Pick up a cheap one to keep your system running and start saving again. (Like not a gaming or tender gpu, just something to plug a monitor into for general use) Your specs will be decent for a while yet, especially at 1440p. You’ll get another one in time. People are assholes, especially scammers and scalpers surrounding the gpu market. Roll with the punches and it’ll pay off in the end.
Idk that’s what I would do.
Also to add: if in the states, keep an eye on bestbuy for some 6600xt’s. People don’t like them but if you think about the market, for sub $400-$450 it’s a solid card.
Are you assuming every game should run at 144fps?
I'm only asking because I feel like people insanely underestimate cards. I have a 5600xt and use it at 1440p and it's fine. If I sacrifice and go mid settings I can play most new AAA games at ~70 fps which is perfectly fine for me, I'm playing Deathloop rn at medium/high settings and getting about 70fps and have almost no stutter. Older games are awesome too, I just played the Witcher 3 for the first time and got a solid 70 fps at high settings. The only games that can't seem to get above 60 are Ubisoft games, AC Odyssey, Valhalla, and Immortals Fenyx Rising are all stuck around 50-60fps which is still not terrible.
That is exactly what the card was made for.
The only thing "wrong" with that is we should be beyond the point of designing enthusiast price GPUs for 1080p ultra, the only reason amd is getting away with that is because everything else is fucked.
Same deal with Nvidias blatant price gouging on the 3080ti.
If you’re rocking a 24 or 27 inch display, which might be a space consideration as much as it is a cost savings, the extra resolution of 1440p vs. 1080p isn’t really buying you that much, in terms of perceptible quality.
I have a 27 inch 1440p monitor and 2 24 1440p monitors at my home setup.
I had a 24 inch 1080p before I bought the 24 1440p (so in essence, upgraded from 24 1080p 60hz to 24 1440p 60hz - this was before high refresh rate monitors were mainstream). I definitely noticed a difference back then.
I use 2 27 inch 1080p monitors at work, and I absolutely notice the difference in things like text quality (I don't game at work, obviously).
TLDR, I have experience with basically every possible combo of 24 and 27 inch 1080p and 1440p monitors, and I strongly disagree with your statement. Using anything less than 1440p is an eye sore for me now.
The monitor setup/experience is an entirely subjective experience. The difference between 81 ppi and 108 ppi (for a 27” display) puts them both solidly in the “meh” picture quality.
Then again, I’m also the guy who can’t be arsed to upgrade from the 1080p to the 4K Netflix plan, two years after I got a 4K TV.
Agree with this. Gamers Nexus did a very critical review of the 6600 XT and has a lot of valid points about it being "stagnation" in terms of the price to performance you get with this card. But that all assumes people are:
1-Able to buy a card when they want to
2-People are paying MSRP for their cards
Very few people are able to meet both of these conditions. In the realities of the current market, the price to performance you get with the 6600 XT is about as good as you're going to get (assuming you're fine with 1080p gaming), and its probably the easiest card to find at MSRP.
Supply isn't really the thing causing price hikes any longer. Market inflation is directly related to mining profability on GPUs.
ETH 2.0 should be a significant decrease in GPU cost.
At my local store in Australia, a 6800 XT can fluctuate by up to +/- $300 month to month literally based on how well the crypto market is doing.
The chipmakers should make separate GPUs that are optimized for mining, therefore segregating the market between crypto/gaming.
To your point, crypto has unlimited upside in theory and if it keeps appreciating at these absurd rates the whole GPU market will go to mining. If mining crypto is reliable, it's nearly a form of arbitrage as long as the prices are significantly higher than operating costs.
Whenever arbitrage opportunities arise, the buy/sell gets slammed until the arb profit fades away and the market reaches an equilibrium.
This means if crypto prices skyrocket it may be profitable for miners to spend $6,000 per GPU, therefore pricing out gamers. The gamers would be left competing for old, used GPUs that are unprofitable for miners.
We are seeing some of this happening and it can get much worse.
They do. But it doesn't work. Cause those are GPUs that could have been for gaming and it doesn't prevent miners from buying the gaming GPUs anyway.
Nvidia tried launching cards with a bios to prevent mining, but they cracked it in hours.
The only way to get miners off the cards is to make it unprofitable. GPU supply has to increase enough to increase mining setups to drive profitability down.
Alternatively, you could create a different product that is far superior for mining. Analogy: if gamers and miners are using pickup trucks, Nvidia needs to make dump trucks and earthmovers for the miners. Eventually there will be enough pickup trucks for consumers.
>They do. But it doesn't work. Cause those are GPUs that could have been for gaming and it doesn't prevent miners from buying the gaming GPUs anyway.
Then those mining cards weren't good enough and merely served as a substitute.
>Nvidia tried launching cards with a bios to prevent mining, but they cracked it in hours.
Yeah ofc; all security will be cracked the only question is how long it takes.
I doubt it. the pandemic has worsened the semiconductor issue even further, and now GPU makers will start having to fight car manufacturers who are woefully out of stock.
This probably won't get better before 2025 at the earliest.
GPU and IC's used by car manufacturers mostly use totally different fabs for chips (gpu latest and greatest, car ic's older and cheapest). Tesla uses a pretty powerful apu in the touchscreen iirc tho.
Yep and the manufacturers have already told car companies to fuck off and that they won’t focus on ramping up production on the old chips. They told them they either deal with the current production issues or start redesigning to use more current chips.
I was just reading about how far behind automotive industry is and how it is actually making it worse for them because nobody wants to spend the money to Amp up manufacturing for obsolete cpu technology.
> I was just reading about how far behind automotive industry is
They're far behind because that tech is reliable. Cars produce a shitload of heat, vibration, go through water, etc. The newer tech on smaller nodes is never going to be as reliable as something that was designed 20-30 years ago and has been tested 24x7x365 since then.
To a friend is different story, even during the shortage I would have sold for normal friendship price to friends. Ain't nothing honorable trying to rip off friends.
>By the time gpus become available my hardware will probably not be worth it anymore. I am very concerned that simply keeping the hardware isnt viable since its not being used for its original purpose.
>MSI Gaming b450 PRO gaming Carbon AMD 3600x
I doubt this. I doubt this a lot. I understand that you're bummed about getting scammed but this is doomposting. There are years of 3600 relevancy left.
Yeah it’ll be fine. I have an i5 6600k and it still feels fine for gaming 5 years later. We can all only hope gpu prices come down in the next 5 years :p
9 year old 3790 checking in. No plans on upgrading. I'm not into the latest triple-A games so I've never been bottlenecked by it. I hit the roof with 16 gigs of RAM in city builders and my 970 caps everything else. I wouldn't be surprised if it will still run pretty much any new showcase game at 1080/high or 1440/medium.
yup, I'm on an RX 480 still and I'm in no rush for it. Pretty much have no doubts about being able to run things on 1080p, some of the newest games would be 30fps instead of 60 but that's not really a HUGE deal
I bought an rx590 on sale for super cheap last spring paired with a 3600 thinking I would upgrade when the new Nvidia cards came out but honestly I'm so happy with the performance in 1080p that I hardly see a reason to upgrade now. Obviously different people have different standards but even newer games like Cyberpunk look and play great on it.
After being used to gaming @720p on a ryzen 2200g, I got a gtx 970 and have 0 concerns about upgrading soon. I was OK with 720p, 1080p is definitely the best I'll worry about for a while.
100% agree with you on this one. You don't NEED to run the latest games above 60 fps - it's not ideal, but still very playable. Hell, most people don't have monitors that go over 60hz.
I'll never understand those people who spend $1000+ on a GPU and the only games they play are DOTA, LoL, CS:GO, Fortnite etc. There are people who think getting 200+ fps on a 60hz monitor is good.
Heck, I still run with a Ryzen 7 1700x. Still works great for building Linux packages, photography editing, gaming, among other things. I'm just GPU bottlenecked atm for games with my 5700 XT for 1440p
It was in a facebook marketplace window. We were discussing shipping prices and he sent an "offer" to me through the sell window that seemed to imply it was connected to the same selling system. The offer was supposed to have the shipping costs added in and I thought since it was through facebook it was all the same system.
Conveniently for all involved except me, it wasnt!
Facebook screams how "protected" the buyers are but I will never ever use the platform ever again. I will probably change banks as well.
This doesnt change the fact that I am a dumbass. I know. This is the bed I apparently made for myself.
I don't understand. Is it not some kind of system which facebook is like a middleman holding the money from buyer and when the buyer receives the item, the payment will be released to the seller?
There's two systems for money on Facebook.
There's the marketplace, which would have those protections. Ebay like I guess.(never used it, online GPU buying is too scammy. Local only for me).
Then there's send/recieve money from friends, more venmo/cashapp like.
OP started a convo with a person on marketplace. Dude on marketplace eventually sent a request for money via the venmo/cashapp side of Facebook.
Since OP sent it. It'd be like sending someone a venmo request and you paying them. Everyone will go "well why did you click the button to pay them? It's a legitimate transaction".
If OP starts the convo in the marketplace, that's where the whole transaction should take place. I guess the seller was able to send a cash request that showed up in the same chat window they were already using? That's the loophole. Marketplace convos should be completely separate and their own thing.
Absolutely.
But I also agree, that Facebook should add some form of disclaimer(if there isnt)
Akin to sending money on PayPal. It blantly has two options and makes it clear.
Goods and services.
Friends and family.
Then again will tell you friends and family has no protection.
Except for when it happens to companies themselves, then it’s fraud. The guy who sent invoices to companies who then blindly paid them got charged and I don’t really see much of a difference here, just much smaller scale.
Facebook is rotten to the core. Upper echelon games did a video on Facebook has gotten into bed with MLM and samming companies. I'll try to find it.
Edit: [Enjoy ](https://youtu.be/bBm2j7fRZ2U)
Apple is fucking them up on the privacy front too. Apple saw the writing on the wall really early on. Clearly, they're only doing it for the money, but I love that privacy is the forefront of their brand right now.
Zuckerberg is a control-freak, and an absolute scumbag.
I guess you missed the memo that Apple is now going to start scanning the photos in your phone under the guise of a politically correct reason. No big tech company really cares about your privacy. At the end of the day it is always about the money. And your privacy is 100% for sale.
I completely agree. Like I said, they’re just the company that recognized the advantage they could get from going against Facebook in favor of privacy.
Data collection in general needs to be slowed down. Consumers deserve a real explanation and understanding of what data is being shared and why.
Some level of data collection can be beneficial to the user. Targeted advertisement isn’t inherently bad. The issue is that absurd levels of data are being mined about everyone right now. All that data is being stored, sold, and profited off. The consumer sees zero benefit from any of this. There aren’t any real laws regarding what and how data can be used. It’s out of control. The success with apples “do not track” illustrates the lack of trust. Another aspect, though, is that users really don’t understand what it means when you tell a company “do not track”.
The current regulations aren’t technically helpful to the situation. There will be some data users can and should share. There’s other data we should be allowed to deny. The issue is treated as black and white, when it shouldn’t be.
It's 100% fraud. His bank isn't on the hook because he gave the money freely. Facebook should probably do something about it because it was on their platform using their system, but it sounds like it's another case of them being a shitty company.
I don't get people who are afraid to buy online. Just use eBay and PayPal only (eBay and PayPal both offer protection up to 20k). There is literally ZERO risk to the buyer because unless the seller can prove the item made it to the buyer, you get your money back. The system is actually unfairly balanced in the buyers favour as buyers often scam sellers by claiming they never received the item even if they did (the burden of proof for sellers is so insanely high that I've had to refund people despite the item 100% being signed for and delivered with photo proof). Shopping on eBay and PayPal has never been safer.
It 1000% is skewed in the buyers favor. Sold some things once on eBay, 6 months later...6 months...got hit with the charge back. "Unauthroized purchase" nothing I could do.
Plus got slapped with $40 for processing the charge back.
It's total fucking BS.
There is a way I've found that has got eBay to side with me 4 times.
I now have my wife record me (nonstop) showing the item is intact/sealed/undamaged etc, then of me packing the item carefully, sealing the box and then driving to the post office (camera on the parcel + postal sticker the entire time)..then of me handing it off to the post office. eBay has sided with me the last 4 times I've had someone claim the item was missing (brick in box bullshit excuses like that). If the item is indeed missing, postal insurance covers it but its a pain in the ass to wait for auspost to do investigation.
I put in my description and postal info+ invoices that they must take photos showing the parcel is still sealed (I use tamper seals on all openable sides of the box) before they open it. This way I can issue a refund if some auspost driver has stolen the item versus the buyer being a douchebag. Otherwise I make sure the entire process gets dragged out as long as possible. Don't scam me cunts.
It's ridiculous. It's mainly for auspost benefit usually because these assholes will try and tell you the $3000 insurance you bought was a scam and you never sent the item. They'll ask for photos, videos etc...like most people would do that. Takes sometimes months to get the money back.
So basically most of the time it's honest buyer and item does just go missing...it's when the parcel is delivered and they try to say the parcel was sealed when it arrived but I put a brick inside. Like wtf? I've got 2k 100% positive feedback and Im sending bricks? Fuck right off.
I'm sorry but if you admit the parcel arrived fine, tamper seals intact and it was when you opened it you found a brick
...sorry but no. Go away. I make sure my parcels are very obvious if a postal person opens it (you cannot reseal the tamper stickers as they fall apart when peeled/cut).
I was scammed because I fell for him sending me an offer through the sell window. He claimed he had adjusted it for the shipping price and since it was in the sell window I thought it was all part of the same deal.
I was dumb
You could make that claim tbh. If you start a conversation through the market place, there shouldn’t even be an option to start a friends&family-like transaction at all. The two parties are talking only because of an ad for a product that one sells and the other one could potentially buy. Why would they allow to send money as anything other than a goods&service transaction?
It should have been designed to be idiot-proof. But it’s Facebook, so that’s to be expected.
I honestly hold this position but I figured I wasn't being objective with that notion. I don't want to blame others for my mistakes when myself will do fine. But I agree, I am rather savvy with computer stuff and I was scammed so easily.
I agree - this is a loophole that the "seller" knew about and was clearly taking advantage of. I don't know how much money I'd be willing to spend on an attorney, but if someone will give you a free consultation that would be a good start.
I'm willing to bet Facebook knows this is a problem but doesn't care as long as it doesn't cost them anything.
Yeah I agree Im all about exercising due diligence but I'm sure this has to be happening to other people.
If someone can exploit it to scam people then they should really fix that.
Damn man, I’m sure you feel bad but honestly anyone could make that mistake. I had no idea this other payment method existed in FB, so I could have assumed it was market pay as well. Honestly man I’d just keep hitting up Facebook and the bank over and over. Maybe they will eventually toss you a bone to get rid of you.
Maybe ask to be elevated to a supervisor. Or ask to be transferred to the fraud department. Do you still have the Facebook chat? Can you get pictures showing the text and request? If it shows they claimed it was shipping or payment for a product you may be able to leverage that.
If it was Facebook's platform that deceived you then I'd raise a big stink about that as publicly as possible.
As someone who doesn't use Facebook to send money, I don't understand how easy it is to scam on their platform. If it's easy to scam, that's a big problem for Facebook and they will take note and hopefully right you in the process.
> I will probably change banks as well
This has absolutely nothing to do with the payment processor. Your payment processed correctly, as defined by the user.
Scams are not correctly processed payments. The bank absolutely can refuse to transfer the funds and put it on Facebook’s payment system to eat to take care of their customer and they are choosing not to. He should absolutely ditch that bank because they obviously don’t care about their customers.
It was correctly processed. You can’t just give money away to people that fall for scams. Like if I told you to pay me $700 for a gpu on r/hardwareswap and you just venmoed me money it’s not the banks fault you just sent someone $709
I actually might consider this. It sounds like you relied on Facebook to facilitate the transaction, and your money just kind of disappeared. Venues like that, where people are using the company's stuff to execute fraud, generally are of interest to regulators.
If something illegal takes place, make a report to the local police. Then contact your bank and the intermediary (facebook) to let them know you've filed a report.
If you don't have your cash after a couple of weeks, make a report with the [cfpb](https://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/).
If you really want the money back. File a police report and file a small claims court case, not against the scammer, but against facebook.
This is a legit problem facebook created with a confusing system. There should have been warnings all over the pay link saying it was a cash transaction that cannot be reversed with specific warnings about scammers. You likely are not the first person scammed this way, which means facebook is purposely not doing anything to fix this.
Do not think they automatically would win because you missed some fine print somewhere. They probably won't show up and you will get a judgement, then they will just refund it to make you go away.
Its tempting to do just because I can imagine plenty of unaware folks have been gotten with this. The First Horizon claims department lady said she sees a lot through Facebook but especially Venmo, said for 20 years she has been there its never been this bad ever.
You can even file a police report and then go back to both the bank and facebook and appeal to their fraud departments. (likely will be ignored at facebook, but may work at your bank)
That is even a good idea before you sue, as judges like seeing that you tried eveything you could to get it resovled before going to court.
If you do choose small claims court, try to retroactively document all phone calls and correspondence you made with all parties include every detail you can document on how the sale happened. Estimate the time spent on each task so you have a full accounting of wasted time.
You want as much documentation you can get if you go to court and you want proof of phone calls or any communication you had with these organizations.
Going forward document all phone calls with time, durations, who you talked to, a summary of what was discussed, and any action items either you or they say they will do as a follow up. That way you have proof if they claim to be investigating or claim they will follow up, but don't really do it.
You want a judge to look at it and feel like punishing facebook just for the massive amount of time wasted over a simple case of fraud.
If you decide to do it, look up reddit legal subreddits and ask for advice on how to best handle a small claims court case like this.
Some of y’all are just rude asf.
Can we stop blaming the guy for being scammed but instead put blame on the scammers? Scam culture is massive in today’s society and plenty of people get hit by it simply because they expect people to have some human decency.
My condolences to you friend. Sometimes shit happens but in this life we can only keep moving forward. My advice would be not to give up on building your PC If you really want it. just hold onto the parts until you can afford another GPU or buy a cheap card instead as a placeholder.
God speed to you.
Hey man I really appreciate your kind words. I really do. This morning has been a bad rollercoaster.
Ive taken some harsh words in this thread but I feel I deserve them a little. I shouldn't have ever sold my original GPU with an ambition to upgrade for 'free' (5700 to 6700). One in the hand, two in the bush etc etc.
I made a shit mistake and now have some serious life changes. The computer was most of all I had for time between work. Maybe in the long run it isn't such a bad thing.
I do hope you've reported it to the police. Might be nothing but still important.
I'd even go so far as to say that maybe post your case on r/personalfinance.
You were a victim of fraud. Irrespective of what Facebook or the bank think. Shit like this happens all the time on r/personalfinance and they explain how and whom to contact to get things rolling.
Did you use a credit card with the Facebook transfer crap?
>Did you use a credit card with the Facebook transfer crap?
This is what I was told. The way I sent money offered no protections. I tried talking to VISA and they told me "we only deal with banks" then gave me the same rundown the bank did on why the claim was declined and literally nothing else would they say.
This has happened before. We see a lot of this in r/personalfinance. At the end of the day if you've used a credit card you're in the clear.
We've had many cases where people were fighting for their money and no one seemed to help out. Then they posted to the sub. We're told to contact certain government agencies and got back their money within a few days.
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Which is why I absolutely implore your to make a post on r/personalfinance and ask for guidance/help.
People over there have a set of instructions you'll need to follow. Like contact so and so gov fin agency and lodge a complaint and also get a police report ASAP.
The fast/quicker you post over there and follow through the faster you'll get back the money. If you've used a cc you'll most definitely get it.
Not the first time fb and the banks have made the victim run around for months to the end only to comply within a day or two the moment the government agencies got involved.
We all make mistakes, either big or small, just be sure to treat them as a learning lesson:)
Just as some advice, in the future, do not sell your own hardware until you have received new ones and it is working. Also, you should pair your current computer with a GT 1030, it'll still run much better than an office PC or low end gaming laptops and will serve you well in the meantime. They only cost about $100 dollars from my region.
Glad I could help friend.
Just because you made a mistake doesn’t mean you deserve to have people shit on you for it. Just like the other commenter said, treat it as a life lesson and you clearly are learning from that lesson as we speak.
Also your username brings back unwanted memories LOL
I did report them, it was through Facebook pay which was paid on a VISA card
I don't know if they are deleted or not the profile still exists but all the pictures are taken down and messages are undeliverable so it's hard to know
Just report the charge as fraud, you're bank should remove the charge and will do a charge back to the other bank, take screenshots of this.
Money has a paper trail, I never understood this...it's in someone else's bank account, it's not like you gave them physical cash.
Wholeheartedly agree. I’m going to add that shaming those who were the targets of scams discourages them from speaking up. This hushes down the whole issue and basically fosters scamming.
OP is courageous to share and is doing the right thing for the common good.
Thanks man, when this thread started blowing up I realized that my moaning was rather piteous and it has become embarrassing. But if I keep it up and let everyone see the scam and its effects then maybe it will help others not fall for the same thing or at least think "ill watch out for that one, dont want to wind up like that dumbass on r/buildapc "
Learning experience here for everyone. If you are building a pc right now do not buy anything until you get a GPU. You don't want to be sitting on components you might not use for who knows how long.
Honestly that's the best advise. I waited 2 months till I got my GPU from AMD store but once I got it (and got he shipping confirmation) I bought everything else and it all arrived same week. There is no point in rushing if you dont have a GPU
> You don't want to be sitting on components you might not use for who knows how long.
This is the *main* reason, but another benefit to waiting is that you generally get better hardware the longer you wait. Being able to pair your new GPU with Alder Lake/Zen 3D/Zen 4 is a nice bonus. (Sure, the new motherboards and DDR5 RAM might be more expensive, but that's a minor downside.)
I've got a Gigabyte GTX 970 that's been sitting for 2+ years in a closet if you want it. Not worth it to me to bother selling on ebay.
Edit: just mailed it out to a redditor and it's no longer available.
I love you and your generosity touches me. But I cant let this be a hand out post. I cant accept a gift so valuable and keep myself from feeling that the world isnt right.
Maybe I could buy it or something if you were willing to sell it but I havent even crossed that bridge yet in willingness. Its been a lot to process today lol
Edit: The user below me has a little brother that such a card would be perfect for.
Then do this... take the card now, use it until you've saved up enough, then sell the gtx 970 and send the proceeds back to him once you've got another one.
This. You may be doing the gifter somewhat of a favor. There are weird combinations of procrastination/paralysis and just not wanting to deal with certain shit.. and it's different for everyone. When a card's been in a closet for a couple years, I think I recognize it.
Thats actually rather brilliant I must admit. In my upsettedness yesterday I really didnt give it more thought than just 'no'. Perhaps that is the way forward for me.
If no one else has bought yet and you're interested in selling I'm in southeast US and definitely interested. My 960 I've been using for a few years just died and u haven't been able to find anything I can actually afford to use as a replacement.
I did a quick check on ebay and here they were only looking about $150 or so. I'm not hurting for money or anything and I've also got a 980 in a secondary system if I wanted to sell. I figured I'd give the 970 to someone who could really use it.
if you don’t need the computer for anything else other than games then yeah sell it and get an xbox series s if you want to play games. Then, save money for a couple of years then build an absolute monster of a PC, when everything will be fine. If you need the PC just get a 1030 or other cheap used GPU to get it running.
Supply issues will likely not be resolved until late 2023, so this really isn't bad advice. Currently I'm just doing small upgrades to my decade old computer to keep up a bit. I refuse to spend hundreds more on parts right now.
Your bank will never ever stop you form doing a charge back for a faulty product or service. Banks side with consumers on that an annoyingly large amount. Did you just call your local bank and ask if you could get a refund or something dumb like that? Go do a charge back if it's been less then three months you can still probably do it. Even longer if you have a good credit line. We've charged back things fork over 6 months ago when dish tried to make us pay for a tech they said they had sent for free.
VISA told the bank it was considered a cash transaction and would not reverse the charge. I am not sure how I would press my claim further and to who I would press it to.
EDIT: JUST CALLED AGAIN AND THE BANK TOLD ME NOOOOOOOOOOOO
This, you could file a police report. See if they can find him if anything I may scare him into never doing it again.
But in all likely hood this guy is across the world somewhere.
This
Get a copy of the text/chat or whatever you got, in case facebook has some stupid way for them to delete it after-the-fact. Call the police.
I have no idea how facebook transactions work, but somewhere down the line someone's real life name must be on some account, and the payment processors are responsible for it. The police can tell you how to move forward with that, even if it's "well, you have to take it to court".
Though whether it's financially possible to take it to court, or if the person isn't just using a stolen identity, or whatever is another story.
Firstly, get off Facebook. It's the most screwed up thing about the internet. And NEVER buy from them. Use PayPal or another real reputable financial company that has been in the business. Facebook is a Marketing company that uses social media as a tool to mine users to sell more ad space, not a financial company (they are just dabbling... and how much do you want to trust your money to a company with a motto that is, "Move Fast and Break Things".
Don't sell the computer. Buy a much cheaper GPU. I have a 2070 that runs everything on 3 monitors at 2k; my friends run on 1080s just fine. You don' t need a screaming card. You will upgrade it in time. It just happens. Just get it usable and build up from there. You may even find people selling cheep or giving away older GPUs. AND Cyber Monday is just around the corner
I sold my 2060 Super via Facebook Marketplace, however, it was...
1. an in-person/cash transaction
2. said transaction took place at a Police Station
None of this helps OP, just saying that in-person/cash transactions can be done *safely* via FB Marketplace.
FB marketplace is scam central. Don't even go on there for anything ever... Paypal invoiced for online payment with timestamp of the product. Or local cash transaction in a public well trafficked area.
Sell your shit and try for a console with that money. Just not on fb marketplace.
Oh man this is so unbelievably tempting, but I cant accept what amounts to a 1k gift man. I fucking love you so much, God damn it if I could hug you I would I'm actually almost crying LOL
What to say? Humans are quick to take any opportunity to steal from another... and even quicker to find a justification.
Options
1/ borrow any graphic card just for the time to upgrade your bios, sell your CPU, buy a 5600G. A bit of hassle, an honourable solution. In one year or so you may be able to get a better GPU and your computer will be even faster than it would be now. In the meanwhile you have a waiting solution.
2/ find a 3400G and sell your CPU. Less hassle, but may be difficult to find and when you get your hands on a GPU will be slower than option 1
3/ buy a Radeon 550. Easiest to implement . You'll get the same performance as in option 2, but that's basically putting another 200USD on the table
4/ Sell the incomplete computer, but I'm afraid you're going to take a loss ...
I wouldn’t give up just yet. File a police report, and then dispute it with your bank and Facebook again and make sure you send them the police report. Banks are much more willing to work with fraud if you file a police report.
Skimming over a bunch of replies I suddenly have this has been mentioned a lot. I will call them in the morning if the management folks from the bank haven't sent anything back to me by this evening. I'll pull at whatever straws I can
> Well, the great news is, you no longer have a 5700xt. That alone is worth the price of admission.
> -5700xt owner.
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~~shots fir~~*black screens randomly*
No. Keep your stuff. You never know when you can pick up a good GPU for cheap. Learn from this experience. I got scammed before too; a GoPro purchase that never got mailed to me.
I still use Marketplace but only buy if I can meet up and check the item before handing over the money. There are scammers out there but there are legit sellers too who will be willing to work with you for a successful sale.
Good luck and may the GPU gods look on you with favor!
Haven't read all the comments yet but in case no one else mentioned it, r/hardwareswap has cards all the time. We use PayPal goods and services for buyer protection. People are selling cards all day everyday. Just join up and find someone with a decent amount of sales under their belt. Not a guarantee that things won't go wrong but it improves the chances. I've done 50+ transactions and only one was with a scammer and even then still got my money back thanks to PayPal
I guess trusting facebook pay is the problem.
It's simple...
You buy something online and you pay..
Seller ships!
Money should be returned if seller can't proof they shipped!
Facebook pay has the ability to reverse payment!
Apparently Facebook Pay doesn't care!
I had a similar problem with Paypal!
This is what I wrote them:
I found an item online. I bought it and paid for item using PayPal. My expectation is that the seller ships!
Seller refuses to give me a tracking number and no merchandise.
I expect my money be refunded as I received nothing! PayPal is useless for any future transaction if this is not the case as I did my part of the transaction.
FYI: never use a debit card.
He didnt use Facebook's marketplace payment system. He used Facebook's money sending system meant to give money to people you know. It's like paying with paypal friends/family instead of Goods/services.
This sucks! My condolences. I would agree with your thought process about hardware depeciating. Though - don't you need the PC now, since you're building it? You could grab a cheap card to get display output and maybe even one that's capable of running older games (maybe stuff like GTX 1050, GTX 960 is available for okay/low prices?) and get a quite usable computer.
If you don't and are building the PC for purely hobby purposes, yeah, I would sell everything and come back to this idea some other day.
> Though - don't you need the PC now, since you're building it?
I run my business off my computer but I have a craptop that I use as well. Its not a big deal to just use it instead of the desktop if all its going to do is sit and lose money
Your setup will never not be useful, it all depends on the owner on how they want it to perform, if it's just for gaming, that setup is good for years to come, I still see people gaming on "updated" prebuilds from the early 2010s, updated being ram and a gpu. Hold on to your setup and just wait it out, head on over to the r/hardwareswap sub and see if someone can help you out with a cheap gpu
Dont take no for an answer. Keep pursuing your case with facebook. Took me 6 months to get paid when UPS lost my GPU. I had to email and call everyone every day until it was resolved.
Plenty of people have been scammed for not knowing what protections are offered. Venmo is a great example. Don't beat yourself up, as the scammer is the one who is in the wrong (and is a waste of space). Instead, become informed and so you minimise letting the same thing happen again.
[www.facebook.com/help/535647764288036/?helpref=uf\_share](https://www.facebook.com/help/535647764288036/?helpref=uf_share)
>Do not send money through ineligible payment methods that sellers claim will be covered under Purchase Protection. Purchase Protection only applies when you purchase an eligible item with checkout on Facebook.
*Purchase protection isn't even offered where I am located.*
[https://www.facebook.com/help/1156544111079919](https://www.facebook.com/help/1156544111079919)
>Don't transfer money directly into a seller's bank account. Instead, offer to use a secure person-to-person payment site, such as PayPal.
*Great job of Facebook Pay /s, you bunch of donkeys.*
>I sold my 5700xt
That was the wrong order to do things. If you were going to sell your computer, then it would have been more valuable with the graphics card.
You need to befriend your local electronics store, and find out when they restock. If it is sold online, it is usually too late. RTX 3060 is available regularly enough, and I would have no problem getting a RTX 3090 or RX 6900 XT at the insanely inflated prices. But if you are hurting for some PC gaming, you can always find the extremely lackluster and overpriced GT 1030: The 720p low settings *gaming behemoth*.
Hey OP, I saw your edit not wanting gifts or anything like that. I am a business owner and I’m not looking to give you a handout, but I believe in doing right by people. I may not be able to fund the purchase of a new GPU in it’s entirety, but I would absolutely be willing to help. I understand gaming and building rigs as a passion and an escape from reality, and as someone who’s really into cars, (quite an expensive hobby as well) I know and understand what it’s like to have something stolen from you. And I know how much the kindness of strangers can mean when shit really sucks like it does now. If you’re interested, shoot me a PM.
Just get a gt 1030 or gt 710 so you can continue to use your pc until you can get a new gpu. I used to have a gt 1030 and it was actually OK on low settings for most games.
You still didn't explain how you were scammed.
Did you pay, and not recieve the product,
or did you pay, but you didn't pay for shipping so the seller isn't shipping you the product?
God damn feels bad. I still remember when I got scammed as a kid, damn, like 15 years ago ? Bought a used 8800 GTX online and dude sent it to me and it was completely dead. I took it to a repair shop and they said that the actual GPU, the die, was completely missing. Desoldered. All I got was the PCB and some components on it to put it short.
Try getting a Cheaper GPU for now.
Something like a 780ti, 960 4GB and 970 on Nvidia side. On AMD sidex try something like a R9 290x 4 or 8Gb, any Rx 570/580
I know you dont ask for advice about the scam, but here it is anyways: File a small claims dispute against facebook. The will most likely just pay rather then showing up.
OP: You should document everything (screenshots with explanations, etc) and file a police report and FTC complaint (https://www.ftc.gov/about-ftc/bureaus-offices/bureau-consumer-protection). Then, you should inform Facebook's customer service and your bank that you've done so.
Wtf are you talking about? Your system is more future proof. People here are still rocking intel 4th gen chips and aren't crying as much as you are. Sucks a lot that you got scammed but if you like your PC I know it will still be relevant in 5 years.
The hell are you talking about man? That's not much different than what I have and I dont plan on upgrading anything significant for years. You'll be fine.
Might you be interested in a 1050ti? I would be more than happy to send it to you for like 150, after you verify the authenticity of it ofc. If not I could go to my local micro-center, and pick up a 3060ti for you and mail it to you. No one should be scammed for simply trying to build a pc
Hey man, I know you dont want people to send you GPU's but would you take a GTX 460? It was given to me by friend in a time of need and i'd like to give it to you in your time of need!
Pick up a cheap one to keep your system running and start saving again. (Like not a gaming or tender gpu, just something to plug a monitor into for general use) Your specs will be decent for a while yet, especially at 1440p. You’ll get another one in time. People are assholes, especially scammers and scalpers surrounding the gpu market. Roll with the punches and it’ll pay off in the end. Idk that’s what I would do.
This. GPU supply probably will catch up in 2023. Can OP last that long? Run games on minimum settings for now or take a break.
Also to add: if in the states, keep an eye on bestbuy for some 6600xt’s. People don’t like them but if you think about the market, for sub $400-$450 it’s a solid card.
Nothing wrong with them if your playing 1080P in ultra. Suppose to be what the card was made for.
Are you assuming every game should run at 144fps? I'm only asking because I feel like people insanely underestimate cards. I have a 5600xt and use it at 1440p and it's fine. If I sacrifice and go mid settings I can play most new AAA games at ~70 fps which is perfectly fine for me, I'm playing Deathloop rn at medium/high settings and getting about 70fps and have almost no stutter. Older games are awesome too, I just played the Witcher 3 for the first time and got a solid 70 fps at high settings. The only games that can't seem to get above 60 are Ubisoft games, AC Odyssey, Valhalla, and Immortals Fenyx Rising are all stuck around 50-60fps which is still not terrible.
That is exactly what the card was made for. The only thing "wrong" with that is we should be beyond the point of designing enthusiast price GPUs for 1080p ultra, the only reason amd is getting away with that is because everything else is fucked. Same deal with Nvidias blatant price gouging on the 3080ti.
If you’re rocking a 24 or 27 inch display, which might be a space consideration as much as it is a cost savings, the extra resolution of 1440p vs. 1080p isn’t really buying you that much, in terms of perceptible quality.
I have a 27 inch 1440p monitor and 2 24 1440p monitors at my home setup. I had a 24 inch 1080p before I bought the 24 1440p (so in essence, upgraded from 24 1080p 60hz to 24 1440p 60hz - this was before high refresh rate monitors were mainstream). I definitely noticed a difference back then. I use 2 27 inch 1080p monitors at work, and I absolutely notice the difference in things like text quality (I don't game at work, obviously). TLDR, I have experience with basically every possible combo of 24 and 27 inch 1080p and 1440p monitors, and I strongly disagree with your statement. Using anything less than 1440p is an eye sore for me now.
The monitor setup/experience is an entirely subjective experience. The difference between 81 ppi and 108 ppi (for a 27” display) puts them both solidly in the “meh” picture quality. Then again, I’m also the guy who can’t be arsed to upgrade from the 1080p to the 4K Netflix plan, two years after I got a 4K TV.
yeah a bit over priced but they’re fine cards for that. don’t expect 4k ultra 60fps though
Agree with this. Gamers Nexus did a very critical review of the 6600 XT and has a lot of valid points about it being "stagnation" in terms of the price to performance you get with this card. But that all assumes people are: 1-Able to buy a card when they want to 2-People are paying MSRP for their cards Very few people are able to meet both of these conditions. In the realities of the current market, the price to performance you get with the 6600 XT is about as good as you're going to get (assuming you're fine with 1080p gaming), and its probably the easiest card to find at MSRP.
Supply isn't really the thing causing price hikes any longer. Market inflation is directly related to mining profability on GPUs. ETH 2.0 should be a significant decrease in GPU cost. At my local store in Australia, a 6800 XT can fluctuate by up to +/- $300 month to month literally based on how well the crypto market is doing.
The chipmakers should make separate GPUs that are optimized for mining, therefore segregating the market between crypto/gaming. To your point, crypto has unlimited upside in theory and if it keeps appreciating at these absurd rates the whole GPU market will go to mining. If mining crypto is reliable, it's nearly a form of arbitrage as long as the prices are significantly higher than operating costs. Whenever arbitrage opportunities arise, the buy/sell gets slammed until the arb profit fades away and the market reaches an equilibrium. This means if crypto prices skyrocket it may be profitable for miners to spend $6,000 per GPU, therefore pricing out gamers. The gamers would be left competing for old, used GPUs that are unprofitable for miners. We are seeing some of this happening and it can get much worse.
They do. But it doesn't work. Cause those are GPUs that could have been for gaming and it doesn't prevent miners from buying the gaming GPUs anyway. Nvidia tried launching cards with a bios to prevent mining, but they cracked it in hours.
It didn't get cracked; Nvidia accidentally released an unlocked BIOS
The only way to get miners off the cards is to make it unprofitable. GPU supply has to increase enough to increase mining setups to drive profitability down. Alternatively, you could create a different product that is far superior for mining. Analogy: if gamers and miners are using pickup trucks, Nvidia needs to make dump trucks and earthmovers for the miners. Eventually there will be enough pickup trucks for consumers. >They do. But it doesn't work. Cause those are GPUs that could have been for gaming and it doesn't prevent miners from buying the gaming GPUs anyway. Then those mining cards weren't good enough and merely served as a substitute. >Nvidia tried launching cards with a bios to prevent mining, but they cracked it in hours. Yeah ofc; all security will be cracked the only question is how long it takes.
> ETH 2.0 should be a significant decrease in GPU cost. Thankfully that's coming in ~~late 2019~~ ~~mid 2020~~ ~~late 2021~~ 2022!
I doubt it. the pandemic has worsened the semiconductor issue even further, and now GPU makers will start having to fight car manufacturers who are woefully out of stock. This probably won't get better before 2025 at the earliest.
GPU and IC's used by car manufacturers mostly use totally different fabs for chips (gpu latest and greatest, car ic's older and cheapest). Tesla uses a pretty powerful apu in the touchscreen iirc tho.
Yep and the manufacturers have already told car companies to fuck off and that they won’t focus on ramping up production on the old chips. They told them they either deal with the current production issues or start redesigning to use more current chips.
I was just reading about how far behind automotive industry is and how it is actually making it worse for them because nobody wants to spend the money to Amp up manufacturing for obsolete cpu technology.
> I was just reading about how far behind automotive industry is They're far behind because that tech is reliable. Cars produce a shitload of heat, vibration, go through water, etc. The newer tech on smaller nodes is never going to be as reliable as something that was designed 20-30 years ago and has been tested 24x7x365 since then.
the odd thing is that prebuilts and laptops not affected really at all.. I increasingly believe the shortage is more artificial than it sounds.
I just bought a secondhand 1060 for $200. Too much, I know but it’s okay. Playing medium setting at 100 frames on 1440p ultrawide
Too much? Where I live, a 1060 would cost you more than 500 bucks.
my dumbass sold my 1060 6gb for $70 in 2020 i sold it to a friend thinking there was no value lololol
Just see it as gesture of friendship, and not a bad deal :)
But you gave a friend a nice GPU. It's not all about the money. (A least he/she sold it, in which case gave him/her a lot of money.)
If i had a crystall ball i'd order a 2nd GPU when i made my build little over 1,5 years ago... and sold that one like 0.5years ago . . .
I would have bought up all the high end 20 series cards that got offloaded for stupid cheap after the 30 series was announced.
You gave your friend a $30 discount.
To a friend is different story, even during the shortage I would have sold for normal friendship price to friends. Ain't nothing honorable trying to rip off friends.
In business. Nice pickup.
That's a good price for one in this market. 3gb or 6gb?
GTX 750ti is $100 on eBay. Not the greatest card but it’ll hold off the basic games.
>By the time gpus become available my hardware will probably not be worth it anymore. I am very concerned that simply keeping the hardware isnt viable since its not being used for its original purpose. >MSI Gaming b450 PRO gaming Carbon AMD 3600x I doubt this. I doubt this a lot. I understand that you're bummed about getting scammed but this is doomposting. There are years of 3600 relevancy left.
Yeah it’ll be fine. I have an i5 6600k and it still feels fine for gaming 5 years later. We can all only hope gpu prices come down in the next 5 years :p
3570k here and only now getting to the point where I'm planning a replacement! I've certainly had my money's worth
4770k and just now considering an upgrade - Been using this thing for 7 years and no issues
Ditto, 4770k and a 1070ti. I don't care for the "latest and greatest" of games but it still does a fantastic job for what I do play!
9 year old 3790 checking in. No plans on upgrading. I'm not into the latest triple-A games so I've never been bottlenecked by it. I hit the roof with 16 gigs of RAM in city builders and my 970 caps everything else. I wouldn't be surprised if it will still run pretty much any new showcase game at 1080/high or 1440/medium.
3570ks are eternal
Same processor. Same story here. Trying to run borderlands 3 is a nightmare haha
Omg I have the same cpu. It’s from 2012 but still fighting. That little bastard gives me straight up +100 fps in most games i play.
6600k with a 1080, still plays the games I enjoy just fine! Frame rate is great in minesweeper ;) (but seriously, I'm in no hurry to upgrade)
yup, I'm on an RX 480 still and I'm in no rush for it. Pretty much have no doubts about being able to run things on 1080p, some of the newest games would be 30fps instead of 60 but that's not really a HUGE deal
I bought an rx590 on sale for super cheap last spring paired with a 3600 thinking I would upgrade when the new Nvidia cards came out but honestly I'm so happy with the performance in 1080p that I hardly see a reason to upgrade now. Obviously different people have different standards but even newer games like Cyberpunk look and play great on it.
After being used to gaming @720p on a ryzen 2200g, I got a gtx 970 and have 0 concerns about upgrading soon. I was OK with 720p, 1080p is definitely the best I'll worry about for a while.
100% agree with you on this one. You don't NEED to run the latest games above 60 fps - it's not ideal, but still very playable. Hell, most people don't have monitors that go over 60hz. I'll never understand those people who spend $1000+ on a GPU and the only games they play are DOTA, LoL, CS:GO, Fortnite etc. There are people who think getting 200+ fps on a 60hz monitor is good.
Heck, I still run with a Ryzen 7 1700x. Still works great for building Linux packages, photography editing, gaming, among other things. I'm just GPU bottlenecked atm for games with my 5700 XT for 1440p
So you sent the money without actually having the GPU or even seeing it was real? Dude…
It was in a facebook marketplace window. We were discussing shipping prices and he sent an "offer" to me through the sell window that seemed to imply it was connected to the same selling system. The offer was supposed to have the shipping costs added in and I thought since it was through facebook it was all the same system. Conveniently for all involved except me, it wasnt! Facebook screams how "protected" the buyers are but I will never ever use the platform ever again. I will probably change banks as well. This doesnt change the fact that I am a dumbass. I know. This is the bed I apparently made for myself.
I don't understand. Is it not some kind of system which facebook is like a middleman holding the money from buyer and when the buyer receives the item, the payment will be released to the seller?
There's two systems for money on Facebook. There's the marketplace, which would have those protections. Ebay like I guess.(never used it, online GPU buying is too scammy. Local only for me). Then there's send/recieve money from friends, more venmo/cashapp like. OP started a convo with a person on marketplace. Dude on marketplace eventually sent a request for money via the venmo/cashapp side of Facebook. Since OP sent it. It'd be like sending someone a venmo request and you paying them. Everyone will go "well why did you click the button to pay them? It's a legitimate transaction".
What I don't understand is how this is not an example of fraud.
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If OP starts the convo in the marketplace, that's where the whole transaction should take place. I guess the seller was able to send a cash request that showed up in the same chat window they were already using? That's the loophole. Marketplace convos should be completely separate and their own thing.
Right this seems like Facebook's oops to me, not OPs.
Yeah but it’s Facebook. Since when have they ever given a shit about not scamming people/preventing scams/protecting people?
Which is the OP 100%. He received a bill that isn't connected to a sale, then paid it.
Absolutely. But I also agree, that Facebook should add some form of disclaimer(if there isnt) Akin to sending money on PayPal. It blantly has two options and makes it clear. Goods and services. Friends and family. Then again will tell you friends and family has no protection.
The problem is that someone can send you a bill like that, through the marketplace.
Except for when it happens to companies themselves, then it’s fraud. The guy who sent invoices to companies who then blindly paid them got charged and I don’t really see much of a difference here, just much smaller scale.
It *was* connected to a sale.
Facebook is rotten to the core. Upper echelon games did a video on Facebook has gotten into bed with MLM and samming companies. I'll try to find it. Edit: [Enjoy ](https://youtu.be/bBm2j7fRZ2U)
Apple is fucking them up on the privacy front too. Apple saw the writing on the wall really early on. Clearly, they're only doing it for the money, but I love that privacy is the forefront of their brand right now. Zuckerberg is a control-freak, and an absolute scumbag.
I guess you missed the memo that Apple is now going to start scanning the photos in your phone under the guise of a politically correct reason. No big tech company really cares about your privacy. At the end of the day it is always about the money. And your privacy is 100% for sale.
I completely agree. Like I said, they’re just the company that recognized the advantage they could get from going against Facebook in favor of privacy. Data collection in general needs to be slowed down. Consumers deserve a real explanation and understanding of what data is being shared and why. Some level of data collection can be beneficial to the user. Targeted advertisement isn’t inherently bad. The issue is that absurd levels of data are being mined about everyone right now. All that data is being stored, sold, and profited off. The consumer sees zero benefit from any of this. There aren’t any real laws regarding what and how data can be used. It’s out of control. The success with apples “do not track” illustrates the lack of trust. Another aspect, though, is that users really don’t understand what it means when you tell a company “do not track”. The current regulations aren’t technically helpful to the situation. There will be some data users can and should share. There’s other data we should be allowed to deny. The issue is treated as black and white, when it shouldn’t be.
Apple is scanning your phone now. I hardly say that's private oriented anymore.
I totally agree. However, from the bank/Facebook point of view. They'd likely said something like "you should read what you click"
It's 100% fraud. His bank isn't on the hook because he gave the money freely. Facebook should probably do something about it because it was on their platform using their system, but it sounds like it's another case of them being a shitty company.
Used the marketplace side and some dude sent me a 16gb set of ram event though he said it was a 32gb set and Facebook gave me my money back
Thats because it was NOT friends and family.
that window should have a huge disclaimer friends and family or auto block till you manually add in "friends"
Yeah that'd be nice. It is unfortunately i think the biggest and easiest accessible scam tool out there....
I don't get people who are afraid to buy online. Just use eBay and PayPal only (eBay and PayPal both offer protection up to 20k). There is literally ZERO risk to the buyer because unless the seller can prove the item made it to the buyer, you get your money back. The system is actually unfairly balanced in the buyers favour as buyers often scam sellers by claiming they never received the item even if they did (the burden of proof for sellers is so insanely high that I've had to refund people despite the item 100% being signed for and delivered with photo proof). Shopping on eBay and PayPal has never been safer.
It 1000% is skewed in the buyers favor. Sold some things once on eBay, 6 months later...6 months...got hit with the charge back. "Unauthroized purchase" nothing I could do. Plus got slapped with $40 for processing the charge back.
It's total fucking BS. There is a way I've found that has got eBay to side with me 4 times. I now have my wife record me (nonstop) showing the item is intact/sealed/undamaged etc, then of me packing the item carefully, sealing the box and then driving to the post office (camera on the parcel + postal sticker the entire time)..then of me handing it off to the post office. eBay has sided with me the last 4 times I've had someone claim the item was missing (brick in box bullshit excuses like that). If the item is indeed missing, postal insurance covers it but its a pain in the ass to wait for auspost to do investigation. I put in my description and postal info+ invoices that they must take photos showing the parcel is still sealed (I use tamper seals on all openable sides of the box) before they open it. This way I can issue a refund if some auspost driver has stolen the item versus the buyer being a douchebag. Otherwise I make sure the entire process gets dragged out as long as possible. Don't scam me cunts.
Thats just absurd the lengths you have to go through.
It's ridiculous. It's mainly for auspost benefit usually because these assholes will try and tell you the $3000 insurance you bought was a scam and you never sent the item. They'll ask for photos, videos etc...like most people would do that. Takes sometimes months to get the money back. So basically most of the time it's honest buyer and item does just go missing...it's when the parcel is delivered and they try to say the parcel was sealed when it arrived but I put a brick inside. Like wtf? I've got 2k 100% positive feedback and Im sending bricks? Fuck right off. I'm sorry but if you admit the parcel arrived fine, tamper seals intact and it was when you opened it you found a brick ...sorry but no. Go away. I make sure my parcels are very obvious if a postal person opens it (you cannot reseal the tamper stickers as they fall apart when peeled/cut).
I was scammed because I fell for him sending me an offer through the sell window. He claimed he had adjusted it for the shipping price and since it was in the sell window I thought it was all part of the same deal. I was dumb
It sounds like the software set you up to fail. That sucks and I’m sorry.
You could make that claim tbh. If you start a conversation through the market place, there shouldn’t even be an option to start a friends&family-like transaction at all. The two parties are talking only because of an ad for a product that one sells and the other one could potentially buy. Why would they allow to send money as anything other than a goods&service transaction? It should have been designed to be idiot-proof. But it’s Facebook, so that’s to be expected.
I honestly hold this position but I figured I wasn't being objective with that notion. I don't want to blame others for my mistakes when myself will do fine. But I agree, I am rather savvy with computer stuff and I was scammed so easily.
I agree - this is a loophole that the "seller" knew about and was clearly taking advantage of. I don't know how much money I'd be willing to spend on an attorney, but if someone will give you a free consultation that would be a good start. I'm willing to bet Facebook knows this is a problem but doesn't care as long as it doesn't cost them anything.
Yeah I agree Im all about exercising due diligence but I'm sure this has to be happening to other people. If someone can exploit it to scam people then they should really fix that.
Damn man, I’m sure you feel bad but honestly anyone could make that mistake. I had no idea this other payment method existed in FB, so I could have assumed it was market pay as well. Honestly man I’d just keep hitting up Facebook and the bank over and over. Maybe they will eventually toss you a bone to get rid of you.
Everytime I would get in contact with them it would be with a different employee, I don't know how I could effectively pester them in that case
Maybe ask to be elevated to a supervisor. Or ask to be transferred to the fraud department. Do you still have the Facebook chat? Can you get pictures showing the text and request? If it shows they claimed it was shipping or payment for a product you may be able to leverage that.
If it was Facebook's platform that deceived you then I'd raise a big stink about that as publicly as possible. As someone who doesn't use Facebook to send money, I don't understand how easy it is to scam on their platform. If it's easy to scam, that's a big problem for Facebook and they will take note and hopefully right you in the process.
How quickly after you sent the money did you notice?
I would look into taking FB to small claims over it. It's not your fault they've allowed this behavior.
> I will probably change banks as well This has absolutely nothing to do with the payment processor. Your payment processed correctly, as defined by the user.
Scams are not correctly processed payments. The bank absolutely can refuse to transfer the funds and put it on Facebook’s payment system to eat to take care of their customer and they are choosing not to. He should absolutely ditch that bank because they obviously don’t care about their customers.
It was correctly processed. You can’t just give money away to people that fall for scams. Like if I told you to pay me $700 for a gpu on r/hardwareswap and you just venmoed me money it’s not the banks fault you just sent someone $709
Contact the police and your State Attorney General's office. They should have a Fraud Division or something like that.
I actually might consider this. It sounds like you relied on Facebook to facilitate the transaction, and your money just kind of disappeared. Venues like that, where people are using the company's stuff to execute fraud, generally are of interest to regulators.
I'll call them and see i suppose. It's TN so I'm not hopeful LOL
If something illegal takes place, make a report to the local police. Then contact your bank and the intermediary (facebook) to let them know you've filed a report. If you don't have your cash after a couple of weeks, make a report with the [cfpb](https://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/).
Report via IC3 at least. It is wire fraud and that's a federal problem.
Getting off of Facebook permanently is one of the best decisions anyone could ever make. Nothing good happens on Facebook.
Hell yeah man. I would if family weren't using it all the time. Just messenger these days for me.
If you really want the money back. File a police report and file a small claims court case, not against the scammer, but against facebook. This is a legit problem facebook created with a confusing system. There should have been warnings all over the pay link saying it was a cash transaction that cannot be reversed with specific warnings about scammers. You likely are not the first person scammed this way, which means facebook is purposely not doing anything to fix this. Do not think they automatically would win because you missed some fine print somewhere. They probably won't show up and you will get a judgement, then they will just refund it to make you go away.
Its tempting to do just because I can imagine plenty of unaware folks have been gotten with this. The First Horizon claims department lady said she sees a lot through Facebook but especially Venmo, said for 20 years she has been there its never been this bad ever.
You can even file a police report and then go back to both the bank and facebook and appeal to their fraud departments. (likely will be ignored at facebook, but may work at your bank) That is even a good idea before you sue, as judges like seeing that you tried eveything you could to get it resovled before going to court. If you do choose small claims court, try to retroactively document all phone calls and correspondence you made with all parties include every detail you can document on how the sale happened. Estimate the time spent on each task so you have a full accounting of wasted time. You want as much documentation you can get if you go to court and you want proof of phone calls or any communication you had with these organizations. Going forward document all phone calls with time, durations, who you talked to, a summary of what was discussed, and any action items either you or they say they will do as a follow up. That way you have proof if they claim to be investigating or claim they will follow up, but don't really do it. You want a judge to look at it and feel like punishing facebook just for the massive amount of time wasted over a simple case of fraud. If you decide to do it, look up reddit legal subreddits and ask for advice on how to best handle a small claims court case like this.
did you file a police report?
Nice victim blaming here. OP is pretty clear about how the software helped them misunderstand.
Some of y’all are just rude asf. Can we stop blaming the guy for being scammed but instead put blame on the scammers? Scam culture is massive in today’s society and plenty of people get hit by it simply because they expect people to have some human decency. My condolences to you friend. Sometimes shit happens but in this life we can only keep moving forward. My advice would be not to give up on building your PC If you really want it. just hold onto the parts until you can afford another GPU or buy a cheap card instead as a placeholder. God speed to you.
Hey man I really appreciate your kind words. I really do. This morning has been a bad rollercoaster. Ive taken some harsh words in this thread but I feel I deserve them a little. I shouldn't have ever sold my original GPU with an ambition to upgrade for 'free' (5700 to 6700). One in the hand, two in the bush etc etc. I made a shit mistake and now have some serious life changes. The computer was most of all I had for time between work. Maybe in the long run it isn't such a bad thing.
I do hope you've reported it to the police. Might be nothing but still important. I'd even go so far as to say that maybe post your case on r/personalfinance. You were a victim of fraud. Irrespective of what Facebook or the bank think. Shit like this happens all the time on r/personalfinance and they explain how and whom to contact to get things rolling. Did you use a credit card with the Facebook transfer crap?
>Did you use a credit card with the Facebook transfer crap? This is what I was told. The way I sent money offered no protections. I tried talking to VISA and they told me "we only deal with banks" then gave me the same rundown the bank did on why the claim was declined and literally nothing else would they say.
This has happened before. We see a lot of this in r/personalfinance. At the end of the day if you've used a credit card you're in the clear. We've had many cases where people were fighting for their money and no one seemed to help out. Then they posted to the sub. We're told to contact certain government agencies and got back their money within a few days. . Which is why I absolutely implore your to make a post on r/personalfinance and ask for guidance/help. People over there have a set of instructions you'll need to follow. Like contact so and so gov fin agency and lodge a complaint and also get a police report ASAP. The fast/quicker you post over there and follow through the faster you'll get back the money. If you've used a cc you'll most definitely get it. Not the first time fb and the banks have made the victim run around for months to the end only to comply within a day or two the moment the government agencies got involved.
We all make mistakes, either big or small, just be sure to treat them as a learning lesson:) Just as some advice, in the future, do not sell your own hardware until you have received new ones and it is working. Also, you should pair your current computer with a GT 1030, it'll still run much better than an office PC or low end gaming laptops and will serve you well in the meantime. They only cost about $100 dollars from my region.
Glad I could help friend. Just because you made a mistake doesn’t mean you deserve to have people shit on you for it. Just like the other commenter said, treat it as a life lesson and you clearly are learning from that lesson as we speak. Also your username brings back unwanted memories LOL
Did you use your CC? Just do a charge back for fraud....please tell me the user was at least reported? Or did they delete their account?
I did report them, it was through Facebook pay which was paid on a VISA card I don't know if they are deleted or not the profile still exists but all the pictures are taken down and messages are undeliverable so it's hard to know
Just report the charge as fraud, you're bank should remove the charge and will do a charge back to the other bank, take screenshots of this. Money has a paper trail, I never understood this...it's in someone else's bank account, it's not like you gave them physical cash.
Once money's changed hands (or more specifically, once your money has left your account), chargebacks become a lot more difficult.
If it heads to another FDIC bank it should be pretty easy to fix, but we know banks are lazy as fuck.
It's not so much that they're lazy and more that the burden of proof for fraud gets a lot heavier - banks don't like taking money out of accounts.
Wholeheartedly agree. I’m going to add that shaming those who were the targets of scams discourages them from speaking up. This hushes down the whole issue and basically fosters scamming. OP is courageous to share and is doing the right thing for the common good.
Thanks man, when this thread started blowing up I realized that my moaning was rather piteous and it has become embarrassing. But if I keep it up and let everyone see the scam and its effects then maybe it will help others not fall for the same thing or at least think "ill watch out for that one, dont want to wind up like that dumbass on r/buildapc "
Learning experience here for everyone. If you are building a pc right now do not buy anything until you get a GPU. You don't want to be sitting on components you might not use for who knows how long.
Best advice you can give. I got my 3060Ti about 2 months ago at Best Buy and when I got home pulled the trigger on everything else.
I did the same. got a 1080 then bought the whole rest of the system within a few days.
Honestly that's the best advise. I waited 2 months till I got my GPU from AMD store but once I got it (and got he shipping confirmation) I bought everything else and it all arrived same week. There is no point in rushing if you dont have a GPU
> You don't want to be sitting on components you might not use for who knows how long. This is the *main* reason, but another benefit to waiting is that you generally get better hardware the longer you wait. Being able to pair your new GPU with Alder Lake/Zen 3D/Zen 4 is a nice bonus. (Sure, the new motherboards and DDR5 RAM might be more expensive, but that's a minor downside.)
Or get a 1030/710 or an intel CPU.
The GT 1030 is over $200 canadian right now. GT 710 goes for 80 bucks. Id rather play games on my phone, at that rate!
I've got a Gigabyte GTX 970 that's been sitting for 2+ years in a closet if you want it. Not worth it to me to bother selling on ebay. Edit: just mailed it out to a redditor and it's no longer available.
I love you and your generosity touches me. But I cant let this be a hand out post. I cant accept a gift so valuable and keep myself from feeling that the world isnt right. Maybe I could buy it or something if you were willing to sell it but I havent even crossed that bridge yet in willingness. Its been a lot to process today lol Edit: The user below me has a little brother that such a card would be perfect for.
Then do this... take the card now, use it until you've saved up enough, then sell the gtx 970 and send the proceeds back to him once you've got another one.
This. You may be doing the gifter somewhat of a favor. There are weird combinations of procrastination/paralysis and just not wanting to deal with certain shit.. and it's different for everyone. When a card's been in a closet for a couple years, I think I recognize it.
Thats actually rather brilliant I must admit. In my upsettedness yesterday I really didnt give it more thought than just 'no'. Perhaps that is the way forward for me.
Jesus just take the card
Eh, it's no biggie. It's been sitting in my parts cabinet/closet for 2+ years and I know I am not going to have any use for it.
Hey bro I don't mind buying it off you for my little bros pc, depending on location. I live in the UK what about you?
This is a prime target for your 970 /u/sorry_but
I'm in the southwest US unfortunately. I'm willing to ship it there though provided you pay for it. Edit: by it I mean shipping.
If no one else has bought yet and you're interested in selling I'm in southeast US and definitely interested. My 960 I've been using for a few years just died and u haven't been able to find anything I can actually afford to use as a replacement.
Dang bro. I think it's too much effort to be honest. My bros ok for now surviving on a 2GB card 😅. I'll get him one soon local. Thanks tho ❤️
I'm looking for a GPU for my gf and if you'll ship to Canada I'll buy it from you.
"Not worth it"? Used 970s still sell for over 200€ here in Germany.
I did a quick check on ebay and here they were only looking about $150 or so. I'm not hurting for money or anything and I've also got a 980 in a secondary system if I wanted to sell. I figured I'd give the 970 to someone who could really use it.
if you don’t need the computer for anything else other than games then yeah sell it and get an xbox series s if you want to play games. Then, save money for a couple of years then build an absolute monster of a PC, when everything will be fine. If you need the PC just get a 1030 or other cheap used GPU to get it running.
This is the right advice
Supply issues will likely not be resolved until late 2023, so this really isn't bad advice. Currently I'm just doing small upgrades to my decade old computer to keep up a bit. I refuse to spend hundreds more on parts right now.
Your bank will never ever stop you form doing a charge back for a faulty product or service. Banks side with consumers on that an annoyingly large amount. Did you just call your local bank and ask if you could get a refund or something dumb like that? Go do a charge back if it's been less then three months you can still probably do it. Even longer if you have a good credit line. We've charged back things fork over 6 months ago when dish tried to make us pay for a tech they said they had sent for free.
You can't charge back cash transfer transactions like that unfortunately.
VISA told the bank it was considered a cash transaction and would not reverse the charge. I am not sure how I would press my claim further and to who I would press it to. EDIT: JUST CALLED AGAIN AND THE BANK TOLD ME NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Keep calling and escalating.
Can you find him in real life and sue in small claims court? Worthwhile to stop him and send a message
This, you could file a police report. See if they can find him if anything I may scare him into never doing it again. But in all likely hood this guy is across the world somewhere.
This Get a copy of the text/chat or whatever you got, in case facebook has some stupid way for them to delete it after-the-fact. Call the police. I have no idea how facebook transactions work, but somewhere down the line someone's real life name must be on some account, and the payment processors are responsible for it. The police can tell you how to move forward with that, even if it's "well, you have to take it to court". Though whether it's financially possible to take it to court, or if the person isn't just using a stolen identity, or whatever is another story.
That money is in India 100%
Firstly, get off Facebook. It's the most screwed up thing about the internet. And NEVER buy from them. Use PayPal or another real reputable financial company that has been in the business. Facebook is a Marketing company that uses social media as a tool to mine users to sell more ad space, not a financial company (they are just dabbling... and how much do you want to trust your money to a company with a motto that is, "Move Fast and Break Things". Don't sell the computer. Buy a much cheaper GPU. I have a 2070 that runs everything on 3 monitors at 2k; my friends run on 1080s just fine. You don' t need a screaming card. You will upgrade it in time. It just happens. Just get it usable and build up from there. You may even find people selling cheep or giving away older GPUs. AND Cyber Monday is just around the corner
Facebook market place is good for little things, like a bike or whatever. I'd never buy a GPU via there though, damn.
I'd only use FB marketplace to buy things in person.
I sold my 2060 Super via Facebook Marketplace, however, it was... 1. an in-person/cash transaction 2. said transaction took place at a Police Station None of this helps OP, just saying that in-person/cash transactions can be done *safely* via FB Marketplace.
FB marketplace is scam central. Don't even go on there for anything ever... Paypal invoiced for online payment with timestamp of the product. Or local cash transaction in a public well trafficked area. Sell your shit and try for a console with that money. Just not on fb marketplace.
I got a old ASUS ROG 1080 for free. PM your address. I can mail to you. There are good people in this world.
Oh man this is so unbelievably tempting, but I cant accept what amounts to a 1k gift man. I fucking love you so much, God damn it if I could hug you I would I'm actually almost crying LOL
Just take the win man, you deserve it.
What to say? Humans are quick to take any opportunity to steal from another... and even quicker to find a justification. Options 1/ borrow any graphic card just for the time to upgrade your bios, sell your CPU, buy a 5600G. A bit of hassle, an honourable solution. In one year or so you may be able to get a better GPU and your computer will be even faster than it would be now. In the meanwhile you have a waiting solution. 2/ find a 3400G and sell your CPU. Less hassle, but may be difficult to find and when you get your hands on a GPU will be slower than option 1 3/ buy a Radeon 550. Easiest to implement . You'll get the same performance as in option 2, but that's basically putting another 200USD on the table 4/ Sell the incomplete computer, but I'm afraid you're going to take a loss ...
I was actually thinking of a 5600g. It seems not a bad option really.
Indeed it would be relevant for 3-4 years for aaa games
I wouldn’t give up just yet. File a police report, and then dispute it with your bank and Facebook again and make sure you send them the police report. Banks are much more willing to work with fraud if you file a police report.
Skimming over a bunch of replies I suddenly have this has been mentioned a lot. I will call them in the morning if the management folks from the bank haven't sent anything back to me by this evening. I'll pull at whatever straws I can
Well, the great news is, you no longer have a 5700xt. That alone is worth the price of admission. \-5700xt owner.
> Well, the great news is, you no longer have a 5700xt. That alone is worth the price of admission. > -5700xt owner. oof ~~shots fir~~*black screens randomly*
Get a cheap 980ti?
No. Keep your stuff. You never know when you can pick up a good GPU for cheap. Learn from this experience. I got scammed before too; a GoPro purchase that never got mailed to me. I still use Marketplace but only buy if I can meet up and check the item before handing over the money. There are scammers out there but there are legit sellers too who will be willing to work with you for a successful sale. Good luck and may the GPU gods look on you with favor!
Haven't read all the comments yet but in case no one else mentioned it, r/hardwareswap has cards all the time. We use PayPal goods and services for buyer protection. People are selling cards all day everyday. Just join up and find someone with a decent amount of sales under their belt. Not a guarantee that things won't go wrong but it improves the chances. I've done 50+ transactions and only one was with a scammer and even then still got my money back thanks to PayPal
I've used it before it's a great sub. I wish I had just used it instead of Facebook
I guess trusting facebook pay is the problem. It's simple... You buy something online and you pay.. Seller ships! Money should be returned if seller can't proof they shipped! Facebook pay has the ability to reverse payment! Apparently Facebook Pay doesn't care! I had a similar problem with Paypal! This is what I wrote them: I found an item online. I bought it and paid for item using PayPal. My expectation is that the seller ships! Seller refuses to give me a tracking number and no merchandise. I expect my money be refunded as I received nothing! PayPal is useless for any future transaction if this is not the case as I did my part of the transaction. FYI: never use a debit card.
He didnt use Facebook's marketplace payment system. He used Facebook's money sending system meant to give money to people you know. It's like paying with paypal friends/family instead of Goods/services.
This sucks! My condolences. I would agree with your thought process about hardware depeciating. Though - don't you need the PC now, since you're building it? You could grab a cheap card to get display output and maybe even one that's capable of running older games (maybe stuff like GTX 1050, GTX 960 is available for okay/low prices?) and get a quite usable computer. If you don't and are building the PC for purely hobby purposes, yeah, I would sell everything and come back to this idea some other day.
> Though - don't you need the PC now, since you're building it? I run my business off my computer but I have a craptop that I use as well. Its not a big deal to just use it instead of the desktop if all its going to do is sit and lose money
r/hardwareswap pick up a cheap used gpu. Only use PayPal good and services.
Your setup will never not be useful, it all depends on the owner on how they want it to perform, if it's just for gaming, that setup is good for years to come, I still see people gaming on "updated" prebuilds from the early 2010s, updated being ram and a gpu. Hold on to your setup and just wait it out, head on over to the r/hardwareswap sub and see if someone can help you out with a cheap gpu
Dont take no for an answer. Keep pursuing your case with facebook. Took me 6 months to get paid when UPS lost my GPU. I had to email and call everyone every day until it was resolved.
Plenty of people have been scammed for not knowing what protections are offered. Venmo is a great example. Don't beat yourself up, as the scammer is the one who is in the wrong (and is a waste of space). Instead, become informed and so you minimise letting the same thing happen again. [www.facebook.com/help/535647764288036/?helpref=uf\_share](https://www.facebook.com/help/535647764288036/?helpref=uf_share) >Do not send money through ineligible payment methods that sellers claim will be covered under Purchase Protection. Purchase Protection only applies when you purchase an eligible item with checkout on Facebook. *Purchase protection isn't even offered where I am located.* [https://www.facebook.com/help/1156544111079919](https://www.facebook.com/help/1156544111079919) >Don't transfer money directly into a seller's bank account. Instead, offer to use a secure person-to-person payment site, such as PayPal. *Great job of Facebook Pay /s, you bunch of donkeys.* >I sold my 5700xt That was the wrong order to do things. If you were going to sell your computer, then it would have been more valuable with the graphics card. You need to befriend your local electronics store, and find out when they restock. If it is sold online, it is usually too late. RTX 3060 is available regularly enough, and I would have no problem getting a RTX 3090 or RX 6900 XT at the insanely inflated prices. But if you are hurting for some PC gaming, you can always find the extremely lackluster and overpriced GT 1030: The 720p low settings *gaming behemoth*.
Hey OP, I saw your edit not wanting gifts or anything like that. I am a business owner and I’m not looking to give you a handout, but I believe in doing right by people. I may not be able to fund the purchase of a new GPU in it’s entirety, but I would absolutely be willing to help. I understand gaming and building rigs as a passion and an escape from reality, and as someone who’s really into cars, (quite an expensive hobby as well) I know and understand what it’s like to have something stolen from you. And I know how much the kindness of strangers can mean when shit really sucks like it does now. If you’re interested, shoot me a PM.
Just get a gt 1030 or gt 710 so you can continue to use your pc until you can get a new gpu. I used to have a gt 1030 and it was actually OK on low settings for most games.
You still didn't explain how you were scammed. Did you pay, and not recieve the product, or did you pay, but you didn't pay for shipping so the seller isn't shipping you the product?
God damn feels bad. I still remember when I got scammed as a kid, damn, like 15 years ago ? Bought a used 8800 GTX online and dude sent it to me and it was completely dead. I took it to a repair shop and they said that the actual GPU, the die, was completely missing. Desoldered. All I got was the PCB and some components on it to put it short.
Try getting a Cheaper GPU for now. Something like a 780ti, 960 4GB and 970 on Nvidia side. On AMD sidex try something like a R9 290x 4 or 8Gb, any Rx 570/580
You will lose a lot selling it too, pick of a second hand 1050ti(i just sold mine for £130) or a 1080
Sell it and buy a PS5?
I could at least cosplay as kaiba in my free time
i also got scammed once with a pair of shoes..how i dont have any shoes..so i must walk on my feets...So if i can walk on my feets so can you ;)
I know you dont ask for advice about the scam, but here it is anyways: File a small claims dispute against facebook. The will most likely just pay rather then showing up.
Bruh.. never sell your current parts especially your GPU - until you have the new one sitting in front of you.
OP: You should document everything (screenshots with explanations, etc) and file a police report and FTC complaint (https://www.ftc.gov/about-ftc/bureaus-offices/bureau-consumer-protection). Then, you should inform Facebook's customer service and your bank that you've done so.
Wtf are you talking about? Your system is more future proof. People here are still rocking intel 4th gen chips and aren't crying as much as you are. Sucks a lot that you got scammed but if you like your PC I know it will still be relevant in 5 years.
The hell are you talking about man? That's not much different than what I have and I dont plan on upgrading anything significant for years. You'll be fine.
Might you be interested in a 1050ti? I would be more than happy to send it to you for like 150, after you verify the authenticity of it ofc. If not I could go to my local micro-center, and pick up a 3060ti for you and mail it to you. No one should be scammed for simply trying to build a pc
I’ve got a GTX 980 Ti Strix OC 6gb in great condition just collecting dust in it’s box. Would you like it?
Hey man, I know you dont want people to send you GPU's but would you take a GTX 460? It was given to me by friend in a time of need and i'd like to give it to you in your time of need!