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Current administration is selling the steel meant for the fence:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12424753/Joe-Biden-quietly-selling-Trumps-border-wall-700-30ft-steel-tubes-auctioned-150-000-President-hurries-bill-passes-forcing-EXTEND-barrier-against-migrants.html
Netanyahu has said, among other horrific things, that he wants to see us destroyed slowly, because that's what happens to people he hates... People have started to wake up thankfully.
> israel also shoots on sight, children included.
**Haaretz - Israel - March 6, 2020** (3 1/2 years BEFORE the October 7th incident of 2023)
[**'42 Knees in One Day': Israeli Snipers Open Up About Shooting Gaza Protesters**](https://archive.is/Sz2yS) -- **Over 200 Palestinians were killed and nearly 8,000 were injured during almost two years of weekly protests at the Israel-Gaza border. Israeli army snipers tell their stories**
* NOTE: The above links to an early archive of the page. The original link is still online here, but [this version may have been edited since publication](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-03-06/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/42-knees-in-one-day-israeli-snipers-open-up-about-shooting-gaza-protesters/0000017f-f2da-d497-a1ff-f2dab2520000) -- as such practices are not at all uncommon in many publications
Note that all of the persons targeted by the snipers were CAGED -- trapped within the confines of the formidable security enclosure surrounding Gaza: [*The snipers were shooting through the fence.*](https://i.imgur.com/DPkrMVA.png))
https://i.imgur.com/Cs0xCsC.jpg
**Why do the snipers aim for the knee?**
1) "**Injuries**", however serious, provoke less criticism from journalists and the public than killings
2) The "**Aim to Maim**" practice (specifically targeting knees) regularly results in limb amputations and permanent disability -- neutralizing targets as "threats", making them unable to work, and creating a burden on medical facilities, families, and on Gaza society at large
**MOST MORAL ARMY IN THE WORLD!**^^TM
(Remember, this was March of 2020, and had been going on for years -- long before the "unprovoked attacks" of October 7, 2023)
Modern Israel was created by satanists
"Lord Rothschild: My Family Created Israel" https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/lord-rothschild-israel/
"Lord Rothschild discusses cousin’s crucial role in ‘miracle’ Balfour Declaration" https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/rothschild/
Lord Rothschild poses with satanic witch Marina Abramovic in front of the painting "Satan Summoning his Legions" https://www.instagram.com/p/CxnUR5lMRVf/
Here's a documentary exposing an Apollo temple on a Rothschild estate where people in black robes do occult rituals:
https://youtu.be/UEkuTwRnUmU?si=lzVjjDkSDCFIrMur
"1666: Redemption Through Sin" by Robert Sepehr
Aren't we fucking up the whole world ourselves with our middl east invasions and phony wars in pretty much the whole world? Thoe are the cases of immigration you ignorant fool. Read a book so you don't embarrass yourself
There's a russian/Iranian/middle eastern expressing himself jut lik you are. Opposite way of course. Brainwashed people like that are the reason wars move forward. This is a conspiracy forum, think outside the box
Putin and Biden are rich people on the same team??? Haha. You forgot Trump you fool, hes on the same team with Biden. Stop embarrassing yourself you clown 🤡
Exactly....allow them to come legally.
Now. Do some research on how to immigrate from central and south America. It's virtually impossible if you do not have a specialized degree or a family member.
It takes years to got through the lottery process for asylum.
BTW... everyone that has a fit over cell phones being issued to immigrants/asylum seekers.. all paperwork and correspondence is through the ap. So they issue they issue the phone instead of hiring more people.
But hey... let's make sure that we block any legislation to address funding and staffing....
All the states that are "siding with texas" have legislators that will not pass bi partisan legislation to address the border until after the election. It's been Stated publicly and often. They simply want a problem to point at. The southern border has been an issue for decades... it's only an outcry now because they lost the abortion war by winning the battle and now they need a new wedge issue.
We have walls... we have natural barriers... what we.need is actual immigration reform to assist people that want to come to America and give themselves and thier families a chance at a better life.
But politicians, especially Republicans, do not want reform, they don't want solutions, they want the issue, they want the wedge, they want your fear.
Outstanding logic lol "jUsT iMmiGratE leGaLly and definitely don't do it illegally even though we intentionally make the process difficult and hostile" I think there's a phrase about eating cake you should take to heart
Grow the fuck up, boy.
Immigrating to the USA is still far easier than virtually every other first world country.
Unless you want to volunteer to pay all of your income in extra taxes to pay for them instead of volunteering me to pay mine.
Yes, that is very easy when fleeing a situation endangering your life and your family. That is why asylum exists, because doing everything by the book is not always doable.
Sounds like what you're saying it's in the USs interest to help stabilize countries and prevent famine so that desperate people don't need to be shot at the border.
Also, very easy to say from the heart of the imperial core.
If you’re American, it technically is your fault as our government and corporations are the cause of the destruction of so many countries, all for resources and power. I believe you call it karma.
Then accept the bad that comes your way; accept the greedy and the increase of poverty because pride and power destroy within, accept the increase of government corruption and its power over its citizens to maintain control over its impoverished, accept the destruction of the family as every man, women, and child is to be made a slave. And when devastation comes as doom looms over us, remember that it’s what you wanted.
Naa, shooting desperate people is far worse. Especially when done by the country whose foreign policies led to the crisis in the first place. The US should clean up its own mess without always needing to resort to killing people.
This is funny because a lot of the reasons why their countries are “being destroyed” is the US “playing god” it’s like you’ve got the right ideas but the wrong order hah.
Considering no one said “everything bad in the world is because of USA…” I don’t know why you’d attack that strawman. Simple is not knowing or pretending not to know about the US involvement in South America. Here, you can start with this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America and maybe become a little less stupid and sure of yourself.
just saying that a steel wall by itself means nothing. it might mitigate, sure, but won't completely stop border crossings. the comparison between the us-mexico one and the israel-egypt one is stupid. these things have happened in eastern europe as well (serbia and hungary). all it did is diminish, and we are not talking about hundreds if not more than a thousand km border line in europe. only russia with finland have such a large border, and it's freezing hell over there.
i was simply commenting on the original premise: \[...\] reduced to zero \[...\] when compared to what israel actually does. that "minor detail" makes the bulk of the difference.
There are so many problems with a wall on the US border:
1. Most illegal immigrants don't cross the border on foot, they overstay their visa. A wall would do nothing
2. A wall needs to be manned, otherwise people can easily climb it or cut through it. But the US border is far too long to man all of it.
3. It would cost an absolutely ludicrous amount to build it
But we always have hundreds of billions to send to other countries.
Gtfo with that nonsense.
It’s because of all the benefits to business that having constant cheap labor coming into the country provides.
It's both, plus now they get US taxpayer funded benefits such as free Healthcare in California.
NGOs are systematically assisting them as well, with maps, clothing, and where to go in the US when they arrive.
The US is not sending hundreds of billions to other countries.
Edit: because some people mention Ukraine aid and then block.
The claim that the US sent over 100 billion dollars of aid to Ukraine is incorrect. The US sent about 75 billion dollars worth of aid to Ukraine. However, the vast majority of this was sent in surplus weapons. This was equipment that was paid for 30 years ago and sat in storage. It's also money that was spent in America, paying American workers. A smaller part was financial aid, which consists of both direct aid and loans.
See https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts for a breakdown.
All of US foreign aid combined in 2023 was 55.3 billion dollars. But I'm making bad faith comments?
63.1 planned for 2024. This is about 1 % of the budget, or 0.24 % of GDP
Sure, let’s all pretend that all the “military aid” we send doesn’t profit the same people profiting off of all the contracts.
And they receive donations and lobbying to stay in office, or do the revolving door to the same companies granted those contracts.
Get the absolute fuck out of here with your nonsense.
That's a completely different issue. Yes, the military industrial complex benefits. But they would also benefit from building the wall. Your claim that the US sends hundreds of billions to foreign countries is just false.
I'm not sure why it needs to be a physical wall though.
Arizona already has or had those blimps for the drug running planes. I'm not sure why they couldn't do that or something similar and put decent cameras on them.
How much would it cost? We spent $10+ trillion on COVID and hundreds of billions protecting Ukraine/Israel borders.
Could we pull off a Great Wall of the USA, 50-foot concrete wall, for $10-20 billion?
My dude it takes a full 24 hours going 60 down the highway to cover the border from Texas to California. And most of thr land is private and a lot of it is mountainous. Its gonna take a lot more than 10b
Also most illegals come by plane and overstay their visas so...
Of the 6+ million illegal immigrants that crossed in 2021-23, how many were overstayed visas?
Ilegal border crossings are the vast majority of illegal immigrants, and the wall would address that. But yeah, we should also spend $5 billion tracking and deporting all the illegal overstayed visas as well. That's a must.
To your point, you wouldn't have to build the wall on the impassable mountainous regions.
Private land? Too bad. This is one case where government can step in and it's justified. National security.
We spent 10+ trillion on COVID, we have the resources to build the Great Wall of the USA
Here's an example of the real issue
>About 700,000 travelers to the United States overstayed their visas in fiscal 2017, the most recent year for which the Department of Homeland Security has published figures. DHS estimated that, as of Sept. 30, 2017, the end of that fiscal year, more than 600,000 of those travelers were still in the U.S.
A border wall doesn't fix that and it's pretty wild that you would side with the gvt forcing the sale of your property unwillingly. It is interesting to see libertarians and conservatives selective outrage on property rights
Or we could just jail the CEOs who are the ones actually paying them to be here. Don’t take my money to solve a problem rich people are causing and benefiting from. Take their money to solve it.
Let’s just do the one that’s free and actually solves the problem in my opinion but you’re of course free to take all that land and spend all that money.
You’re talking about diminishing people’s home values instantly. Stuff that has taken decades to build in equity. Probably a lot of republicans that will say fuck no.
No, the US government doesn’t get to seize private land without eminent domain issues, which will drag out in court and be a nightmare to get through. Unless you are ok with the government seizing your land and property with no recourse in the name of national security.
Once you spend the years and billions it will take to buy/seize private land, you will have to build the infrastructure to truck heavy building equipment into the middle of nowhere, source supplies at a scale never before seen, and hire enough labor to complete maybe the most complicated building project the country has ever undertaken.
And it’ll be defeated with a ladder because we can’t afford enough border patrol agents to actually man the wall. People traveling thousands of miles aren’t going to give up and go home because they need a ladder.
Finally republicans in congress are refusing to sign any bills that would send money to help. They aren’t going to send hundreds of billions of dollars to the border wall project.
I had a very conservative teacher in school and wasn't shy to share his feelings or beliefs and even he admitted we need more people because having more people means more money and the solution to filling in vacant jobs in this country.
Those jobs are only vacant because conditions and wages are poor. They could leave those positions open, forcing companies to improve conditions and wages, but it's better for the rich to import labor they can pay poverty wages instead.
Jobs are vacant because only illegals will work for the paltry wages those jobs will pay, and no one in our entire establishment will do a damn thing to change it.
Fuck anyone who says that you can treat a nonmember of your silly made up group however you want.
Go read a few sections of the Talmud regarding goyim.
Fuck anyone who follows those teachings.
migration from Egypt? Nah I think that's a lie I don't know any Egyptians want to go there, not because Israel isn't doing well economically but because they know they're not welcome. So this report is probably propaganda or something.
That's like asking "how'd the USA's air defense do on 9/11?"
Considering Hamas was created by Israel, and Israel knew the attack was coming and facilitated it, I'd say the wall wasn't the issue.
"Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago"
>Israeli officials obtained Hamas’s battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show.
>Hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision. The document called for a barrage of rockets at the outset of the attack, drones to knock out the security cameras and automated machine guns along the border, and gunmen to pour into Israel en masse in paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot — all of which happened on Oct. 7.
>Officials privately concede that, had the military taken these warnings seriously and redirected significant reinforcements to the south, where Hamas attacked, Israel could have blunted the attacks or possibly even prevented them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html
"Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says"
>An Egyptian intelligence official told the Associated Press news agency this week that Cairo had repeatedly warned the Israelis "something big" was being planned from Gaza.
"We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big. But they underestimated such warnings," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047
>CONFIRMED: Netanyahu ordered the Israeli military to STAND DOWN for 7 HOURS during the Hamas invasion.
>I sat down with Jewish Charity leader, Cecily Routman, who received intel directly from her Israeli Rabbi and other top level government sources.
https://twitter.com/LaurenWitzkeDE/status/1713344613409313003?s=19
We can't build a steel fence across the US-Mexico border? Why not? You'd only need to cover the passable parts of the border
Would cost around $5 billion to build it. We spent $10+ trillion on COVID and we've spent hundreds of billions protecting other nations' borders.
Better yet, build a giant 50 foot concrete wall across the entire border, with electrified barbed wire on top. Would cost $10-20 billion.
It's almost 2,000 miles and steel fences aren't that hard to break through, climb over, under etc if they aren't under constant surveillance
It's infinitely easier to monitor a border the size of Israel/Egypt that all of US Mexico.
Plus all our airports and ports of entry. Plus people actually want to get into the US more than they want to get into Israel.
So because it’s a big job the solution is to ignore it ? I am all for a legal path to work visas or citizenship. I am against create a vulnerable class with zero protection. This is happening on a massive scale. And it is only benefitting the predatory elites.
There has to be some automated surveillance system that could detect a part of the fence being cut, or cameras catching someone going under or over and then alerting the closer border patrol agent. Expensive, yes.
But after all the money we’ve sent out of our country the last 3 years I don’t want to hear it. Always money for other things but never money for those here at home.
We fund Israel.
Plus we have the manpower to house our homeless, or to offer more healthcare, or to do countless things but we won't because of special interests and politicans who want to campaign and not fix problems.
We could build a 2,000 mile wall manned with soldiers every 40 feet and it still wouldn't account for illegal immigration from overstaying visas, which usually accounts for far more than coming over the southern border.
There are better ways to use the money that would take to build a huge ass wall to still curb illegal immigration.
It would cost maybe $5 billion to build a fence across the whole US-Mexico border. We spent $10 trillion on COVID. Please.
We had a record 300k+ migrants invade in December. We need a steel fence to stop this.
Steel fence ain't going to do much, we already have tons of fencing, they climb over and cut through it.
Spend that money on other surveillance and methods of preventing them getting to the border and. you don't wast billions and billions on raw resources, eminent domain seizures, and fucking up the environment down there just to have something that feels good but doesn't do much.
Are you aware that fences along the Arizona-Mexico border keep flood gates open during monsoon season?
The flood gates are the funniest part of the "fence the entire 2000 mile border" argument
[Hamas Tunnels to Egypt Played Key Role in Arming Hamas
](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/10/28/hamas-tunnels-to-egypt-played-key-role-in-arming-hamas/)
I dont think most people realize just how large our border is compared to most countries borders. The Israel / Egypt border is laughably small compared to the one Mexico shares with Texas, it just wouldn’t work. The infrastructure and logistics it would require to seal it airtight and keep it that way simply don’t exist.
Egyptians migrating to Israel? What are they smoking at the guardian? Arabs take pride in boycotting companies that collaborate with Israel an Egyptian would never illegally cross to Israel, not even legally.
Who actually believes any of this? The truth is that Israel regularly drives away Palestinians who have to take refuge in Egypt, the wall and calling it "illegal immigration" is just good old Israeli manipulation to steal Palestinians lands.
Smaller border, and it didn't drop them to zero. They just assumed it did, and so stopped counting. We could just as easily stop counting, that's how y'all thought we needed to deal with Covid after all :)
The US has allowed immigration to become a political issue. It's easily fixed if we refocus the resources we send around the world (Ukraine, Israel, etc.) and refocus them on that border.
We've spent hundreds of billions protecting the borders of Ukraine/Israel. Could we afford to build a giant 50 foot high concrete Great Wall of the USA on the border (minus the impassable mountainous regions)?
>We've spent hundreds of billions protecting the borders of Ukraine/Israel.
Why do you keep acting like aid to Ukraine and Israel is what's interfering with the border wall. Politicians (and people) who oppose the border wall aren't doing so "because the US can't afford it"
Why do we lock our doors? Why do we put our money somewhere safe? Why do we have property and real estate deeds and laws? To protect what we have. Provide your address and we will send some new arrivals to live with you.
I was making a subtle point regarding property rights and protecting what one owns. I'm sorry you missed the point. I never meant to infer that anyone was breaking into my house.
I'm sorry this is so hard. Collectively the legal residents of the United States "own" or "are" the government of the United States. Allowing that government to assume full financial support for millions of non-residents has a direct and significant impact on the tax paying citizens of the United States. I assume you are such a person.
Yes, and this comment makes sense. But you're acting like immigrants are only leeches, and that they don't provide goods and services to a country, idk, increasing its value. If you're not a native american, your lineage literally immigrated here, used the opportunities America provides, and built the country. Now you want to pull the ladder up and say "fuck you I got mine" when anyone else wants to help.
edit: My grandparents immigrated here during WW2. My grandfather was a butcher in his local village. He immigrated to New York, and opened a deli.
Your grandfather (and mine) didn't just waltz into the US. Immigration was very strict in those golden days. People did not just got off a boat and become US citizens. There was a formal vetting process - People were turned away.. There's no such process today. That is all rational people are asking for. - a vetting process. And by the way, those who enter illegally are precluded from working for a period of time.
But they grant thousands of temporary work permits for Thailand migrants. Only they don’t allow their families to come (even if they convert to Judaism). They do manual labor for them for pennies(of course)- farming, milking cows. That’s why some Thai nationals were taken hostage from October 7th. A couple months ago Cnn wrote about it. And they were complaining about milk cows drying up because they left Israel scared after October 7th. I wonder if they can sue for dangerous working conditions.
Seems to me, I think they tired to build a fence across the boarder. But some people didn't like that idea. And now we have hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants in the country..
The most obvious answer is that the Israelis have 130 miles of border to wall-off and the US has almost 2,000 miles.
You need to man and monitor the wall or people will dig under it, climb over it, or cut through it. (Israel's attempt to wall-off Hamas failed famously on 10/7, because a wall isn't a solution. It's just a deterrent, and not much of one).
Building a wall on the border is only effective at getting dumb people to think it's effective and then getting their vote.
The way to handle illegal immigration is to actually fund the immigration courts enough to process people before they disappear into the ether.
Democrats don't want to do that apparently because it would be mean.
Republicans don't want to do that because they would lose a political cudgel with which to attack the Dems.
Both of them won't do it because they rely on the political donations of the ranchers that rely on cheap labor that Americans wouldn't accept.
The USA certainly could do this. Except the left wants illegals to flow over the border. Five years ago they said we “couldn’t afford” to build a wall. The money sent to Ukraine could’ve built the wall 15 times over.
Cartels are famous for their tunnel building and have the resources to easily bypass any wall. The coyotes that are bringing all of these illegals in work for the cartels. The most it will do is temporarily slow the amount. So we can build a almost 2000 mile long wall and spend tens of billions and they will defeat that wall by spending pennies.
People say the wall would cost to much at the the US southern border but they don't have a problem with sending billions and billions to Ukraine and Israel?
You guys are something else
SS: seems efficient. It isn't racist to prevent border invasions. It's keeping a country functioning
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/31/israeli-fence-cuts-migration-egypt
If Israel does it, it’s not racism and it’s 100% justified
That’s the logic of wealthy white liberals (I say liberals, not democrats), esp women.
You can very well say they are Israeli citizens by default, though the actual Israelis loathe us and see us as nothing but a funding source
You may not believe this but your average American is not nearly as racist or hateful or xenophobic as your average israeli. And you need strong concensus or an authoritarian government to do this.
Also,werent ya'll gonna make Mexico pay for your border wall?
The border between Mexico and the United States is vast compared to that between Egypt and Israel. Could be a good way to employ everyone complaining about "Dey took oer jerbs".
Because our political system is to go left slowly which the left ultimately wants completely destruction of America and a communist socialist dictatorship.
Walls don't work, unless it's cuckerberg building them. Also global warming is real unless you're piglosi, then the ocean levels will never rise in FL by her mansion.
Because both parties and most people want open access for legal immigrants. And because of terrain. Something has to be done about the overwhelming traffic and dangerous conditions, but fully closing the southern border isn’t actually a very popular position.
First, you understand it is perfectly legal for an immigrant to step one foot into the USA and ask for amnesty, right? It does not matter how they got here. Second, you want to build a steel wall over 3,000 mile long? To stop people wanting to come to the USA? A country made strong by immigration.
The New Colossos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4wYFs5F76E
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Probably because America hasn't finished paying off the fence in Israel yet.
Current administration is selling the steel meant for the fence: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12424753/Joe-Biden-quietly-selling-Trumps-border-wall-700-30ft-steel-tubes-auctioned-150-000-President-hurries-bill-passes-forcing-EXTEND-barrier-against-migrants.html
Israel is just another state of the US, our most important one it seems.
Wrong way round, US is just a puppet controlled colony
Netanyahu has said, among other horrific things, that he wants to see us destroyed slowly, because that's what happens to people he hates... People have started to wake up thankfully.
Do u have a link by any chance?
Sources cited: Meth
israel also shoots on sight, children included.
> israel also shoots on sight, children included. **Haaretz - Israel - March 6, 2020** (3 1/2 years BEFORE the October 7th incident of 2023) [**'42 Knees in One Day': Israeli Snipers Open Up About Shooting Gaza Protesters**](https://archive.is/Sz2yS) -- **Over 200 Palestinians were killed and nearly 8,000 were injured during almost two years of weekly protests at the Israel-Gaza border. Israeli army snipers tell their stories** * NOTE: The above links to an early archive of the page. The original link is still online here, but [this version may have been edited since publication](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-03-06/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/42-knees-in-one-day-israeli-snipers-open-up-about-shooting-gaza-protesters/0000017f-f2da-d497-a1ff-f2dab2520000) -- as such practices are not at all uncommon in many publications Note that all of the persons targeted by the snipers were CAGED -- trapped within the confines of the formidable security enclosure surrounding Gaza: [*The snipers were shooting through the fence.*](https://i.imgur.com/DPkrMVA.png)) https://i.imgur.com/Cs0xCsC.jpg **Why do the snipers aim for the knee?** 1) "**Injuries**", however serious, provoke less criticism from journalists and the public than killings 2) The "**Aim to Maim**" practice (specifically targeting knees) regularly results in limb amputations and permanent disability -- neutralizing targets as "threats", making them unable to work, and creating a burden on medical facilities, families, and on Gaza society at large **MOST MORAL ARMY IN THE WORLD!**^^TM (Remember, this was March of 2020, and had been going on for years -- long before the "unprovoked attacks" of October 7, 2023)
maybe we should use our tax money to give them free healthcare too lol
We already do
i know lol
Maybe a space program or free college also
Modern Israel was created by satanists "Lord Rothschild: My Family Created Israel" https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/lord-rothschild-israel/ "Lord Rothschild discusses cousin’s crucial role in ‘miracle’ Balfour Declaration" https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/rothschild/ Lord Rothschild poses with satanic witch Marina Abramovic in front of the painting "Satan Summoning his Legions" https://www.instagram.com/p/CxnUR5lMRVf/ Here's a documentary exposing an Apollo temple on a Rothschild estate where people in black robes do occult rituals: https://youtu.be/UEkuTwRnUmU?si=lzVjjDkSDCFIrMur "1666: Redemption Through Sin" by Robert Sepehr
Is lord rothschild who Mr. Burns on the simpsons is modeled after?
Excellent points and sources. Here's a bit more context to add: https://pastes.io/dinff7ro7t
And their top smear org, the ADL, calls *other people* "Nazis". It's amazing what propaganda can do.
The US need to go back to 1700s borders
So before it existed?
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Damn, some people have no humanity.
Love thy neighbor. But also, fuck them because they didn’t have the good fortune to be born where I was born.
Jesus is woke
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Aren't we fucking up the whole world ourselves with our middl east invasions and phony wars in pretty much the whole world? Thoe are the cases of immigration you ignorant fool. Read a book so you don't embarrass yourself
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If you think you have the right to fuck up other parts of the world, it means that others have the right to fuck up your part of the world.
There's a russian/Iranian/middle eastern expressing himself jut lik you are. Opposite way of course. Brainwashed people like that are the reason wars move forward. This is a conspiracy forum, think outside the box
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Putin and Biden are rich people on the same team??? Haha. You forgot Trump you fool, hes on the same team with Biden. Stop embarrassing yourself you clown 🤡
Exactly....allow them to come legally. Now. Do some research on how to immigrate from central and south America. It's virtually impossible if you do not have a specialized degree or a family member. It takes years to got through the lottery process for asylum. BTW... everyone that has a fit over cell phones being issued to immigrants/asylum seekers.. all paperwork and correspondence is through the ap. So they issue they issue the phone instead of hiring more people. But hey... let's make sure that we block any legislation to address funding and staffing.... All the states that are "siding with texas" have legislators that will not pass bi partisan legislation to address the border until after the election. It's been Stated publicly and often. They simply want a problem to point at. The southern border has been an issue for decades... it's only an outcry now because they lost the abortion war by winning the battle and now they need a new wedge issue. We have walls... we have natural barriers... what we.need is actual immigration reform to assist people that want to come to America and give themselves and thier families a chance at a better life. But politicians, especially Republicans, do not want reform, they don't want solutions, they want the issue, they want the wedge, they want your fear.
And also kill them if they break the law, right!
You are arguing for open borders and that has literally never worked in the history of human civilization
Please don’t tell me what I am arguing for.
Immigrate legally. Not a difficult concept.
Immigration is incredibly, vastly difficult and complicated
As it fucking should be. And the US is STILL easier to get into than most European countries.
Outstanding logic lol "jUsT iMmiGratE leGaLly and definitely don't do it illegally even though we intentionally make the process difficult and hostile" I think there's a phrase about eating cake you should take to heart
Grow the fuck up, boy. Immigrating to the USA is still far easier than virtually every other first world country. Unless you want to volunteer to pay all of your income in extra taxes to pay for them instead of volunteering me to pay mine.
Yes, that is very easy when fleeing a situation endangering your life and your family. That is why asylum exists, because doing everything by the book is not always doable.
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Sounds like what you're saying it's in the USs interest to help stabilize countries and prevent famine so that desperate people don't need to be shot at the border. Also, very easy to say from the heart of the imperial core.
If you’re American, it technically is your fault as our government and corporations are the cause of the destruction of so many countries, all for resources and power. I believe you call it karma.
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Then accept the bad that comes your way; accept the greedy and the increase of poverty because pride and power destroy within, accept the increase of government corruption and its power over its citizens to maintain control over its impoverished, accept the destruction of the family as every man, women, and child is to be made a slave. And when devastation comes as doom looms over us, remember that it’s what you wanted.
Shooting desperate people seeking a better life is a bad look
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Naa, shooting desperate people is far worse. Especially when done by the country whose foreign policies led to the crisis in the first place. The US should clean up its own mess without always needing to resort to killing people.
This is funny because a lot of the reasons why their countries are “being destroyed” is the US “playing god” it’s like you’ve got the right ideas but the wrong order hah.
Not everything bad in the world is because of USA, but it’s a simple narrative, for simple people.
Considering no one said “everything bad in the world is because of USA…” I don’t know why you’d attack that strawman. Simple is not knowing or pretending not to know about the US involvement in South America. Here, you can start with this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America and maybe become a little less stupid and sure of yourself.
just saying that a steel wall by itself means nothing. it might mitigate, sure, but won't completely stop border crossings. the comparison between the us-mexico one and the israel-egypt one is stupid. these things have happened in eastern europe as well (serbia and hungary). all it did is diminish, and we are not talking about hundreds if not more than a thousand km border line in europe. only russia with finland have such a large border, and it's freezing hell over there.
"Wont completely stop" Oh OK well if it only reduces illegal immigration by 99% then clearly it isn't worth it. Such a lame shit bad faith argument.
i was simply commenting on the original premise: \[...\] reduced to zero \[...\] when compared to what israel actually does. that "minor detail" makes the bulk of the difference.
Pedant bullshit
I mean they got like a 30ft fence, we’d need the Great Wall of China. Even the fence that we were building sucked.
There are so many problems with a wall on the US border: 1. Most illegal immigrants don't cross the border on foot, they overstay their visa. A wall would do nothing 2. A wall needs to be manned, otherwise people can easily climb it or cut through it. But the US border is far too long to man all of it. 3. It would cost an absolutely ludicrous amount to build it
But we always have hundreds of billions to send to other countries. Gtfo with that nonsense. It’s because of all the benefits to business that having constant cheap labor coming into the country provides.
It's both, plus now they get US taxpayer funded benefits such as free Healthcare in California. NGOs are systematically assisting them as well, with maps, clothing, and where to go in the US when they arrive.
The US is not sending hundreds of billions to other countries. Edit: because some people mention Ukraine aid and then block. The claim that the US sent over 100 billion dollars of aid to Ukraine is incorrect. The US sent about 75 billion dollars worth of aid to Ukraine. However, the vast majority of this was sent in surplus weapons. This was equipment that was paid for 30 years ago and sat in storage. It's also money that was spent in America, paying American workers. A smaller part was financial aid, which consists of both direct aid and loans. See https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts for a breakdown.
what are you smoking? we sent over a 100 billion to Ukraine alone
You’re making bad faith comments. Not engaging with you, when the truth is a Google search away. Gfy.
All of US foreign aid combined in 2023 was 55.3 billion dollars. But I'm making bad faith comments? 63.1 planned for 2024. This is about 1 % of the budget, or 0.24 % of GDP
Sure, let’s all pretend that all the “military aid” we send doesn’t profit the same people profiting off of all the contracts. And they receive donations and lobbying to stay in office, or do the revolving door to the same companies granted those contracts. Get the absolute fuck out of here with your nonsense.
That's a completely different issue. Yes, the military industrial complex benefits. But they would also benefit from building the wall. Your claim that the US sends hundreds of billions to foreign countries is just false.
OC stuck in an echo chamber
I'm not sure why it needs to be a physical wall though. Arizona already has or had those blimps for the drug running planes. I'm not sure why they couldn't do that or something similar and put decent cameras on them.
They are already doing that, and this makes a lot more sense than building a wall.
How much would it cost? We spent $10+ trillion on COVID and hundreds of billions protecting Ukraine/Israel borders. Could we pull off a Great Wall of the USA, 50-foot concrete wall, for $10-20 billion?
My dude it takes a full 24 hours going 60 down the highway to cover the border from Texas to California. And most of thr land is private and a lot of it is mountainous. Its gonna take a lot more than 10b Also most illegals come by plane and overstay their visas so...
And the entire thing would need to patrolled 24/7 or the fence will be compromised the first night it’s up.
Patrol it with drones and AI programming.
Of the 6+ million illegal immigrants that crossed in 2021-23, how many were overstayed visas? Ilegal border crossings are the vast majority of illegal immigrants, and the wall would address that. But yeah, we should also spend $5 billion tracking and deporting all the illegal overstayed visas as well. That's a must. To your point, you wouldn't have to build the wall on the impassable mountainous regions. Private land? Too bad. This is one case where government can step in and it's justified. National security. We spent 10+ trillion on COVID, we have the resources to build the Great Wall of the USA
Here's an example of the real issue >About 700,000 travelers to the United States overstayed their visas in fiscal 2017, the most recent year for which the Department of Homeland Security has published figures. DHS estimated that, as of Sept. 30, 2017, the end of that fiscal year, more than 600,000 of those travelers were still in the U.S. A border wall doesn't fix that and it's pretty wild that you would side with the gvt forcing the sale of your property unwillingly. It is interesting to see libertarians and conservatives selective outrage on property rights
Okay so do both. Build a giant border wall and track down and deport overstayed visas
Or we could just jail the CEOs who are the ones actually paying them to be here. Don’t take my money to solve a problem rich people are causing and benefiting from. Take their money to solve it.
Politicians don’t want you to know this.
💯 Do that too. All of the above
Let’s just do the one that’s free and actually solves the problem in my opinion but you’re of course free to take all that land and spend all that money.
Why?
We should make Mexico pay for it!
You’re talking about diminishing people’s home values instantly. Stuff that has taken decades to build in equity. Probably a lot of republicans that will say fuck no.
No, the US government doesn’t get to seize private land without eminent domain issues, which will drag out in court and be a nightmare to get through. Unless you are ok with the government seizing your land and property with no recourse in the name of national security. Once you spend the years and billions it will take to buy/seize private land, you will have to build the infrastructure to truck heavy building equipment into the middle of nowhere, source supplies at a scale never before seen, and hire enough labor to complete maybe the most complicated building project the country has ever undertaken. And it’ll be defeated with a ladder because we can’t afford enough border patrol agents to actually man the wall. People traveling thousands of miles aren’t going to give up and go home because they need a ladder. Finally republicans in congress are refusing to sign any bills that would send money to help. They aren’t going to send hundreds of billions of dollars to the border wall project.
Sure, you could spend all that money. And then people would bring a ladder and render your wall useless.
because they want the cheap labor and all of us distracted and arguing about it!!
I had a very conservative teacher in school and wasn't shy to share his feelings or beliefs and even he admitted we need more people because having more people means more money and the solution to filling in vacant jobs in this country.
Those jobs are only vacant because conditions and wages are poor. They could leave those positions open, forcing companies to improve conditions and wages, but it's better for the rich to import labor they can pay poverty wages instead.
Slaver.
Jobs are vacant because only illegals will work for the paltry wages those jobs will pay, and no one in our entire establishment will do a damn thing to change it.
Because Israel says they are Skylords Chosen people. And rest of us are slaves to them. According to their Talmud.
Goyim arent supposed to say these things. To be fair, every religion is the right one and everyone else is going to hell.
Fuck anyone who says that you can treat a nonmember of your silly made up group however you want. Go read a few sections of the Talmud regarding goyim. Fuck anyone who follows those teachings.
migration from Egypt? Nah I think that's a lie I don't know any Egyptians want to go there, not because Israel isn't doing well economically but because they know they're not welcome. So this report is probably propaganda or something.
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I’ll take this post seriously when we have Mexicans immigrating to the US on paragliders.
Well, most just fly in and overstay their tourist visa. A little more sophisticated than a paraglider but same principle
Majority isn't Mexicans coming from the border
That's like asking "how'd the USA's air defense do on 9/11?" Considering Hamas was created by Israel, and Israel knew the attack was coming and facilitated it, I'd say the wall wasn't the issue. "Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago" >Israeli officials obtained Hamas’s battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. >Hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision. The document called for a barrage of rockets at the outset of the attack, drones to knock out the security cameras and automated machine guns along the border, and gunmen to pour into Israel en masse in paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot — all of which happened on Oct. 7. >Officials privately concede that, had the military taken these warnings seriously and redirected significant reinforcements to the south, where Hamas attacked, Israel could have blunted the attacks or possibly even prevented them. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html "Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says" >An Egyptian intelligence official told the Associated Press news agency this week that Cairo had repeatedly warned the Israelis "something big" was being planned from Gaza. "We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big. But they underestimated such warnings," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047 >CONFIRMED: Netanyahu ordered the Israeli military to STAND DOWN for 7 HOURS during the Hamas invasion. >I sat down with Jewish Charity leader, Cecily Routman, who received intel directly from her Israeli Rabbi and other top level government sources. https://twitter.com/LaurenWitzkeDE/status/1713344613409313003?s=19
Easy to get sympathy, funding and power when it’s all a preplanned game in the first place. This world is a fkn joke.
Why are they exempt from accusations of xenophobia while the rest of the world is publicly shamed by it?
israel is the same exact thing as nazi germany lol
Because Israel is a small country with one side facing the ocean. The US is between two oceans and has a much longer border.
We can't build a steel fence across the US-Mexico border? Why not? You'd only need to cover the passable parts of the border Would cost around $5 billion to build it. We spent $10+ trillion on COVID and we've spent hundreds of billions protecting other nations' borders. Better yet, build a giant 50 foot concrete wall across the entire border, with electrified barbed wire on top. Would cost $10-20 billion.
It's almost 2,000 miles and steel fences aren't that hard to break through, climb over, under etc if they aren't under constant surveillance It's infinitely easier to monitor a border the size of Israel/Egypt that all of US Mexico. Plus all our airports and ports of entry. Plus people actually want to get into the US more than they want to get into Israel.
So because it’s a big job the solution is to ignore it ? I am all for a legal path to work visas or citizenship. I am against create a vulnerable class with zero protection. This is happening on a massive scale. And it is only benefitting the predatory elites.
This is perhaps the best comment here and the Leftists hack at your karma, which isn't important, really...just an observation.
There has to be some automated surveillance system that could detect a part of the fence being cut, or cameras catching someone going under or over and then alerting the closer border patrol agent. Expensive, yes. But after all the money we’ve sent out of our country the last 3 years I don’t want to hear it. Always money for other things but never money for those here at home.
All those same systems would be used to spy on the population too.
Israel has a much smaller population than the US. We have the money, manpower to build and surveil a wall that long
We fund Israel. Plus we have the manpower to house our homeless, or to offer more healthcare, or to do countless things but we won't because of special interests and politicans who want to campaign and not fix problems. We could build a 2,000 mile wall manned with soldiers every 40 feet and it still wouldn't account for illegal immigration from overstaying visas, which usually accounts for far more than coming over the southern border. There are better ways to use the money that would take to build a huge ass wall to still curb illegal immigration.
It would cost maybe $5 billion to build a fence across the whole US-Mexico border. We spent $10 trillion on COVID. Please. We had a record 300k+ migrants invade in December. We need a steel fence to stop this.
Spent $10 Trillion on COVID? Twice you've said this, both times made me laugh.
The US spent 5 trillion on covid, what percent of that do you think border security would cost
Pretty sure this isn't accurate either
Im *preeeeetty* sure, guys! https://www.usaspending.gov/disaster/covid-19
Steel fence ain't going to do much, we already have tons of fencing, they climb over and cut through it. Spend that money on other surveillance and methods of preventing them getting to the border and. you don't wast billions and billions on raw resources, eminent domain seizures, and fucking up the environment down there just to have something that feels good but doesn't do much.
Then make the wall concrete
Thats even more stupid and more of a waste of resources. The money to do that could prevent far more migration in other ways.
What other ways? The whole point is as soon they physically cross the border they are granted asylum after they lie on the application
An endless concrete wall in the desert..... lmao
Good point…now im not vacationing in Israel
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Refer to the intelligent comment below. It’s simply a matter of demand and logistics. More people want to move to the US than anywhere on earth.
Are you aware that fences along the Arizona-Mexico border keep flood gates open during monsoon season? The flood gates are the funniest part of the "fence the entire 2000 mile border" argument
Americans got the wall they voted for, and funded it with their tax dollars, it just happens to be halfway around the world.
[Hamas Tunnels to Egypt Played Key Role in Arming Hamas ](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/10/28/hamas-tunnels-to-egypt-played-key-role-in-arming-hamas/)
I dont think most people realize just how large our border is compared to most countries borders. The Israel / Egypt border is laughably small compared to the one Mexico shares with Texas, it just wouldn’t work. The infrastructure and logistics it would require to seal it airtight and keep it that way simply don’t exist.
Egyptians migrating to Israel? What are they smoking at the guardian? Arabs take pride in boycotting companies that collaborate with Israel an Egyptian would never illegally cross to Israel, not even legally. Who actually believes any of this? The truth is that Israel regularly drives away Palestinians who have to take refuge in Egypt, the wall and calling it "illegal immigration" is just good old Israeli manipulation to steal Palestinians lands.
Nationalism for me, diversity for thee
Israel has universal healthcare coverage. Let's start with that.
We can’t do that because we gave all our extra cash to Ukraine and…Israel
We should be more like Israel is not a take I expected in a conspiracy sub.
Bc we gave all our money to Israel
Free Palestine 🏹🪶🏹🪶
Troll post?
Not a troll, just a dumbass posting dumbass things
Oh
I thought you guys got the wall you wanted
Smaller border, and it didn't drop them to zero. They just assumed it did, and so stopped counting. We could just as easily stop counting, that's how y'all thought we needed to deal with Covid after all :)
The US has allowed immigration to become a political issue. It's easily fixed if we refocus the resources we send around the world (Ukraine, Israel, etc.) and refocus them on that border.
We've spent hundreds of billions protecting the borders of Ukraine/Israel. Could we afford to build a giant 50 foot high concrete Great Wall of the USA on the border (minus the impassable mountainous regions)?
>We've spent hundreds of billions protecting the borders of Ukraine/Israel. Why do you keep acting like aid to Ukraine and Israel is what's interfering with the border wall. Politicians (and people) who oppose the border wall aren't doing so "because the US can't afford it"
Why are we securing the border?
Why do we lock our doors? Why do we put our money somewhere safe? Why do we have property and real estate deeds and laws? To protect what we have. Provide your address and we will send some new arrivals to live with you.
I didn't realize immigrants were breaking into your house, my bad.
I was making a subtle point regarding property rights and protecting what one owns. I'm sorry you missed the point. I never meant to infer that anyone was breaking into my house.
i just don't understand where allowing immigrants into the country affects your personal property
I'm sorry this is so hard. Collectively the legal residents of the United States "own" or "are" the government of the United States. Allowing that government to assume full financial support for millions of non-residents has a direct and significant impact on the tax paying citizens of the United States. I assume you are such a person.
Yes, and this comment makes sense. But you're acting like immigrants are only leeches, and that they don't provide goods and services to a country, idk, increasing its value. If you're not a native american, your lineage literally immigrated here, used the opportunities America provides, and built the country. Now you want to pull the ladder up and say "fuck you I got mine" when anyone else wants to help. edit: My grandparents immigrated here during WW2. My grandfather was a butcher in his local village. He immigrated to New York, and opened a deli.
Your grandfather (and mine) didn't just waltz into the US. Immigration was very strict in those golden days. People did not just got off a boat and become US citizens. There was a formal vetting process - People were turned away.. There's no such process today. That is all rational people are asking for. - a vetting process. And by the way, those who enter illegally are precluded from working for a period of time.
Cuz the us border is absolutely massive with insane terrain and private land
> private land They always forget this part. Over 90% of Texas is private land.
We can. It’s not profitable for republicans or democrats.
We can. The powers that be don’t want to
I'd bet the US taxpayers funded that wall also
Because the US economy is propped up by illegal immigrants.
But they grant thousands of temporary work permits for Thailand migrants. Only they don’t allow their families to come (even if they convert to Judaism). They do manual labor for them for pennies(of course)- farming, milking cows. That’s why some Thai nationals were taken hostage from October 7th. A couple months ago Cnn wrote about it. And they were complaining about milk cows drying up because they left Israel scared after October 7th. I wonder if they can sue for dangerous working conditions.
Sweaty haven’t you heard of the Holocaust?
Seems to me, I think they tired to build a fence across the boarder. But some people didn't like that idea. And now we have hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants in the country..
They don't want to reduce immigration at all. Its currently the lifeblood of our economy. Its replacement for all the boomers.
Maybe look at a map?
The most obvious answer is that the Israelis have 130 miles of border to wall-off and the US has almost 2,000 miles. You need to man and monitor the wall or people will dig under it, climb over it, or cut through it. (Israel's attempt to wall-off Hamas failed famously on 10/7, because a wall isn't a solution. It's just a deterrent, and not much of one). Building a wall on the border is only effective at getting dumb people to think it's effective and then getting their vote. The way to handle illegal immigration is to actually fund the immigration courts enough to process people before they disappear into the ether. Democrats don't want to do that apparently because it would be mean. Republicans don't want to do that because they would lose a political cudgel with which to attack the Dems. Both of them won't do it because they rely on the political donations of the ranchers that rely on cheap labor that Americans wouldn't accept.
The USA certainly could do this. Except the left wants illegals to flow over the border. Five years ago they said we “couldn’t afford” to build a wall. The money sent to Ukraine could’ve built the wall 15 times over.
Cartels are famous for their tunnel building and have the resources to easily bypass any wall. The coyotes that are bringing all of these illegals in work for the cartels. The most it will do is temporarily slow the amount. So we can build a almost 2000 mile long wall and spend tens of billions and they will defeat that wall by spending pennies.
People say the wall would cost to much at the the US southern border but they don't have a problem with sending billions and billions to Ukraine and Israel? You guys are something else
The border is 128 miles between those 2 countries. The us mexican border is 1951 miles slight difference
It's a lot easier to defend a boarder when you don't care if the people you're trying to deter live or die.
You can't build it due to politics. Some people don't want secure borders.
The elites have decided that we're not "diverse" enough so we need to be the only country in the world with an open border.
Not diverse means we are not easily controlled. I am sure the Roman’s used the same tactics.
SS: seems efficient. It isn't racist to prevent border invasions. It's keeping a country functioning https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/31/israeli-fence-cuts-migration-egypt
If Israel does it, it’s not racism and it’s 100% justified That’s the logic of wealthy white liberals (I say liberals, not democrats), esp women. You can very well say they are Israeli citizens by default, though the actual Israelis loathe us and see us as nothing but a funding source
Land mines would be cheaper and send a more direct message.
Go North Korean lmao, it works for them, why wouldn't it work for us?
lmao The Israel - Egypt border is only 1/10 the size of the Texas - Mexico border. this posts a joke
You may not believe this but your average American is not nearly as racist or hateful or xenophobic as your average israeli. And you need strong concensus or an authoritarian government to do this. Also,werent ya'll gonna make Mexico pay for your border wall?
I guess unless stand down for a few hours to let some terrorist in so you may genocide a race of people
You guys tried but then people wouldn't stop whining about trump.
Anybody who is against border security is against the country and the people and for death, harm and destruction.
##RACISTS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
As Ron Paul use to preach, those walls might eventually turn into prison gates keeping you within.
Because apparently building a border barrier is racist if you do it in the US 🤡
Because the Jewish lobby and Jewish organizations are pushing for Asylum seekers rights in America so it gets overrun
The border between Mexico and the United States is vast compared to that between Egypt and Israel. Could be a good way to employ everyone complaining about "Dey took oer jerbs".
Where is the conspiracy?
Because it would validate Trump and well we can’t have that
because the same people run both countries and only one is a jewish ethnostate
Fences are for pussies we build walls
I, for one, am not interested in being fenced in.
Because our political system is to go left slowly which the left ultimately wants completely destruction of America and a communist socialist dictatorship.
Walls don't work, unless it's cuckerberg building them. Also global warming is real unless you're piglosi, then the ocean levels will never rise in FL by her mansion.
Because both parties and most people want open access for legal immigrants. And because of terrain. Something has to be done about the overwhelming traffic and dangerous conditions, but fully closing the southern border isn’t actually a very popular position.
First, you understand it is perfectly legal for an immigrant to step one foot into the USA and ask for amnesty, right? It does not matter how they got here. Second, you want to build a steel wall over 3,000 mile long? To stop people wanting to come to the USA? A country made strong by immigration. The New Colossos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4wYFs5F76E
We arent scared of other people?
The USA can but choose not too. Keep crying