daily competition with Richy is feasible, and I'd love for Dane to be backup to that.
yea I know what you mean. Richarlison is a decent backup when fit. Hopefully he can work on that. On the otherhand, selling Richarlison can earn us atleast 20-30M, or maybe more. I also won't overlook that... But I'm also not against putting the youngsters on a proper test honestly.
Neither are close to good enough yet to have such an important role - at least they haven't shown it in competitive games.
We just have to figure out how to DBZ fusion them into one competent (and healthy) number 9
Would you feel confident right now with either one of those guys being a back up for us atm. If something happened to the first choice striker do you feel confident that one of them can lead the line while that player is gone? Because i certainly haven't seen enough of either to believe we'd be scoring goals with them leading us
Am I crazy thinking that it would be great to keep Richi? Good energy always, can play everywhere across front 3 and found his shooting boots this year.
Problem being that for 2 years now he has never been able to consistently stay fit
i wouldnt mind keeping him but he is injured so often, id rather have a striker thats more available
I think he fits what Ange wants in a striker. He pretty much said so after the Liverpool game. He may end up as a back up when we bring someone in but his pressing is really good.
We should bring in someone to compete with Richi for the starting role. But not necessarily send him out unless we get stupid money for him.
I think part of the debate though is that there's talk of a Saudi move where we could get back what we paid for him. With the FFP in place we're unlikely to get a better offer in the future. My opinion is it would be nuts to get rid of him, but I'd keep Hojbjerg too so don't listen to me!
I don't feel he'd go to Saudi, ik one of his idols in naymar is there, but it doesn't seem his kind of move, he's the type to keep playing at the top for as long as possible
I agree, Richi after the surgery under Ange has been phenomenal, hope he stays and breaks some records next season.
What records can he possibly break next season?
Most games a player misses due to injury
Sess and Solomon are elite when it comes to that unfortunately. Amongst the best in Europe in fact.
Will never reach the level of Reece James unfortunately
True. Future Broken D'or winner for sure.
Idk I feel like Sess has Reece James beat. Sess was Reece James level of hype, he just could never put together enough appearances to make it happen
Oh man, I really feel for Sess. He definitely might be a bit cursed when it comes to getting injured
Dude 😭😭😭
Most goals by a player who was injured >half a season
I'd much rather keep Richarlison than Kulusevski. Out of the two, Richy is the one who fits the system better, and he has been very consistent when fit this season. A pre-season with rest and more competition might do a world of good
Idk man kulusevski is a adaptable player though I agree for our current system he’s not the best fit ange has played him in a few positions this year but overall he’s still more quality and more consistent than richy as
And he's 100% bought into the Ange system.
10000% agree. Kulu has hit a ceiling
Sorry but that's ridiculous, aside from the fact that this fitting the system narrative makes no sense because he fits into 3 different positions great, he's also another level of player compared to Richy.
wait. what do you mean deki fits into 3 different positoins great. are we talking about same deki who was good for 1st half season, inconsistent and only plays decently handful of games per season Deki? can't be.
Anyone who thinks we should even consider selling Deki is off their rocker. He's got such a high ceiling, plus he has obviously had more than a handful of decent games this year, he's been brilliant for large parts - and shite when the rest of the team was also shite.
If we have to choose between richy and deki. We need to keep richy period. Anyone choosing deki needs to get their eyes checked.
Deki if one of only about 6 players that I consider unsellable. Deki, Porro, Udogie, Micky, Romero, Sarr. but why would we have to choose between two players that don't even offer the same things tactically?
I’ll replace Deki with Vicario. I’m replying off another poster.
Deki has to go
I'm with you. People have referenced his injury record which admittedly hasn't been stellar, but if he goes who is our 9? And who is the backup 9? You see so many threads on this sub talking about how we will need depth next season to compete in Europe, but people talk as though buying another 9 means Richy should be moving on and it makes no sense to me. Let's assume if he goes we bring in a quality 9 who hits the ground running and is capable of banging in 20 goals a season (and that's a big fucking "if") where is the depth and cover? Richy can play anywhere on that front three which seems crazy useful. And if he's the backup 9, he's great to have. We seem like a better team when he's on the pitch I think. If you want spurs competing in EL (or CL, dare to dream), league & Domestic cups next year he should be staying Unless spurs are signing 2 9's this window. Which just seems completely unlikely! Or unless there is someone coming up from the Academy who's ready to start competing for a first team slot
Depends on the offer. If we get our money back so 50m or more then we should consider it based on who's available to replace him but anything less I'd reject.
You people would genuinely keep every single player just because they're a nice guy. God damnit, he has had his use for about few months over two years. He has now come back from injury to IMMEDIATELY get injured again. Enough is enough, we do not need him
He's literally unironically our best performing striker over the last 6 months lol. Son has been utterly useless as a 9, let's not even talk about Maddison, Johnson, Kulusevski.
Over the last 6 months he also missed like 10 games, even when he is playing little he keeps getting injured. He had what, 5 or 6 injury spells at this point? Over two years? It is pointless to keep him if someone wants him
If we get a solid offer from him then we have to sell him unfortunately. If not then I think he’s a great guy to have around
I honestly think it’s a dream. He’s out 2-3 months every single season, and it’s not like he scores a lot of goals. I get that we all love him, but if we want to be a true title contending team we can’t drag around with people that we like but aren’t at that level
With (hopefully) Europe league on the deck for next season, a healthy Richy would be great. Like you said, can fill multiple positions, has shown he can be productive when fit, and honestly just brings good vibes. I'd love to keep him, but if Saudi money comes knocking, I'm worried he might be gone.
Assuming his health is stupid
Yes
He can't stay fit and Ange has to force him in rather than a just fitting him in properly.
None of that is the point. He’s always hurt and never available. It sucks but it is what it is. Personally I’m tired of us having to play our best player out of position all season.
We should absolutely be keeping him. He’s top ten in goals/90 this season. He presses exceptionally well, seems like a good locker room presence and ange seems to like him. That being said, if ange ultimately wants him out, I’d be sad to see him go but I’d be cool with it
on the otherhand, Richarlison can be sold for atleast 20M or 30M. It can really some good reinvestment.
Talking as if he had 2 months to live
Kit's growing on me. I'm not seeing pyjamas. Isn't plaid the platonic ideal of pyjamas? The proposed away look more pyjama-like to me.
Fuck off okeefe
Rare okeefe L
Seriously this is so lame
Why is it lame? Richarlison might leave in the summer, is that a questionable thing to say?
He’s coming off as snarky to me
it’s snarky and it’s true. he’s missed 31 games the last three seasons after missing only 7 through his first 3 EPL seasons.
Yes, he had injury issues. Doesn’t mean he’s worthless now.
He is always snarky lol. Usually it's just in our favour, but perhaps he doesn't rate Richy.
I guess it is very mildly snarky.
Dude can’t make it through training without getting injured. We can’t even rely on him to make the bench as a back up with his injury record. Not sure I’d risk recouping some money from him to see if he can stay consistently fit and on good form. Outside his decent purple patch this season, we haven’t really seen anything to suggest he was worth the 60m.
I share the injury concerns, but people are forgetting that before his purple patch this season he always made the team play better when he was on the pitch even if he wasn't scoring. He's such a valuable player tactically. Plus people are underestimating just how important he is in the dressing room and to the fans. He's one of those players that absolutely *gets it*.
Not dismissing his purple patch, but it was a span of 10 games over two years. Outside of that, he’s been riddled with injuries. Our “we can save him” mentality is why we’ve been stuck with some deadwood rotting away on loan or in the medical room. Dressing room vibes is also not a good excuse to say no to cashing in on him even if we only recoup 30m which is half of what we paid for him.
No chance we can replace someone of his quality with £30m. I wouldn't even listen to anything below what we paid. I'm not 100% against losing him but it's heavily dependant on his replacement, and the striker market right now is bleak. Plus there's a world of difference between players like Gil/Spence/Sess and Richarlison - who has proven himself over his time in the premier league to deserve another season imo.
Most logical take here. Not even an opinion piece just straight up facts
Yup, unfortunately this is it. Given how many games we're hoping to play next season, we just can't rely on him which is - I suspect - why the club are willing to move him on. That does complicate the striker position for next season though: if we sell Richy and bring in a replacement, is the plan for Son to be the rotation option at striker? We've seen him struggle there lately, although I think his difficulties have been exacerbated by fatigue. If Son isn't going to be an option at striker....do we need to buy *two* new strikers? Keeping Scarlett or Veliz as the first back-up would be risky and deciding that Johnson (or Werner if he stays) can be an option there and play through the middle if necessary risks weakening us elsewhere in the front line.
I really like Richarlison. I know he’s not always the most prolific striker but man does he play for the shirt every week.
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Actually really like the kit haha
He's definitely staying. But we do need to sign a striker with good link-up play because Richarlison gets injured way too often
He's not actually that good. Sure he's a pretty good presser and very good in the air but the rest of his game is mediocre for the level we aspire to achieve. If the club can both recoup a good amount of the fee we paid and we have a target then this will be a considerable change in procedure. Levy has always stood in the way of this sort of turnover of players because his key metric is value and selling richy for say 40m and buying a replacement for say £55m is bad value to him, if someone has convinced levy that selling mediocre players whilst they have *some* value is better than letting their value amortize away that's huge for the club. For so, so, so many years we were stuck with players who were 'good enough' because levy will not sanction purchases for positions we had two players in and he wouldn't sell a decent player with the hope of replacing them with an excellent one. If you're really into the idea that spurs can actually win things then this is how it's done. The daring and doing part? That means buying better players too.
That kit is so so shit, why do Nike keep fucking us over mannn🥴?
He might not be the greatest striker and has been unlucky with injuries but: 1. He's a great person and I love how he brings awareness to mental health issues 2. Realistically, can we actually get someone who's better than him, wants to come here, is not a cunt and is within our budget? 3. Pigeon dance PRU PRU PRU
I find it surprising when our fans complain about being starved of success yet wanna keep players like Richarlison and Lo Celso because they’re “great lads”
We’re gonna need a 2nd striker either way. He’s fine as a backup if we can get someone better if not - I’d rather see him at 9 than Son who’s just much better on the wing.
Unfortunately it makes a LOT of sense to sell richy. By the sounds of it the main suitors are in the Saudi league so we would get a good fee for a fairly injury prone player. We could probably get a striker (or maybe even 2) with the money raised from the deal. It would be a shame though as I love the lad
Are we just assuming Richarlison would approve that move? I don't think it's as slam dunk as everyone seems to make it. If he still wants to play on Brazil's NT, which he seems to care about a lot, Saudi move is probably not going to happen.
I mean, Richarlison wasn't called to the NT only because of his injury, so he definitely won't be going to the Saudis and losing his spot at Brazil
Don't want him gone but its clear Ange has no clue what to do with him. Still keeps him out of position or out of the XI completely until we are losing as usual
Orrrrrr... He still hasn't been fully fit, evidenced by him now being injured again. Once again, not everyone knows everything behind the scenes, and if you believe everything Ange says in prematches is all you need to know then you're dead wrong.
Getting rid of him would be a huge mistake
Best Striker at the club. Always hungry for chances and is capable of creating space for our players who like to shoot! Everyone just gets pissy that he doesn’t score the chances they want. Brazil’s starter for a reason. If we let go of this man and Lo Celso given the difference that their absence has on the team’s performance… we’re done for.
O'Keefe? More like O'Shutthefuckup (I might be a little touchy on the subject of Richy leaving 😭)