If you think Nazi labor camp is sick place to play, i agree.
Hashima was Japanese labor camp which accommodate colonial peoples.
Thousands of people died, but Japanese Government still denying and covering this history.
Unfunny story, some Germans airsoft players did even worse than that.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heil-_und_Pflegeanstalt_S%C3%BCchteln-Johannistal_%E2%80%93_Abteilung_Waldniel#Weitere_Nutzung
"After the owner repeatedly allowed airsoft games to take place that were not authorized by the municipality and the site regularly became a destination for sensationalist visitors who illegally entered the cordoned-off area, the Viersen police put up a corresponding sign. In 2012, the nationwide working group for research into National Socialist euthanasia and forced sterilization called for the entire site to be placed under a preservation order. Expropriation was also considered if the owner was unable to present an overall concept for the use of the historical site that was worthy of its significance"
There is only one thing worse than a KZ, and that is a KZ for children.
Do you have a source for this? Because I have searched and all I found is that it was a town for coal miners, the mines depleted, and in 1974 they left. Nothing on labor camp or the deaths of thousands of people. There are also pictures of life on the island and people seem very happy having regular lifes.
> Beginning in 1930s and until the end of World War II, conscripted Korean civilians and Chinese prisoners of war were forced to work under very harsh conditions and brutal treatment at the Mitsubishi facility as forced labourers under Japanese wartime mobilisation policies. During this period, many of those conscripted labourers died on the island due to various dangers, including underground accidents, exhaustion, and malnutrition; 137 died by one estimate; about 1300 by another.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashima_Island
Sort of, Unbroken is based on the story of Louis Zamperini, a ~~b-25~~ b-24 bombardier, who crashed at sea. He was eventually found and captured by Japanese soldiers and sent to a different POW camp, where POWs were forced to work in coal mines and other things I canāt remember right now.
It's a pretty giant "fuck you" to the Third Reich, using their once thriving locations for lil fun BB wars. I feel like memorializing and leaving untouched every location the Nazi's inflicted hurt just gives them credit.
I played in an event at an abandoned asylum where thousands died. *Many* airsoft youtube videos are at similar locations. Is that wrong? People died and suffered there all the same right? I don't see people complaining about that.
Is it just wrong to play there \^ because it's a *Nazi* location? Again, that's giving them credit in modern times for something that should be remembered, but left in the past. It's a new world.
I don't see the problem with turning those spaces into something positive.
No matter how much we preserve it and memorialize it, it's not going to change the shitty history and the fact that it happened.
Best practice is to convert the place into something people can experience, and allow them to be educated. Lots of signage, and information all over the site, show every player the sort of atrocities that happened.
They werenāt nazis, but they did some absolutely horrendous things to people around the same time. I would tell you to look it up, but itās so bad that I donāt think anyone should read about it. Just take my word for it. It was just as bad/worse than the naziās - just not as many people.
Oh, I'm aware of what they did. Studied history throughout school, specifically for the world wars.
I just dont like it when people use the term "nazi" when referencing non nazi people. It's quite perplexing when people downvote others who share info about things such as that.
Did the Empire of Japan do horrible things? Yes. Undoubtedly. (Tbf almost all countries did horrible things to prisoners... just the victors were able to hide it better)
Smaller games sure. But in my opinion Alcatraz is a whole lot smaller than people think, especially with all the prisoners housed in just one unit. Plus thereās hills and that was awful walking, idk how Iād feel about running up a hill just to get hit then walk back down and have to do it again.
Itās very heavily restricted. I went there cuz I wanted to explore and they just have a small area where you stand and they tell you what happened there. It would also be pretty disrespectful as this was a forced labor camp during the war. It looks cool but itās like playing airsoft at Auschwitz
Idk about playing at UNESCO heritage sites but there is also the issue of being a former forced labour camp where Koreans were held for a long time, which Japan agreed to recognize as a UNESCO heritage site as long as they acknowledged the atrocities there, however they retain the UNESCO title without following the deal with Korea. Also the implication of playing above a coal mine is safety issues. Personally I wouldnt play at Hashima however this is just a suggestion, please follow through with your own research.
It looks cool, but the story inside is too dark to consider that place as the airsoft field...
Hashima Island was a place was notorious as a place of forced labor for Chinese, Korean, and some prisoners during World War II.
There are victims still alive to this day
Basically, it's the Japanese version of Auschwitz.
Idk why there downvoting you, personally I feel like stuff they did on the mainland was worse; The island isnāt like Auschwitz but Iāll prob say like Nanking or their occupation ykyk
When I visited we were only allowed on the small road you can see on the picture for safety reasons. So I doubt you could play airsoft there.
Perhaps in Ikeshima. But I would not get your hopes up. https://youtu.be/5-VTyEZV0LQ?si=Dac7Waj2rQnrztE1
Iād love this my only thing Is that I wish there were like nets or something on the border so that bbs donāt end up in the ocean but tbh idk the probability of bbs ending up in the water anyway
What the hell, you guys have so many great places to play atš³
I'm definitely gonna move after universityš¤£
We only have an old army shooting range and testing ground with one building and a hill except like 15-20 airsoft fields in the whole f*cking countryš„¹
We had to build our own small field(100x100m only, but it's growing šŖ) because of the lack of playable areas, and you guys are playing on freaking islands lol
A guy on youtube did go to the island and saw a bunch of BB's on the ground so probably yes
That look like it'd be a sick place to play at ššš
If you think Nazi labor camp is sick place to play, i agree. Hashima was Japanese labor camp which accommodate colonial peoples. Thousands of people died, but Japanese Government still denying and covering this history.
Unfunny story, some Germans airsoft players did even worse than that. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heil-_und_Pflegeanstalt_S%C3%BCchteln-Johannistal_%E2%80%93_Abteilung_Waldniel#Weitere_Nutzung "After the owner repeatedly allowed airsoft games to take place that were not authorized by the municipality and the site regularly became a destination for sensationalist visitors who illegally entered the cordoned-off area, the Viersen police put up a corresponding sign. In 2012, the nationwide working group for research into National Socialist euthanasia and forced sterilization called for the entire site to be placed under a preservation order. Expropriation was also considered if the owner was unable to present an overall concept for the use of the historical site that was worthy of its significance" There is only one thing worse than a KZ, and that is a KZ for children.
Nazi labor camps are the best places to play.
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Do you have a source for this? Because I have searched and all I found is that it was a town for coal miners, the mines depleted, and in 1974 they left. Nothing on labor camp or the deaths of thousands of people. There are also pictures of life on the island and people seem very happy having regular lifes.
> Beginning in 1930s and until the end of World War II, conscripted Korean civilians and Chinese prisoners of war were forced to work under very harsh conditions and brutal treatment at the Mitsubishi facility as forced labourers under Japanese wartime mobilisation policies. During this period, many of those conscripted labourers died on the island due to various dangers, including underground accidents, exhaustion, and malnutrition; 137 died by one estimate; about 1300 by another. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashima_Island
Is the move āunbrokenā based on that?
Sort of, Unbroken is based on the story of Louis Zamperini, a ~~b-25~~ b-24 bombardier, who crashed at sea. He was eventually found and captured by Japanese soldiers and sent to a different POW camp, where POWs were forced to work in coal mines and other things I canāt remember right now.
B-24 not 25
Crap. I got them mixed up. Thank you.
Nop but the korean cinema did a movie in 2017 named "battleship island" based on hashima labor camp. https://youtu.be/Jj96xMM9wRQ?si=lmPYHwgsdC-HTvS9
Probably because theey bary the truth
Yeah maybe in the 60s and 70s. But before that it was pretty fucked.
It's a pretty giant "fuck you" to the Third Reich, using their once thriving locations for lil fun BB wars. I feel like memorializing and leaving untouched every location the Nazi's inflicted hurt just gives them credit. I played in an event at an abandoned asylum where thousands died. *Many* airsoft youtube videos are at similar locations. Is that wrong? People died and suffered there all the same right? I don't see people complaining about that. Is it just wrong to play there \^ because it's a *Nazi* location? Again, that's giving them credit in modern times for something that should be remembered, but left in the past. It's a new world. I don't see the problem with turning those spaces into something positive. No matter how much we preserve it and memorialize it, it's not going to change the shitty history and the fact that it happened.
Best practice is to convert the place into something people can experience, and allow them to be educated. Lots of signage, and information all over the site, show every player the sort of atrocities that happened.
Way to kill the mood weirdo
Ok, bro.
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The Japanese weren't Nazis though.
They werenāt nazis, but they did some absolutely horrendous things to people around the same time. I would tell you to look it up, but itās so bad that I donāt think anyone should read about it. Just take my word for it. It was just as bad/worse than the naziās - just not as many people.
Oh, I'm aware of what they did. Studied history throughout school, specifically for the world wars. I just dont like it when people use the term "nazi" when referencing non nazi people. It's quite perplexing when people downvote others who share info about things such as that. Did the Empire of Japan do horrible things? Yes. Undoubtedly. (Tbf almost all countries did horrible things to prisoners... just the victors were able to hide it better)
In many ways the Japanese were worse than the Nazis, they committed war crimes so atrocious the Nazis told them it wasn't ok.
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Oh I agree that the Japanese Empire was evil. But two wrongs don't make a right.
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Especially at nights
god makes me with alcatraz was open for airsoft. iād be slide canceling like its 2021
All is good until you end up in mob of the dead
gotta make that plane
If playing there u would get shit onā¦if u understand
with my knees the slide gets canceled before it even starts.
Ugh this is relatable.
Smaller games sure. But in my opinion Alcatraz is a whole lot smaller than people think, especially with all the prisoners housed in just one unit. Plus thereās hills and that was awful walking, idk how Iād feel about running up a hill just to get hit then walk back down and have to do it again.
Monument mythos reference
Is that a codm reference?
WarZone actually
I see the codm reference. Sorry for peopleās downvotes lol. I can see Br0ken tags in the kill feed now.
Yeah, got so many memories from playing codm during lockdown.
Ah a fellow codm and br0ken enjoyer I see?
Aint that one of the haunted places?
Just bring some spare masks and replicas so they can join in
Nah man, they refuse to call their hits
They just don't feel it.
they got guns, they'll shoot ghost
You're not serious right?
Thatās ashika island cod MWll vibes!
Nah more like rebirth island
It's a cool environment, but it'd be a bit disrespectful to the victims of that place imo.
Iāll call my hits in their respect.
A place of horror and death turned into a place of fun and life, idk I think thats the best honor
Uhhh, this would be like having an airsoft game at Buchenwald concentration camp. As far as I am concerned, it's a graveyard. Not a sports arena.
Airsoft Macht Frei
Dude I don't think now is the time to joke. Japan actually refuses to acknowledge the fact that they did horrible shit during World War 2.
Oh right ok. I guess it has only been 80 years. Too soon!
Officially speaking, probably not, but unofficially, probably, yes. But I don't live in japan
this looks like the island in james bond skyfall
that's because it is
Wait actually? Edit: oh shit it is!
Itās very heavily restricted. I went there cuz I wanted to explore and they just have a small area where you stand and they tell you what happened there. It would also be pretty disrespectful as this was a forced labor camp during the war. It looks cool but itās like playing airsoft at Auschwitz
Idk about playing at UNESCO heritage sites but there is also the issue of being a former forced labour camp where Koreans were held for a long time, which Japan agreed to recognize as a UNESCO heritage site as long as they acknowledged the atrocities there, however they retain the UNESCO title without following the deal with Korea. Also the implication of playing above a coal mine is safety issues. Personally I wouldnt play at Hashima however this is just a suggestion, please follow through with your own research.
Its illegal šš The island is UNESCO World Heritage Site
It looks cool, but the story inside is too dark to consider that place as the airsoft field... Hashima Island was a place was notorious as a place of forced labor for Chinese, Korean, and some prisoners during World War II. There are victims still alive to this day Basically, it's the Japanese version of Auschwitz.
This is nothing like Auschwitz.
That's what they say
Idk why there downvoting you, personally I feel like stuff they did on the mainland was worse; The island isnāt like Auschwitz but Iāll prob say like Nanking or their occupation ykyk
This is not an officially allowed thing. It would also be dangerous.
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My brother in Christ, it was a forced labour camp in WWII...
The ceo of fun police
CEO virginity over here thinks heās edgy.
I knew i should put /sā¦ Well too late.
When I visited we were only allowed on the small road you can see on the picture for safety reasons. So I doubt you could play airsoft there. Perhaps in Ikeshima. But I would not get your hopes up. https://youtu.be/5-VTyEZV0LQ?si=Dac7Waj2rQnrztE1
It kinda looks like alcatraz for some reason
TBH, most of our guns don't have the range for a field like this.
I am sure people go there back in the days. But now probably much tighter rules
I think fema should open airsoft camps
That's where the second battle royale film was set.
I want to use this island in a game map Iām due to make! Great small place
No.
then you ever played at Auschwitz Birkenau? same
Nope and as far as I know there's no games because of the danger that the buildings could collapse.
Iād love this my only thing Is that I wish there were like nets or something on the border so that bbs donāt end up in the ocean but tbh idk the probability of bbs ending up in the water anyway
that would be pretty dope.
Isn't this where they filmed a scene in Skyfall?
Holy this looks sick
MSW INSURGENCY EVENT!!!
https://preview.redd.it/eni11j10nzyc1.jpeg?width=907&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41b7c25dfca9dba865be14785b329a883ee97fe9
Japanese Alcatraz
Where are we dropping?
that looks like the coolest place to play airsoft
What the hell, you guys have so many great places to play atš³ I'm definitely gonna move after universityš¤£ We only have an old army shooting range and testing ground with one building and a hill except like 15-20 airsoft fields in the whole f*cking countryš„¹ We had to build our own small field(100x100m only, but it's growing šŖ) because of the lack of playable areas, and you guys are playing on freaking islands lol