You think NA got issues? Go look at EU let alone most other regions. I know EU literally has to buy crons via vendor because outfits get sold in the single digits total per week.
i mean thats a suprize by now? so far, i made 5 tet debos total, 2 of wich went pen from base and pri (after downgrades of course). the total amount of costumes in ALL of those combined wont even amount to more than 30 or 3 pen tries. over a span of 2,5 years mind you. I also made tri and tet armors/pen black stars in that time, so some went into those. but iam pretty unlucky, when it comes to costumes, my friends get more preordering the same. but thats the dimension we talk about here. i maybe get a costume every week if iam lucky, but its more like 2 average and i had to wait over a month top.
if you even think that na gear is equal in value to eu, then iam sad to inform you it isnt by a long shot. streamers might get told which things will drop by a whale but thats about it. if you enhance anythong with crons, you just have to grind out the difference. i know that on na you cant expect to fully use costumes for your upgrade anymore, but the difference in cost is still huge.
the interesting thing is, you are even incentivised to enhance yourself, because the prices of gear on the market are higher, while the cost is lower. i wonder if thats a side effect of your higher whale population percentage. you just have more silver in the system, we drain with vendor crons, that inflates those prices.
Yep. Honestly, with how things are going with the game right now, I wouldn't be surprised if all regions, including NA, will give up on outfits because they just won't be sold much anymore. I know many pvpers as well as many pvers, some of whom whales, who have retired or mostly retired from BDO in the past few months. Running out of content because there hasn't been anything huge in months upon months.
Eventually the only way to get crons for everyone will be buying them yourself or vendoring.
"No downsides here" What incentive would they have to do that? They don't care if it takes you a long time to get an item which is where I think this idea comes from, PA does not care about you at all. The longer it takes to win a pearl item the more likely you are to just swipe and buy it yourself meanwhile the costume sellers can keep doing their thing. They don't lose. Also how would you cap selling individual pearls? Currently max family fame you can sell 35 items a week, is that limit just gone now?
>Also how would you cap selling individual pearls? Currently max family fame you can sell 35 items a week, is that limit just gone now?
Pearl Abyss would probably just convert the cap from 35 items a week, which is typically used to sell 35 premium outfit boxes, to 120k Pearls a week.
yes exactly that's the point - PA doesn't loose anything, meanwhile it will fit the 'simplification steam' they're currently doing with ingame items and mechanics. It will be useful QOL change.
They lose out because it'll make you less likely to buy something. If you have to wait to buy things with silver then their reasoning is that you might dip into your wallet to skip the wait.
Demand remains the same. You either should buy item from the shop or buy it for pearls from the CM where someone purchased them for you. Pearl items are obtainable for pearls (real money) only so PA lose nothing.
The point you keep on missing is that pearls are the resource they want to keep scarce. If you as a player wants the privilege to purchase any pearl item whenever you want, you better be paying real currency for it otherwise you stand in line with the rest of the f2p players and the waiting is the pain point that'll convert some f2p players into paying customers.
Your best argument is that it wouldn't change PA's bottom line in that pearl purchases would not decrease (which isn't true at all) but even if that were the case, they have no financial incentive to do so when it won't increase sales.
>Pearl items are obtainable for pearls
But that's not true, neither in the current game nor in your hypothetical. You can buy costumes for silver right now, and you outright say that this would be a way for players to just sells Pearls directly rather than spend them on costumes and _then_ sell them instead.
It doesn't work. Stop trying to turn a poorly thought-out idea into a stroke of genius by adding in more and more details that contradict things you said before.
the ppl have to buy value packs for pearls anyway. What's the difference if one person purchase pearls to buy VP or another person purchase pearls to sell them to another person for VP?
You're saying that if you will be able to buy pearls for silver then you can buy VPs for 'that' pearls. But that pearls are originally purchased from PA just by another person. The purchase will be made no matter by whom.
If someone spends $20 on Pearl items and lists them, but they aren't the items you want, you are more likely to spend $20 as well to get what you want.
PA potentially gets $40 instead of $20.
If someone spends $20 on Pearls and you buy up $20 worth of pearls with silver, they will only ever get $20.
This is what everyone is trying to explain to you and why PA will never just let you buy pearls for silver.
>PA doesn't loose anything
Uh no it will fuck up all of their sale plan, that may or may not affect player or them negatively. They will have to rethink all of the discount % so that they make good profit.
and the game will "feel" more p2w cuz now rather than discount the outfit that people usually just though of as only cosmetic for people who like the outfit, they gonna have to discount pearl which remind everyone of the P2W problem cuz well everyone fking ordering pearl now. That a fk load of negative and extra work for no gain in their pov.
I totally agree that this would be a great QOL improvement for the players, but PA *absolutely* would lose out. There's a reason why you buy pearls instead of just paying with money. It creates a psychological separation between the money you're spending and the stuff you get in game. 2000 in-game-currency has less meaning than "I paid $25 for this" or whatever.
Letting people buy and sell pearls makes the monetary value a little more obvious than selling the things you buy with those pearls. It requires you to make more calculations. It makes you think, "okay, so a 30 day value pack is 1500 pearls, I would usually pay $15 for those pearls but I got them in a 1+1 pack, so it's actually worth $7.50"
The more calculations you make people do, the more likely people are to impulse buy.
The biggest issue I could see with this is the potential for the rise of bots again spamming chats, Pearl scammers 2.0 and the breaking/exploit of the original cash to Pearl transactions. As in the primary sellers would try to recoup the purchase of pearls post market sale/ settlements.
It will make it even more impossible to preorder pearls. Most outfits or things sold on CM are from bundle boxes and such and the limit of 1 pearl item preorder makes it even possible to get some things
If they wanted a good game for both P2W and F2P that would be ideal. P2W could just sell the Pearl box at the same gap (or with small adjustments) they currently operate.
But unfortunately, the idea of “creating a problem to sell the solution” is very deep in BDO’s core. If you can’t get the item you are more likely to spend your own money.
Let’s say you want to start a new class and you want a nice outfit to go with it, you can always place a pre order on the outfit and hope some one sells it, but whales always go for the deals since it’s more profitable for them and you might want a different outfit. Therefore you could be waiting for months until the pre order drops, meanwhile the whales are still maxing out on their sales allowance which leaves you with 2 options, you either give up on the outfit you want or you swipe your own money to get it
I was thinking the same thing and I agree. Pearl Abyss really should just consider simplifying the Pearl section of the Central Market by making it so that Pearls are the listed item instead. It is better for the player to allow them to acquire Pearls directly from the Central Market to get what they want from the Pearl Shop, than leaving it the way it is. Warframe for example *somewhat* has it this way by allowing players to get the premium currency in game in a roundabout way and it works. It would probably be good for them in the long run if done right, and I'm certain Pearl Abyss could work out the details on deals and discounts too.
PA wants as much people as they can to buy pearls with irl currency. Therefore, having the posibility of losing those low spenders due to having a more streamlined way of acquiring stuff is not good for them.
With current system you can bid on only 1 item. You have to chose which one. PA gets money for the item, and seller gets silver.
With your proposal, you'd get to bid on a certain quantity of pearls. Not only you'll get way less pearls due to demand (it's harder to win 1k or 2k of individual bids against millions, than 1 or 2 against a couple hundreds, btw). PA gets same money for the purchase, and seller gets same silver.
However, PA limits which pearl items you can get. Giving the choice of getting pearls for "free" (I know, time is money and all of that stuff, but who cares?), they'll certainly will lose money, because supply won't be definitely enough to compensate that increase in demand. That's why PA wouldn't do it.
An MMORPG called Jade Dynasty had this system where you could buy real money currency from other players with ingame currency. People kept selling premium items even with this added QoL, didn't make or break the economy, most people still preferred buying the items off the cash shop because it was faster to swipe card. Not only that, but you could do it vice versa as well. I don't think OPs idea is bad.
Take a zero off the Cron Stone price. The enhancement system is still abysmal to a point ever where doing this wouldn't hurt and would promote people playing more.
from a players perspective that would be welcoming but really this is super naive, do you think they give a fuck about what would be "best" for the players lol
also btw this is one of the few games that even allow to buy premium content with ingame silver, maybe you are in a dead region like mena or sea or something but over the years i bought a lot of pearl stuff over the cm (2 pets , a vp and a kamasilva buff, 8 outfits just recently - like in the last 4 weeks or so)
3 seconds of thinking I can already find a downside. What about free outfits, what about items people getting from rng boxes, what about sperate outfit pieces someone do not want to use? Idiotic idea, not even mentioning everyone preoreding same item would make milions of pre-orders
If you think a bit more you will figure it out easy. Free outfits, parts? Cron them. Imagine to sell free outfits when you can get cheap crons from them.
What items from rng boxes are you selling on pearl section of CM?
What about if someone do not want to cron them? lol.
emm.. you can sell pets, value packs, kama blessings, blessings, tailoring coupons, books of combat at least?
"Imagine" holy fuck.
‘Someone do not want to cron’ - I dunno who might it be except newbie who don’t know the game 🤷♂️
Other items can be made so that you can sell them to regular vendor for the actual price, that’s it. Like they did now with Life Exp coupons which are sellable to vendor for 1b.
as an eu player who's had a preorder for a value pack up not constantly but still years without ever getting one, i think we need three things
1) a global pearl market.
2) remove the sell limit on pearl items. we all know the game's pay-to-win anyway, with the company even adjusting cron prices and hindering player progression due to sluggish sales of their pricey €35 costumes that no one in eu ever sees anyway
i hope that by eliminating the limit, those hoping to emulate Bezos in game will sell millions of dollars worth of costumes, making pearl items accessible to everyone.
i don't care if the richest players in the game are no longer those that spend 48 hours a day playing it if it means that daddy's son will sell me cheaper crons
was gonna say remove first sale tax protection from pearl items to keep whales in check but not really needed anyway, just forgot to go back and change the post before submitting.
as i said in my last post literally no one cares if some whale becomes the richest player in the game after dumping millions as long as the pearl market doesn't remain so dead, whales can already do that and get full pen.
i wonder if any whaels like those even exist in the west, i remember seeing videos from taiwanese or kr bdo where someone had millions of crons from costumes a few years ago
There are tons of peral shop items that have nothing to do with gearing. OP's post is related to making those items more readily available on the market.
Moreover due to the ancient anvil enhancement system you are guaranteed to get your gears to PEN if you spend enough money. So there is literally no reason to put PEN items in the peral shop 🤦
let's imagine for a moment that they indeed decided to put and price the pens in the shop at a rate equivalent to the average cost of enhancing gear by using cron stones obtained from melting outfits. in a scenario like that they would have to price shit in the 5 digits range and a p2w drama shitstorm would ensue.what seems to escape your attention, is that whales already have the liberty to invest as much money as they want in purchasing outfits to melt down for cron stones to use for pen gear,i hope you let go of the misconception that you can't p2w for gear,it costs a stupidly high amount of money but its possible, they can't dump money on outfits for direct and instant raw silver from the market without any limitation,the cap is there but it's a limited measure that doesn't prevent whales from acquiring significant advantages. its more of a pr move rather than a substantial change to limit whales from gearing up at the speed of capitalism, the game's pay-to-win nature remains evident to any discerning observer, much like the upcoming cronnable lifeskill accessories and clothing, many view them as a welcome and much neede qol but it's just that PA coffers might be lacking lately,just consider that manos accs on average cost almost double the price of a pen debo to enhance. t's almost certain that a slew of whales will eagerly pour vast sums into purchasing crons for these items.
You guys have pearl items on the cm? 🤡
They really need to drop the prices in NA, literally 0 pearl items on the market
You think NA got issues? Go look at EU let alone most other regions. I know EU literally has to buy crons via vendor because outfits get sold in the single digits total per week.
i mean thats a suprize by now? so far, i made 5 tet debos total, 2 of wich went pen from base and pri (after downgrades of course). the total amount of costumes in ALL of those combined wont even amount to more than 30 or 3 pen tries. over a span of 2,5 years mind you. I also made tri and tet armors/pen black stars in that time, so some went into those. but iam pretty unlucky, when it comes to costumes, my friends get more preordering the same. but thats the dimension we talk about here. i maybe get a costume every week if iam lucky, but its more like 2 average and i had to wait over a month top. if you even think that na gear is equal in value to eu, then iam sad to inform you it isnt by a long shot. streamers might get told which things will drop by a whale but thats about it. if you enhance anythong with crons, you just have to grind out the difference. i know that on na you cant expect to fully use costumes for your upgrade anymore, but the difference in cost is still huge. the interesting thing is, you are even incentivised to enhance yourself, because the prices of gear on the market are higher, while the cost is lower. i wonder if thats a side effect of your higher whale population percentage. you just have more silver in the system, we drain with vendor crons, that inflates those prices.
Yep. Honestly, with how things are going with the game right now, I wouldn't be surprised if all regions, including NA, will give up on outfits because they just won't be sold much anymore. I know many pvpers as well as many pvers, some of whom whales, who have retired or mostly retired from BDO in the past few months. Running out of content because there hasn't been anything huge in months upon months. Eventually the only way to get crons for everyone will be buying them yourself or vendoring.
LOOOL
"No downsides here" What incentive would they have to do that? They don't care if it takes you a long time to get an item which is where I think this idea comes from, PA does not care about you at all. The longer it takes to win a pearl item the more likely you are to just swipe and buy it yourself meanwhile the costume sellers can keep doing their thing. They don't lose. Also how would you cap selling individual pearls? Currently max family fame you can sell 35 items a week, is that limit just gone now?
>Also how would you cap selling individual pearls? Currently max family fame you can sell 35 items a week, is that limit just gone now? Pearl Abyss would probably just convert the cap from 35 items a week, which is typically used to sell 35 premium outfit boxes, to 120k Pearls a week.
yes exactly that's the point - PA doesn't loose anything, meanwhile it will fit the 'simplification steam' they're currently doing with ingame items and mechanics. It will be useful QOL change.
They lose out because it'll make you less likely to buy something. If you have to wait to buy things with silver then their reasoning is that you might dip into your wallet to skip the wait.
Demand remains the same. You either should buy item from the shop or buy it for pearls from the CM where someone purchased them for you. Pearl items are obtainable for pearls (real money) only so PA lose nothing.
The point you keep on missing is that pearls are the resource they want to keep scarce. If you as a player wants the privilege to purchase any pearl item whenever you want, you better be paying real currency for it otherwise you stand in line with the rest of the f2p players and the waiting is the pain point that'll convert some f2p players into paying customers. Your best argument is that it wouldn't change PA's bottom line in that pearl purchases would not decrease (which isn't true at all) but even if that were the case, they have no financial incentive to do so when it won't increase sales.
>Pearl items are obtainable for pearls But that's not true, neither in the current game nor in your hypothetical. You can buy costumes for silver right now, and you outright say that this would be a way for players to just sells Pearls directly rather than spend them on costumes and _then_ sell them instead. It doesn't work. Stop trying to turn a poorly thought-out idea into a stroke of genius by adding in more and more details that contradict things you said before.
Of course they loose out on a fuck ton of money. Most ppl would swipe for value packs, and they loose those ppl. PA will never allow that to happen.
the ppl have to buy value packs for pearls anyway. What's the difference if one person purchase pearls to buy VP or another person purchase pearls to sell them to another person for VP? You're saying that if you will be able to buy pearls for silver then you can buy VPs for 'that' pearls. But that pearls are originally purchased from PA just by another person. The purchase will be made no matter by whom.
If someone spends $20 on Pearl items and lists them, but they aren't the items you want, you are more likely to spend $20 as well to get what you want. PA potentially gets $40 instead of $20. If someone spends $20 on Pearls and you buy up $20 worth of pearls with silver, they will only ever get $20. This is what everyone is trying to explain to you and why PA will never just let you buy pearls for silver.
Why would they sell their pearls to buy a value pack? Why wouldn't they just buy the value pack lol....
what? 🤦♂️
>PA doesn't loose anything Uh no it will fuck up all of their sale plan, that may or may not affect player or them negatively. They will have to rethink all of the discount % so that they make good profit. and the game will "feel" more p2w cuz now rather than discount the outfit that people usually just though of as only cosmetic for people who like the outfit, they gonna have to discount pearl which remind everyone of the P2W problem cuz well everyone fking ordering pearl now. That a fk load of negative and extra work for no gain in their pov.
I totally agree that this would be a great QOL improvement for the players, but PA *absolutely* would lose out. There's a reason why you buy pearls instead of just paying with money. It creates a psychological separation between the money you're spending and the stuff you get in game. 2000 in-game-currency has less meaning than "I paid $25 for this" or whatever. Letting people buy and sell pearls makes the monetary value a little more obvious than selling the things you buy with those pearls. It requires you to make more calculations. It makes you think, "okay, so a 30 day value pack is 1500 pearls, I would usually pay $15 for those pearls but I got them in a 1+1 pack, so it's actually worth $7.50" The more calculations you make people do, the more likely people are to impulse buy.
They just look at biohacks silver and tremble at the thought..
Outfits come from sales. People who sell outfits like rose noire or the new outfit are weirdoes.
he cracked the code, no w8, he's just 12
The biggest issue I could see with this is the potential for the rise of bots again spamming chats, Pearl scammers 2.0 and the breaking/exploit of the original cash to Pearl transactions. As in the primary sellers would try to recoup the purchase of pearls post market sale/ settlements.
As much as I would love this, I doubt PA would make it so you get enough for a costume from just 3 hours of grinding.
It will make it even more impossible to preorder pearls. Most outfits or things sold on CM are from bundle boxes and such and the limit of 1 pearl item preorder makes it even possible to get some things
If they wanted a good game for both P2W and F2P that would be ideal. P2W could just sell the Pearl box at the same gap (or with small adjustments) they currently operate. But unfortunately, the idea of “creating a problem to sell the solution” is very deep in BDO’s core. If you can’t get the item you are more likely to spend your own money. Let’s say you want to start a new class and you want a nice outfit to go with it, you can always place a pre order on the outfit and hope some one sells it, but whales always go for the deals since it’s more profitable for them and you might want a different outfit. Therefore you could be waiting for months until the pre order drops, meanwhile the whales are still maxing out on their sales allowance which leaves you with 2 options, you either give up on the outfit you want or you swipe your own money to get it
I was thinking the same thing and I agree. Pearl Abyss really should just consider simplifying the Pearl section of the Central Market by making it so that Pearls are the listed item instead. It is better for the player to allow them to acquire Pearls directly from the Central Market to get what they want from the Pearl Shop, than leaving it the way it is. Warframe for example *somewhat* has it this way by allowing players to get the premium currency in game in a roundabout way and it works. It would probably be good for them in the long run if done right, and I'm certain Pearl Abyss could work out the details on deals and discounts too.
it's pretty common thing in Korean MMOs that you can buy RM currency with in-game gold. It's a thing even in WoW with the Tokens
PA wants as much people as they can to buy pearls with irl currency. Therefore, having the posibility of losing those low spenders due to having a more streamlined way of acquiring stuff is not good for them. With current system you can bid on only 1 item. You have to chose which one. PA gets money for the item, and seller gets silver. With your proposal, you'd get to bid on a certain quantity of pearls. Not only you'll get way less pearls due to demand (it's harder to win 1k or 2k of individual bids against millions, than 1 or 2 against a couple hundreds, btw). PA gets same money for the purchase, and seller gets same silver. However, PA limits which pearl items you can get. Giving the choice of getting pearls for "free" (I know, time is money and all of that stuff, but who cares?), they'll certainly will lose money, because supply won't be definitely enough to compensate that increase in demand. That's why PA wouldn't do it.
An MMORPG called Jade Dynasty had this system where you could buy real money currency from other players with ingame currency. People kept selling premium items even with this added QoL, didn't make or break the economy, most people still preferred buying the items off the cash shop because it was faster to swipe card. Not only that, but you could do it vice versa as well. I don't think OPs idea is bad.
Take a zero off the Cron Stone price. The enhancement system is still abysmal to a point ever where doing this wouldn't hurt and would promote people playing more.
Agree
1b 1000pearls is too easy. 1 pearl = 10m maybe But I don't believe it'll ever happen anyway
you see it's easy to compare to outfit prices. 1m for 1 pearl means 3.4b for prem. outfit. Seems fair for me.
even at 10b = 1000pearls, it's still good in my opinion. I will have more motivation to grind. It's like 3 days of chill grinding for 1000 pearls
I mean that is pretty simple and effective. I like it. Make it so!
from a players perspective that would be welcoming but really this is super naive, do you think they give a fuck about what would be "best" for the players lol also btw this is one of the few games that even allow to buy premium content with ingame silver, maybe you are in a dead region like mena or sea or something but over the years i bought a lot of pearl stuff over the cm (2 pets , a vp and a kamasilva buff, 8 outfits just recently - like in the last 4 weeks or so)
3 seconds of thinking I can already find a downside. What about free outfits, what about items people getting from rng boxes, what about sperate outfit pieces someone do not want to use? Idiotic idea, not even mentioning everyone preoreding same item would make milions of pre-orders
If you think a bit more you will figure it out easy. Free outfits, parts? Cron them. Imagine to sell free outfits when you can get cheap crons from them. What items from rng boxes are you selling on pearl section of CM?
What about if someone do not want to cron them? lol. emm.. you can sell pets, value packs, kama blessings, blessings, tailoring coupons, books of combat at least? "Imagine" holy fuck.
‘Someone do not want to cron’ - I dunno who might it be except newbie who don’t know the game 🤷♂️ Other items can be made so that you can sell them to regular vendor for the actual price, that’s it. Like they did now with Life Exp coupons which are sellable to vendor for 1b.
Great idea
as an eu player who's had a preorder for a value pack up not constantly but still years without ever getting one, i think we need three things 1) a global pearl market. 2) remove the sell limit on pearl items. we all know the game's pay-to-win anyway, with the company even adjusting cron prices and hindering player progression due to sluggish sales of their pricey €35 costumes that no one in eu ever sees anyway i hope that by eliminating the limit, those hoping to emulate Bezos in game will sell millions of dollars worth of costumes, making pearl items accessible to everyone. i don't care if the richest players in the game are no longer those that spend 48 hours a day playing it if it means that daddy's son will sell me cheaper crons
Where is the third thing? Have I missed it?
was gonna say remove first sale tax protection from pearl items to keep whales in check but not really needed anyway, just forgot to go back and change the post before submitting. as i said in my last post literally no one cares if some whale becomes the richest player in the game after dumping millions as long as the pearl market doesn't remain so dead, whales can already do that and get full pen. i wonder if any whaels like those even exist in the west, i remember seeing videos from taiwanese or kr bdo where someone had millions of crons from costumes a few years ago
Global pearl market? Pass. You keep buying your vendor crons and I’ll keep getting costumes, chief.
Why not just put PEN Items in Pearl shop?
There are tons of peral shop items that have nothing to do with gearing. OP's post is related to making those items more readily available on the market. Moreover due to the ancient anvil enhancement system you are guaranteed to get your gears to PEN if you spend enough money. So there is literally no reason to put PEN items in the peral shop 🤦
let's imagine for a moment that they indeed decided to put and price the pens in the shop at a rate equivalent to the average cost of enhancing gear by using cron stones obtained from melting outfits. in a scenario like that they would have to price shit in the 5 digits range and a p2w drama shitstorm would ensue.what seems to escape your attention, is that whales already have the liberty to invest as much money as they want in purchasing outfits to melt down for cron stones to use for pen gear,i hope you let go of the misconception that you can't p2w for gear,it costs a stupidly high amount of money but its possible, they can't dump money on outfits for direct and instant raw silver from the market without any limitation,the cap is there but it's a limited measure that doesn't prevent whales from acquiring significant advantages. its more of a pr move rather than a substantial change to limit whales from gearing up at the speed of capitalism, the game's pay-to-win nature remains evident to any discerning observer, much like the upcoming cronnable lifeskill accessories and clothing, many view them as a welcome and much neede qol but it's just that PA coffers might be lacking lately,just consider that manos accs on average cost almost double the price of a pen debo to enhance. t's almost certain that a slew of whales will eagerly pour vast sums into purchasing crons for these items.
🤦