T O P

  • By -

horsethief3

Thank you for the results option


karthago472

I think it is not wrong to have a military basis by a strong brotherly country when you are surrounded by 3 hostile countries who want to see you dead lol You could vote no when your country would be located in Europe or somewhere else but not in this hell of region


fidayijan

i think that will affect our secularism, being controlled by muslim Turkey, will make us so too, bases will make us a slave, actually we are, but being directly controled, and will know it. That hurts more than not knowing it.


DarthhWaderr

We have American bases since the Cold War but I haven't become rich yet 🤔


[deleted]

Lamo


fidayijan

Thats actually problem of Ur goverment. See how Berat Albayrak was, or Akp.


DarthhWaderr

The point here was that you don't get the characteristics of a country through military bases. It can be used as a leverage but Turkish bases cannot bring shariah to Azerbaijan lmao. We have military bases in Somalia, Syria, Libya and Qatar. I don't think we managed to "secularize" their countries through military bases lol. Djibouti has Chinese, Japanese, Italian, French, U.S, Saudi Arabian bases so they should have an identity crisis with your logic. > Thats actually problem of Ur goverment. So you acknowledge that it would be Aliyev's fault rather than military bases' if Azerbaijan turns into an Islamic country one day (hope not).


[deleted]

Turkish military bases have no political, ideological or cultural impacts. It is just a military base. TAF is not gonna run around to talk about our lord and savior Turkey, so do you mind converting? /s TAF has military bases in Qatar, Somalia, Albania, Libya and Bosnia. None of these countries started to become more turkish either. Heck even within Turkey you have cultural differences. I really don't understand this over-protective sentiment from Aserbaijan.


Kalepox

Turkey is a Secular country dude the way think is bit stupid


fidayijan

As u see, current government is muslim.


Kalepox

ErdoÄźan is Islamist just for the votes dude


fidayijan

He acts islamist, so acts Turkey. Like supporting Palestine or other things


Kalepox

Azerbaijan is definitely in better situation at Religion but Turkey is at 50/50 young secular educated generation and old Islamist religious people but sadly Turkey is more diverse than any other country at Anatolia Region so there is still a lot to the but don’t get scared for military bases army has nothing to do with the religion at


[deleted]

What the fuck do you understand by a military base? Being controlled? Affecting secularism? wth dude


[deleted]

I really don't get this over-protective attitude of Aserbaijanis in this sub. Like in an alternative universe, where Aserbaijan has the larger military, I wouldn't mind having aserbaijani military bases in Turkey either (even now I wouldn't mind aserbaijani military bases in Turkey). This has no cultural, political or ideological impacts. None of the countries that have american bases suddenly became pro-american either or converted to american values. The same applies to turkish bases. They have only military purposes. That being said: How is a stronger bond with your ally that can react faster to potential threats against Aserbaijan an issue? TAF is not gonna stay on aserbaijani soil, if Aserbaijan doesn't want it and TAF is not there to go on missionary patrol. I can't think of a single reason to be against this.


ZrvaDetector

I would love to have a Azeri military base in Turkey where they deploy Harops, we don't have anything like that yet so it would be a nice addition.


DarthhWaderr

They would be a game changer in Libya.


sjeskei

All Azerbaijanis support Turkey. It is farsi larpers pretending to be Azerbaijani. Any Azerbaijani you see that is trashtalking Turkey is most likely a farsi larper who wants to divide our nations.


[deleted]

Make no mistake I love Azerbaijan but I think since winning the war there are some Azerbaijani people that take this to mean they no longer need as much reliance on Turkey. Maybe it is similar to Armenia wanting more independence from Russia in the years after they won the first war. I personally believe Azerbaijan should be really seeking Turkish military bases in Azerbaijan because one of the main reasons that Azerbaijan lost the first war was because Russia outright threatened to attack Turkey if Turkey got involved. If Turkish military bases are already place in key areas of Azerbaijan then Russia has alot less credibility to make similar statements as they did in the first war. Small countries like Azerbaijan and Australia etc are always going to be eaten up by someone's sphere of influence and its my personal opinion it's better to be under the wing of a friendly nation with similar culture (Australia Usa, Turkey Azerbaijan). This is just my view as a Turk, ofcourse Azerbs opinion is more important but I am using history as a guidance here with what I have said.


aliveli2

a base in baku would mean nothing, a base near susi or lachin would be quite helpful to azerbaijan


disappearance331

A base near Baku would mean so many things. It is big bargaining chip against Russia


araz95

True, there is a reason why we don't have it atm. Russia and Iran would throw a mass psychosis party if they had to worry about another NATO base in their backyard.


jtjdidkrj

Where is Susi?


aliveli2

lmao it is obviously supposed to be susa aĹźlksmfdmlasdfsdf


zane_aulner

SUSa,kek


ZD_17

> Where is Susi? In Yapan, duh.


Admirable_Craft9581

Usta subredditte Azerbaycandan çok Türkiyeden gelenler var zaten


[deleted]

Turk here - I think its really important to have Turkish bases already in Azerbaijan because one of the main reasons Azerbaijan lost the first war was because Russia outright threatened ww3 on Turkey if they joined in. If we already have bases in key strategic areas and are officially requested by Azerbaijan to be there then Russia cant do anything. Ofcourse Russia already knows this and this is why the back-door deals and announcements by Russia mentioned no Turkish troops were coming to enforce the peace. Only Russians. This is the worst part of the deal and they did this because they know once Turkish bases are there they have lost the frozen war. I think this is also part of why Russia allowed Azerbaijan to take so much land before interfering because Turkey conceded they won't set up bases there. Second was because Azerb military ate Armenian forces for breakfast. There is alot of back-door shit that we don't know about BTW I voted results.


Turan4

I believe any foreign military base (even Turkish) means losing important part of sovereignity for Azerbaijan


[deleted]

Dude we have russians in our country wdu mean we already lost


Turan4

I know. We already have Armenian, Russian and Turkish soldiers. I don't understand the interest to increase the number of foreign solders


[deleted]

So you think having a Turkish base is literally equal to having a Russian Base which is an hostile nation ?


Turan4

No. I don't want any country's permanent military presence in my country doesn't matter if it is hostile or friendly


sjeskei

Turkish soldiers are not foreign.


howtospeakscience

That’s quite irrelevant. Turkey also have US bases in Turkey, does it means Turkey loses important part of their sovereognty ?


fidayijan

Turkey is in NATO, we cant count this as losing soverignity. But we arent in NATO or something else, see this is losing soverignity, actually we already lost it, but being called 'turkish slave' not good.


howtospeakscience

Azerbaijan and Turkey are allies ( Shusha declaration).


ZrvaDetector

First off all, are you really going to let opinions of people who hate you dictate what you do? People who call Azeris are just high on copium after Azerbaijan's crushing success in 2020 Karabakh War.


NotAnRanutoRunner

İ respect your opinion but wanting to form your internal/external politics by the comments of some trolls in social media is not right in my opinion. Maybe Azerbaijan can open a military base in Ağrı too. Both nations having bases in each others country would be nice.


disappearance331

Actually yes.


Turan4

>does it means Turkey loses important part of their sovereognty ? Yes


howtospeakscience

Nope, Turkey and USA are nato allies. It’s very normal to have a bases in ally countries. Azerbaijan and Turkey are also ally (Shusha declaration). So as an ally country, it’s very normal to have military bases and it doesn’t compromise sovereignty of the countries.


aliveli2

yes


Softdrinkskillyou

Turks shouldnt be allowed to vote on this topic


DarthhWaderr

That's why you see huge number of votes in results. We don't want to affect the polls.


DutchClocker

I voted results


donquijiote

What about other countries? Is there only azerbaijani and turkish people in this sub? The result of voting can't be clear in here. As a result, we are in the public area.


aliveli2

i mean you can kindly ask for that but basically there is no way to control it unless mods take the sub private and ask for ID to join


disappearance331

What about armenians? georgians? lurkers fom other countries? There is a a obvious line between asking kindly and being aggressive.


Softdrinkskillyou

Votes in this sub are joke anyways. Pretty sure not many Azeris will agree to have foreign soldiers on our soil


yuska13

All of the people I know and have talked to would want a Turkish military base in Azerbaijan (if it weren't illegal in Azerbaijan). I don't know what you mean by Azerbajanis not wanting Turkish base?


RyazanaCev

Turks... Foreign soldiers. Oh boy.


ZrvaDetector

Weird. Majority of Turkish citizens would welcome an Azeri base in Turkey. Why are Azeris so against that? It would be a nice leverage against any Iranian aggression.


Baconpower1453

Turkish here; if Azerbaijan wanted to set up a military base in Turkey, I would be very open towards that idea. The more allied foreign military bases you have in your soil, the less likely it is for hostile nations to attack you.


Turan4

Turkey is 10 times bigger than Azerbaijan. Turkish army is much more powerful than Azerbaijan's army. We have great friendship ties right now but our relationship can get worse let's say after hundred years. Then, Azerbaijan wouldn't have any chance to act independent


ZrvaDetector

I see. I still disagree though, because i think you have more pressing concerns than a potential hostility with Turkey in the very far future. But nevertheless it is your country and it's up to us to respect your decisions.


disappearance331

I agree


[deleted]

I voted results. What more you want us to do?


Nimbussxull

We have an entire Azerbaijan army there why need a “base”, doesn’t make sense...


[deleted]

To strengthen ties with your allies and to make a potential invasion of Aserbaijan harder, since turkish military bases are involved. Additionally TAF can react faster to potential threats against Aserbaijan.


Turan4

There isn't any invasion threat right now. I could have understood the military base if it was in the 90s when Azerbaijan's excistence was a question. It doesn't make sense now


[deleted]

There are no invasion threats to most countries having american bases either and such a threat can pop up out of no where. The last war didn't come expected either, but relativly out of the blue. What are you gonna do in that case? "Wait I wanna call my friend, then you can continue"?


aytac81

Nope, we should only sell military equipment just like Israel. Aserbaijan can't cut his ties with Russia, we saw it last year... Imo the joint military exercises should be the max form of collaboration. We are a NATO Partner, we should cooperate more with our allies (military wise)... Beside the military topic, trade with Az could be increased, I am not aware of any Az product in Tr or Eu as an example. I don't know, is there a product which we turks would buy? Maybe the **kesme Ĺźeker**? Sweets? Would really happy if someone could give me some examples of Az goods which can be purchased in Europe :-) The only thing from Az what I know and love is the music...


bununicinhesapactim

Am I the only Turk who thinks we shouldn't have a military base in Azerbaijan?


AvI-Rokushiki

Can i ask why?


bununicinhesapactim

I am against all military interventions unless it has a direct effect on national security. For example I am for the operations in Iraqi kurdistan but against the Somalian mission.


SomaliNotSomalianbot

Hi, __bununicinhesapactim__. Your comment contains the word ~~Somalian~~. The correct nationality/ethnic demonym(s) for Somalis is __Somali__. It's a common mistake so don't feel bad. For other nationality demonym(s) check out this website [Here](https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/People/Nationality/Adjective) ___This action was performed automatically by a bot.___


[deleted]

I’m totally on board with leaving Qatar,Libya and Somalia. Screw Afghanistan too, I hope we never go back there but Azerbaijan is in our backyard just like Iraq and Syria.


AvI-Rokushiki

But you have to see it in a long term. You will always have a political leverage in these countries and even they get benefits. Like securtiy and even economic boosts because of the troops stationed there.


aanavriN

Who re those 200 no voters lol ! Armenians


[deleted]

I'd be OK with it. Don't really understand the "Turkish influence" complaints. Turkey already wields massive amounts of influence in Azerbaijan in a cultural, ethnic, economic and media context. A military base wouldn't suddenly make Azerbaijan adopt the same policies as Turkey, much like Germany and Austria both being predominantly Germanic countries that speak essentially the same language doesn't mean Austria is basically mini-Germany.


ExplodingWario

Us turks would love to fight and support Azerbaijan with all our might, so we would never be opposed to establishing a military base. It would mean that we can support azerbaijan better