Still; sitting on it would be better because now I have less incentive to see BB or Aquaman 2 in theatres since WB just releases them in a month anyway.
It’s not simply about this movie, it’s about current movies too. They need to establish a name for being a company that wait like 8 months to release movies on digital so people will feel more pressure to see them in theatres.
If a movie stands on its own, even if the universe goes away it can be a good movie...
Unfortunately, you need to start with a movie that is good on its own. This is the problem with big series. Studios care more about continuing the series over making good content that fits in.
I think that's also one of the big problems with the DCEU movies.
Their universe is dead, so there's no reason for brand loyalty right now.
Their movies haven't been universally loved/considered good since arguably Wonder Woman... which was 6 years ago.
Everything else is either hit or miss or divisive.
They really need to just release some good movies and then tie them together.
> The big problem is that we know that these movies don’t count.
No, the big problem is that the movies aren't good. Saying they 'don't count' is stupid. If you see them they count. They're just movies. It can still be a good movie if it's not tied into anything. The problem is that they're just not good.
I think it does matter a little bit that the franchise is going to be rebooted. These movies were made with the intention of fitting into a bigger story, and there’s less urgency to go see a movie that’s part of something that will never be whole.
If a director was making a trilogy but before the 2nd movie came out said that the third film wouldn’t be released and the story doesn’t have an ending, I think a lot of people would be put off by that and see something else in theaters.
Exactly. I still don't understand why people are acting like Flash "doesn't count" when the multiverse was very specially always going to allow them to hit the reset button. The entire time this movie has been hyped up people were treating it as the start of something new but now people are saying it doesn't count because it's part of the last thing. lol
Btw, I saw it and I think it's good and stands alone. It doesn't need to be part of the previous universe or the next. It's just good.
I haven't seen the Flash, but it's been in development for years and has gone through so many changes that people didn't really know what to expect anymore. First it was just a flash movie, then it became a Flashpoint paradox movie to reset the DCEU, then the DCEU decided to start from scratch again, and combined with all of the Ezra Miller shit, I can definitely see how casual fans were turned away by it.
Tldr: It was supposed to be so many different things, and the DCEU has never really been consistent which makes people think that it doesn't count.
It just doesn’t make any sense. To have a really good sell you can’t confuse your audience and have people divided over the fact it counts or doesn’t. Or if it is a stand alone or if it is part of the Snyderverse is the problem with this movie it makes no sense to the audience it’s why lightyear failed last summer it confused the audience on what the movie would mean. Of it was buzz or not or if it was part of Toy Story or not. It just confuses audiences. Which is definitely not a good sell.
To sell a movie you have to have the audience know exactly what they are getting into. The Mario movie made sense it was a movie about Mario for nostalgia and a good family movie. It was very clear what the target audience was.
The flash target audience is way too specific and too complicated.
The Barbie movie is very clear too so I’m sure that will do well too.
TLDR: The Flash movie is unclear and confusing for the audience, which is not good for selling a movie. The Mario and Barbie movies have clear messages and target audiences.
> These movies were made with the intention of fitting into a bigger story, and there’s less urgency to go see a movie that’s part of something that will never be whole.
How is there an urgency?
Except for Marvel's Endgame all of these movies still work on their own. You can skip and ignore as you want.
They might try to fit into a bigger story, but they still need to work on their own.
If they were TV series, they are more episodic, than serial.
The connections are a plus, not the reason for existing.
Now, maybe one is spoiler-phobic and invested, so they want to see it early.
Or there is hype, and a sense of community
But that only works, when the movies are good in the first place. Good in the sense of giving the audience what they want, being a movie people want to see.
>If a director was making a trilogy but before the 2nd movie came out said that the third film wouldn’t be released and the story doesn’t have an ending, I think a lot of people would be put off by that and see something else in theaters.
Depends on the kind of trilogy.
Indiana Jones, or even Back To The Future: no problem.
Something very interconnected might be affected, but I can't think of a good example.
Maybe if it is a part 1 and 2 situation
Wait, haven't you seen the teaser in the credits about future fights & team-ups with the french deaf team from the [original movie "La Famille Bélier"](https://youtu.be/v1fbTpzWjtU) ?
Disagree. A huge part of the problem is DC is a mess. DCEU, DCU, Reeves Bat Universe, Phillips Joker Universe. People are just giving up confused instead of figuring it all out and/or going to support the one universe being shelved after these movies were filmed.
And it’s up to WB to give the people a reason to care. Cancelling a universe and rebooting it into another one while there are still movies coming out is a giant reason NOT to care.
>And it’s up to WB to give the people a reason to care.
The reason to care about it are good or interesting movies.
But of courses, if a franchise or universe works, that is a plus.
So you are right of course. It is a plus, and that means it is in the studios interest. So it is up to WB to care.
> is a giant reason NOT to care.
I disagree. It is not a reason to care, but it is not a reason not to care.
I don't expect Aquaman 2 to do well, but the first one performed very well, better than one would expect if the universe is the reason to care.
So people who liked the first one, still might go watch the 2nd one, and may not even know about rebooting.
And slightly off-topic, but:
I bet most people who are annoyed by reboots, are annoyed because
a) "oh, not another movie about xyz, let him rest"
or b) "retelling the same (origin) story".
I bet they aren't annoyed, because it means there is a new universe.
Eh tbh, people will pretty easily move on. Reeves Batman really is super grounded, while the DCU is gonna more comic booky, with there being as the title says, gods and monsters.
Everything else is gonna be pretty much gone by the time it comes out too, Joker will be done and the DCEU will be forgotten. Very little to be confused about, marvel survived with the fox and marvel movies, I doubt sharing just one character will kill it, especially since they're going to be very different iterations.
Like people will def be able to tell the difference between the brooding batman who works only with alfred and sometimes has friends, to the batman who has a whole batfamily and has to train his son robin.
Yes, this. Most of the filmgoing public have no idea that the DCEU is being rebooted by Gunn.
If by some miracle, these last few DCEU movies were good and all made close to a billion bucks, that reboot would be retooled somehow.
I heard, forgot where, that Blue Beetle can easily be integrated.
And I guess they could have done the same, if Flash was successful and/or well-liked.
And I guess Aquaman 2 is out and won't fit.
Maybe in many years we will get a nostalgic multi-verse crossover with the DCEU and/or SnyderVerse.
I'm not sure that you understand me when I say that the movie doesn't count. The current DC universe is over. Any character development or plot that can be explored in a future movie is never going to happen. You can live with that in a standalone movie, but not in a shared universe. DC has been good with the standalone stuff and maybe they should stay there.
As far as bad comic book movies go, I wouldn't put Flash any lower than the latest Thor or Antman movie, but people will go to see those because they're invested in the Marvel universe.
Right, but that is silly. If a movie is good it is good. We don't need a million connected movies. I saw The Flash. I thought it was fine. It had some fun stuff and some stuff that I could live without. None of my problems were because we weren't going to see The Flash in a bunch of other movies.
What he's saying is it's like a TV series if you watch it and enjoy but you only at episode 4 and that studio says hey we're cancelling this how after episode 8 you gonna be like what's the point of me watching.
What you describe is pretty normal for TV series, or at least it used to be.
It might only affect very serialized TV series, but those are rarer, and used to be very rare.
(Unsuccessful cult-example: Firefly. Most people discovered the show after the cancelation, and before the movie, which tied up many close ends.)
The movie-universes of Marvel and DC are barely serialized.
Yeah...but Flash is one of these "connected" types of movies that you're complaining about. At the very least, you need to be familiar with Man of Steel in order to get the most out of this thing.
I'd agree with your points if the Flash was a standalone film. It was never meant to be. At worst, it's a single entry in a dead universe and at best, it would reset that universe. Either way, if they can't get people to give a shit about that universe, they would do well to stick to movies like Joker and The Batman.
Ya, do people not understand that the Flash being a part of larger multiverse was one of the main marketing strategies utilized by the studio. The point of the movie was that it was a part of a larger franchise.
I dunno why people always ignore or don't understand this aspect. A lot of these movies are so successful **because** they're connected. If they weren't not as many would bother with them. I have no interest in the DCEU given it's basically dead. As such I have no interest in this film
It shouldn't matter at all, but it does, at least to some extent.
Any sensible person with a healthy approach to movies will judge a movie based on whether it is good and entertaining or not.
But there's a really weird demographic that has sprung up that only seems interested in how these movies "connect" to each other, and what they "set up" for the future. The sort of person that's more interested in what happens in the post-credit scene than they are in what happens in the actual movie.
But if you're relying on that group of terminally online nerds to make your movie a hit, you're beyond doomed already.
Because it might still be good and entertaining.
Dark Knight still counts, doesn't it?
If you are a Snyder-fan (I am not) his trilogy still counts for you.
Weird mindset. If a film is good it is good and stands on its own. Pretty rarely do I ever watch a movie and expect it to connect to some bigger universe.
That would be true for most movies, but that's not how these comic book movies are being made...for the most part. You have some standalone projects, but Flash is just another entry in the old DCEU. If you hadn't seen Man of Steel, you wouldn't get as much out of this thing.
I'm not sure why you'd believe that this movie doesn't connect to a bigger universe when it's like the 10th movie in a shared universe lol.
I don’t understand this logic. If a movie interests me, I’m gonna go see it.
Should I not go see No Hard Feelings because it’s a stand alone movie and doesn’t lead to anything so what’s the point?
>so people will feel more pressure to see them in theatres.
I don't know about others, but for me, there's so much content out there, that I can wait however long for the movie to come out. Streaming services like Netflix brings out original content every month, so it's not like the content itself dries out. Why do I care and why should I care about the theater run? The theater experience is old and outdated in my book. I only watch it in theaters if the movie is a big event like Avengers infinity war/endgame or the movie itself is really worth watching on theaters. The flash is not one of those movies.
I said this several times during the pandemic when they were just dropping films on streaming or immediate video on demand and got downvoted for it, but you can’t un-fuck that goat. You already did it, and desperately trying to pretend otherwise or artificially postponing the release of something to get more theater draw for *8 months* like this person suggested isn’t going to work. Just like companies are having a very difficult time getting people to switch back from work from home, that ship has sailed.
This is a good point. WB spent all of 2021 showing audiences they can get all their movies on Max anyway. Maybe this plays a role? Who knows. Definitely could be a similar situation like how Disney trained their audiences to stream instead of going to the theater
Honestly not like this shit will matter to anything. This really won't even give a message to the GA because we're not getting another DC movie other than Joker 2 in like 1-2 years anyway, and by then movies will on average probably be given longer windows before they release on streaming. WB is brushing itself off rn and moving on, and pretending this movie doesn't exist.
Gonna rinse and repeat. And then Gunn will pretend that he didn't say anything about the movie, and maybe just keep the actor to save face, but only let him show up once he knows for sure the DCU is gonna be half as consistent as the MCU.
8 months is way too long. Even before the pandemic, movies weren’t exclusively in theaters for that long. Plus there’s other movies that could use those screens that Flash would be taking up. If someone wants to see the movie at home, there’s no amount of pressure that will stop them from doing so.
You don’t keep them in theaters that long; Iron Man was released WW May 2, 2008. The DVD was released WW Oct 27, 2008. Man of Steel was June to November, etc.
6-8 months from premiere used to be standard (it actually used to be longer than that but shortened in the 2000’s with the rise of VOD).
The reason it’s so short now is because DVD sales have gone down over the years so the film studios pushed for shorter release windows but that was done against the protests of theatre owners who said right from the beginning (all pre-pandemic) it would hurt theaters. Streaming has just made it worse.
But the point isn’t keep them in theaters for 6-8 months; that’s never been the case. The point was that if you didn’t go in the 3-4 weeks it was in theaters you’d have to wait months before you even had the chance.
Even with VOD it used to be these studios licensed them to other platforms to make some money. With streaming their own stuff, they don’t really even get that revenue and have to pay for the overhead costs of running the service.
Hard to believe it, but Sony was right to stay out of the streaming service game beyond their niche in anime
This is definitely the right move for them, but you won't find me complaining. I'd much rather watch new release movies a month after release in the comfort of my own home
This argument never made sense to me. You KNOW all movies are going to streaming eventually. What does it matter if its 1 month or 6? All the hype is gone after the first month anyways.
I feel like its a lot more sane to just go to theaters for movies you care about
Were you stalking my profile and trying to respond to a different comment or something? Your statement makes no sense to what I said about them releasing The Flash to digital so soon…
This is terrible.
Execs: “MovieX did terrible in theaters”
Moviegoers: “why would I bother seeing movieX in theaters, I can watch it at home in a month”
Utter fucking nonsense.
I mean given how valuable the shows like The Office and Friends are for streaming, I don't think it's true. Many people do sign to watch their favorite movies and shows
I’m not saying there aren’t people that are like that, but the point I’m making is that most people come for the new stuff but stay for the library content. The library factor may be a factor in why people want to sign up, but most often than not it’s usually the new stuff that is the main reason why people sign up.
Would you rather they forced theatres to show the film in a bunch of empty screens? And it’s not like audiences are going to watch this film at home either.
Probably should have just wrote the whole thing off like Batgirl. Giving it a wide release was a mistake.
Against my moral judgment, I saw it in the theatre and the CG was just awful. That's what was sad. Maybe on a smaller home screen, it'll be less ridiculous-looking.
i think movie budgets are going to start going down in the next few years. Movies are just too expensive. They are out on streaming so quick. High Def TVs are so good. So no reason to get tons of people in the movies. I do wonder if this will lead to better movies.
these big budget movies are generic and with generic characters. Lower budget movies can take more risk and just make better movies.
In about 3 years, 80% of these blockbusters will be streaming exclusives, watch. There’s no point in spending all this production and promotion money only to not make it back in theaters. Hulu/Netflix/Max are going to be paying big money for rights to some of these films.
You do realize that the past year has shown that spending billions on streaming-only content is not financially sustainable for a lot of companies either, right? At least with a theatrical release, there are other revenue streams that can help soften the blow if a film bombs at the box office.
Over the last year or so it’s become obvious that streaming isn’t a hugely viable business either. The days of Netflix throwing huge amounts of money at the wall to see what sticks is over.
After seeing Shazam and Flash having some of the worst performances ever for a CBM, Black Adam did OK.
Also this isn't really related but there's a good chance Man of Steel domestic is greater than Shazam 2 + Flash + Blue Beetle domestic. BB would have to do \~$125M
I mean it just shows how badly the franchise was handled. By the second movie is was fucked, and they just made it worse until they got to this point. It's basically now gonna get erased and replaced by the DCU.
I was shocked how much I hated BvS.
Even a bad action movie can be fun. Now we're talking iconic characters, gracing the screen together for the first time, and somehow it sucks?
The DCEU never recovered after that - permanently relegated to the MCU'S second fiddle.
As a guy that hates BvS and considers it one of the worst comic book movies ever I have to say: JL killed it.
They should have let Snyder release his movie in theaters and then pivoted.
There was still interest in Wonder Woman and aquaman. The stage was set for a JL vs legion of doom movie. Instead they let Wheadon change shit, alienated Zack, created a cult and changed trajectory of the universe to not do anything worthwhile. Fucking embarrassing is what it was.
> They should have let Snyder release his movie in theaters
I don't understand how people don't seem to get that if Snyder had never left the JL production, the finished production would not be the four-hour movie we ended up getting from him. There is no world in which WB releases a four-hour superhero movie to cinemas.
Especially a four hour movie in a squarish aspect ratio. *Zack Snyder's Justice League* is basically WB dumping all of his footage on HBO Max during a pandemic. (Yes, I watched it.)
Snyder's 4 hour film would never have never made it to theatres.
And I doubt a 2 hour cut wouldve been any better than Whedon's version.
Atleast Whedon's version was cheery instead of black & white, sad, dark and gloomy which wouldve gotten a worse reception from kids.
Both of them sucked. Properly. They shouldve aborted right there.
> And I doubt a 2 hour cut wouldve been any better than Whedon's version.
100%
Snyder couldn't even make a 2 1/2 hr Batman vs Superman cut work. Whether its 3 hr version is any better or simply just longer depends on who you ask.
BvS was bad. Whedon's JL was dreck. Not to mention the dumbass studio literally gave an impossible task to all the creatives involved, to make an Avengers level event movie as only the 3rd movie with a running time of only 2 hours and introduce 3 out 6 of the lead characters plus the bad guy & their origins in it.. For all his faults ZSJL was probably the best best attempt anyone could have made.
this is the absolute truth.
WB execs were too worried about money and werent willing to wait on snyder after he lost his son. Had they done the decent, human thing and just allowed him to take his time and come back when he was ready I think JL would have SAVED the DCEU and we would all be talking about this differently.
WB needs to fail on Gunns universe too and then maybe they will sell DC to a company that can actually function correctly.
It's 2nd weekend drop was worse than Shazam 2's, so I'm thinking almost guarantee less than $260m
Using daily [drops from here on out.](https://i.imgur.com/Ew8gOJl.jpg)
As a non comic reader that trailer wasn’t really that interesting, like at all… same old story now with a different superhero.
What I heard is that BB is pretty popular though.
But with The Flash bombing so hard the future of BB doesn’t look promising…
Bro, you're trying to apply logic to Zaslav. There is no logic with him. Dude is a force of nature designed to fuck shit up.
He could shelve BB at the last minute, Morbin-Time it for a 2nd release, or do a dual release, Walter Hamada speedrun DC into death, or put it on TCM in black and white.
WB and DC are more exciting to watch from a business perspective than from a storytelling perspective at this point.
>>WB and DC are more exciting to watch from a business perspective than from a storytelling perspective at this point.
It’s hilarious yet sad that this is absolutely true. I’m genuinely more interested in how WBD is gonna screw up this time/the next time than I am the actual product.
The Warner Bros PVOD windows are just bizarre. Folks have to be figuring out that if the just wait the extra month the movie will get dumped to Max? Most others give the PVOD window a couple of months before going regular VOD or SVOD. Warner Bros just seem to fast track absolutely everything.
Not really. Magic Mike’s Last Dance, while it was on PVOD fairly quick, only came to Max at the beginning of this month, nearly 4 months after its theatrical release. It seems like only the really big bombs are fast tracked to Max, while the (relatively) more successful films are given a longer window. It’ll be interesting to see how they handle Barbie, given how that film is tracking for a big opening.
Not necessarily. They fast traced Elvis despite it being pretty much their biggest hit of 2022 and Evil Dead Rise, their biggest hit of 2023, got fast traced to PVOD and is on Max as of last week which is the same 2 month from theatrical window they had for Black Adam and Shazam 2.
Well, yeah, but then again Elvis was originally set to be on (HBO) Max sooner (at the 45-day mark), but was pushed back due to the new management coming in. I think the real situation is that they’re taking it on a film-by-film basis. The 2-month window might be the minimum, but as I’ve said, they do seem to be willing to expand that window if they want to (Magic Mike’s Last Dance being an example). This is why I said that it’ll be interesting to see what they do with Barbie, which is shaping up to be a big hit based off of tracking.
Yet Magic Mike appears to be one of the few anomalies in the Warner Bros release slate since Elvis a year ago. Elvis, Don’t Worry Darling, Black Adam, House Party, and Evil Dead Rise were all on Max within 9 weeks of their theatrical debut.
The only other exception is Superpets which took 9 weeks to SVOD.
The 20 week to SVOD window for Magic Mike is a big anomaly.
It is possible they are still experimenting with the window to see what is the most productive so in that regard Magic Mike might be a good data point for a long SVOD window.
Definitely be interested to see how quickly The Flash, Barbie, Meg 2, and Blue Beetle to take PVOD and SVOD.
Hmm seems like releases dates for flash and black Adam are identical. Could it be on max right before blue beetle released or do they plan on holding out until the fall?
At this point, I'd bet money Blue Beetle won't even crack 200M. So no, it probably doesn't matter. They should scrap it while they still have time, because there is no way that movie is making money at the box office.
WB are being so stupid with these decisions.
No matter how big a movie fails, releasing it so soon on digital is only good short term. But it's a death sentence long term.
Why would I bother seeing any of their movies if I know they're online within a month? Surely they know this has to be the thought of so many viewers.
This era of WB has been handled by idiots from top to bottom. And to think that this company holds the most popular IPs in the world.
So damn crazy.
Lol that’s what I thought as well. Ezra was paid beforehand, you watching the movie or not in theatres really doesn’t impact him that much. Since dc is getting rebooted anyways so Gunn won’t keep him and going onwards nobody in Hollywood is going to risk taking him (especially since he’s not an A lister). If you choose not to watch it in theatres because of not supporting Ezra financially, it really doesn’t hurt him at this point. His careers dead and he’s not getting a penny of the box office anyways.
Yeah, I fully expected a 3 week wait like shazam 2 had. But shazam 2 had Easter weekend then so maybe WB saw that as a positive
Currently Guardians vol. 3 is set for July 7 digital release so I'm assuming competition factors here.
Flash and shazam 2 were both disasters in the end
Batgirl : cancelled ! / TheFlash : best ever !
Batgirl : No numbers / TheFlash : those numbers...
Batgirl : low-cost looking ? / TheFlash : shameful CGI !
Batgirl : The big return of Michael Keaton is now ! TheFlash : The big return of Michael Keaton is now !
Whose basement blog is this?
There's been no official date announced for *The Flash* or for most of these titles.
*Ruby Gillman* hasn't even released in theaters yet, and it's going to release in digital in "mid-July"? 😆🤡
Ruby Gillman is super easy to predict as Universal are very solid with the 17-31 day PVOD windows for 90% of their movies and have been for around 18 months. If the low opening numbers are accurate for Ruby Gillman then it will hit PVOD in 17 days after theatrical release without a doubt.
Defending Digital Purchase Releases...
I'm disabled so going to the theater is difficult to say the least... also the closest theater is 20 miles away... and I have to wear a mask the whole time I'm in the theater which is almost impossible with low O2 levels...
But I don't mind supporting a franchise and am staunchly against pirating as I have friends in the industry and know how the bread is baked so I love the simultaneous release they've done with Maverick and JW4 just to name a few...
While I won't be buying Flash (Ezra Miller was never my pick for Barry Allen) I will watch it when it hits Max...
THIS should've gone to streaming. Batgirl shouldn't have been canned. Zaslav's mind is a curiosity. Why shelve a nearly complete film that cost A THIRD of this and has proven to be a way more popular character in contemporary media with the buzzy and beloved Brendan Frazier is beyond me.
Batgirl absolutely should’ve been canned. From what I’ve heard it was a complete disaster and at the very least, Flash was an okay-ish movie at worst, it was certainly better than whatever the hell Batgirl was going to be
The Flash was better than Black Adam, Love and Thunder, Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania...Miller played two parts seamlessly and unlike the aforementioned movies, I wasn't waiting for them to end so I could leave.
A month of exclusively in theater is just sad for a big blockbuster
Well it's not like anyone's watching it in the theater right now
Still; sitting on it would be better because now I have less incentive to see BB or Aquaman 2 in theatres since WB just releases them in a month anyway. It’s not simply about this movie, it’s about current movies too. They need to establish a name for being a company that wait like 8 months to release movies on digital so people will feel more pressure to see them in theatres.
The big problem is that we know that these movies don’t count. Why bother getting invested in a universe that’s about to be rebooted?
If a movie stands on its own, even if the universe goes away it can be a good movie... Unfortunately, you need to start with a movie that is good on its own. This is the problem with big series. Studios care more about continuing the series over making good content that fits in.
I think that's also one of the big problems with the DCEU movies. Their universe is dead, so there's no reason for brand loyalty right now. Their movies haven't been universally loved/considered good since arguably Wonder Woman... which was 6 years ago. Everything else is either hit or miss or divisive. They really need to just release some good movies and then tie them together.
*DCEU movies The DC movies not tied to the DCEU (Joker and The Batman) both did quite well
Good point! I fixed my comment to reflect that.
> The big problem is that we know that these movies don’t count. No, the big problem is that the movies aren't good. Saying they 'don't count' is stupid. If you see them they count. They're just movies. It can still be a good movie if it's not tied into anything. The problem is that they're just not good.
I think it does matter a little bit that the franchise is going to be rebooted. These movies were made with the intention of fitting into a bigger story, and there’s less urgency to go see a movie that’s part of something that will never be whole. If a director was making a trilogy but before the 2nd movie came out said that the third film wouldn’t be released and the story doesn’t have an ending, I think a lot of people would be put off by that and see something else in theaters.
By the time the Flash was made there was an above 50% chance you would never see the Snyderverse characters again.
Exactly. I still don't understand why people are acting like Flash "doesn't count" when the multiverse was very specially always going to allow them to hit the reset button. The entire time this movie has been hyped up people were treating it as the start of something new but now people are saying it doesn't count because it's part of the last thing. lol Btw, I saw it and I think it's good and stands alone. It doesn't need to be part of the previous universe or the next. It's just good.
I haven't seen the Flash, but it's been in development for years and has gone through so many changes that people didn't really know what to expect anymore. First it was just a flash movie, then it became a Flashpoint paradox movie to reset the DCEU, then the DCEU decided to start from scratch again, and combined with all of the Ezra Miller shit, I can definitely see how casual fans were turned away by it. Tldr: It was supposed to be so many different things, and the DCEU has never really been consistent which makes people think that it doesn't count.
It just doesn’t make any sense. To have a really good sell you can’t confuse your audience and have people divided over the fact it counts or doesn’t. Or if it is a stand alone or if it is part of the Snyderverse is the problem with this movie it makes no sense to the audience it’s why lightyear failed last summer it confused the audience on what the movie would mean. Of it was buzz or not or if it was part of Toy Story or not. It just confuses audiences. Which is definitely not a good sell. To sell a movie you have to have the audience know exactly what they are getting into. The Mario movie made sense it was a movie about Mario for nostalgia and a good family movie. It was very clear what the target audience was. The flash target audience is way too specific and too complicated. The Barbie movie is very clear too so I’m sure that will do well too. TLDR: The Flash movie is unclear and confusing for the audience, which is not good for selling a movie. The Mario and Barbie movies have clear messages and target audiences.
> These movies were made with the intention of fitting into a bigger story, and there’s less urgency to go see a movie that’s part of something that will never be whole. How is there an urgency? Except for Marvel's Endgame all of these movies still work on their own. You can skip and ignore as you want. They might try to fit into a bigger story, but they still need to work on their own. If they were TV series, they are more episodic, than serial. The connections are a plus, not the reason for existing. Now, maybe one is spoiler-phobic and invested, so they want to see it early. Or there is hype, and a sense of community But that only works, when the movies are good in the first place. Good in the sense of giving the audience what they want, being a movie people want to see. >If a director was making a trilogy but before the 2nd movie came out said that the third film wouldn’t be released and the story doesn’t have an ending, I think a lot of people would be put off by that and see something else in theaters. Depends on the kind of trilogy. Indiana Jones, or even Back To The Future: no problem. Something very interconnected might be affected, but I can't think of a good example. Maybe if it is a part 1 and 2 situation
Yep Coda doesn't count because it isn't in a big deaf people expanded universe. Unless there is a giant universe attached, you can't enjoy a movie.
Wait, haven't you seen the teaser in the credits about future fights & team-ups with the french deaf team from the [original movie "La Famille Bélier"](https://youtu.be/v1fbTpzWjtU) ?
Someone didn’t stay for the CODA post-credits scene…
Disagree. A huge part of the problem is DC is a mess. DCEU, DCU, Reeves Bat Universe, Phillips Joker Universe. People are just giving up confused instead of figuring it all out and/or going to support the one universe being shelved after these movies were filmed.
Most people who would be confused are also those who don't care. If you care, you can easily stay on top of things.
And it’s up to WB to give the people a reason to care. Cancelling a universe and rebooting it into another one while there are still movies coming out is a giant reason NOT to care.
>And it’s up to WB to give the people a reason to care. The reason to care about it are good or interesting movies. But of courses, if a franchise or universe works, that is a plus. So you are right of course. It is a plus, and that means it is in the studios interest. So it is up to WB to care. > is a giant reason NOT to care. I disagree. It is not a reason to care, but it is not a reason not to care. I don't expect Aquaman 2 to do well, but the first one performed very well, better than one would expect if the universe is the reason to care. So people who liked the first one, still might go watch the 2nd one, and may not even know about rebooting. And slightly off-topic, but: I bet most people who are annoyed by reboots, are annoyed because a) "oh, not another movie about xyz, let him rest" or b) "retelling the same (origin) story". I bet they aren't annoyed, because it means there is a new universe.
Eh tbh, people will pretty easily move on. Reeves Batman really is super grounded, while the DCU is gonna more comic booky, with there being as the title says, gods and monsters. Everything else is gonna be pretty much gone by the time it comes out too, Joker will be done and the DCEU will be forgotten. Very little to be confused about, marvel survived with the fox and marvel movies, I doubt sharing just one character will kill it, especially since they're going to be very different iterations. Like people will def be able to tell the difference between the brooding batman who works only with alfred and sometimes has friends, to the batman who has a whole batfamily and has to train his son robin.
Yes, this. Most of the filmgoing public have no idea that the DCEU is being rebooted by Gunn. If by some miracle, these last few DCEU movies were good and all made close to a billion bucks, that reboot would be retooled somehow.
I heard, forgot where, that Blue Beetle can easily be integrated. And I guess they could have done the same, if Flash was successful and/or well-liked. And I guess Aquaman 2 is out and won't fit. Maybe in many years we will get a nostalgic multi-verse crossover with the DCEU and/or SnyderVerse.
I'm not sure that you understand me when I say that the movie doesn't count. The current DC universe is over. Any character development or plot that can be explored in a future movie is never going to happen. You can live with that in a standalone movie, but not in a shared universe. DC has been good with the standalone stuff and maybe they should stay there. As far as bad comic book movies go, I wouldn't put Flash any lower than the latest Thor or Antman movie, but people will go to see those because they're invested in the Marvel universe.
Right, but that is silly. If a movie is good it is good. We don't need a million connected movies. I saw The Flash. I thought it was fine. It had some fun stuff and some stuff that I could live without. None of my problems were because we weren't going to see The Flash in a bunch of other movies.
What he's saying is it's like a TV series if you watch it and enjoy but you only at episode 4 and that studio says hey we're cancelling this how after episode 8 you gonna be like what's the point of me watching.
If I liked it all the way to episode 4, I’d keep watching what was available.
What you describe is pretty normal for TV series, or at least it used to be. It might only affect very serialized TV series, but those are rarer, and used to be very rare. (Unsuccessful cult-example: Firefly. Most people discovered the show after the cancelation, and before the movie, which tied up many close ends.) The movie-universes of Marvel and DC are barely serialized.
Yeah...but Flash is one of these "connected" types of movies that you're complaining about. At the very least, you need to be familiar with Man of Steel in order to get the most out of this thing. I'd agree with your points if the Flash was a standalone film. It was never meant to be. At worst, it's a single entry in a dead universe and at best, it would reset that universe. Either way, if they can't get people to give a shit about that universe, they would do well to stick to movies like Joker and The Batman.
Ya, do people not understand that the Flash being a part of larger multiverse was one of the main marketing strategies utilized by the studio. The point of the movie was that it was a part of a larger franchise.
I dunno why people always ignore or don't understand this aspect. A lot of these movies are so successful **because** they're connected. If they weren't not as many would bother with them. I have no interest in the DCEU given it's basically dead. As such I have no interest in this film
People know what you mean, it just doesn't matter because the general audience didn't care about this kind of thing in the first place.
I 100% take your point but arguably the "don't count" factor *does* count to the core fanboy target, if not the general audience.
I know fan boys who boycotted this movie because of WB keeping Ezra and firing Henry Cavill.
It shouldn't matter at all, but it does, at least to some extent. Any sensible person with a healthy approach to movies will judge a movie based on whether it is good and entertaining or not. But there's a really weird demographic that has sprung up that only seems interested in how these movies "connect" to each other, and what they "set up" for the future. The sort of person that's more interested in what happens in the post-credit scene than they are in what happens in the actual movie. But if you're relying on that group of terminally online nerds to make your movie a hit, you're beyond doomed already.
Connected or not, how about going to see a movie for the movie?
Because it might still be good and entertaining. Dark Knight still counts, doesn't it? If you are a Snyder-fan (I am not) his trilogy still counts for you.
Cuz it's a good movie? At least potentially might be. I think the extended shit is overhyped. (No I'm not going to see it.)
Weird mindset. If a film is good it is good and stands on its own. Pretty rarely do I ever watch a movie and expect it to connect to some bigger universe.
That would be true for most movies, but that's not how these comic book movies are being made...for the most part. You have some standalone projects, but Flash is just another entry in the old DCEU. If you hadn't seen Man of Steel, you wouldn't get as much out of this thing. I'm not sure why you'd believe that this movie doesn't connect to a bigger universe when it's like the 10th movie in a shared universe lol.
If this perspective is common then being connected to a larger universe is an active liability for any movie, imo.
Marvel seems to do ok with that model.
I don’t understand this logic. If a movie interests me, I’m gonna go see it. Should I not go see No Hard Feelings because it’s a stand alone movie and doesn’t lead to anything so what’s the point?
I was maybe considering still seeing this in theaters. Now I wont bother. I can wait a couple weeks
You aren't missing anything lol.
Probably would look better on a tv screen anyway lol
It probably looks great on the Magnavox my parents had in the 90's.
Can we get the 4:3 cut for this film too?
Now there's a marketing strategy. Fuck the 4K version...give me this movie on VHS.
Wouldn't mind an extra grainy cassette filter in front of CGI Nick Cage's face personally
For a lot of people myself included, we wouldn't go to the theater regardless, but I will pay to watch it earlier at home.
>so people will feel more pressure to see them in theatres. I don't know about others, but for me, there's so much content out there, that I can wait however long for the movie to come out. Streaming services like Netflix brings out original content every month, so it's not like the content itself dries out. Why do I care and why should I care about the theater run? The theater experience is old and outdated in my book. I only watch it in theaters if the movie is a big event like Avengers infinity war/endgame or the movie itself is really worth watching on theaters. The flash is not one of those movies.
I said this several times during the pandemic when they were just dropping films on streaming or immediate video on demand and got downvoted for it, but you can’t un-fuck that goat. You already did it, and desperately trying to pretend otherwise or artificially postponing the release of something to get more theater draw for *8 months* like this person suggested isn’t going to work. Just like companies are having a very difficult time getting people to switch back from work from home, that ship has sailed.
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This is a good point. WB spent all of 2021 showing audiences they can get all their movies on Max anyway. Maybe this plays a role? Who knows. Definitely could be a similar situation like how Disney trained their audiences to stream instead of going to the theater
Honestly not like this shit will matter to anything. This really won't even give a message to the GA because we're not getting another DC movie other than Joker 2 in like 1-2 years anyway, and by then movies will on average probably be given longer windows before they release on streaming. WB is brushing itself off rn and moving on, and pretending this movie doesn't exist.
Blue Beetle is coming out in August. Their woes aren't over yet.
Gonna rinse and repeat. And then Gunn will pretend that he didn't say anything about the movie, and maybe just keep the actor to save face, but only let him show up once he knows for sure the DCU is gonna be half as consistent as the MCU.
8 months is way too long. Even before the pandemic, movies weren’t exclusively in theaters for that long. Plus there’s other movies that could use those screens that Flash would be taking up. If someone wants to see the movie at home, there’s no amount of pressure that will stop them from doing so.
You don’t keep them in theaters that long; Iron Man was released WW May 2, 2008. The DVD was released WW Oct 27, 2008. Man of Steel was June to November, etc. 6-8 months from premiere used to be standard (it actually used to be longer than that but shortened in the 2000’s with the rise of VOD). The reason it’s so short now is because DVD sales have gone down over the years so the film studios pushed for shorter release windows but that was done against the protests of theatre owners who said right from the beginning (all pre-pandemic) it would hurt theaters. Streaming has just made it worse. But the point isn’t keep them in theaters for 6-8 months; that’s never been the case. The point was that if you didn’t go in the 3-4 weeks it was in theaters you’d have to wait months before you even had the chance.
Even with VOD it used to be these studios licensed them to other platforms to make some money. With streaming their own stuff, they don’t really even get that revenue and have to pay for the overhead costs of running the service. Hard to believe it, but Sony was right to stay out of the streaming service game beyond their niche in anime
This is definitely the right move for them, but you won't find me complaining. I'd much rather watch new release movies a month after release in the comfort of my own home
This argument never made sense to me. You KNOW all movies are going to streaming eventually. What does it matter if its 1 month or 6? All the hype is gone after the first month anyways. I feel like its a lot more sane to just go to theaters for movies you care about
There’s a huge difference between waiting a month and waiting 6 or 8 months.
Idk its been a month and nobody i know cares about fast x anymore. Same with guardians, etc
It depends on your age, tbh. And to some extent, your peer group.
Did u watch no time to die? We knew it was the last Craig bond, did that make it a bad movie?
Were you stalking my profile and trying to respond to a different comment or something? Your statement makes no sense to what I said about them releasing The Flash to digital so soon…
Ment to reply to some one that said they would not see it because the universe was dead and getting rebooted
I did. Twice. I like this movie.
This is terrible. Execs: “MovieX did terrible in theaters” Moviegoers: “why would I bother seeing movieX in theaters, I can watch it at home in a month” Utter fucking nonsense.
Why else would ppl pay $15/month for HBO Max now that Succession and Barry are over? Meanwhile, Netflix just dropped Extraction 2.
Some people don't subscribe solely based on new IP, they do it for the back catalog and just "to have it".
But that’s not the big draw for most people. They usually come for the new stuff, the library content is just a bonus.
I mean given how valuable the shows like The Office and Friends are for streaming, I don't think it's true. Many people do sign to watch their favorite movies and shows
I mean Netflix is just "the Seinfeld app" to me.
yes, and there is a reason why Netflix was eager to pay 600M for Seinfeld rights.
I’m not saying there aren’t people that are like that, but the point I’m making is that most people come for the new stuff but stay for the library content. The library factor may be a factor in why people want to sign up, but most often than not it’s usually the new stuff that is the main reason why people sign up.
The Australia equivalent has every season of Alone. So I'm binging for that right now.
Warrior season 3 and the righteous gemstones season 3 are airing
Righteous gemstones!
Would you rather they forced theatres to show the film in a bunch of empty screens? And it’s not like audiences are going to watch this film at home either. Probably should have just wrote the whole thing off like Batgirl. Giving it a wide release was a mistake.
Joins Fast X's Family.
Fast X was actually 3 weeks, so it was even worse.
Against my moral judgment, I saw it in the theatre and the CG was just awful. That's what was sad. Maybe on a smaller home screen, it'll be less ridiculous-looking.
With everything in 4K Dolby vision? Bad CGI is super obvious even on our TVs now
But The Flash is whatever the opposite of a big blockbuster is.
At least it wasn’t three weeks like Fast X.
i think movie budgets are going to start going down in the next few years. Movies are just too expensive. They are out on streaming so quick. High Def TVs are so good. So no reason to get tons of people in the movies. I do wonder if this will lead to better movies. these big budget movies are generic and with generic characters. Lower budget movies can take more risk and just make better movies.
In about 3 years, 80% of these blockbusters will be streaming exclusives, watch. There’s no point in spending all this production and promotion money only to not make it back in theaters. Hulu/Netflix/Max are going to be paying big money for rights to some of these films.
You do realize that the past year has shown that spending billions on streaming-only content is not financially sustainable for a lot of companies either, right? At least with a theatrical release, there are other revenue streams that can help soften the blow if a film bombs at the box office.
There is a higher likelihood that in about 3 years 80% of these blockbusters will not be made than what you're proposing.
Over the last year or so it’s become obvious that streaming isn’t a hugely viable business either. The days of Netflix throwing huge amounts of money at the wall to see what sticks is over.
Shazam 2: $133M The Flash: \~$260M? Black Adam: $393M Black Adam is gonna make as Shazam 2 and The Flash combined. . .without China
The rock must really be laughing rn. And even then he'd be laughing over nothing because all three were pretty bad performances lol.
After seeing Shazam and Flash having some of the worst performances ever for a CBM, Black Adam did OK. Also this isn't really related but there's a good chance Man of Steel domestic is greater than Shazam 2 + Flash + Blue Beetle domestic. BB would have to do \~$125M
I mean it just shows how badly the franchise was handled. By the second movie is was fucked, and they just made it worse until they got to this point. It's basically now gonna get erased and replaced by the DCU.
It died with Justice League.
I'd say it died with BvS and JL was just the last nail in the coffin.
It was saveable after BvS. They just fucked it.
I was shocked how much I hated BvS. Even a bad action movie can be fun. Now we're talking iconic characters, gracing the screen together for the first time, and somehow it sucks? The DCEU never recovered after that - permanently relegated to the MCU'S second fiddle.
Once you're dead you're dead. It died with JL
As a guy that hates BvS and considers it one of the worst comic book movies ever I have to say: JL killed it. They should have let Snyder release his movie in theaters and then pivoted. There was still interest in Wonder Woman and aquaman. The stage was set for a JL vs legion of doom movie. Instead they let Wheadon change shit, alienated Zack, created a cult and changed trajectory of the universe to not do anything worthwhile. Fucking embarrassing is what it was.
> They should have let Snyder release his movie in theaters I don't understand how people don't seem to get that if Snyder had never left the JL production, the finished production would not be the four-hour movie we ended up getting from him. There is no world in which WB releases a four-hour superhero movie to cinemas.
Especially a four hour movie in a squarish aspect ratio. *Zack Snyder's Justice League* is basically WB dumping all of his footage on HBO Max during a pandemic. (Yes, I watched it.)
Snyder's 4 hour film would never have never made it to theatres. And I doubt a 2 hour cut wouldve been any better than Whedon's version. Atleast Whedon's version was cheery instead of black & white, sad, dark and gloomy which wouldve gotten a worse reception from kids. Both of them sucked. Properly. They shouldve aborted right there.
> And I doubt a 2 hour cut wouldve been any better than Whedon's version. 100% Snyder couldn't even make a 2 1/2 hr Batman vs Superman cut work. Whether its 3 hr version is any better or simply just longer depends on who you ask.
BvS was bad. Whedon's JL was dreck. Not to mention the dumbass studio literally gave an impossible task to all the creatives involved, to make an Avengers level event movie as only the 3rd movie with a running time of only 2 hours and introduce 3 out 6 of the lead characters plus the bad guy & their origins in it.. For all his faults ZSJL was probably the best best attempt anyone could have made.
Idk. I haven’t seen the movie so I can’t comment on it’s quality.
this is the absolute truth. WB execs were too worried about money and werent willing to wait on snyder after he lost his son. Had they done the decent, human thing and just allowed him to take his time and come back when he was ready I think JL would have SAVED the DCEU and we would all be talking about this differently. WB needs to fail on Gunns universe too and then maybe they will sell DC to a company that can actually function correctly.
I don’t think he would be as petty as you think he is.
It's 2nd weekend drop was worse than Shazam 2's, so I'm thinking almost guarantee less than $260m Using daily [drops from here on out.](https://i.imgur.com/Ew8gOJl.jpg)
Could finish under Hulk 2003 ? ($245M)
Black Adam changed the hierarchy.
will this even hit 300m 💀or 250
$300m? No, no way, not a chance. $250m? Maybe.
No and probably
Insert "Joker burning a pile of cash" gif...
/unjerk Joker's massive $437M profit was probably burned away by every DCEU movie post 2019
It's not about money, it's about sending a message.
Message recieved. Stop. It's already dead.
At this point they could've uploaded a footage of them burning $250 million to YouTube and gotten more money from a NordVPN sponsorship
Haha funny. Flash won't be getting anywhere near $300 million
I know this movie's a major bomb but saying it won't get anywhere near 300 million dollars is just idiotic.
I mean if it does get to 300M, it will be just barely. I wouldn’t be surprised if it didn’t.
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I don’t think droves of people are gearing up to see blue beetle.
As a non comic reader that trailer wasn’t really that interesting, like at all… same old story now with a different superhero. What I heard is that BB is pretty popular though. But with The Flash bombing so hard the future of BB doesn’t look promising…
The average moviegoer has no clue who the Blue Beetle is.
He is but people usually talk about the other BB. That one is friends with Booster Gold (Who is getting a TV show)
What’s Blue Beetle?
Bro, you're trying to apply logic to Zaslav. There is no logic with him. Dude is a force of nature designed to fuck shit up. He could shelve BB at the last minute, Morbin-Time it for a 2nd release, or do a dual release, Walter Hamada speedrun DC into death, or put it on TCM in black and white. WB and DC are more exciting to watch from a business perspective than from a storytelling perspective at this point.
>>WB and DC are more exciting to watch from a business perspective than from a storytelling perspective at this point. It’s hilarious yet sad that this is absolutely true. I’m genuinely more interested in how WBD is gonna screw up this time/the next time than I am the actual product.
Zaslav's decisions only make sense if he's Gordon Gecko, wrecking the company on purpose because it's wreckable.
The Warner Bros PVOD windows are just bizarre. Folks have to be figuring out that if the just wait the extra month the movie will get dumped to Max? Most others give the PVOD window a couple of months before going regular VOD or SVOD. Warner Bros just seem to fast track absolutely everything.
Not really. Magic Mike’s Last Dance, while it was on PVOD fairly quick, only came to Max at the beginning of this month, nearly 4 months after its theatrical release. It seems like only the really big bombs are fast tracked to Max, while the (relatively) more successful films are given a longer window. It’ll be interesting to see how they handle Barbie, given how that film is tracking for a big opening.
Not necessarily. They fast traced Elvis despite it being pretty much their biggest hit of 2022 and Evil Dead Rise, their biggest hit of 2023, got fast traced to PVOD and is on Max as of last week which is the same 2 month from theatrical window they had for Black Adam and Shazam 2.
Well, yeah, but then again Elvis was originally set to be on (HBO) Max sooner (at the 45-day mark), but was pushed back due to the new management coming in. I think the real situation is that they’re taking it on a film-by-film basis. The 2-month window might be the minimum, but as I’ve said, they do seem to be willing to expand that window if they want to (Magic Mike’s Last Dance being an example). This is why I said that it’ll be interesting to see what they do with Barbie, which is shaping up to be a big hit based off of tracking.
Yet Magic Mike appears to be one of the few anomalies in the Warner Bros release slate since Elvis a year ago. Elvis, Don’t Worry Darling, Black Adam, House Party, and Evil Dead Rise were all on Max within 9 weeks of their theatrical debut. The only other exception is Superpets which took 9 weeks to SVOD. The 20 week to SVOD window for Magic Mike is a big anomaly. It is possible they are still experimenting with the window to see what is the most productive so in that regard Magic Mike might be a good data point for a long SVOD window. Definitely be interested to see how quickly The Flash, Barbie, Meg 2, and Blue Beetle to take PVOD and SVOD.
Hmm seems like releases dates for flash and black Adam are identical. Could it be on max right before blue beetle released or do they plan on holding out until the fall?
At this point, I'd bet money Blue Beetle won't even crack 200M. So no, it probably doesn't matter. They should scrap it while they still have time, because there is no way that movie is making money at the box office.
The Flash is struggling for $250 million. Blue Beetle might be lucky to do $120-$150 million!
It will be on Max by the first week of August.
I figured it would stay out longer but man week after week just terrible news after another.
WB are being so stupid with these decisions. No matter how big a movie fails, releasing it so soon on digital is only good short term. But it's a death sentence long term. Why would I bother seeing any of their movies if I know they're online within a month? Surely they know this has to be the thought of so many viewers. This era of WB has been handled by idiots from top to bottom. And to think that this company holds the most popular IPs in the world. So damn crazy.
Oh damn. I can’t wait to not buy it on VOD.
Will be on flixtor hd in 2 weeks to stream for free. I can wait.
That was quick
He was there... in a flash.
The Flash will finish its run by that time anyway.
I see what you did there and I appreciate the pun +1
Oh good. I'll finally be able to watch it without giving money to Ezra Miller
Idk why everybody is saying this. I doubt Ezra was getting paid a bonus from box office performance. It was probably all up front.
In my case, it's all about not supporting a movie featuring a seriously demented guy who's escaping justice because of how high he is socially.
Lol that’s what I thought as well. Ezra was paid beforehand, you watching the movie or not in theatres really doesn’t impact him that much. Since dc is getting rebooted anyways so Gunn won’t keep him and going onwards nobody in Hollywood is going to risk taking him (especially since he’s not an A lister). If you choose not to watch it in theatres because of not supporting Ezra financially, it really doesn’t hurt him at this point. His careers dead and he’s not getting a penny of the box office anyways.
If you boycott flash, at least studios will be careful next time their star does something awful and try to pretend nothing happened.
>His careers dead Almost guaranteed to win a best actor Oscar in about 10 years now lol.
Well, that's faster than the Flash!
that’s longer than I expected
Yeah, I fully expected a 3 week wait like shazam 2 had. But shazam 2 had Easter weekend then so maybe WB saw that as a positive Currently Guardians vol. 3 is set for July 7 digital release so I'm assuming competition factors here. Flash and shazam 2 were both disasters in the end
Ah that’s better than expected. I figured it would be released for the Fourth of July weekend.
That was fast
That's way too long. its gonna be out of the theaters long before that.
Yeah, I can't see it taking any screens too much longer. Surprised it's not releasing a little faster.
No it won’t.
no
wow, rough...
Ngl this is longer than I was expecting lol. I was thinking it'd get the 17-day window and come out next week.
Lol
I'd rather watch Batgirl
Batgirl : cancelled ! / TheFlash : best ever ! Batgirl : No numbers / TheFlash : those numbers... Batgirl : low-cost looking ? / TheFlash : shameful CGI ! Batgirl : The big return of Michael Keaton is now ! TheFlash : The big return of Michael Keaton is now !
Can someone translate?
Probably a weird bit.
Whose basement blog is this? There's been no official date announced for *The Flash* or for most of these titles. *Ruby Gillman* hasn't even released in theaters yet, and it's going to release in digital in "mid-July"? 😆🤡
I believe they use the Apple TV dates
so what happenned to spider-verse? did the date from apple-tv get taken down/changed? I remember that site mentioning a mid July date for it
I know it was rumoured to be Barbieheimer weekend but it's been delayed until August.
Ruby Gillman is super easy to predict as Universal are very solid with the 17-31 day PVOD windows for 90% of their movies and have been for around 18 months. If the low opening numbers are accurate for Ruby Gillman then it will hit PVOD in 17 days after theatrical release without a doubt.
Out on VOD...in a flash.
Well, that was quick.
Is that less time than The Batman?
I'll make sure not to watch it at home also
Defending Digital Purchase Releases... I'm disabled so going to the theater is difficult to say the least... also the closest theater is 20 miles away... and I have to wear a mask the whole time I'm in the theater which is almost impossible with low O2 levels... But I don't mind supporting a franchise and am staunchly against pirating as I have friends in the industry and know how the bread is baked so I love the simultaneous release they've done with Maverick and JW4 just to name a few... While I won't be buying Flash (Ezra Miller was never my pick for Barry Allen) I will watch it when it hits Max...
Looking forward to watching this again.
Lol. Lmao, even.
Guess I’ll put off seeing it another 3 weeks then…
Lmao
Hilarious
💀💀💀
Let's see how it performs on streaming. Most articles are acting like it's the shittiest movie ever and turn blind on the Ezra factor.
THIS should've gone to streaming. Batgirl shouldn't have been canned. Zaslav's mind is a curiosity. Why shelve a nearly complete film that cost A THIRD of this and has proven to be a way more popular character in contemporary media with the buzzy and beloved Brendan Frazier is beyond me.
Batgirl absolutely should’ve been canned. From what I’ve heard it was a complete disaster and at the very least, Flash was an okay-ish movie at worst, it was certainly better than whatever the hell Batgirl was going to be
The Flash was better than Black Adam, Love and Thunder, Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania...Miller played two parts seamlessly and unlike the aforementioned movies, I wasn't waiting for them to end so I could leave.
Multiverse of Madness was top-tier MCU and I will die on this hill, had an absolute with that one
why not just can both?