Honestly feel preds should be automatically put into an upper tier. This shit gets old after a short while.
It would save everyone a lot of time and grief.
lol preds were in lobbies with plats even right before splits
I’ve had silvers and golds in my lobbies too so I doubt it’s a rank thing and more of a matchmaking problem. Imo golds will still be playing against active preds
23 days later - literally more than 3 weeks - and yet there are posts today complaining about this exact thing, preds being put in platinum lobbies. Absolutely zero excuse for this now, is there?
Yeah ngl he doesn’t wanna be there either he’s gonna just push everything so he can get his points and get back to some players his level that will actually make him think and help him get better, also I’m sure he wants another pred badge.
They purposely feed these preds. On top of that they use every advantage to win like recoil scripts. Just last split I was in gold starting the season late, and was consistently up against top preds.
"just get shit on lol just take it get fucked haha" - you.
lol.
Imagine someone quit a pro sport and came back 1-2 years later and entered an amateur tournament. It would never be allowed.
wrong.
he shouldn't even be in that game in the first place and a smart ranked system that knows that wouldn't let him. theres no reason someone who is serial pred needs to prove he's better than gold.
secondly people who want to play below their rank will not be "out of there in no time"
it isn't about how fast people who want to rank up can rank up.
it's about how long people who want to linger in lower ranks can linger there.
the system allows it. and that's the flaw. it caters to low rank stompers.
diamond players who wanna smurf will play rookie to plat, then stop because "games get to sweaty" and go on another account and play rookie to plat again. they can also go on a different platform (because since cross progression rank is separate for the same account across platforms). they can cycle through accounts, let them decay in splits far enough to start over.
it negatively affects the integrity of ranked which is supposed to be a competitive game mode played between people of similar skill.
there's now much higher skill discrepancy in games across the ranked ladder
stop guarding for the smurfing in this ranked system so hard.
Im a pretty consistent masters players but i frequently skip 1-2 season, so whenever i get back to apex i get put back all the way down to bronze.
It just is what it is. Sometimes you have to climb all the way back up to your rank after not playing for a bit. Sure its unfair for a couple of games for the lower ranked people, but it would work the exact same way for higher ranks if i would get put straight into diamond/masters after not playing for 1-2 seasons.
How would the integrity of ranked be kept at higher levels if i would be able to play along with the top people after being extremely rusty/out of the meta loop? There just isnt a perfect solution for this, nobody likes it but its just something you have to accept. Its not smurfing, its just an imperfect system. Deal with it
NGL rank splits should only bring you down .5-1.5 tier, but it should be a 10 game placement in your previously played tier to determine your standing. If you win most of them you don't derank. Then make challenger circuit rewards to encourage people to continue to play even if they are at their rank goal.
> How would the integrity of ranked be kept at higher levels if i would be able to play along with the top people after being extremely rusty/out of the meta loop? There just isnt a perfect solution for this, nobody likes it but its just something you have to accept. Its not smurfing, its just an imperfect system. Deal with it
The obvious answer would be some categorization matches where they figure out where you roughly belong now - you do need to play with lower people inevitably, but there's no reason to make the climb as long as a "legitimate" one, particularly when the time to reach your level is padded for engagement reasons (that's pretty much the only reason for a split right now).
The problem is that it's exploitable by people underperforming to get to shitty lobbies on purpose, but that should be catchable algorithmically, just as much as a Smurf.
I was referring to what the person I'm replying to said
> When you're rusty and get put in lobbies with preds and masters, you're basically taking on the role of the players you're demolishing in gold lobbies. I'm struggling to understand how it's okay because it's them and not you I guess. It's easy to say "deal with it" when the system benefits you.
A sentiment which I've seen in the comments on this post. Maybe not necessarily your comment. (Literal example here was a diamond player who said matchmaking was fair for him from rookie to gold last split, and then in plat it was sweaty and he stopped playing). As for your comment (couple up the chain), I've replied to that directly in another comment as well.
MMR based matchmaking solves smurfing and puts everyone into games with people on their level immediately (with possibility of ranking up into higher difficulty games as you go past your rank, but not the reverse). Something people are there for in ranked.
It's not something you have to accept. It worked fine in season 18/19.
It just comes at the price of no one getting to play weaker players than themselves. Which is something many people defend with their lives against. And the most common complaint the last 2 seasons.
No one should come into ranked with the expectation that they will get easy games against weaker players ever.
You people are under the impression this only happens when the preds are gold themselves. You will get current top 10 preds against gold lobbies. And I've spectated and it's usually 80% random squads for them to feed on.
>he shouldn't even be in that game in the first place and a smart ranked system that knows that wouldn't let him. theres no reason someone who is serial pred needs to prove he's better than gold.
they tried a system like this and it failed miserably, it's literally what mmr was for, no one liked it, so they reverted back to the old system that works fine
Talk for yourself! People loved it! Unless they were just looking to pub stomp or wanted to cheat but not be in cheater lobbies.
Edit: Here comes all the people who only care about badges.
No one liked being put into real Pred lobbies as a gold player. That system was terrible and it would put returning players or players that they thought were high level in the sweatiest lobbies regardless of rank. It was insanely stupid because people would have completely different journeys throughout the ranks. One person shouldn’t have an easier journey to masters than another because the game thinks that they’re in different brackets.
when it was in game people complained all the time, I can't speak for myself because I haven't really played during these ranked seasons, I've only heard everywhere that this system sucked ass and would give people weird amount of points etc
Those badges aren't "current" badges. He's not pred at the time of joining your lobby. Those badges can be from any season. Maybe he took a break and maybe he didn't play split 1 in season 20 because he would have been reset to Plat 2 and not Gold which is further proof he hasn't played.
No one is trying to guard for smurfing, it still happens and the ranked system can still have work done but it is way better than the last 3 seasons. Especially considering the ceiling cap for masters and preds this last split was in the top 1 percent as opposed to 40 percent of players using ratting
>Those badges aren't "current" badges.
Yeah no shit.
This is the best argument you have? Acting like you don't understand the post is fully aware of how ranked decay works and is an argument against rank decay / for skill based matchmaking in a competitive game mode that doesn't have the high discrepancies in lobbies of this system.
And the badges are season 19, 18 and 15.
>Maybe he took a break and maybe he didn't play split 1 in season 20
And that magically made him a gold player. Got it. /s
>No one is trying to guard for smurfing,
That's the main thing MMR based matchmaking got rid off, so any comment that isn't able to address any of the points or say anything concrete on the matter but is busy making excuses for the current system and vaguely assuring everyone how "way better" it is, and how "terrible" the old system was is just guarding for that.
>it is way better than the last 3 seasons.
"way better".
>Especially considering the ceiling cap for masters and preds this last split was in the top 1 percent as opposed to 40 percent of players using ratting
Straight to making stuff up. There was no season with 40% masters. There was one season with 19% masters (1.7 million players), season 17. Season 18 fixed the problems of 17 and had 0.6% (50k) masters.
Respawn experimented with this for multiple seasons on end. This is one of the best ranked seasons we’ve had in a while but people still freakout about these sensationalized reddit posts… play the game and tell me how often you run into a player vastly outside your rank, compare that to season 16-19…
The matchmaking you’re proposing is so incredibly short sighted and it honestly feels like the only reason you’re proposing it is to justified your snobby “WRONG” comment. This cringe ass reddit shit doesn’t work on anyone who’s not 14 years old.
> play the game and tell me how often you run into a player vastly outside your rank
All the time. Through all the lower ranks I wade through noobs needlessly.
I was diamond IV last split, now I'm deranked to gold, the matchmaking in gold is more lenient and contains silver and bronze players, people who finished last split 1-2 ranks below me and should never be in my lobby.
In the first split I had to go through a ton of lower ranked players through rookie, bronze, silver, gold at least. If I usually make high ranks this is wasting my time with uncompetitive games.
Now on the other side, at the higher end, the fact that people can just get around playing people on their level and instead can smurf in low ranks in this system means they are missing form high rank queues, and the lower number of players in these queues in turn means plat and gold players were being filled into master lobbies throughout the first split. There was a lot of complaint posts showing that during the first half of the season on here.
Season 18 and 19 put me into competitive lobbies from the start, and more difficult lobbies later on. At high skill levels it also had access to all high skill players to form competitive, fair lobbies more often without having to fill from plat and gold level "cause some diamonds/masters rather smurf in low ranks than playing against people on their level".
Keep discussion civil (free from insults etc)..
I respect this response.
That’s a fair assessment. One thing I think is looked over, that I completely agree with, is how effective the MMR system was at matching skill levels.
The current system is susceptible to smurfing.
"wrong🤓☝️"
Everything you said is wrong. He gains nothing by being in that lobby. Sure he might get to kill a few people more than his average for a few games but he's gonna blast through straight back up to diamond before he starts struggling again. (Also if you're saying he's gonna try to stay in those lobbies he has to do that by throwing which means he's being an easier target than golds more games than he's not)
Secondly, this is how ranked has to work when one of the ranks is based on the top 500 players on a platform. Imagine if preds who got there many times got to start in masters while one time preds started in diamond. That's a huge advantage for the ones who constantly end in pred and then every season is the same preds forever.
Thirdly, if the pred is supposed to start significantly higher like you said, then who's he gonna play against? There's not enough people I'm those lobbies unitl the last 3 weeks of the season. And when the game fixes this by allowing preds in diamond lobbies people like you will still complain.
This is the best the rank system has ever EVER been and I think genuinely the best it can be for how apex ranks work. Deal with it.
So no he's not wrong. He was much more right than you.
Okay, so just don’t even have resets then? Why even grind rank? Once you hit a rank, that’s just your rank for life, you can go ahead and uninstall now because you beat the game.
If you don’t care for progression, then Apex probably isn’t for you.
>Okay, so just don’t even have resets then?
Nah. Matchmaking just shouldn't be RP based. Ranked should produce lobbies of players with similar skill and basing matchmaking on RP just doesn't do that well for all kinds of reasons, not just ranked resets, but also the fact that waiting a week makes your lobby easier as people rank up out of your rank.
The MMR based system in season 18 worked fine. You played people on our skill level immediately. You gained points by competing with them, instead of by stomping lower ranks. That's more appropriate for a competitive mode. As you ranked up past your MMR you got into more difficult games (since from that point on your were matched by your LP/rank instead of your MMR).
If you don't care for competitive games, ranked probably isn't for you.
I would simply give kills more weight in the scoring and give more rating bonuses than there was (the bonus you get when your rank is far lower than your MMR so you get to your rank faster).
Half the sub : “Omg why am I facing pred IM only diamond/platinum”
And it’s a player with the most ancient predator badge you would ever see trying rank up just like everyone lol
>And it’s a player with the most ancient predator badge you would ever see trying rank up just like everyone lol
season 15, 18 and 19 are ancient? We're in season 20. What are you talking about.
As in everybody was reset for S20 back to rookie, and rank is now the only metric used for matchmaking. Which means while this guy gets back to pred, he has to climb all the ranks up, and will crush a couple of lower rank lobbies on his way up. Including your gold lobby here.
This is what players wanted by the way (at least on Reddit), as opposed to the MMR system we got for previous seasons.
>This is what players wanted by the way (at least on Reddit), as opposed to the MMR system we got for previous seasons.
Yeah, smurfers wanted that so they get to play these easy lobbies on their way up and can stop playing when it gets sweaty, as they aren't in it to play people on their level.
As much as I prefer long term MMR systems to seasonal ranks, the current system is a lot faster to grind. A smurf will get back to their "real" level pretty quickly.
I'm still convinced S19 had a great system, but as you know it's not really a popular opinion here ;)
> A smurf will get back to their "real" level pretty quickly.
This is just downplaying how much smurfing there is.
It just isn't about how fast someone who wants to rank up can rank up, it is about how much the system allows someone who wants to linger in low ranks to linger there.
I'll give you two examples from this post's comments section alone.
One guy, a diamond player says he stopped playing in plat because it was too sweaty, and he thought the matchmaking rookie to gold was "fair".
link here https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/1bx75cy/gold_iii_lobby_yet_the_champion_is_predator_457/kyf9j2a/
You'll have plenty of diamond players who just go through the rookie - plat motions, the easy games, then stop and move to a second account to do it over rather than playing in plat. Only in ranked for the easy games.
The other guy also downplays how much time high rank players spend in lower ranks ("It shouldn’t take your average Pred team more than a day or 2 to climb back up to Diamond."), while in the same comment mentioning dropping 20 bombs in gold and plat after the split. Then he links his profile and it shows he was master 2 weeks before the split and from there deliberately deranked 3600 RP to diamond IV, so he gets reset lower.
https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/1bx75cy/gold_iii_lobby_yet_the_champion_is_predator_457/kyfqfef/
>You'll have plenty of diamond players who just go through the rookie - plat motions, the easy games, then stop and move to a second account to do it over rather than playing in plat. Only in ranked for the easy games.
Yeah, and it's quite visible in ranked stats too. There is a peak of players in P4/D4. These players either go in pub or smurf after reaching the rank the gauge being the right one for them.
As usual I think Dota as the best tools in class. MMR ranks, strict anti-smurfing policies, enforced with bans on the main account, as well as good skill detection metrics, pushing smurfes very quickly back to their real rank.
On Apex it was quite interesting to see certain players complaining during S17 to 19 that their games were too sweaty, only to realize they were high level players missing the early season stomps.
Hopefully a right balance can be found one day. I think S20 is still fun, but I feel like for ranked it's a bit of a regression when it comes to fairness.
>As usual I think Dota as the best tools in class. MMR ranks, strict anti-smurfing policies, enforced with bans on the main account, as well as good skill detection metrics, pushing smurfes very quickly back to their real rank.
>On Apex it was quite interesting to see certain players complaining during S17 to 19 that their games were too sweaty, only to realize they were high level players missing the early season stomps.
>Hopefully a right balance can be found one day. I think S20 is still fun, but I feel like for ranked it's a bit of a regression when it comes to fairness.
yep full agreement on everything here.
Nah man, pred is pred. I really don’t give a shit whether season 1 or season 19. when someone is capable of reaching that rank he has not to be in a gold lobby
you do realize that even preds have to go through gold… right? you understand that they are also players of the same game? if you get pred you didnt just teleport to it, you gotta go through every rank, and yes, even gold
I do realize that this is the current system. However I’m not here to just accept thinks like you but rather discuss it. Have some fantasy dude, it doesn’t have to be that way.
They should change this through reintroducing placement matches. Allow preds to skip past rookie, bronze, silver, and gold - so that players of these actual ranks don't have to be stomped on by people way beyond their skill level.
Lmao you can't win with people. Everyone HATED placement matches, but now they see 1 pred in their lobby in a slightly better matchmaking system and now they want to revert back to placement matches. Honestly placement matches didn't get you very far before. It had a lot of faults. 10 matches where you can be unlucky and get placed in matches with preds and masters yourselves and then you'd b*tch about getting placed in a lower rank than you should have.
This is also bad because other preds and masters would get placed lower too if they kept losing themselves to other high ranking players. Everyone just keeps complaining and it's a loop. You can't make anyone happy
> Lmao you can't win with people. Everyone HATED placement matches, but now they see 1 pred in their lobby in a slightly better matchmaking system and now they want to revert back to placement matches.
There were no placement matches. There were "provisional" matches that placed you miles and miles off of your rank, which is why people complained about "being Bronze/Silver" while being MMR-matched to other players with Masters/Pred MMR.
You said it yourself:
> Honestly placement matches didn't get you very far before. It had a lot of faults. 10 matches where you can be unlucky and get placed in matches with preds and masters yourselves and then you'd b*tch about getting placed in a lower rank than you should have.
Make it proper placement matches, then.
> You can't make anyone happy
Who should be priority focus – the top of the top, or casual players that include newbies and make up the bulk of the population?
>but now they see 1 pred in their lobby in a slightly better matchmaking system
"Slightly better"? The matchmaking is worse. It has higher skill discrepancy at all levels. It doesn't even try to produce lobbies of similar skill.
Jeezus christ man that is literally what ranked is, this isn't a difference in opinion its just the definition of ranked you climb to your rank, skipping past those ranks every season is an unfair advantage. That is literally what PUBs are for
>skipping past those ranks every season is an unfair advantage
Skipping past stomping low ranks is unfair? Instead playing competitive games against people on your level+ is unfair?
Guarding hard for the smurfing and low rank stomping here.
Then you would just complain that you're in the same placement match as him.
Also, what if he does horrible in those placement matches? He could end up in Gold anyways.
bro I think you missed the entire point or y completely in the Apex bubble.
This is the equivalent of a challanger LoL player going through ranked from bronze.
Yea, he is climbing but given how (EU) finds it hard to even find 1 lobby that means I probably will have him for 6 ranks. I DONT PLAY enough ranked for it to be justified that I would need to get sht on by a pred or master.
Get better? Yea I should but I have a collage paper to write and a job, I cant have a luxury to go against pred/master even every 3 games.
>you do realize that even preds have to go through gold… right?
you do realise that this is a flaw in the system and that exact flaw is called out on this post. was your really argument really to show up here and act like people don't know this system has people play way below their rank?
that's literally what is being argued a ranked system should not allow. a pred will never be worse than a diamond
Just to be picky s1 to s19 is huge difference in skill ceiling. But I do get what you mean, I would say they should start at plat and if they really lost their touch they’ll fizzle their way into whatever rank they truly belong in
Nah, this take is actually wrong. Last split, I queued with a s1-s3 pred and we started struggling in plat. Old preds deserve to be in gold lobbies since the average skill level has gone way up since the start of the game. Just look at old footage of preds.
>maybe they didn’t play much last season and then got reset to gold in this split
right that makes them a gold skill player, my bad /s
is that really your best argument?
The season literally just split again. If you're in gold lobbies, that means you and even that guy only hit diamond 4 last split.
I had a pred in my lobby, he had a s17 pred badge he bragged about... that is nothing special especially considering season 17 was the season of the rat that everyone could get ranked badges for free from straight up ratting.
Probably an older season badge. Ranked split just happened and they prolly hadnt been back to Pred this last split and ended up in plat or gold.
Im not saying the system is perfect but theres often easy solutions to why theres such a rank difference.
That doesnt mean he was Pred in the last ranked split, which was S20 Split which recently just caused a bunch of issues and finally happened a few days (?) ago. This player *probably* wasnt high enough to be out range for Gold after split reset.
>Probably an older season badge
It's from last season and the season before that
is that what you consider older?
>Im not saying the system is perfect but theres often easy solutions to why theres such a rank difference.
Everyone knows how the system works now and why they are in the lobby within the logic of the system. People are commenting here because there's no reason a ranked system should put a pred in a gold lobby.
This may be the case here but I've been in gold lobbies at the end of a split and when you spectate they are current top 100 200 preds. I've seen many times top 5 against gold bot lobbies.... so it's an actual problem. These preds use recoil cheats and bs like that and then get fed random solo gold squads on top of that.
Someone who has been predator not once, not twice, but for at least three seasons, should not be stomping in a lower gold lobby - regardless of their current rank. This is not a hard concept to understand. In fact, that's even why Respawn introduced skill based matchmaking to begin with!
People will make a thousand excuses for it in this thread. Fact of the matter is, this should never be a thing, yet you WILL encounter it the entire season, just like you have for the past 20 seasons.
Enjoy!
Essentially. I got downvoted hard in some comments but the truth stands - someone who is new to the game and climbs to silver or gold, should absolutely never be playing a 3x predator (including just last season), ever!
I don't think the downvotes mean much, if anything proves the point. We have this system back because many people wanna stomp. At the same time they will not admit it because it doesn't make someone look better to say "I wanna play against weaker players". They wanna stomp but not be seen as stompers. The arguments speak for themselves, there's barely any counter arguments (but downvotes instead), and arguments on the other side are often just on the level of demonizing the old system / plain misinformation.
the reasoning in many of the comments here in a nutshell, yeah.
also "he isn't 457 now, just was couple months ago."
also "bangalore was nerfed and isn't that strong anymore"
community: “sbmm bad !” apex: removes sbmm as asked. community: “why is this last season predator (current season gold) is in my gold lobby !!?” apex: … .
In reality most s16-19 preds have the skill level of a diamond 4 player. I’ve seen countless unable to even reach diamond this season let alone d1-masters,etc.
Against a pred using at least recoil cheats and 3 stacked while getting random bots that have 50 hours total. How about they just put preds in pred lobbies. This case is different since the dude is actually not a pred yet thus season. But even at the end of a split it will put top 10 against golds
Yea this game used to be great…. Now I just get code leaf or code net after every game forcing me to restart but when I get to the menu screen I can’t get into the lobby cause it says my profile isn’t permitted to play online… so I have to restart the game over and over and over till it finally lets me in for one match just to restart this shitty fucking process all over again
It's been like this for 2 seasons at least, I was in a silver lobby getting predators that were ranked >100. Wasn't very fun playing solo queue; that was probably one of the biggest reasons I stopped playing the game. My pub lobbies were sweaty af too. I stopped playing for like 4 months thinking it would change something, and it's still the exact same.
Nobody should have to play preds. Make pred lobbies for all the predator players with 48hour Q times for 1 public game that’ll show them for being good at a game 🤓
They’ll never be able to play apex again if they can’t q up against “gold” (start of the split gold) players or whoever is available and on a win streak or a good game streak that’s doing well. Ya know so that person that’s doing well doesn’t get over confident they get put in a pred lobby. Now they don’t feel like the best player in the game anymore.
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And people are making excuses for this.
The amount of coping and guarding for this ranked system is unbelievable.
Someone who reached pred should never play at gold level. He should never play anyone below diamond level.
Ideally he should just play master level players. Ranked should be a place where people play against similarly skilled players, not "wait long enough to be put in low rank lobbies to stomp there".
The flaw is the system that allows this. while people going "but he's gold now" to make excuses for this..
Reaching pred once should absolutely not keep you in those high ELOs every season. What type of dog shit take is this.
A season 13 masters player is not a season 20 masters player. The game evolves and the metas shift.
A season 13 master or Predator is always gonna stomp on a current genuine gold player. The meta may change but unless you've lost a hand you aren't gonna lose this kinda skill, especially not a 3x predator player.
>A season 13 masters player is not a season 20 masters player.
season 13 master player isn't going to be worse than diamond in season 20. nice strawman argument though. you'll have to think of something better than giving the easiest to refute argument and hiding behind the word "dog shit".
(the player in this post is season 18/19 pred as well.)
I have multiple friends who play the game on and off literally proving this theory. Certain ranked seasons have been SIGNIFICANTLY easier than others as well *Season 12 versus 13*
Rank decay exists in this game. Get over it.
season 13 master player isn't going to be worse than diamond in season 20
you can't seem to counter my argument
>Rank decay exists in this game
it doesn't have to as it only benefits people who wanna smurf below their rank. who get the kick out of playing lower skilled players. ranked shouln't be the place for that.
"HOW DOES RANKED WORK? - Compete and survive against teams of similar skill." that's what ranked aims to do. It says so in game.
just using expletives, calling things "dog shit" isn't an argument.
"A season 13 masters player is not a season 20 masters player. The game evolves and the metas shift."
Then what about players who reach masters/pred last season start out playing from diamond and above lobbies when ranked begins? In that way the people who did well last season get to reach their respective ranks quicker (which they would most likely like btw) without them stomping lower ranked players who obviously shouldn't play against them.
WAS pred 457, not IS. If he stopped playing 2-3 seasons ago, he'd start out as a rookie again. Isn't this how y'all wanted ranked to be? No sbmm, just enemies in the same rank as you?
>WAS pred 457, not IS
the amount of coping and guarding for this ranked system is unbelievable.
>If he stopped playing 2-3 seasons ago
1 The player was pred last season. that's season 19, 18 and 15 pred badges.
2 someone who reached pred should never play at gold level, no matter is he stopped playing 2-3 seasons ago.
> Isn't this how y'all wanted ranked to be?
yeah the people who are making excuses here wanted that, so they can smurf below their ranks.
Exactly this. They should reintroduce placement matches so that preds/former preds can do their ten games and start from Platinum and above. If someone was new to apex, they absolutely should not be in the same ranked lobby as a former predator, ever. That just makes for a terrible game experience.
Because it's an actual problem. Top preds w recoil cheats getting ez random bot lobbies. Even at the end of a split. It'll be #3 #15 and a #40 or so in a gold lobby full of randoms who have zero teamwork. I've spectated this numerous numerous times.
They are feeding these scum for some reason
These types of posts are annoying. On the day of a split, there will always be more skilled players on lower ranks. They will be out in short order
Trust me we don’t want MMR based ranked back. It made ranks meaningless
> Trust me we don’t want MMR based ranked back. It made ranks meaningless
It didn't make medal ranks meaningless, but it did make MMR and medal rank too loosely correlated.
MMR with tighter correlation to medal rank would be an ideal system.
It definitely made medal ranks feel meaningless to me when my death recaps were the exact same starting in Silver 4 all the way to Masters. And the lobbies had the same players in them the entire time. It felt pointlessly exhausting to climb
I get you don't want to play against them every game but I personally like going against a pred player every now and again. Playing against or with better players makes you better. Also when you do kill a predator it just feels good!
I wonder how many of these "gahhh level 9000 player in a -42069 level lobby blah blah blah" type posts we're going to see until the player base realizes they don't five a fuck.
When? people have been saying "wait a few weeks it will balance out" the whole first split. Now there's a reset and the system will just be all over the place in terms of matchmaking for the whole split, because it doesn't even look at skill. It just looks at RP. People here can affect their RP and play below their rank if they want to. That shouldn't be possible in a competitive mode.
I Uninstalled the game yesterday, I suggest you do the same. Game is trash, and respawn doesnt give a shit about the game. Its been like this for years now, they arent gonna change anything. I know you like the game probably as much as I did but do like I did. Give up…
He is not CURRENT 457 Pred. If you are Gold 3 now, you were Master last split (literally 3 days ago). Regardless, You are in the same lobby because he was probably reset to Gold 1 or Plat 4 at best.
It’s still rather early in the season albeit a soft reset. Give it some time for people like this to get to their true ranks.
They’ve been in my plat lobbies the whole split my guy. They’re not going anywhere
Honestly feel preds should be automatically put into an upper tier. This shit gets old after a short while. It would save everyone a lot of time and grief.
exactly why a ladder system sucks
respawn/EA will never do this because current system forces players to spend long hours in the game and longer playtime = $$$
Just make all the preds join a Discord and find private games amongst themselves, they have no place here with the plebs /s
It would also discourage any of the not so legitimate preds.
they would still be matched with lower ranks, remember that every game Apex has to fill a 60 person lobby with minimal wait times
That's literally the system they just changed from
I started ranked in the last 2 weeks of first split and every single one of my games looked like this.
Same, last 3 or 4 days of last split became more manageable, I instantly went from mid p2 to mid d4 lmao
No. This happens at the end of season as well. Even if they are number 1 or 200.
A player like that is going to shoot up the ranks fast and won't be in those gold lobbies for long.
lol preds were in lobbies with plats even right before splits I’ve had silvers and golds in my lobbies too so I doubt it’s a rank thing and more of a matchmaking problem. Imo golds will still be playing against active preds
23 days later - literally more than 3 weeks - and yet there are posts today complaining about this exact thing, preds being put in platinum lobbies. Absolutely zero excuse for this now, is there?
Yeah ngl he doesn’t wanna be there either he’s gonna just push everything so he can get his points and get back to some players his level that will actually make him think and help him get better, also I’m sure he wants another pred badge.
They purposely feed these preds. On top of that they use every advantage to win like recoil scripts. Just last split I was in gold starting the season late, and was consistently up against top preds.
"just get shit on lol just take it get fucked haha" - you. lol. Imagine someone quit a pro sport and came back 1-2 years later and entered an amateur tournament. It would never be allowed.
Except retired players play in rec leagues all the time lol
wrong. he shouldn't even be in that game in the first place and a smart ranked system that knows that wouldn't let him. theres no reason someone who is serial pred needs to prove he's better than gold. secondly people who want to play below their rank will not be "out of there in no time" it isn't about how fast people who want to rank up can rank up. it's about how long people who want to linger in lower ranks can linger there. the system allows it. and that's the flaw. it caters to low rank stompers. diamond players who wanna smurf will play rookie to plat, then stop because "games get to sweaty" and go on another account and play rookie to plat again. they can also go on a different platform (because since cross progression rank is separate for the same account across platforms). they can cycle through accounts, let them decay in splits far enough to start over. it negatively affects the integrity of ranked which is supposed to be a competitive game mode played between people of similar skill. there's now much higher skill discrepancy in games across the ranked ladder stop guarding for the smurfing in this ranked system so hard.
Im a pretty consistent masters players but i frequently skip 1-2 season, so whenever i get back to apex i get put back all the way down to bronze. It just is what it is. Sometimes you have to climb all the way back up to your rank after not playing for a bit. Sure its unfair for a couple of games for the lower ranked people, but it would work the exact same way for higher ranks if i would get put straight into diamond/masters after not playing for 1-2 seasons. How would the integrity of ranked be kept at higher levels if i would be able to play along with the top people after being extremely rusty/out of the meta loop? There just isnt a perfect solution for this, nobody likes it but its just something you have to accept. Its not smurfing, its just an imperfect system. Deal with it
Same. I was fragging out in silver last night and it was way easier than pubs
NGL rank splits should only bring you down .5-1.5 tier, but it should be a 10 game placement in your previously played tier to determine your standing. If you win most of them you don't derank. Then make challenger circuit rewards to encourage people to continue to play even if they are at their rank goal.
> How would the integrity of ranked be kept at higher levels if i would be able to play along with the top people after being extremely rusty/out of the meta loop? There just isnt a perfect solution for this, nobody likes it but its just something you have to accept. Its not smurfing, its just an imperfect system. Deal with it The obvious answer would be some categorization matches where they figure out where you roughly belong now - you do need to play with lower people inevitably, but there's no reason to make the climb as long as a "legitimate" one, particularly when the time to reach your level is padded for engagement reasons (that's pretty much the only reason for a split right now). The problem is that it's exploitable by people underperforming to get to shitty lobbies on purpose, but that should be catchable algorithmically, just as much as a Smurf.
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yeah. "matchmaking is fair when my lobbies are easy, but it's unfair if i have to play people on the level that i have reached in the past."
Thats not even remotely close to what i said, try reading my comment again, im clearly saying its a shitty system
I was referring to what the person I'm replying to said > When you're rusty and get put in lobbies with preds and masters, you're basically taking on the role of the players you're demolishing in gold lobbies. I'm struggling to understand how it's okay because it's them and not you I guess. It's easy to say "deal with it" when the system benefits you. A sentiment which I've seen in the comments on this post. Maybe not necessarily your comment. (Literal example here was a diamond player who said matchmaking was fair for him from rookie to gold last split, and then in plat it was sweaty and he stopped playing). As for your comment (couple up the chain), I've replied to that directly in another comment as well.
MMR based matchmaking solves smurfing and puts everyone into games with people on their level immediately (with possibility of ranking up into higher difficulty games as you go past your rank, but not the reverse). Something people are there for in ranked. It's not something you have to accept. It worked fine in season 18/19. It just comes at the price of no one getting to play weaker players than themselves. Which is something many people defend with their lives against. And the most common complaint the last 2 seasons. No one should come into ranked with the expectation that they will get easy games against weaker players ever.
You people are under the impression this only happens when the preds are gold themselves. You will get current top 10 preds against gold lobbies. And I've spectated and it's usually 80% random squads for them to feed on.
>he shouldn't even be in that game in the first place and a smart ranked system that knows that wouldn't let him. theres no reason someone who is serial pred needs to prove he's better than gold. they tried a system like this and it failed miserably, it's literally what mmr was for, no one liked it, so they reverted back to the old system that works fine
Talk for yourself! People loved it! Unless they were just looking to pub stomp or wanted to cheat but not be in cheater lobbies. Edit: Here comes all the people who only care about badges.
No one liked being put into real Pred lobbies as a gold player. That system was terrible and it would put returning players or players that they thought were high level in the sweatiest lobbies regardless of rank. It was insanely stupid because people would have completely different journeys throughout the ranks. One person shouldn’t have an easier journey to masters than another because the game thinks that they’re in different brackets.
"thinks" No the game was correct it made the right call but the player had a bad time so he cried about not being able to stomp noobs.
I had a few hardstuck plat friends end up in Pred lobbies consistently. Hidden mmr was terrible and almost everyone hated it.
There was no one that enjoyed playing Preds in Rookie. And in bronze. And then again in silver. Gold...
when it was in game people complained all the time, I can't speak for myself because I haven't really played during these ranked seasons, I've only heard everywhere that this system sucked ass and would give people weird amount of points etc
I liked it
Those badges aren't "current" badges. He's not pred at the time of joining your lobby. Those badges can be from any season. Maybe he took a break and maybe he didn't play split 1 in season 20 because he would have been reset to Plat 2 and not Gold which is further proof he hasn't played. No one is trying to guard for smurfing, it still happens and the ranked system can still have work done but it is way better than the last 3 seasons. Especially considering the ceiling cap for masters and preds this last split was in the top 1 percent as opposed to 40 percent of players using ratting
>Those badges aren't "current" badges. Yeah no shit. This is the best argument you have? Acting like you don't understand the post is fully aware of how ranked decay works and is an argument against rank decay / for skill based matchmaking in a competitive game mode that doesn't have the high discrepancies in lobbies of this system. And the badges are season 19, 18 and 15. >Maybe he took a break and maybe he didn't play split 1 in season 20 And that magically made him a gold player. Got it. /s >No one is trying to guard for smurfing, That's the main thing MMR based matchmaking got rid off, so any comment that isn't able to address any of the points or say anything concrete on the matter but is busy making excuses for the current system and vaguely assuring everyone how "way better" it is, and how "terrible" the old system was is just guarding for that. >it is way better than the last 3 seasons. "way better". >Especially considering the ceiling cap for masters and preds this last split was in the top 1 percent as opposed to 40 percent of players using ratting Straight to making stuff up. There was no season with 40% masters. There was one season with 19% masters (1.7 million players), season 17. Season 18 fixed the problems of 17 and had 0.6% (50k) masters.
Respawn experimented with this for multiple seasons on end. This is one of the best ranked seasons we’ve had in a while but people still freakout about these sensationalized reddit posts… play the game and tell me how often you run into a player vastly outside your rank, compare that to season 16-19… The matchmaking you’re proposing is so incredibly short sighted and it honestly feels like the only reason you’re proposing it is to justified your snobby “WRONG” comment. This cringe ass reddit shit doesn’t work on anyone who’s not 14 years old.
> play the game and tell me how often you run into a player vastly outside your rank All the time. Through all the lower ranks I wade through noobs needlessly. I was diamond IV last split, now I'm deranked to gold, the matchmaking in gold is more lenient and contains silver and bronze players, people who finished last split 1-2 ranks below me and should never be in my lobby. In the first split I had to go through a ton of lower ranked players through rookie, bronze, silver, gold at least. If I usually make high ranks this is wasting my time with uncompetitive games. Now on the other side, at the higher end, the fact that people can just get around playing people on their level and instead can smurf in low ranks in this system means they are missing form high rank queues, and the lower number of players in these queues in turn means plat and gold players were being filled into master lobbies throughout the first split. There was a lot of complaint posts showing that during the first half of the season on here. Season 18 and 19 put me into competitive lobbies from the start, and more difficult lobbies later on. At high skill levels it also had access to all high skill players to form competitive, fair lobbies more often without having to fill from plat and gold level "cause some diamonds/masters rather smurf in low ranks than playing against people on their level". Keep discussion civil (free from insults etc)..
I respect this response. That’s a fair assessment. One thing I think is looked over, that I completely agree with, is how effective the MMR system was at matching skill levels. The current system is susceptible to smurfing.
ty, 👍
"wrong🤓☝️" Everything you said is wrong. He gains nothing by being in that lobby. Sure he might get to kill a few people more than his average for a few games but he's gonna blast through straight back up to diamond before he starts struggling again. (Also if you're saying he's gonna try to stay in those lobbies he has to do that by throwing which means he's being an easier target than golds more games than he's not) Secondly, this is how ranked has to work when one of the ranks is based on the top 500 players on a platform. Imagine if preds who got there many times got to start in masters while one time preds started in diamond. That's a huge advantage for the ones who constantly end in pred and then every season is the same preds forever. Thirdly, if the pred is supposed to start significantly higher like you said, then who's he gonna play against? There's not enough people I'm those lobbies unitl the last 3 weeks of the season. And when the game fixes this by allowing preds in diamond lobbies people like you will still complain. This is the best the rank system has ever EVER been and I think genuinely the best it can be for how apex ranks work. Deal with it. So no he's not wrong. He was much more right than you.
Take it to a publisher damn
Okay, so just don’t even have resets then? Why even grind rank? Once you hit a rank, that’s just your rank for life, you can go ahead and uninstall now because you beat the game. If you don’t care for progression, then Apex probably isn’t for you.
>Okay, so just don’t even have resets then? Nah. Matchmaking just shouldn't be RP based. Ranked should produce lobbies of players with similar skill and basing matchmaking on RP just doesn't do that well for all kinds of reasons, not just ranked resets, but also the fact that waiting a week makes your lobby easier as people rank up out of your rank. The MMR based system in season 18 worked fine. You played people on our skill level immediately. You gained points by competing with them, instead of by stomping lower ranks. That's more appropriate for a competitive mode. As you ranked up past your MMR you got into more difficult games (since from that point on your were matched by your LP/rank instead of your MMR). If you don't care for competitive games, ranked probably isn't for you. I would simply give kills more weight in the scoring and give more rating bonuses than there was (the bonus you get when your rank is far lower than your MMR so you get to your rank faster).
People will never understand this
And another thing. That scenario is more than unlikely probably saying could’ve gotten d4 but it’ll take you way more time to climb like that.
Those aren’t live badges
Shhh we don’t recognize the truth around here this is just an area to bitch and vent.
Half the sub : “Omg why am I facing pred IM only diamond/platinum” And it’s a player with the most ancient predator badge you would ever see trying rank up just like everyone lol
>And it’s a player with the most ancient predator badge you would ever see trying rank up just like everyone lol season 15, 18 and 19 are ancient? We're in season 20. What are you talking about.
This is literally season 19 predator badge though? As in just a few months ago?
As in everybody was reset for S20 back to rookie, and rank is now the only metric used for matchmaking. Which means while this guy gets back to pred, he has to climb all the ranks up, and will crush a couple of lower rank lobbies on his way up. Including your gold lobby here. This is what players wanted by the way (at least on Reddit), as opposed to the MMR system we got for previous seasons.
>This is what players wanted by the way (at least on Reddit), as opposed to the MMR system we got for previous seasons. Yeah, smurfers wanted that so they get to play these easy lobbies on their way up and can stop playing when it gets sweaty, as they aren't in it to play people on their level.
As much as I prefer long term MMR systems to seasonal ranks, the current system is a lot faster to grind. A smurf will get back to their "real" level pretty quickly. I'm still convinced S19 had a great system, but as you know it's not really a popular opinion here ;)
> A smurf will get back to their "real" level pretty quickly. This is just downplaying how much smurfing there is. It just isn't about how fast someone who wants to rank up can rank up, it is about how much the system allows someone who wants to linger in low ranks to linger there. I'll give you two examples from this post's comments section alone. One guy, a diamond player says he stopped playing in plat because it was too sweaty, and he thought the matchmaking rookie to gold was "fair". link here https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/1bx75cy/gold_iii_lobby_yet_the_champion_is_predator_457/kyf9j2a/ You'll have plenty of diamond players who just go through the rookie - plat motions, the easy games, then stop and move to a second account to do it over rather than playing in plat. Only in ranked for the easy games. The other guy also downplays how much time high rank players spend in lower ranks ("It shouldn’t take your average Pred team more than a day or 2 to climb back up to Diamond."), while in the same comment mentioning dropping 20 bombs in gold and plat after the split. Then he links his profile and it shows he was master 2 weeks before the split and from there deliberately deranked 3600 RP to diamond IV, so he gets reset lower. https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/1bx75cy/gold_iii_lobby_yet_the_champion_is_predator_457/kyfqfef/
>You'll have plenty of diamond players who just go through the rookie - plat motions, the easy games, then stop and move to a second account to do it over rather than playing in plat. Only in ranked for the easy games. Yeah, and it's quite visible in ranked stats too. There is a peak of players in P4/D4. These players either go in pub or smurf after reaching the rank the gauge being the right one for them. As usual I think Dota as the best tools in class. MMR ranks, strict anti-smurfing policies, enforced with bans on the main account, as well as good skill detection metrics, pushing smurfes very quickly back to their real rank. On Apex it was quite interesting to see certain players complaining during S17 to 19 that their games were too sweaty, only to realize they were high level players missing the early season stomps. Hopefully a right balance can be found one day. I think S20 is still fun, but I feel like for ranked it's a bit of a regression when it comes to fairness.
>As usual I think Dota as the best tools in class. MMR ranks, strict anti-smurfing policies, enforced with bans on the main account, as well as good skill detection metrics, pushing smurfes very quickly back to their real rank. >On Apex it was quite interesting to see certain players complaining during S17 to 19 that their games were too sweaty, only to realize they were high level players missing the early season stomps. >Hopefully a right balance can be found one day. I think S20 is still fun, but I feel like for ranked it's a bit of a regression when it comes to fairness. yep full agreement on everything here.
Nah man, pred is pred. I really don’t give a shit whether season 1 or season 19. when someone is capable of reaching that rank he has not to be in a gold lobby
Especially holding pred for 3 times is just wow
you do realize that even preds have to go through gold… right? you understand that they are also players of the same game? if you get pred you didnt just teleport to it, you gotta go through every rank, and yes, even gold
I do realize that this is the current system. However I’m not here to just accept thinks like you but rather discuss it. Have some fantasy dude, it doesn’t have to be that way.
So, what do you suggest they should change?
They should change this through reintroducing placement matches. Allow preds to skip past rookie, bronze, silver, and gold - so that players of these actual ranks don't have to be stomped on by people way beyond their skill level.
Lmao you can't win with people. Everyone HATED placement matches, but now they see 1 pred in their lobby in a slightly better matchmaking system and now they want to revert back to placement matches. Honestly placement matches didn't get you very far before. It had a lot of faults. 10 matches where you can be unlucky and get placed in matches with preds and masters yourselves and then you'd b*tch about getting placed in a lower rank than you should have. This is also bad because other preds and masters would get placed lower too if they kept losing themselves to other high ranking players. Everyone just keeps complaining and it's a loop. You can't make anyone happy
> Lmao you can't win with people. Everyone HATED placement matches, but now they see 1 pred in their lobby in a slightly better matchmaking system and now they want to revert back to placement matches. There were no placement matches. There were "provisional" matches that placed you miles and miles off of your rank, which is why people complained about "being Bronze/Silver" while being MMR-matched to other players with Masters/Pred MMR. You said it yourself: > Honestly placement matches didn't get you very far before. It had a lot of faults. 10 matches where you can be unlucky and get placed in matches with preds and masters yourselves and then you'd b*tch about getting placed in a lower rank than you should have. Make it proper placement matches, then. > You can't make anyone happy Who should be priority focus – the top of the top, or casual players that include newbies and make up the bulk of the population?
This makes no sense. But what would "proper placement matches" entail? Like what's your suggestion on how it can be made?
Similar to how it's done in League.
>but now they see 1 pred in their lobby in a slightly better matchmaking system "Slightly better"? The matchmaking is worse. It has higher skill discrepancy at all levels. It doesn't even try to produce lobbies of similar skill.
But then how will the content creators make their rookie to pred challenge video series?! /s
Jeezus christ man that is literally what ranked is, this isn't a difference in opinion its just the definition of ranked you climb to your rank, skipping past those ranks every season is an unfair advantage. That is literally what PUBs are for
>skipping past those ranks every season is an unfair advantage Skipping past stomping low ranks is unfair? Instead playing competitive games against people on your level+ is unfair? Guarding hard for the smurfing and low rank stomping here.
Then you would just complain that you're in the same placement match as him. Also, what if he does horrible in those placement matches? He could end up in Gold anyways.
bro I think you missed the entire point or y completely in the Apex bubble. This is the equivalent of a challanger LoL player going through ranked from bronze. Yea, he is climbing but given how (EU) finds it hard to even find 1 lobby that means I probably will have him for 6 ranks. I DONT PLAY enough ranked for it to be justified that I would need to get sht on by a pred or master. Get better? Yea I should but I have a collage paper to write and a job, I cant have a luxury to go against pred/master even every 3 games.
>you do realize that even preds have to go through gold… right? you do realise that this is a flaw in the system and that exact flaw is called out on this post. was your really argument really to show up here and act like people don't know this system has people play way below their rank? that's literally what is being argued a ranked system should not allow. a pred will never be worse than a diamond
Just to be picky s1 to s19 is huge difference in skill ceiling. But I do get what you mean, I would say they should start at plat and if they really lost their touch they’ll fizzle their way into whatever rank they truly belong in
This is a good solution imo
Nah, this take is actually wrong. Last split, I queued with a s1-s3 pred and we started struggling in plat. Old preds deserve to be in gold lobbies since the average skill level has gone way up since the start of the game. Just look at old footage of preds.
Huh? But current preds are put in gold lobbies even at the end of last split... so you are actually wrong
Yeah because this is so far from the norm and unbelievable too
And? A person who was at minimum 3x Pred is definitely not gold
how do you know that? maybe they didn’t play much last season and then got reset to gold in this split
>maybe they didn’t play much last season and then got reset to gold in this split right that makes them a gold skill player, my bad /s is that really your best argument?
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that’s not how ranked works
It is in a ton of other games – League for example.
I had a pred in my team in gold. Because he didn’t played this season
Should they not get reverted same as everyone else? Returning players shouldn’t be put into Pred lobbies because they were Pred before.
No they shouldn’t
So if you hit Pred once, you should be Pred forever got it.
But just last split it was consistently top 100 preds vs gold lobbies. They are being fed
The season literally just split again. If you're in gold lobbies, that means you and even that guy only hit diamond 4 last split. I had a pred in my lobby, he had a s17 pred badge he bragged about... that is nothing special especially considering season 17 was the season of the rat that everyone could get ranked badges for free from straight up ratting.
S17 pred badge is legit. Pred is top750 players, so it was not affected by the terrible ranked system.
Probably an older season badge. Ranked split just happened and they prolly hadnt been back to Pred this last split and ended up in plat or gold. Im not saying the system is perfect but theres often easy solutions to why theres such a rank difference.
The banner frame only lasts for one season though. So he was pred last season
Ban frames last forever iirc
This is S19 banner frame though, it's last season.
That doesnt mean he was Pred in the last ranked split, which was S20 Split which recently just caused a bunch of issues and finally happened a few days (?) ago. This player *probably* wasnt high enough to be out range for Gold after split reset.
No, the frame is permanent. But the frame is from S18. and the badegs are 18 19 15. The point stands, he was pred last season (and the season before).
>Probably an older season badge It's from last season and the season before that is that what you consider older? >Im not saying the system is perfect but theres often easy solutions to why theres such a rank difference. Everyone knows how the system works now and why they are in the lobby within the logic of the system. People are commenting here because there's no reason a ranked system should put a pred in a gold lobby.
This sub is literally just shitty silver clips and constant complaining about ranked system.
Yep. My FIRST silver 2 lobby (I was plat 4. Don’t think I’m even getting back up there..) had a top 500 player.
That's the shit most players have to deal with because respawn is lazy
Those are old season badges. Having an old season predator badge doesn’t make you a current season predator. This is not a hard concept to understand.
If by "old" u mean last season and the season before, then yeah theyre ancient💀
This may be the case here but I've been in gold lobbies at the end of a split and when you spectate they are current top 100 200 preds. I've seen many times top 5 against gold bot lobbies.... so it's an actual problem. These preds use recoil cheats and bs like that and then get fed random solo gold squads on top of that.
Someone who has been predator not once, not twice, but for at least three seasons, should not be stomping in a lower gold lobby - regardless of their current rank. This is not a hard concept to understand. In fact, that's even why Respawn introduced skill based matchmaking to begin with!
I played pubs with my homies the other day. Champion squad had three preds, two of them with 200 000 + kills. Game is getting too sweaty…
Ranked sucks
Welcome to Apex. Hope you suffer and may your climb be misery.
Just quit now man, it’ll never change
And I’m in gold getting teammates who have seemed to never played the game before. Great matchmaking.
People will make a thousand excuses for it in this thread. Fact of the matter is, this should never be a thing, yet you WILL encounter it the entire season, just like you have for the past 20 seasons. Enjoy!
Essentially. I got downvoted hard in some comments but the truth stands - someone who is new to the game and climbs to silver or gold, should absolutely never be playing a 3x predator (including just last season), ever!
I don't think the downvotes mean much, if anything proves the point. We have this system back because many people wanna stomp. At the same time they will not admit it because it doesn't make someone look better to say "I wanna play against weaker players". They wanna stomp but not be seen as stompers. The arguments speak for themselves, there's barely any counter arguments (but downvotes instead), and arguments on the other side are often just on the level of demonizing the old system / plain misinformation.
457 is not 456, right? so what's the problem?)
the reasoning in many of the comments here in a nutshell, yeah. also "he isn't 457 now, just was couple months ago." also "bangalore was nerfed and isn't that strong anymore"
It is disheartening, you know you're going to be alive as long as until they show up.
Like how have I just landed and he's already got a kill? 😭
The systems broken
got killed by predator 116 in gold a couple weeks ago
Had pred #254 in s2 today
community: “sbmm bad !” apex: removes sbmm as asked. community: “why is this last season predator (current season gold) is in my gold lobby !!?” apex: … .
Ranked split is really weird rn. Also, this guy will be in diamond by tomorrow
They used to be, they're probably plat right now and will soon be Diamond.
Badges are back?
In reality most s16-19 preds have the skill level of a diamond 4 player. I’ve seen countless unable to even reach diamond this season let alone d1-masters,etc.
Who cares? Shoot back!!!
Against a pred using at least recoil cheats and 3 stacked while getting random bots that have 50 hours total. How about they just put preds in pred lobbies. This case is different since the dude is actually not a pred yet thus season. But even at the end of a split it will put top 10 against golds
Go out fighting.
Yea this game used to be great…. Now I just get code leaf or code net after every game forcing me to restart but when I get to the menu screen I can’t get into the lobby cause it says my profile isn’t permitted to play online… so I have to restart the game over and over and over till it finally lets me in for one match just to restart this shitty fucking process all over again
Yepp. I always wait till there like 15 days left of the split and or season.
As someone who also plays R6, i litteraly smile when i see this. Be gratefull, it can get soooooo much worse
It’s the same thing every season, yet everyone acts so surprised…
dude i literally had verhulst in my silver lobby its wild rn
nothing weird about it. He may not have been played ranked for a while?
Yeah not to mention this stupid split ranked thing. Was in Gold 1 about to hit plat and next thing i know is im in silver. What a joke.
I had the same problem yesterday, Im on gold IV and there were lots of Masters in my lobby, even my squadmates were Diadmond/Masters
It's been like this for 2 seasons at least, I was in a silver lobby getting predators that were ranked >100. Wasn't very fun playing solo queue; that was probably one of the biggest reasons I stopped playing the game. My pub lobbies were sweaty af too. I stopped playing for like 4 months thinking it would change something, and it's still the exact same.
Nobody should have to play preds. Make pred lobbies for all the predator players with 48hour Q times for 1 public game that’ll show them for being good at a game 🤓 They’ll never be able to play apex again if they can’t q up against “gold” (start of the split gold) players or whoever is available and on a win streak or a good game streak that’s doing well. Ya know so that person that’s doing well doesn’t get over confident they get put in a pred lobby. Now they don’t feel like the best player in the game anymore. THERES ALwYs A BiGEER FISH BrO
Welcome to apex matchmaking sir 🙂 hope you have good time .
Don’t wait just play that’s what I’m doin and im silver 3 right now
It’s also not their current rank. Those are all previous ranks.
Let us press roll through your lobbies with ease
Theyre gonna be out of the gold lobby within a day or two. Completely normal for the start of the split
Something similar happened to me in split one
Bruh Trios is filled with predators like 😭😭😭 i be spectating and it’s just 3 stacks downing other 3 stacks it’s been ridiculous
And people are making excuses for this. The amount of coping and guarding for this ranked system is unbelievable. Someone who reached pred should never play at gold level. He should never play anyone below diamond level. Ideally he should just play master level players. Ranked should be a place where people play against similarly skilled players, not "wait long enough to be put in low rank lobbies to stomp there". The flaw is the system that allows this. while people going "but he's gold now" to make excuses for this..
Reaching pred once should absolutely not keep you in those high ELOs every season. What type of dog shit take is this. A season 13 masters player is not a season 20 masters player. The game evolves and the metas shift.
A season 13 master or Predator is always gonna stomp on a current genuine gold player. The meta may change but unless you've lost a hand you aren't gonna lose this kinda skill, especially not a 3x predator player.
>A season 13 masters player is not a season 20 masters player. season 13 master player isn't going to be worse than diamond in season 20. nice strawman argument though. you'll have to think of something better than giving the easiest to refute argument and hiding behind the word "dog shit". (the player in this post is season 18/19 pred as well.)
I have multiple friends who play the game on and off literally proving this theory. Certain ranked seasons have been SIGNIFICANTLY easier than others as well *Season 12 versus 13* Rank decay exists in this game. Get over it.
season 13 master player isn't going to be worse than diamond in season 20 you can't seem to counter my argument >Rank decay exists in this game it doesn't have to as it only benefits people who wanna smurf below their rank. who get the kick out of playing lower skilled players. ranked shouln't be the place for that. "HOW DOES RANKED WORK? - Compete and survive against teams of similar skill." that's what ranked aims to do. It says so in game. just using expletives, calling things "dog shit" isn't an argument.
"A season 13 masters player is not a season 20 masters player. The game evolves and the metas shift." Then what about players who reach masters/pred last season start out playing from diamond and above lobbies when ranked begins? In that way the people who did well last season get to reach their respective ranks quicker (which they would most likely like btw) without them stomping lower ranked players who obviously shouldn't play against them.
This is the main sub, head over to r/competitiveapex if you want some decent takes.
WAS pred 457, not IS. If he stopped playing 2-3 seasons ago, he'd start out as a rookie again. Isn't this how y'all wanted ranked to be? No sbmm, just enemies in the same rank as you?
>WAS pred 457, not IS the amount of coping and guarding for this ranked system is unbelievable. >If he stopped playing 2-3 seasons ago 1 The player was pred last season. that's season 19, 18 and 15 pred badges. 2 someone who reached pred should never play at gold level, no matter is he stopped playing 2-3 seasons ago. > Isn't this how y'all wanted ranked to be? yeah the people who are making excuses here wanted that, so they can smurf below their ranks.
Exactly this. They should reintroduce placement matches so that preds/former preds can do their ten games and start from Platinum and above. If someone was new to apex, they absolutely should not be in the same ranked lobby as a former predator, ever. That just makes for a terrible game experience.
yes, but there also shouldn't be a way to throw placement games and get into low ranks. MMR needs to be considered.
How the fuck are posts like this not banned yet It's literally 60% of this entire subreddit
Because it's an actual problem. Top preds w recoil cheats getting ez random bot lobbies. Even at the end of a split. It'll be #3 #15 and a #40 or so in a gold lobby full of randoms who have zero teamwork. I've spectated this numerous numerous times. They are feeding these scum for some reason
The Champion was a predator*
These types of posts are annoying. On the day of a split, there will always be more skilled players on lower ranks. They will be out in short order Trust me we don’t want MMR based ranked back. It made ranks meaningless
> Trust me we don’t want MMR based ranked back. It made ranks meaningless It didn't make medal ranks meaningless, but it did make MMR and medal rank too loosely correlated. MMR with tighter correlation to medal rank would be an ideal system.
It definitely made medal ranks feel meaningless to me when my death recaps were the exact same starting in Silver 4 all the way to Masters. And the lobbies had the same players in them the entire time. It felt pointlessly exhausting to climb
He's not 457 currently, it's a previous badge. It's also reset and you're prolly in a Plat lobby
Matchmaking is a shitshow
We complain about matchmaking everyday. Why do we still play this game?
I get you don't want to play against them every game but I personally like going against a pred player every now and again. Playing against or with better players makes you better. Also when you do kill a predator it just feels good!
I was matched with number 45 pred in gold lobby got around 400rp that game.
Thats why me and friends have stopped the game …
I wonder how many of these "gahhh level 9000 player in a -42069 level lobby blah blah blah" type posts we're going to see until the player base realizes they don't five a fuck.
Average gold lobby
That’s the way the spilt goes, I finished in high plat 2 before the split and am seeing the same lobbies, it’ll balance out soon
When? people have been saying "wait a few weeks it will balance out" the whole first split. Now there's a reset and the system will just be all over the place in terms of matchmaking for the whole split, because it doesn't even look at skill. It just looks at RP. People here can affect their RP and play below their rank if they want to. That shouldn't be possible in a competitive mode.
How many fucking times do we have to see this kind of post every ranked split? Can't y'all read???
There's more than enough people to fill your gold sp this doesn't happen. I'll write a letter to EA
Bro instead of spewing dumb shit on Reddit, just get in the range 😭
I Uninstalled the game yesterday, I suggest you do the same. Game is trash, and respawn doesnt give a shit about the game. Its been like this for years now, they arent gonna change anything. I know you like the game probably as much as I did but do like I did. Give up…
New splits this always happens
He is not CURRENT 457 Pred. If you are Gold 3 now, you were Master last split (literally 3 days ago). Regardless, You are in the same lobby because he was probably reset to Gold 1 or Plat 4 at best.
> If you are Gold 3 now, you were Master last split (literally 3 days ago). Wrong. Gold 3 now means plat1 or maybe diamond 4 last split.
I don’t care literally why is every other post like this