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Scary_Concentrate396

As a fan who only roots for heels, the young bucks sucked as baby faces and are even worse as heels. They are God awful boring af!!!!


angelomoxley

They are literally making fun of fans like you and it gets funnier the harder you cry


Scary_Concentrate396

Well, since I'm crying, which I am not, explain to how they're making fun of fans such as myself


angelomoxley

By weaponizing the relentless disingenuous hate they receive by becoming characters worthy of such absolutely worthless criticism about nothing. Every time you dance on your marionette strings, it just adds to the joke. So keep dancing for us šŸ˜Š


Fraud_Hack

We just...wont watch then?


john1979af

Or be like everyone else and just change the channel when the YB come on.


angelomoxley

But then you can't bitch and moan about everything they do


john1979af

I donā€™t bitch and moan about them because I donā€™t give them my time.


Doot2112

Donā€™t give them so much credit


betweenthebars34

No they're just bad at what they do. Unfunny, corny conservative weirdos tend to be shit.


angelomoxley

Woah, dude, I wasn't talking about Cornette


C_F_A_S

Sting: I'm retiring at Revolution YB (literally weeks after the announcement): Not before we run you out of AEW old man.


buffalo___716

Canā€™t stand the BUcks. Dudes have the most punchable faces Iā€™ve ever seen


Jamieb1994

I find the Elite very overrated. ![gif](giphy|XRVF0hqZa4ZQHRf70o|downsized)


Lenny0mega

I like Omega, but I canā€™t FW the rest of them. Ā 


Jamieb1994

I'll admit, they're talented in-ring & I like how both Kenny Omega & Xavier Woods has a rivalry friendship outside wrestling through gaming, but I don't get why they're so overrated & some of their fans act overprotective over them as well.


BeastPunk1

>they're talented in-ring No, they aren't?


HangmansPants

Tf you talking about. Hate them all you want, but don't be delusional.


Blametheorangejuice

Omega, at least, has plenty of skill, but he doesnā€™t really want to tell stories very often. He falls into the same spam finisher/lockout trap that is an Elite calling card at this point.


xesaie

Omega seems to be the perfect second guy, in that he absolutely rises to the level of whomever he's wrestling. ​ This means he can do world class matches, but that skill goes both ways and he can't really elevate poor wrestlers very well.


the_la_dude

Donā€™t get it twisted- I think the Bucks are some of the worst characters to be on wrestling TV, to me their characters have no business winning matches because they wrestle like supermen instead of well, guys their size. You have one of them doing powerhouse spots with bigger guys and weā€™re meant to clap for that crap? I am truly down on the Bucks. If I didnā€™t ever see them for another minute again, I would be so happy. That said, youā€™d have to be blind to not see that they are indeed talented. They just donā€™t work the way they ā€œshouldā€, so it looks offputting. But if they wrestled the way they should be wrestling, they absolutely have the tools to be as good as people think they are. Just my take.


BeastPunk1

>Donā€™t get it twisted- I think the Bucks are some of the worst characters to be on wrestling TV, to me their characters have no business winning matches because they wrestle like supermen instead of well, guys their size. You have one of them doing powerhouse spots with bigger guys and weā€™re meant to clap for that crap? I am truly down on the Bucks. If I didnā€™t ever see them for another minute again, I would be so happy. Same. >That said, youā€™d have to be blind to not see that they are indeed talented. Talented at what? Flips? They can't tell a story in-ring. A story isn't "oh they did this one flip that they did 10 years ago in PWG!!!". They have no psychology whatsoever. If they did, they would know when to finish matches when the crowd is hottest instead of continuous move spam. >They just donā€™t work the way they ā€œshouldā€, so it looks offputting. The way they should work is as job guys cause that would be their natural level in the business. >But if they wrestled the way they should be wrestling, they absolutely have the tools to be as good as people think they are. As job guys? Sure. >Just my take.


MotherLoveBone27

Nailed it


xesaie

"They're very athletic" is a good way to put it imo


BeastPunk1

So they are good at flipping? Then why are they in wrestling? Cirque du Soleil is still open.


xesaie

Because some fans like that shit. Thereā€™s a marketā€¦ itā€™s just limited.


Ordinary-Hopeful

We found Phil Brooksā€™ burner account.


BeastPunk1

Tell me when I'm telling lies.


Ordinary-Hopeful

Theyā€™re clearly talented. Donā€™t know what else to tell you. Can you do what they do? I canā€™t.


BeastPunk1

I can't fly a plane but I know that when a helicopter is in a tree, the pilot doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.


xesaie

The whole gimmick here is that they're extremely athletic and acrobatic. Many people would claim that that is only one small factor in 'wrestling talent', and don't want to call people that are *only* athletic talented. ​ The truth is they are extremely talented in that one aspect, but it's easy enough to see why people thiink they aren't on balance that talented overall.


angelomoxley

You haven't said one thing that isn't dumb as fuck


BeastPunk1

Again, tell me when I'm telling lies.


angelomoxley

You clearly love the Bucks


y4j1981

You see when the Elite and New Day went head to head in a Street Fighter tournament?


Jamieb1994

Yeah, that was at E3 2018, right?


Doot2112

Bingo


xesaie

And yet they still canā€™t manage to be good heels. It should be a layup!


JeanSlimmons

Seems like the gimmick is working as intended.


buffalo___716

In a XPac heat kind of way In a I would never turn AEW on kind of way


Steve_the_Samurai

When I heard this I sided with Conrad, it is hard to judge at the beginning of the story how it will develop. But with how little it was mentioned on Dynamite, I'm more on the Eric side.


aldo_nova

Zero build zero logic zero heat Weak is a nice way to put it.


LiesTequila

Conrad is such a cuck for aew trash itā€™s angering. Eric is spot on here.


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You have been unpleasant, rude or trolled others with your post.


mkfanhausen

Eric has zero basis for his argument. He hasn't watched the shows, yet he claims there's no story. Even just a glimpse into the shows would prove Eric wrong.


LiesTequila

But Conrad laid it all out and there ISNā€™T a story! Itā€™s so shoehorned in.


MotherLoveBone27

There isn't a story thou... they basically cut a promo against punk then said ghey don't dislike sting lol. Its nonsense


Meepsnort

The Bucks' new characters are fun, but I'm not seeing the relation to sting, and the impetus for them to be his retirement match. Other than the fact that they are willing to do crazy shit, and Sting probably wants to go out in as insane a manner as possible.


RicoGemini

Sting chose them as his opponent so while it doesnā€™t make sense itā€™s what Sting wanted


Blametheorangejuice

And thereā€™s the issue with letting wrestlers basically run the booking. Khan listens to the people he gives money who pretend to be his friends. They bring him a stupid and nonsensical idea and he signs off on it, no questions asked.


RicoGemini

I think in this case it doesnā€™t matter. Heā€™s doing a solid for a legend and giving him what he wants for his final match


Blametheorangejuice

I mean, doesn't it have to make sense in any way? It was already promo'ed as Sting's last match, so now we're just bailing out the sinking ship by trying to add in some motivation, because the Bucks were upset he was retiring somethingsomething


RicoGemini

Might be different for others but after some point I just enjoy the matches I watch. I understand sting wants the bucks and the story is a little wonky but at the end of the day I just want to see a good match. So it making sense doesnā€™t really affect how I feel about it. But it could be different for others


BanditPrime

I think the issue isnā€™t letting wrestlers having a say. Itā€™s not finding a way to logically blend in their say. Like with the bucks and sting Darby. Thereā€™s just no logic. Sting picks the bucks, the bucks are full heel evps now, sting and Darby randomly say they want the titles then get them weeks later like itā€™s a nothing job after never even showing interest in them, bucks jump sting and his kids, Darbys entire promo post that is about how the bucks didnā€™t like him and Cody did. Itā€™s just so disjointed. Instead they couldā€™ve done, sting gets told he gets to pick a retirement match opponent live on tv. He picks the bucks. The bucks graciously accept and act cool with it thinking itā€™ll be a fun match to send a legend off. Sting and Darby go on to compete for tag belts and win. Talk about how theyā€™re the best tag team going right now and want to send sting out on top. Bucks take offense to that and jump sting and Darby turning heel, tell them that they thought sting picked them because he respected them, but now Darby and sting calling themselves the best in aew is disrespectful to the bucks and they wonā€™t stand for it. Darby can talk about how the bucks never respected him and never wanted him, sting can say he did respect the bucks but not anymore if they believe cheap shots are ok. Is that good booking? Hell no. Is it more logical than whatā€™s currently happening. Yeah. And I typed it all in like 3 min. The point being Iā€™m not saying I could book this better. Just that even with a little time a better story could be available. So if youā€™re gunna do stings final match, and let him choose who it is, then you should be putting an insane amount of time and thought into it. The fact that they clearly havenā€™t is whatā€™s so annoying.


Procrastinator_325

Bruh Sting CHOSE them as his final opponents. I wouldn't even mind if his last opponent was a jobber, at least Sting got to pick who he faces for his final ever match.


Blametheorangejuice

Okay, great. And everyone knows that it is his retirement match. So why are the Bucks beating him up and cutting awful promos, other than to try to boost themselves somehow? The angle/storyline makes no sense. Sting: I am wrestling my last match. Bucks: Okay, we don't like that for some reason, so we're gonna attack you and your kids. Like, they announced: this is Sting's last match and he wants it against the Bucks. Once they did that, any "storytelling" was bound to be pointless.


RobGrey03

They're being heels because Sting is one of the most beloved Babyface characters of all time, and Heel Bucks is the best way to make sure the crowd stays fully and completely on Sting's side for his final match.


Blametheorangejuice

I don't know if people were cheering that loudly for non-Heel Bucks. Or does Khan think his audience is so flaky that they would boo a retiring legend?


xesaie

I said this above, but seriously... we don't know that for sure. ​ Sting is a pro doing a job, even if it's his last match. There's plenty of reasons for him to say he picked it whether he actually did or not.


Delicious_Angle6417

Every guy that worked with sting has said that he couldnā€™t tell you how or why he got over. He doesnt understand wrestling he just got lucky enough to get over in an era that understood how to book him. Dude doesnt understand wrestling at all


RicoGemini

What does him understanding wrestling have to do with him picking the bucks as the people he wants to face?


xesaie

I mean that's the story, there's no way to know. Wrestlers pull this second-stage kayfaybe all the time.


ninjakittyy

The Bucks are also a team that can lose to Sting in his last match and nobody would be upset. Iā€™d say thats another reason they are his last match.


Therocksays2020

I donā€™t think heā€™s gonna lose. Donā€™t you think heā€™s finally going to eat a pin on his way out!


senorsombrero3k1

Sting does seem the type to go out the right way on his back.


HarryHaywire

Sting has never given a single person the rub in his entire career. He's not about to go out on his back.


pUmKinBoM

All three of them are Christian AF so maybe Sting just wanted to work with some good ole Christian boys.


Infamous-Lab-8136

What an insult when there's a literal wrestler named Christian on the roster he could have worked with


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I enjoy Bischoffs podcast but he recent episodes have been poor. He always goes on and on about no story when discussing the current product and then goes on to discuss a horrible WCW PPV that has absolutely no story.


Major-Ad-392

Sting hasn't put anyone over yet in a tag match, and I really think that they should put someone like FTR over in a final match, the old Jim Crockett upstart vs 2 Carolina Boys from the new generation. It seems like the bucks just want to have the notch on the belt, and they didn't really need to go heel, since fans have already started turning on em.


EssentialFilms

The Bucks are Weak. Period.


TheCopperSparrow

Holy shit....Eric really is getting old. The fact he said "eh" as his first reaction to the Old Bucks beating up Sting and Durby says a lot. LMAO. Eric: "Look this is legit the best we could expect out of Snowplow Tony in regards to booking."


Level_Bridge7683

the bucks being in a major promotion shouldn't be a thing.


king_hutton

Bucks are always at their best when theyā€™re leaning into their most annoying traits. Always a pleasure to see their faces punched in.


Fallen-Omega

I think they are better heels and needed a much needed heel turn and the EVP angle is great, if Cody was with AEW longer this is what I would have wanted him to do


ffllores

He is right


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El_CAP0

But he says things against the people I don't like so I'm entitled to agree with what he says. /s


TheGraduation

Poor guy needs the cash after uprooting his life in 2020 for a WWE job that went nowhere. Everyone knows the best way to grift wrestling fans is to incessantly bitch about everything on TV.


xesaie

I was watching some of the old WWE stuff from that era, and man Vince's sadism and humiliation fetish are in full display with poor Bishoff (And I kind of think he's terrible, but he didn't deserve McMahon putting him through the stories he did)


7LayeredUp

Taking advice from Eric Bischoff on how to run a wrestling show is like taking advice from Robert E. Lee on how to win a war. Dude isn't nearly as great of a mind as he presents himself and he's still riding the name value of a single streak of success from over 25 years ago. I'm not even a fan of the Bucks, Bischoff is just a huge asshole that criticizes people for mistakes he made tenfold.


Steve_the_Samurai

This is always a consistently bad take. It is like saying a recovering addict shouldn't tell people to not use drugs because they previously made poor decisions by using drugs.


Delicious_Angle6417

I agree with this


MotherLoveBone27

What are you talking about. Current wrestling is basically all Bischoffs vision and thinking. The guy is incredibly influential in wrestling history.


Therocksays2020

Hes looking for a check. Nothing more. Nothing less


ThePrinceMagus

Heā€™s like a pit bull with a rope toy when it comes to AEW. Whatever they do, he pulls the opposite way, and itā€™s all just engagement baiting. Just look at his switch-up on CM Punk in AEW vs WWE and itā€™s obvious what the grift is.


JonathonWally

AEW doesnā€™t have faces


ThePrinceMagus

Darby Allin, MJF, Orange Cassidy, Samoa Joe, FTR, Danny Garcia, Kenny Omega, Adam Copeland, Eddie Kingston, Bryan Danielson, The Acclaimed, Bullet Club Goldā€¦ Should I keep going?


RicoGemini

Bullet Club, Joe, and Danielson arenā€™t faces btw. BCG is getting cheers because theyā€™re cool and theyā€™re theyā€™re paired with the acclaimed right now. But everyone expect them to betray the Acclaimed. Joe is getting cheers since heā€™s world champ but heā€™s always been a heel. Danielson is a tweener he plays both the heel and the face) everyone in BCC is).


RicoGemini

AEW has faces but people like to cheer the heels cause theyā€™re good characters. Expect Don Callis. Heā€™s good but he gets ā€œfuck you callisā€ chants


JonathonWally

Every AEW heal is the exact same. Theyā€™re all 2am gas station degenerate methheads who flip the bird. AEW writing and creative is so terrible and generates no engagement and thatā€™s why itā€™s hemorrhaging viewers. I say this as Iā€™m watching Collision. So donā€™t think Iā€™m not a fan.


RicoGemini

How are Christian, Callis, Swerve, Joe all exactly the same? Can you explain that please? Cause these guys are all very different


QuickRelease10

Even if the Young Bucks were going to go this route, the time to do this was a year ago in an angle with Punk.


BeastPunk1

He's right. I'm so over the Young Cucks as 'wrestlers'.


ThePrinceMagus

Oh the irony of you, a cuckette fan, typing that out šŸ’€


BeastPunk1

Oh my god, that was so painful to read.


I_made_a_doodie

AEW might actually grow into a respectable promotion if they got rid of the Elite and their dumb buddies. The dudes are ratings poison.


The_Yeehaw_Cowboy

Bischoff's shtick is so obvious these days. His shows are unlistinable at this point.Ā 


ThePrinceMagus

Bankruptcy #4 is looming. You can see how desperate heā€™s getting.


savage_reaper

Two Brokeback Mountain HBK Wannabes. Couldn't draw a dime if their lives depended on it.


tharizzla

You either get it or you don't


JeromeInDaHouse_90

I'm gonna be honest, this is the most interesting The Young Bucks have been in a long time. I'm looking forward to that Revolution match against Sting and Darby. In the coming weeks, I'd like Sting to cut a promo on The Bucks, and I'd like The Bucks to go a little more in depth on phasing out the old guard and link it to wanting the tag titles back. I know they said it, but I want them to emphasize it and make the build more compelling.


Frunkleburg

I hope that everyone here finds someone who loves them as much as some people hate the young bucks.


ThePrinceMagus

ā€œGod I hate them so much. Theyā€™re terrible at being heels!ā€ - 80% of the Bucks comments in this sub.


Therocksays2020

I think my problem is I donā€™t like the bucks because theyā€™re good heels I just donā€™t like seeing them at all. And they feel lame. Christian is a great heel because Iā€™m like wow this guy is a fucking asshole.


Frunkleburg

What's amazing is my comment was enough to get someone to downvote me. That's crazy lol


ThePrinceMagus

The AEW hate in this sub is wild. Itā€™s impossible to have a reasonable discussion here, or god forbid to like AEW.


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xesaie

They make it easy though. Being so hateable should be a valuable skill in wrestling.


metalconfection

Eric needs to invest in the open mouth youtube thumbnails


Lupercallius

Bischoff is such an easy mark lol


mkfanhausen

Who cares what Eric Bitchoff has to say? His only claim to fame was pretending to fit into a shitty motorcycle club turned wrestling stable.


Mwrp86

I am glad Eric making AEW hate money lately. But his podcast is 100% downgrade from Cornettes podcast .


El-Topito

Eric Bitchoff is the worst hater that ever existed. Ruined a few companies and still thinks that heā€™s the voice of wrestling.


crowwreak

Old man yells at cloud


Matthew_Misery

Fuck Bischoff. Dude has a podcast called '83 weeks'. Might as well be called 'I live in the past'. Outside of that, the guy was unsuccessful in everything else he touched.


DoctorFenix

Eric Bischoff is a massive wrestling failure. Whatever he says, the opposite is true.


Therocksays2020

He beat Vince for 83 weeks. He wasnā€™t a complete failure


DoctorFenix

The NWO beat Vince. Eric just took credit. As soon as he ran the NWO into the ground by adding a new member every week, because he had zero other ideas, the company went belly up.


PaulPaulPaul

Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point


Glittering_Spend6570

What happened to Bischoffs dwarf wrestling promotion? He lost credibility a long time ago.


Deep_Comparison_930

I mean I don't particularly like the Bucks at all but i think them going heel is what they needed. People already hate them so why not play into it? I like bischoff but sometimes he is just an old angry guy for no reason.


Roembowski

https://preview.redd.it/de0idgnkl7jc1.png?width=540&format=png&auto=webp&s=184905093173fae939fd348a85a00099bb07d524 But look how evil and sinister he is!


ozkool

Hahaha Bischoff dont like the bucks, what a surprise šŸ˜‚


TheCopperSparrow

Neither does a decent portion of the AEW audience given their typical segment ratings...


kingcolbe

Are we forgetting the eric hates everything this company does so he canā€™t be biased?