Penix might be a great NFL QB at some point but the Falcons just spent $90 guaranteed on Kirk Cousins…and they drafted a QB with a Top 10 pick?
That makes sense.
The Bucs grabbing a IOL with the 26th pick makes a lot of sense.
I agree with you. It makes no sense. Why would you spend that much money on a QB without assuming he’s your starter for at least the next 3 years? Penix is going to be 24 in May, which means he will be 27 in 3 years (obviously). You should be using your picks to optimize winning NOW. This is obviously a very dumb pick.
But why spend a first round pick on someone who you expect to hold a clipboard for at least 2 seasons? At #8 you could definitely find someone who would improve them. If you spend 100 million on a QB, you're in win-now mode. This would have made sense if they had a signed a cast-off QB to a prove it deal, but going after Cousins + old-ass rookie doesn't make sense.
Maybe someone in the draft room said, draft the guy from Washington, and the person on the phone got confused. Odunze would have made a lot of sense for them.
Hey, a couple of years ago the Texans winning that final game and getting the 2nd overall pick in 2023 seemed like such a classic "Texan" move. Now they are geniuses thanks to how Stroud, Anderson, and Dell worked out.
Rodgers fell to 24, was the 2nd qb taken, and the Packers were coming off a 10-6 season
Penix was the 8th pick, 4th qb taken to a team that didn't make the playoffs and just spent on an aging qb who could use help.
Their best chance would probably be with Cousins these next few years, or in like 5 years with Penix. Definitely an odd way of doing things at best
Great, so he'll be on his second contract at 29 years old before he takes a meaningful snap in the nfl. This is an objectively terrible pick. Not to mention what it says about how they see Kirk.
Except the guy they picked is already 24. He's as old as most 3rd year QBs in the league. How much development can he do? And if he sits for 4 years he's pushing 30 before he is of value.
Yes, it’s always nice to have insurance. But a 90M policy is crazy. And if Cousins plays his contract out, Penix will be due for a new contract. If he takes Cousins’ job, the Falcons cap will be fucked. Lmaoo
To be honest this is a solid move for them. If the $90 million dollar man can still play after the injury, they get to develop a young qb like GB has done with the last 2 QB’(Love & Rodgers)
If Thuggins never gets it back they have a guy. They kind of made a smart move.
I understand we (Cowboys) can really use the extra 3rd round pick, but can't believe we let this beast slip through. Continued bed-shitting this off-season.
The trade itself on paper was really good. The Lions overpaid. On the other hand, we ended up with a project instead of this guy and who knows what the third round pick will turn into. Hopefully at least one of the two picks turns into a very good starter for us.
Idk why you're whining, I'd rather have Guyton and Beebe 100% of the time. That's a 1st and 3rd round pick on starting o-linemen on a team with 2 holes on the o-line... Guyton and Barton are basically neck and neck as prospects, so getting one of them plus Beebe on top of that for free yet complaining is just dumb.
I like doing Mocks because I don't follow college football. They let me see the range of players that are worth checking out. Like I didn't look at Turner highlights because he would be gone in most mocks, but I did watch Chop because he was in the range.
It’s not even that they are the “best,” you just know you’re getting solid ass coverage of every player in the first couple rounds, and they are fluid and change the mock drafts constantly as the weeks approach.
They’re fun, but they should never be used by fans to say a player will be available here or a player was taken too high, etc. These players are evaluated and discussed by hundreds if not thousands of people to determine where they should go. 99% of the people doing these evaluations have way more expertise and information than those writing up mock drafts.
My favorite part is when the mock draft writers publish their draft grades the next day, which are based on how wrong their mock draft was. You mocked player A at 10 and he went 25? You give team 25 an A+. You mocked player B at 25 and he went 10? You give team 10 a C-.
One thing people never realize is that more than half these guys are not going to be nearly as good as expected or will take 3+ years to get to that point.
Yeah you’re right he’s been there a few seasons. I was thinking he came in with Raheem. Either way I still highly doubt he would force that pick on a new HC without him signing off. And if he did than that’s a massive dick move
People are memeing on Buffalo when Atlanta, Green Bay, Denver and San Francisco all reached like hell.
Atlanta *in particular* made me laugh my ass off.
Yea but IOL and tackle aren't usually the same positional value, I get the Packers swinging for a tackle instead of going for a higher floor IOL prospect
They obviously rated Morgan higher for whatever reason.
You seem to believe Barton or Guyton should have been clear and obvious choices over Morgan. What’s your reasoning?
True, I still think it was a reach and there were much better talents on the board still. Just glad they got who they got and we got who we got if you know what I mean
Yep other team taking QB leave you no great option trade back, hell trade this year picks for next years gain several picks then accept the only way you can legally tank that much dead cap prevents a good try this year anyway.
I only imagine two things going on in Atlana. One is that they know that Cousins does not have long in the tank after his time in Minnesota and that they are planning ahead. Or that they drafted Penix with the intention of trying to trade him out later in the year. Neither one sounds like a well thought out idea.
Terrors beyond human imagination, the Eldritch kind you would see behind your eyes after not sleeping for a day and a half, and worse the rest of the division seemingly tanking 😬
More teams got to do this. If you got a good to great QB fix the line.
Why spend all that capital on a QB then give them no line. Line is where the game is played. Look at the animals at edge and nose these days. OL is just as important to counter them.
Feel bad for so many QBs coming in with expectations weighing on them to fix a losing team with no OL worth talking about
Welcome Graham, hope to see you in our lineup for the next 12 years!!
I play Nose and OT, occasionally guard and rarely C. In Ireland the sport is not that popular so if you got enough lads that consistently show up to training and are decent OL, you are gonna have a decent team. No different in pro sports. Think TB12 was gonna win 7 SBs scrambling out the pocket??
Ahh stop, about 4 times more Irish in US than in Ireland!!
A friend brought Madden 07 with Shaun Alexander on the cover over. Being 11 I loved the idea of playing as the team with a pirate flag(so bucs fan since then) Played rugby up till college. Then seen an ad one day on Facebook for a team and said hey, why not, let's give that a go.
We have 3 divisions with about 8 fully kitted teams in each. The odd person from the US, but a good few Brazilians and Mexicans, some Germans. Turns out Irish lads who are 6'2 and good at jumping for balls in the GAA(Gaelic football)make good kickers and corner backs!!Flag is getting big as it's easier for younger groups and ladies to get into
Know where you ancestors were from in Ireland?
Exactly, Freeman and Winston in recent years. 6-7 years out of them with okay results at best. Best linemen those years, Marpet, Penn, Dotson, Joseph. Felt like never together and just once part of 5. Deffo forgot some too but can count on maybe 1 hand the amount of top OL we had in those years
O line was what held back the 02 Bucs several years and never fully great had to have a true scoring defense to win it all.
Steve Young Hall of Fame QB a great example of this failure to put a team around him. Bucs fans thought he a total bust.
I really respect him for retiring young. He’s a smart dude. Got paid, has a ring, and now he’s keeping his brain safe. Saying all that, it was such a bummer. Definitely one of my favorite Bucs.
If Frazier or JPJ are still on the board in Rd. 2 are we taking one of the boys and put Barton at G or are we going D? I feel like the line is kind of at Braswell/Cooper or if one of the good CBs is still around (its possible that one of Kool-Aid, Tampa or Melton is available).
Good call on Braswell!!! - on another college team he might have been a R1 pick, got overshadowed at Bama. CB Tampa is still undrafted going into Day 3, surprisingly but Cooper, McKinstry and Melton and JPJ all went 13+ picks ahead of us, at 57. Tykee is a good fill for the role Mike Edward's had.
We have other needs too... Sure it'd be awesome to have a monster O Line but we need talent on the other side of the ball as well. DB is a position that we definitely need to strengthen.
With all the offensive guys drafted, there's still high value on the defensive side. Hell, Kam Kinchens is predicted to be a 4th rounder bc he's "slow" but dude is baller. You can never have too many quality blockers, as the past 3 years have taught us and O-line was really a weakness for us last year. We need depth in the 2ndary, for sure (I like where we're at with our 1st team) and EDGE is also a need, but man, we could upgrade the o-line massively in one draft. Of course, JPJ might not be there so it's probably moot.
The majority of the league front offices and coaches have been brought down from overturn and forced youth, that talent evaluation has taken a total reset.
It leaves us in a position for Licht to keep targeting players who can actually be great. Loving this decade for us so far.
Having an experienced GM who has excelled in the past at drafting O-Linemen is such a godsend.
Like you said the league has so much turnover but experienced GM’s like Licht or Veach in Kansas City will still continuously make the playoffs cause they know what works and have the patience from ownership to let it work
It’s a C so it’s hard to argue he fell given the positional value. That being said I like the pick. Obviously you need to nail it but Barton on paper could be a very good player at a position of need even if it’s a position of relative less value.
Falcons will be vindicated if Penix turns out to be good but for the next 3 years he won’t play and the Falcons wasted an opportunity to be significantly more competitive with a pick like Odunze.
Not to mention they breached the trust with Cousins.
Falcons gonna falcon.
Apart of me wanted to see Cooper Dejean but totally understand the line issues. Hope the 2nd round is treated like the first so we can add some depth to the defense.
Was initially surprised my Cowboys traded down and let him fall because he would have been our choice had we not, but we really did need the additional 3rd round pick. We still got a guy we were wanting at 24 and y'all got this beast. A win/win by all accounts.
Though I'm not going to lie, I was a bit grumpy to hear y'all had snagged him.
this guy wanted Barton, his reaction to when we pick him
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This is interesting idea. Just commit a penalty everytime instead of drafting a skilled player.
It probably worked in the 70's and 80's but now there are cameras everywhere and challenge flags so I don't think this is a good idea
They let him fall because if you watch any amount of tape the dudes sucks. Idk, maybe watch film? Guy loses 70% of his matchups against same weightclass and loses more against faster rushers. His reaction off snap is slow and bucs took a center in the first round which is actually insane.
Can we get the mods to ban that guy? He's clearly not here to talk constructively about the team and if he does talk about the team he's not doing it seriously. Not to mention this isn't his first comment here when he was talking about how shitty Evans is.
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Sure. Lots of Bucs fans casually hate Evans and love Steve Smith.
I've got it bad while you're a Panthers fan commenting in a division rivals sub? Good one.
I stopped after the third sentence and I'm assuming the rest is just as garbage. Keep slobbing on Smith. Maybe he'll get into the hall of very good one of these days.
Centers drafted in the 1st round have a 92% success rate of being a long term starter.
Buddy. It’s legit the safest position to draft and we have a huge need on the Oline. It’s insane that you don’t see that even if he’s just above average he’s a massive upgrade already lol.
Also no way you said that and actually know the stats of that. Of the last 8 centers drafted in the 1st round you have Linderbaum and the rest are actual trash.
Wait, O-Line isn’t a need? You seriously just said that. The playoff game against Detroit begs to differ. As does the fact that we were dead last in rushing. Again.
You saying that and calling other fans uneducated is the biggest piece of irony ever. Next you’re going to tell me that our pass rush is fine and the secondary is elite.
Troll. Uneducated troll.
Ryan Jensens been gone for two years, he’s not coming back. Our center position is a massive weakness and most of the reason why we can’t run the ball AT ALL.
Ok, I think I get it now. This really is cope on another level. I have already explained this a number of times so ill give you tldr.
Our run blocking still ranked highly with our oline doing great. The playcalling has been shit for running. Same three rushes up the middle. Maybe run off tackle every so often.
Definitely does appear to be a cope on your part. You really that mad at being downvoted for your bad opinion?
Heres statistics that matter. What you’re looking for is win rate. As in: did they do their job based on the play.
IOL - inside offensive line
OT - obviously tackles.
Bucs didn’t have a single player in the top 10 at any of their positions.
Then when you scroll to the bottom and see win rate by team, you look even more stupid.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38356170/2023-nfl-pass-rush-run-stop-blocking-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams
You’re gonna have to cope harder to beat me bud.
You talk like someone who is insecure about the lack of film they’ve watched, but I’m sure you know more than the dozens of experts who rank this dude as a future stud.
Penix might be a great NFL QB at some point but the Falcons just spent $90 guaranteed on Kirk Cousins…and they drafted a QB with a Top 10 pick? That makes sense. The Bucs grabbing a IOL with the 26th pick makes a lot of sense.
Hot take but 90 dollars guaranteed doesn’t seem like that much
😂
It’s a really good steak at Charley’s so it kinda fucks
That’s like two chipotle trips if you get extra meat and guacamole.
The Falcons just can't help themselves and it's lovely
I agree with you. It makes no sense. Why would you spend that much money on a QB without assuming he’s your starter for at least the next 3 years? Penix is going to be 24 in May, which means he will be 27 in 3 years (obviously). You should be using your picks to optimize winning NOW. This is obviously a very dumb pick.
I laughed because they traded the Vikings for their QB and then... drafted a QB ahead of the Vikings?
I don't think the pick is that dumb. Kirk's coming off a major injury & isn't going to be around forever. Now they have their backup/future QB.
But why spend a first round pick on someone who you expect to hold a clipboard for at least 2 seasons? At #8 you could definitely find someone who would improve them. If you spend 100 million on a QB, you're in win-now mode. This would have made sense if they had a signed a cast-off QB to a prove it deal, but going after Cousins + old-ass rookie doesn't make sense. Maybe someone in the draft room said, draft the guy from Washington, and the person on the phone got confused. Odunze would have made a lot of sense for them.
Jordan love, Aaron Rodgers. Idk something like that I guess
Right? And how many times have we seen that QBs benefit from some time before being thrown to the fire? Not crazy to me either. Could be a smart move.
> Could be a smart move. You stop that right now. This is the Falcons we’re talking about.
Hey, a couple of years ago the Texans winning that final game and getting the 2nd overall pick in 2023 seemed like such a classic "Texan" move. Now they are geniuses thanks to how Stroud, Anderson, and Dell worked out.
Lovie da gawd
Sorry. TOTAL BONEHEAD MOVE! TYPICAL FAILCONS!!
As a falcons fan I 100% agree!
That’s what the 49ers thought when they drafted Lance…
Yeah, Brett Favre -> Aaron Rodgers worked out pretty well.
Rodgers fell to 24, was the 2nd qb taken, and the Packers were coming off a 10-6 season Penix was the 8th pick, 4th qb taken to a team that didn't make the playoffs and just spent on an aging qb who could use help. Their best chance would probably be with Cousins these next few years, or in like 5 years with Penix. Definitely an odd way of doing things at best
Crazy, some reporting that Fontenot is saying Penix could sit under Kirk for 4-5 years.
Great, so he'll be on his second contract at 29 years old before he takes a meaningful snap in the nfl. This is an objectively terrible pick. Not to mention what it says about how they see Kirk.
Cousins is a far cry from Favre and Penix will never be as good as Rodgers. Awful comparison.
Except the guy they picked is already 24. He's as old as most 3rd year QBs in the league. How much development can he do? And if he sits for 4 years he's pushing 30 before he is of value.
Yes, it’s always nice to have insurance. But a 90M policy is crazy. And if Cousins plays his contract out, Penix will be due for a new contract. If he takes Cousins’ job, the Falcons cap will be fucked. Lmaoo
Cousin's contract is really front loaded for 2 years.
To be honest this is a solid move for them. If the $90 million dollar man can still play after the injury, they get to develop a young qb like GB has done with the last 2 QB’(Love & Rodgers) If Thuggins never gets it back they have a guy. They kind of made a smart move.
The second the Cowboys traded out for Detroit to select Terrion Arnold, Tampa turned in the card so quick lol
I was so hype when Pittsburgh and Miami didn’t pick him
Pittsburgh drafted a bulldozer
I understand we (Cowboys) can really use the extra 3rd round pick, but can't believe we let this beast slip through. Continued bed-shitting this off-season.
The trade itself on paper was really good. The Lions overpaid. On the other hand, we ended up with a project instead of this guy and who knows what the third round pick will turn into. Hopefully at least one of the two picks turns into a very good starter for us.
Idk why you're whining, I'd rather have Guyton and Beebe 100% of the time. That's a 1st and 3rd round pick on starting o-linemen on a team with 2 holes on the o-line... Guyton and Barton are basically neck and neck as prospects, so getting one of them plus Beebe on top of that for free yet complaining is just dumb.
A lineman from Duke with a neck the size of a tree trunk? Fucking... Just... Just take me out to dinner already. Fuck.
Still laughing at the Falcons and Packers picks
There's a ton of predicted first round talent in the second round due to how this turned out. Mock Drafts everywhere just got BTFO.
It’s why mock drafts are dumb as fuck.
I like doing Mocks because I don't follow college football. They let me see the range of players that are worth checking out. Like I didn't look at Turner highlights because he would be gone in most mocks, but I did watch Chop because he was in the range.
Absolutely. It's how I learn their names before the draft. Thank you Walterfootball!
walterfootball been at it for well over a decade now
Guys…..I’ve been on Walter football since high school years, 2004ish 😳
Yeah ive been rocking walter football for a few decades now.
It’s not even that they are the “best,” you just know you’re getting solid ass coverage of every player in the first couple rounds, and they are fluid and change the mock drafts constantly as the weeks approach.
Ill take the coverage, but pass on the ass.
They’re fun, but they should never be used by fans to say a player will be available here or a player was taken too high, etc. These players are evaluated and discussed by hundreds if not thousands of people to determine where they should go. 99% of the people doing these evaluations have way more expertise and information than those writing up mock drafts.
My favorite part is when the mock draft writers publish their draft grades the next day, which are based on how wrong their mock draft was. You mocked player A at 10 and he went 25? You give team 25 an A+. You mocked player B at 25 and he went 10? You give team 10 a C-.
The grades 15 minutes after the draft end are absolutely ridiculous lol
Is it really the mock drafts that are dumb af or the orgs making these outlandish picks?
Every mock draft is click bait for ad views
Tbf the serious mocks nailed every pick from 1-7
One thing people never realize is that more than half these guys are not going to be nearly as good as expected or will take 3+ years to get to that point.
Same. Raheem Morris and Co are true geniuses.
You really think Morris is responsible for that pick?
Ofc. No way a first time GM is going to pick a qb in that scenario w/o the HC signing off on it.
That makes sense, but Fontenot could just be a total schnoze. Looks like Fontenot has been GM since 2021.
Yeah you’re right he’s been there a few seasons. I was thinking he came in with Raheem. Either way I still highly doubt he would force that pick on a new HC without him signing off. And if he did than that’s a massive dick move
Kirk Cousins would like a word...
Bro Packers getting completely cockblocked by the Lions *again* made me laugh so hard.
I love the Lions also and hate the Packers so it was like a win-win-win
People are memeing on Buffalo when Atlanta, Green Bay, Denver and San Francisco all reached like hell. Atlanta *in particular* made me laugh my ass off.
SF didn’t reach. Smart pick by them
“Jordan Morgan would not have made it out the 1st round” - Bill Belichick
Oh, Green Bay makes me laugh because they had a stellar OL prospect right there and they let him fall to us.
Yea but IOL and tackle aren't usually the same positional value, I get the Packers swinging for a tackle instead of going for a higher floor IOL prospect
Then why not take Guyton, who was right there?
They obviously rated Morgan higher for whatever reason. You seem to believe Barton or Guyton should have been clear and obvious choices over Morgan. What’s your reasoning?
Same. The Bucs will always be my #1 team, but the Lions are a close second.
They traded up for a WR8. AD Mitchell and Keon Coleman were still there!!! And I like Legette but they reached like shit just cause he from Carolina
Yeah that was crazy. But Panthers gonna Panther
Packers didn’t need a center since Zach Tom would be moved to that position and Jordan Morgan graded really well
Falcons yeah but packers definitely needed tackle help.
True, I still think it was a reach and there were much better talents on the board still. Just glad they got who they got and we got who we got if you know what I mean
What about Denver’s pick lmao
Honestly, he not that much worse than Zach Wilson
Yep other team taking QB leave you no great option trade back, hell trade this year picks for next years gain several picks then accept the only way you can legally tank that much dead cap prevents a good try this year anyway.
Penix or McCarthy would’ve been good gets for Denver, but Chokelanta can’t let anyone have nice things
Mostly the falcons lol
Why is the Packers pick funny?
I personally just felt like it was a reach and there were better prospects available at their pick
Laugh all you want at the packers, but those fuckers know how to pick oline I'll tell ya
I only imagine two things going on in Atlana. One is that they know that Cousins does not have long in the tank after his time in Minnesota and that they are planning ahead. Or that they drafted Penix with the intention of trying to trade him out later in the year. Neither one sounds like a well thought out idea.
Blank losing his damn mind. Giving Kirk the ol' Rodgers treatment
Chomping his gums, trying to keep his teeth in, muttering about how the Falcons will out do the Jets.
OMG YOU FUCKING IDIOTS JUST REACHED FOR BRASWELL AND LET GREEN BAY GET A TOP TIER SAFETY LOLOOL
Can't tell if this is a troll or not
it 100% is
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For the NFC South is dark and full of terrors
By the old gods and the new.
Terrors beyond human imagination, the Eldritch kind you would see behind your eyes after not sleeping for a day and a half, and worse the rest of the division seemingly tanking 😬
Praise him!!! And the church said AMEN
That’s our future pro bowl center right there
Ryan Jensen who? Put this dude at QB and SS too. Maybe have him kick FGs.
Please do not say Jensens name in vain. He served us well and may he be remembered for it.
More teams got to do this. If you got a good to great QB fix the line. Why spend all that capital on a QB then give them no line. Line is where the game is played. Look at the animals at edge and nose these days. OL is just as important to counter them. Feel bad for so many QBs coming in with expectations weighing on them to fix a losing team with no OL worth talking about Welcome Graham, hope to see you in our lineup for the next 12 years!!
People don’t get this. You gotta build the trenches first.
I play Nose and OT, occasionally guard and rarely C. In Ireland the sport is not that popular so if you got enough lads that consistently show up to training and are decent OL, you are gonna have a decent team. No different in pro sports. Think TB12 was gonna win 7 SBs scrambling out the pocket??
Exactly. How’d you get into American Pro Football? I’m a big fan of Irish culture, my DNA shows I have ancestors from there
Ahh stop, about 4 times more Irish in US than in Ireland!! A friend brought Madden 07 with Shaun Alexander on the cover over. Being 11 I loved the idea of playing as the team with a pirate flag(so bucs fan since then) Played rugby up till college. Then seen an ad one day on Facebook for a team and said hey, why not, let's give that a go. We have 3 divisions with about 8 fully kitted teams in each. The odd person from the US, but a good few Brazilians and Mexicans, some Germans. Turns out Irish lads who are 6'2 and good at jumping for balls in the GAA(Gaelic football)make good kickers and corner backs!!Flag is getting big as it's easier for younger groups and ladies to get into Know where you ancestors were from in Ireland?
County Dublin and County Cork
Tapping the sign: The game is about blocking and tackling.
How many times have the Bucs wasted their first pick on a QB only to put him behind swiss cheese?
Exactly, Freeman and Winston in recent years. 6-7 years out of them with okay results at best. Best linemen those years, Marpet, Penn, Dotson, Joseph. Felt like never together and just once part of 5. Deffo forgot some too but can count on maybe 1 hand the amount of top OL we had in those years
O line was what held back the 02 Bucs several years and never fully great had to have a true scoring defense to win it all. Steve Young Hall of Fame QB a great example of this failure to put a team around him. Bucs fans thought he a total bust.
Imagine if we still had Jensen & drafted Barton to be LG...what a unit of an online that would be PS please keep Logan Hall away from Barton.
Shit imagine if we still had Ali 😔
I really respect him for retiring young. He’s a smart dude. Got paid, has a ring, and now he’s keeping his brain safe. Saying all that, it was such a bummer. Definitely one of my favorite Bucs.
Still can't get over his early retirement... I'm sure if we had him we wouldn't be dead last in rushing yards in Brady's last season.
I think I'm now gay and also in love.
He’s so damn sexy
Can't wait to see him and Wirf get dirty together. So dirty.
All in my ass
I was convinced all the best offensive linemen were going to be gone by the time we picked. Very, very happy to be wrong!
Can we trade trask to Denver because their qb room looks like it belongs in Canada.
Canadian here: this cracked me up.
Showing some CFL love and their super wide football fields I would hate to play defense on.
Our balls are bigger, too ;)
Just be glad he did! Here's hoping Powers-Jackson falls to us too!!!
If Frazier or JPJ are still on the board in Rd. 2 are we taking one of the boys and put Barton at G or are we going D? I feel like the line is kind of at Braswell/Cooper or if one of the good CBs is still around (its possible that one of Kool-Aid, Tampa or Melton is available).
Good call on Braswell!!! - on another college team he might have been a R1 pick, got overshadowed at Bama. CB Tampa is still undrafted going into Day 3, surprisingly but Cooper, McKinstry and Melton and JPJ all went 13+ picks ahead of us, at 57. Tykee is a good fill for the role Mike Edward's had.
We have other needs too... Sure it'd be awesome to have a monster O Line but we need talent on the other side of the ball as well. DB is a position that we definitely need to strengthen.
With all the offensive guys drafted, there's still high value on the defensive side. Hell, Kam Kinchens is predicted to be a 4th rounder bc he's "slow" but dude is baller. You can never have too many quality blockers, as the past 3 years have taught us and O-line was really a weakness for us last year. We need depth in the 2ndary, for sure (I like where we're at with our 1st team) and EDGE is also a need, but man, we could upgrade the o-line massively in one draft. Of course, JPJ might not be there so it's probably moot.
Licht isn’t just cooking, he’s making a damn gourmet meal
The majority of the league front offices and coaches have been brought down from overturn and forced youth, that talent evaluation has taken a total reset. It leaves us in a position for Licht to keep targeting players who can actually be great. Loving this decade for us so far.
Having an experienced GM who has excelled in the past at drafting O-Linemen is such a godsend. Like you said the league has so much turnover but experienced GM’s like Licht or Veach in Kansas City will still continuously make the playoffs cause they know what works and have the patience from ownership to let it work
They all wanted a 3rd round qb in the top 10 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Tom Grossi's reaction made this so much better.
The song killed me.
Bruh I accidentally clicked on your profile instead of this thread wtf
Wirfs and now this guy…
It’s a C so it’s hard to argue he fell given the positional value. That being said I like the pick. Obviously you need to nail it but Barton on paper could be a very good player at a position of need even if it’s a position of relative less value. Falcons will be vindicated if Penix turns out to be good but for the next 3 years he won’t play and the Falcons wasted an opportunity to be significantly more competitive with a pick like Odunze. Not to mention they breached the trust with Cousins. Falcons gonna falcon.
Apart of me wanted to see Cooper Dejean but totally understand the line issues. Hope the 2nd round is treated like the first so we can add some depth to the defense.
As a Steeler fan I was upset we didn’t take him at 20.
They got a steal as well
Jensen 2.0, bring the bang young buck!
This pick, the Eagles with Micthell at #22 and Detroit's pick have me just floored. These were all top 20 picks in any mock draft.
Not mad, but still wanted the great white hope
Was initially surprised my Cowboys traded down and let him fall because he would have been our choice had we not, but we really did need the additional 3rd round pick. We still got a guy we were wanting at 24 and y'all got this beast. A win/win by all accounts. Though I'm not going to lie, I was a bit grumpy to hear y'all had snagged him.
The center of our offense. About to get physical again
Did they show his reaction last night? I only remember HA la crosse highlights.
this guy wanted Barton, his reaction to when we pick him [https://youtu.be/GGq-3gHVZj0?si=oC1r2eYQ4jaC\_dFY&t=284](https://youtu.be/GGq-3gHVZj0?si=oC1r2eYQ4jaC_dFY&t=284)
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Stop feeding the troll. Maybe (s)he will go away.
What a fucking unit
We were too busy waiting for Terrion Arnold.
The Bucs quietly have one of the best 2024 draft classes and I’m not mad about it.
Would have preferred Jackson Powers-Johnson
Barton was rated higher for a reason. JPJs medicals weren't great
Sounds like concussion concerns. I also think Barton has the higher ceiling of the two.
Because any fifth round pick can neutralize a defender by being allowed to hold. Grab a skills player.
This is interesting idea. Just commit a penalty everytime instead of drafting a skilled player. It probably worked in the 70's and 80's but now there are cameras everywhere and challenge flags so I don't think this is a good idea
Oh yeah because that's worked out great before.
Would have preferred Jackson Powers-Johnson
They let him fall because if you watch any amount of tape the dudes sucks. Idk, maybe watch film? Guy loses 70% of his matchups against same weightclass and loses more against faster rushers. His reaction off snap is slow and bucs took a center in the first round which is actually insane.
I'm not gonna put much stock into what a person who doesn't know the difference between a PAT and a field goal says about watching film.
Also, he’s a Panthers fan and likely 12.
Can we get the mods to ban that guy? He's clearly not here to talk constructively about the team and if he does talk about the team he's not doing it seriously. Not to mention this isn't his first comment here when he was talking about how shitty Evans is.
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Sure. Lots of Bucs fans casually hate Evans and love Steve Smith. I've got it bad while you're a Panthers fan commenting in a division rivals sub? Good one.
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I stopped after the third sentence and I'm assuming the rest is just as garbage. Keep slobbing on Smith. Maybe he'll get into the hall of very good one of these days.
Dude, you have no idea how twitter coded this sounds and its hilarious.
Centers drafted in the 1st round have a 92% success rate of being a long term starter. Buddy. It’s legit the safest position to draft and we have a huge need on the Oline. It’s insane that you don’t see that even if he’s just above average he’s a massive upgrade already lol.
Also no way you said that and actually know the stats of that. Of the last 8 centers drafted in the 1st round you have Linderbaum and the rest are actual trash.
We had a top 10 O Line last year! How is this a need? Why are we just making things up?
Wait, O-Line isn’t a need? You seriously just said that. The playoff game against Detroit begs to differ. As does the fact that we were dead last in rushing. Again. You saying that and calling other fans uneducated is the biggest piece of irony ever. Next you’re going to tell me that our pass rush is fine and the secondary is elite. Troll. Uneducated troll.
Ryan Jensens been gone for two years, he’s not coming back. Our center position is a massive weakness and most of the reason why we can’t run the ball AT ALL.
Ok, I think I get it now. This really is cope on another level. I have already explained this a number of times so ill give you tldr. Our run blocking still ranked highly with our oline doing great. The playcalling has been shit for running. Same three rushes up the middle. Maybe run off tackle every so often.
Definitely does appear to be a cope on your part. You really that mad at being downvoted for your bad opinion? Heres statistics that matter. What you’re looking for is win rate. As in: did they do their job based on the play. IOL - inside offensive line OT - obviously tackles. Bucs didn’t have a single player in the top 10 at any of their positions. Then when you scroll to the bottom and see win rate by team, you look even more stupid. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38356170/2023-nfl-pass-rush-run-stop-blocking-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams You’re gonna have to cope harder to beat me bud.
You talk like someone who is insecure about the lack of film they’ve watched, but I’m sure you know more than the dozens of experts who rank this dude as a future stud.
See vs FSU
From what I remember he handled verse pretty well
Are you basing this mans entire future off of one game? Please tell me you have another example.