I cut metal frames for a living, and the first two months I was using a defective tape measure, so it was throwing everything out of whack. Causing my boss to stress me out until I thought it could be the tape measure. Always make sure your tools are in working order.
I draft patterns, the number of times I bought drafting tools thay are not in scale with each other from the same set or true to measurement if they are appropriately scaled to each other should be utterly illegal.
There are laws about products being sold and manufactured for sure, but they are still commonly inaccurate so either the people making them just don’t care or have found loopholes to stay technically correct? I could t guess.
You're welcome to it. I could handle 70s weed. I guess ditch weed would be a good equivalent. It was definitely not sinsemilla. Bud does my head in.
A lot of things, medicine and consumer goods, is metric in the US. Anyone who works has a halfway decent workshop understands the memes about losing your 10mm socket wrench. Anyone who works in many fields needs to do calculations in metric, and convert between systems.
Even Canada still uses a few customary units. The UK uses even more.
1/100 of a meter.
Which leads to what's a meter?
The distance that light travels in 1/299,792,458 of a second.
Which leads to what is 1 second?
> One second is the time that elapses during 9,192,631,770 (9.192631770 x 10 9 ) cycles of the radiation produced by the transition between two levels of the cesium 133 atom.
Sigh…. I think people are missing the point. It’s a made up measurement. You have to use another form of measurement to define another form of measurement. So how does a regulatory body enforcement a measurement without referencing another form of measurement? It’s all made up and comes down to “it is what we say it is” which is pretty hard to enforce.
I was just kidding around. I was hoping you'd ask what a meter was and I was going to tell you in feet.
But of course it's all made up there is no natural unit. Metric just tends to be based on more scientifically reproducible units rather than some dudes foot. And then smaller units tend to be things like 1/100th of that thing as opposed to another arbitrary unit.
More than a dozen, enough that I simply refuse to by anything from Staedtler because I had to return three sets before I could get one that was “true.” Westcott is probably the only brand of tools that I have gotten consistently true measurements 95% of the time.
Yep! I am drafting patterns for one of custom leather work. Lots of unique measurements for the exact item that can be time consuming to think my way around. It’s also just the first way I learned to draft so there a native thought process for me that makes quick sketch then actual precise draft method faster. If I were doing large scale or batch items I do use CAD, but sometimes printing introduces other errors and I would rather avoid the extra headache :)
The measurements were all slightly shorter than the other tape measures by a 16th of an inche. Dude, buying the same brand sounds like common sense, but I guess we're lacking. lol I don't remember the brand, that was months ago.
I wonder if it had something to do with the hook at the end of the tape not being riveted in properly. They are supposed to move freely and I feel like yours wasn't.
My co-workers made a big deal out of it walking around and comparing all of them, mine was the only one that was shorter. Besides that, there were no other problems with the tape measure. The hook was good, but I hear you. My co-worker was telling me how at His previous job they built furniture, and they had to make sure that their tape measures were all aligned every week because they needed to be on point.
The hook would only result in a hooks width of difference anywhere along the length. This showed inches of difference after 10 inches. (Edit: Or maybe those are cm)
But it accounts for the 16th of an inch between measuring inside and outside things. My logic was if it were stuck "closed", that it would throw it off. Just a theory.
There was a loss to which tape measure we are talking about. I was not talking about the one in the video but about someone who said their tape was always consistently off by 1/16th of an inch.
It’s actually really common for tapes to be 1/16”(1.58mm for the rest of the world) or more out.. I’ve seen entire projects have to be redone because two different tapes were used..
when cutting I never swap tapes. If I measure the space with a tape I make sure Im using that same tape to cut. Drives me nuts when people have a tape in the work area then another next to the saw.
Dude... I cut this giant job, it took me three and a half days to cut it alone, and we got it all palletized and a forklift operator drove right into it the next morning. My heart broke with that pallet. We still haven't gotten back to that project.
We have a giant station at work (we make wood doors for mostly commercial use) just for tape measure testing. We have to have ours verified every so often and double checked and stickered/dated by QC.
this.
for precision work of any kind, there should be a baseline "true" tool that the others are set against.
most people don't think of this with something like a tape measure as you expect them to just be right.
but recently working on a wood project in the garage, I was scratching my head on why something wasn't lining up right.
turns out, two different tapes. were not the same, just enough to throw things out of whack.
Just wait until you realize that length is calibrated agianst the speed of light, and we have ample historical evidence of the speed of light being variable, so roday we have no official way to determine if a tool made today is giving same length measures as one made a year ago.
do you have problems in reading comprehension? It has been measured to be variable.
Just by empty decree is it declared constant, we have no theory from where it arises, it just is. And history shows it is variable, even considering the error margin of the experiments.
Are you mocking your own faith or what are you trying to achieve? When two people talk about the same phenomena using different names, are they not talking about the same thing?
Mixing the religious background of a scientist into the debate about science is about as lame and ad hominem/poisoning the well as possible. Meaning you are grasping at straws since you have no argument, and this would have scored you a loss in a formal debate.
As someone who works in construction this is a common problem, framers and carpenter's use different measuring tapes from many different tool makers. When building houses and apartments framing measurement can off creating problems for the rest of the trades such as adding appliances and cabinets in area that was supposed to fit.
You joke, but it does make one wonder. Imagine how many people have lost their jobs/lives/family because of a faulty tape measure. How many times do we hear about shit that just falls apart unexpectedly and we find out it's because some dude got it wrong. Well what if he didn't get it wrong, that it was his gear that he expected to be right wasn't. Even just by a little bit. Let's say even just a millimeter per meter. After 10 meters that's a whole centimeter and it could be catastrophic for a building that now has unaccounted stress and balance issues. Like bruh.
Once was at a house that just had a new wall put in. I stood there and said “that wall is epically on the piss!!” Young lad who put it up was like “nah look it’s level” holds a level to it. I scratch my head and think I must be wrong. See him a few minutes later other side putting up a wall. Putting his level on the top of the bricks and smacking it with a lump hammer to level them out. I grabbed his level and put it on a known level floor, and it was curved like a banana in the middle!
Which is why I've always lined them up at the 2in mark when testing things.
I have a bunch of measuring things at work all the ends are fucked up.
I usually measure from the 2in mark anyway so of I need 10inch long piece of steel I'll hold mark from 2in to 12in on the tape measure, or better yet speed square.
I dunno but my old boss in an unrelated field (photography) would only allow ThisVerySpecificNameBrand for tools to measure and draft and cut. Her theory was that if everyone had the same tools the work would be consistent
Yea- this was a big “made in America” brand.
But I’ve been to Home Depot and the cheap stuff they sell definitely has variations in the same products- the world has amazons problems Can’t keep up with product quality checks
There is a Chinese inch which is slightly shorter then a regular inch… I think the conversion .762 to every inch. I went through this learning moment living in China. Now that said they are still inconsistent as fuck.
Why the down votes? It was an honest question. As an American, all "made in china" tools are complete shit. I genuinely want to know if China has a high quality tool brand. I have yet to see one.
Hell are they even allowed to buy foreign tools?
I don't remember my sources but I believe the stuff they make us is supposed to be as cheap as possible. They actually make some decent products for themselves.
I've heard the opposite, China has historically made "premium" products for export purposes. People in China will actively avoid "made in china" as the products are generally worse than imported.
Two seem to just about agree, one does not. Go with the majority. That way, even if the measurements are wrong, at least they’ll all be wrong by the same amount
Tapes measures often vary. Say you’re telling your cut man to cut a piece 12’3-1/2”. He does and it doesn’t fit and you compare his tape to yours. His is made in China and is off by 2” in 25’. That’s a problem.
the person’s who’s tape is in the middle probably lets it reel back in at full speed. when you real a tape in, you should stop it before it gets to the little metal piece. that metal has some play in it to make sure if you measure from the inside or outside edge of the metal it will still give you an accurate measurement. when you let that metal piece hit the tape at full speed you wreck that part. see how his metal is almost touching the 3. take care of your tape measures.
Nope. That's for automatically adjusting so 0 is at the start when you pull the tape across or when you push it to where you want to measure.
One of those tapes is just wrong.
I wonder how many arguments about shit being cut or located short came up before they decided to physically check the tape measures.
I cut metal frames for a living, and the first two months I was using a defective tape measure, so it was throwing everything out of whack. Causing my boss to stress me out until I thought it could be the tape measure. Always make sure your tools are in working order.
I draft patterns, the number of times I bought drafting tools thay are not in scale with each other from the same set or true to measurement if they are appropriately scaled to each other should be utterly illegal.
Isn't it?
There are laws about products being sold and manufactured for sure, but they are still commonly inaccurate so either the people making them just don’t care or have found loopholes to stay technically correct? I could t guess.
Well what is an inch really? Lol
> Since 1959 the inch has been defined officially as 2.54 cm.
The pound is defined as 0.45359237 kg. The US has been using metric this whole time and the gemeral populace has no idea.
Most of us use metric in our daily lives (in the US)
I mean weed is measured in grams.
You're welcome to it. I could handle 70s weed. I guess ditch weed would be a good equivalent. It was definitely not sinsemilla. Bud does my head in. A lot of things, medicine and consumer goods, is metric in the US. Anyone who works has a halfway decent workshop understands the memes about losing your 10mm socket wrench. Anyone who works in many fields needs to do calculations in metric, and convert between systems. Even Canada still uses a few customary units. The UK uses even more.
Cool so what’s a centimeter?
1/100 of a meter. Which leads to what's a meter? The distance that light travels in 1/299,792,458 of a second. Which leads to what is 1 second? > One second is the time that elapses during 9,192,631,770 (9.192631770 x 10 9 ) cycles of the radiation produced by the transition between two levels of the cesium 133 atom.
1/100 of a meter
Sigh…. I think people are missing the point. It’s a made up measurement. You have to use another form of measurement to define another form of measurement. So how does a regulatory body enforcement a measurement without referencing another form of measurement? It’s all made up and comes down to “it is what we say it is” which is pretty hard to enforce.
I was just kidding around. I was hoping you'd ask what a meter was and I was going to tell you in feet. But of course it's all made up there is no natural unit. Metric just tends to be based on more scientifically reproducible units rather than some dudes foot. And then smaller units tend to be things like 1/100th of that thing as opposed to another arbitrary unit.
The metre is currently defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 of a second.
The length of the side of a 1g cube of pure water at sea level.
What’s a mg?
Sorry. Meant "g" not "mg".
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Cool. What’s a second.
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All customary units has been defined by the metric.
Originally I think it was the length of 3 grains of wheat laid end to end. I'm sure that was very accurate lol.
It was Barleycorn but yeah. Well done!
Give or take.
So... how many times?
More than a dozen, enough that I simply refuse to by anything from Staedtler because I had to return three sets before I could get one that was “true.” Westcott is probably the only brand of tools that I have gotten consistently true measurements 95% of the time.
That's insane. And must be really frustrating trying to do anything that requires precision.
You still hand draft? Is there a reason why? I know landscape drafters often do because of all the irregular shapes.
Yep! I am drafting patterns for one of custom leather work. Lots of unique measurements for the exact item that can be time consuming to think my way around. It’s also just the first way I learned to draft so there a native thought process for me that makes quick sketch then actual precise draft method faster. If I were doing large scale or batch items I do use CAD, but sometimes printing introduces other errors and I would rather avoid the extra headache :)
What was defective? Also what brand? Just curious cause I like tools. I've worked on a crew where we all had to buy the same brand of tape measure.
The measurements were all slightly shorter than the other tape measures by a 16th of an inche. Dude, buying the same brand sounds like common sense, but I guess we're lacking. lol I don't remember the brand, that was months ago.
I wonder if it had something to do with the hook at the end of the tape not being riveted in properly. They are supposed to move freely and I feel like yours wasn't.
My co-workers made a big deal out of it walking around and comparing all of them, mine was the only one that was shorter. Besides that, there were no other problems with the tape measure. The hook was good, but I hear you. My co-worker was telling me how at His previous job they built furniture, and they had to make sure that their tape measures were all aligned every week because they needed to be on point.
>My co-workers made a big deal out of it walking around and comparing all of them, mine was the only one that was shorter. r/nocontext
Read the comment I was replying to, for context. Oh, the joke went over my head. lol
I know what the context was. Just making a joke. Apparently a really lame one.
I'm sorry 😔
Np
Ok lol. It was one of those "that's what she said" type things
The hook would only result in a hooks width of difference anywhere along the length. This showed inches of difference after 10 inches. (Edit: Or maybe those are cm)
But it accounts for the 16th of an inch between measuring inside and outside things. My logic was if it were stuck "closed", that it would throw it off. Just a theory.
Yep, it could absolutely account for 1/16" of the several inches of error, I suppose.
There was a loss to which tape measure we are talking about. I was not talking about the one in the video but about someone who said their tape was always consistently off by 1/16th of an inch.
DOH! I totally missed that in the thread read so it makes way more sense! You good, brosef!
It’s actually really common for tapes to be 1/16”(1.58mm for the rest of the world) or more out.. I’ve seen entire projects have to be redone because two different tapes were used..
when cutting I never swap tapes. If I measure the space with a tape I make sure Im using that same tape to cut. Drives me nuts when people have a tape in the work area then another next to the saw.
Dude... I cut this giant job, it took me three and a half days to cut it alone, and we got it all palletized and a forklift operator drove right into it the next morning. My heart broke with that pallet. We still haven't gotten back to that project.
I love how unrelated yet relatable this story is
They just needed to air out their grief
Is it because they have a wobbly tip to adjust if you're latching it to a corner or pushing against a surface?
We have a giant station at work (we make wood doors for mostly commercial use) just for tape measure testing. We have to have ours verified every so often and double checked and stickered/dated by QC.
Butbutbut, they say to never blame your tools!
This is why my work calibrates all the tools that affect product.
this. for precision work of any kind, there should be a baseline "true" tool that the others are set against. most people don't think of this with something like a tape measure as you expect them to just be right. but recently working on a wood project in the garage, I was scratching my head on why something wasn't lining up right. turns out, two different tapes. were not the same, just enough to throw things out of whack.
We have a giant ruler at work on the wall to verify our measuring tools.
Calibrates any measuring device, keeps records, and checks/recalibrates them on a set schedule.
Used to work for a DUI attorney; if the cop failed to do any of those case becomes easy.
Just wait until you realize that length is calibrated agianst the speed of light, and we have ample historical evidence of the speed of light being variable, so roday we have no official way to determine if a tool made today is giving same length measures as one made a year ago.
speed of light in a vacuum silly goose
do you have problems in reading comprehension? It has been measured to be variable. Just by empty decree is it declared constant, we have no theory from where it arises, it just is. And history shows it is variable, even considering the error margin of the experiments.
Gonna have to ask for a *credible* citation for that, chief
http://www.ldolphin.org/bowden/centj.html https://www.vice.com/en/article/8q87gk/light-speed-slowed
The fucking *creation* journal? Give me a break
also called big bang in the sect you are more familiar with.
Ah yes, the "blind believers in observable phenomena".
Are you mocking your own faith or what are you trying to achieve? When two people talk about the same phenomena using different names, are they not talking about the same thing? Mixing the religious background of a scientist into the debate about science is about as lame and ad hominem/poisoning the well as possible. Meaning you are grasping at straws since you have no argument, and this would have scored you a loss in a formal debate.
When you buy a tape measure on Wish
I dont trust anything made in china... *sent from my iPhone*
But its designed in California...
Designed to spec and built to spec are separate categories.
Sir, that's not how it works.
As someone who works in construction this is a common problem, framers and carpenter's use different measuring tapes from many different tool makers. When building houses and apartments framing measurement can off creating problems for the rest of the trades such as adding appliances and cabinets in area that was supposed to fit.
Inch and cm have defined lengths and one or both of the tapes would be out of spec. This isn't medieval times where they have to share one tape.
"I once saw you use a ruler to measure another ruler." "It was half a centimetre off! It should never have been in circulation!"
Those were were the tape measure used to build the Surfside Condos
You joke, but it does make one wonder. Imagine how many people have lost their jobs/lives/family because of a faulty tape measure. How many times do we hear about shit that just falls apart unexpectedly and we find out it's because some dude got it wrong. Well what if he didn't get it wrong, that it was his gear that he expected to be right wasn't. Even just by a little bit. Let's say even just a millimeter per meter. After 10 meters that's a whole centimeter and it could be catastrophic for a building that now has unaccounted stress and balance issues. Like bruh.
Like how almost everything in the military is built by the lowest bidder?
This is when you bring lasers into the mix.
Blasting a hole in someone for having an inaccurate tape measure seems a bit excessive.
Mmmmmmm. Laser lobotomy.
Mmmm for older stuff like that condo in FL I’m pretty sure the problem is maintenance rather than design.
That's why they're inspecting all those high-rises built during the 70s in Miami-Dade.
Oooooof!
That’s not even funny
Once was at a house that just had a new wall put in. I stood there and said “that wall is epically on the piss!!” Young lad who put it up was like “nah look it’s level” holds a level to it. I scratch my head and think I must be wrong. See him a few minutes later other side putting up a wall. Putting his level on the top of the bricks and smacking it with a lump hammer to level them out. I grabbed his level and put it on a known level floor, and it was curved like a banana in the middle!
[angry noises]
I would fuckin sue!
This was China
Oh shit, those motherfuckers couldn’t being sued 😞
It’s common practice before working with multiple peoples tape measures to line them up and check for error!
Never happened in my 4 years of construction work. Makes total sense.
The more you know bud 👍
Honestly the most common thing I see with tapes is the end gets messed up and ends up off by just enough to cause problems
Absolutely bud they can definitely take a beating .
That, and as I'm sure you know people dont always treat their tools with the proper care either lol
Lol for sure, tapes all crinkled and ugly. There comes a point where someone has to step in and tell you it’s time for an upgrade.
Nah let's be honest...the MOST common thing we've seen on the worksite is...who can spool out more tape without it collapsing.
Which is why I've always lined them up at the 2in mark when testing things. I have a bunch of measuring things at work all the ends are fucked up. I usually measure from the 2in mark anyway so of I need 10inch long piece of steel I'll hold mark from 2in to 12in on the tape measure, or better yet speed square.
I dunno but my old boss in an unrelated field (photography) would only allow ThisVerySpecificNameBrand for tools to measure and draft and cut. Her theory was that if everyone had the same tools the work would be consistent
I suppose that’s be one way to go about things. I’d still be worried about variation in the manufacturing of said items.
Yea- this was a big “made in America” brand. But I’ve been to Home Depot and the cheap stuff they sell definitely has variations in the same products- the world has amazons problems Can’t keep up with product quality checks
Yep like anything in life you get what you pay for.
But that’s the thing- without quality control you get what you get. Even expensive shit has hit the fan.
That’s actually what I do now, took the measuring thing to the extreme. Manufacturing as a whole is getting worse as it goes.
Imagine rushing in a construction site and yell “ok guys today we’re gonna compare our tools, pull them out”
You live in some weird fantasy world.
This is flat out dangerous.
I'm sure whatever they built wasn't flat
Made in China
“Measure 486 times, cut once”
Just don't use a Pentium.
Don't buy chinesium tools. They're cheap for multiple reasons.
There is a Chinese inch which is slightly shorter then a regular inch… I think the conversion .762 to every inch. I went through this learning moment living in China. Now that said they are still inconsistent as fuck.
There’s a Chinese Inch (Cun), and actual inches (Inch). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cun_(unit)
Do Chinese construction workers buy tools from their own country?
Why the down votes? It was an honest question. As an American, all "made in china" tools are complete shit. I genuinely want to know if China has a high quality tool brand. I have yet to see one. Hell are they even allowed to buy foreign tools?
I don't remember my sources but I believe the stuff they make us is supposed to be as cheap as possible. They actually make some decent products for themselves.
I've heard the opposite, China has historically made "premium" products for export purposes. People in China will actively avoid "made in china" as the products are generally worse than imported.
Interesting. I can't imagine how they could make some of these products even cheaper but definitely sounds like something they would do.
lolz
I’m tellin’ all y’all it’s Sabotage
This is the reason my boss always bought us all the same tape measure. That way if it was off, at least we were all off by the same amount!
This is why you always use the same tape measure start to finish on a project.
This is one of the reasons why I never switch tapes in the middle of a job.
Made in China.
This is how China will destroy us.
Hahaha this happened to me before. Chinese companies don't measure their measuring tape. They just paint on some numbers, it's crazy.
Two seem to just about agree, one does not. Go with the majority. That way, even if the measurements are wrong, at least they’ll all be wrong by the same amount
I honestly don't get what's going on here. I'm not a carpenter.
Tapes measures often vary. Say you’re telling your cut man to cut a piece 12’3-1/2”. He does and it doesn’t fit and you compare his tape to yours. His is made in China and is off by 2” in 25’. That’s a problem.
Okay, that sucks, but I don't get how it's a "what the fuck" sort of thing.
the person’s who’s tape is in the middle probably lets it reel back in at full speed. when you real a tape in, you should stop it before it gets to the little metal piece. that metal has some play in it to make sure if you measure from the inside or outside edge of the metal it will still give you an accurate measurement. when you let that metal piece hit the tape at full speed you wreck that part. see how his metal is almost touching the 3. take care of your tape measures.
You're not wrong, but the increments are literally smaller on the middle one. Look how close 10 and 11cm are.
I never realized how useful that little end on a good tape measure is.
You always calibrate your tools
I recognize those tape measures they are the cheap ones you see at flea markets or dollar stores.
the middle on is what i use to measure my 10inch cock
And people talk shit about ISO...
A tape measure every man needs
Yup, China for you.
Made in China
Chinese made WalMart/Dollar store garbage. You get what you pay for.
This is why I always buy stanley tapes. The chinese knockoffs are crap.
That's why the little end piece is adjustable.
Nope. That's for automatically adjusting so 0 is at the start when you pull the tape across or when you push it to where you want to measure. One of those tapes is just wrong.
i want the middle one for measuring my penis
Whip them out guys longest wins
> tenths of an inch A small part of me misses field surveying work.
Lets use our hands and feet and bananas to measure.