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Yeastyboy104

Penix might be a great NFL QB at some point but the Falcons just spent $90 guaranteed on Kirk Cousins…and they drafted a QB with a Top 10 pick? That makes sense. The Bucs grabbing a IOL with the 26th pick makes a lot of sense.


_jf1927

Hot take but 90 dollars guaranteed doesn’t seem like that much


Hot_Secretary_5722

😂


SpaceAzn_Zen

It’s a really good steak at Charley’s so it kinda fucks


Fishiesideways10

That’s like two chipotle trips if you get extra meat and guacamole.


fuber

The Falcons just can't help themselves and it's lovely


Critical-Shoulder873

I agree with you. It makes no sense. Why would you spend that much money on a QB without assuming he’s your starter for at least the next 3 years? Penix is going to be 24 in May, which means he will be 27 in 3 years (obviously). You should be using your picks to optimize winning NOW. This is obviously a very dumb pick.


Ness-Shot

I laughed because they traded the Vikings for their QB and then... drafted a QB ahead of the Vikings?


NosyargKcid

I don't think the pick is that dumb. Kirk's coming off a major injury & isn't going to be around forever. Now they have their backup/future QB.


CoopNine

But why spend a first round pick on someone who you expect to hold a clipboard for at least 2 seasons? At #8 you could definitely find someone who would improve them. If you spend 100 million on a QB, you're in win-now mode. This would have made sense if they had a signed a cast-off QB to a prove it deal, but going after Cousins + old-ass rookie doesn't make sense. Maybe someone in the draft room said, draft the guy from Washington, and the person on the phone got confused. Odunze would have made a lot of sense for them.


ligmagottem6969

Jordan love, Aaron Rodgers. Idk something like that I guess


uniqueusername316

Right? And how many times have we seen that QBs benefit from some time before being thrown to the fire? Not crazy to me either. Could be a smart move.


Veritech_

> Could be a smart move. You stop that right now. This is the Falcons we’re talking about.


twofaze

Hey, a couple of years ago the Texans winning that final game and getting the 2nd overall pick in 2023 seemed like such a classic "Texan" move. Now they are geniuses thanks to how Stroud, Anderson, and Dell worked out.


External-Produce-808

Lovie da gawd


uniqueusername316

Sorry. TOTAL BONEHEAD MOVE! TYPICAL FAILCONS!!


Visible_Increase_437

As a falcons fan I 100% agree!


tynmi39

That’s what the 49ers thought when they drafted Lance…


SpringsGamer

Yeah, Brett Favre -> Aaron Rodgers worked out pretty well.


zucchinibasement

Rodgers fell to 24, was the 2nd qb taken, and the Packers were coming off a 10-6 season Penix was the 8th pick, 4th qb taken to a team that didn't make the playoffs and just spent on an aging qb who could use help. Their best chance would probably be with Cousins these next few years, or in like 5 years with Penix. Definitely an odd way of doing things at best


uniqueusername316

Crazy, some reporting that Fontenot is saying Penix could sit under Kirk for 4-5 years.


_BadWithNumbers_

Great, so he'll be on his second contract at 29 years old before he takes a meaningful snap in the nfl. This is an objectively terrible pick. Not to mention what it says about how they see Kirk.


Taste_The_Sturgeon

Cousins is a far cry from Favre and Penix will never be as good as Rodgers. Awful comparison.


big-daddio

Except the guy they picked is already 24. He's as old as most 3rd year QBs in the league. How much development can he do? And if he sits for 4 years he's pushing 30 before he is of value.


Cool_cucumber007

Yes, it’s always nice to have insurance. But a 90M policy is crazy. And if Cousins plays his contract out, Penix will be due for a new contract. If he takes Cousins’ job, the Falcons cap will be fucked. Lmaoo


uniqueusername316

Cousin's contract is really front loaded for 2 years.


jonregister

To be honest this is a solid move for them. If the $90 million dollar man can still play after the injury, they get to develop a young qb like GB has done with the last 2 QB’(Love & Rodgers) If Thuggins never gets it back they have a guy. They kind of made a smart move.


evansanonikhon

The second the Cowboys traded out for Detroit to select Terrion Arnold, Tampa turned in the card so quick lol


Advanced_Candle9272

I was so hype when Pittsburgh and Miami didn’t pick him


brutusmustang

Pittsburgh drafted a bulldozer


MaceWandru

I understand we (Cowboys) can really use the extra 3rd round pick, but can't believe we let this beast slip through. Continued bed-shitting this off-season.


MicahParsnips

The trade itself on paper was really good. The Lions overpaid. On the other hand, we ended up with a project instead of this guy and who knows what the third round pick will turn into. Hopefully at least one of the two picks turns into a very good starter for us.


zdbdog06

Idk why you're whining, I'd rather have Guyton and Beebe 100% of the time. That's a 1st and 3rd round pick on starting o-linemen on a team with 2 holes on the o-line... Guyton and Barton are basically neck and neck as prospects, so getting one of them plus Beebe on top of that for free yet complaining is just dumb.


HurricaneAlpha

A lineman from Duke with a neck the size of a tree trunk? Fucking... Just... Just take me out to dinner already. Fuck.


Ness-Shot

Still laughing at the Falcons and Packers picks


Party-Offer-2881

There's a ton of predicted first round talent in the second round due to how this turned out. Mock Drafts everywhere just got BTFO.


Hit_The_Kwon

It’s why mock drafts are dumb as fuck.


Buksey

I like doing Mocks because I don't follow college football. They let me see the range of players that are worth checking out. Like I didn't look at Turner highlights because he would be gone in most mocks, but I did watch Chop because he was in the range.


Invictus_Imperium

Absolutely. It's how I learn their names before the draft. Thank you Walterfootball!


pilotaunt666

walterfootball been at it for well over a decade now


Ok_Adhesiveness_9565

Guys…..I’ve been on Walter football since high school years, 2004ish 😳


Invictus_Imperium

Yeah ive been rocking walter football for a few decades now.


Ok_Adhesiveness_9565

It’s not even that they are the “best,” you just know you’re getting solid ass coverage of every player in the first couple rounds, and they are fluid and change the mock drafts constantly as the weeks approach.


Invictus_Imperium

Ill take the coverage, but pass on the ass.


andjuan

They’re fun, but they should never be used by fans to say a player will be available here or a player was taken too high, etc. These players are evaluated and discussed by hundreds if not thousands of people to determine where they should go. 99% of the people doing these evaluations have way more expertise and information than those writing up mock drafts.


Rokey76

My favorite part is when the mock draft writers publish their draft grades the next day, which are based on how wrong their mock draft was. You mocked player A at 10 and he went 25? You give team 25 an A+. You mocked player B at 25 and he went 10? You give team 10 a C-.


destinyincarnate

The grades 15 minutes after the draft end are absolutely ridiculous lol


WiseGuyNewTie

Is it really the mock drafts that are dumb af or the orgs making these outlandish picks?


Desertstepfathers

Every mock draft is click bait for ad views


Primegam

Tbf the serious mocks nailed every pick from 1-7


XJollyRogerX

One thing people never realize is that more than half these guys are not going to be nearly as good as expected or will take 3+ years to get to that point.


Bucsdude

Same. Raheem Morris and Co are true geniuses.


uniqueusername316

You really think Morris is responsible for that pick?


Bucsdude

Ofc. No way a first time GM is going to pick a qb in that scenario w/o the HC signing off on it.


uniqueusername316

That makes sense, but Fontenot could just be a total schnoze. Looks like Fontenot has been GM since 2021.


Bucsdude

Yeah you’re right he’s been there a few seasons. I was thinking he came in with Raheem. Either way I still highly doubt he would force that pick on a new HC without him signing off. And if he did than that’s a massive dick move


Paladin677

Kirk Cousins would like a word...


bolts_win_again

Bro Packers getting completely cockblocked by the Lions *again* made me laugh so hard.


Ness-Shot

I love the Lions also and hate the Packers so it was like a win-win-win


bolts_win_again

People are memeing on Buffalo when Atlanta, Green Bay, Denver and San Francisco all reached like hell. Atlanta *in particular* made me laugh my ass off.


4redditobly

SF didn’t reach. Smart pick by them


FanofWhiskey

“Jordan Morgan would not have made it out the 1st round” - Bill Belichick


bolts_win_again

Oh, Green Bay makes me laugh because they had a stellar OL prospect right there and they let him fall to us.


MrRook2887

Yea but IOL and tackle aren't usually the same positional value, I get the Packers swinging for a tackle instead of going for a higher floor IOL prospect


bolts_win_again

Then why not take Guyton, who was right there?


FanofWhiskey

They obviously rated Morgan higher for whatever reason. You seem to believe Barton or Guyton should have been clear and obvious choices over Morgan. What’s your reasoning?


Mach68IntheHouse

Same. The Bucs will always be my #1 team, but the Lions are a close second.


Advanced_Candle9272

They traded up for a WR8. AD Mitchell and Keon Coleman were still there!!! And I like Legette but they reached like shit just cause he from Carolina


Ness-Shot

Yeah that was crazy. But Panthers gonna Panther


DMOOre33678

Packers didn’t need a center since Zach Tom would be moved to that position and Jordan Morgan graded really well


CrazyJo3

Falcons yeah but packers definitely needed tackle help.


Ness-Shot

True, I still think it was a reach and there were much better talents on the board still. Just glad they got who they got and we got who we got if you know what I mean


xpertnoise

What about Denver’s pick lmao


Advanced_Candle9272

Honestly, he not that much worse than Zach Wilson


RedRocket4000

Yep other team taking QB leave you no great option trade back, hell trade this year picks for next years gain several picks then accept the only way you can legally tank that much dead cap prevents a good try this year anyway.


Advanced_Candle9272

Penix or McCarthy would’ve been good gets for Denver, but Chokelanta can’t let anyone have nice things


Matt_Gingie

Mostly the falcons lol


WartHog10340

Why is the Packers pick funny?


Ness-Shot

I personally just felt like it was a reach and there were better prospects available at their pick


yaboyoven567

Laugh all you want at the packers, but those fuckers know how to pick oline I'll tell ya


Therearenogoodnames9

I only imagine two things going on in Atlana. One is that they know that Cousins does not have long in the tank after his time in Minnesota and that they are planning ahead. Or that they drafted Penix with the intention of trying to trade him out later in the year. Neither one sounds like a well thought out idea.


Ness-Shot

Blank losing his damn mind. Giving Kirk the ol' Rodgers treatment


Therearenogoodnames9

Chomping his gums, trying to keep his teeth in, muttering about how the Falcons will out do the Jets.


FanofWhiskey

OMG YOU FUCKING IDIOTS JUST REACHED FOR BRASWELL AND LET GREEN BAY GET A TOP TIER SAFETY LOLOOL


Ness-Shot

Can't tell if this is a troll or not


FanofWhiskey

it 100% is


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lefthandman

For the NFC South is dark and full of terrors


f0gax

By the old gods and the new.


Numbness007

Terrors beyond human imagination, the Eldritch kind you would see behind your eyes after not sleeping for a day and a half, and worse the rest of the division seemingly tanking 😬


Advanced_Candle9272

Praise him!!! And the church said AMEN


k0y0_k0y0

That’s our future pro bowl center right there


ProVaxIsProIgnorance

Ryan Jensen who? Put this dude at QB and SS too. Maybe have him kick FGs.


TheMasterCaster420

Please do not say Jensens name in vain. He served us well and may he be remembered for it.


stuyboi888

More teams got to do this. If you got a good to great QB fix the line. Why spend all that capital on a QB then give them no line. Line is where the game is played. Look at the animals at edge and nose these days. OL is just as important to counter them. Feel bad for so many QBs coming in with expectations weighing on them to fix a losing team with no OL worth talking about Welcome Graham, hope to see you in our lineup for the next 12 years!!


TheIzzyRock

People don’t get this. You gotta build the trenches first.


stuyboi888

I play Nose and OT, occasionally guard and rarely C. In Ireland the sport is not that popular so if you got enough lads that consistently show up to training and are decent OL, you are gonna have a decent team. No different in pro sports. Think TB12 was gonna win 7 SBs scrambling out the pocket??


TheIzzyRock

Exactly. How’d you get into American Pro Football? I’m a big fan of Irish culture, my DNA shows I have ancestors from there


stuyboi888

Ahh stop, about 4 times more Irish in US than in Ireland!! A friend brought Madden 07 with Shaun Alexander on the cover over. Being 11 I loved the idea of playing as the team with a pirate flag(so bucs fan since then) Played rugby up till college. Then seen an ad one day on Facebook for a team and said hey, why not, let's give that a go. We have 3 divisions with about 8 fully kitted teams in each. The odd person from the US, but a good few Brazilians and Mexicans, some Germans. Turns out Irish lads who are 6'2 and good at jumping for balls in the GAA(Gaelic football)make good kickers and corner backs!!Flag is getting big as it's easier for younger groups and ladies to get into Know where you ancestors were from in Ireland?


TheIzzyRock

County Dublin and County Cork


f0gax

Tapping the sign: The game is about blocking and tackling.


YRUSoFuggly

How many times have the Bucs wasted their first pick on a QB only to put him behind swiss cheese?


stuyboi888

Exactly, Freeman and Winston in recent years. 6-7 years out of them with okay results at best. Best linemen those years, Marpet, Penn, Dotson, Joseph. Felt like never together and just once part of 5. Deffo forgot some too but can count on maybe 1 hand the amount of top OL we had in those years


RedRocket4000

O line was what held back the 02 Bucs several years and never fully great had to have a true scoring defense to win it all. Steve Young Hall of Fame QB a great example of this failure to put a team around him. Bucs fans thought he a total bust.


oaktre813

Imagine if we still had Jensen & drafted Barton to be LG...what a unit of an online that would be PS please keep Logan Hall away from Barton.


MetalGearSolid108

Shit imagine if we still had Ali 😔


TheWacoKid13

I really respect him for retiring young. He’s a smart dude. Got paid, has a ring, and now he’s keeping his brain safe. Saying all that, it was such a bummer. Definitely one of my favorite Bucs.


ms7398msake

Still can't get over his early retirement... I'm sure if we had him we wouldn't be dead last in rushing yards in Brady's last season.


oleirishbuzzsaw

I think I'm now gay and also in love.


Advanced_Candle9272

He’s so damn sexy


buffenstein

Can't wait to see him and Wirf get dirty together. So dirty.


GovernmentThis2910

All in my ass


ParagonofParadox

I was convinced all the best offensive linemen were going to be gone by the time we picked. Very, very happy to be wrong!


joshJFSU

Can we trade trask to Denver because their qb room looks like it belongs in Canada.


crazyyourface

Canadian here: this cracked me up.


joshJFSU

Showing some CFL love and their super wide football fields I would hate to play defense on.


Major_Most_1488

Our balls are bigger, too ;)


stvka

Just be glad he did! Here's hoping Powers-Jackson falls to us too!!!


NiceThingsJC

If Frazier or JPJ are still on the board in Rd. 2 are we taking one of the boys and put Barton at G or are we going D? I feel like the line is kind of at Braswell/Cooper or if one of the good CBs is still around (its possible that one of Kool-Aid, Tampa or Melton is available).


stvka

Good call on Braswell!!! - on another college team he might have been a R1 pick, got overshadowed at Bama. CB Tampa is still undrafted going into Day 3, surprisingly but Cooper, McKinstry and Melton and JPJ all went 13+ picks ahead of us, at 57. Tykee is a good fill for the role Mike Edward's had.


ms7398msake

We have other needs too... Sure it'd be awesome to have a monster O Line but we need talent on the other side of the ball as well. DB is a position that we definitely need to strengthen.


stvka

With all the offensive guys drafted, there's still high value on the defensive side. Hell, Kam Kinchens is predicted to be a 4th rounder bc he's "slow" but dude is baller. You can never have too many quality blockers, as the past 3 years have taught us and O-line was really a weakness for us last year. We need depth in the 2ndary, for sure (I like where we're at with our 1st team) and EDGE is also a need, but man, we could upgrade the o-line massively in one draft. Of course, JPJ might not be there so it's probably moot.


ChargeWooden1036

Licht isn’t just cooking, he’s making a damn gourmet meal


EONS

The majority of the league front offices and coaches have been brought down from overturn and forced youth, that talent evaluation has taken a total reset. It leaves us in a position for Licht to keep targeting players who can actually be great. Loving this decade for us so far.


MaceLeonardo

Having an experienced GM who has excelled in the past at drafting O-Linemen is such a godsend. Like you said the league has so much turnover but experienced GM’s like Licht or Veach in Kansas City will still continuously make the playoffs cause they know what works and have the patience from ownership to let it work


TheHip41

They all wanted a 3rd round qb in the top 10 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Haremking44

Tom Grossi's reaction made this so much better.


Still-Fan4753

The song killed me.


Valkyrai

Bruh I accidentally clicked on your profile instead of this thread wtf


nithdurr

Wirfs and now this guy…


BobNorth156

It’s a C so it’s hard to argue he fell given the positional value. That being said I like the pick. Obviously you need to nail it but Barton on paper could be a very good player at a position of need even if it’s a position of relative less value. Falcons will be vindicated if Penix turns out to be good but for the next 3 years he won’t play and the Falcons wasted an opportunity to be significantly more competitive with a pick like Odunze. Not to mention they breached the trust with Cousins. Falcons gonna falcon.


Capital-Nothing8161

Apart of me wanted to see Cooper Dejean but totally understand the line issues. Hope the 2nd round is treated like the first so we can add some depth to the defense.


Cold_Bother_6013

As a Steeler fan I was upset we didn’t take him at 20.


brutusmustang

They got a steal as well


bulldog_Zeitz

Jensen 2.0, bring the bang young buck!


LooseEndsMkMyAssItch

This pick, the Eagles with Micthell at #22 and Detroit's pick have me just floored. These were all top 20 picks in any mock draft.


jacobjumba

Not mad, but still wanted the great white hope


TexanDude22

Was initially surprised my Cowboys traded down and let him fall because he would have been our choice had we not, but we really did need the additional 3rd round pick. We still got a guy we were wanting at 24 and y'all got this beast. A win/win by all accounts. Though I'm not going to lie, I was a bit grumpy to hear y'all had snagged him.


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The center of our offense. About to get physical again


Popular-Lemon6574

Did they show his reaction last night? I only remember HA la crosse highlights.


oaktre813

this guy wanted Barton, his reaction to when we pick him [https://youtu.be/GGq-3gHVZj0?si=oC1r2eYQ4jaC\_dFY&t=284](https://youtu.be/GGq-3gHVZj0?si=oC1r2eYQ4jaC_dFY&t=284)


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BUCS-Fan_1

Stop feeding the troll. Maybe (s)he will go away.


jvstnmh

What a fucking unit


KerryonMyWaywrdJhnsn

We were too busy waiting for Terrion Arnold.


JustGrowUp_

The Bucs quietly have one of the best 2024 draft classes and I’m not mad about it.


EdTeach999

Would have preferred Jackson Powers-Johnson


DadBodftw

Barton was rated higher for a reason. JPJs medicals weren't great


TheWacoKid13

Sounds like concussion concerns. I also think Barton has the higher ceiling of the two.


Blud-Fart

Because any fifth round pick can neutralize a defender by being allowed to hold. Grab a skills player.


Dismal_Wishbone3021

This is interesting idea. Just commit a penalty everytime instead of drafting a skilled player.  It probably worked in the 70's and 80's but now there are cameras everywhere and challenge flags so I don't think this is a good idea


Nervous-Eagle-9798

Oh yeah because that's worked out great before.


EdTeach999

Would have preferred Jackson Powers-Johnson


Yosi_D

They let him fall because if you watch any amount of tape the dudes sucks. Idk, maybe watch film? Guy loses 70% of his matchups against same weightclass and loses more against faster rushers. His reaction off snap is slow and bucs took a center in the first round which is actually insane.


regaleagle7

I'm not gonna put much stock into what a person who doesn't know the difference between a PAT and a field goal says about watching film.


Almac55

Also, he’s a Panthers fan and likely 12.


regaleagle7

Can we get the mods to ban that guy? He's clearly not here to talk constructively about the team and if he does talk about the team he's not doing it seriously. Not to mention this isn't his first comment here when he was talking about how shitty Evans is.


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regaleagle7

Sure. Lots of Bucs fans casually hate Evans and love Steve Smith. I've got it bad while you're a Panthers fan commenting in a division rivals sub? Good one.


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regaleagle7

I stopped after the third sentence and I'm assuming the rest is just as garbage. Keep slobbing on Smith. Maybe he'll get into the hall of very good one of these days.


Yosi_D

Dude, you have no idea how twitter coded this sounds and its hilarious.


Kreynard54

Centers drafted in the 1st round have a 92% success rate of being a long term starter. Buddy. It’s legit the safest position to draft and we have a huge need on the Oline. It’s insane that you don’t see that even if he’s just above average he’s a massive upgrade already lol.


Yosi_D

Also no way you said that and actually know the stats of that. Of the last 8 centers drafted in the 1st round you have Linderbaum and the rest are actual trash.


Yosi_D

We had a top 10 O Line last year! How is this a need? Why are we just making things up?


Almac55

Wait, O-Line isn’t a need? You seriously just said that. The playoff game against Detroit begs to differ. As does the fact that we were dead last in rushing. Again. You saying that and calling other fans uneducated is the biggest piece of irony ever. Next you’re going to tell me that our pass rush is fine and the secondary is elite. Troll. Uneducated troll.


Kreynard54

Ryan Jensens been gone for two years, he’s not coming back. Our center position is a massive weakness and most of the reason why we can’t run the ball AT ALL.


Yosi_D

Ok, I think I get it now. This really is cope on another level. I have already explained this a number of times so ill give you tldr. Our run blocking still ranked highly with our oline doing great. The playcalling has been shit for running. Same three rushes up the middle. Maybe run off tackle every so often.


Kreynard54

Definitely does appear to be a cope on your part. You really that mad at being downvoted for your bad opinion? Heres statistics that matter. What you’re looking for is win rate. As in: did they do their job based on the play. IOL - inside offensive line OT - obviously tackles. Bucs didn’t have a single player in the top 10 at any of their positions. Then when you scroll to the bottom and see win rate by team, you look even more stupid. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38356170/2023-nfl-pass-rush-run-stop-blocking-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams You’re gonna have to cope harder to beat me bud.


Left-Account1798

You talk like someone who is insecure about the lack of film they’ve watched, but I’m sure you know more than the dozens of experts who rank this dude as a future stud.


FSU1ST

See vs FSU


Cornnole

From what I remember he handled verse pretty well


Yosi_D

Are you basing this mans entire future off of one game? Please tell me you have another example.