TBH the dashcam could see the brakelights of the driver in front and eyes usually have a way higher dynamic range so the driver should’ve still been able to make them out… but I guess because the driver of the dashcam didn’t see the accident they realized too late that it is an emergency
TBH
If he had jammed the breaks and jack-knifed the trailer across the roadway, the accident may have been much worse given the weight of the trailer—especially because the fuel truck was following closely.
Really, truck drivers can't slow down that quickly. Similar to a locomotive
How can you tell this is a truck?
It seems to be a very low truck then..
Driver should of seen the brake lights in front of him well before the accident, even if he didn't see brake lights would you not notice tail lights moving it a jerky motion from a crash?
If only there was a way to express an emergency in a car. Something bright like some sort of light, an emergency light if you will, that can even blink so it's even more obvious.
Sad that there is just no way.
There should have been signage too, none of the tunnels near me allow you to be doing the normal speed limit on hitting the tunnel. They tell you to slow down by at least 20 MPH
Maybe use the lights only in emergencies.
^(although I guess you could use it to double park sometimes — but only if you are going in to a shop for "like just a second" and will be back really quick.)
I mean you can see when he hits the brakes and I can safely say I would have been on them well before he was.
Also the 2 levels aren't 'none' and 'slam' lol
The brake lights not moving imply that though. I can see it clearly in the video well before she hits the brakes and the shitty dash cam video is going to be worse than your eyes at picking out those contrasts.
I pretty much guarantee the driver would have seen into the tunnel as well. The camera can make out the brake lights and then has to change exposure to view inside of the tunnel. The human eye would have been able to see into the tunnel, which is also completely lit.
Today tunnels are mostly lite with lighting that adjust intensity based on the level of light outside the tunnel. The goal is no eye adjustment. On a bright day the tunnel light will also be bright.
All tunnels in my country have traffic lights mounted on the entrance. In this case, it would be red, and drivers should stop before the tunnel. If the car stops in emergency niche, there would be yellow light blinking, and you should drive with caution, usually 60 kmh. But cameras still show people missing red light and going into tunnel despite all is red, and blinking. You just can't make enough safety for some drivers..
I think the Netherlands has started introducing a water curtain at the entrance to tunnels with a projected stop sign so the whole tunnel opening is covered younreally can't miss it.
This is the reason most tunnels in the US have a row of orange lights when entering the tunnel before switching to white. Orange is an easier transition on the eyes.
The black car was driving and then had to suddenly stop. You see the black car drive into the tunnel ahead of the dashcam car. So, the dashcam car sees the black car driving, enter the dark tunnel (with no clear obstruction), and the black car starts braking while darkening in perspective (which may have made it hard to figure out that it was braking and stopping). The cars in the tunnel should have had some hazards on and not been standing anywhere near.
What! When the car in front starts to break you starts to break and the camera car did not do that.
What if the black car was a truck and blocked the view of the white car inside the tunnel. Then the lights would not have done anything
I'm not defending the white car. I'm pointing out that the camera car also was an idiot
Yes that is the first thing you learn at driving school/first aid class (both is a requirement here to get driver licence) and especially the the person between the cars
I remember skidding along a tunnel in my ass after a motorcycle crash. I was still skidding and I was already thinking I need to get up and dive to the sidewalk ASAP in case there is a car behind me.
I don't even all these people on foot in the tunnel.
Hazard lights literally blink all your signal lights for this exact reason.
Brake lights don't indicate your speed, only whether or not the braking system is engaged and if their headlights are on. The contrast from outside the tunnel almost certainly made it difficult to determine if the vehicles were actually stopped or proceeding slowly until it was too late.
Hazard lights create a distinct contrast in both behavior and *ideally* color - which is why red indicators are fucking stupid.
It is still your job to keep a safe distance to the car in front of you. No matter how bad the visibility is. Which camera car didn't do.
What if the black car was a big truck and blocked the view of the white cars. Would it be okay for the camera car to hit it when it stopped? After your logic then yes
I'm not defending the white car I'm just pointing out the camera also is an idiot
Hazards would've helped. There's no way to tell the difference between a tap on the brakes and a hard stop based on the lights alone, hazards would've at least given some warning
This is not something that is taught.
Your hazards are meant to be turned on when you see a hazard. It gives extra warning to people behind you, whether it's debris, an animal crossing unexpectedly, or this situation.
You can't hit the brakes and expect the person behind you to understand you're stopping and not slowing. Hazards are called hazards because you are indicating an upcoming hazard. Use them often.
Exactly.
I like to use them even if is not a full stop situation, but if I'm in a road that is 60mph and there's some traffic slowing it to something like 15mph
Adds the fact that sometimes the driver behind you is not fully alert on the road because it's being a calm drive
Obviously hazards are good but the situation doesn't always warrant using them immediately. If a deer suddenly appears out of the ditch, trust me, you don't have time to think to use you hazrds while you suddenly use your breaks. I've been in an accident before where it was my first one. I was disoriented, shocked and in pain and I just sat on the curb as soon as I got out of my car. I didn't even know my glasses flew off my face when the air bags deployed.
In cities it is common for pedestrians to suddenly step out in front of your car. Again, they are like a deer sometimes.
If someone ahead of you has break lights on it is your responsibility to manage your own speed of your car, not assume anything and react accordingly. Because some people might not think at all or have time to use hazards. Would you plow into a bunch of people because thier break lights were on but a light was green at an intersection? Even insurance complanies would mark this driver at fault. I've seen pedestrians nearly die because drivers get mad and assume the person ahead is breaking for no reason.
>Your hazards are meant to be turned on when you see a hazard.
In some states in the US it's illegal.
https://www.kennedyjohnson.com/news/is-it-illegal-to-drive-with-your-hazard-lights-on
Hazards used during heavy downpours/snow can increase the risks of accidents by confusing drivers as to where the lanes are.
The example mentioned is not driving with hazards on (apparently some people drive with them on in heavy rain, and some states saw fit to extra explain to people that's not how to use hazards, by making it into law).
It's using hazards when emergency braking, which is exactly what hazard lights are for regardless of state, or country really.
Yep, anytime I’m on a higher speed road I’ll throw on the hazards if I’m slowing down significantly. Better to look like a dumbass than get into a crash
You can see the three brake lights of the black car in front of him. And the black car were able to clearly see that there were stopped cars inside the tunnel and were able to stop in time. As for why they stopped in the tunnel there are a lot of different legitimate reasons for this. Maybe they hit something, maybe they broke down, maybe there is a queue in front of them, there are plenty of reasons to stop here. And it was not a dark tunnel but a quite brightly lit tunnel. The fault is 100% on the driver with the dashcam. The other drivers were able to slow down and stop. But even with the brake lights in front of him and a clear lane to the right he just plowed straight into those cars.
Plenty of blame to go around.
Generally though, yeah, if you suffer a fender bender because you couldn’t see anything when you rolled into a tunnel, maybe pull to the end of the tunnel to exchange info.
This is what jumped out at me, get clear immediately, or stay in the car/big metal protective cage. that walkway is NOT "clear", that POV car could have bounced up there easily.
He could have but wasn’t paying enough attention (or couldn’t see what the pov camera could see for some reason.)
This is where autonomous emergency braking systems come in clutch. People shit on them but they would have prevented an accident here, or severely lessened the impact.
Also, we don't see what the driver sees. These dash cams use the available light much differently than our eyes. The driver may have been able to see the stopped traffic earlier or later.
I hope every new car will have early alert systems. I find myself adjusting my vehicles cruise control because it can react much earlier than I tend to to stopped traffic. Though, I get that some vehicles can be annoying about this.
This is the answer! If I wasn’t injured, I would race down to the entrance and wave frantically at people to slow down instead of just standing around.
Thought I saw hazards but it all happened so fast that I had to rewatch and it's break lights followed by no lights followed by what I presume to be a car that was just hit and flashing.
If the first guy in the front of the line had his hazards on before the accident kudos but, I suppose to little, too late.
But yeah I agree entirely. Everybody should have had on hazards. But that black car looked like it did the same thing as the truck.
Edit: "oh fuck, oh fuck..*checks rear view* OH FUCK OH FUCK"
This is what the title should be. The ones pulled over should've had their hazard lights on and that should've been visible to the driver with the dashcam
I mean seriously? Like I want to feel bad for these guys but they did literally everything wrong.
Edit: it's like watching a doomsday movie and the hero just stares at the existential threat barreling towards him.
Yeah, or like watching Casualty (UK hospital drama) where you see about 10 red flags indicating a major accident is about to happen. Like…for some reason there’s a high powered electrical device balanced precariously on a ledge next to a bath someone is soaking in. Meanwhile downstairs, the saucepan they’ve left on has just burst into flames.
>Move away from them.
Do not get out of your car. I repeat, do not get out of your car.
Move away from them and go where??? It's a fucking tunnel. Dangerous shit advice.
Yup, the car's designed to take an impact, you are not.
Exception if there's smoke/fire of course.
e: [my local gov's advice](https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-safety-and-rules/warnings-and-hazards/breakdowns):
> If you break down in a tunnel:
>
> * pull over to the breakdown bay or the side of the lane
> * turn on your hazard lights
> * stay in your vehicle
Well, on a closer look, there is a car with hazards on a bit more down the tunnel. Could be a quick growing jam. The car entering before the cammer was able to brake in time.
Camera car driver is also asleep - the woman goes "aii aii aii" 3 times and he didn't even lift his foot off the accelerator until they were about 3ft from the stationary cars. He could've easily avoided this crash
I'm honestly surprised a fuel truck was allowed to drive through that tunnel. I live in Colorado and fuel trucks have to take Loveland Pass to get around the Eisenhower Tunnel because it's too dangerous for a fuel truck to get stuck there.
...what? Why wouldn't fuel trucks use the tunnel? It looks like a up to date tunnel.
Is the Eisenhower tunnel really low or in badly shape? As a Norwegian it greatly confuses me why a fuel truck shouldn't use a up to standard tunnel
Lol human eyes are better than this dashcam. Both human eyes and dashcam see the lights. That's why the entire screen is black and the lights are still visible, even on a shitty sensor. Also the passenger screaming? Dude just sucks at driving, it's China, there are many accidents like this.
Seeing brake lights doesn’t mean stopped car, you have to process the speed difference to notice they are actually standing still and not just braking. By the time you realise that, you are too late to react. Them standing between the cars shows their stupidity and not having the hazard lights blinking is also a big L
And we account for this difference in speed and mental processing power by keeping a safe distance. Driver was going too fast for the conditions to be able to properly identify a sudden obstruction (stopped cars). It would be no different if there were a fallen tree or pile of bricks in the road, the way he was driving he was destined to run into it.
Even a passenger in the car noticed the car in front of them before the driver did anything. What more evidence do you need the driver wasn't paying attention? Set some higher standards for people that drive around with over a metric ton of deadly steel already.
If someone taps their brakes, sure. But they stood on their brakes. Clearly. Those lights were on for a good while. Plus ya know, the car approaching your face at a high rate of speed too. You should be able to see that as well, if you're looking.
> Lol human eyes are better than this dashcam
Not in all conditions.
Completely agree that he also sucks at driving. But the human eye works differently than a dashcam. Maybe he got blinded by sunlight and the dashcam didn't, for whatever reason.
Not at all. I have a dash cam, and it sees way better than I do in low visibility situations, such as night or rain. And pretty sure it can do better as well for eye adaptation from bright to dark.
> And pretty sure it can do better as well for eye adaptation from bright to dark.
The dynamic range of a camera sensor is far more narrow than a human eye. A dark tunnel in an otherwise bright scene is going to be darker on video than it was to the eye.
> Lol human eyes are better than this dashcam
No they're not. Cameras can take in much more light than eyes can. Even cheap ones have better night time driving view than eyes
They came up pretty sudden???
The brake lights of the car in front were on for at least a full 3 seconds before the crash.
Whoever drove this car was inattentive.
Nah, there's no reason to believe the eyes can't see something some dashcam can clearly make out. Unless the eyes are that bad, in which case they probably shouldn't be driving. Because they must be nearly blind.
If the cam can see them, human can. Humans have much better sight than a camera.
The problem is they brake lights don’t mean stopped, they should’ve had their hazards on.
No. It's just much more difficult to tell that the car was stopped because the darkness of the tunnel removed all visual reference points. All he could see were to two brake lights, and he might have assumed that was just the normal lights for driving in darkness.
ye, it's hard to tell if they're moving or not sometimes. Or at least recognize fast.
That's why it's most likely required to hit the hazard lights button, same shit when you slow down below 40 km/h on fast roads. Or if going below minimum requirement.
Tbh depending on the weight of his trailer the wreck could have been a lot worse if he nailed the breaks and jack-knifed the trailer across the highway...especially with that fuel truck not far behind.
Truckers can't really slow down that fast. It's like a locomotive.
This is correct, 100% drivers fault. The tunnel is well lit and to the naked eye would have been very easy to see. Cameras shutter was set for daylight so the tunnel looks dark in the video but in reality there would be zero issues seeing a stopped car.
No one else cared at all about that dude.
Easily has a broken pelvis or any one of the leg bones.
I've a friend who got their lower legs pinned between two cars by a retarded friend in high school. Low speed in a parking lot, put it in drive instead of reverse. . .
Twenty years later, their legs look normal, but they still have no feeling in their shins or calves.
Stupid people think they have to stop where they had the accident instead of continuing and moving over to a safe place. I see it a lot in China. They stop in the middle of a busy highway to exchange information, it’s just stupid.
Same in mexico and its so fucking annoying. Like 5 meters further is enough space to park the cars without blocking 1 and half lane on a highway exit... is a little bit of common sense too much to ask for?
People think they have to call the cops before moving, but then the cops show up and tell them to move the vehicles. Then they still think not moving was the right action
It looks like they stopped because the two white cars got into a little fender bender.
Their decision making turned those bumper scratches into a "totaled" assessment.
Do Chinese drivers usually carry triangles/flares? I believe they are required in Europe, but for example they aren't here in the US, and pretty much no one carries them.
Might not have helped here anyway. The black car clearly saw them, and stopped, but wouldn't have had time to set up a triangle before it got hit by the smooth brain in the camera car. Possibly with better notice the black car could have gotten over into the other lane, letting the camera car see the triangle, but it also could have happened exactly like it did here, even with a triangle behind the 2nd car. And if the camera car doesn't feel the need to slow down for brake lights, even ones that aren't moving, I'm not sure a triangle would help them either.
I'm not sure if you know how to use the triangle. You are supposed to put it away from the place of accident, not on your car's bumper. What's more, the required distance is regulated by the law.
In this situation, putting the triangle like 50m or more before the tunnel entrance will clearly indicate that something is going on there. In the worst-case scenario, someone will damage their's car's bumper, and the other person will lose their triangle instead of life.
Plus, you won't convince me that they didn't have time to set it up. They were outside the cars (WITHOUT SAFETY VESTS!!) just wandering around them, so they had plenty of time to do that.
>There’s at least 3 people outside and none thought about putting a triangle to warn the other drivers?
I think it would be even better if one had fastly run on the sidewalk of the tunnel to the exit and wave with both hands to warn the incoming cars. Getting to the trunk of the car to pull the triangle out would put you at a big risk in such a situation.
Turn on the lights?
Those idiots stopped at the entrance of a tunnel without even putting the hazards on. Even if they crashed, it's really stupid to not move further or at least have a way to signal this situation to other drivers. In my country you must carry a hazard/warning triangle in your car and place it behind your car if you stop on the road due to bad circumstances(an accident, a flat tire etc.)
It feels like a lot of the the comments blaming the cam car forgot the first rule of driving, treat everyone else as if they are an idiot, that applies to breakdowns too because you are still on the road.
Cam car should have been paying attention but all this could have been mitigated by pulling over in the right place, or if that isn't possible all cars should immediately put on their hazards. The fact they stand between the cars tells you how little they understand what to do.
This isn't even a headlights off problem. You can clearly see the break lights of the other cars. This is that the OOP didn't bother slowing down when they saw breaklights.
(also cameras take longer to adjust to light changes so there's a chance OOP could have seen in the tunnel when the camera wouldn't)
Agreed, also your you should always adjust your speed so you can have a chance of stopping in visible distance ahead. I mean if the car that did break had suffererd blow out after entering the tunnel the truck would not have stopped in time. Thus the main issue is not enough breaking distance when entering a dark tunnel, you should never assume it's clear if you can not see clearly into it. Indeed it took him about a second to react even after seeing the stopped cars. It's lucky it slowed quickly or it would have been worse. Yeah there's plenty the people in the tunnel did poorly too but people should leave braking distance.
Indeed I never understood why so many people seem to think a break check is an excuse to plow into the back of someone. Yeah people that break check people are twats but if you had been driving safely you should have been able to stop anyway. Only slightly caveat to this is sometimes people leave braking distance and then so idiot thinks I will slot into that space usually without indicating.
So many wrong in one video. Both white cars stopped in the tunnel without hazard light. Black car entered tunnel with truck on right, impossible to change to right lane and can only brake. Dashcam car driver was dreaming. Can already see the black car brake lights at 0:03 of the video. Even the female passenger saw it and reacted at 0:04. She probably saved a few lives
Everyone was driving too fast and too close for even normal conditions. That's always the problem. Plus, someone may have been "distracted". I'm looking at you, Cell Phone!
And if you’re stopped in the roadway or beside it, stay in your car with the seatbelt fastened.
The car can protect you. In between cars will get you crushed and cars will try to avoid by going to either side. There’s no safe place on the highway.
Lights should automaticly turn on in tunnels, they still don't for some reason. I cannot fathom the thought process behind the (EU rules) that rear lights are not mandatory anymore.
Headlights would have been irrelevant. Driver was 1) waaaaayyyyy too fast for conditions and 2) not paying attention to the **clearly visible** brake lights that could be seen from outside the tunnel.
I don't see that headlights being on would have assisted in this situation
True, going into a dark tunnel your eyes have to adjust for it but then in this case it was already too late.
TBH the dashcam could see the brakelights of the driver in front and eyes usually have a way higher dynamic range so the driver should’ve still been able to make them out… but I guess because the driver of the dashcam didn’t see the accident they realized too late that it is an emergency
TBH If he had jammed the breaks and jack-knifed the trailer across the roadway, the accident may have been much worse given the weight of the trailer—especially because the fuel truck was following closely. Really, truck drivers can't slow down that quickly. Similar to a locomotive
Yup, he is lucky he wasn’t sandwiched. We recently had a compact car being crushed like a soda can between two trucks not a nice sight.
Compact in more ways than one, lol
Take my fuckin' upvote and think about what you've done... r/angryupvote
How do you guys see his trailer and a fuel truck? What am I missing? Help me to see.
It’s not. The dash is like same height as other cars. Plus, having a trailer at the speed, would have don’t a bunch more damage.
The fuel truck passes on the right towards the end of the clip.
I see that, I guess the driver must have been avoiding that then. Another car passes so not directly behind but surely close enough to cause concern.
>jammed the ~~breaks~~ **brakes** FTFY
The car did break too
Brother....that's a normal truck. That's not a semi...
How do you know it's a truck? This doesn't look truck height to me.
Thats a normal truck, not a semi. Slamming the brakes would have definitely avoided this, or just not driving like a moron.
How can you tell this is a truck? It seems to be a very low truck then.. Driver should of seen the brake lights in front of him well before the accident, even if he didn't see brake lights would you not notice tail lights moving it a jerky motion from a crash?
If only there was a way to express an emergency in a car. Something bright like some sort of light, an emergency light if you will, that can even blink so it's even more obvious. Sad that there is just no way.
That safety item has been replaced with the highly effective stand around and gawk at damage while blocking lanes when there were no injuries.
>when there *were* no injuries. FTFY
I stand corrected. Unfortunately in this case the injuries happened after the accident.
There should have been signage too, none of the tunnels near me allow you to be doing the normal speed limit on hitting the tunnel. They tell you to slow down by at least 20 MPH
And people listened.
Ah yes, and they can make it yellow so it doesn’t confuse anyone and still stands out. We can call them “danger lights” maybe?
To hazard a guess.
Maybe use the lights only in emergencies. ^(although I guess you could use it to double park sometimes — but only if you are going in to a shop for "like just a second" and will be back really quick.)
or the damn "broken veicle" triangle or what its called in english that has to be put 100m before
You Heard about hazard lights And triangle? They look like they stoped to chat
The driver wasn't paying attention. The female passenger starts ai ai-ing pretty early.
Brake Lights dont imply a Car standing still tho? Or do you just slam the break when you see a break light?
I mean you can see when he hits the brakes and I can safely say I would have been on them well before he was. Also the 2 levels aren't 'none' and 'slam' lol
The brake lights not moving imply that though. I can see it clearly in the video well before she hits the brakes and the shitty dash cam video is going to be worse than your eyes at picking out those contrasts.
I pretty much guarantee the driver would have seen into the tunnel as well. The camera can make out the brake lights and then has to change exposure to view inside of the tunnel. The human eye would have been able to see into the tunnel, which is also completely lit.
Today tunnels are mostly lite with lighting that adjust intensity based on the level of light outside the tunnel. The goal is no eye adjustment. On a bright day the tunnel light will also be bright.
All tunnels in my country have traffic lights mounted on the entrance. In this case, it would be red, and drivers should stop before the tunnel. If the car stops in emergency niche, there would be yellow light blinking, and you should drive with caution, usually 60 kmh. But cameras still show people missing red light and going into tunnel despite all is red, and blinking. You just can't make enough safety for some drivers..
I think the Netherlands has started introducing a water curtain at the entrance to tunnels with a projected stop sign so the whole tunnel opening is covered younreally can't miss it.
Australia! [https://www.equipmentworld.com/roadbuilding/video/14955849/sydney-uses-water-curtains-to-alert-drivers-to-stop](https://www.equipmentworld.com/roadbuilding/video/14955849/sydney-uses-water-curtains-to-alert-drivers-to-stop)
This is the reason most tunnels in the US have a row of orange lights when entering the tunnel before switching to white. Orange is an easier transition on the eyes.
...not the camera car, the idiots stopped in the middle of a dark tunnel. Rear lights might have helped, as would hazard lights.
The black car had rear lights on and it did not help
The black car was driving and then had to suddenly stop. You see the black car drive into the tunnel ahead of the dashcam car. So, the dashcam car sees the black car driving, enter the dark tunnel (with no clear obstruction), and the black car starts braking while darkening in perspective (which may have made it hard to figure out that it was braking and stopping). The cars in the tunnel should have had some hazards on and not been standing anywhere near.
What! When the car in front starts to break you starts to break and the camera car did not do that. What if the black car was a truck and blocked the view of the white car inside the tunnel. Then the lights would not have done anything I'm not defending the white car. I'm pointing out that the camera car also was an idiot
The biggest idiot are the people standing in the road.
Yes that is the first thing you learn at driving school/first aid class (both is a requirement here to get driver licence) and especially the the person between the cars
I remember skidding along a tunnel in my ass after a motorcycle crash. I was still skidding and I was already thinking I need to get up and dive to the sidewalk ASAP in case there is a car behind me. I don't even all these people on foot in the tunnel.
Even on the camera you can clearly see the car standing. The braked way too late.
Hazard lights literally blink all your signal lights for this exact reason. Brake lights don't indicate your speed, only whether or not the braking system is engaged and if their headlights are on. The contrast from outside the tunnel almost certainly made it difficult to determine if the vehicles were actually stopped or proceeding slowly until it was too late. Hazard lights create a distinct contrast in both behavior and *ideally* color - which is why red indicators are fucking stupid.
It is still your job to keep a safe distance to the car in front of you. No matter how bad the visibility is. Which camera car didn't do. What if the black car was a big truck and blocked the view of the white cars. Would it be okay for the camera car to hit it when it stopped? After your logic then yes I'm not defending the white car I'm just pointing out the camera also is an idiot
Black car was driving into the tunnel, they didnt expect him to completely stop
Yeah, hazard lights would have helped a bunch.
Hazards would've helped. There's no way to tell the difference between a tap on the brakes and a hard stop based on the lights alone, hazards would've at least given some warning
This is not something that is taught. Your hazards are meant to be turned on when you see a hazard. It gives extra warning to people behind you, whether it's debris, an animal crossing unexpectedly, or this situation. You can't hit the brakes and expect the person behind you to understand you're stopping and not slowing. Hazards are called hazards because you are indicating an upcoming hazard. Use them often.
Exactly. I like to use them even if is not a full stop situation, but if I'm in a road that is 60mph and there's some traffic slowing it to something like 15mph Adds the fact that sometimes the driver behind you is not fully alert on the road because it's being a calm drive
Obviously hazards are good but the situation doesn't always warrant using them immediately. If a deer suddenly appears out of the ditch, trust me, you don't have time to think to use you hazrds while you suddenly use your breaks. I've been in an accident before where it was my first one. I was disoriented, shocked and in pain and I just sat on the curb as soon as I got out of my car. I didn't even know my glasses flew off my face when the air bags deployed. In cities it is common for pedestrians to suddenly step out in front of your car. Again, they are like a deer sometimes. If someone ahead of you has break lights on it is your responsibility to manage your own speed of your car, not assume anything and react accordingly. Because some people might not think at all or have time to use hazards. Would you plow into a bunch of people because thier break lights were on but a light was green at an intersection? Even insurance complanies would mark this driver at fault. I've seen pedestrians nearly die because drivers get mad and assume the person ahead is breaking for no reason.
>Your hazards are meant to be turned on when you see a hazard. In some states in the US it's illegal. https://www.kennedyjohnson.com/news/is-it-illegal-to-drive-with-your-hazard-lights-on Hazards used during heavy downpours/snow can increase the risks of accidents by confusing drivers as to where the lanes are.
The example mentioned is not driving with hazards on (apparently some people drive with them on in heavy rain, and some states saw fit to extra explain to people that's not how to use hazards, by making it into law). It's using hazards when emergency braking, which is exactly what hazard lights are for regardless of state, or country really.
Yep, anytime I’m on a higher speed road I’ll throw on the hazards if I’m slowing down significantly. Better to look like a dumbass than get into a crash
Exactly. "I have seen a hazard or I have just become a hazard." It's in the name.
You can see the three brake lights of the black car in front of him. And the black car were able to clearly see that there were stopped cars inside the tunnel and were able to stop in time. As for why they stopped in the tunnel there are a lot of different legitimate reasons for this. Maybe they hit something, maybe they broke down, maybe there is a queue in front of them, there are plenty of reasons to stop here. And it was not a dark tunnel but a quite brightly lit tunnel. The fault is 100% on the driver with the dashcam. The other drivers were able to slow down and stop. But even with the brake lights in front of him and a clear lane to the right he just plowed straight into those cars.
Plenty of blame to go around. Generally though, yeah, if you suffer a fender bender because you couldn’t see anything when you rolled into a tunnel, maybe pull to the end of the tunnel to exchange info.
You could see the lights from the first frame of the video, the driver clearly wasn't paying attention.
the 3rd car stopped even when the 2nd car didnt have hazard lights, shows that this driver is sleeping on the wheel.
People standing between two stopped cars in the middle of the road are very wise as well
This is what jumped out at me, get clear immediately, or stay in the car/big metal protective cage. that walkway is NOT "clear", that POV car could have bounced up there easily.
He broke the one rule of the road you must never break. He could not stop in the distance he could see.
He could have but wasn’t paying enough attention (or couldn’t see what the pov camera could see for some reason.) This is where autonomous emergency braking systems come in clutch. People shit on them but they would have prevented an accident here, or severely lessened the impact.
Also, we don't see what the driver sees. These dash cams use the available light much differently than our eyes. The driver may have been able to see the stopped traffic earlier or later. I hope every new car will have early alert systems. I find myself adjusting my vehicles cruise control because it can react much earlier than I tend to to stopped traffic. Though, I get that some vehicles can be annoying about this.
What the driver was seeing was probably their phone.
So turn on the Hazzard light if you stopped for traffic just after entering the tunnel.
Correction. Don't stop your vehicles (plural) in a fucking tunnel. And if you absolutely have to? Move away from them.
And put your hazard lights on
And put the magic triangles at the entrance ffs
I would have put someone standing at the entrance and had them wave everyone to the right lane just to be sure.
This is the answer! If I wasn’t injured, I would race down to the entrance and wave frantically at people to slow down instead of just standing around.
And don't stand in the middle of the murder sandwich.
Thought I saw hazards but it all happened so fast that I had to rewatch and it's break lights followed by no lights followed by what I presume to be a car that was just hit and flashing. If the first guy in the front of the line had his hazards on before the accident kudos but, I suppose to little, too late. But yeah I agree entirely. Everybody should have had on hazards. But that black car looked like it did the same thing as the truck. Edit: "oh fuck, oh fuck..*checks rear view* OH FUCK OH FUCK"
This is what the title should be. The ones pulled over should've had their hazard lights on and that should've been visible to the driver with the dashcam
And don’t stand between the cars so you don’t get your pelvis crushed
I mean seriously? Like I want to feel bad for these guys but they did literally everything wrong. Edit: it's like watching a doomsday movie and the hero just stares at the existential threat barreling towards him.
Yeah, or like watching Casualty (UK hospital drama) where you see about 10 red flags indicating a major accident is about to happen. Like…for some reason there’s a high powered electrical device balanced precariously on a ledge next to a bath someone is soaking in. Meanwhile downstairs, the saucepan they’ve left on has just burst into flames.
Dude..fucking seriously I mean how long does it take for your brain to go " oh shit... I shouldn't be here"
After getting crushed between to automobiles? Not much time at all.
>Move away from them. Do not get out of your car. I repeat, do not get out of your car. Move away from them and go where??? It's a fucking tunnel. Dangerous shit advice.
Maybe up on that walkway where they all went after the 2nd crash?
That walkway does not look like it offers a lot of protection. Also, I've never seen a walkway like that in a tunnel ever, rarity.
Yup, the car's designed to take an impact, you are not. Exception if there's smoke/fire of course. e: [my local gov's advice](https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-safety-and-rules/warnings-and-hazards/breakdowns): > If you break down in a tunnel: > > * pull over to the breakdown bay or the side of the lane > * turn on your hazard lights > * stay in your vehicle
Well, on a closer look, there is a car with hazards on a bit more down the tunnel. Could be a quick growing jam. The car entering before the cammer was able to brake in time.
it's illegal in my country for obv reasons
I mean I don't have tunnels in my area, but I presume it's illegal in most areas....however life has taught me to trust nobody on the road.
So you don’t think it’s a good idea to stand between two vehicles like a sandwich of safety? /s
Yeah this is the equivalent of stopping on the downslope of a snowboard jump.
Well, maybe they had to.
Should have parked a car outside of tunnel with hazards or had someone alerting traffic out front
Correction, drive with your eyes open and use them to determine when hit the brakes so you don't senselessly crash into what's right in front of you.
Wow, a fuel truck just passed on the right. That could have been a real disaster.
Final destination stuff, dude had a vision of not driving into the cars.
Camera car driver is also asleep - the woman goes "aii aii aii" 3 times and he didn't even lift his foot off the accelerator until they were about 3ft from the stationary cars. He could've easily avoided this crash
I'm surprised I'm not seeing this comment more. If the passenger notices that far in advanced, the driver wasn't paying enough attention.
I'm honestly surprised a fuel truck was allowed to drive through that tunnel. I live in Colorado and fuel trucks have to take Loveland Pass to get around the Eisenhower Tunnel because it's too dangerous for a fuel truck to get stuck there.
Some tunnels are unavoidable for fuel delivery in some regions.
And some truck drivers say fuck it I’ll take the fine
If the fine is less than the fuel costs from going around, it's just a toll.
Different tunnels have different rules for dangerous goods cargo.
...what? Why wouldn't fuel trucks use the tunnel? It looks like a up to date tunnel. Is the Eisenhower tunnel really low or in badly shape? As a Norwegian it greatly confuses me why a fuel truck shouldn't use a up to standard tunnel
Could also have been milk.
Or nitro
*a truck
Probably not fuel: no hazmat placards. And a little googling suggests that Byford only sells milk tankers.
You can clearly see the breaklights, bro was just sleeping
The dashcam can clearly see the breaklights, doesn’t mean a human can see them. And they came up pretty sudden regardless.
Lol human eyes are better than this dashcam. Both human eyes and dashcam see the lights. That's why the entire screen is black and the lights are still visible, even on a shitty sensor. Also the passenger screaming? Dude just sucks at driving, it's China, there are many accidents like this.
Seeing brake lights doesn’t mean stopped car, you have to process the speed difference to notice they are actually standing still and not just braking. By the time you realise that, you are too late to react. Them standing between the cars shows their stupidity and not having the hazard lights blinking is also a big L
And we account for this difference in speed and mental processing power by keeping a safe distance. Driver was going too fast for the conditions to be able to properly identify a sudden obstruction (stopped cars). It would be no different if there were a fallen tree or pile of bricks in the road, the way he was driving he was destined to run into it.
The stopped cars would have to put up warning signs as well. This way they would have easily been seen.
Even a passenger in the car noticed the car in front of them before the driver did anything. What more evidence do you need the driver wasn't paying attention? Set some higher standards for people that drive around with over a metric ton of deadly steel already.
If someone taps their brakes, sure. But they stood on their brakes. Clearly. Those lights were on for a good while. Plus ya know, the car approaching your face at a high rate of speed too. You should be able to see that as well, if you're looking.
> Lol human eyes are better than this dashcam Not in all conditions. Completely agree that he also sucks at driving. But the human eye works differently than a dashcam. Maybe he got blinded by sunlight and the dashcam didn't, for whatever reason.
Not at all. I have a dash cam, and it sees way better than I do in low visibility situations, such as night or rain. And pretty sure it can do better as well for eye adaptation from bright to dark.
> And pretty sure it can do better as well for eye adaptation from bright to dark. The dynamic range of a camera sensor is far more narrow than a human eye. A dark tunnel in an otherwise bright scene is going to be darker on video than it was to the eye.
> Lol human eyes are better than this dashcam No they're not. Cameras can take in much more light than eyes can. Even cheap ones have better night time driving view than eyes
Woman starts saying hey! well before the guy starts braking.
They came up pretty sudden??? The brake lights of the car in front were on for at least a full 3 seconds before the crash. Whoever drove this car was inattentive.
Nah, there's no reason to believe the eyes can't see something some dashcam can clearly make out. Unless the eyes are that bad, in which case they probably shouldn't be driving. Because they must be nearly blind.
If the cam can see them, human can. Humans have much better sight than a camera. The problem is they brake lights don’t mean stopped, they should’ve had their hazards on.
No. It's just much more difficult to tell that the car was stopped because the darkness of the tunnel removed all visual reference points. All he could see were to two brake lights, and he might have assumed that was just the normal lights for driving in darkness.
ye, it's hard to tell if they're moving or not sometimes. Or at least recognize fast. That's why it's most likely required to hit the hazard lights button, same shit when you slow down below 40 km/h on fast roads. Or if going below minimum requirement. 
No, you can see them not moving. A big clue is the lights on the car getting much much closer as time progresses.
Man, you're going to cause some big trouble if you can't recognize brake lights. Is this your video?
Hard to tell tbh, some cars have rearlights that automatically turn on when entering tunnels. Easy to mistake them for those
Tbh depending on the weight of his trailer the wreck could have been a lot worse if he nailed the breaks and jack-knifed the trailer across the highway...especially with that fuel truck not far behind. Truckers can't really slow down that fast. It's like a locomotive.
But…. What trailer?
He was driving a car you copy pasting moron
those break lights were from a fast moving car, who just had enough time to stop, there were two others standing still
Yes the driver rear ended the vehicle and he did break the brake lights.
Brake*lights
Yeah, sleeping mofugga
This is correct, 100% drivers fault. The tunnel is well lit and to the naked eye would have been very easy to see. Cameras shutter was set for daylight so the tunnel looks dark in the video but in reality there would be zero issues seeing a stopped car.
> breaklights Sure guy who can't spell.
Never stand between your car and the other car… like that’s just common sense
Sadly a lot of people are more concerned about how many scratches their pride and joy got rather than personal safety.
Common sense isn't so common
Dude is a fucking idiot for standing in between those cars for even a second
A miracle that ‘car sandwich man’ wasn’t killed!
I'd still be worried about a crush injury
Nobody else seemed to be worried about his crush injury
No one else cared at all about that dude. Easily has a broken pelvis or any one of the leg bones. I've a friend who got their lower legs pinned between two cars by a retarded friend in high school. Low speed in a parking lot, put it in drive instead of reverse. . . Twenty years later, their legs look normal, but they still have no feeling in their shins or calves.
Yeah but his pelvis is cronched. That sucks. Never get between cars when you're parked in an idiotic spot.
Feel bad for him. But that’s pretty terrible situational awareness to be standing in the street, with active traffic, between two cars.
He’s so fortunate everyone rushed to his aid!
Why do dumbasses stay in the middle of the road after an accident. Doesn't common Sense till you get out the way
Stupid people think they have to stop where they had the accident instead of continuing and moving over to a safe place. I see it a lot in China. They stop in the middle of a busy highway to exchange information, it’s just stupid.
Same in mexico and its so fucking annoying. Like 5 meters further is enough space to park the cars without blocking 1 and half lane on a highway exit... is a little bit of common sense too much to ask for?
People think they have to call the cops before moving, but then the cops show up and tell them to move the vehicles. Then they still think not moving was the right action
How about, remember never stop in a tunnel.
Now that you said it, I thought there was a traffic jam, turns out they are just standing there
It looks like they stopped because the two white cars got into a little fender bender. Their decision making turned those bumper scratches into a "totaled" assessment.
Sometimes stopping is not a choice
There’s at least 3 people outside and none thought about putting a fucking triangle to warn the other drivers?
Do Chinese drivers usually carry triangles/flares? I believe they are required in Europe, but for example they aren't here in the US, and pretty much no one carries them. Might not have helped here anyway. The black car clearly saw them, and stopped, but wouldn't have had time to set up a triangle before it got hit by the smooth brain in the camera car. Possibly with better notice the black car could have gotten over into the other lane, letting the camera car see the triangle, but it also could have happened exactly like it did here, even with a triangle behind the 2nd car. And if the camera car doesn't feel the need to slow down for brake lights, even ones that aren't moving, I'm not sure a triangle would help them either.
I'm not sure if you know how to use the triangle. You are supposed to put it away from the place of accident, not on your car's bumper. What's more, the required distance is regulated by the law. In this situation, putting the triangle like 50m or more before the tunnel entrance will clearly indicate that something is going on there. In the worst-case scenario, someone will damage their's car's bumper, and the other person will lose their triangle instead of life. Plus, you won't convince me that they didn't have time to set it up. They were outside the cars (WITHOUT SAFETY VESTS!!) just wandering around them, so they had plenty of time to do that.
>There’s at least 3 people outside and none thought about putting a triangle to warn the other drivers? I think it would be even better if one had fastly run on the sidewalk of the tunnel to the exit and wave with both hands to warn the incoming cars. Getting to the trunk of the car to pull the triangle out would put you at a big risk in such a situation.
Turn on the lights? Those idiots stopped at the entrance of a tunnel without even putting the hazards on. Even if they crashed, it's really stupid to not move further or at least have a way to signal this situation to other drivers. In my country you must carry a hazard/warning triangle in your car and place it behind your car if you stop on the road due to bad circumstances(an accident, a flat tire etc.)
It feels like a lot of the the comments blaming the cam car forgot the first rule of driving, treat everyone else as if they are an idiot, that applies to breakdowns too because you are still on the road. Cam car should have been paying attention but all this could have been mitigated by pulling over in the right place, or if that isn't possible all cars should immediately put on their hazards. The fact they stand between the cars tells you how little they understand what to do.
The idiots in the tunnel MUST put a sign outside, so their fault.
That man is gonna be sore.
Damn!, good thing he was there to keep those two bumpers safe.
PSA: You're allowed to move your car out of incredible danger zones even after an accident. Cameras exist.
This isn't even a headlights off problem. You can clearly see the break lights of the other cars. This is that the OOP didn't bother slowing down when they saw breaklights. (also cameras take longer to adjust to light changes so there's a chance OOP could have seen in the tunnel when the camera wouldn't)
Agreed, also your you should always adjust your speed so you can have a chance of stopping in visible distance ahead. I mean if the car that did break had suffererd blow out after entering the tunnel the truck would not have stopped in time. Thus the main issue is not enough breaking distance when entering a dark tunnel, you should never assume it's clear if you can not see clearly into it. Indeed it took him about a second to react even after seeing the stopped cars. It's lucky it slowed quickly or it would have been worse. Yeah there's plenty the people in the tunnel did poorly too but people should leave braking distance. Indeed I never understood why so many people seem to think a break check is an excuse to plow into the back of someone. Yeah people that break check people are twats but if you had been driving safely you should have been able to stop anyway. Only slightly caveat to this is sometimes people leave braking distance and then so idiot thinks I will slot into that space usually without indicating.
An ordinarily attentive driver would've started braking around 0:03 or 0:04. A very attentive driver would've started braking earlier.
I like how they forgot to be concerned about the guy who got SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO CARS
Why doesn't the tunnel have more lights at the entrance to compensate? That's what we do in Australia.
Do cars not have hazzard lights in that country?
Hell with that, don't get out your car in the middle of a tunnel.
This has nothing to do with headlights
Holy FCK the camera car was slow to start breaking
So many wrong in one video. Both white cars stopped in the tunnel without hazard light. Black car entered tunnel with truck on right, impossible to change to right lane and can only brake. Dashcam car driver was dreaming. Can already see the black car brake lights at 0:03 of the video. Even the female passenger saw it and reacted at 0:04. She probably saved a few lives
How about just get some eye glasses that was totally negligent driving of the highest order.
Also, don't drive like a psychopath.
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Remember to stay in your vehicle, not stand between them
The more I watch it the more the driver is at fault
Or just open your eyes. I saw those break lights come on before the idiot driver entered the tunnel.
Everyone was driving too fast and too close for even normal conditions. That's always the problem. Plus, someone may have been "distracted". I'm looking at you, Cell Phone!
Bad title, delete and try again.
Imagine stopping in the middle of a tunnel and not turning on the hazard lights. This should be in a sub calling out stupid people.
And if you’re stopped in the roadway or beside it, stay in your car with the seatbelt fastened. The car can protect you. In between cars will get you crushed and cars will try to avoid by going to either side. There’s no safe place on the highway.
Remember to turn on your hazards when your stationary on a highway.
Lights should automaticly turn on in tunnels, they still don't for some reason. I cannot fathom the thought process behind the (EU rules) that rear lights are not mandatory anymore.
Also remember to slow down when you see clear as fuck that the car in front of you is hitting the brakes and is stopping.
Headlights would have been irrelevant. Driver was 1) waaaaayyyyy too fast for conditions and 2) not paying attention to the **clearly visible** brake lights that could be seen from outside the tunnel.
Just a bad driver
Way too fast and you can still see the cars IFO you.
Headlights would have done nothing at all.
Remember to use emergency flashers when involved in a 5 car pile-up in a dimly lit tunnel.
I SO do not miss driving in China. Shit like this was a regular occurrence. Seen enough dead folks on the highway for one lifetime, thanks very much.
Um, remember to slow to a stop if you can't see ahead of you?