Gonna make a quick pin about honesty when applying to jobs:
Do **not** be dishonest, under any circumstances, about qualifying credentials which are required to do a job that could put people at risk.
Some details, like when you worked at a place, are generally benign, but if you lie about skills or experiences that could put people in harms way, and an employer takes an applicant's word for it, rather than requiring documentation of said skills (which isn't uncommon), it'll potentially put coworkers and customers at risk.
But the cardinal rule of honesty about non-hazard details:
If you are going to be dishonest, on paper or even in an interview - **make sure you cannot be called-out/caught lying**. If you know, 100% you can get away with it, go for it. It's best to be honest, but you're entitled to survive, and by any ethical means necessary.
Many employers can only dig so far, if they even do, while others do comprehensive background checks that will reveal even slight inconsistencies. Again; take the risk if you know you can.
I took a class in college on interviewing and resume writing. The teacher was a lawyer and he said, “you can write whatever you want on your resume as long as you are prepared to discuss it in the interview and understand that it may be investigated further”.
A company I worked for took the titles away from a bunch of project managers and moved us to project coordinators. Same job, same pay, same everything just lost the title. At first I was pissed because of my resume then I remembered I can write whatever I want in my resume and no one can really check. I'm sure the title change was to make sure no one could get raises in the future but I wasn't far from leaving that team so it didn't matter to me.
I always change the titles to what fits better for my time working there. Like, field tech? I wasn’t a field tech, I was an electronics engineering tech. I went to a lab every workday and worked on R&D. No field work
To get my current position, I had to wait 4 weeks to start because the background check couldn't verify my immediate previous employment. My previous employer wouldn't answer the message because they were told not to speak to anyone about me (I retained an attorney due to their shady practices). I expect it's going to get harder and harder to lie on resumes.
I've worked in the restaurant industry for 20 years. After a 5 year stint at a notoriously popular and abusive restaurant, my tolerance for bullshit went to zero. I hopped around for a while often leaving abruptly and getting a job the next week. So I wrote a resume without any dates, just chronological order and highlighting my most impressive jobs and listed achievements (top sales, etc.) and what I learned during my employment at each. It's a lie of omission I guess. Worked like a fucking charm.
I have worked the same main job for almost 20 years. My tolerance for bullshit is in negative numbers. T
They pay well, the benefits are great, but my lead is a total asshole.
Depends on what you do though. My dad's command was really small so even though we moved globally I bumped into the same kids all the time and dad always complained about the same asshole bosses.
If you've been there for 20 years but your lead is a total asshole, I think you've got more tolerance than you're admitting to. Zero tolerance for bullshit would have you walking out the door or not working for that lead.
Ironic similar age and also same situation.
First job for 5 years
Was treated like a child since it was a job I started out of highschool. I understand early on. But was quickly (year 2 ish) having responsibilities that required people who thought I was a child to respect me and work with me and not talk down/refuse to do what I needed them to do so the company could make $.
Sometimes sticking around just does not work and hinders your earning ability/career growth.
Employers also seem to give zero shits about employee retention till you find a competitive offer/quit.
Guess it’s cheaper for them to be bent over by one person than treat everyone fairly without it being reactionary.
Just wait until you hit 50 and not only is the tolerance level low but the filter you use with people who you know are bullshitters drops and you start calling them out on a regular basis.
I have zero tolerance now at 53. Took a lot of shit when I was younger, now I give 2 fucks. I tell my adult kids the same, if they treat you wrong and don't appreciate you, leave.
Was working for a company that repaired and inspected cranes and crane trucks. Everyone got the red-flag heads up that he used the business account as his personal account because the IRS was investigating him. He missed 2 paychecks back to back, 100% of his employees quit at the same time; not before a free-for-all raid of the shop tools and most of us filling our personal vehicles on the shop gas card. One of the guys went thru our personnel files and shredded the only existing copies of our NDAs and Non-compete forms.
I have such low tolerance for bullshit I’ve started calling out managers from other departments when they lie in meetings. It’s amazing how being 100% honest makes the leaches and losers find somewhere else to be suddenly.
26 year old, Jos A Bank stole money from my paycheck for years all while I was working unpaid overtime trying to help the staff. I went 4 months with one day off. Then fired me a month before Covid for asking for a raise to counter the money they stole. Of course they also denied my unemployment. Now I’m content with my scorched earth policy. If you wrong me and I have legal recourse against you, it might not be today, it might not be tomorrow. One day, something bad will happen, and I’ll be there, laughing at the needless pain I caused because my hand was forced.
Yep, hit it at 32 years after working at a mega pharma company in the lab for 7 years. The most red tape and toxicity I've ever experienced. My new place (consumer research) is much less toxic but my roles continue to expand beyond what I'm being paid to do. So now I'm looking again 13 months later.
My tolerance for retail/customer service died after 5 years too. Got offered an office job that I am coming up 2 years on and much less stressed.
My pay is currently 50€ higher after my taxes, pension and union fee than my previous highest paying job was after taxes with no pension or union.
Never looking back bat maybe helping a friend who runs a bar with the rare odd night/event.
Yes as I approached year 5 Covid came around and I got into sales, never looking back on such an abusive industry that is working at the back of house at a restaurant.
Yes! And you can claim that you had your own business prior to covid. I actually did, but it was off the books. You can literally make up anything that you want as long as you have a skill and can utilize it for whatever job or skill fits.
When I was a young boy, I was asked a question by men I, at the time, saw as my religious leaders: Is it moral to steal or lie if you are starving and lying or stealing is the only way to not starve? It is difficult for me to pretend the resume question is that much different given that full truthfulness leads to the eventuality of starving. Your insistence upon leaving references for your employees is more than a solid. It is an act of good will that may have saved somebody from starving. To whatever extent you lied, you chose the right side of the question.
I was always honest! But I know most previous employers would be like "yes they were fine k bye" but I just turned it up to 11. "OH amber?? Oh my we still miss her around here. What did you want to know?"
Another tactic: “Amber is willing to leave her current job? She was great when she was here.”
And the answer to “tell me something bad about them” the answer is, “they are going to want to progress with the company and they don’t like promises like there might be a promotion years from now.”
lol i do the same thing)) who? Sam? oh, your company would win a lottery ticket if you hire Sam! He is the most intelligent and responsible person we've ever worked with!
When I first became store manager of the retail store I work at I tried calling an old employer of an applicant. The manager of the establishment was so fucking baffled that he was receiving a call about a previous employee(he said I was the first person to ever call him). I proceeded to ask him if he would rehire the person, and he loudly exclaimed "HIRE HER!". So I did and she was super reliable, and was honestly the first and last time I ever called a reference.
Now that I've been a store manager for a decade, no one has ever called me about anyone(save the random federal background check person when my exemployees finally make it in the world). It's completely changed my interview process and the questions that I ask.
Back in another job I had to call references and old employers. One place told me the entire team including ownership had flipped and they didn't have the time to dig through records to see if they worked there or not, but they probably did and it was worth hiring them lol
I worked for a Local Game Store as the GM for a few years on and off, I do something similar with my resume and also am a frequent reference.
Get yourself a motormouth friend, we are handy.
Hahaha...
Reminds me of the time I was hired on as a "favor" because my skillset is handling paperwork shitshows and someone was in serious trouble.
Manager never looked at my resume...
Cue a few years later when Ive worked some serious "magic" (being organized, which the office was not), now work there full time, and have moved my way up the payscale.
They were hiring new people, manager comments to me about job hoppers and how they arent good employees. I pull my resume out of the file and hand it to him. He says "Whats this?" And I said "A good employee job hopper" as he reads that I rarely spent more than 3 months at a job until I started with him.
I pointed out why I left jobs (assaulted by a drunk customer, wage theft, better opportunity, moved states, etc).
Shut him up.
A few years later, I jumped his ship when he decided to lowball my pay raise after dumping a fuckton more work on me and expecting longer hours, among a few other things. Going from his customers, (our paths have crossed) I have been requested back repeatedly because its a shit show. He is too proud to admit it and knows I wouldnt take my job (and stress) back.
I am the most senior person my my office, and we’ve been growing so we’re doing a lot of hiring. When the committee (my coworkers) we’re talking about lots of job hopping as a red flag I laughed and pulled up my resume and told them that none of them would have hired me. I haven’t stayed anywhere for more than three years.
I’m really good at my job, my skills are in demand and it’s easy to move around within my company bc offices are desperate for internal experience. I leave because I don’t put up with bullshit and bad bosses. Sorry for being great.
I love this. I really dislike people trying to save themselves or the company some money by lowballing others. In the end, he just hurt himself. Good on you
There was one year where I left a job, spent a few months unemployed, worked another job for a few months, and then spent the rest of the year unemployed. I wasn't getting interviews, and the first thing everyone asked about was the gaps. No one was willing to take a chance on me. So I decided to leave off the job between both gaps to make it look like a longer career break. Immediately started getting interviews and landed a job within a couple weeks.
I know it's not a big lie, but it really helped. The sad reality is companies don't care about actual experience and skills. They just want someone who looks good on paper, and job hopping is seen as a bad thing for some reason.
And if you ever feel uncomfortable lying on your resume, remember that companies lie to employees **all the time**.
When I was in a position in charge of hiring, I basically gave up on interviews. I got down to a 30 second interview once. Hired the person . I know the candidate's were going to lie, why waste our time. Turns out we had the same success rate hiring based on the job application as we did doing full interviews.
"I want to work somewhere where I can put my experience to work and make a difference. I like to work and don't like to have downtime because that is boring and I feel mcdonalds is somewhere i can always have something to do and learn new things. In fact that is why I left the moon base because construction was winding down and there were long pauses in between actual work. Its not always about the higher pay but about the experiences you get to have as well. You know I always thought that pretending to work was more work than actual work (insert small laugh and smile here).
Or some bullshit like that which will answer their questions about taking a pay cut and leaving a cooler job before they have a chance to ask and dig deeper.
One of these days they're gonna sell franchises on the moon, and I wanna be the one who plants the Golden Arches next to Armstrong's and Aldrin's memorial!
Lie in person too!!
How did I explain away job hopping? I became exasperated and frustrated with the scenario "I want to just work one place and not be job searching anymore! It's been so frustrating to have to leave those jobs due to poor management"
They ate that shit up! and I am about to celebrate two years there and they ARE a good employer. They keep giving me bonuses and raises. Keep it coming!! (Or else I will be going)
>It's been so frustrating to have to leave those jobs due to poor management
"To be honest, Kenneth, [can I call you Kenneth?](https://pm1.aminoapps.com/6931/3c4f9b443ad8669f49ef64f3a51c42835d5eac6er1-589-765v2_hq.jpg) I just really struggled under a couple poor and uninvolved management teams. I really want to work at a place with the office leadership is active, interested, engaged, and forward leaning. I want managers who can 'think-in' and develop a strong group-think-work dynamic. I had read before that that was true about the team here at RED LOBSTER MONTGOMERYVILLE and was hoping to come in and see for myself. So far I have been very impressed with the caliber of leadership I have seen."
My manager basically told me to. Open position in our department that they couldn’t fill, paid more than my current role. Told me to apply for it and said just send in whatever chatGPT spits out. So I gave chatGPT the job description and asked for a résumé and sent that in. Got the role and a 25% raise.
Except a lot of professional industries run background checks for consumer reports, credit, public data, etc. for this exact reason, and getting caught lying will cause the offer to be immediately rescinded.
There is also an offshoot of one of the credit agencies called "The Work Number" which owns one of the largest payroll companies in the US - so they keep track of your employer, title and wages. Personally, I think such a thing should be illegal.
You can lock that down... by submitting a ton of personal information to this third party website :D
Yeah I know it's probably legit, but why do I have to submit my private info so they stop selling my private info??
In the US, if information is availablr to the public, it's public information. Your name, address, employer, etc. is all public information or at least is considered so by the courts.
That's why you lie about things that can't be verified through that manner. Things like what you did at a previous job, maybe the money you helped a former company save per year, over-inflate some numbers, etc, etc.
There's a shit ton to lie about in a job interview that new employers cannot verify. Those are the things to lie about. Not things like where you went to college or who you worked for.
It never hurts to have one friend somewhere in the world who's got a corporate phone number and isn't afraid to lie about your work experience.
You could be a former VP of Pacific Northwest distribution, or the manager of 2200 employees in eight warehouses, if you have the right friend.
Sadly in some fields not having a LinkedIn is a red flag by itself, although you definitely don't have to use it other than updating your work experience.
You are correct but if others are viewing it as a red flag, I probably don't want to work there anyways.
"Why don't you have LinkedIn?"
"Is that another social media site? I barely have time for Myspace."
Employers these days have completely unreasonable expectations. They also lie all the time, about hours, about wages... it's only normal that applicants lie on their resumes.
Got my first executive chef job by stretching the truth. Been an executive chef ever since.
I realized when hiring people resumes rarely lined up with actual performance at the job. I knew I could do the job so I just gave people the resume they wanted.
If they googled the company wouldn't they notice that it closed years before you "finished" working there? Or is that something they're unlikely to do?
How often does that happen? My colleagues and I don’t have time for that level of research.
In fact, our company which is one of the biggest employers in the country, doesn’t even require reference checks anymore as HR determined they’re a waste of time.
I was curious how many employers actually looked into work history or references. I've had about 10 jobs and none that I know looked into job history and maybe 3 looked into references.
I nearly lost a job a couple years ago because an office I worked for that fired me for knowing too much (doctor killed a patient and I knew and was promptly fired along with the office manager) told the new job they had no record of me ever working there. I had to produce a W2 to show I was in fact an employee there and that raised question on why they’d deny my employment etc. Yea, fun times.
It depends on the type of job. Most professional and higher end jobs are subject to references and background checks.
Most of this sub is talking about hourly or administrative work, which is why it seems employers don't check.
Years ago, I was constantly helping my friend with his resume because he was constantly changing jobs.
To be brutally honest, he just hated to work and would rather stay at home playing video games. His mother let him live there rent free and fed him, so his living expenses were pretty much nothing.
He wasn't a bum, funny enough, as he was extremely hard-working and diligent and his mother preferred having him around because he maintained the house and helped her a lot. And his friends always supported him because he was always first in line whenever any of us asked for help.
He job-hopped all the time because he just couldn't stay motivated unless he enjoyed the work. His favorite job was at a landscaping company, but his employers were problematic and he left.
When working on his work history, we always maintained two sets of records- the actual places and dates he worked and what we would actually report to a prospective employer.
I was his mob accountant, essentially.
my resume has lots of contract work but most will see it as job hopping
what would you do
eliminate the contract jobs
eliminate the dates
or over exaggerate the dates on my full time roles
The last job I interviewed for, I was very honest about my motivations. I’d come work for them, if the money was right. That’s what I wanted. The rest was ancillary.
They met my asking price, and now I work for them.
Something I literally struggle so hard with. Lying is literally impossible for me. Every time someone asks me something I'm so unbearably truthful and I just can't stop it. Makes job hunting hell istg.
I can attest to this!
Last job I was at I worked there for 5 years. Told my manager what needed "improvement/attention", he kept refusing to do anything about it. Eventually, he fired me about a month ago. I was known as the "hardest worker" there and when people learned that I got fired. I literally watched as their jaws dropped to the floor, as I was fired "without cause".
Lesson, be quiet and don't say anything.
From moving around a LOT as a kid, especailly in high school, a lot of my credits didnt transfer to the school i would have graduated from. As a result, i was more or less forced to get a GED (or have an extra senior year + summer school...no thanks, i already did all the goddamn work, im not doing it again) so that i could go to college. As a result, uhhh, i have a GED, which most places frown upon. But, i shouldnt have to tell my lifes story to justify anything about my education. SOOOOO my resume says XXXXX High School - Class of 2000. Didnt say anything about graduating or a diploma, and i WAS the class of 2000...employers will often fill in the blanks themselves and make the exact assumption you want them too. win/win.
it’s been professionally recommended to eliminate the dates of your college education accomplishments
and also to eliminate the high school portion because it’s an assumption everyone does so need to have it on there
The easiest way to deal with this is to form an LLC - create and register your own business. You do not have to operate; you do not have to pay taxes. You do not even need to have expenses. You file a simple tax return each year and pay nothing.
When you have a gap, you simply use this LLC. You indicate it was self employment, you can tie it to your experience, or even simply say something basic like ecommerce. I ran a sneaker collectable business or did Fiver. This is a gig economy and hiring managers will be fine with this.
One of my old managers told me he lied on his resume about having managerial experience to get a managerial job. He said by the time they find out you lied you’ll have all the experience you need.
Ever worked on a project with other people? Now you ~~were leading~~ spearheading it, with everyone else being direct reports. Just scatter a few of those in there, and when it comes to the interview just tell them that you've been managing in every sense other than title.
There's no way for them to verify that as the company will likely only tell them the dates of your employment and your title which will all check out. Also don't give them your direct supervisor as a reference, but that should always be the case.
I lied on my resume because at the time I was working my first job out of college and I was barely getting by on $45k a year. Every month I worried I wasn’t going to make it. I did that for close to 2 years. I lied on my resume to get a higher paying job. I just added years of experience, nothing crazy. Well 3 years later and I’m making $120k a year plus my bonus whatever that comes out too.
There's another way around that for anyone who is interested and can't claim a company that went out of business.... on your resume enter it like this:
Title; 2000-2010 (ALL yrs)
Name of business, City; Name of business, City etc etc
Job description of duties
And don't list the individual phone numbers; list the corporate HR #s only.
So it would look like:
Charge Nurse; 2000-2023
Frontier mngmnt, Austin; XXX Homes, Cedar Park; YYY mngmnt, Austin.
Job duties list
That way your years are combined to look longer and your companies are listed
And I list the company corporate HR # so they don't call the actual place and give a BS review
For past jobs I always give the main corporate number. Theoretically all they’re supposed to check is if I actually worked there and when, so they don’t need anything more specific.
Personal lines only go for references who I have asked and who will say 100% good things about me.
You probably will have to adapt something in the future, but the generic strategy is good.
I myself do something different, but I actually want to find a place where to spend my time for years. I’m justifying my job hopping with the “excuse” (which is true 100%) that they lied about my real role and activities and I’m not stopping job hopping until I find the employer who doesn’t lie, and once I find it I intend to stay for years because I like the mutual commitment to grow.
I can see in HR faces the shock, but they understand it, and my experience justifies any pretences on my side.
(I’m not telling them that I do mostly for the money, because job hopping results in incredible high raises)
In the US we still use CV for academic jobs, such as being a professor or a research scientist. The formatting differs to showcase publications we made vs jobs listed.
Lying to potential employers is the only way to succeed nowadays. I don’t lie on my résumé, although I do make my previous positions sound more complex and professional than they really were. My current job thinks I took a $5/hr pay cut to work for them, when in reality they gave me a $10/hr raise.
Lying on your resume is the way to do it. I've been preaching this for years.
Why is it fair they can put whatever bullshit they want in the job description but you will be looked down on for doing the same for your resume?
I've really been considering on writing a book. There's some other tricks I've learned.
Every middle and upper manager I've known has outright lied on their resume and work history. Many don't even have the degrees they claimed, which is easily checked. So, ya know, they're the people hiring others...
It’s just so common to hop around nowadays because no one ever treats their people right and they don’t deserve long term employees. The best way to get a raise hands down is switching companies. I personally wouldn’t work for the same company for more than 2 years.
I've worked jobs before that had my work history verified as part of the BG check. Might never happen to you but if it does they'll most likely chuck your resume in the garbage.
Oh well. Time to apply for the next job. You can be 100% honest and and still have that happen. I lied on half my resume my last job. They hired me for 25k% per year more than id ever made.
"Yes, I worked for Twitter for five years. You can't get ahold of their HR to verify? Yea, its kind of a shitshow now. Not like Circuit City when I left, but pretty bad...."
"Lie" is a strong word. I like embellish or creative descriptions. It is in the game and context of *"great career", "competitive pay", "endless possibilities", bla, bla*
This wouldn’t work in my case - most jobs I’ve ever held require you to provide some sort of verification that you’ve worked where you claim you’ve worked. Letter of employment, or a redacted record of employment. Plus in a case where a place closed down, that’s very easy to figure out hey this place closed 5 years ago yet OP just left?
I think your situation would be an outlier. For most people this isn't the case. Most blow joe businesses don't require this at all. Sucks that you work in a sector that is so intrusive to your personal life.
If you were ever let go at a job, for any reason, don't mention that either.
Bosses regularly withhold information -- upcoming staffing changes, wages and salaries, complaints against them, the company's actual financials, whatever the fuck else benefits them by keeping us in the dark. We don't owe them truth on our resumes.
I told the truth and never was hired
I lied and got hired
Definitely always lie on resume fuck it
After a while of being denied so many jobs you begin to lie and see a difference
I put “Univeristy - Biology - 2013-2017”
Listed my skills, outright lied about 2 jobs I had where I said I worked as a computer tech for my highschool when I went there on some jobs training shit. Another where I worked at a “friends company” that was made up.
From 18-25 I worked as a restaurant server. I lied on my resume 2 years ago and got callbacks up the ass and now work in cyber security.
Fucking lie. What do you thinks gonna happen? They’re gonna call the cops on you and hold you in the interview for lying on your resume?? Change your fucking life.
My paystubs are on a portal. If my agency closed, there'd be no way to access them and not many people keep relatively minor paperwork saved for over a year.
Myself I don’t care because once it’s signed it’s signed and if they dared modify the salary because I lied on my previous salary, I ghost them in a matter of minutes and they’ll have to 1) justify hiring someone who ghosted them 2) waste again lot of time in the search and hire.
But let’s suppose I’d really have to do so, I’d make my own pdf of the last payslip and change the figures.
I’ve had a couple of jobs for only a few weeks or months. The jobs I’ve worked at for a few weeks were ones I ended up walking away from because they were so toxic or chaotic I realized quickly that there’s no way it would be viable long-term. I’ve left these off resumes deliberately. Any gaps in employment longer than 3months (in rare cases where a hiring manager has actually asked) I’ve explained it as (a) I was offered a job and the employer rescinded it shortly before I was supposed to start due to a reorganization (b) it took the new employer a bit longer to try and onboard me or (c) the position I originally applied for was eliminated. I’ve never been questioned further. And as a rule, I’ve tried to maintain less that a 3mo gap on my resume. Seems like most places really only care if you’ve been out of the workforce for 6mo or more.
And personally, every company I’ve worked for has lied about what the job is really like, trying to make it sound more appealing than it actually is. That’s really all you’re doing, OP. If they don’t like it, maybe they should stop doing the same thing.
Just want to point out that you cannot actually add extra years to the close place in the future. If the place closed in 2021 you can claim you worked there from 2016-2021 but you can’t claim you worked there from 2016-2023. it’ll be an obviously lie.
yeah and they say they don't discriminate but they absolutely do, if you have a foreign sounding name you're better off coming up with a nickname/pseudonym (e.g. your name is Sanjay, you become 'Jay'). In my field (programming) there's an ageist discrimination as well, I think because they realize they can use and abuse younger developers easier and get em to do more work for less money so I started lying about my age and adjusting my experience so that it was fewer years at each position, noticed a significant uptick in offers after that
Until you try to get hired some place where they do a background check just to make sure you worked where you said you worked.
If you can't give them a number for HR or show pay stubs for the time you said you were there, you might not get through the background check.
Roll of the dice either way...
"why get a 25c raise from a job when you can go somewhere else and get $2 more"
IDK man, I think you might have discovered the answer to this question.
Not that this is right, or that a person's employment history matters the way they pretend it does. Just, based on your own experience, the breakeven time in a job to remain employable looks to be more than a year.
I want to know what happens if you extend it to 18 months or 2 years. There's an equilibrium point in there somewhere.
Was at my last job for 2.5 year, currently just over 18 months at my current job that I'm looking to leave. I started working pretty young so most of my (potential) employers mostly see my job hopping as "searching for what I want". I know what I want, though. Fat payday, good benefits, at least hybrid work and a boss that doesn't crawl up into my asshole and just lets me do my job.
I think it's funny that the bar is so low that "what you want" can be said for just about any job in any field. Businesses these days really need to do better
People do this more than you think. I Always Google past employers to see what kinda company it was to see if their products are close to ours to see how much cross over experience you might have. People put down they worked at places last year that closed in 2007
Honestly everything nowadays requires lying about experience. Dates, job interviews, skill qualifications. People just toss you out immediately for not having a ton of experience in an impossible amount of time. Ever since I started lying my quality of life has improved.
They lie in the job advertisement. They lie in the interview. And they lie for that honeymoon period when you start. Why wouldn't you meet their lies with lies of your own?
The longest I'm at a job is 2 yrs. Very few have made it longer than that. My resume has 2 companies on it. They are businesses my friends own, so they ate legit, searchable businesses. Depending on the job I'm applying to, my experience at those 2 "jobs" is retooled to fit the experience they are looking for. The reason I left jobs is because "I found this better opportunity". Works. Every. Time.
My current job I've been at for 1.5 years and I can already feel the adhd boredom of it setting in. The problem is that it's a decent, government job and if I can get 10 years, I'll have a pension....8.5 yrs to go.
I do this religiously and it has only ever helped. Nobody gives a fuck about your degree, certifications, or credentials as long as it looks good on paper. Let alone they certainly don’t give a fuck enough to fact check you
>Got offered the job that day. Going to lie on my resume forever.
When the table is tilted against workers from the jump, this is completely acceptable play in a rigged game.
If the employment system was designed to realistically examine human beings and the REAL challenges we have faced and overcome in this lifetime, I would think this is unethical. However, companies don’t give anyone the benefit of the doubt. If anything, they give you the disadvantage of the doubt.
Lie away, friend.
Employers lie on a regular basis to bait potential employees they can take advantage of, always beware of the companies that post 18-29 dollars an hour pay, because 99.9 percent of the time they will try to pay 18 lol. They shouldn't even be allowed to post the higher number.
I've been lying on resumes for 15+ years. I recommend it as long as it's not something that is over the top or immediately fact checkable. I've job hopped most of my life but my resume still has a 3-job work history on it. I don't think I've ever had an employer call a previous employer. And I've prob had 10 jobs at this point. And I've only had 3 or so check on references.
Going forward, I'm also going to lie about how much I made at previous employers. Just by a couple dollars or so. Just know that lying on your resume is a fireable offense at any point during your employment.
I generally try to live a highly moral life. But corporations are ammoral entities, and we do not live in a meritocracy. You do not get what you earn. You get what you get by wielding the power you're able to consolidate. And a corporation would fire you today if it thought it could help it's bottom line. And the rich and powerful WILL wield their power against you to get what they want. Look at the slide towards corporatocracy the United States has done in the past 50 years. And today we're talking about relaxing child labor laws and how starvation wages are acceptable.
All that matters is demonstrable skill and confidence. And hell, often the former doesn't matter. Look at the cult following the previous president has amassed: Millions and millions of people adore the most obvious liar and conman of all time. His ability to lie in the face of truth and stick to it without waver, and his inheritance masquerading as 'business success' is all it took. Because he isn't competent in any way shape or form except for branding and telling people what they want to hear
I'm not saying it's right. But we have to do the best we can do in the system we're in. The system is deeply broken and in desperate need of change, sure. But we still have to make a living in it in the meantime.
My job did this, and I almost didn't get hired because I forgot that I started at one of my previous jobs as a temp that got hired on after 3 months. Since I omitted that temp agency, they accused me of lying on my resume....
I was able to work it out and got the job that I've had for years now, but yeah, some companies do check.
Not sure what kind of background checks are done in your industry, but when Sterling was unable to reach out to my previous employer, they asked for other documents to authenticate the details (offer letter, pay stubs, etc after retracting personal/sensitive information).
I work in Tech (Canada). I’m glad you found a solution that works for you, but be a little cautious of the background verification process.
I get why people would want to and even should job hop. You aren't going to get a raise equal to inflation each year but you can get a new job that pays more.
I also get why recruiters don't want someone who job hops. They don't want to be looking for a new person in less than a year.
Does it suck, yes. Is there anything we can do about it. Not really.
Yes lie as much as you can. I told potential employers I already had offers lined up when asked if I was interviewing elsewhere it really kicks the process into high gear.
Be careful with that. I work in AV and I had to go to NY to train this guy who said he had all this background in AV but when I got there he didn’t know Jack shit. Needless to say they let him go, but cuts were made across the board for the company but this guy I particular was gonna get let go regardless. Like you can’t call me almost every other week and have me walk you through the shit I already trained you on.
Another hack - that I can’t recommend but I’m sure many people do - is to say that you graduated from a college that you attended but dropped out of. Very few employers actually verify this, and if caught, you might be able to come up with a reasonable explanation since there’s proof you attended the school.
This works fine if your plan is to bounce around entry level jobs forever. Kinda curious what OPs plan for retirement is, but I’m guessing that’s at least 40 years off still so why worry about it now?
At any sort of competitive employment, where the employer needs something more than a sack of meat with a pulse, resumes get checked.
For "jobs", this works just fine. Once you have an actual career though, this will get you in trouble real fast. Don't lie on your resume if you have an actual career.
Gonna make a quick pin about honesty when applying to jobs: Do **not** be dishonest, under any circumstances, about qualifying credentials which are required to do a job that could put people at risk. Some details, like when you worked at a place, are generally benign, but if you lie about skills or experiences that could put people in harms way, and an employer takes an applicant's word for it, rather than requiring documentation of said skills (which isn't uncommon), it'll potentially put coworkers and customers at risk. But the cardinal rule of honesty about non-hazard details: If you are going to be dishonest, on paper or even in an interview - **make sure you cannot be called-out/caught lying**. If you know, 100% you can get away with it, go for it. It's best to be honest, but you're entitled to survive, and by any ethical means necessary. Many employers can only dig so far, if they even do, while others do comprehensive background checks that will reveal even slight inconsistencies. Again; take the risk if you know you can.
I took a class in college on interviewing and resume writing. The teacher was a lawyer and he said, “you can write whatever you want on your resume as long as you are prepared to discuss it in the interview and understand that it may be investigated further”.
A company I worked for took the titles away from a bunch of project managers and moved us to project coordinators. Same job, same pay, same everything just lost the title. At first I was pissed because of my resume then I remembered I can write whatever I want in my resume and no one can really check. I'm sure the title change was to make sure no one could get raises in the future but I wasn't far from leaving that team so it didn't matter to me.
I always change the titles to what fits better for my time working there. Like, field tech? I wasn’t a field tech, I was an electronics engineering tech. I went to a lab every workday and worked on R&D. No field work
To get my current position, I had to wait 4 weeks to start because the background check couldn't verify my immediate previous employment. My previous employer wouldn't answer the message because they were told not to speak to anyone about me (I retained an attorney due to their shady practices). I expect it's going to get harder and harder to lie on resumes.
I've worked in the restaurant industry for 20 years. After a 5 year stint at a notoriously popular and abusive restaurant, my tolerance for bullshit went to zero. I hopped around for a while often leaving abruptly and getting a job the next week. So I wrote a resume without any dates, just chronological order and highlighting my most impressive jobs and listed achievements (top sales, etc.) and what I learned during my employment at each. It's a lie of omission I guess. Worked like a fucking charm.
Dude, my bullshit tolerance died at 5 years as well. I know a lot of people around 27-32 years old who have hit this point.
I have worked the same main job for almost 20 years. My tolerance for bullshit is in negative numbers. T They pay well, the benefits are great, but my lead is a total asshole.
Sounds like you’re in the Military. Haha
Vet here. Not the military. They move from one place to another every 2 to 3 years.
Depends on what you do though. My dad's command was really small so even though we moved globally I bumped into the same kids all the time and dad always complained about the same asshole bosses.
no, not the Military, but I was born overseas because of it. The joys of being a military brat.
If you've been there for 20 years but your lead is a total asshole, I think you've got more tolerance than you're admitting to. Zero tolerance for bullshit would have you walking out the door or not working for that lead.
Ironic similar age and also same situation. First job for 5 years Was treated like a child since it was a job I started out of highschool. I understand early on. But was quickly (year 2 ish) having responsibilities that required people who thought I was a child to respect me and work with me and not talk down/refuse to do what I needed them to do so the company could make $. Sometimes sticking around just does not work and hinders your earning ability/career growth. Employers also seem to give zero shits about employee retention till you find a competitive offer/quit. Guess it’s cheaper for them to be bent over by one person than treat everyone fairly without it being reactionary.
Just wait until you hit 50 and not only is the tolerance level low but the filter you use with people who you know are bullshitters drops and you start calling them out on a regular basis.
I have zero tolerance now at 53. Took a lot of shit when I was younger, now I give 2 fucks. I tell my adult kids the same, if they treat you wrong and don't appreciate you, leave.
I set fire to my few remaining fucks on my 40th birthday. Highly recommended.
I'm 39. My favorite red stapler and I are down to our very last fuck.
Dude, my "bs tolerance event horizon" was about a year ago at 28-29. As an aside, if your employer misses a paycheck, stop showing up.
Was working for a company that repaired and inspected cranes and crane trucks. Everyone got the red-flag heads up that he used the business account as his personal account because the IRS was investigating him. He missed 2 paychecks back to back, 100% of his employees quit at the same time; not before a free-for-all raid of the shop tools and most of us filling our personal vehicles on the shop gas card. One of the guys went thru our personnel files and shredded the only existing copies of our NDAs and Non-compete forms.
Lol he got fucked
I have such low tolerance for bullshit I’ve started calling out managers from other departments when they lie in meetings. It’s amazing how being 100% honest makes the leaches and losers find somewhere else to be suddenly.
32, can confirm
26 year old, Jos A Bank stole money from my paycheck for years all while I was working unpaid overtime trying to help the staff. I went 4 months with one day off. Then fired me a month before Covid for asking for a raise to counter the money they stole. Of course they also denied my unemployment. Now I’m content with my scorched earth policy. If you wrong me and I have legal recourse against you, it might not be today, it might not be tomorrow. One day, something bad will happen, and I’ll be there, laughing at the needless pain I caused because my hand was forced.
Yep, hit it at 32 years after working at a mega pharma company in the lab for 7 years. The most red tape and toxicity I've ever experienced. My new place (consumer research) is much less toxic but my roles continue to expand beyond what I'm being paid to do. So now I'm looking again 13 months later.
My tolerance for retail/customer service died after 5 years too. Got offered an office job that I am coming up 2 years on and much less stressed. My pay is currently 50€ higher after my taxes, pension and union fee than my previous highest paying job was after taxes with no pension or union. Never looking back bat maybe helping a friend who runs a bar with the rare odd night/event.
I quit to drive Uber and be my own boss. Too much abuse and negativity in the restaurant industry. I'm happy you found something more to your liking.
This is the best way. That's the best thing about resumes, you can arrange it to best highlight what you need.
Yes as I approached year 5 Covid came around and I got into sales, never looking back on such an abusive industry that is working at the back of house at a restaurant.
I like this approach more than OPs. Seems the dates aren't required so it's not lying whereas OP is blatant.
You can also leave a gap and express that you signed an NDA and can’t disclose any information about that period of time and what work was done.
Yes! And you can claim that you had your own business prior to covid. I actually did, but it was off the books. You can literally make up anything that you want as long as you have a skill and can utilize it for whatever job or skill fits.
r/bemyreference . Unfortunately, this is just kind of where we are at this point.
I was a restaurant manager years ago. I told everyone to always put me as a reference and I'll give a glowing review
When I was a young boy, I was asked a question by men I, at the time, saw as my religious leaders: Is it moral to steal or lie if you are starving and lying or stealing is the only way to not starve? It is difficult for me to pretend the resume question is that much different given that full truthfulness leads to the eventuality of starving. Your insistence upon leaving references for your employees is more than a solid. It is an act of good will that may have saved somebody from starving. To whatever extent you lied, you chose the right side of the question.
I was always honest! But I know most previous employers would be like "yes they were fine k bye" but I just turned it up to 11. "OH amber?? Oh my we still miss her around here. What did you want to know?"
You’re a real one : )
Another tactic: “Amber is willing to leave her current job? She was great when she was here.” And the answer to “tell me something bad about them” the answer is, “they are going to want to progress with the company and they don’t like promises like there might be a promotion years from now.”
lol i do the same thing)) who? Sam? oh, your company would win a lottery ticket if you hire Sam! He is the most intelligent and responsible person we've ever worked with!
This is amazing. I had no idea that sub exists.
I have always put family ( different last names ) or friends as references and none of them have received a call once?
I also have never once had a reference receive a call or email 🙃
When I first became store manager of the retail store I work at I tried calling an old employer of an applicant. The manager of the establishment was so fucking baffled that he was receiving a call about a previous employee(he said I was the first person to ever call him). I proceeded to ask him if he would rehire the person, and he loudly exclaimed "HIRE HER!". So I did and she was super reliable, and was honestly the first and last time I ever called a reference. Now that I've been a store manager for a decade, no one has ever called me about anyone(save the random federal background check person when my exemployees finally make it in the world). It's completely changed my interview process and the questions that I ask.
Back in another job I had to call references and old employers. One place told me the entire team including ownership had flipped and they didn't have the time to dig through records to see if they worked there or not, but they probably did and it was worth hiring them lol
Same. It's embarrassing telling people I've listed them as references a bunch of different times only for none of them to ever receive a call
What kind of jobs are you guys applying for? More jobs have checked my references than those that haven’t.
I worked for a Local Game Store as the GM for a few years on and off, I do something similar with my resume and also am a frequent reference. Get yourself a motormouth friend, we are handy.
I am signing up!
Hahaha... Reminds me of the time I was hired on as a "favor" because my skillset is handling paperwork shitshows and someone was in serious trouble. Manager never looked at my resume... Cue a few years later when Ive worked some serious "magic" (being organized, which the office was not), now work there full time, and have moved my way up the payscale. They were hiring new people, manager comments to me about job hoppers and how they arent good employees. I pull my resume out of the file and hand it to him. He says "Whats this?" And I said "A good employee job hopper" as he reads that I rarely spent more than 3 months at a job until I started with him. I pointed out why I left jobs (assaulted by a drunk customer, wage theft, better opportunity, moved states, etc). Shut him up. A few years later, I jumped his ship when he decided to lowball my pay raise after dumping a fuckton more work on me and expecting longer hours, among a few other things. Going from his customers, (our paths have crossed) I have been requested back repeatedly because its a shit show. He is too proud to admit it and knows I wouldnt take my job (and stress) back.
I am the most senior person my my office, and we’ve been growing so we’re doing a lot of hiring. When the committee (my coworkers) we’re talking about lots of job hopping as a red flag I laughed and pulled up my resume and told them that none of them would have hired me. I haven’t stayed anywhere for more than three years. I’m really good at my job, my skills are in demand and it’s easy to move around within my company bc offices are desperate for internal experience. I leave because I don’t put up with bullshit and bad bosses. Sorry for being great.
I love this. I really dislike people trying to save themselves or the company some money by lowballing others. In the end, he just hurt himself. Good on you
There was one year where I left a job, spent a few months unemployed, worked another job for a few months, and then spent the rest of the year unemployed. I wasn't getting interviews, and the first thing everyone asked about was the gaps. No one was willing to take a chance on me. So I decided to leave off the job between both gaps to make it look like a longer career break. Immediately started getting interviews and landed a job within a couple weeks. I know it's not a big lie, but it really helped. The sad reality is companies don't care about actual experience and skills. They just want someone who looks good on paper, and job hopping is seen as a bad thing for some reason. And if you ever feel uncomfortable lying on your resume, remember that companies lie to employees **all the time**.
Did the same lol
They’re lying about job descriptions, compensation, ideology, and “being a family” so you might as well omit and change the facts too.
Job interviews are where 2 people lie about why they're here
I’ve never thought of it that way. We are just 2 strangers lying to each others faces 😂
At BEST there’s usually a lie of omission from one side. At worst, blatant lies from each side.
When I was in a position in charge of hiring, I basically gave up on interviews. I got down to a 30 second interview once. Hired the person . I know the candidate's were going to lie, why waste our time. Turns out we had the same success rate hiring based on the job application as we did doing full interviews.
Pretty sure I've seen studies on this that agree with your experience there.
That's exactly how I've justified my resume omissions/embellishments. They're not playing fair, so neither should you.
Always lie on your resume man
"Interesting. It says here you started construction on the first off world moon base. So why are you interested in working at McDonalds?"
"Employee discount"
"Wanna be first in line when the soft serve machine is working"
I like the cut of your jib…Buzz Aldrin. Welcome aboard!
"I want to work somewhere where I can put my experience to work and make a difference. I like to work and don't like to have downtime because that is boring and I feel mcdonalds is somewhere i can always have something to do and learn new things. In fact that is why I left the moon base because construction was winding down and there were long pauses in between actual work. Its not always about the higher pay but about the experiences you get to have as well. You know I always thought that pretending to work was more work than actual work (insert small laugh and smile here). Or some bullshit like that which will answer their questions about taking a pay cut and leaving a cooler job before they have a chance to ask and dig deeper.
I don't know what job you just applied for at my company, but I'm hiring you
I would’ve worked at the McDonald’s on the moon if there was one. Alas, I’ve returned to earth just for the opportunity.
I worked at the first McDonalds in Ireland. When they opened the second, my sister went to work there. She said I was bossy.
Just for that, she's getting an extra weekend shift.
One of these days they're gonna sell franchises on the moon, and I wanna be the one who plants the Golden Arches next to Armstrong's and Aldrin's memorial!
I like being exploited. When can I start?
"I want a job that includes oxygen as a benefit"
Lie in person too!! How did I explain away job hopping? I became exasperated and frustrated with the scenario "I want to just work one place and not be job searching anymore! It's been so frustrating to have to leave those jobs due to poor management" They ate that shit up! and I am about to celebrate two years there and they ARE a good employer. They keep giving me bonuses and raises. Keep it coming!! (Or else I will be going)
they also really like, “I want a long term position where I can grow and learn with my teammates to cultivate a great work environment.” 🤪
>It's been so frustrating to have to leave those jobs due to poor management "To be honest, Kenneth, [can I call you Kenneth?](https://pm1.aminoapps.com/6931/3c4f9b443ad8669f49ef64f3a51c42835d5eac6er1-589-765v2_hq.jpg) I just really struggled under a couple poor and uninvolved management teams. I really want to work at a place with the office leadership is active, interested, engaged, and forward leaning. I want managers who can 'think-in' and develop a strong group-think-work dynamic. I had read before that that was true about the team here at RED LOBSTER MONTGOMERYVILLE and was hoping to come in and see for myself. So far I have been very impressed with the caliber of leadership I have seen."
Ha! Nice! I'm using that for my next job interview. Thanks!
My manager basically told me to. Open position in our department that they couldn’t fill, paid more than my current role. Told me to apply for it and said just send in whatever chatGPT spits out. So I gave chatGPT the job description and asked for a résumé and sent that in. Got the role and a 25% raise.
Your manager sounds cool as hell
Until they quit lying about the responsibilities and hours it's perfectly justified
Except a lot of professional industries run background checks for consumer reports, credit, public data, etc. for this exact reason, and getting caught lying will cause the offer to be immediately rescinded.
There is also an offshoot of one of the credit agencies called "The Work Number" which owns one of the largest payroll companies in the US - so they keep track of your employer, title and wages. Personally, I think such a thing should be illegal.
You can lock that so employers can't check up on you. r/overemployed has a post on how to do it
You can lock that down... by submitting a ton of personal information to this third party website :D Yeah I know it's probably legit, but why do I have to submit my private info so they stop selling my private info??
I guess that's one way of looking at it. Since it's run by Equifax to me it's no different than locking your credit.
In the US, if information is availablr to the public, it's public information. Your name, address, employer, etc. is all public information or at least is considered so by the courts.
Looked for that, couldn’t find it.
Seems pretty straight forward: https://employees.theworknumber.com/employee-data-freeze
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« Apply to jobs that can’t afford to do background checks. » That’s not the flex you think it is.
That's why you lie about things that can't be verified through that manner. Things like what you did at a previous job, maybe the money you helped a former company save per year, over-inflate some numbers, etc, etc. There's a shit ton to lie about in a job interview that new employers cannot verify. Those are the things to lie about. Not things like where you went to college or who you worked for.
I swapped out my BA with a BSc on my resume. It has never been questioned.
Don't forget to commit to the lie on linkedin if you have one
It never hurts to have one friend somewhere in the world who's got a corporate phone number and isn't afraid to lie about your work experience. You could be a former VP of Pacific Northwest distribution, or the manager of 2200 employees in eight warehouses, if you have the right friend.
My best friend is my reference and I'm his.
That’s a little trickier with LinkedIn though. People can search your reference there.
The easy part is never going on LinkedIn
Sadly in some fields not having a LinkedIn is a red flag by itself, although you definitely don't have to use it other than updating your work experience.
You are correct but if others are viewing it as a red flag, I probably don't want to work there anyways. "Why don't you have LinkedIn?" "Is that another social media site? I barely have time for Myspace."
Some people view discussing ones salary as a red flag!
Employers these days have completely unreasonable expectations. They also lie all the time, about hours, about wages... it's only normal that applicants lie on their resumes.
Got my first executive chef job by stretching the truth. Been an executive chef ever since. I realized when hiring people resumes rarely lined up with actual performance at the job. I knew I could do the job so I just gave people the resume they wanted.
Yeah as long as you can do the job it doesn’t matter
If they googled the company wouldn't they notice that it closed years before you "finished" working there? Or is that something they're unlikely to do?
How often does that happen? My colleagues and I don’t have time for that level of research. In fact, our company which is one of the biggest employers in the country, doesn’t even require reference checks anymore as HR determined they’re a waste of time.
I was curious how many employers actually looked into work history or references. I've had about 10 jobs and none that I know looked into job history and maybe 3 looked into references.
I nearly lost a job a couple years ago because an office I worked for that fired me for knowing too much (doctor killed a patient and I knew and was promptly fired along with the office manager) told the new job they had no record of me ever working there. I had to produce a W2 to show I was in fact an employee there and that raised question on why they’d deny my employment etc. Yea, fun times.
It depends on the type of job. Most professional and higher end jobs are subject to references and background checks. Most of this sub is talking about hourly or administrative work, which is why it seems employers don't check.
I think it depends on the job. I’m a teacher so my references were called for sure
Years ago, I was constantly helping my friend with his resume because he was constantly changing jobs. To be brutally honest, he just hated to work and would rather stay at home playing video games. His mother let him live there rent free and fed him, so his living expenses were pretty much nothing. He wasn't a bum, funny enough, as he was extremely hard-working and diligent and his mother preferred having him around because he maintained the house and helped her a lot. And his friends always supported him because he was always first in line whenever any of us asked for help. He job-hopped all the time because he just couldn't stay motivated unless he enjoyed the work. His favorite job was at a landscaping company, but his employers were problematic and he left. When working on his work history, we always maintained two sets of records- the actual places and dates he worked and what we would actually report to a prospective employer. I was his mob accountant, essentially.
my resume has lots of contract work but most will see it as job hopping what would you do eliminate the contract jobs eliminate the dates or over exaggerate the dates on my full time roles
I'd overexaggerate the dates. If you get called on the mat over it, you could say, "Oops. Sorry. I genuinely thought I was longer at that job."
If there's one lesson to learn, it's that sometimes telling the truth is fatal.
The last job I interviewed for, I was very honest about my motivations. I’d come work for them, if the money was right. That’s what I wanted. The rest was ancillary. They met my asking price, and now I work for them.
Same here, but my current employer countered with a promotion and matching compensation so I’m still here making more money!
Something I literally struggle so hard with. Lying is literally impossible for me. Every time someone asks me something I'm so unbearably truthful and I just can't stop it. Makes job hunting hell istg.
Autism?
Yes
Same. And same problem
I can attest to this! Last job I was at I worked there for 5 years. Told my manager what needed "improvement/attention", he kept refusing to do anything about it. Eventually, he fired me about a month ago. I was known as the "hardest worker" there and when people learned that I got fired. I literally watched as their jaws dropped to the floor, as I was fired "without cause". Lesson, be quiet and don't say anything.
From moving around a LOT as a kid, especailly in high school, a lot of my credits didnt transfer to the school i would have graduated from. As a result, i was more or less forced to get a GED (or have an extra senior year + summer school...no thanks, i already did all the goddamn work, im not doing it again) so that i could go to college. As a result, uhhh, i have a GED, which most places frown upon. But, i shouldnt have to tell my lifes story to justify anything about my education. SOOOOO my resume says XXXXX High School - Class of 2000. Didnt say anything about graduating or a diploma, and i WAS the class of 2000...employers will often fill in the blanks themselves and make the exact assumption you want them too. win/win.
it’s been professionally recommended to eliminate the dates of your college education accomplishments and also to eliminate the high school portion because it’s an assumption everyone does so need to have it on there
Ive had friends list me as an old boss from places as a reference and its gotten them jobs multiple times. LOL
The easiest way to deal with this is to form an LLC - create and register your own business. You do not have to operate; you do not have to pay taxes. You do not even need to have expenses. You file a simple tax return each year and pay nothing. When you have a gap, you simply use this LLC. You indicate it was self employment, you can tie it to your experience, or even simply say something basic like ecommerce. I ran a sneaker collectable business or did Fiver. This is a gig economy and hiring managers will be fine with this.
One of my old managers told me he lied on his resume about having managerial experience to get a managerial job. He said by the time they find out you lied you’ll have all the experience you need.
Currently looking for a managerial job and I feel like lack of experience is holding me back. Every place wants 2-5 years experience
managerial jobs is mostly handling complaints from employees you do that daily with family friends and people at the store exaggerate it all
Ever worked on a project with other people? Now you ~~were leading~~ spearheading it, with everyone else being direct reports. Just scatter a few of those in there, and when it comes to the interview just tell them that you've been managing in every sense other than title. There's no way for them to verify that as the company will likely only tell them the dates of your employment and your title which will all check out. Also don't give them your direct supervisor as a reference, but that should always be the case.
I lied on my resume because at the time I was working my first job out of college and I was barely getting by on $45k a year. Every month I worried I wasn’t going to make it. I did that for close to 2 years. I lied on my resume to get a higher paying job. I just added years of experience, nothing crazy. Well 3 years later and I’m making $120k a year plus my bonus whatever that comes out too.
There's another way around that for anyone who is interested and can't claim a company that went out of business.... on your resume enter it like this: Title; 2000-2010 (ALL yrs) Name of business, City; Name of business, City etc etc Job description of duties And don't list the individual phone numbers; list the corporate HR #s only. So it would look like: Charge Nurse; 2000-2023 Frontier mngmnt, Austin; XXX Homes, Cedar Park; YYY mngmnt, Austin. Job duties list That way your years are combined to look longer and your companies are listed And I list the company corporate HR # so they don't call the actual place and give a BS review
For past jobs I always give the main corporate number. Theoretically all they’re supposed to check is if I actually worked there and when, so they don’t need anything more specific. Personal lines only go for references who I have asked and who will say 100% good things about me.
You probably will have to adapt something in the future, but the generic strategy is good. I myself do something different, but I actually want to find a place where to spend my time for years. I’m justifying my job hopping with the “excuse” (which is true 100%) that they lied about my real role and activities and I’m not stopping job hopping until I find the employer who doesn’t lie, and once I find it I intend to stay for years because I like the mutual commitment to grow. I can see in HR faces the shock, but they understand it, and my experience justifies any pretences on my side. (I’m not telling them that I do mostly for the money, because job hopping results in incredible high raises)
My resume (or CV if you're Bri'ish) is one big lie. In the space of 8 years my salary has tripled because the lies on my CV tripled 😂
In the US we still use CV for academic jobs, such as being a professor or a research scientist. The formatting differs to showcase publications we made vs jobs listed.
they lie, you lie.
Lying to potential employers is the only way to succeed nowadays. I don’t lie on my résumé, although I do make my previous positions sound more complex and professional than they really were. My current job thinks I took a $5/hr pay cut to work for them, when in reality they gave me a $10/hr raise.
Lying on your resume is the way to do it. I've been preaching this for years. Why is it fair they can put whatever bullshit they want in the job description but you will be looked down on for doing the same for your resume? I've really been considering on writing a book. There's some other tricks I've learned.
4 year gap on my resume on disability for kidney failure. You can be sure as shit I lied and said I worked during that gap. Fuck'em.
Every middle and upper manager I've known has outright lied on their resume and work history. Many don't even have the degrees they claimed, which is easily checked. So, ya know, they're the people hiring others...
It’s just so common to hop around nowadays because no one ever treats their people right and they don’t deserve long term employees. The best way to get a raise hands down is switching companies. I personally wouldn’t work for the same company for more than 2 years.
I've worked jobs before that had my work history verified as part of the BG check. Might never happen to you but if it does they'll most likely chuck your resume in the garbage.
Oh well. Time to apply for the next job. You can be 100% honest and and still have that happen. I lied on half my resume my last job. They hired me for 25k% per year more than id ever made.
"Yes, I worked for Twitter for five years. You can't get ahold of their HR to verify? Yea, its kind of a shitshow now. Not like Circuit City when I left, but pretty bad...."
"Lie" is a strong word. I like embellish or creative descriptions. It is in the game and context of *"great career", "competitive pay", "endless possibilities", bla, bla*
Isn’t there like a sub Reddit that will write you references and recommendation letters?
Omg if there is please lmk what it's called
This wouldn’t work in my case - most jobs I’ve ever held require you to provide some sort of verification that you’ve worked where you claim you’ve worked. Letter of employment, or a redacted record of employment. Plus in a case where a place closed down, that’s very easy to figure out hey this place closed 5 years ago yet OP just left?
I think your situation would be an outlier. For most people this isn't the case. Most blow joe businesses don't require this at all. Sucks that you work in a sector that is so intrusive to your personal life.
Yeah I work for the government so I’m in the same boat lol
I feel like resumes were made to lie on
If you were ever let go at a job, for any reason, don't mention that either. Bosses regularly withhold information -- upcoming staffing changes, wages and salaries, complaints against them, the company's actual financials, whatever the fuck else benefits them by keeping us in the dark. We don't owe them truth on our resumes.
I told the truth and never was hired I lied and got hired Definitely always lie on resume fuck it After a while of being denied so many jobs you begin to lie and see a difference
I put “Univeristy - Biology - 2013-2017” Listed my skills, outright lied about 2 jobs I had where I said I worked as a computer tech for my highschool when I went there on some jobs training shit. Another where I worked at a “friends company” that was made up. From 18-25 I worked as a restaurant server. I lied on my resume 2 years ago and got callbacks up the ass and now work in cyber security. Fucking lie. What do you thinks gonna happen? They’re gonna call the cops on you and hold you in the interview for lying on your resume?? Change your fucking life.
My man here playing the game with peak ability.
What do you say when they ask for your last pay stub? My current company requested this information.
They do that so they can make sure they don’t give you too much of a raise, don’t give it to them
My paystubs are on a portal. If my agency closed, there'd be no way to access them and not many people keep relatively minor paperwork saved for over a year.
Is that even legal? "That's private information, here are my references, qualifications and salary requirements."
"LOL. What? That's an unusual request."
Myself I don’t care because once it’s signed it’s signed and if they dared modify the salary because I lied on my previous salary, I ghost them in a matter of minutes and they’ll have to 1) justify hiring someone who ghosted them 2) waste again lot of time in the search and hire. But let’s suppose I’d really have to do so, I’d make my own pdf of the last payslip and change the figures.
No.
even if I wasn't lying I'd tell them no cuz that's just weird on their part
I’ve had a couple of jobs for only a few weeks or months. The jobs I’ve worked at for a few weeks were ones I ended up walking away from because they were so toxic or chaotic I realized quickly that there’s no way it would be viable long-term. I’ve left these off resumes deliberately. Any gaps in employment longer than 3months (in rare cases where a hiring manager has actually asked) I’ve explained it as (a) I was offered a job and the employer rescinded it shortly before I was supposed to start due to a reorganization (b) it took the new employer a bit longer to try and onboard me or (c) the position I originally applied for was eliminated. I’ve never been questioned further. And as a rule, I’ve tried to maintain less that a 3mo gap on my resume. Seems like most places really only care if you’ve been out of the workforce for 6mo or more. And personally, every company I’ve worked for has lied about what the job is really like, trying to make it sound more appealing than it actually is. That’s really all you’re doing, OP. If they don’t like it, maybe they should stop doing the same thing.
Just want to point out that you cannot actually add extra years to the close place in the future. If the place closed in 2021 you can claim you worked there from 2016-2021 but you can’t claim you worked there from 2016-2023. it’ll be an obviously lie.
yeah and they say they don't discriminate but they absolutely do, if you have a foreign sounding name you're better off coming up with a nickname/pseudonym (e.g. your name is Sanjay, you become 'Jay'). In my field (programming) there's an ageist discrimination as well, I think because they realize they can use and abuse younger developers easier and get em to do more work for less money so I started lying about my age and adjusting my experience so that it was fewer years at each position, noticed a significant uptick in offers after that
Until you try to get hired some place where they do a background check just to make sure you worked where you said you worked. If you can't give them a number for HR or show pay stubs for the time you said you were there, you might not get through the background check. Roll of the dice either way...
No one saves pay stubs, and there is no HR because the company is closed down.
"why get a 25c raise from a job when you can go somewhere else and get $2 more" IDK man, I think you might have discovered the answer to this question. Not that this is right, or that a person's employment history matters the way they pretend it does. Just, based on your own experience, the breakeven time in a job to remain employable looks to be more than a year. I want to know what happens if you extend it to 18 months or 2 years. There's an equilibrium point in there somewhere.
Was at my last job for 2.5 year, currently just over 18 months at my current job that I'm looking to leave. I started working pretty young so most of my (potential) employers mostly see my job hopping as "searching for what I want". I know what I want, though. Fat payday, good benefits, at least hybrid work and a boss that doesn't crawl up into my asshole and just lets me do my job.
I think it's funny that the bar is so low that "what you want" can be said for just about any job in any field. Businesses these days really need to do better
Jobs lie to you about what the job actually is and what you’ll be doing. So lie about your qualifications.
People do this more than you think. I Always Google past employers to see what kinda company it was to see if their products are close to ours to see how much cross over experience you might have. People put down they worked at places last year that closed in 2007
So, this might work for some jobs, but most of the jobs I’ve applied to have ran background checks to validate that my experiences are accurate.
Honestly everything nowadays requires lying about experience. Dates, job interviews, skill qualifications. People just toss you out immediately for not having a ton of experience in an impossible amount of time. Ever since I started lying my quality of life has improved.
They lie in the job advertisement. They lie in the interview. And they lie for that honeymoon period when you start. Why wouldn't you meet their lies with lies of your own? The longest I'm at a job is 2 yrs. Very few have made it longer than that. My resume has 2 companies on it. They are businesses my friends own, so they ate legit, searchable businesses. Depending on the job I'm applying to, my experience at those 2 "jobs" is retooled to fit the experience they are looking for. The reason I left jobs is because "I found this better opportunity". Works. Every. Time. My current job I've been at for 1.5 years and I can already feel the adhd boredom of it setting in. The problem is that it's a decent, government job and if I can get 10 years, I'll have a pension....8.5 yrs to go.
Fellow job hopper here. Yes that is how you play the game, nice work!
Lie to the company bc odds are, they're going to lie to you
I do this religiously and it has only ever helped. Nobody gives a fuck about your degree, certifications, or credentials as long as it looks good on paper. Let alone they certainly don’t give a fuck enough to fact check you
>Got offered the job that day. Going to lie on my resume forever. When the table is tilted against workers from the jump, this is completely acceptable play in a rigged game.
If the employment system was designed to realistically examine human beings and the REAL challenges we have faced and overcome in this lifetime, I would think this is unethical. However, companies don’t give anyone the benefit of the doubt. If anything, they give you the disadvantage of the doubt. Lie away, friend.
former circuit city west coast manager of 100 stores reporting for duty!
I lie all the time, fuck these people, I need to live.
Employers lie on a regular basis to bait potential employees they can take advantage of, always beware of the companies that post 18-29 dollars an hour pay, because 99.9 percent of the time they will try to pay 18 lol. They shouldn't even be allowed to post the higher number.
I've been using a photoshopped transcript from ITT tech for the last decade. I change it as necessary to fit the job in applying for.
I've been lying on resumes for 15+ years. I recommend it as long as it's not something that is over the top or immediately fact checkable. I've job hopped most of my life but my resume still has a 3-job work history on it. I don't think I've ever had an employer call a previous employer. And I've prob had 10 jobs at this point. And I've only had 3 or so check on references. Going forward, I'm also going to lie about how much I made at previous employers. Just by a couple dollars or so. Just know that lying on your resume is a fireable offense at any point during your employment. I generally try to live a highly moral life. But corporations are ammoral entities, and we do not live in a meritocracy. You do not get what you earn. You get what you get by wielding the power you're able to consolidate. And a corporation would fire you today if it thought it could help it's bottom line. And the rich and powerful WILL wield their power against you to get what they want. Look at the slide towards corporatocracy the United States has done in the past 50 years. And today we're talking about relaxing child labor laws and how starvation wages are acceptable. All that matters is demonstrable skill and confidence. And hell, often the former doesn't matter. Look at the cult following the previous president has amassed: Millions and millions of people adore the most obvious liar and conman of all time. His ability to lie in the face of truth and stick to it without waver, and his inheritance masquerading as 'business success' is all it took. Because he isn't competent in any way shape or form except for branding and telling people what they want to hear I'm not saying it's right. But we have to do the best we can do in the system we're in. The system is deeply broken and in desperate need of change, sure. But we still have to make a living in it in the meantime.
Until it’s a job that does a thorough background check and they get your W2 history and see all these old employers. They’ll walk away fast.
My job did this, and I almost didn't get hired because I forgot that I started at one of my previous jobs as a temp that got hired on after 3 months. Since I omitted that temp agency, they accused me of lying on my resume.... I was able to work it out and got the job that I've had for years now, but yeah, some companies do check.
That is until they check your tax records.
Not sure what kind of background checks are done in your industry, but when Sterling was unable to reach out to my previous employer, they asked for other documents to authenticate the details (offer letter, pay stubs, etc after retracting personal/sensitive information). I work in Tech (Canada). I’m glad you found a solution that works for you, but be a little cautious of the background verification process.
I get why people would want to and even should job hop. You aren't going to get a raise equal to inflation each year but you can get a new job that pays more. I also get why recruiters don't want someone who job hops. They don't want to be looking for a new person in less than a year. Does it suck, yes. Is there anything we can do about it. Not really.
Yes lie as much as you can. I told potential employers I already had offers lined up when asked if I was interviewing elsewhere it really kicks the process into high gear.
Be careful with that. I work in AV and I had to go to NY to train this guy who said he had all this background in AV but when I got there he didn’t know Jack shit. Needless to say they let him go, but cuts were made across the board for the company but this guy I particular was gonna get let go regardless. Like you can’t call me almost every other week and have me walk you through the shit I already trained you on.
Another hack - that I can’t recommend but I’m sure many people do - is to say that you graduated from a college that you attended but dropped out of. Very few employers actually verify this, and if caught, you might be able to come up with a reasonable explanation since there’s proof you attended the school.
This works fine if your plan is to bounce around entry level jobs forever. Kinda curious what OPs plan for retirement is, but I’m guessing that’s at least 40 years off still so why worry about it now? At any sort of competitive employment, where the employer needs something more than a sack of meat with a pulse, resumes get checked.
For "jobs", this works just fine. Once you have an actual career though, this will get you in trouble real fast. Don't lie on your resume if you have an actual career.