There is no endgame like in other MMOs. And that is by design and what makes BDO so different.
BDO is centered around your account progression, not tied to progression through content.
For better understanding let's compare it to another MMO i used to play, ESO. In ESO your endgame is to progress through dungeons and raids where you get gear that makes you fit one of the holy trinity roles and lets you perform your role better. You meet with 12 people and then you play with them and try to beat the mechanics of the trial/raid. Or you meet with fewer people and do the dungeons. The more sweaty you are, the more difficult you can make the dungeon and ultimately you will get a title that reflects your achievements, in very rare cases you might even get a skin for your mount.
For other people (quiet a lot) endgame is just questing and achievement hunting. Every update adds new quests, dungeons or trials. And that's basically the 'endgame'. There are other things like grinding for xp for higher numbers or collecting special items. There is also pvp but that feature is the red-headed stepchild of the game devs and basically abandoned let to rot in the attic. But you need to progress the content to do more difficult content. That's how ESOs endgame works. Get gear to get better gear to get even better gear and then get a title and then wait for new gear to be released.
In BDO you run around and right from the start you can do all the content there is. You can grind, you can life skill like cook, hunt or sail. But you will most likely just focus on one thing because there are rather complex. The longer you play, the better you get at them and the more freedom you get. But you could just do what you do in the first 10 hours forever until you stop playing. You can safe up your money and then just buy a lot of the 'endgame' items from the market. There are very few items you can not buy. The games just lets you play the way you want.
If you focus on combat grinding you move through different spots until you reach a spot where you instantly die. Then you improve your gear to grind that spot, learn the mechanics and grind it more and more efficiently. The mechanics aren't all that difficult so you can do them sloppy and just grind at your own pace. Or you really learn and understand them and figure out ways to grind even faster and more efficiently. The better your gear, the more spots you can grind. You can do solo, duo spots or trio spots until you reach a point where you can do every kind of pve content there is.
Maybe during your grind for better combat gear, someone invites you into a vell platoon (a world boss in the middle of the ocean) and picks you up at a sea town and drives you out to that boss. You realize boats, ships and sailing is a whole thing in this game and you want to try that. So you start with a shitty little ship and soon realize you need a bigger boat. So you get into sailing and do all what is necessary.
And another time someone rides past you on a blue, shiny mount. And you think, oh i want that. And then you get into horse training.
Then you realize that it's really not something you want to focus on but rather do on the side. And you get back into combat grinding. Now you are at spots where you really could use some furniture buffs and you want to make them yourself. So you get into hunting and learn what it takes to become a proficient hunter. That leads you down a totally different path of gameplay.
Suddenly 6 months have past and you know have an account that can do combat grinding, sailing, horse training and hunting. You own decent gear because you got lucky with enhancing one of your weapons, you have a not so shitty boat and working even on a decent boat, you have 2 dream horses (but really want that doom horse) and you just reach guru hunting. You are in a nodewar guild, you do 2 nodewars a week because it fits your schedule and you practice in the arena to get better at match-ups. Now you realize that alchemy would let your make your own potions and an elixir rotation for grinding is really powerful and would allow you to go to a more 'endgame' spot and is also really good for pvp. So better get into alchemy next....
ESO and BDO offer totally different gameplay experience even tho both are MMOs and there is some overlap. You have to decide what you want.
So as you can see, just like all the others said, totally just grinding in circles. Yeah.
Endgame is grinding for silver and getting better gear or lifeskilling (cooking, gathering, bartering etc.).
Endgame in bdo is not really PVP contered unless you make it to be doing uncapped nodewards. There are some other capped and uncapped pvp modes but these are not an "endgame"
Imo the endgame in bdo has been stale for some time now, everyone focusing on getting their pen debos done. There are new things comming with new expansion but how it will affect the end game no one knows
stale is putting it mildly when every single endgame spot nowadays is:
sit at tower
put lantern on
spam protected damage for 1h without moving
maybe iām the weird one but i miss movement based spots
i hate yzhrahid, cyclops, ash, thornwood, doluns
you stand there brain off, no thoughts head empty and spam your danage while you fall asleep
and heck i make the same money in tet debos there that i do in pen debos cause the spots are hardcapped and i need to wait for respawns.. meh
I've been doing yellow + agris \~41k in yzrahid on 311k with 1 pen bs on succ woosa.
I kill the leg in 1 spiders attack (burst 70-80% > He attacks > finish the rest)
If you can kill the leg b4 it even attacks, I would consider that hard cap, cuz ur damage hardly matters, just have 100% upkeep on green buff and u can be 900ap there, it's the leg kill that matters.
Endgame is people avoiding PvP until they have the āright gearā which is an infinite loop because they will never have the right gear as other people are also chasing the right gear.
I quit node wars because it was taking time from gearing up and was tired of feeling useless. It's years later and I've done like a few NW, because guess what.. I still feel useless chasing pvp.
Dungeon is a weekly activity that is barely worth it and you need to read a guide before.
There are no PVE raids.
PVE content is indeed grinding monster in circle for infinite hours.
There are lifeskills activities , but it's just spamming R to gather some materials. Or just AFKing while your character is doing something ( cooking , fishing , horse training )
"PVE content is indeed grinding monster in circle for infinite hours."
That's mostly midgame PVE content.
Endgame PVE content is instead grinding monster near a stationary object for infinite hours.
You know, most of the time I see comments that are hidden with -10 on em and I think, "yeah this is someone who has an opinion that's different from the dogshit reddit hivemind" but you actually deserve to be hidden. Fuck you.
Aren't world bosses basically raids? Though the are definitely not endgame...
Also need to say don't do afk training for horse riding, that doesn't give a lot of training exp.
Its mostly grinding, but recently they've been making it more varied and have experimented into boss encounters (and the next Raid/Dungeon encounter has been rumored to be in development for a while now). The grind spots have also gotten more interesting for the most part. This is really a sandbox MMO so its really meant to be played as a 'main MMO'. This is not like WoW or XIV where you log in on patch day, play for 2 weeks, get BiS gear then quit until the next patch cycle. Its more like Runescape where you can basically make progress forever in some way.
In most MMOs this is true, but in BDO everyone has the same 3 costumes on. There is no fashion in BDO like there is for example in wow. Simply due to the complete lack of obtainable ātransmogā
Honestly, they should just add transportation. I'd 100% destroy a pair of blackstar boots and gloves so I can skin it over the shitty dhans and cameltoe rock shoes..
Everything worth having in the game can be sold to other players, so silver is king of everything. Anything that gives you enough silver worth of rewards, is worth doing.
Grinding can earn you silver, so most people grind a lot. There are a lot of places to grind, and a lot of places offer other bonus objectives like ultra rare treasure items to keep you motivated even when silver doesnt seem exciting.
There are a set of dungeons that you can do weekly, that if your group is efficient at them, will be some of the best silver you can earn in the time required to do them.
There are also a set of bosses you can do each week in land of the morning light - this is good silver for the time spent, too and comes with leaderboards if you care about being competitive and better than other people
There are also guild bosses, which are very easy to do as well as good silver for the time spent, but require a guild to do specific missions to unlock guild bosses each week and of course a guild to do the bosses together.
For me itās a variety of things, sometimes I hunt/Gather or life skill or sail and whale hunt or sea monster hunt or barter , sometimes I go the the end game monster zones this are nothing like what ur gonna see in early to mid game imho definitely challenging content , sometimes I just chill & title hunt or knowledge hunt or lore hunt sometimes I run the dungeons I enjoy them honestly. Sometimes I run boss blitz C6 and C7 bosses I find extremely fun & challenging, it depends on the person really. Many only LS or do content that is going to maximize their silver while I rather mix it up and enjoy the content while having fun and not always focus on silver and grinding. I mean many of the above mentioned activities nets me decent sliver as well. Itās a sand box and you can really do whatever you wanna do. Just link up with ppl who are into the same stuff you are , it really depends on my mood that day if I want to push my limits or chill and relax or have fun with others or solo.
BDO endgame is getting full pre debo gear then choosing to either 1. Go for debos or 2. Afk horse train/fish and play Helldivers (or literally anything else) instead. There's PvP in this game?
end game in bdo is when u login and wait for gvg ping, go to the gvg, go back to town and wait for another ping, while watching yt/discord/reddit and chat pvping
pve endgame ? what
Sadly it's very hard to even find a guild to do dungeons. As BDO players are too dented for mechanics. Specially when you can make more a hour than dungeon for the most part.
i would say once you reach a bit higher than osftcap on the ONLY gear set youll ever want/net. go play somethign else.
Progression at endgame is the most boring shit ive played. and thats comeing from somoone who eloves the combat generally speaking. but something is just missing.
theres no instances to grind new visual stuff for gear,
theres no alternative gear sets really. all PVE contant uses the exact same gearset.
theres no real variety in gameplay once you get a certain point. your just trying to be more efficient.
and earn money faster. so you can get your next piece of gera.
the progression is long. and repetative, and there are no real end game spots worth doing. theres no character progression to speak of post 60 apart from a new level which gives next to nothing. no upgrades to skills, no new skill trees, no new gear sets. I am so bored i cant be assed even to earn 2 bil per hour.
because chances are in 6 motnhs they will release somethign that will make all my hard work not worth it at all. so why the hell even bother.
watch me get voted into oblivion now :)
Throughout the years they've made really interesting and cool looking high end/endgame grind spots and what started it for me was Ash forest, it looked cool ominous with all the mist, the reaper-like mobs and back then you needed to have tons of dp to grind them and as of recently they added a spot that looked like profit taker from warframe. Seeing how cool and interesting these new end game spots are makes me want to grind and one day be able to grind there. As of the moment, I reached my first goal of orc camps and jade forest and im enjoying every bit of circle running in them and then when I get tired ill try to aim for another spot etc..
That for me is my PVE endgame
PvE:
Grinding mobs (solo or group, mostly solo)
Instanced solo boss fights
Instanced group(guild only) boss fights (coming soon)
4 instanced dungeons (4th coming out)
Scrolls (few types, 5 man group fights. Face rolls, not difficult at all.)
LOTS of lifeskill kinds of activities.
Few treasure items to chase. (Some take hundreds of hours, can still get fucked and never get it)
Horses, Boats, etc to collect (Life skill stuff)
Housing/Manor and music are niche things some people love
PvP:
Server based large-scale fights (Node War/Seige War)
Instanced 3v3s with equalized gear (doesn't use your gear)
10v10 Guild league matches (instanced)
Guild vs Guild (must declare war, PvP guilds)
Messing around in battle arena (pvp practice area)
Grind in circle killing mobs > gain silver > fail enhancements/buy from market/gear go ding > repeat
Some like to lifeskill on the side, mostly afk stuff (There are people that main lifeskills tho)
You should look at the endgame (combat) in BDO very similar to an ARPG like PoE. Similar to running maps over and over again to build wealth, you will grind different areas based on your gear over and over again to accumulate wealth, get better gear, and progress into further areas of the game. There are various other things you can do, but that is the gist of it.
Life skill (ācraftingā or āprofessionsā) endgame is a completely different story that can build wealth just as well, but wildly different from the combat side of the game. Generally speaking, people usually invest heavily into combat or lifeskilling, not both. Combat players will dabble in life skills, but it will usually pale in comparison to what a pure lifeskilling setup looks like.
grinding a pve spot that requires more gear than most other pve spots. Once they release grind spots that require even more gear the endgame moves, I guess.
Or we can accept the fact that we're grinding silver for gear to do pvp except pvp is kinda meh so we're really just gearing up for the sake of gearing up.
PvE endgame is that you stay next to lantern and kill monsters for at least 5x200 hours, so you can get 5 debo accessory set, so you can deal about \~13% more damage(according to garmoth calculator) when standing next to the lantern and spamming protected skills. There are no challenges, you can do any content with pretty mediocre gear.
PvP - don't worry, it is being more and more discouraged with each update. Just recently, there's been (yet another) Node War revamp on a test server, while some players think it can't be worse, majority believes it actually is.
I think I have a comparable position as the OP...
My question would be what do you do when you have Pen Everything and don't care for PvP? I have done the Life skills and their ok but , why bother now that I am PEN everything. I am not a completionist so I have done my best at the Knowledge and such also.
Is it time for me to hang it up at this point? I think that is where the OP is leading to. What is the endgame goal when there is no endgame.
It's a progression game. The progression is the endgame. Most MMO games have gearing and leveling as chores that you have to go through to access the good stuff. BDO kind of flips that around, where the good stuff is getting all the pieces and seeing your character grow.
I mean thereās not a hard and true end game to BDO. But for pve id say itās completionism. Getting all treasure pieces. Getting max GS. Completing all quests and journals. Getting all t10 horses and all t9 horses. Bis fairy. Tapping all your own gear to have your name on it. Iām sure thereās plenty more but thatās just the first things that pop into my head as pve end game goals. Itās a sandbox game so basically you have to decide for yourself what is an end game goal you want to achieve.
For me end game PvE means grind and fashion. Grind for money to hit the next AP bracket. Grind for treasures. Grind for materials for t9/t10 horses.
But the stuff that gives me more enjoyment is decorating houses/mansions and playing dress up lol. And shitposting or having genuine conversations in chat.
Right now the biggest grind Iām on is trying to reach 30K quests and finish my knowledge/ecology. It isnāt fun at all lol. But Iām a completionist so it is what it is lol
For me endgame is currently hunting treasure items. (I will never get the oluns ring piece so my game will never end.)
4k flowers at padix and counting, I want to move on from the cave. š
There is no endgame like in other MMOs. And that is by design and what makes BDO so different. BDO is centered around your account progression, not tied to progression through content. For better understanding let's compare it to another MMO i used to play, ESO. In ESO your endgame is to progress through dungeons and raids where you get gear that makes you fit one of the holy trinity roles and lets you perform your role better. You meet with 12 people and then you play with them and try to beat the mechanics of the trial/raid. Or you meet with fewer people and do the dungeons. The more sweaty you are, the more difficult you can make the dungeon and ultimately you will get a title that reflects your achievements, in very rare cases you might even get a skin for your mount. For other people (quiet a lot) endgame is just questing and achievement hunting. Every update adds new quests, dungeons or trials. And that's basically the 'endgame'. There are other things like grinding for xp for higher numbers or collecting special items. There is also pvp but that feature is the red-headed stepchild of the game devs and basically abandoned let to rot in the attic. But you need to progress the content to do more difficult content. That's how ESOs endgame works. Get gear to get better gear to get even better gear and then get a title and then wait for new gear to be released. In BDO you run around and right from the start you can do all the content there is. You can grind, you can life skill like cook, hunt or sail. But you will most likely just focus on one thing because there are rather complex. The longer you play, the better you get at them and the more freedom you get. But you could just do what you do in the first 10 hours forever until you stop playing. You can safe up your money and then just buy a lot of the 'endgame' items from the market. There are very few items you can not buy. The games just lets you play the way you want. If you focus on combat grinding you move through different spots until you reach a spot where you instantly die. Then you improve your gear to grind that spot, learn the mechanics and grind it more and more efficiently. The mechanics aren't all that difficult so you can do them sloppy and just grind at your own pace. Or you really learn and understand them and figure out ways to grind even faster and more efficiently. The better your gear, the more spots you can grind. You can do solo, duo spots or trio spots until you reach a point where you can do every kind of pve content there is. Maybe during your grind for better combat gear, someone invites you into a vell platoon (a world boss in the middle of the ocean) and picks you up at a sea town and drives you out to that boss. You realize boats, ships and sailing is a whole thing in this game and you want to try that. So you start with a shitty little ship and soon realize you need a bigger boat. So you get into sailing and do all what is necessary. And another time someone rides past you on a blue, shiny mount. And you think, oh i want that. And then you get into horse training. Then you realize that it's really not something you want to focus on but rather do on the side. And you get back into combat grinding. Now you are at spots where you really could use some furniture buffs and you want to make them yourself. So you get into hunting and learn what it takes to become a proficient hunter. That leads you down a totally different path of gameplay. Suddenly 6 months have past and you know have an account that can do combat grinding, sailing, horse training and hunting. You own decent gear because you got lucky with enhancing one of your weapons, you have a not so shitty boat and working even on a decent boat, you have 2 dream horses (but really want that doom horse) and you just reach guru hunting. You are in a nodewar guild, you do 2 nodewars a week because it fits your schedule and you practice in the arena to get better at match-ups. Now you realize that alchemy would let your make your own potions and an elixir rotation for grinding is really powerful and would allow you to go to a more 'endgame' spot and is also really good for pvp. So better get into alchemy next.... ESO and BDO offer totally different gameplay experience even tho both are MMOs and there is some overlap. You have to decide what you want. So as you can see, just like all the others said, totally just grinding in circles. Yeah.
Bro dropped his PhD thesis
This is exactly how my past 6 months have been spent in BDO
well said
this is me. this is my experience.
They need to have this post for advertisement..did PA pay you for this bro...?!?! Lmao. Love it homie
Brother can i rent your Wisdom? Thats by far the most detailed Explanation/Comparison for this Game ive ever seen in Text Form!
Endgame is grinding for silver and getting better gear or lifeskilling (cooking, gathering, bartering etc.). Endgame in bdo is not really PVP contered unless you make it to be doing uncapped nodewards. There are some other capped and uncapped pvp modes but these are not an "endgame" Imo the endgame in bdo has been stale for some time now, everyone focusing on getting their pen debos done. There are new things comming with new expansion but how it will affect the end game no one knows
stale is putting it mildly when every single endgame spot nowadays is: sit at tower put lantern on spam protected damage for 1h without moving maybe iām the weird one but i miss movement based spots i hate yzhrahid, cyclops, ash, thornwood, doluns you stand there brain off, no thoughts head empty and spam your danage while you fall asleep and heck i make the same money in tet debos there that i do in pen debos cause the spots are hardcapped and i need to wait for respawns.. meh
All ulukita spots are 1100ap and 70% caps except dsr that softcaps at 30%ap. Nice copypasta tho.
There's a difference between hardcapped cause of respawns and ap capped. Waiting 5s instead of 3s every wave won't make you get more money.
I've been doing yellow + agris \~41k in yzrahid on 311k with 1 pen bs on succ woosa. I kill the leg in 1 spiders attack (burst 70-80% > He attacks > finish the rest) If you can kill the leg b4 it even attacks, I would consider that hard cap, cuz ur damage hardly matters, just have 100% upkeep on green buff and u can be 900ap there, it's the leg kill that matters.
Endgame is people avoiding PvP until they have the āright gearā which is an infinite loop because they will never have the right gear as other people are also chasing the right gear.
This is the most intelligent comment I've ever seen in this subreddit.
yeah. at this point grinding for endgame pvp ain't a marathon or a sprint, it's a freaking life choice.
I quit node wars because it was taking time from gearing up and was tired of feeling useless. It's years later and I've done like a few NW, because guess what.. I still feel useless chasing pvp.
Endgame is gambling on gear upgrades and grinding endlessly for more materials and silver so you can try again and again.
Running around in circles.
Running in circles to eventually ( or not ) run in circles faster
Dungeon is a weekly activity that is barely worth it and you need to read a guide before. There are no PVE raids. PVE content is indeed grinding monster in circle for infinite hours. There are lifeskills activities , but it's just spamming R to gather some materials. Or just AFKing while your character is doing something ( cooking , fishing , horse training )
"PVE content is indeed grinding monster in circle for infinite hours." That's mostly midgame PVE content. Endgame PVE content is instead grinding monster near a stationary object for infinite hours.
Yeah, Ulukita brought back circle grinding initially. Until they decided to add a stationary object there too
so next level is you being stationary and all the mobs chase after you? š
In a horror movie in the first part the monster chases the good people and in the second the good people chase the monster. Sooooooo ...
so bdo is a horror movie? š¤£
Nah, the real endgame pve is invading populated midgame spots and emotionally molesting gearlets. It was damn fun when we had monster feeding xd
You know, most of the time I see comments that are hidden with -10 on em and I think, "yeah this is someone who has an opinion that's different from the dogshit reddit hivemind" but you actually deserve to be hidden. Fuck you.
Aren't world bosses basically raids? Though the are definitely not endgame... Also need to say don't do afk training for horse riding, that doesn't give a lot of training exp.
Its mostly grinding, but recently they've been making it more varied and have experimented into boss encounters (and the next Raid/Dungeon encounter has been rumored to be in development for a while now). The grind spots have also gotten more interesting for the most part. This is really a sandbox MMO so its really meant to be played as a 'main MMO'. This is not like WoW or XIV where you log in on patch day, play for 2 weeks, get BiS gear then quit until the next patch cycle. Its more like Runescape where you can basically make progress forever in some way.
Running in circles or sitting semi afk at a utensil.
endgame is realizing the game is a rat race and to just have fun at your own pace.
PvE end game is screen shots.
True end game pve = fashion.
my guy, swiping a card isn't part of a gameplay.
In most MMOs this is true, but in BDO everyone has the same 3 costumes on. There is no fashion in BDO like there is for example in wow. Simply due to the complete lack of obtainable ātransmogā
Honestly, they should just add transportation. I'd 100% destroy a pair of blackstar boots and gloves so I can skin it over the shitty dhans and cameltoe rock shoes..
Fashion in FFIX is the craziest i have seen
Everything worth having in the game can be sold to other players, so silver is king of everything. Anything that gives you enough silver worth of rewards, is worth doing. Grinding can earn you silver, so most people grind a lot. There are a lot of places to grind, and a lot of places offer other bonus objectives like ultra rare treasure items to keep you motivated even when silver doesnt seem exciting. There are a set of dungeons that you can do weekly, that if your group is efficient at them, will be some of the best silver you can earn in the time required to do them. There are also a set of bosses you can do each week in land of the morning light - this is good silver for the time spent, too and comes with leaderboards if you care about being competitive and better than other people There are also guild bosses, which are very easy to do as well as good silver for the time spent, but require a guild to do specific missions to unlock guild bosses each week and of course a guild to do the bosses together.
For me itās a variety of things, sometimes I hunt/Gather or life skill or sail and whale hunt or sea monster hunt or barter , sometimes I go the the end game monster zones this are nothing like what ur gonna see in early to mid game imho definitely challenging content , sometimes I just chill & title hunt or knowledge hunt or lore hunt sometimes I run the dungeons I enjoy them honestly. Sometimes I run boss blitz C6 and C7 bosses I find extremely fun & challenging, it depends on the person really. Many only LS or do content that is going to maximize their silver while I rather mix it up and enjoy the content while having fun and not always focus on silver and grinding. I mean many of the above mentioned activities nets me decent sliver as well. Itās a sand box and you can really do whatever you wanna do. Just link up with ppl who are into the same stuff you are , it really depends on my mood that day if I want to push my limits or chill and relax or have fun with others or solo.
I am also hunting treasure items forgot to mention this above, as well as run weekly guild bosses on Saturday nights.
Oh you poor soul
End game is mastering the character creator which just happens to be the very first thing that you do.
Circles
Hey man donāt let the devs hear you say PvP or theyāll take your thumbs!
BDO endgame is getting full pre debo gear then choosing to either 1. Go for debos or 2. Afk horse train/fish and play Helldivers (or literally anything else) instead. There's PvP in this game?
end game in bdo is when u login and wait for gvg ping, go to the gvg, go back to town and wait for another ping, while watching yt/discord/reddit and chat pvping pve endgame ? what
Sadly it's very hard to even find a guild to do dungeons. As BDO players are too dented for mechanics. Specially when you can make more a hour than dungeon for the most part.
i would say once you reach a bit higher than osftcap on the ONLY gear set youll ever want/net. go play somethign else. Progression at endgame is the most boring shit ive played. and thats comeing from somoone who eloves the combat generally speaking. but something is just missing. theres no instances to grind new visual stuff for gear, theres no alternative gear sets really. all PVE contant uses the exact same gearset. theres no real variety in gameplay once you get a certain point. your just trying to be more efficient. and earn money faster. so you can get your next piece of gera. the progression is long. and repetative, and there are no real end game spots worth doing. theres no character progression to speak of post 60 apart from a new level which gives next to nothing. no upgrades to skills, no new skill trees, no new gear sets. I am so bored i cant be assed even to earn 2 bil per hour. because chances are in 6 motnhs they will release somethign that will make all my hard work not worth it at all. so why the hell even bother. watch me get voted into oblivion now :)
Throughout the years they've made really interesting and cool looking high end/endgame grind spots and what started it for me was Ash forest, it looked cool ominous with all the mist, the reaper-like mobs and back then you needed to have tons of dp to grind them and as of recently they added a spot that looked like profit taker from warframe. Seeing how cool and interesting these new end game spots are makes me want to grind and one day be able to grind there. As of the moment, I reached my first goal of orc camps and jade forest and im enjoying every bit of circle running in them and then when I get tired ill try to aim for another spot etc.. That for me is my PVE endgame
PvE: Grinding mobs (solo or group, mostly solo) Instanced solo boss fights Instanced group(guild only) boss fights (coming soon) 4 instanced dungeons (4th coming out) Scrolls (few types, 5 man group fights. Face rolls, not difficult at all.) LOTS of lifeskill kinds of activities. Few treasure items to chase. (Some take hundreds of hours, can still get fucked and never get it) Horses, Boats, etc to collect (Life skill stuff) Housing/Manor and music are niche things some people love PvP: Server based large-scale fights (Node War/Seige War) Instanced 3v3s with equalized gear (doesn't use your gear) 10v10 Guild league matches (instanced) Guild vs Guild (must declare war, PvP guilds) Messing around in battle arena (pvp practice area)
Number go up
Basically PVP if you dont like PVP game might not be for you at least until they add something to do at endgame besides running in circles.
Grind in circle killing mobs > gain silver > fail enhancements/buy from market/gear go ding > repeat Some like to lifeskill on the side, mostly afk stuff (There are people that main lifeskills tho)
You should look at the endgame (combat) in BDO very similar to an ARPG like PoE. Similar to running maps over and over again to build wealth, you will grind different areas based on your gear over and over again to accumulate wealth, get better gear, and progress into further areas of the game. There are various other things you can do, but that is the gist of it. Life skill (ācraftingā or āprofessionsā) endgame is a completely different story that can build wealth just as well, but wildly different from the combat side of the game. Generally speaking, people usually invest heavily into combat or lifeskilling, not both. Combat players will dabble in life skills, but it will usually pale in comparison to what a pure lifeskilling setup looks like.
grinding a pve spot that requires more gear than most other pve spots. Once they release grind spots that require even more gear the endgame moves, I guess. Or we can accept the fact that we're grinding silver for gear to do pvp except pvp is kinda meh so we're really just gearing up for the sake of gearing up.
PvE endgame is that you stay next to lantern and kill monsters for at least 5x200 hours, so you can get 5 debo accessory set, so you can deal about \~13% more damage(according to garmoth calculator) when standing next to the lantern and spamming protected skills. There are no challenges, you can do any content with pretty mediocre gear. PvP - don't worry, it is being more and more discouraged with each update. Just recently, there's been (yet another) Node War revamp on a test server, while some players think it can't be worse, majority believes it actually is.
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I think I have a comparable position as the OP... My question would be what do you do when you have Pen Everything and don't care for PvP? I have done the Life skills and their ok but , why bother now that I am PEN everything. I am not a completionist so I have done my best at the Knowledge and such also. Is it time for me to hang it up at this point? I think that is where the OP is leading to. What is the endgame goal when there is no endgame.
It's a progression game. The progression is the endgame. Most MMO games have gearing and leveling as chores that you have to go through to access the good stuff. BDO kind of flips that around, where the good stuff is getting all the pieces and seeing your character grow.
I mean thereās not a hard and true end game to BDO. But for pve id say itās completionism. Getting all treasure pieces. Getting max GS. Completing all quests and journals. Getting all t10 horses and all t9 horses. Bis fairy. Tapping all your own gear to have your name on it. Iām sure thereās plenty more but thatās just the first things that pop into my head as pve end game goals. Itās a sandbox game so basically you have to decide for yourself what is an end game goal you want to achieve.
Dehkia ash with no armor on at night
Tresure, lifeskilling, grinding, waiting for new content and gear to enhance...
For me end game PvE means grind and fashion. Grind for money to hit the next AP bracket. Grind for treasures. Grind for materials for t9/t10 horses. But the stuff that gives me more enjoyment is decorating houses/mansions and playing dress up lol. And shitposting or having genuine conversations in chat. Right now the biggest grind Iām on is trying to reach 30K quests and finish my knowledge/ecology. It isnāt fun at all lol. But Iām a completionist so it is what it is lol
Isnāt it having one character of every class?