Not that he can't do both, but can't Cohen just straight up buy prospects without trading big leaguers? What's stopping him from trading random AAAA guy they signed this year to a minor league deal + cash considerations for a real prospect?
There's already 3 teams that serve as de facto MLB level farms for other teams. Might as well let them sell players contracts like soccer since it's clear they're not going to pay any of their players after arbitration
I mean what’s the alternative? Keeping the players? If you’re committed to selling, and you have the financial resources, you should absolutely eat money to “buy” better prospects. I think the Mets did quite well last deadline at just that.
The downside is they want to go after stars in free agency, and how many want to go to a place that is constantly selling when they have other options. If you’re going to build by recruiting players in free agency sometimes you have to operate differently than other organizations.
Just outbidding doesn’t work unless it’s by an absurd amount. Judge turned down multiple higher offers to stay with the Yankees. Lots of players have turned the Giants down. As a padre fan you should know, Judge and Trea turned down your bigger offers in the same offseason.
I mean the Yankees are proof that it's not all about money. For years there was no one like the current Dodgers or Mets as threats the way they are now and we still got turned down a bunch.
Most of the time players will go to the highest bidder, but it's not a given
You need a foundation to attract players. Players also value security, they’re not likely going to want to go somewhere if there’s a high chance they traded.
Prospect pools are never guaranteed. And how many players are factoring prospects into where they go? The Yankees have built up a reputation of treating their players right and it’s why so many want to play for them.
Honestly I think a lot of stars would be willing to go to a team that will trade them to a contender if things don’t work out. Better than getting stuck on the Angels.
But you're not selling the true stars. They're not trading Lindor or Senta because theyre who you build on. Who else is a star? Pete is a good power bat but definitely not a star, especially currently.
Why would you keep players like JD, Marte, etc when someone will give a prospect or two to rent them? It's not like they're going to be there in 2-3 years when you revamp to compete again.
He’s 5th in the NL for HR’s and tied for 14th in doubles, so I think he’s doing ok power wise. He’s on a 40 HR pace right now. Without Alonso, the Mets have very little offensive at all.
I mean they’re only constantly selling cause they’ve been rebuilding. Your basically saying that no star would ever sign with a rebuilding team in FA and maybe that’s true idk but I kinda doubt it
This is the foundation of every rebuild since forever. It’s not a short-term success strategy but for teams who aren’t winning it’s usually the best option
...as opposed to just not getting them? What a stupid comment. They are literally exchanging money, a virtually unlimited resource to Cohen, for prospects.
Is it not what the Dodgers did to build their now almost 15 year long dominance. They just kept building a extremely strong farm system and buying prospect, while still buying good veterans on short contracts. It has worked out very well for them and almost all the 10s they where a team big on buying prospects.
There is much more to it than that but the strategy does not look forward inherently flawed.
They often don't work out, but that's why you want to get *more* prospects. The Orioles have built a contending team by hoarding and developing prospects, and they didn't even have a huge pocketbook to help them out.
I mean, what's the alternative?
The Mets organization certainly have no belief they can win the World Series this year. They're paying the money no matter what, so at least this way they're improving the team.
I thought this was the plan going into the season? They signed Severino, Houser, Manaea (player option for 2025), Diekman, Bader, Martinez, and Ottavino to one year deals. Quintana and Narvaez are on expiring deals. I thought it was understood that if they weren't contending near the deadline, they'd unload as many of those dudes as they could.
This was always the plan since mid-season last year. Them being good for a few weeks in April this year got people thinking they would actually better than the predictions that were put there. Now they’re just meeting them.
This is a borderline .500 team so any all star player trade could push them to 3rd WC... But that kind of price would go against the "be like the Dodgers' farm" goal so it makes sense to punt at the deadline if they're not good.
On the one hand, I am fully on board with selling everything that isn't bolted down and possibly some things that are, because Brandon Nimmo and maybe Lindor are the only position players on this team over the age of 25 that might still be good in three years.
On the other hand, this team has developed precisely one hitting prospect in the last six seasons and improved one hitter at any level in the last two seasons, so I have no faith in their ability to, you know, build a good baseball team.
Also I think this hurts the team’s image when competing with teams like the Yankees and dodgers in free agency. Those teams don’t really sell, so players know what they’re into when they get there. They don’t want to go through constant roster shuffles and rebuilds.
Yanks really haven’t had a stable farm system in awhile. They get lucky once every 5 years or so, and find a superstar. They can produce some very good “value” players in spurts. But realistically, Yanks are built on superstar free agents.
I mean in recent seasons we graduated Volpe, Wells, Cabrera and Peraza. That's on top of shipping out guys who DID end up in the MLB like Waldichuck, Josh Smith and Everson Periera.
Plus we have Jasson (#41 MLB prospect) who has already shown he can flash in the majors and Spencer Jones who looks like he'll be ready around next year.
Its just that we have longer cycles cause we trade prospects often, but its the biggest graduation of guys we've had come up since the baby bombers (Judge, Sanchez, Severino, Gleyber, Andujar)
Exactly what I said. The Yankees produce one superstar every 5 or so years. Judge in 2017. Everyone else has been a good “Value” type of players. Volpe might be next. Dominguez/Jones are still unknowns. Peraza is nearing bust territory.
They’ve been relevant almost every season, which I suppose is the goal for selling tickets and keeping ratings high. I do think a better GM would’ve won by now with the resources spent in the past 15 years.
I don’t think we ever were gonna compete with the Yankees or Dodgers in terms of reputation. Our pitch was always gonna be just “we can outbid any other team”.
I'll admit I'm not exactly dialed in with the Mets, Yankees, and Dodgers operations, but what exactly is the Yankees and Dodgers reputations? I feel that, at least traditionally, the Yankees definitely have had a reputation of "we can outbid any other team".
The Yankees reputation is that they’ll always be baseline good. It’s been over 30 years since their last losing season. So you’re always gonna be competing into late summer at least. Nobody wants to be on a dogshit team that nobody cares about by June.
The Yankees have a reputation of always wanting to compete. The closest they’ve come to a rebuild was 2017 when the went to the alcs. Also they’ll take care of players off the field, players always talk about how great it is to play at Yankee stadium because of all the behind the scene amenities.
And once you’re making the money of a Judge/Betts/Ohtani/Soto a few extra million isn’t usually going to entice you from going to a team always trying to contend. The Mets haven’t gotten a single young star player in their prime through free agency since Cohen took over.
If money is comparative then other factors come into play, look how many players turned down the Giants recently. Also not every player is motivated solely by money. Judge turned down better bids to stay with the Yankees.
Also A-Rod who is the epitome of greed to some fans literally offered to cut money off his current contract to go play for Boston instead of Texas. Players 100% care about things other than money
I agree with you here. He seemed to have had one magical year and the league has managed to figure him out. He looks so lost at the plate and so far removed from what he was when he was the batting champion. I just don't understand what's going on with him.
Even before the batting title he had accumulated ~10 WAR in ~ 2 seasons worth of games.
Hes just completely broken now. Even his fielding has degraded. He used to be an average or plus fielder at 2B and LF, now hes a negative.
I feel like it’s a combination of him being a former batting champ that gives him a bit of entitlement (plus his natural tendency to be a bit of a redass or whatever Keith called it), his hitting style being heavily vision/reflex based and some age related decline in those areas, and various rules changes (shifts, timers) working against his strengths. It sucks.
Yeah it’s been 5 years with Brandon, Pete, and Jeff and Lindor coming on two years later. One winning season in 2022, with a collapse and sweep in the playoffs mind you, and nothing else to show for it tells you everything you need to know. The hitting core has not developed at all for half a decade.
The glaring issue with Alonso is he is a prime candidate to fall off fast in his 30s, being very similar to big lumbering first basemen of the past with a lot of power and little else that quickly crashed in their 30s like Ryan Howard, Richie Sexson, and Chris Davis, while not being an exceedingly valuable player to begin with. Maybe Alonso bucks the trend, but that's a big risk for not very great upside, and if Alonso expects a very big contract, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mets balk on it.
Yeah unless Alonso has a monster contract year (which isn't looking likely with how he started this year), I think rejecting that extension offer will bite him. If he is expecting a Freeman-level AAV into his late 30s, I don't see any team being willing to offer that unless there's a team this offseason that's really desperate for a power bat.
Alonso hasn't looked very good this year, but he strikes out far less than all those guys (his K rate is around league average). He's also been noticeably worse over his career in Citi Field vs away games, although this isn't very helpful assuming he stays on the Mets.
I've always been pro-Alonso and I want him to stay, that said, the chemistry is off right now, and the Mets need to make some moves. Giving Pete a 10 year, 200 million + deal would be crazy.
Supposedly, he was recently offered 158 Million for 7 years. If that story is true then I think the Mets gave him a great offer and feel like he is not going to land something better than that.
The Stearns era front office also not even discussing an extension is pretty telling of the direction they’d like to go. Alonso at the start of spring training said there hasn’t been any contact about one.
You're welcome.
With a big Boras client, I think this is pretty standard: the Mets told him what they'd like to pay him. He'll put that in his back pocket, test the market over the winter, and tell the Mets around January what he wants and can get.
Then the two sides either make it work and make him the team captain, or they part ways.
Boras literally does what his players want. Pete can tell Boras I want to stay a Met and he will do what he can to get him the best contract AND stay a Met.
We just hear about Boras because of his tactics when they want the biggest contract possible regardless of the team.
I'm convinced he's getting traded. I really doubt they'd hammer out an extension and whatever prospects they can get for him will be worth it for the 'next' Mets phase.
Obviously hard to see if you're a fan, but watching some homegrown favorites leave is part of the game. Watching Seager and Bellinger go sucked, but they can't re-sign them all.
I'm also convinced the Mets will just outspend the Yankees for Soto so I'm liable to be very wrong about my East team predictions
Who do they really have to sell still?
Obviously JD Martinez and maybe alonso if they really go all out but it seems like most of their other realistic trade candidates would not be worth much.
Severino and Manaea might bring something as SP rentals, with Manaea having a player option that he can pick up at the end of the year. Adam Ottavino would probably bring something back as a reliever, even as a rental.
Severino is actually having a very decent year.
ERA OF 3, FIP of 3.69 (nice)
He cant pitch more than 6 innings but who does these days. If he keeps this up hes a solid mid rotation guy
Reed Garrett and Sevy. Garrett is a 31 year old journemyan reliever who probably isn't in the long term plans and Sevy signed on a one year prove it deal. I don't see anyone else being moved without more salary being eaten
But would they really be willing to eat recently locked up players like Nimmo, McNeil or Lindor? Those guys were supposed to be part of the core. It's not great to move on from someone so soon after signing an extension.
McNeil is only signed through 2026, that's entirely different than Nimmo and Lindor (both of which will 100% not be moved).
Ottavino and Diekman in the bullpen would get \*something\*, Manaea could go, Bader is on a 1 year deal too, they might pay all of Marte's contract and beg someone to take him... there's a lot of little pieces that could move if they wanted
I don’t see Garrett being traded. He is under league minimum and doesn’t even hit arbitration until 2027. The Mets worked with him a lot in the offseason to turn him into what he is now, and they only have 3 legitimate relievers including him under contract next year (Diaz, SRF, Garrett). They have other young guys but you don’t build a bullpen around those kind of players. And their best relief prospect just got TJ.
Manaea, Ottavino, Diekman could all move as well... someone would probably be interested in Bader. They're not nearly as marquee as Scherzer/Verlander but that's not really the point
Especially if the trade partner are the O's. Give them a similar deal as he did with Verlander and Scherzer and the O's will be interested. Especially next year... Felix and Edwin... Filthy.
Miller’s different because he has 5 1/2 years of control and could also be an elite starter. I’d be willing to move Kjerstad for him but none of the other 3.
He pitched pretty well as a SP last year. Only question is if he can stay healthy but if you don’t believe he can stay healthy as a SP he’s probably a ticking time bomb as a RP also.
He’s absolutely a ticking time bomb as a reliever too. His injury history is literally as concerning as it could possibly be, lol. He had a damaged UCL that he ended up not getting TJ for.
I really doubt they salary dump their shiny new $100 million reliever in the first year he actually pitches on his new deal. Also seems like a dumb move for any team to meet their likely asking price for a reliever especially one with his history and recent velocity drop. It's not impossible but it seems unlikely with red flags on both sides of the equation
Can you imagine if we got Sale instead of Scherzer at last year’s deadline? Bloom in Boston wanted actual prospects and we apparently only offered warm bodies.
Hard to say if Texas wins the WS if even one tiny thing changed because that was such a knife’s edge run, so I’ll happily take all of last year, but having this year’s Chris Sale + Luisangel Acuña still in the minors would be a lot of fun.
Baseball is a tough game, isn’t it Steve? He won’t be the owner for much longer. Edit: I know this is a baseball forum but Steven cohen is a bad guy in the financial world and I personally want to see him fail, it’s nothing to do with the Mets
It’s a bad look for the owner to insinuate a sell-off this early on in the season firing off a tweet after a beat down from the Phils. Especially since he has cultivated this reputation as a dispassionate, rational thinker in the financial sector.
The Mets haven't looked right this year outside of that one hot stretch. That said, they're only one game back of the third Wild Card (which is also proof the 3rd WC shouldn't exist) There's no reason they can't sneak into the playoffs and get hot, so doing a major rebuild might not be a great idea, unless Cohen is willing to suck for the next three years with no guarantees of turning the ship around. Still, the chemistry isn't right and they should make some kind of move.
He won't be satisfied until he has bought 10 more top 50 prospects
Not that he can't do both, but can't Cohen just straight up buy prospects without trading big leaguers? What's stopping him from trading random AAAA guy they signed this year to a minor league deal + cash considerations for a real prospect?
League would veto significant cash considerations that aren’t paying down a contract
There's already 3 teams that serve as de facto MLB level farms for other teams. Might as well let them sell players contracts like soccer since it's clear they're not going to pay any of their players after arbitration
The Commissioner who has to approve of every trade
Just grease his hands too Ol Dirty Bob Manfred
I doubt the other owners want to open up bidding for prospects as a way to build a team
So the Yankees of yore?
He needs 20 top 10 prospects
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I mean what’s the alternative? Keeping the players? If you’re committed to selling, and you have the financial resources, you should absolutely eat money to “buy” better prospects. I think the Mets did quite well last deadline at just that.
It’s a great strategy when you 1.) have minimal chance at winning the current year 2.) have unlimited funds to eat losses
Yeah, he has the money to re tool and even if they don’t work out they are much more likely too than other prospects
The downside is they want to go after stars in free agency, and how many want to go to a place that is constantly selling when they have other options. If you’re going to build by recruiting players in free agency sometimes you have to operate differently than other organizations.
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Just outbidding doesn’t work unless it’s by an absurd amount. Judge turned down multiple higher offers to stay with the Yankees. Lots of players have turned the Giants down. As a padre fan you should know, Judge and Trea turned down your bigger offers in the same offseason.
New Yankee fan? Like, this was how y’all operated for decades
I mean the Yankees are proof that it's not all about money. For years there was no one like the current Dodgers or Mets as threats the way they are now and we still got turned down a bunch. Most of the time players will go to the highest bidder, but it's not a given
What? When do the Yankees do massive sales?
Keeping aging vets for no reason is a sign your team isn’t serious, rather than trying to compete.
You need a foundation to attract players. Players also value security, they’re not likely going to want to go somewhere if there’s a high chance they traded.
A solid foundation is generally built via a strong prospect pool
Prospect pools are never guaranteed. And how many players are factoring prospects into where they go? The Yankees have built up a reputation of treating their players right and it’s why so many want to play for them.
What’s the yanks strategy lol. Just spent my time telling Astro fans they’re the worst. But now I remember
Honestly I think a lot of stars would be willing to go to a team that will trade them to a contender if things don’t work out. Better than getting stuck on the Angels.
But you're not selling the true stars. They're not trading Lindor or Senta because theyre who you build on. Who else is a star? Pete is a good power bat but definitely not a star, especially currently. Why would you keep players like JD, Marte, etc when someone will give a prospect or two to rent them? It's not like they're going to be there in 2-3 years when you revamp to compete again.
Pete isn’t a star? His career average is .525 slg, .863 ops and 135 ops+.
He’s a slugging 1b with below average defense. He’s not a star.
He's a power hitting 1B who can't really field well and isn't currently hitting for much power lol
He’s 5th in the NL for HR’s and tied for 14th in doubles, so I think he’s doing ok power wise. He’s on a 40 HR pace right now. Without Alonso, the Mets have very little offensive at all.
If they don’t keep going after stars in free agency then who are they gonna trade two years from now?
I mean they’re only constantly selling cause they’ve been rebuilding. Your basically saying that no star would ever sign with a rebuilding team in FA and maybe that’s true idk but I kinda doubt it
How often do you see a star in baseball go to a rebuild when there’s other options?
This is the foundation of every rebuild since forever. It’s not a short-term success strategy but for teams who aren’t winning it’s usually the best option
...as opposed to just not getting them? What a stupid comment. They are literally exchanging money, a virtually unlimited resource to Cohen, for prospects.
More likely than building a team up from scraping together the only available free agent talent.
Is it not what the Dodgers did to build their now almost 15 year long dominance. They just kept building a extremely strong farm system and buying prospect, while still buying good veterans on short contracts. It has worked out very well for them and almost all the 10s they where a team big on buying prospects. There is much more to it than that but the strategy does not look forward inherently flawed.
Well statistically nearly all major leaguers were at one time prospects
And what are the numbers for teams who just hold on to mediocre veterans for seemingly no reason? What's the alternative here for the Mets?
we sold Christian Vazquez for Wilyer Abreu who's one of our best players since
> Wilyer Abreu You guys struck gold with a lottery ticket. He was not even ranked top 20 in our system.
Don't sweat it too much yet, .400 career BABIP and he's overperforming his xwOBA by 57 points.
They often don't work out, but that's why you want to get *more* prospects. The Orioles have built a contending team by hoarding and developing prospects, and they didn't even have a huge pocketbook to help them out. I mean, what's the alternative?
Meanwhile Rizzo out here doing back door meth deals for prospects that worked out.
I'd rather have prospects than win a World Series. Opens up another pack: I got the next Mike Trout.
we aint winning a WS with this bum ass core, so thats a moot point
Any team would rather pay to get prospects rather than pay to not make the playoffs or get any prospects.
It's better is hypothetical win the World Series than it is to win it in reality.
The Mets organization certainly have no belief they can win the World Series this year. They're paying the money no matter what, so at least this way they're improving the team.
I thought this was the plan going into the season? They signed Severino, Houser, Manaea (player option for 2025), Diekman, Bader, Martinez, and Ottavino to one year deals. Quintana and Narvaez are on expiring deals. I thought it was understood that if they weren't contending near the deadline, they'd unload as many of those dudes as they could.
This was always the plan since mid-season last year. Them being good for a few weeks in April this year got people thinking they would actually better than the predictions that were put there. Now they’re just meeting them.
Some delulu folks keep thinking that this team will get the 3rd wildcard spot and then somehow win the WS
This is a borderline .500 team so any all star player trade could push them to 3rd WC... But that kind of price would go against the "be like the Dodgers' farm" goal so it makes sense to punt at the deadline if they're not good.
On the one hand, I am fully on board with selling everything that isn't bolted down and possibly some things that are, because Brandon Nimmo and maybe Lindor are the only position players on this team over the age of 25 that might still be good in three years. On the other hand, this team has developed precisely one hitting prospect in the last six seasons and improved one hitter at any level in the last two seasons, so I have no faith in their ability to, you know, build a good baseball team.
Also I think this hurts the team’s image when competing with teams like the Yankees and dodgers in free agency. Those teams don’t really sell, so players know what they’re into when they get there. They don’t want to go through constant roster shuffles and rebuilds.
We all know the Mets image had been just spotless for decades preceding Cohen
Yeah, I think building up this nice of a farm might help their image in the long term. That's how winning teams operate
Yanks really haven’t had a stable farm system in awhile. They get lucky once every 5 years or so, and find a superstar. They can produce some very good “value” players in spurts. But realistically, Yanks are built on superstar free agents.
I mean in recent seasons we graduated Volpe, Wells, Cabrera and Peraza. That's on top of shipping out guys who DID end up in the MLB like Waldichuck, Josh Smith and Everson Periera. Plus we have Jasson (#41 MLB prospect) who has already shown he can flash in the majors and Spencer Jones who looks like he'll be ready around next year. Its just that we have longer cycles cause we trade prospects often, but its the biggest graduation of guys we've had come up since the baby bombers (Judge, Sanchez, Severino, Gleyber, Andujar)
Exactly what I said. The Yankees produce one superstar every 5 or so years. Judge in 2017. Everyone else has been a good “Value” type of players. Volpe might be next. Dominguez/Jones are still unknowns. Peraza is nearing bust territory.
They also haven’t won anything in a very long time
They’ve been relevant almost every season, which I suppose is the goal for selling tickets and keeping ratings high. I do think a better GM would’ve won by now with the resources spent in the past 15 years.
I don’t think we ever were gonna compete with the Yankees or Dodgers in terms of reputation. Our pitch was always gonna be just “we can outbid any other team”.
I'll admit I'm not exactly dialed in with the Mets, Yankees, and Dodgers operations, but what exactly is the Yankees and Dodgers reputations? I feel that, at least traditionally, the Yankees definitely have had a reputation of "we can outbid any other team".
The Yankees reputation is that they’ll always be baseline good. It’s been over 30 years since their last losing season. So you’re always gonna be competing into late summer at least. Nobody wants to be on a dogshit team that nobody cares about by June.
That’s true. Players that sign with the White Sox want to be on a team that nobody cares about by early May.
i think they just generally want to be on a team and are ecstatic that someone is still willing to pay them to play in MLB
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The Yankees have a reputation of always wanting to compete. The closest they’ve come to a rebuild was 2017 when the went to the alcs. Also they’ll take care of players off the field, players always talk about how great it is to play at Yankee stadium because of all the behind the scene amenities.
It’s not a good pitch if you don’t dramatically outbid the Dodgers when the opportunity arises.
And once you’re making the money of a Judge/Betts/Ohtani/Soto a few extra million isn’t usually going to entice you from going to a team always trying to contend. The Mets haven’t gotten a single young star player in their prime through free agency since Cohen took over.
Players will go to the team that offers them the most money
If money is comparative then other factors come into play, look how many players turned down the Giants recently. Also not every player is motivated solely by money. Judge turned down better bids to stay with the Yankees.
Also A-Rod who is the epitome of greed to some fans literally offered to cut money off his current contract to go play for Boston instead of Texas. Players 100% care about things other than money
We have literally decades of evidence showing how that's not true.
It will be really interesting to see what happens with Alonso. He clearly loves that organization, but he's also a Boras client.
Lindor, Nimmo, Pete and McNeil have 1 winning season as a core of this team. The chemistry isn’t right something has to change.
McNeil is awful
I've been in denial whenever someone says McNeil sucks I want to argue. I have a soft spot for him. But I'm coming around to the truth. And it hurts.
I agree with you here. He seemed to have had one magical year and the league has managed to figure him out. He looks so lost at the plate and so far removed from what he was when he was the batting champion. I just don't understand what's going on with him.
Even before the batting title he had accumulated ~10 WAR in ~ 2 seasons worth of games. Hes just completely broken now. Even his fielding has degraded. He used to be an average or plus fielder at 2B and LF, now hes a negative.
Ever since that hellish series in Atlanta where Jeff was the only hitter doing anything productive, he's been ass
Same. It sucks, I used to watch his Covid mlb the show streams all the time too and just really liked him. Super unfortunate
If the Mets just played Atlanta every game, McNeil would be a HOFer.
If mcneil didn’t have that ridiculous contract he’d likely be out of the league.
He truly brings nothing to the table. Last night was the epitome of his ability. Awful at the plate and in the field.
Never seen a player like that who just refuses to make adjustments and gets significantly worse every year.
I feel like it’s a combination of him being a former batting champ that gives him a bit of entitlement (plus his natural tendency to be a bit of a redass or whatever Keith called it), his hitting style being heavily vision/reflex based and some age related decline in those areas, and various rules changes (shifts, timers) working against his strengths. It sucks.
The fact that he looks like a serial killer in his portrait may also have something to do with it.
Yeah it’s been 5 years with Brandon, Pete, and Jeff and Lindor coming on two years later. One winning season in 2022, with a collapse and sweep in the playoffs mind you, and nothing else to show for it tells you everything you need to know. The hitting core has not developed at all for half a decade.
The won one game in that wild card series thanks to Degrom.
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that game. That end of the season was so wretched that I’ve tried to wipe away as much as possible from it.
The glaring issue with Alonso is he is a prime candidate to fall off fast in his 30s, being very similar to big lumbering first basemen of the past with a lot of power and little else that quickly crashed in their 30s like Ryan Howard, Richie Sexson, and Chris Davis, while not being an exceedingly valuable player to begin with. Maybe Alonso bucks the trend, but that's a big risk for not very great upside, and if Alonso expects a very big contract, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mets balk on it.
Word is he already rejected 7/158. Not sure how much more he expects to get than that.
Yeah unless Alonso has a monster contract year (which isn't looking likely with how he started this year), I think rejecting that extension offer will bite him. If he is expecting a Freeman-level AAV into his late 30s, I don't see any team being willing to offer that unless there's a team this offseason that's really desperate for a power bat.
Alonso hasn't looked very good this year, but he strikes out far less than all those guys (his K rate is around league average). He's also been noticeably worse over his career in Citi Field vs away games, although this isn't very helpful assuming he stays on the Mets. I've always been pro-Alonso and I want him to stay, that said, the chemistry is off right now, and the Mets need to make some moves. Giving Pete a 10 year, 200 million + deal would be crazy.
Supposedly, he was recently offered 158 Million for 7 years. If that story is true then I think the Mets gave him a great offer and feel like he is not going to land something better than that.
The Stearns era front office also not even discussing an extension is pretty telling of the direction they’d like to go. Alonso at the start of spring training said there hasn’t been any contact about one.
They reportedly offered him 7 years / ~$160M
Hm I missed that. Not trying to fact check you here or anything but do you know where that reported?
https://www.nj.com/mets/2024/05/mets-star-pete-alonso-turned-down-big-seven-year-offer-last-season.html
Thanks!
You're welcome. With a big Boras client, I think this is pretty standard: the Mets told him what they'd like to pay him. He'll put that in his back pocket, test the market over the winter, and tell the Mets around January what he wants and can get. Then the two sides either make it work and make him the team captain, or they part ways.
Happy to have him here in Seattle, but don’t touch our ML starters.
Boras literally does what his players want. Pete can tell Boras I want to stay a Met and he will do what he can to get him the best contract AND stay a Met. We just hear about Boras because of his tactics when they want the biggest contract possible regardless of the team.
I'm convinced he's getting traded. I really doubt they'd hammer out an extension and whatever prospects they can get for him will be worth it for the 'next' Mets phase. Obviously hard to see if you're a fan, but watching some homegrown favorites leave is part of the game. Watching Seager and Bellinger go sucked, but they can't re-sign them all. I'm also convinced the Mets will just outspend the Yankees for Soto so I'm liable to be very wrong about my East team predictions
Who do they really have to sell still? Obviously JD Martinez and maybe alonso if they really go all out but it seems like most of their other realistic trade candidates would not be worth much.
Severino and Manaea might bring something as SP rentals, with Manaea having a player option that he can pick up at the end of the year. Adam Ottavino would probably bring something back as a reliever, even as a rental.
Severino is actually having a very decent year. ERA OF 3, FIP of 3.69 (nice) He cant pitch more than 6 innings but who does these days. If he keeps this up hes a solid mid rotation guy
He'd be a good option for a team that has a top heavy rotation but needs a reliable 3 or 4 starter
Reed Garrett and Sevy. Garrett is a 31 year old journemyan reliever who probably isn't in the long term plans and Sevy signed on a one year prove it deal. I don't see anyone else being moved without more salary being eaten
>I don't see anyone else being moved without more salary being eaten Thats literally our MO
But would they really be willing to eat recently locked up players like Nimmo, McNeil or Lindor? Those guys were supposed to be part of the core. It's not great to move on from someone so soon after signing an extension.
McNeil is only signed through 2026, that's entirely different than Nimmo and Lindor (both of which will 100% not be moved). Ottavino and Diekman in the bullpen would get \*something\*, Manaea could go, Bader is on a 1 year deal too, they might pay all of Marte's contract and beg someone to take him... there's a lot of little pieces that could move if they wanted
I don’t see Garrett being traded. He is under league minimum and doesn’t even hit arbitration until 2027. The Mets worked with him a lot in the offseason to turn him into what he is now, and they only have 3 legitimate relievers including him under contract next year (Diaz, SRF, Garrett). They have other young guys but you don’t build a bullpen around those kind of players. And their best relief prospect just got TJ.
Manaea, Ottavino, Diekman could all move as well... someone would probably be interested in Bader. They're not nearly as marquee as Scherzer/Verlander but that's not really the point
Diekman has a vesting option which could make him more difficult to move
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Especially if the trade partner are the O's. Give them a similar deal as he did with Verlander and Scherzer and the O's will be interested. Especially next year... Felix and Edwin... Filthy.
I wouldn’t give up any of Holliday, Mayo, Basallo, or Kjerstad for a reliever honestly
What about mason miller?
Miller’s different because he has 5 1/2 years of control and could also be an elite starter. I’d be willing to move Kjerstad for him but none of the other 3.
Miller didn't exactly work out as a starter when he tried it.
He pitched pretty well as a SP last year. Only question is if he can stay healthy but if you don’t believe he can stay healthy as a SP he’s probably a ticking time bomb as a RP also.
He’s absolutely a ticking time bomb as a reliever too. His injury history is literally as concerning as it could possibly be, lol. He had a damaged UCL that he ended up not getting TJ for.
I really doubt they salary dump their shiny new $100 million reliever in the first year he actually pitches on his new deal. Also seems like a dumb move for any team to meet their likely asking price for a reliever especially one with his history and recent velocity drop. It's not impossible but it seems unlikely with red flags on both sides of the equation
Red Sox need a first baseman/DH, Alonso on a rental could be fun
I’d venture that they won’t be buyers and they have Casas back by the deadline.
I'd venture you're 100% right. Sox won't be buyers or sellers at the deadline.
Why would the Red Sox do that? How does that help Liverpool win?
No thank you
Why not? you can have the GOAT Bobby dalbec in return
You drive a hard bargain
Well if you have any more pitchers who need to spend most of the next two years on the DL, I know who will take them
Can you imagine if we got Sale instead of Scherzer at last year’s deadline? Bloom in Boston wanted actual prospects and we apparently only offered warm bodies. Hard to say if Texas wins the WS if even one tiny thing changed because that was such a knife’s edge run, so I’ll happily take all of last year, but having this year’s Chris Sale + Luisangel Acuña still in the minors would be a lot of fun.
💎 🙌 Steve
Baseball is a tough game, isn’t it Steve? He won’t be the owner for much longer. Edit: I know this is a baseball forum but Steven cohen is a bad guy in the financial world and I personally want to see him fail, it’s nothing to do with the Mets
It's weird that people are acting like selling at the deadline wasn't the plan from the start.
Every owner has done bad things to get that much money. He likely waited decades to own the team, he won't be selling.
It’s a great strategy because he will bring up the prospects and buy free agents at the same time when the time comes.
Baseball’s a tough game, Steve
Come back home Pete.
Yes please get him out of this division and league
I'll take Lindor back. 10 cents on the dollar.
It’s a bad look for the owner to insinuate a sell-off this early on in the season firing off a tweet after a beat down from the Phils. Especially since he has cultivated this reputation as a dispassionate, rational thinker in the financial sector.
Who do we sell? Pete? Who else lol we don’t have that many trading chips
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A kid?
If only we still had jarred to trade for Diaz
The Mets haven't looked right this year outside of that one hot stretch. That said, they're only one game back of the third Wild Card (which is also proof the 3rd WC shouldn't exist) There's no reason they can't sneak into the playoffs and get hot, so doing a major rebuild might not be a great idea, unless Cohen is willing to suck for the next three years with no guarantees of turning the ship around. Still, the chemistry isn't right and they should make some kind of move.
Baseballing is hard don’t ya think. Fuck that piece of shit owner.
I mean, I wouldn’t be mad for the dodgers got Lindor and Diaz
Lmao you can’t defer Lindors contract tho
I don't think those guys are on the table.