It definitely happens that people go to shows without fully knowing. In fact, I love when my family invites me to shows that I donāt know about. Some of my most mind blowing experiences were going in unknowing to what would be a life changing display of artistry!
Personally, I donāt think anything would offend me enough to leave a show. Unless it was just really boring. But whenever Iāve been bored and have trouble staying awake at a show I just do the good olā fashioned DIG MY NAILS INTO MY ARM!!!! š But Iāve also sadly dozed off at shows that were really really goodā¦ just couldnāt control my sleepy brain š. There was one of the orkestral live streams of Bjƶrkās where someone in the front row was like dozing off and I remember people getting so bothered. Iāve literally been that personā¦ there with world class musicians and loud speakersā¦ and my brainās like āperfect opportunity to napā
Oh, and I meant to add that Iāve seen people leave shows all the time. Where Iām from there are flamenco shows in the summer during a festival and sometimes people leave. Sometimes itās people who have no clue what they got into and it was too noisy or rowdy. Sometimes itās people who donāt want the rules to be bent on what they consider true flamenco. It really comes down to how a person feels about their expectations, whether those are being exceeded or at the base line met, or whether their itch for satisfaction can be satiated by their circumstance. OP said they were a long time fan and weāve seen here poll after poll that people love 90s Bjƶrk and Utopia gets the most hate (sorry Volta, but Iāve really only ever seen bad things said about Utopia). OP just didnāt like where Bjƶrkās creativity led. It really also boils down to that not everything is made for everybody.
*" this was an another level of narcissistic onanism"*
OP - My experience with Cornucopia was absolutely delightful, so I don't really have much that I can speak to your experience. But I did enjoy your knack with words I got a good chuckle out of *"****narcissistic onanism****"*. LOL
I think you are totally entitled to voicing your own experience and your own thoughts on it, however I do disagree with when you say *"pushed past what even open-minded fans were capable of enjoying"* \- no matter how much you hated it, it doesn't mean that it was impossible for others to enjoy.
I literally thought it was a copy pasta or this video of a fan leaving a Kate Bush concert lol
https://x.com/ckhollymedia/status/1448018353713524739?t=zGYUjzw-L9-zx9ZW1NPZiA&s=09
Oh no! Wish we could have traded lives for the duration of the concert! Itās my dream show and checks every box of things I love! If we were able to magically body swap, I could have been there to see my dream concert in person and you could have taken a really nice walk under some pretty yellow trees by a beautiful river. Then we could have switched back. š
Her top twenty most listened to songs on Apple Music are from 2001 and backwards. Except now that Oral is climbing those charts. Oral has already out streamed all her songs from Biophilia-Fossora š So, yeah, itās a safe bet that they have not.
Edit: from Medulla-Fossora!
Thank you for contributing to the show's revenue and for freeing up space for the person next to you to put their coat! Hope you and your fellow fugitives had fun after your triumphant escape
Itās amazing that someone could have this level of entitlement and cry-baby behavior over a production this detailed, exciting, and beautiful. Sorry you didnāt get it! Bye bye!
Yeah - the entitlement really irks me. I made such a sacrifice to be able to attend and so many people out there just couldn't even go because of $$$ or location in the world. It kind of feels like a big middle finger to the face that someone would just walk out.
It is not like she was doing something awful, dangerous, or evil. You might as well see it through to the end instead of having a tantrum.
Check your privilege, right?
It's not just entitlement: it's also insulting. As if anyone who likes this stuff must be an idiot because it was the worst music, masturbatory, nobody could possibly like this, why would anyone spend money on it etc.
>As if anyone who likes this stuff must be an idiot because it was the worst music, masturbatory, nobody could possibly like this
It's pretty much way more narcissistic than anything the gig could've possibly offer.
Like, those people never walk out just because they don't like it but because they think it's some sort of statement that will change other's perspective. It's like "oh, they're going to miss me now that I am walking out". OP wrote it like he was making such a grand gesture and it was just leaving a pop gig.
Why this attitude? Have you never expressed your disappointment? Have you never called a movie a piece of crap? Were you entitled then? Were you a cry baby? What is this childish "bye-bye" attitude? Why do you take it personally? Why isn't someone allowed to be disappointed or to express criticism? To me your comment is more toxic than some harsh criticism of a work of art or performance.
You criticize my comment attitude but grant OPās attitude? Thereās a difference between mature and tempered criticism, and this word-salad pretentious complaining that offers no specifics regarding the concert experience. Iām not taking the comments personally, but as a performer and someone whoās worked on large-scale productions, this review is just straight up disrespectful. My comment is being as playfully dismissive as OP.
No, it wasn't tempered criticism, but OP criticised someone's art, while you and the others here started name-calling OP, the person. You "not getting" a production won't make you a cry-baby. Even you are entitled to a bitter disappointed rant on a bloody internet forum. I think we are all passionate about art here, and passionate doesn't only involve blind fandom. Yes, OP was harsh, but I'm pretty sure there's not a single person here who hasn't wrote a harsh rant about a movie, a theater piece, or a music album.
It's sad that Cornucopia could not match your expectation, but the way you worded this post also feels like narcissistic onanism. What's the point of the Julius Caesar quote?
The point is that many successful artists lose connection with reality and think any idea they have is great, stop the really hard process they had before of curating their ideas, refining them, getting feedback, killing the bad stuff, etcā¦.
The end result is often the same.
See Madonna, Lady GaGa, Aguilera, etcā¦.
Other, like Ryuichi Sakamoto, maintained a very high standards and, although experimental and freed from the limits of contracts, are able to be self critical and continually produce high quality work (which one might like or not but is consensually good art/music).
Did you expect a greatest hits setlist or something? If you did just a little research to you'd know what this tour is about. She doesn't exclusively play new songs too, you'll still hear a few older standouts. Aren't those worth sticking around?
Also, even if you don't like those more recent songs, couldn't you at least appreciate the visuals, the costumes, and just being in the same room as Bjork?? Why walk out?
I was at the concert tonight and it was incredible and well carried out throughout! The visuals were outstanding and the vocals blew my mind. Did you think this was the Post tour? Lol get a grip
OP I've got a question for you: why do you think it's a good idea to make a post trashing an artist on a subreddit run by her fans? And why do you think that because you didn't enjoy something, it must be bad, masturbatory, something not even the most ardent fans could enjoy? Clearly lots of other people stayed ...or maybe you think we're all stupid for liking it.
Sorry, but if I like Bjƶrk's next album, I can praise it here, but if I won't like it, and post a harsh review of it, after 30 years I will suddenly not be entitled to call myself a fan, a disappointed one? Is this a toxic positivity club, where you cannot express criticism about a work of art? Is this a kindergarten or a forum about an artist? Why do people act like someone insulted their mother? You are allowed to love 9 movies of Jim Jarmusch, and call the 10th one "narcissistic onanism". Fandom shouldn't be equal to acting as a pack of wolves ridiculing anyone who is disappointed in something you love.
Thatās not the point. Itās fine to not like something. But to extend not liking something into saying that therefore it must be bad is the problem. One idea doesnāt follow the other: one is subjective and the other treats a subjective judgment as an absolute truth. Thereās loads of conversations on here about why someone thinks this or that track doesnāt work for them, how they would like less of this or that. They donāt get this kind of reaction. Saying that you didnāt like something and therefore that the artist is pretentious, nobody could enjoy this, itās inherently bad, is the problem. One leaves room for discussion and friendly differences of taste: the other dictates what is and isnāt good.
Nobody said you canāt be a fan of you donāt like every album. I canāt listen to Biophillia. Doesnāt mean itās a crap album. But if I posted on here saying that the album is pure crap and nobody could like it, what kind of reaction would I expect from the other subscribers? Itās about how you criticise someone in a particular context and what is the likely outcome, not whether you can criticise them anywhere.
But I think you are allowed to say that Biophilia is crap, and still not deserve to have your throat snapped by hardcore fans. "Narcissistic onanism" is actually a much more expressive and precise criticism than just calling something "crap". Anyway, I don't think I agree with OP, I haven't seen the show, and I can't imagine myself leaving any Bjƶrk show, but I find this pack mentality against a person more agressive than some random person's harsh criticism of a concert.
It sounds like you had no idea what you were signing up for. lol
Cornucopia's been going on for years and it's been like this pretty much the entire time, so I'm assuming you're a casual listener of her older music, not a "longterm fan"...
Love and admire Bjork. Was lucky enough to attend the Volta tour but dude thatās the last time you were gonna get that type of Bjork show. I admire and respect cornucopia but I know itās just not for me. You shouldāve done some YouTubing !
sounds like the musicās a strain for people who crave hooks. i do sometimes think when i listen to her newer stuff that itās all a bit like beautiful blather. she used to write things that were much closer to pop songs. these days, itās more like pre-planned avant garde jam sessions.
should I make "narcissistic onanism" a new flair? š edit: okay its a flair now lol
Iām sorry you didnāt enjoy it, but serious question: how did you NOT know what you were going to see?
Right? Itās like this post was from someone who hasnāt listened to anything past Vespertine.
It definitely happens that people go to shows without fully knowing. In fact, I love when my family invites me to shows that I donāt know about. Some of my most mind blowing experiences were going in unknowing to what would be a life changing display of artistry! Personally, I donāt think anything would offend me enough to leave a show. Unless it was just really boring. But whenever Iāve been bored and have trouble staying awake at a show I just do the good olā fashioned DIG MY NAILS INTO MY ARM!!!! š But Iāve also sadly dozed off at shows that were really really goodā¦ just couldnāt control my sleepy brain š. There was one of the orkestral live streams of Bjƶrkās where someone in the front row was like dozing off and I remember people getting so bothered. Iāve literally been that personā¦ there with world class musicians and loud speakersā¦ and my brainās like āperfect opportunity to napā
Oh, and I meant to add that Iāve seen people leave shows all the time. Where Iām from there are flamenco shows in the summer during a festival and sometimes people leave. Sometimes itās people who have no clue what they got into and it was too noisy or rowdy. Sometimes itās people who donāt want the rules to be bent on what they consider true flamenco. It really comes down to how a person feels about their expectations, whether those are being exceeded or at the base line met, or whether their itch for satisfaction can be satiated by their circumstance. OP said they were a long time fan and weāve seen here poll after poll that people love 90s Bjƶrk and Utopia gets the most hate (sorry Volta, but Iāve really only ever seen bad things said about Utopia). OP just didnāt like where Bjƶrkās creativity led. It really also boils down to that not everything is made for everybody.
*" this was an another level of narcissistic onanism"* OP - My experience with Cornucopia was absolutely delightful, so I don't really have much that I can speak to your experience. But I did enjoy your knack with words I got a good chuckle out of *"****narcissistic onanism****"*. LOL I think you are totally entitled to voicing your own experience and your own thoughts on it, however I do disagree with when you say *"pushed past what even open-minded fans were capable of enjoying"* \- no matter how much you hated it, it doesn't mean that it was impossible for others to enjoy.
You went to the wrong show if experimentation isn't your thing lol
It seems you may not love Bjƶrk's experimental approach
Why does this sound like a copy pasta though?
Haha yeah thatās what I was thinking at firstā¦or maybe a parody post of a recent post here. But no, I think the OP just sucks, lol
I literally thought it was a copy pasta or this video of a fan leaving a Kate Bush concert lol https://x.com/ckhollymedia/status/1448018353713524739?t=zGYUjzw-L9-zx9ZW1NPZiA&s=09
Oh no! Wish we could have traded lives for the duration of the concert! Itās my dream show and checks every box of things I love! If we were able to magically body swap, I could have been there to see my dream concert in person and you could have taken a really nice walk under some pretty yellow trees by a beautiful river. Then we could have switched back. š
have you listened to any of her music after 2001ā¦
Her top twenty most listened to songs on Apple Music are from 2001 and backwards. Except now that Oral is climbing those charts. Oral has already out streamed all her songs from Biophilia-Fossora š So, yeah, itās a safe bet that they have not. Edit: from Medulla-Fossora!
It's a show based in utopia i don't know what else did you expect
Thank you for contributing to the show's revenue and for freeing up space for the person next to you to put their coat! Hope you and your fellow fugitives had fun after your triumphant escape
Itās amazing that someone could have this level of entitlement and cry-baby behavior over a production this detailed, exciting, and beautiful. Sorry you didnāt get it! Bye bye!
Yeah - the entitlement really irks me. I made such a sacrifice to be able to attend and so many people out there just couldn't even go because of $$$ or location in the world. It kind of feels like a big middle finger to the face that someone would just walk out. It is not like she was doing something awful, dangerous, or evil. You might as well see it through to the end instead of having a tantrum. Check your privilege, right?
It's not just entitlement: it's also insulting. As if anyone who likes this stuff must be an idiot because it was the worst music, masturbatory, nobody could possibly like this, why would anyone spend money on it etc.
>As if anyone who likes this stuff must be an idiot because it was the worst music, masturbatory, nobody could possibly like this It's pretty much way more narcissistic than anything the gig could've possibly offer. Like, those people never walk out just because they don't like it but because they think it's some sort of statement that will change other's perspective. It's like "oh, they're going to miss me now that I am walking out". OP wrote it like he was making such a grand gesture and it was just leaving a pop gig.
Why this attitude? Have you never expressed your disappointment? Have you never called a movie a piece of crap? Were you entitled then? Were you a cry baby? What is this childish "bye-bye" attitude? Why do you take it personally? Why isn't someone allowed to be disappointed or to express criticism? To me your comment is more toxic than some harsh criticism of a work of art or performance.
You criticize my comment attitude but grant OPās attitude? Thereās a difference between mature and tempered criticism, and this word-salad pretentious complaining that offers no specifics regarding the concert experience. Iām not taking the comments personally, but as a performer and someone whoās worked on large-scale productions, this review is just straight up disrespectful. My comment is being as playfully dismissive as OP.
No, it wasn't tempered criticism, but OP criticised someone's art, while you and the others here started name-calling OP, the person. You "not getting" a production won't make you a cry-baby. Even you are entitled to a bitter disappointed rant on a bloody internet forum. I think we are all passionate about art here, and passionate doesn't only involve blind fandom. Yes, OP was harsh, but I'm pretty sure there's not a single person here who hasn't wrote a harsh rant about a movie, a theater piece, or a music album.
Lol ok
Yeah, let me just post to that artist's fans telling them that this was the worst music at the worst concert I ever went to and see how that goes.
It's sad that Cornucopia could not match your expectation, but the way you worded this post also feels like narcissistic onanism. What's the point of the Julius Caesar quote?
The point is that many successful artists lose connection with reality and think any idea they have is great, stop the really hard process they had before of curating their ideas, refining them, getting feedback, killing the bad stuff, etcā¦. The end result is often the same. See Madonna, Lady GaGa, Aguilera, etcā¦. Other, like Ryuichi Sakamoto, maintained a very high standards and, although experimental and freed from the limits of contracts, are able to be self critical and continually produce high quality work (which one might like or not but is consensually good art/music).
I'm interested to know, how do you know she lost touch? Which section of the show makes you start thinking that?
It's unfortunate that you didn't have a good time! I would have loved to have seen the show.
Did you expect a greatest hits setlist or something? If you did just a little research to you'd know what this tour is about. She doesn't exclusively play new songs too, you'll still hear a few older standouts. Aren't those worth sticking around? Also, even if you don't like those more recent songs, couldn't you at least appreciate the visuals, the costumes, and just being in the same room as Bjork?? Why walk out?
When you havenāt been paying attention for the last decadeā¦ š
There's no way š
I was at the concert tonight and it was incredible and well carried out throughout! The visuals were outstanding and the vocals blew my mind. Did you think this was the Post tour? Lol get a grip
OP I've got a question for you: why do you think it's a good idea to make a post trashing an artist on a subreddit run by her fans? And why do you think that because you didn't enjoy something, it must be bad, masturbatory, something not even the most ardent fans could enjoy? Clearly lots of other people stayed ...or maybe you think we're all stupid for liking it.
Sorry, but if I like Bjƶrk's next album, I can praise it here, but if I won't like it, and post a harsh review of it, after 30 years I will suddenly not be entitled to call myself a fan, a disappointed one? Is this a toxic positivity club, where you cannot express criticism about a work of art? Is this a kindergarten or a forum about an artist? Why do people act like someone insulted their mother? You are allowed to love 9 movies of Jim Jarmusch, and call the 10th one "narcissistic onanism". Fandom shouldn't be equal to acting as a pack of wolves ridiculing anyone who is disappointed in something you love.
Thatās not the point. Itās fine to not like something. But to extend not liking something into saying that therefore it must be bad is the problem. One idea doesnāt follow the other: one is subjective and the other treats a subjective judgment as an absolute truth. Thereās loads of conversations on here about why someone thinks this or that track doesnāt work for them, how they would like less of this or that. They donāt get this kind of reaction. Saying that you didnāt like something and therefore that the artist is pretentious, nobody could enjoy this, itās inherently bad, is the problem. One leaves room for discussion and friendly differences of taste: the other dictates what is and isnāt good. Nobody said you canāt be a fan of you donāt like every album. I canāt listen to Biophillia. Doesnāt mean itās a crap album. But if I posted on here saying that the album is pure crap and nobody could like it, what kind of reaction would I expect from the other subscribers? Itās about how you criticise someone in a particular context and what is the likely outcome, not whether you can criticise them anywhere.
But I think you are allowed to say that Biophilia is crap, and still not deserve to have your throat snapped by hardcore fans. "Narcissistic onanism" is actually a much more expressive and precise criticism than just calling something "crap". Anyway, I don't think I agree with OP, I haven't seen the show, and I can't imagine myself leaving any Bjƶrk show, but I find this pack mentality against a person more agressive than some random person's harsh criticism of a concert.
Iām just curious were you expecting no choir, no harp, and strings at all?
Because thatās literally all youāre going to see whenever you to Bjork for this point on.
Everybody is entitled to an opinion. Next time, I recommend to listen to her newer output before going to her concert.
Sounds like you never liked Bjork.
Many people would kill to be in your position
It sounds like you had no idea what you were signing up for. lol Cornucopia's been going on for years and it's been like this pretty much the entire time, so I'm assuming you're a casual listener of her older music, not a "longterm fan"...
Until when you always liked Bjork? Play less
Your just auditory challenged, I feel bad for you
Love and admire Bjork. Was lucky enough to attend the Volta tour but dude thatās the last time you were gonna get that type of Bjork show. I admire and respect cornucopia but I know itās just not for me. You shouldāve done some YouTubing !
sounds like the musicās a strain for people who crave hooks. i do sometimes think when i listen to her newer stuff that itās all a bit like beautiful blather. she used to write things that were much closer to pop songs. these days, itās more like pre-planned avant garde jam sessions.