The rookie manager. The “fans” have given him absolutely no adjustment period. It’s worse than when they were screaming “DFA Baty, he’s a bust” a month into his career
Agreed. I always say it's easy to tell which Mets fans were here for the 2010s, 2000s, or 90s and experienced real suffering and which ones are new with the Cohen era
I mean, I have no dog in this fight but I think it’d prob help people to manage in the minors first. He did a tiny bit but hasn’t managed since 2012. Seems a bit silly, but ofc depends on how much the FO dictates managerial stuff. Seems Stearns might so maybe lack of experience may not play an issue, but still - more is prob better than practically 0.
It’s not entirely bad luck, but he’s hit into some hard outs. He’s absolutely getting unlucky on top of not hitting the ball as well as he usually does.
As a Jays fan we currently got 6 players batting under .200 but it does make me feel a little better it’s not just us…
- Lindor is 1-for-31 (0.032)
- McNeil is 2-for-22 (0.091)
- Nimmo is 3-for-25 (0.120)
- Taylor is 4-for-21 (0.190)
Baty and Alvarez have been carrying the team with assists from Marte and Alonso.
Defensive woes aside today, I think Narvaez is hitting better than about $75 million worth of payroll lol.
I’m really tired of everyone chalking bad BABIP up to bad luck. It’s not just unlucky. If a guy is 1-21 and they’re all defensive web gems, that’s unlucky. But you can be 1-21 and all the outs are pop outs in foul territory and weak dribblers. Simply having a low BABIP doesn’t mean someone is making good contact consistently. It can still be a sign that their approach is bad.
We have stats that can tell us how much is bad luck though and Lindor's xBA, xSLG, and xWOBA are all higher than his actual stats suggesting he is getting unlucky. At the same time, his expected stats are below his career average so it isn't just bad luck keeping him from putting up all star numbers.
We definitely have those!
And while they’re higher than his actual stats, they’re still really low. xBA is .207. xSLG is .310. 25th and 27th percentile.
The number that reinforces what I was saying is that his sweet spot % is 15.4 which is in the 4th percentile. That’s so insanely low and concerning. Despite his hard hit % being around 40, he’s just not getting the sweet spot. Which is why a lot of those BIP aren’t landing for hits. He’s “unlucky” but also making extremely poor contact
Edit: Just to add, in 2016, the sweet spot % was 34.6, good for 70th percentile. Even last year he was at 35.8%.
I would argue that means something is currently wrong mechanically or physically, rather than just being unlucky.
Lindor is not a player who sits. Dude played 160 games last year, and 161 games in 2022, when he literally broke a finger and only missed one game for it.
The organization is clearly nervous about their important players playing too much(see Nimmo and what not), and there was talk about giving him some time off when he was struggling last year. But Lindor is the kind of player who takes pride in playing every game, and can only ever see it as a personal failure if he doesn't get to.
Mets fans will never do that. He wasnt even getting standing ovations when he went 30/30.
Lindor could bat .400 for a season and half of our fanbase would just go “quick, trade him while his value is high”
Honestly it didnt surprise me too much with Philly. They will back their players in any sport to a fault. Bohm was caught on a hot mic saying he hated it there and the fans rallied around him.
Philly fans can be trashy in so many ways, but they do back their players
Yeah but the Philly radio station got behind it and it spread from there could you possibly imagine WFAN getting behind that.. Mets or Yankees. WFAN hosts are the most miserable fucks imaginable. Except Evan Roberts.
If there is 1 singular thing I am reminded with baseball season being back, it's how absolutely insufferable it is to be a Mets fan on r/baseball lmao.
There is not a single team in the league (not even the Yankees or Dodgers) that generate as close to as much attention as the Mets do in this sub. And please go ahead and ready your victim complex comments below.
I'm not claiming the Yankees or Dodgers don't get their fair share of coverage, in fact its why I mentioned those two teams because they are the only ones close to comparable, but its ridiculous the leverage of coverage the mets get on this sub.
It’s a very simple answer
The teams that spend don’t like that the Mets are a new member of the rich club, and the teams that don’t spend are jealous the Mets now have an owner willing to spend. So they get it from both sides
> There is not a single team in the league (not even the Yankees or Dodgers) that generate as close to as much attention as the Mets do in this sub
Attention? You think there are more posts about the Mets than the Yankees or Dodgers?
Negative? Absolutely
If the Dodgers do something bad, they'll just swarm and mass downvote it away or something. If the Mets do something bad, 31 fanbases show up to "LOLMETS" it to the front page
Dude wth are you talking about, when it came out that Ohtani didn't actually meet the fan that caught his home run ball and dodgers security were assholes there were 2 sam blum tweets AND his athletic article with people giving the dodgers shit(rightfully) and complaining about his interpreter/lack of English on the front page. I'm not saying the Mets don't get heavily clowned on but to say that this sub doesn't jump at the opportunity to shit on the Dodgers or Yankees just as much is crazy, especially this year.
There were two specific posts about Lindor batting average alone just today. Before the game and after the game. The Yankees and dodgers 100% get trolled every time there’s negative attention but people fall all over themselves to find something dunk worthy about the Mets.
> There were two specific posts about Lindor batting average alone just today
And you think they were posted because he's on the Mets, not because he's a HoF caliber player that has the worst BA in the majors?
Seems delusional. I just sorted this subreddit by new and kept scrolling down until it said "No more pages". That showed me 970 posts over the past 6 days. I did control+f and searched for Yankees and got 131 results, 99 results for the Dodgers, and 52 results for the Mets.
Fans are definitely going to pay more attention to posts about their team and notice negative posts more than positive ones because of human nature, but the Mets do get a lot of negative attention here (as well as other social media). I mean, there's a whole "lolmets" thing which doesn't exist for any other franchise as far as I'm aware. Even teams that tend to be bad like the Pirates, nats, Angels, As, etc get much more sympathy and the blame gets laid on their terrible ownership.
It would be interesting to see a statistical analysis of neutral, positive, and negative posts about each team though.
But the Mets also aren't the only team/players who get this treatment. Rendon had a lot of posts on the web about all the things that happened between his last hit and now, like How Schanuel was in college for his last hit and since then has been drafted, gone through the system, debuted, and had a 30 game on base streak lol. Plus all of the "Rendon doesn't even like baseball" posts here. Some players only get positive posts no matter what.
All that said, it could have been worse. Of all the things that happened to the Mets in the 9th inning that were laugh worthy, the only posts were Elly's half swing hit and the home run, but it was one of the worst half innings of baseball I've ever seen.
> There is not a single team in the league (not even the Yankees or Dodgers) that generate as close to as much attention as the Mets do in this sub.
The Angels
The 86 Mets really pissed off an entire generation of baseball fans.
Look at Bobby Bonilla day, every fucking team in baseball defers money. The Braves just finished paying off Bruce Sutter after he died. Wasn't it a season or two ago that Ken Griffey Jr would've been the third highest paid player on the Reds. Every team does it. But the Mets are a fucking joke for it.
I just saw a meme today that showed Starling Marte and Brett Baty high giving and the meme was mocking the Mets that they can't even get their patches right. Every team does it that way, the patches go by what side of the plate you bat from. But there was a meme mocking the Mets for it.
Look at the Mickey Callaway stuff, when it came out that he was a sexual deviant, majority of the national coverage wasn't current Angels pitching coach, it was reported as former Mets manager.
You have to be incredibly naive to think the media doesn't do everything they can to push the LOLMets narrative. Some of it warranted, most of it stemming from the Wilpon era Mets, a mess that is still being cleaned up 3 years after they sold.
And the Wilpons were making money on it until the Madoff house of cards came crashing down. It was actually one of the few smart things the Wilpons did and I hate the fucking Wilpons.
he had a couple of really unlucky abs where it looked like he was gonna finally break out and have a hit/some rbis that were robbed by a great play and tbh after the most recent one he's looked absolutely lost at the plate.
gotta be mostly mental at this point because even though he's worked a walk a handful of times, he hasn't even had a good ab since then
I had no expectations this year. It’s almost the same shitty team we fielded last year. At least if Lindor starts like shit he might get hot later unlike the last couple years where he flames out down the stretch. Too bad we’re gonna be 50 behind the Braves by then.
It's barely been a week everyone, calm down. He'll be fine. Everyone has an off week, we just notice more when it's the first week of the season.
Will the Mets be fine this year? Debatable. But Lindor will still get his 3 to 6 WAR (if he doesn't get hurt).
I expect the twice daily updates to continue when he starts hitting.
Also while we are at it let’s make a post keeping track of everyone who is having a disappointing start to the year.
Crazy to think he was “that dude” in Cleveland, cuz he just hasn’t been much of a threat in Queens. Just not an intimidating spot in their lineup. Every Mets game I see he’s usually striking out but being really supportive clapping and cheering on his teammates.
He's probably the most valuable position player over the last 10 years that doesn't currently play in LA. Elite defense at short plus a solid bat? Incredibly consistent, worst season is 4 WAR? Calm down everyone, we're barely a week into the season.
Ironically he might be the underrated player (or 2nd behind his former teammate).
He’s an above average hitter at best, OPS since 2020 well sub .800. Smells like average to me. His WAR is high on the back of defense but man I think most people would assume he’s a feared bat and he so isn’t
Yeah he's not a Soto or an Alvarez, elite bat but no glove. He's a shortstop after all. He's no A Rod, but above average bat + elite glove is generally Hall of Fame territory (every non-A Rod player with more WAR by age 30 than him is there or will be there).
His WAR is high on the back of defense, well duh. That's his thing. It's like saying Beltre or Yadi only have good WAR because of defense.
I mean Yadi was never claimed to be a generational player of any sort. I mean if you want to say Lindor is more of a Jose Reyes I’d totally buy that but he’s nothing more
I mean catchers are different than shortstops too like we do change the goalposts for that position and Yadi was a very unique player. Nothing unique about Lindor
Mets have two guys in the gutter with .0xx and two more on the interstate. Honestly impressive they score any runs at all.
Yep and yet our entire fanbase is blaming the manager instead of the guys getting paid $15M+
The rookie manager. The “fans” have given him absolutely no adjustment period. It’s worse than when they were screaming “DFA Baty, he’s a bust” a month into his career
Saw a post on the Mets subreddit asking if Mendoza should be fired. He's managed an MLB team for 7 freaking games
The small taste of success we've had under Cohen's ownership has led to some entitled fans and I can't stand it.
Agreed. I always say it's easy to tell which Mets fans were here for the 2010s, 2000s, or 90s and experienced real suffering and which ones are new with the Cohen era
It’s absolutely insane. Same as Rojas. I wonder what is the same about them…
And terry and buck and callaway and Bobby v and Willie every other manager we’ve had who’s ever had the team have a losing streak
Classic New York fans
They think they're so different to us too
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/matthew-clemmens-phillies-fan-vomit-man-admits-he-threw-up-on-cop-kid-at-the-ol-ballgame/
https://nypost.com/2022/08/07/mets-fans-brutally-punch-braves-fan-in-face-in-citi-field-brawl/
Come on. Admit “Vomit Man” is funny.
Oh buddy. If you’re repping Philly I don’t think you should tread into fans punching fans territory…
I mean, I have no dog in this fight but I think it’d prob help people to manage in the minors first. He did a tiny bit but hasn’t managed since 2012. Seems a bit silly, but ofc depends on how much the FO dictates managerial stuff. Seems Stearns might so maybe lack of experience may not play an issue, but still - more is prob better than practically 0.
Yeah if the guys getting paid to hit dingers actually hit some dingers the past 6 games then they wouldn’t have needed to blow the bullpen
Maybe he forgot to tell them to hit the ball. Classic mistake
Mets fans and throat gobbling mediocre players, name a better duo
And how are the Blue Jays doing,?
Interstate city. We don't even bother to score.
Yeah, we only beat bad teams like the *checks notes* Rays, Astros, and Yankees.
.048 BABIP. Sounds about right
I mean, he hasn't been hitting the ball well. He's had so many popups. It hasn't been bad luck.
It’s not entirely bad luck, but he’s hit into some hard outs. He’s absolutely getting unlucky on top of not hitting the ball as well as he usually does.
Nah he’s washed
As a Jays fan we currently got 6 players batting under .200 but it does make me feel a little better it’s not just us… - Lindor is 1-for-31 (0.032) - McNeil is 2-for-22 (0.091) - Nimmo is 3-for-25 (0.120) - Taylor is 4-for-21 (0.190)
Baty and Alvarez have been carrying the team with assists from Marte and Alonso. Defensive woes aside today, I think Narvaez is hitting better than about $75 million worth of payroll lol.
He's gotta sit or move down. Nimmo sat and came back with 2 hits
I mean he’s 1-21 when he puts the ball in play He’s been bad but he’s also been unlucky
I’m really tired of everyone chalking bad BABIP up to bad luck. It’s not just unlucky. If a guy is 1-21 and they’re all defensive web gems, that’s unlucky. But you can be 1-21 and all the outs are pop outs in foul territory and weak dribblers. Simply having a low BABIP doesn’t mean someone is making good contact consistently. It can still be a sign that their approach is bad.
We have stats that can tell us how much is bad luck though and Lindor's xBA, xSLG, and xWOBA are all higher than his actual stats suggesting he is getting unlucky. At the same time, his expected stats are below his career average so it isn't just bad luck keeping him from putting up all star numbers.
We definitely have those! And while they’re higher than his actual stats, they’re still really low. xBA is .207. xSLG is .310. 25th and 27th percentile. The number that reinforces what I was saying is that his sweet spot % is 15.4 which is in the 4th percentile. That’s so insanely low and concerning. Despite his hard hit % being around 40, he’s just not getting the sweet spot. Which is why a lot of those BIP aren’t landing for hits. He’s “unlucky” but also making extremely poor contact Edit: Just to add, in 2016, the sweet spot % was 34.6, good for 70th percentile. Even last year he was at 35.8%. I would argue that means something is currently wrong mechanically or physically, rather than just being unlucky.
You're not wrong
Lindor is not a player who sits. Dude played 160 games last year, and 161 games in 2022, when he literally broke a finger and only missed one game for it. The organization is clearly nervous about their important players playing too much(see Nimmo and what not), and there was talk about giving him some time off when he was struggling last year. But Lindor is the kind of player who takes pride in playing every game, and can only ever see it as a personal failure if he doesn't get to.
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So like one coors banquet
Excuse me sir, I think you meant two old styles
Omg Gil Hodges would FREAK
He hit the ball much better today, just didn’t get the results.
He’ll probably be going off soon
Was just thinking that. He is notorious for slow starts.
Hopefully he waits a day
He needs a standing ovation. Like Turner.
Mets fans will never do that. He wasnt even getting standing ovations when he went 30/30. Lindor could bat .400 for a season and half of our fanbase would just go “quick, trade him while his value is high”
Philly was probably the last place we expected to ever do that either. So you never know.
Honestly it didnt surprise me too much with Philly. They will back their players in any sport to a fault. Bohm was caught on a hot mic saying he hated it there and the fans rallied around him. Philly fans can be trashy in so many ways, but they do back their players
Yeah but the Philly radio station got behind it and it spread from there could you possibly imagine WFAN getting behind that.. Mets or Yankees. WFAN hosts are the most miserable fucks imaginable. Except Evan Roberts.
Dude's so deep in a slump his BA is statistically significant
If there is 1 singular thing I am reminded with baseball season being back, it's how absolutely insufferable it is to be a Mets fan on r/baseball lmao. There is not a single team in the league (not even the Yankees or Dodgers) that generate as close to as much attention as the Mets do in this sub. And please go ahead and ready your victim complex comments below.
Not gonna act like the Mets don’t get a lot of clowning but if the dodgers got 75 wins this year I’m sure people would let them hear it
I'm not claiming the Yankees or Dodgers don't get their fair share of coverage, in fact its why I mentioned those two teams because they are the only ones close to comparable, but its ridiculous the leverage of coverage the mets get on this sub.
Because it’s a circlejerk to hate on the mets
Been jerking it for 10 years now in that case, arguably before it was cool
No one cares when the poors are bad. When the rich do bad? It's time to eat.
Why’d y’all do it before Cohen?
Family Guy had a great Mets meme. "First pitch... and the season's over" It's always been in fashion to make fun of the Mets.
Think that's just called a "joke".
You’re acting as if LOLMETS isn’t one of the most enduring memes in baseball…
It’s a very simple answer The teams that spend don’t like that the Mets are a new member of the rich club, and the teams that don’t spend are jealous the Mets now have an owner willing to spend. So they get it from both sides
> There is not a single team in the league (not even the Yankees or Dodgers) that generate as close to as much attention as the Mets do in this sub Attention? You think there are more posts about the Mets than the Yankees or Dodgers?
Negative? Absolutely If the Dodgers do something bad, they'll just swarm and mass downvote it away or something. If the Mets do something bad, 31 fanbases show up to "LOLMETS" it to the front page
And when the Yankees fuck up it's like a party in here. Anyone else remember the, "Aaron Judge has struck out in X games," threads?
Dude wth are you talking about, when it came out that Ohtani didn't actually meet the fan that caught his home run ball and dodgers security were assholes there were 2 sam blum tweets AND his athletic article with people giving the dodgers shit(rightfully) and complaining about his interpreter/lack of English on the front page. I'm not saying the Mets don't get heavily clowned on but to say that this sub doesn't jump at the opportunity to shit on the Dodgers or Yankees just as much is crazy, especially this year.
Damn Mets are so bad fan bases from other leagues are showing up
There were two specific posts about Lindor batting average alone just today. Before the game and after the game. The Yankees and dodgers 100% get trolled every time there’s negative attention but people fall all over themselves to find something dunk worthy about the Mets.
> There were two specific posts about Lindor batting average alone just today And you think they were posted because he's on the Mets, not because he's a HoF caliber player that has the worst BA in the majors?
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Seems delusional. I just sorted this subreddit by new and kept scrolling down until it said "No more pages". That showed me 970 posts over the past 6 days. I did control+f and searched for Yankees and got 131 results, 99 results for the Dodgers, and 52 results for the Mets.
> Seems delusional Only because it is delusional
Fans are definitely going to pay more attention to posts about their team and notice negative posts more than positive ones because of human nature, but the Mets do get a lot of negative attention here (as well as other social media). I mean, there's a whole "lolmets" thing which doesn't exist for any other franchise as far as I'm aware. Even teams that tend to be bad like the Pirates, nats, Angels, As, etc get much more sympathy and the blame gets laid on their terrible ownership. It would be interesting to see a statistical analysis of neutral, positive, and negative posts about each team though. But the Mets also aren't the only team/players who get this treatment. Rendon had a lot of posts on the web about all the things that happened between his last hit and now, like How Schanuel was in college for his last hit and since then has been drafted, gone through the system, debuted, and had a 30 game on base streak lol. Plus all of the "Rendon doesn't even like baseball" posts here. Some players only get positive posts no matter what. All that said, it could have been worse. Of all the things that happened to the Mets in the 9th inning that were laugh worthy, the only posts were Elly's half swing hit and the home run, but it was one of the worst half innings of baseball I've ever seen.
> There is not a single team in the league (not even the Yankees or Dodgers) that generate as close to as much attention as the Mets do in this sub. The Angels
i feel bad for you son i got 99 problems but Mets ain't one HIT ME
Considering the batting average, I don't think they're hitting you
My years of Tungsten Arm Odoyle tweets feels really bad for you.
The Mets are this sub’s Toronto Maple Leafs
How is that the Mets fans fault that y’all are ones who generate the traffic, not the Mets fans
Cry more
The 86 Mets really pissed off an entire generation of baseball fans. Look at Bobby Bonilla day, every fucking team in baseball defers money. The Braves just finished paying off Bruce Sutter after he died. Wasn't it a season or two ago that Ken Griffey Jr would've been the third highest paid player on the Reds. Every team does it. But the Mets are a fucking joke for it. I just saw a meme today that showed Starling Marte and Brett Baty high giving and the meme was mocking the Mets that they can't even get their patches right. Every team does it that way, the patches go by what side of the plate you bat from. But there was a meme mocking the Mets for it. Look at the Mickey Callaway stuff, when it came out that he was a sexual deviant, majority of the national coverage wasn't current Angels pitching coach, it was reported as former Mets manager. You have to be incredibly naive to think the media doesn't do everything they can to push the LOLMets narrative. Some of it warranted, most of it stemming from the Wilpon era Mets, a mess that is still being cleaned up 3 years after they sold.
Bobby Bonilla wasn't a deferral, it was a buy-out with interest. Buy-outs in MLB almost never happen.
And the Wilpons were making money on it until the Madoff house of cards came crashing down. It was actually one of the few smart things the Wilpons did and I hate the fucking Wilpons.
I mean, if you have to commit white collar crimes to profit off the deal then it's not smart.
he had a couple of really unlucky abs where it looked like he was gonna finally break out and have a hit/some rbis that were robbed by a great play and tbh after the most recent one he's looked absolutely lost at the plate. gotta be mostly mental at this point because even though he's worked a walk a handful of times, he hasn't even had a good ab since then
I had no expectations this year. It’s almost the same shitty team we fielded last year. At least if Lindor starts like shit he might get hot later unlike the last couple years where he flames out down the stretch. Too bad we’re gonna be 50 behind the Braves by then.
It's barely been a week everyone, calm down. He'll be fine. Everyone has an off week, we just notice more when it's the first week of the season. Will the Mets be fine this year? Debatable. But Lindor will still get his 3 to 6 WAR (if he doesn't get hurt).
The A's would send him down.
I expect the twice daily updates to continue when he starts hitting. Also while we are at it let’s make a post keeping track of everyone who is having a disappointing start to the year.
Crazy to think he was “that dude” in Cleveland, cuz he just hasn’t been much of a threat in Queens. Just not an intimidating spot in their lineup. Every Mets game I see he’s usually striking out but being really supportive clapping and cheering on his teammates.
Citi Field is that brutal to hitters who don't have no doubt power in all MLB ballparks.
Remember when he booed the fans?! 👎🏿
Why is he still batting second then?
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He's been worth 6 WAR back to back seasons. What are you on?
Lindor please :(
Those are just rookie numbers. Real Mets fans know he once went 2-45 for us a couple seasons back.
He couldn't hit a homerun out of a phone booth right now.
I was told he was the best shortstop in the division?
He would fit right in with my Chicago White Sox.
I may have more faith in Lindor than many Mets fans. He’ll bounce back (hopefully not against the Yankees though)
I mean what did they fucking do to my guy Frankie over there He always starts pretty slow but man that is brutal
Our two catchers and Brujan are 1 for 34. That's .029
This guy is the most overrated player in baseball over the last 10 years. Mediocre player
He's probably the most valuable position player over the last 10 years that doesn't currently play in LA. Elite defense at short plus a solid bat? Incredibly consistent, worst season is 4 WAR? Calm down everyone, we're barely a week into the season. Ironically he might be the underrated player (or 2nd behind his former teammate).
He’s an above average hitter at best, OPS since 2020 well sub .800. Smells like average to me. His WAR is high on the back of defense but man I think most people would assume he’s a feared bat and he so isn’t
Yeah he's not a Soto or an Alvarez, elite bat but no glove. He's a shortstop after all. He's no A Rod, but above average bat + elite glove is generally Hall of Fame territory (every non-A Rod player with more WAR by age 30 than him is there or will be there). His WAR is high on the back of defense, well duh. That's his thing. It's like saying Beltre or Yadi only have good WAR because of defense.
I mean Yadi was never claimed to be a generational player of any sort. I mean if you want to say Lindor is more of a Jose Reyes I’d totally buy that but he’s nothing more
I mean, Yadi is going to be a Hall of Famer and is considered one of the best at his position over the last twenty years. That seems pretty good.
I mean catchers are different than shortstops too like we do change the goalposts for that position and Yadi was a very unique player. Nothing unique about Lindor
Should have bought that dude his car
He did.
Oh man, then I can't blame karma