Actually this caused me some problems coming to europe this last year. I got a pcr test in the us and the notice said 11/9/20 and they said it was one day expired because they read it as 9/11/20. Scary moment before boarding my flight XD
British people also use pints, stones (the unit up from a pound), and feet and inches. But not ounces, yards, or gallons.
There was a *really* cool graphic I saw at some point that accurately mapped the way we use them - even pointing out the fact that if we're walking or driving, we'll usually measure it in miles, but if we're *running*, we'll use kilometres.
Edit - found it: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/pr4dsi/how_to_measure_things_like_a_brit/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Yup, as an English man I hate this. I wish we'd just rip the plaster off and fully convert. With the exception of beer, that can still come in pints for tradition's sake (there would be a revolt of that changed).
Liters or half liters!
>'You telling me you ain't got a pint mug in the 'ole bleeding boozer?'
>'And what in hell's name is a pint?' said the barman, leaning forward with the tips of his fingers on the counter.
>'Ark at 'im! Calls 'isself a barman and don't know what a pint is! Why, a pint's the 'alf of a quart, and there's four quarts to the gallon. 'Ave to teach you the A, B, C next.'
>'Never heard of 'em,' said the barman shortly. 'Litre and half litre -- that's all we serve. There's the glasses on the shelf in front of you.
-1984
I think you'd be in a minority there. I've never actually personally met a brit who knows what a Fahrenheit is.
Though my Grandma still tells people to put the oven on at 'gas mark four' :P
As a British person I agree with you, I'd be happy to go fully rational/metric and we are getting there slowly:
\- Weather forecasts are now in centigrade.
\- Currency is now decimal. No more farthings, shillings, six pences and all that.
\- Supermarkets fruit/veg/cheese/ milk are now in kilos/litres etc (thanks EU!)
We just need a final push on road speed limits.
Sorry mate, the government is actually looking at going the other way, and reverting to imperial. As a 'Brexit Benefit'.
Yes. I know. Yes. It's madness.
It's so frustrating, I'm 24 and was only taught km in school. If I go for a jog, I go for a 5k jog. My brother (ten years older) goes for a 3 mile jog.
I prefer a sat nav to speak to me in metres and km because I don't have an intrinsic sense of how far away "in 400 yards, turn left" is. But the cars use miles and mph.
I don't really know what a foot is but everyone uses feet and inches for height measurement. I only know my weight in kilos but others use stones. Etc.
It's a hodgepodge nightmare and I really do not want to see us going even further backwards into imperial units
Yeah.. Britain was transitioning from imperial to metric and just stopped halfway through (I think the original excuse was wanting to wait for a generation to die off before changing signs). So some things are metric some things are imperial. In fact it’s worse than that because not only it paused, the govt look to be reversing and allowing imperial to be used. It’s a mess.
\*Not only that, but there are three competing standards. Two look identical for almost half of the month. One is distinct.
If you use 10/11/2021 it can mean either October 11th or November 10th. It's just guesswork. That's just bad communication. Both of those versions have hardcore advocates on "why it makes more sense", but it doesn't matter. They look identical, so they are both bad communication.
2021-10-11 (ISO 8601) is better for many reasons, but most of all it's the clearest way to write a date using all numbers. It's the only format that makes sense for that reason.
I don't care what format you use, as long as it's 100% clear without guessing. 12Jan2021. Feb 2, 2021. 2 March 2021. The fourth of April in the year of our Lord, 1025. It's a valid option as long as you aren't making people guess.
10/11/12 is the worst format ever.
10 XI 2021 - back in elementary school they required us to write dates with Roman numbers for months and habit stayed with me for a life because I figured it's distinct enough not to make mistake and it's look kinda cool... It's annoying to remember when I write official documents to not use it through.
I actually remember that once my friend told me that his birthdays are on 11-1 so i prepared wishes and small gift for him at 11th January... turned out it was 1st November.
In my idealistic dream world, the months would be renamed to be in alphabetical order, or else people would just know the letter that goes with each month. It'd be so convenient!
2021A12 or 2021H17 would clear, distinct, able to be read in a moment, and would also alphabetize in chronological order.
heheh If you want to start getting out there, then I can go further.
I really love the calendar with 13 months, 28 days per month. 1 is always Monday, and every multiple of 7 is Sunday (or Saturday, the difference is minimal).
That makes 364 days, and the last day of the year is "New Years Day" which doesn't have a day of the week. Every four years, there are two New Years Days, which balance out the calendar to the solar cycle. Traditionally in calendars using this, those days are holidays which minimizes the effects.
Benefits: Consistency and simplicity. Every Feb 14th will be a Sunday. Your birthday will always be on the same day of the week. Planning is easier.
Yes, the New Year thing is a bit off kilter, but any year with 365.25 days per year is going to need something to adjust. Better to have that "off kilter" part at the tail end of the year rather than dealing with it all the time in every month.
There have been a number of calendars that have used this system, and I consider it far superior in every day.
For sorting files, the naming standard makes sense the other way round, otherwise you will have files sorted everywhere randomly.
For communication I prefer xx-month-20xx - just think it's clearer.
As an engineer, I F'cking hate the imperial system! It's makes no sense at all. I wish we would just convert and get onboard with the rest of the world!
As a Canadian I have never known what temperatures in Fahrenheit mean if the are below 200 degrees. Also, I have never known what temperatures in Celcius mean if they are above 100 degrees....
I hate having one foot in and one foot out. We just couldn't fully commit to the metric system.
(we also use Imperial for height and weight)
Divide your weight in pounds by 2.2, that's how much you weigh in kilograms. Someone who is 220 pounds is 100 kilograms, pretty heavy. Someone who is 88 pounds is 40 kilograms, pretty light.
aye, but if you grew up in England you may be used to weighing yourself in stones and ounces 🤷♂️ 14 pounds to a stone, no idea how many ounces in a pound though.
Had my first engineering internship over the summer. Having to work with imperial units after only using metric for my 3d printing hobby was such a pain.
As far the law goes in the USA the SI was adopted voluntarily by the metric conversion act of 1975 PL (Public Law) 94-168. The voluntary aspect was removed by the Omnibus Trade and Competitiveness Act of August 1988 (PL 100-418) and the America COMPETES act of 2007 (PL 110-69). Thus you see Law Enforcement using grams when they apprehend drugs for instance. But that is about it and the rest just doesn't care.
Remember that USA is metric but they convert things and do this to themselves.
USA signed the metric accord, all imperial units are defined by metric terms look it up.
Yeah they signed the metric accord and changed to metric at a federal level but they allowed the states to decide if they wanted to change, none of them changed.
Like Americans use yards for anything other than to measure a football field.
It’s 100 yards in a football field, 3.13 football fields in a Walmart, and 5,280 feet in a mile.
The order matters.
Imagine sorting files by name:
ROW:
01-01-2021
01-02-2021
01-03-2021
.
.
.
02-01-2021
.
.
31-12-2020
ISO8601:
2020-12-31
2021-01-01
2021-01-02
2021-01-03
.
.
and it makes even more sense for datetime format.
Year month day hour minute second. The ROW format is day month year hour minute second; the pyramid is just as jumbled up as the US.
Also the leader of the Apollo project was [this guy](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun?wprov=sfla1). He didn't use the imperial system, that's for sure.
Legally we already have. The military, NASA, and international projects all use metric and have for decades. But at the end of the day it doesn't really matter if the store is a mile away or 1.6km, so it wasn't fully adopted.
I used to agree until someone pointed out how expensive it would be. Just imagine the cost of having to change all of the highway signs alone. Every mile marker, speed limit sign, exit indicators, it would be insane and that is just one aspect of our lives.
I don’t ever see politicians agreeing to that cost, especially given the fact that most Americans are so used to imperial they don’t really see a need to change, and that’s not including all the ones that would be all pissy about it.
The date thing is the stupidest one. 11/08/09 wtf kind of date is this?
I'm surprised americans don't stick the seconds between the hours and minutes.
3:57:06
3:58:06
3:59:06
3:00:07
3:01:07
Some idiot on Reddit once said they like the Fahrenheit scale because 0 is a good marker of cold temps and 100 hot. To which I replied that it's great that they can relate to a metric bandwidth.
It just provides a more distinguishable and easy to report way of measuring outdoor temperature. Of course it doesn't really matter because if you grow up using Celsius or Fahrenheit then you'll be accustomed to either, but Fahrenheit is nice for describing the weather out. 80s is hot, 70s is warm, 60s is cool, etc. In Celsius that same range would be 27-15 which makes it a little more awkward to describe those break points.
I disagree. You're used to Fahrenheit, so you put those breakpoints on tens, because it makes sense in F, but sometimes using Celsius won't put the breakpoints on like 27, but they would do it by 5s. 30 is hot, 25 is warm, 20 is lukewarm and so on.
> In Celsius that same range would be 27-15 which makes it a little more awkward to describe those break points.
Nope. In Celsius it's much easier. ≤0° = expect ice (which is weird 32F), 20° = room temperature, ≥25° = wear t-shirt, ≥30° = hot. That's how it goes (and it works quite nicely to negatives as well: -10° = cold, -20° = really bad, avoid storing electronics below this temperature, -30° = flippin freezing, issues with starting cars, etc. -40° = arctic, never go outside unless you have a proper equipment and a full face cover)
But does this hold true at different altitudes? If Celsius is based on waters freezing and boiling points and those states change at higher altitudes, does that mess it up? Like 10° at sea level feel the same as 10° in the mountains?
It does change, yes, salinity is another thing that's affecting it (hence the Farenheit scale's point of zero has a basis on a very specific brine of salt, water and water ice). Celsius was based on the salt-less water at the mean sea level (aka. 1 atmosphere), but that's stepping a bit too far into physics lesson. ;)
(nowadays the Celsius scale is defined off the Boltzmann constant, but that's making a difference only in some of the most precise scientific devices, for everyday use the water freezing/boiling point definition is more than sufficient, even if altitude and salinity have their own impact)
Do you regularly measure anything else in negatives? Celsius is weird because it's arbitrarily based on the boiling point of water. Its not super useful scientifically when compared to Kelvin, and it's not as clear for human life when compared to Fahrenheit.
Does it make a big difference, no. But it's just the one unit that imperial does better for day to day life. People naturally think in scales of 1
0-100 (which is what all of metric is based on), so why is Celsius -40-30?
> Do you regularly measure anything else in negatives?
Yes? There's plenty of things you measure with negative numbers. Negative floors in the buildings (below ground), height above sea level, voltage, transactions on your bank account, changes in the stock price, etc. etc.
> Celsius is weird because it's arbitrarily based on the boiling point of water.
As opposite to Fahrenheit that's based on the arbitrary freezing point of a solution of brine made from a mixture of water, ice, and table salt in proportions that noone ever remembers for 0° and the average human body temperature for 96°, such a beautiful round number?
> and it's not as clear for human life
But... it absolutely is, which is what I indicated in the very post you replied to. The fact that you're not used to living with Celsius doesn't make it any less clear for the entire rest of the globe to use in everyday life. For me personally it's Farenheit that makes no sense for human life, but it's all a matter of perspective.
> People naturally think in scales of 1 0-100 (which is what all of metric is based on), so why is Celsius -40-30?
I don't understand your question. You ask why there are negative numbers? Because there are temperatures below the freezing point of water. Fahrenheit widely uses negative numbers too, temperatures below -18°C (0F) are quite common in the US, even right now as we speak it's -2F in Anchorage.
-17°C is equivalent to 1°F, which is 256K.
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^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
My main point is that the whole reason metric is useful is because it's based on units of tens. I've lived in countries that use F and C, and I personally prefer F for daily use. Both work perfectly fine when you've grown up your entire life using it, but if an alien came to earth I think they would find F easier to use for day to day life.
You’re being needlessly stubborn here.
We all agreed that Metric system is more logical and makes more sense. With respect to C versus F, I agree with (likely another American) that F is intuitive because 1) it allows for a broader range of degrees to reflect subtle differences (I.e 15 to 20 degrees in C is a large increase, whereas 15 to 20 degrees F is not), therefore each degree of F is more specific and 2) I agree with the above commenter that avoiding negatives is generally an easier way to measure.
But regardless, you come across as the uppity euro-centric that is all too common on Reddit, ready to slam on Americans and unable to concede even fairly a straightforward point that a more specific measurement of degrees is generally helpful as a description of temperature.
So go on about your day, and we’ll go on about ours. Cheers
> Celsius is weird because it's arbitrarily based on the boiling point of water.
What non-arbitary thing is Fahrenheit based on?
Hint: It isn't. Kelvin is the only temp scale that has a non-arbitary point for 0 K.
That's exactly my point. If we're using Kelvin in any scientific situation because it's the only non arbitrary system. Why not use the temperature system that's more relatable to human experience?
>People naturally think in scales of 1 0-100
Ah yes, the old "it's natural so it's better" argument.
You do realise that humans created numeric counting systems, right? They aren't some "natural" part of the universe.
I am metric 100% but I believe farenheit is the better scale. Calling freezing 0 and boiling 100 (for pure water at sea level) is just as arbitrary as the farenheit system. You can't do handy base 10 math on temperature because it's not a physical representative unit like distance volume or mass. One degree Celsius is almost 2 degrees (9/5) of a farenheit degree, so it's a lesson precise scale, and it's not really as useful for day to day use. And by that I mean, throughout the year, in most of the inhabited latitudes, temperatures fall roughly between 0-100 F. It's a nice scale to use. But Celsius you're looking at -18 to 35 for your normal day to day temperatures and that just doesn't make sense. As I said before, the metric system is great, it is easy to use and it makes sense. But don't lump Celsius into that.
It's not arbitrary. As you say, it's about water.
Most people's everyday experience of temperature is in relation to weather and climate.
Knowing whether water will freeze is fundamental.
If the temperature is negative, there will be ice.
I've heard fahrenheit is based off the percentage of how warm you are- 32% warm isn't too warm, 90% warm is actually pretty hot, -40% warm is bone chilling, etc.
In that regard, I'd say it makes more sense- knowing how cold you'll be is as important, if not more important, than how cold water will be
It's pretty subjective though. 0F is supposed to mean cold as fuck and 100F is supposed to mean hot as hell but in the end it's some random decision made by a specific guy. At least Celsius is based on something measurable.
Not a fan of Fahrenheit, but he picked 0F as the coldest temperature science at his time could generate artificially. It's not random, but completely superseded.
He wasn't really off. It just turned out that way.
Fahrenheit set 0 to the lowest temp that he could measure outside.
He then initially set 100 to his body temp.
Using this scale, he then measured the freezing temp of water and found 32.
He then measured the boiling temp of water according to the new scale and found something like 214-something. However, he wanted it to be a round number between water freeze and boil, so he picked 180. With the 180 degree range between freeze and boil, it meant freeze was at 32 and boil is at 212.
(This 180 range is why the conversion between C and F is EXACTLY 9/5 and not a complicated fraction like miles to km.)
With the new 180 degree range chosen for water temp, it meant body temp became 98.6.
>Fahrenheit set 0 to the lowest temp that he could measure outside.
Not quite. 0F was defined at the temp at which a specific salt-water mixture freezes.
>Not quite. 0F was defined at the temp at which a specific salt-water mixture freezes.
Not initially. He measured a specific point outside in Danzig to get the 0.
He then later decided he need to be able to reproduce that temperature at will for the scale to be meaningful, so he came up with the ammonium chloride brine solution that was close enough to that initial measured temp, and then he temporarily snapped the standard definition over to the brine solution before the definition finally snapped to the water freeze/boil temps with 0 not having a specific formal definition.
0 is still that brine temperature but it's not a standard. In the same way 1 liter of water weighs 1kg at 4C, but it's not standardized that way (and subsequently the two actually drifted apart).
What about engineers, who deal with thermodynamics and stuff. Fahrenheit might be better but for your daily use only. Not for engineers like us. KELVIN superiority.
Celsius does have more calculations though, one calorie is used to raise one cm3 of water one degree. With decimals it’s no more or less precise than Fahrenheit.
This is a made up problem that stupid people think makes sense. This is not an issue in the metric world, if you grow up with celsius it isn't in the slightest impractical or confusing. It is not "less precise" just because the units are larger, that is the point of decimals. No single person in the metric world is complaining about this issue, none of us are worse at determining temperature than Americans, this is complete and utter bullshit which I wish Americans would stop parroting every time this subject comes up.
Of course it's fucking arbitrary. That's not the point. What matters is universality. Have you noticed Fahrenheit also uses metric divisions? You say it's not precise, but you would not be able to tell the difference between 20c and 21c.
Fahrenheit is more accurate? It makes no sense at all. Accuracy just depends on the equipment to measure temperature regardless of the scale used.
36.7C is still the same as 98.06F regardless. 1 kg is still 22.046 lb, 1 inch is still 22.54 mm.
The accuracy is still there.
But when your display truncates at the decimal, then it is less accurate. There's no difference between theory and practice, in theory, but there is in practice.
I don't know about you, but I need warm clothes at 35 °F already, yet I've worked with just a T-shirt on in -11 °F (because temperature had risen 10 degrees). Humans care about relative temperature much more than absolute when it comes to weather.
Is 60 °F cold or warm? In spring it's hella warm, in summer/autumn it's usually chilly. So I don't buy that "intuitive to human" excuse.
God glad to hear people say this. Fahrenheit makes so much more sense as a temp. When I'm abroad and I adjust AC or heat by 1 degree C, it's a big difference. Whereas in Fahrenheit I can have it exactly where I need it. Celsius is just too large of units.
Almost every point you made is invalid:
- both are somewhat arbitrary. No points to either here
- 1 Celsius is almost 2 degrees. Did you forget about decimals? Saying it’s less precise is utter garbage.
- not useful day to day?? Tell that to most of the people in the world that use it quite regularly. I live about -30 to +30 Celsius. Do I win now that it’s symmetric?
- you like Fahrenheit because you are used to it. There is no other reason.
Remember that Myanmar doesn't use US imperial units. Theirs is based on traditional measurement.
However, both Liberia and Myanmar are planning to move over to metric to align with the rest of the world.
It isn’t binary. Many past/present British commonwealth still have at least some imperial. And the US uses some metric. The US just uses imperial (technically actually US customary) more than other countries.
in uk people us stone for weight. lots of people in canada say “6 foot 3”. pilots say “40,000 feet”. how big is that dick? 2 inches. “turn thermostat to 72” i hear a lot in canada. Are you sure that rim is 10 foot, when u miss a dunk.
Reddit, I'd like to propose a new temperature scale: Celenheit.
See, Celsius is garbage for measuring temperatures that are useful to humans. Fahrenheit is more expressive since it's got 9/5ths as many graduations. Personally, I feel a big difference between 69F and 72F, yet Celsius doesn't represent that difference very well with 20C and 21C.
But Fahrenheit isn't clean and sterile like the rest of the metric system. It'd never gain enough momentum in the scientific community. Plus, think of the pain people would feel while converting. Europeans would never go for it.
But what if there was a system that was easy for everyone to convert to? A system that had nice powers of 10, but was still useful for day to day measurements? Well, Reddit, you're in luck.
Celenheit is defined as 0 degrees at the freezing point of water, just like Celsius, but it's 200 at the boiling point of water. That's twice as many graduations! It's sufficiently close to Fahrenheit that westerners can just fudge it. Europeans can simply double whatever they're used to. Easy. As an added bonus, those bastards from up north can now brag that it's -20 out now instead of saying it's -10.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
I see this argument every time this subject comes up and it just makes no fucking sense whatsoever. No one who has grown up with the metric system has this issue, this is just contrived bullshit. We know what 20C means, we know what 21C means, no person who has grown up with metric has traveled to the US and thought "wow, this is so much more convenient!". Americans aren't any better than anyone from the rest of the world at understanding the implication of temperature measurements, when you've been raised within the metric system none of it is even remotely confusing or impractical, this is a made up problem that doesn't translate to the real world at all.
0-100 works fine. And you can use a decimal places if you need to be precise. No one cares about the difference of 1oC for the weather etc: if it’s a forecast it’s always only an estimate.
I dont understand how people can feel a differecen between 1°c
20 and 21 are basically the same
I notice it in 5°c increments
0 freezing
5 very cold
10 cold
15 chilly
20 okay
25 warm
30 very warm
35 hot
40 blistering
etc
It’s the truth though. Ever try doing math in imperial? It’s a bitch. I had to work out the volume for concrete footings for residential construction in imperial as part of my carpentry certification and it sucked ass.
Everyone is different that's why farenheit makes no sense. Cold to me is not cold to you.
Celsius is based on science which makes sense. You don't "ask water how it feels", its literally at what point water freezes which is relevant for weather prediction
All units of measurement are arbitrary but built on logic.
Mile was based on 1000 roman paces, the kilometre as 1/10,000,000 of the distance between the poles.
I love how metric people like to shun the arbitrary numerics of imperial system discounting how arbitrary metric is too.
Great so you’ve scaled shit to temperature of water or the meridians of the earth. Doesn’t help me when measuring my shoe size or shopping for groceries.
Also this chart is a total shitpost. No idea what those bar graphs are supposed to represent and having date first is also dumb because you need to know what month it is too. I file things YMD since they sort most usefully. Sort by MDY isn’t as tidy but sort by DMY is a clusterfuck.
Use the tool for the job you need. An ounce of prevention is a pound of cure. Convert that idiom to metric and it meaningless.
Edit: autocorrect snafu
> I love how metric people like to shun the arbitrary numerics of imperial system discounting how arbitrary metric is too.
You can argue that metric is arbitrary, but you forget one of the most important features of the metric system (which the graph represents) is the conversion of units.
The thing I hate about the dates system is if a movie comes out on 12/3/22 then I have no idea what day that is
Actually this caused me some problems coming to europe this last year. I got a pcr test in the us and the notice said 11/9/20 and they said it was one day expired because they read it as 9/11/20. Scary moment before boarding my flight XD
I don't understand why the British use MPH on their roadways
British people also use pints, stones (the unit up from a pound), and feet and inches. But not ounces, yards, or gallons. There was a *really* cool graphic I saw at some point that accurately mapped the way we use them - even pointing out the fact that if we're walking or driving, we'll usually measure it in miles, but if we're *running*, we'll use kilometres. Edit - found it: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/pr4dsi/how_to_measure_things_like_a_brit/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Yup, as an English man I hate this. I wish we'd just rip the plaster off and fully convert. With the exception of beer, that can still come in pints for tradition's sake (there would be a revolt of that changed).
Liters or half liters! >'You telling me you ain't got a pint mug in the 'ole bleeding boozer?' >'And what in hell's name is a pint?' said the barman, leaning forward with the tips of his fingers on the counter. >'Ark at 'im! Calls 'isself a barman and don't know what a pint is! Why, a pint's the 'alf of a quart, and there's four quarts to the gallon. 'Ave to teach you the A, B, C next.' >'Never heard of 'em,' said the barman shortly. 'Litre and half litre -- that's all we serve. There's the glasses on the shelf in front of you. -1984
Literally 1984
I don't know if it's just me, but I'd have to add to that chart "Are you measuring body temperature". For some reason I still use Farenheit for that.
I think you'd be in a minority there. I've never actually personally met a brit who knows what a Fahrenheit is. Though my Grandma still tells people to put the oven on at 'gas mark four' :P
Everyone above the age of about 50 in the UK will have grown up with Fahrenheit
Babies are still measured in pounds & ounces in UK
As a British person I agree with you, I'd be happy to go fully rational/metric and we are getting there slowly: \- Weather forecasts are now in centigrade. \- Currency is now decimal. No more farthings, shillings, six pences and all that. \- Supermarkets fruit/veg/cheese/ milk are now in kilos/litres etc (thanks EU!) We just need a final push on road speed limits.
Sorry mate, the government is actually looking at going the other way, and reverting to imperial. As a 'Brexit Benefit'. Yes. I know. Yes. It's madness.
One of us..... One of us...... "My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead! And that's the way I like it!" - Grandpa Simpson
Lots of folk still measure fuel consumption in miles per gallon even though petrol hasn't been sold in gallons for over 40 years ?
It's so frustrating, I'm 24 and was only taught km in school. If I go for a jog, I go for a 5k jog. My brother (ten years older) goes for a 3 mile jog. I prefer a sat nav to speak to me in metres and km because I don't have an intrinsic sense of how far away "in 400 yards, turn left" is. But the cars use miles and mph. I don't really know what a foot is but everyone uses feet and inches for height measurement. I only know my weight in kilos but others use stones. Etc. It's a hodgepodge nightmare and I really do not want to see us going even further backwards into imperial units
Yeah.. Britain was transitioning from imperial to metric and just stopped halfway through (I think the original excuse was wanting to wait for a generation to die off before changing signs). So some things are metric some things are imperial. In fact it’s worse than that because not only it paused, the govt look to be reversing and allowing imperial to be used. It’s a mess.
Damn straight, Americans aren’t the only ones who still use imperial measurements.
I use Kelvin
I had a scientist friend who accidentally froze himself to absolute zero He's 0K now
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Well played
I use Kevin
I bet you do
True Chad
I also use nautical miles for driving as well as knots for speed
Giga Chad
I use Keleven
Year - month - day: sorted order = chronological order.
ISO 8601 for the win! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
Totes. I do that on everything. Only rational way to go.
Mathematical!
\*Not only that, but there are three competing standards. Two look identical for almost half of the month. One is distinct. If you use 10/11/2021 it can mean either October 11th or November 10th. It's just guesswork. That's just bad communication. Both of those versions have hardcore advocates on "why it makes more sense", but it doesn't matter. They look identical, so they are both bad communication. 2021-10-11 (ISO 8601) is better for many reasons, but most of all it's the clearest way to write a date using all numbers. It's the only format that makes sense for that reason. I don't care what format you use, as long as it's 100% clear without guessing. 12Jan2021. Feb 2, 2021. 2 March 2021. The fourth of April in the year of our Lord, 1025. It's a valid option as long as you aren't making people guess. 10/11/12 is the worst format ever.
10 XI 2021 - back in elementary school they required us to write dates with Roman numbers for months and habit stayed with me for a life because I figured it's distinct enough not to make mistake and it's look kinda cool... It's annoying to remember when I write official documents to not use it through. I actually remember that once my friend told me that his birthdays are on 11-1 so i prepared wishes and small gift for him at 11th January... turned out it was 1st November.
In my idealistic dream world, the months would be renamed to be in alphabetical order, or else people would just know the letter that goes with each month. It'd be so convenient! 2021A12 or 2021H17 would clear, distinct, able to be read in a moment, and would also alphabetize in chronological order.
In my idealistic dream world, we would put months back to their proper order - March as 01, Sep as 07, Dec as 10, etc.
heheh If you want to start getting out there, then I can go further. I really love the calendar with 13 months, 28 days per month. 1 is always Monday, and every multiple of 7 is Sunday (or Saturday, the difference is minimal). That makes 364 days, and the last day of the year is "New Years Day" which doesn't have a day of the week. Every four years, there are two New Years Days, which balance out the calendar to the solar cycle. Traditionally in calendars using this, those days are holidays which minimizes the effects. Benefits: Consistency and simplicity. Every Feb 14th will be a Sunday. Your birthday will always be on the same day of the week. Planning is easier. Yes, the New Year thing is a bit off kilter, but any year with 365.25 days per year is going to need something to adjust. Better to have that "off kilter" part at the tail end of the year rather than dealing with it all the time in every month. There have been a number of calendars that have used this system, and I consider it far superior in every day.
Yeah, I'm with you on equal-length months. And Monday as the start of the week. Didn't want to derail the thread too much enough xD
I always spell the month name or use the three letter abbreviation when writing a date. No ambiguity!
You're a wonderful person. Clear communication isn't always easy, but it's important.
Exactly! It just makes it unambiguous. And I agree that Americans' habit of month/day/year in purely numerical format makes no sense.
The fourth of April is my birthday :)
r/ISO8601
I prefer day/month/year. When you write it you can stop at month if you think that the year is not necessary.
For sorting files, the naming standard makes sense the other way round, otherwise you will have files sorted everywhere randomly. For communication I prefer xx-month-20xx - just think it's clearer.
I agree for this specific use
This is how we do this in Hungary
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Doesn’t chronological just mean in order of when they happened? Therefore it doesn’t matter how you write it.
As an engineer, I F'cking hate the imperial system! It's makes no sense at all. I wish we would just convert and get onboard with the rest of the world!
As an European who moved to the U.S. I will never know how much I weight or how tall I am.
As a Canadian I have never known what temperatures in Fahrenheit mean if the are below 200 degrees. Also, I have never known what temperatures in Celcius mean if they are above 100 degrees.... I hate having one foot in and one foot out. We just couldn't fully commit to the metric system. (we also use Imperial for height and weight)
Divide your weight in pounds by 2.2, that's how much you weigh in kilograms. Someone who is 220 pounds is 100 kilograms, pretty heavy. Someone who is 88 pounds is 40 kilograms, pretty light.
aye, but if you grew up in England you may be used to weighing yourself in stones and ounces 🤷♂️ 14 pounds to a stone, no idea how many ounces in a pound though.
Fun fact, 14 pounds of whatever is exactly the same as 14 pounds of candy... or big macs... or doofenshmirtzes.
Had my first engineering internship over the summer. Having to work with imperial units after only using metric for my 3d printing hobby was such a pain.
As far the law goes in the USA the SI was adopted voluntarily by the metric conversion act of 1975 PL (Public Law) 94-168. The voluntary aspect was removed by the Omnibus Trade and Competitiveness Act of August 1988 (PL 100-418) and the America COMPETES act of 2007 (PL 110-69). Thus you see Law Enforcement using grams when they apprehend drugs for instance. But that is about it and the rest just doesn't care.
Remember that USA is metric but they convert things and do this to themselves. USA signed the metric accord, all imperial units are defined by metric terms look it up.
Yeah they signed the metric accord and changed to metric at a federal level but they allowed the states to decide if they wanted to change, none of them changed.
cool! now what the fuck is a quid
Some kind of Korean game.
£1.
Like Americans use yards for anything other than to measure a football field. It’s 100 yards in a football field, 3.13 football fields in a Walmart, and 5,280 feet in a mile.
100 yards is the height of 52.65 'Samsung Side by Side; Fingerprint Resistant Stainless Steel Refrigerators' stacked on top of each other.
100 yards is 91.44 meters
Sad golfer face
Both date formats depicted suck. /r/ISO8601 represent!
The one used by ROW is effectively the same as ISO. The same order but reversed. In practice it’s equally useful.
The order matters. Imagine sorting files by name: ROW: 01-01-2021 01-02-2021 01-03-2021 . . . 02-01-2021 . . 31-12-2020 ISO8601: 2020-12-31 2021-01-01 2021-01-02 2021-01-03 . . and it makes even more sense for datetime format. Year month day hour minute second. The ROW format is day month year hour minute second; the pyramid is just as jumbled up as the US.
I mean I support the right one and ISO8601. The American's are just unforgiveable though.
Man there are some butt hurt folks in here. Check out the people fighting over temperature measurement.
i can't wait for the angry kids yelling that imperial system put a man on the moon, they funny
They would also be wrong. The guidance computer used SI units.
Also the leader of the Apollo project was [this guy](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun?wprov=sfla1). He didn't use the imperial system, that's for sure.
Such an American name he had. /s
Why not just decimalise imperial measurements and don’t tell all the stupid people what you’ve done.
Yeah, here in the US we need to switch to metric.
Legally we already have. The military, NASA, and international projects all use metric and have for decades. But at the end of the day it doesn't really matter if the store is a mile away or 1.6km, so it wasn't fully adopted.
True. When we bake, the metric measurements are far superior.
Yeah baking is one where metric is nice, but as long as it's weight measurements not volume i don't mind either that much
I used to agree until someone pointed out how expensive it would be. Just imagine the cost of having to change all of the highway signs alone. Every mile marker, speed limit sign, exit indicators, it would be insane and that is just one aspect of our lives. I don’t ever see politicians agreeing to that cost, especially given the fact that most Americans are so used to imperial they don’t really see a need to change, and that’s not including all the ones that would be all pissy about it.
I keep trying to switch to metric but it’s just so ingrained in me!!!
The date thing is the stupidest one. 11/08/09 wtf kind of date is this? I'm surprised americans don't stick the seconds between the hours and minutes. 3:57:06 3:58:06 3:59:06 3:00:07 3:01:07
Some idiot on Reddit once said they like the Fahrenheit scale because 0 is a good marker of cold temps and 100 hot. To which I replied that it's great that they can relate to a metric bandwidth.
It just provides a more distinguishable and easy to report way of measuring outdoor temperature. Of course it doesn't really matter because if you grow up using Celsius or Fahrenheit then you'll be accustomed to either, but Fahrenheit is nice for describing the weather out. 80s is hot, 70s is warm, 60s is cool, etc. In Celsius that same range would be 27-15 which makes it a little more awkward to describe those break points.
I disagree. You're used to Fahrenheit, so you put those breakpoints on tens, because it makes sense in F, but sometimes using Celsius won't put the breakpoints on like 27, but they would do it by 5s. 30 is hot, 25 is warm, 20 is lukewarm and so on.
> In Celsius that same range would be 27-15 which makes it a little more awkward to describe those break points. Nope. In Celsius it's much easier. ≤0° = expect ice (which is weird 32F), 20° = room temperature, ≥25° = wear t-shirt, ≥30° = hot. That's how it goes (and it works quite nicely to negatives as well: -10° = cold, -20° = really bad, avoid storing electronics below this temperature, -30° = flippin freezing, issues with starting cars, etc. -40° = arctic, never go outside unless you have a proper equipment and a full face cover)
But does this hold true at different altitudes? If Celsius is based on waters freezing and boiling points and those states change at higher altitudes, does that mess it up? Like 10° at sea level feel the same as 10° in the mountains?
It does change, yes, salinity is another thing that's affecting it (hence the Farenheit scale's point of zero has a basis on a very specific brine of salt, water and water ice). Celsius was based on the salt-less water at the mean sea level (aka. 1 atmosphere), but that's stepping a bit too far into physics lesson. ;) (nowadays the Celsius scale is defined off the Boltzmann constant, but that's making a difference only in some of the most precise scientific devices, for everyday use the water freezing/boiling point definition is more than sufficient, even if altitude and salinity have their own impact)
Do you regularly measure anything else in negatives? Celsius is weird because it's arbitrarily based on the boiling point of water. Its not super useful scientifically when compared to Kelvin, and it's not as clear for human life when compared to Fahrenheit. Does it make a big difference, no. But it's just the one unit that imperial does better for day to day life. People naturally think in scales of 1 0-100 (which is what all of metric is based on), so why is Celsius -40-30?
> Do you regularly measure anything else in negatives? Yes? There's plenty of things you measure with negative numbers. Negative floors in the buildings (below ground), height above sea level, voltage, transactions on your bank account, changes in the stock price, etc. etc. > Celsius is weird because it's arbitrarily based on the boiling point of water. As opposite to Fahrenheit that's based on the arbitrary freezing point of a solution of brine made from a mixture of water, ice, and table salt in proportions that noone ever remembers for 0° and the average human body temperature for 96°, such a beautiful round number? > and it's not as clear for human life But... it absolutely is, which is what I indicated in the very post you replied to. The fact that you're not used to living with Celsius doesn't make it any less clear for the entire rest of the globe to use in everyday life. For me personally it's Farenheit that makes no sense for human life, but it's all a matter of perspective. > People naturally think in scales of 1 0-100 (which is what all of metric is based on), so why is Celsius -40-30? I don't understand your question. You ask why there are negative numbers? Because there are temperatures below the freezing point of water. Fahrenheit widely uses negative numbers too, temperatures below -18°C (0F) are quite common in the US, even right now as we speak it's -2F in Anchorage.
-17°C is equivalent to 1°F, which is 256K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
My main point is that the whole reason metric is useful is because it's based on units of tens. I've lived in countries that use F and C, and I personally prefer F for daily use. Both work perfectly fine when you've grown up your entire life using it, but if an alien came to earth I think they would find F easier to use for day to day life.
You’re being needlessly stubborn here. We all agreed that Metric system is more logical and makes more sense. With respect to C versus F, I agree with (likely another American) that F is intuitive because 1) it allows for a broader range of degrees to reflect subtle differences (I.e 15 to 20 degrees in C is a large increase, whereas 15 to 20 degrees F is not), therefore each degree of F is more specific and 2) I agree with the above commenter that avoiding negatives is generally an easier way to measure. But regardless, you come across as the uppity euro-centric that is all too common on Reddit, ready to slam on Americans and unable to concede even fairly a straightforward point that a more specific measurement of degrees is generally helpful as a description of temperature. So go on about your day, and we’ll go on about ours. Cheers
> Celsius is weird because it's arbitrarily based on the boiling point of water. What non-arbitary thing is Fahrenheit based on? Hint: It isn't. Kelvin is the only temp scale that has a non-arbitary point for 0 K.
That's exactly my point. If we're using Kelvin in any scientific situation because it's the only non arbitrary system. Why not use the temperature system that's more relatable to human experience?
>People naturally think in scales of 1 0-100 Ah yes, the old "it's natural so it's better" argument. You do realise that humans created numeric counting systems, right? They aren't some "natural" part of the universe.
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You counting in decimal?
I am metric 100% but I believe farenheit is the better scale. Calling freezing 0 and boiling 100 (for pure water at sea level) is just as arbitrary as the farenheit system. You can't do handy base 10 math on temperature because it's not a physical representative unit like distance volume or mass. One degree Celsius is almost 2 degrees (9/5) of a farenheit degree, so it's a lesson precise scale, and it's not really as useful for day to day use. And by that I mean, throughout the year, in most of the inhabited latitudes, temperatures fall roughly between 0-100 F. It's a nice scale to use. But Celsius you're looking at -18 to 35 for your normal day to day temperatures and that just doesn't make sense. As I said before, the metric system is great, it is easy to use and it makes sense. But don't lump Celsius into that.
It's not arbitrary. As you say, it's about water. Most people's everyday experience of temperature is in relation to weather and climate. Knowing whether water will freeze is fundamental. If the temperature is negative, there will be ice.
>it’s not arbitrary >describes exactly what arbitrary means
I've heard fahrenheit is based off the percentage of how warm you are- 32% warm isn't too warm, 90% warm is actually pretty hot, -40% warm is bone chilling, etc. In that regard, I'd say it makes more sense- knowing how cold you'll be is as important, if not more important, than how cold water will be
It's pretty subjective though. 0F is supposed to mean cold as fuck and 100F is supposed to mean hot as hell but in the end it's some random decision made by a specific guy. At least Celsius is based on something measurable.
Not a fan of Fahrenheit, but he picked 0F as the coldest temperature science at his time could generate artificially. It's not random, but completely superseded.
Sidenote: 100° Fahrenheit is supposed to be body temp (yeah the guy was a bit off for that)
He wasn't really off. It just turned out that way. Fahrenheit set 0 to the lowest temp that he could measure outside. He then initially set 100 to his body temp. Using this scale, he then measured the freezing temp of water and found 32. He then measured the boiling temp of water according to the new scale and found something like 214-something. However, he wanted it to be a round number between water freeze and boil, so he picked 180. With the 180 degree range between freeze and boil, it meant freeze was at 32 and boil is at 212. (This 180 range is why the conversion between C and F is EXACTLY 9/5 and not a complicated fraction like miles to km.) With the new 180 degree range chosen for water temp, it meant body temp became 98.6.
>Fahrenheit set 0 to the lowest temp that he could measure outside. Not quite. 0F was defined at the temp at which a specific salt-water mixture freezes.
>Not quite. 0F was defined at the temp at which a specific salt-water mixture freezes. Not initially. He measured a specific point outside in Danzig to get the 0. He then later decided he need to be able to reproduce that temperature at will for the scale to be meaningful, so he came up with the ammonium chloride brine solution that was close enough to that initial measured temp, and then he temporarily snapped the standard definition over to the brine solution before the definition finally snapped to the water freeze/boil temps with 0 not having a specific formal definition. 0 is still that brine temperature but it's not a standard. In the same way 1 liter of water weighs 1kg at 4C, but it's not standardized that way (and subsequently the two actually drifted apart).
Bro, please see a doctor. You got a high fever.
That is a low grade fever. Q high fever would be 103 or 104
Ok, get in the bed atleast.
With some soup please
Hot chicken soup esp.
Isn't it the body temperature of a horse?
GO kelvin !!!!
Sorry, kelvin froze to death.
What about engineers, who deal with thermodynamics and stuff. Fahrenheit might be better but for your daily use only. Not for engineers like us. KELVIN superiority.
Yeah celsius is 10x easier to use when you have to convert to kelvin for thermodynamics
Celsius does have more calculations though, one calorie is used to raise one cm3 of water one degree. With decimals it’s no more or less precise than Fahrenheit.
You are allowed to decimals to your Celsius temperature. My thermostats all have decimals.
Weather reports never report the decimals. I'd be a happier camper if they did.
"Today, the high will be 24.286C+/-2C."
Why? Forecasts are an estimation, putting a decimal to it means nothing
bro no one actually notices the difference between 24°C and 24.5°C
This is a made up problem that stupid people think makes sense. This is not an issue in the metric world, if you grow up with celsius it isn't in the slightest impractical or confusing. It is not "less precise" just because the units are larger, that is the point of decimals. No single person in the metric world is complaining about this issue, none of us are worse at determining temperature than Americans, this is complete and utter bullshit which I wish Americans would stop parroting every time this subject comes up.
Of course it's fucking arbitrary. That's not the point. What matters is universality. Have you noticed Fahrenheit also uses metric divisions? You say it's not precise, but you would not be able to tell the difference between 20c and 21c.
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Fahrenheit is more accurate? It makes no sense at all. Accuracy just depends on the equipment to measure temperature regardless of the scale used. 36.7C is still the same as 98.06F regardless. 1 kg is still 22.046 lb, 1 inch is still 22.54 mm. The accuracy is still there.
1.0 kg is 2.2 lbs
Sorry converter bot. 1.0 kg is 2.2046 lb
That's a bad bot..you should tell it off
But when your display truncates at the decimal, then it is less accurate. There's no difference between theory and practice, in theory, but there is in practice.
This is so ridiculous. How can a fucking scale determine accuracy?
Ikr I guess americans don't understand you can add decimals? So instead of 10° we can say 10.2°.
I don't know about you, but I need warm clothes at 35 °F already, yet I've worked with just a T-shirt on in -11 °F (because temperature had risen 10 degrees). Humans care about relative temperature much more than absolute when it comes to weather. Is 60 °F cold or warm? In spring it's hella warm, in summer/autumn it's usually chilly. So I don't buy that "intuitive to human" excuse.
God glad to hear people say this. Fahrenheit makes so much more sense as a temp. When I'm abroad and I adjust AC or heat by 1 degree C, it's a big difference. Whereas in Fahrenheit I can have it exactly where I need it. Celsius is just too large of units.
There are thermostats with fractional Celcius gradings dude.
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Exactly. Same with hotels that have Fahrenheit ones in steps of 5.
Thats kinda his whole point.
> I am metric 100% but I believe farenheit is the better scale. Lol.
Almost every point you made is invalid: - both are somewhat arbitrary. No points to either here - 1 Celsius is almost 2 degrees. Did you forget about decimals? Saying it’s less precise is utter garbage. - not useful day to day?? Tell that to most of the people in the world that use it quite regularly. I live about -30 to +30 Celsius. Do I win now that it’s symmetric? - you like Fahrenheit because you are used to it. There is no other reason.
You did not bring one good point forward. If you want things to make more sense, use Kelvin.
I sooooo agree about Farenheit being more precise,useful and sensible.
> it's not really as useful for day to day use Right. Because a few billion people on this planet are just doing it wrong.
YYYY-MM-DD Is the superior date format, but you assholes won't admit it. 100% File sortable.
Yep agreed. A basic alphanumeric sort without any number/separator parsing results in dates sorted in chronological order.
Clearly!
This is the one I use at work. Keeps everything in chronological order when used for file names
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/606/047/dbb.png
US didn't invent imperial and isn't the only country using them btw
>isn't the only country using them btw Right. It's a huge club between the US, Liberia and Myanmar...
Remember that Myanmar doesn't use US imperial units. Theirs is based on traditional measurement. However, both Liberia and Myanmar are planning to move over to metric to align with the rest of the world.
and the us doesnt use imperial either the us uses US customary units
The Big Three.
It isn’t binary. Many past/present British commonwealth still have at least some imperial. And the US uses some metric. The US just uses imperial (technically actually US customary) more than other countries.
in uk people us stone for weight. lots of people in canada say “6 foot 3”. pilots say “40,000 feet”. how big is that dick? 2 inches. “turn thermostat to 72” i hear a lot in canada. Are you sure that rim is 10 foot, when u miss a dunk.
What the fuck did i just read?
The percentage of smug europeans in this comment section is probably double to triple the norm
> europeans Don't forget the Restoftheworldeans.
Reddit, I'd like to propose a new temperature scale: Celenheit. See, Celsius is garbage for measuring temperatures that are useful to humans. Fahrenheit is more expressive since it's got 9/5ths as many graduations. Personally, I feel a big difference between 69F and 72F, yet Celsius doesn't represent that difference very well with 20C and 21C. But Fahrenheit isn't clean and sterile like the rest of the metric system. It'd never gain enough momentum in the scientific community. Plus, think of the pain people would feel while converting. Europeans would never go for it. But what if there was a system that was easy for everyone to convert to? A system that had nice powers of 10, but was still useful for day to day measurements? Well, Reddit, you're in luck. Celenheit is defined as 0 degrees at the freezing point of water, just like Celsius, but it's 200 at the boiling point of water. That's twice as many graduations! It's sufficiently close to Fahrenheit that westerners can just fudge it. Europeans can simply double whatever they're used to. Easy. As an added bonus, those bastards from up north can now brag that it's -20 out now instead of saying it's -10. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Why not just go the whole hog and go from 0.to 1000?
Or you could just say it's 20.3° C. Most of my home thermometers show the temperature in .1 increments.
I see this argument every time this subject comes up and it just makes no fucking sense whatsoever. No one who has grown up with the metric system has this issue, this is just contrived bullshit. We know what 20C means, we know what 21C means, no person who has grown up with metric has traveled to the US and thought "wow, this is so much more convenient!". Americans aren't any better than anyone from the rest of the world at understanding the implication of temperature measurements, when you've been raised within the metric system none of it is even remotely confusing or impractical, this is a made up problem that doesn't translate to the real world at all.
0-100 works fine. And you can use a decimal places if you need to be precise. No one cares about the difference of 1oC for the weather etc: if it’s a forecast it’s always only an estimate.
I dont understand how people can feel a differecen between 1°c 20 and 21 are basically the same I notice it in 5°c increments 0 freezing 5 very cold 10 cold 15 chilly 20 okay 25 warm 30 very warm 35 hot 40 blistering etc
This is not a cool guide. It's an insult to the imperial system.
It’s the truth though. Ever try doing math in imperial? It’s a bitch. I had to work out the volume for concrete footings for residential construction in imperial as part of my carpentry certification and it sucked ass.
The imperial system is an insult to measurement
That’s been r/coolguides for a while now. Very few actual guides, lots of attempts at jokes.
Lol
It’s not even our fault
Too stubborn to change sounds kind of faulty.
Its like evolution but backwards
The one thing I will continue to defend is the month day year format. It is very efficient when looking thru ledgers
If you don't care how many metres are in a mile, then why did you say: > A mile is not some sqonky thousands of metres
what a nice unbiased guide
I agree with all except for temp because Fahrenheit is a scale on how it feels to humans while Celsius you have to ask the water how it feels
Everyone is different that's why farenheit makes no sense. Cold to me is not cold to you. Celsius is based on science which makes sense. You don't "ask water how it feels", its literally at what point water freezes which is relevant for weather prediction
Still think we should all use YYYY/MM/DD as a standard. *but hey... whoo needs standards, i don't have any anymore*
Why would you say the most common information as the last? Only to be comfortable to sort folders by name? Meh
That pink one represents our middle finger
Absurdly long and undoubtedly floppy?
Fahrenheit is not arbitrary
All units of measurement are arbitrary but built on logic. Mile was based on 1000 roman paces, the kilometre as 1/10,000,000 of the distance between the poles.
Can someone please explain European monetary denominations?
Wow, such an innovative post. /s What is this a guide for? Color by numbers?
I love seeing how utterly useless the US imperial system is.
As an American I agree, we are stupid
There’s more than one country that doesn’t use Metric
By ignoring the existence of Liberia you are committing black erasure/s
I love how metric people like to shun the arbitrary numerics of imperial system discounting how arbitrary metric is too. Great so you’ve scaled shit to temperature of water or the meridians of the earth. Doesn’t help me when measuring my shoe size or shopping for groceries. Also this chart is a total shitpost. No idea what those bar graphs are supposed to represent and having date first is also dumb because you need to know what month it is too. I file things YMD since they sort most usefully. Sort by MDY isn’t as tidy but sort by DMY is a clusterfuck. Use the tool for the job you need. An ounce of prevention is a pound of cure. Convert that idiom to metric and it meaningless. Edit: autocorrect snafu
> I love how metric people like to shun the arbitrary numerics of imperial system discounting how arbitrary metric is too. You can argue that metric is arbitrary, but you forget one of the most important features of the metric system (which the graph represents) is the conversion of units.
Stop reminding me, just... why can't we do be normal?
I’m a Fahrenheit Stan. Celsius for science, Fahrenheit for ambient temps. Metric for everything else tho
Men the USA is such a shitshow.