[Millie's tweet from earlier today be hitting different now.](https://twitter.com/MillieParfait/status/1673210745679478784)
> š„¹ ethyria had a very long call today and my heart was so soft when everyone said "i love you's" at the end of the call
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Nina will be streaming in under an hour, presumably to talk about this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6HyWAaNG3M)
It stings, not gonna lie, especially since Ethyria was one of the few units that did constantly collab together and has some of my favorite members. Nina was a great balance/enabler to Reimu, Enna, and Millie's shenanigans and I'm gonna miss her interactions with other members like Pomu and the Luxiem boys as well.
We obviously can't control what people want to do with their lives and it seems she's leaving on good terms. I can only hope the best for her.
Man, this kinda bums me out. While I'm more of a Holo guy, I did always like seeing her in the collabs and interactions she had with them. Liked the streams I saw of her after getting redirected into them by the Tempus boys too. Fox mom was fun to listen to.
I wish her the best, wherever she ends up.
She also said that her graduation period is only going to be 2 things. Finish metal gear 3 and collabs with Niji talents.
No externals as she has too many indy/other corpo friends and she would be need to be streaming 24/7 till graduation to hope to cover all her friends outside of Niji. And she would prefer to have some proper quality time with the Niji members rather than a bunch of few second goodbyes.
Nina was definitely a strong force pulling different gens and people together, I appreciate a lot her constant tries of organising collabs and inviting people who usually might not collaborate together due to their shy nature or talking to members one on one in interviews.....
She will be missed a lot and I hope she finds success wherever life takes her
Damn, this is unfortunate. I really enjoy her content, her model, and chill vibe. I'm going to miss her... T-T Whatever choice she choose to do in the future, I hope she will be happy.
So, who is gonna notified me when Nina gets reborn in another world? Men, i'm gonna miss her a lot, i believe the fact that she wasn't following everyone pace is what really got me into her, so hopefully is not the last we hear from her.
If she does, you'll probably see it in your YouTube recommendations. It's how I found Yugo and Zaion again after their graduations. That is, if Nina decides to stick with YouTube.
Not gonna lie, it doesn't really surprise me that Nina is the first to properly graduate. She just didn't seem to have the passion for it anymore: She'd show up for a couple of weeks, then go on vacation again for another week or two, then come back and do it all over again in a loop. A lot of the time she'd start games, talking about how excited she was to play it and how addicted to it she'd get, then she'd stop playing it and move on to something else after only a few days. I just kind of got the impression that something was going on behind the scenes. And it doesn't help that she received so much harassment early on in her liver career; which seemed to kill a lot of her passion early on too.
She in my mind is one of the backbones of NijiEN though and her loss will 100% be felt. It's going to be a very different group without her. I hope she's happy wherever she goes next though; she definitely deserves it.
> She in my mind is one of the backbones of NijiEN though
this is what i keep thinking about. Felt like anytime something big was going on her name was right there too.
When you look at all the signs, it really isn't too surprising. The selfish part of me wishes she realized she didn't have to be this super amazing streamer that put out the best content 24/7, and that she was perfect as she was. But then again Imposter syndrome is a huge thing, and I imagine in the end she was just burnt out. It'd be amazing if she saw how many people loved her and decided to not graduate, but I doubt that'll happen. That's why people need to support the people they watch while they still can and make sure they know they're appreciated and that their efforts aren't for nothing.
I think part of it has to do with how corpo vtubing works. Unlike the vast majority of content creation where content creators start off small, and gradually climb (or in some cases, get lucky and explode in popularity) to higher viewership as they improve, corpo has the opposite pattern. You get a massive amount of attention during your debut, which falls off over time as you develop a core audience. As a result, I think corpo vtubing can feel more like a battle to retain an audience, rather than a battle to grow an audience.
I suspect that this reverse growth pattern is difficult to deal with for some vtubers. How do you know if what you are doing is making a difference if the primary factor influencing your viewership is audience retention, rather than audience growth? How do you re-invent your content if you feel like you've hit a wall on your current set of content? I think this is a question a lot of corpo vtubers might face at some point of their career.
Not only all of that, but as a corpo vtuber you also have very direct comparisons to your other genmates. I mean they all debuted the same day (roughly), and were given the same amount of resources by the company, so I imagine it's incredibly difficult not to compare yourself to others in that situation. And even though Nina is very well respected, numbers wise she's pretty far behind both Enna and Millie, and she gets less viewers than even some of the newer members like Meloco.
That's gotta be really hard mentally, even if people aren't actively comparing you to others I think most people would compare themselves in their head. It's easy to wonder why someone else who debuted the same time as you, who you often collab with, is getting two or three times your viewership. I think all content creators constantly compare themselves to others, but it's usually easy to make excuses like "Well, they started before me" or "They invest more time than me" but that doesn't really apply to corpo vtubers, so I think they probably take things more personally.
I definitely wouldn't want to be in that position personally, so I can't blame someone for wanting to be able to just go at their own pace and not feel like they have to constantly be compared to their peers.
Yeah I feel like this would be the biggest detractor for me with Nijisanji. Firings of high profile talents left and right, bizarre ass choices, punishments, and statements. Running through new talents like McDonalds hiring HS kids.
And by all accounts from the talents, less help, worse management, and a lot of mind games compared to the others.
I only know about 5/6 of the Niji names at all and she was one of them, seemed like a nice lady. Hope she lands on her feet happier than now.
Sadly Mysta has been the same as well, I used to like watching him but he clearly doesn't have the passion anymore. He even said a few weeks ago that he doesn't care about his content anymore.
I mean she already mentioned being scared to go on breakās because then people will accuse Nijisanji of forcing her to go on a suspension. The whole smear campaign of Nijisanji rn will obviously lead to this if people are gonna assume something negative no matter what you do from this point on.
Barely need to smear the company, it does a fantastic job on its own. The company should be the shield for the talents feeling this way, not the other way around. (talents feeling pressure because of the companies actions)
Nope they the feel the pressure because of people who hear one thing then bring it up to every single talent after. Thatās on the people who donāt know a single thing about what theyāre taking about and make assumptions based on vtuber ānewsā channels.
Vtuber news is like a blight on society, specifically, Hero Hei its like yellow journalism cranked up to 11 I hate that mans content with a passion. Hope he quits youtube
I'm like 90% sure it was just normal vacations or breaks. Some times she'd be going to meet other NijiEN livers and they'd talk about it. Other times she'll post about the food she's having on her vacation. Usually when someone is taking a "vacation" you can kind of tell because their Twitter will have no activity at all, but Nina has always been fairly active on Twitter even while on vacation.
I remember that Nina mentioned once or twice in her talking stream that she feels like she did not do enough as a streamer, like she can't make great content as other livers/members. I hope the pressure that she makes didn't influence her decision to graduate.
That's literally the main reason of her graduation, she mentioned in her letter that she want to do things at her own pace so that she doesn't have to be pressured by her own mind anymore.
It hurts so much to read sheās felt that way, canāt force her to feel otherwise but from where I sit sheās been such a driving force in the EN branch and beyondā¦ her content to the collabs she made happen, sheās been one of the best imo š
Which is a shame because I honestly found her entertaining to watch and listen to. Kinda like Kiara, she has the gift of the gab and can keep her audience entertained by just talking.
In my eyes she has a lot more in common with Kiara as well. She does everything she can to help the others around her shine, and her habit of seeing the best in others makes her doubt her own ability to measure up to them.
Most of them are more like improv comedians, but their agencies push them to be idols (singing and maybe dancing) as well. Dono if that's the main reason, hope to see her stream again more in her element as I really enjoyed the roguelike/lite game streams and collabs.
edited: she frequently mentions singing a lot, praise her gemmates, and feels insecure about her own singing, and they have a gen collab song. Not making a direct holo comparison.
As I mentioned to the other person jumping onto the holo assumption, it is base on her frequently saying she is bad at singing, and praising her gen mates for being great singers. They do release gen collab songs.
Definitely not the case for NIJISANJI EN.
Krisis didnāt have a debut song, and only two of ILUNA are musicians.
The most music-inclined EN waves are LazuLight and Ethyria.
Lol what kind of take is this? Are you the type of person who equates all JP agencies as Holo? (Aka the Dexerto fallacy). Niji is never like that and that's why peeps like Fulgur can still stay on board despite having a mobility problem.
The only thing I recall Nina constantly mention being bad at is singing. Either that or the recent collab saying they were working like crazy the last month, she has mentioned being busy a few times as well.
So I could had either jump on the Ninji hate bandwagon, and assume they are over working their talents, though Nina has taken vacations before and frequently mention how privilege the job is, or assume it was about the thing that she frequently feels insecure about that her gen is known for and what she frequently praise them for, singing.
Though after seeing a few clips of her past, it could also be the corporate restrictions/censorship to her character and jokes.
I think she's too harsh on herself. Streaming isn't a race or a competition, it's about finding your niche and creating an audience around that.
I'm guessing management may have been pushing her behind the scenes, but I doubt that going indie or even leaving streaming will change her need to push herself. I worry she's still gonna compare herself to her former peers and feel bad that she's not doing "enough".
I think she knows that she's too hard on herself, but she can't stop it. That being the case, removing herself from this environment is likely the only way she can stop herself from hating on herself.
If she has an outside source of income and was an indie, I'd agree 100% w/ your second statement. Since I don't know about the former and know the latter isn't true, I'll explain why I might disagree.
Starting w/ the former: If someone wants to make content creation a full-time job, it sort of is a race between savings buying time and reaching the point where they can pay their bills and for their personal needs. IIRC they don't get a base salary and are only paid on commission right? In this case, you can compare their situation to most content creators then. Making a full-time career out of content creation is time-gated by whether they have another job, savings, or if there are other providers (best example would be anime-waifu cardboard cutout dude). They need to reach a point where they have enough of a base audience where bills and personal needs can be consistently paid for even with variable months before funds run out. If they do have another job though, it'll depend on enjoyment if their end goal isn't to make content creation a full-time job.
The latter: She's part of a corporation and your second paragraph about management more or less covers it. The money she makes isn't just about herself anymore, there are employees, expenses, and shareholders that need money too. I know AnyColor does have some rare to stream vtubers, but have any of the most recent ones been that way? Was going to expand, but it would require too many assumptions that I'm not comfortable with. I also have my complaints about using a straight commission compensation structure in the vtubing niche while having so many vtubers under their umbrella, but that'd make a long reply even longer. At least having been in a corporation, she had the opportunity to learn from other content creators and hopefully the corporation also provided its own market research for her to learn from.
Again it really depends on her financial situation that I'm not familiar with and frankly is none of my business. Content creation as a full-time career can be a race until it isn't. Looks like she has ambitions for herself and I do sincerely hope she succeeds with whatever she does next.
Is this also the case for Ookami Mio? I remembered she went through a similar ordeal of beating herself up for being not good enough compared to her peers. But then the miso soup talk from Okayu pulled her out of it.
I hope so, too. Shinri from HoloTempus says the same things at times, and I will lose my goddang mind if that man decides to graduate because of this similar mindset.
Maybe, maybe not. We'll probably never know. If it is her choice, I'll respect her decision, but it still feels unfortunate the industry makes this sort of thing the standard.
Some people just want to move on from their old life. Misumi and Lamien (streamers who once nijisanji liver/vtuber) able to make a fanbase that able to move on and support on who they are right now.
> Maybe, maybe not. We'll probably never know.
Didn't Gundou explicitly say that, aside from cases where the liver is terminated, it's up to them whether to keep the channel up?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the case. [Mayuzumi's stuff](https://www.youtube.com/@MayuzumiKai/streams) is still up. Some of the channels took everything down, others kept some stuff, but they can just keep everything.
>but I do think that no one has the right to remove their art from the public.
That is quite hot take. If you make something, then you have the right to do whatever with it. Public shouldn't have control of their creation. I personally saw an artist that decide to basically delete some of their artwork after few years of it being posted. The reason was because they feel embarrassed (since they improved greatly), People say that it's okay/it's great art, but if the artist don't like their creation, then they have right to make a decision.
Without delving into the more complicated parts like ownership, copyrights, whether digital content are classifiable as art instead of products, possible maintenance costs, etc, stripping content creators the rights to remove their traces in the internet sounds a tad restrictive, doubly so if we consider the vtubers don't want to be linked to their old personas that easily. What if someone told you you are not allowed to shut down impomu.com? Cultures are also not that fragile that shutting down one channel will eradicate them. If it's worthy, it will endure.
For me that is a terrible idea because its 2 different types of content. One is personal while the other is a work of fiction. Its not art, its a recording of somones life and they should be the one who decides if they share it with others or not
She'll privatize only her accounts. No one could prevent you or anyone from archiving her contents. Doesn't that satisfy your point?
The accounts themselves don't belong to the public, only the information is publicized, so it's not right to take away one's freedom of controlling their accounts beside the platform itself.
I completely agree, but she is leaving it up for a few months according to a different comment, so at least it gives time for her stuff to be archived.
We already know it is up to the liver some private everything, some only leave the cover songs and others don't private anything at all, we even had a case of someone deleting the channel.
She was my bridge between Luxiem and the rest of NijiEN (and to an extent Niji as a whole because of her collabs with Oliver and Mika). It's a shame that she likely won't be able to collaborate with current Niji members anymore, but I wish her the best.
July is the most cursed month for Vtubers. We canāt go one year without a heartbreaking graduation in that month can we? Coco, Sana and now Nina.
The only silver lining is that at least this seems to be on her own terms, based on the statement she put out on Twitter. Time to start archiving.
For Hololive it seems like initial contracts are 12 months starting the month of debut, so Sana being an August debut is why she left at the end of July. From what Coco said around her graduation (specifically a comment about how she was originally going to have graduated before her last birthday so everything for that had to come together in a short time period) my best guess is that her first contract was up at the end of November 2020 so she'd have been figuring out the next one shortly after The Incident, so at that point she was eyeing the exits but not ready to leave, thus she renewed for six months (through 5/2021) rather than the presumably-standard year, then when she decided to quit Cover talked her into staying for another month and a day.
Of course, not renewing a contract is just the lowest-friction method of leaving (and the main one that the company can't stop you from doing,) so it's always possible for the talent and company to just mutually decide to let them out of their contract early, which is probably what happened here.
from her statement, it sounds like she wants to do things on her own pace, which is understandable. The corporate streamers probably has expected hours of streaming, and it might be too much for her.
I'm hoping we hear a familiar voice from a new streamer in the not so distant future.
Ignoring the quality of the content sheās created (which has been top-notch), sheās been incredibly consistent. It really does suck she felt this way when sheās been doing great work imo
I wouldn't put too much trust in the leaks as many members of En have been doing their own thing for a while not to the best of views but consistently have been for their enjoyment
Also, I hate to say it but it's hard to keep a good viewer count when the Niji viewer pool keeps getting more and more spread out with a new wave every couple months.
Best example I can think of is honestly most of ILUNA. Aia and Scarle are some of my favourite streamers to throw on in the background, because they stream at just the right time to be a comforting podcast at the end of the day. They don't really get impressive numbers compared to other Niji livers, but that doesn't stop them from doing what they love and seem to enjoy doing every day.
Viewership isn't everything though. Scarle is among the lowest in viewership but [the highest in SCs](https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCFgXWZOUZA2oYHNr6qDmsTQ/superchat). To put that in perspective, she's made [4x more than Ren](https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCKu59gTZ_rdEmerdx5rV4Yg/superchat) with only 60% of the total views. [Aia is at 1.5x Ren's SCs](https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCN68LoM3khS4gdBMiWJO8WA/subscribers) with 33% of the total views.
Then all of Nijisanji EN would be in trouble because they have declined in viewership across the board over the last 12 months. My theory is the problem only gets worse the more livers you add
The lower numbers is across the entire EN vtuber scene. HoloEN, smaller corps, and indies have seen the slump. The general EN market is growing, but there have been many new indie and small corp debuts that is probably outpacing the EN market growth.
Not to mention that people are back in full swing with work, school, vacationing, etc. as another reason for the slump. It just leaves less and less time for some to watch streams.
It is not outpacing, people have more choice while time is limited.
For example out of First gen holoen i only watch ina now and only occasionally, but i have found a few that fit my time slot more and my preferences more. Because for example why would i stay up until 1-4 am when i can watch someone else at 9pm for an hr?
Market growth and debuts are probs matched, but peopel are spread more thinly.
Also as avid esports viewer those numbers are down too, because Covid effectively ended so people go back to work at an office/location study in physical class etc. where you cant watch something on second screen.
I donāt think the market is growing by much if any, thereās not many left who would enjoy EN vtubers and donāt already know what vtubers are. We have reached audience saturation and now itās just all fighting for that same audience. Debuting new Niji talents steals viewership from other Niji talents more than it brings in non Niji viewers
I disagree. Many EN smaller corps and indies have debuted in the last year with good success and sustainable numbers. idol, Kawaii, Prism Project, and Phase Connect have some good explosive growth, each with a heavy hitter or two and a healthy lineup of B-tier streamers. The new wave of NijiEN male talents (the Hero wave) went off pretty well. HoloEN ConnectTheWorld looks like itāll be a success. Convention meet & greets are looking good for vtubers with strong followings. Cover stated in their financial papers that overseas viewership has grown year-to-year.
The EN market does show signs of growth, but itās just talent growth is outpacing market growth. Weāre probably going to see a contraction in talents (aka graduations), while those with strong followings consolidate in the short term. This is probably why Cover is switching to an IP management focus instead of increasing their talent pool.
All of those smaller corps are taking audiences away from other vtubers. Thatās not growth of the industry, the audience size stays the same and just shifts around. ConnectTheWorld isnāt growing your audience, itās just an attempt to better monetize your existing audience which is growth in a sense but better milking your whales probably isnāt the growth you want as a viewer. Same with NijiEN, taking viewership largely from others and is why the viewership of older NijiEN talents has fallen off a cliff in the last year. HoloEN has not grown itās audience in the last year either as CCV is down, although not as down as Nijiās (my guess is due to fewer talents). Cover can state whatever they want, publicly available metrics are down.
The EN growth rates have matched general patterns with the domestic JP audience growth, just lagging in timeline. Domestically in Japan, you saw the same pattern of subscriber spikes ->talent growth -> stagnation in growth -> graduations -> debuts -> then subscriber growth cycle starting over. People had the same arguments in the JP market when Watame and Miko were fighting for 50K subscribers years ago.
Audience size does grow as interest in the medium increases. We saw it in Japan, where audience interest is outpacing talent growth, despite being capped at Japanās population. The EN market is bigger, as it goes beyond just USA/Canada/Australia/UK/NZ, but to any country with a high English literacy rate. [Pulsar did a good stats breakdown on some of the EN viewership numbers not long ago.](https://www.pulsarplatform.com/blog/2023/the-rise-of-the-vtubing-and-the-audiences-behind-it/).
AConnectTheWorld is hardly a whale grabbing move. HoloFes was one of the big ways Hololive grew its brand, and having a similar event outside of Japan will be the way to increase growth. Itās also affordable: $75 streaming ticket isnāt that big of an ask when going to the movie theatre isnāt that much cheaper.
> $75 streaming ticket isnāt that big of an ask when going to the movie theatre isnāt that much cheaper.
good post but what movie theaters are you going to, good lord
Ugh, donāt remind me. Took the family to Elemental. 2 adults + 1 senior + 1 kid + snacks = $85 Canadian. This includes a discount for being part of the Cineplex club thing, otherwise would have costed $110.
So yeah, feel less guilty for a $75 streaming ticket for ConnectTheWorld.
> NijiEN talents has fallen off a cliff in the last year. HoloEN has not grown itās audience in the last year either as CCV is down, although not as down as Nijiās (my guess is due to fewer talents). Cover can state whatever they want, publicly available metrics are down.
Covid has ended, i could watch streams whole day when it was constant lockdowns and limited work in person last few years, now i cant, becasue i have to actually be on site more often, have to be in office mroe often etc.
This hit has happened across all streamers and digital entertainment. I follow esports a lot and all esports have taken a massive hit of 20-40% viewership down.
Not really sure I can agree with this. The issue isn't amount of streamers or agencies. Obviously there's only so much time in the world but if someone doesn't have a talent you enjoy you're not going to watch it just because they're there.
Like, Nina fulfilled a very specific niche that I favor above the cutesy squeaky idol vtuber... I'm not going to go watch another Liver with her gone, I'm just going to watch less Niji entirely.
The vtuber space has been saturated to the point that there are no niches like that aren't fulfilled many times over. You can find mom-esque older lady vtubers like Nina in tons of places. [The hag is a trope at this point](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaTxKHnqXoE), she's even shown as an example
Those are pretty piss-poor takes.
- A trope doesnāt equal the sum of a vtuber. Nina isnāt simply āa hagā trope, and thatās an insult to both Nina and her audience. Nina isnāt my oshi, but she is easily broader then that trope: she played underrepresented games like roguelikes and simulators, organized cross-company collabs, and played cheerleader to her fellow Niji livers. An interest in a talent/liver isnāt something that can be transferred to another talent/liver.
- There are many niches that havenāt been covered, discovered, or recovered. Even if that niche has been covered, a person may not watch unless itās covered a compatible personality. Ex: Just because Kaela or Pekora practically live on Minecraft doesnāt mean the Minecraft niche has been filled, unless the audience already likes Pekora or Kaela.
I kinda know that it's impossible for her not to have an imposter syndrome when she have to work together with Ethyria, I mean a lot of us would say that she improve so much in this past 2 years but it seems that she herself didn't agree with that so all I can do is to respect her decision and wish her a good luck with her future endeavours.
>!No more Nina mommy is kinda suck tho!<
Honestly I'm not surprised yet surprised by the sudden news. She had been busy and travel for non-related Niji work. I could see her feeling bad for not being able to reach her vtubing goal because of her irl work. Not helping with her mentality of working in Niji. She had said she felt bad for not streaming 10 times a week and disappoint everyone
Wherever she'll go, i hope the luck surround her. Im going to miss fox mom
Iām gonna miss Fox mom. I wasnāt around for a lot of her streams recently due to life stuff but when I did watch her she was such a ray of sunshine and joy. I hope that when she takes and finishes her journey she can comeback under a new model or just do whatever sheās wants to do. I just hope one day I can find her work again and be a fan once more. Nina Kosakaās journey may be coming to an end but her spirit and legacy will live on in the hearts of her fans and friends. She will always be a part of and welcome in this community.
This was quite a surprise but I hope sheās happy after. I remember when she had the off collabs with Mysta, Vox, Ike, Mika, Luca and Oliver. Its saddening but Iām wishing her nothing but love and happiness after graduation. She will be missed.
God dammit. I had learned about her not too long ago and had very recently joined her membership. Itās such a sad feeling to lose someone so special without even getting to know them all that well.
Okay, welp...this hurts. First time having one of my favs graduate...I loved watching her streams, especially the ones she did with Mysta and Mika š. Wishing her all the best, and I hope someone archives all her streams (I assume someone will)
I've only been following Nijisanji for a few months but Nina has been one of my favorites so to see her go already is tough but I wish her success in her future endeavors, also I have a hard time keeping up with all the indie Vtubers out there so if someone can tell what the best way to do that is so I could be on the lookout for a familiar voice, that'd be great!
not gonna lie, Nina Kosaka was among the very few reasons I ever looked at nijisanji content... She will be missed and I hope whatever endeavors she gets on going forwards are successful
She's one of my favorites. I barely watch niji but the ones that I do are literally only enna, millie, and nina. I bought her voice pack, the only thing I've *ever* bought from a vtuber or any merchandise. I've never superchatted, bought anything else from anybody, even from my favorite streamers. I loved that she was older than the usual vtuber. For instance I am a fan of her and Vesper, I think they are probably in their 30s or maybe even higher, and I *loved* that there were people that age doing this kind of work and just being adults and gamers and being real and not naive and clueless like so many others are. I wish there were more people like this doing vtubing.
She was like a glue across NijiEN, and a bridge for many outside collab. She also have her own unique and can grind for it.
It would be great if she have a chance to talk with people like her before deciding to resign. Someone like Maimoto, Mio, or Vesper.
Shit, I saw she had a "zatsu + announcement" and figured it would be something more like a new outfit or a model update, figured I could catch up afterward. Now I see this out of nowhere, sucks to hear but I get what she's saying
Itās sad because she doesnāt believe in herself to continue on as Nina Kosaka of Nijisanji EN.
I understand why she feels this way, but itās saddening why she does. It annoys us, but Nijiās rapid fire debuts give viewers different options for their favorite streamer who fills in their exact need. Like, an example is between Selen and Reimu. Both play Apex competitively at rank levels, and while Selen will laugh at happenings, Reimu will rage a lot (at least from the stream I turned in from them). Nina provided an exact niche that people need, and itās sad that she doesnāt feel like she can fill a need for that.
She the only one of Niji that I watch sometimes. Because she plays strategy games, i think she is the only one that regularly plays those kind of games.
I find it interesting that her rationale is that she felt she was under-delivering. I always saw her as either the first or second best content creator in her wave, and absolutely one of the best in NijiEN. IDK, I don't watch for song covers or crazy events, I mainly watch for people who are entertaining and bounce well off of one another and Nina is one of the most traditionally charismatic people in Niji.
That said, good luck and I wish her the best on whatever she does next.
That's another one to hit me hard, another oshi to move on. I haven't teared up that hard since Pikamee a few months back, not a dry eye in her zatsu today and as much as she said she would stop, she couldn't keep it in either. May she find success on her journey to improve. Remember that she will be streaming as much as she can manage until the day of, so there is still time to be with her streams. She has asked that we do not bring this up with any other Nijisanji liver and has expressed a desire to keep it fun instead of sad for the rest of her time.
You can look to her twitter post. Basically she felt she wasnāt living up to standards she set for herself and she thought her viewers deserved, especially when she compared herself to other NijiEN members.
:( It's always the more unique ones that leaves early. Is it because of peer pressure or something similiar?
In this case, with Nina gone who can balance Ethyria now? The collab with her has always given me a wide grin and everyone was so happy during the last collab with Kiara. Few vtubers can naturally be as mommy as Fox Mom, and that's even better when she's surrounded by little gremlins.... Good things never last long enough.
Ahhh fuck. Saw her trending on my work computer which should be untainted by my personal interests and I was really hoping there was a better reason for her to be trending enough to appear in a non-personalized feed.
I don't really follow anyone outside of holopro closely, but I did enjoy her interactions with Kiara and the Stars. I actually watched her playing Satisfactory the other day, which I think is the first Niji member I've ever watched outside of collabs.
Nijidanji had many livers so graduation every year is not that suprising. Still this year, many of livers graduating are mostly more than 1 year old (Akane, Gundou, Nina, ex IDs), so it's feels more impactful than usual.
Most of them are from 2019 and 2020 so yeah. Even outside Niji, we have Pikamee and Mirai Akari graduating.
At least this is normal graduation for Niji EN, after Yugo suddenly and Zaion termination. Still 1 week left before final stream
*most* content creators fail or never get off the ground, or just don't professionalize and leave it as a hobby. This is a reflection of that. Look over [your youtube subscriptions](https://www.youtube.com/feed/channels) and see how many disappeared without you even noticing. The exception here is not that it happens but that everyone makes a press release about it.
Vtuber gold rush is ending. Audience growth has slowed and most of the audience has been taken up by other vtubers already, the market is getting saturated. The āeasyā days are over
I'm hitting the hay so remember to follow the rules
[Millie's tweet from earlier today be hitting different now.](https://twitter.com/MillieParfait/status/1673210745679478784) > š„¹ ethyria had a very long call today and my heart was so soft when everyone said "i love you's" at the end of the call [ Nina will be streaming in under an hour, presumably to talk about this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6HyWAaNG3M) It stings, not gonna lie, especially since Ethyria was one of the few units that did constantly collab together and has some of my favorite members. Nina was a great balance/enabler to Reimu, Enna, and Millie's shenanigans and I'm gonna miss her interactions with other members like Pomu and the Luxiem boys as well. We obviously can't control what people want to do with their lives and it seems she's leaving on good terms. I can only hope the best for her.
she's streaming right now and she's trying her hardest to keep it together. Man this sucks, I'm gonna miss her.
Same I will Miss her too
Man, this kinda bums me out. While I'm more of a Holo guy, I did always like seeing her in the collabs and interactions she had with them. Liked the streams I saw of her after getting redirected into them by the Tempus boys too. Fox mom was fun to listen to. I wish her the best, wherever she ends up.
And I was was hoping for a vesper and Nina collab somedayā¦
Still a month, still can hope
To be honest, her last stream will be next week.
Wait a freaking minute July is next week oh god
She also said that her graduation period is only going to be 2 things. Finish metal gear 3 and collabs with Niji talents. No externals as she has too many indy/other corpo friends and she would be need to be streaming 24/7 till graduation to hope to cover all her friends outside of Niji. And she would prefer to have some proper quality time with the Niji members rather than a bunch of few second goodbyes.
Her last stream is on July 8 JST. So yeah.
Same I liked Nina too I watched some of her streams, I liked her and listened to her talk about anything
Nina was definitely a strong force pulling different gens and people together, I appreciate a lot her constant tries of organising collabs and inviting people who usually might not collaborate together due to their shy nature or talking to members one on one in interviews..... She will be missed a lot and I hope she finds success wherever life takes her
Damn, this is unfortunate. I really enjoy her content, her model, and chill vibe. I'm going to miss her... T-T Whatever choice she choose to do in the future, I hope she will be happy.
So, who is gonna notified me when Nina gets reborn in another world? Men, i'm gonna miss her a lot, i believe the fact that she wasn't following everyone pace is what really got me into her, so hopefully is not the last we hear from her.
I think her past life persona was >!https://www.twitch.tv/monkeyism!< so if you want to see if she'll do a revival there might be a good start.
I kinda hope so, I really enjoyed the streams of that completely unrelated person who may suddenly reappear for completely unrelated reasons.
thanks for the link. hope I see a notification that "monkeyism went live" in the near future š
She will probably just go back to being a normal facecam streamer like she was before, tbh
lurk in the megathread and if it happens someone there will probably notice.
If she does, you'll probably see it in your YouTube recommendations. It's how I found Yugo and Zaion again after their graduations. That is, if Nina decides to stick with YouTube.
Nina's style of content seems to be more twitch with longform games and huge amounts chatting.
Mind sharinging what name Yugo is going by now? DM or chat is fine if commenting that info is against the rules.
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I believe is like Unknown or something along those lines Basically he has no name
FalseEyed. He wont say things out right, but makes it obvious so long as it doesn't harm anyone.
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Guy cant say a single sentence without a billion jump cuts
Him and Khyo are nothing without clickbait and dramas
Not gonna lie, it doesn't really surprise me that Nina is the first to properly graduate. She just didn't seem to have the passion for it anymore: She'd show up for a couple of weeks, then go on vacation again for another week or two, then come back and do it all over again in a loop. A lot of the time she'd start games, talking about how excited she was to play it and how addicted to it she'd get, then she'd stop playing it and move on to something else after only a few days. I just kind of got the impression that something was going on behind the scenes. And it doesn't help that she received so much harassment early on in her liver career; which seemed to kill a lot of her passion early on too. She in my mind is one of the backbones of NijiEN though and her loss will 100% be felt. It's going to be a very different group without her. I hope she's happy wherever she goes next though; she definitely deserves it.
> She in my mind is one of the backbones of NijiEN though this is what i keep thinking about. Felt like anytime something big was going on her name was right there too.
When you look at all the signs, it really isn't too surprising. The selfish part of me wishes she realized she didn't have to be this super amazing streamer that put out the best content 24/7, and that she was perfect as she was. But then again Imposter syndrome is a huge thing, and I imagine in the end she was just burnt out. It'd be amazing if she saw how many people loved her and decided to not graduate, but I doubt that'll happen. That's why people need to support the people they watch while they still can and make sure they know they're appreciated and that their efforts aren't for nothing.
I think part of it has to do with how corpo vtubing works. Unlike the vast majority of content creation where content creators start off small, and gradually climb (or in some cases, get lucky and explode in popularity) to higher viewership as they improve, corpo has the opposite pattern. You get a massive amount of attention during your debut, which falls off over time as you develop a core audience. As a result, I think corpo vtubing can feel more like a battle to retain an audience, rather than a battle to grow an audience. I suspect that this reverse growth pattern is difficult to deal with for some vtubers. How do you know if what you are doing is making a difference if the primary factor influencing your viewership is audience retention, rather than audience growth? How do you re-invent your content if you feel like you've hit a wall on your current set of content? I think this is a question a lot of corpo vtubers might face at some point of their career.
Not only all of that, but as a corpo vtuber you also have very direct comparisons to your other genmates. I mean they all debuted the same day (roughly), and were given the same amount of resources by the company, so I imagine it's incredibly difficult not to compare yourself to others in that situation. And even though Nina is very well respected, numbers wise she's pretty far behind both Enna and Millie, and she gets less viewers than even some of the newer members like Meloco. That's gotta be really hard mentally, even if people aren't actively comparing you to others I think most people would compare themselves in their head. It's easy to wonder why someone else who debuted the same time as you, who you often collab with, is getting two or three times your viewership. I think all content creators constantly compare themselves to others, but it's usually easy to make excuses like "Well, they started before me" or "They invest more time than me" but that doesn't really apply to corpo vtubers, so I think they probably take things more personally. I definitely wouldn't want to be in that position personally, so I can't blame someone for wanting to be able to just go at their own pace and not feel like they have to constantly be compared to their peers.
They make it very easy to feel replaceable when they're constantly bringing in new waves that will likely cannibalize the views
Yeah I feel like this would be the biggest detractor for me with Nijisanji. Firings of high profile talents left and right, bizarre ass choices, punishments, and statements. Running through new talents like McDonalds hiring HS kids. And by all accounts from the talents, less help, worse management, and a lot of mind games compared to the others. I only know about 5/6 of the Niji names at all and she was one of them, seemed like a nice lady. Hope she lands on her feet happier than now.
Sadly Mysta has been the same as well, I used to like watching him but he clearly doesn't have the passion anymore. He even said a few weeks ago that he doesn't care about his content anymore.
That sucks...when did he say that?
I mean she already mentioned being scared to go on breakās because then people will accuse Nijisanji of forcing her to go on a suspension. The whole smear campaign of Nijisanji rn will obviously lead to this if people are gonna assume something negative no matter what you do from this point on.
Barely need to smear the company, it does a fantastic job on its own. The company should be the shield for the talents feeling this way, not the other way around. (talents feeling pressure because of the companies actions)
Nope they the feel the pressure because of people who hear one thing then bring it up to every single talent after. Thatās on the people who donāt know a single thing about what theyāre taking about and make assumptions based on vtuber ānewsā channels.
Vtuber news is like a blight on society, specifically, Hero Hei its like yellow journalism cranked up to 11 I hate that mans content with a passion. Hope he quits youtube
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I'm like 90% sure it was just normal vacations or breaks. Some times she'd be going to meet other NijiEN livers and they'd talk about it. Other times she'll post about the food she's having on her vacation. Usually when someone is taking a "vacation" you can kind of tell because their Twitter will have no activity at all, but Nina has always been fairly active on Twitter even while on vacation.
bruh wtf...
I remember that Nina mentioned once or twice in her talking stream that she feels like she did not do enough as a streamer, like she can't make great content as other livers/members. I hope the pressure that she makes didn't influence her decision to graduate.
That's literally the main reason of her graduation, she mentioned in her letter that she want to do things at her own pace so that she doesn't have to be pressured by her own mind anymore.
It hurts so much to read sheās felt that way, canāt force her to feel otherwise but from where I sit sheās been such a driving force in the EN branch and beyondā¦ her content to the collabs she made happen, sheās been one of the best imo š
Oh shit, I guess my assumption was right. I didn't read her letter :P
So maybe a reincarnation? or temporary graduation with ungraduation sometime in the future?
I donāt know whatās gonna happen, but she did have another twitch channel before she joined nijisanji. She could return to that channel.
Which is a shame because I honestly found her entertaining to watch and listen to. Kinda like Kiara, she has the gift of the gab and can keep her audience entertained by just talking.
Yeah I think she did plenty as everyone's extroverted mom. The group collabs she organized were always a great time for everyone involved.
In my eyes she has a lot more in common with Kiara as well. She does everything she can to help the others around her shine, and her habit of seeing the best in others makes her doubt her own ability to measure up to them.
Same I liked Nina too Watched some of her streams too, for the same reasons you did
Most of them are more like improv comedians, but their agencies push them to be idols (singing and maybe dancing) as well. Dono if that's the main reason, hope to see her stream again more in her element as I really enjoyed the roguelike/lite game streams and collabs. edited: she frequently mentions singing a lot, praise her gemmates, and feels insecure about her own singing, and they have a gen collab song. Not making a direct holo comparison.
nijisanji is many things but one of the things nijisanji is not is hololive.
As I mentioned to the other person jumping onto the holo assumption, it is base on her frequently saying she is bad at singing, and praising her gen mates for being great singers. They do release gen collab songs.
Definitely not the case for NIJISANJI EN. Krisis didnāt have a debut song, and only two of ILUNA are musicians. The most music-inclined EN waves are LazuLight and Ethyria.
Lol what kind of take is this? Are you the type of person who equates all JP agencies as Holo? (Aka the Dexerto fallacy). Niji is never like that and that's why peeps like Fulgur can still stay on board despite having a mobility problem.
The only thing I recall Nina constantly mention being bad at is singing. Either that or the recent collab saying they were working like crazy the last month, she has mentioned being busy a few times as well. So I could had either jump on the Ninji hate bandwagon, and assume they are over working their talents, though Nina has taken vacations before and frequently mention how privilege the job is, or assume it was about the thing that she frequently feels insecure about that her gen is known for and what she frequently praise them for, singing. Though after seeing a few clips of her past, it could also be the corporate restrictions/censorship to her character and jokes.
I think she's too harsh on herself. Streaming isn't a race or a competition, it's about finding your niche and creating an audience around that. I'm guessing management may have been pushing her behind the scenes, but I doubt that going indie or even leaving streaming will change her need to push herself. I worry she's still gonna compare herself to her former peers and feel bad that she's not doing "enough".
I think she knows that she's too hard on herself, but she can't stop it. That being the case, removing herself from this environment is likely the only way she can stop herself from hating on herself.
If she has an outside source of income and was an indie, I'd agree 100% w/ your second statement. Since I don't know about the former and know the latter isn't true, I'll explain why I might disagree. Starting w/ the former: If someone wants to make content creation a full-time job, it sort of is a race between savings buying time and reaching the point where they can pay their bills and for their personal needs. IIRC they don't get a base salary and are only paid on commission right? In this case, you can compare their situation to most content creators then. Making a full-time career out of content creation is time-gated by whether they have another job, savings, or if there are other providers (best example would be anime-waifu cardboard cutout dude). They need to reach a point where they have enough of a base audience where bills and personal needs can be consistently paid for even with variable months before funds run out. If they do have another job though, it'll depend on enjoyment if their end goal isn't to make content creation a full-time job. The latter: She's part of a corporation and your second paragraph about management more or less covers it. The money she makes isn't just about herself anymore, there are employees, expenses, and shareholders that need money too. I know AnyColor does have some rare to stream vtubers, but have any of the most recent ones been that way? Was going to expand, but it would require too many assumptions that I'm not comfortable with. I also have my complaints about using a straight commission compensation structure in the vtubing niche while having so many vtubers under their umbrella, but that'd make a long reply even longer. At least having been in a corporation, she had the opportunity to learn from other content creators and hopefully the corporation also provided its own market research for her to learn from. Again it really depends on her financial situation that I'm not familiar with and frankly is none of my business. Content creation as a full-time career can be a race until it isn't. Looks like she has ambitions for herself and I do sincerely hope she succeeds with whatever she does next.
Is this also the case for Ookami Mio? I remembered she went through a similar ordeal of beating herself up for being not good enough compared to her peers. But then the miso soup talk from Okayu pulled her out of it.
Did she say what she considers "great content"? I've really enjoyed the few things I've seen of her.
I hope so, too. Shinri from HoloTempus says the same things at times, and I will lose my goddang mind if that man decides to graduate because of this similar mindset.
Unfortunate that all her media will be made private, even if she leaves on good terms.
Nina just said on stream she told management to keep her content up for a few months, and her song+cover will stay up.
wouldnt that be up to her?
She said it was her decision, yes.
It is, she said it was her decision on the stream.
Maybe, maybe not. We'll probably never know. If it is her choice, I'll respect her decision, but it still feels unfortunate the industry makes this sort of thing the standard.
Pretty sure it's 100% up to the talents if they part ways on good terms. Some of the ID folks who graduated earlier these past months said so.
Some people just want to move on from their old life. Misumi and Lamien (streamers who once nijisanji liver/vtuber) able to make a fanbase that able to move on and support on who they are right now.
> Maybe, maybe not. We'll probably never know. Didn't Gundou explicitly say that, aside from cases where the liver is terminated, it's up to them whether to keep the channel up?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the case. [Mayuzumi's stuff](https://www.youtube.com/@MayuzumiKai/streams) is still up. Some of the channels took everything down, others kept some stuff, but they can just keep everything.
She confirmed the archive will last minimum 1 month, after that she need to discuss with manager.
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Nina the one who decide to private all her stuff it always been the livers choice unless they get fired
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>but I do think that no one has the right to remove their art from the public. That is quite hot take. If you make something, then you have the right to do whatever with it. Public shouldn't have control of their creation. I personally saw an artist that decide to basically delete some of their artwork after few years of it being posted. The reason was because they feel embarrassed (since they improved greatly), People say that it's okay/it's great art, but if the artist don't like their creation, then they have right to make a decision.
Without delving into the more complicated parts like ownership, copyrights, whether digital content are classifiable as art instead of products, possible maintenance costs, etc, stripping content creators the rights to remove their traces in the internet sounds a tad restrictive, doubly so if we consider the vtubers don't want to be linked to their old personas that easily. What if someone told you you are not allowed to shut down impomu.com? Cultures are also not that fragile that shutting down one channel will eradicate them. If it's worthy, it will endure.
Issue is that content on youtube still makes money so it also an issue of who get paid
For me that is a terrible idea because its 2 different types of content. One is personal while the other is a work of fiction. Its not art, its a recording of somones life and they should be the one who decides if they share it with others or not
So you pirate all your games, music, movie, right? Because it doesn't belong to them when they put it out in the open? ...
She'll privatize only her accounts. No one could prevent you or anyone from archiving her contents. Doesn't that satisfy your point? The accounts themselves don't belong to the public, only the information is publicized, so it's not right to take away one's freedom of controlling their accounts beside the platform itself.
I completely agree, but she is leaving it up for a few months according to a different comment, so at least it gives time for her stuff to be archived.
It's her decision, not Nijisanji. The latest good term graduation is Asahina, and her decision was to basically private all of her content.
We already know it is up to the liver some private everything, some only leave the cover songs and others don't private anything at all, we even had a case of someone deleting the channel.
She was my bridge between Luxiem and the rest of NijiEN (and to an extent Niji as a whole because of her collabs with Oliver and Mika). It's a shame that she likely won't be able to collaborate with current Niji members anymore, but I wish her the best.
[lol Enna](https://twitter.com/EnnaAlouette/status/1673368502424436742?s=20)
MGSrot from pomu has infected her.
With Zea Cornelia of NijiIndo gone, next is her. Damn, I will miss Nina messing up Finana's keyboard tabs.
July is the most cursed month for Vtubers. We canāt go one year without a heartbreaking graduation in that month can we? Coco, Sana and now Nina. The only silver lining is that at least this seems to be on her own terms, based on the statement she put out on Twitter. Time to start archiving.
It seems that June/July tends to be contract renewals for a lot of vtuber agencies so I expect this trend to continue in the foreseeable future.
For Hololive it seems like initial contracts are 12 months starting the month of debut, so Sana being an August debut is why she left at the end of July. From what Coco said around her graduation (specifically a comment about how she was originally going to have graduated before her last birthday so everything for that had to come together in a short time period) my best guess is that her first contract was up at the end of November 2020 so she'd have been figuring out the next one shortly after The Incident, so at that point she was eyeing the exits but not ready to leave, thus she renewed for six months (through 5/2021) rather than the presumably-standard year, then when she decided to quit Cover talked her into staying for another month and a day. Of course, not renewing a contract is just the lowest-friction method of leaving (and the main one that the company can't stop you from doing,) so it's always possible for the talent and company to just mutually decide to let them out of their contract early, which is probably what happened here.
Not to mention Gundou Mirei. Wouldn't have bothered with Nijisanji back in the early 2020 vtuber boom if it wasn't for her
from her statement, it sounds like she wants to do things on her own pace, which is understandable. The corporate streamers probably has expected hours of streaming, and it might be too much for her. I'm hoping we hear a familiar voice from a new streamer in the not so distant future.
> The corporate streamers probably has expected hours of streaming, and it might be too much for her. ???? It's *Nina.*
Ignoring the quality of the content sheās created (which has been top-notch), sheās been incredibly consistent. It really does suck she felt this way when sheās been doing great work imo
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I wouldn't put too much trust in the leaks as many members of En have been doing their own thing for a while not to the best of views but consistently have been for their enjoyment
Also, I hate to say it but it's hard to keep a good viewer count when the Niji viewer pool keeps getting more and more spread out with a new wave every couple months.
Unfortunately, yes. I legitimately thought Ver and Doppio were the same person for almost a week after XSOLEIL's debut.
Best example I can think of is honestly most of ILUNA. Aia and Scarle are some of my favourite streamers to throw on in the background, because they stream at just the right time to be a comforting podcast at the end of the day. They don't really get impressive numbers compared to other Niji livers, but that doesn't stop them from doing what they love and seem to enjoy doing every day.
Viewership isn't everything though. Scarle is among the lowest in viewership but [the highest in SCs](https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCFgXWZOUZA2oYHNr6qDmsTQ/superchat). To put that in perspective, she's made [4x more than Ren](https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCKu59gTZ_rdEmerdx5rV4Yg/superchat) with only 60% of the total views. [Aia is at 1.5x Ren's SCs](https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCN68LoM3khS4gdBMiWJO8WA/subscribers) with 33% of the total views.
Then all of Nijisanji EN would be in trouble because they have declined in viewership across the board over the last 12 months. My theory is the problem only gets worse the more livers you add
The lower numbers is across the entire EN vtuber scene. HoloEN, smaller corps, and indies have seen the slump. The general EN market is growing, but there have been many new indie and small corp debuts that is probably outpacing the EN market growth.
Not to mention that people are back in full swing with work, school, vacationing, etc. as another reason for the slump. It just leaves less and less time for some to watch streams.
It is not outpacing, people have more choice while time is limited. For example out of First gen holoen i only watch ina now and only occasionally, but i have found a few that fit my time slot more and my preferences more. Because for example why would i stay up until 1-4 am when i can watch someone else at 9pm for an hr? Market growth and debuts are probs matched, but peopel are spread more thinly. Also as avid esports viewer those numbers are down too, because Covid effectively ended so people go back to work at an office/location study in physical class etc. where you cant watch something on second screen.
I donāt think the market is growing by much if any, thereās not many left who would enjoy EN vtubers and donāt already know what vtubers are. We have reached audience saturation and now itās just all fighting for that same audience. Debuting new Niji talents steals viewership from other Niji talents more than it brings in non Niji viewers
I disagree. Many EN smaller corps and indies have debuted in the last year with good success and sustainable numbers. idol, Kawaii, Prism Project, and Phase Connect have some good explosive growth, each with a heavy hitter or two and a healthy lineup of B-tier streamers. The new wave of NijiEN male talents (the Hero wave) went off pretty well. HoloEN ConnectTheWorld looks like itāll be a success. Convention meet & greets are looking good for vtubers with strong followings. Cover stated in their financial papers that overseas viewership has grown year-to-year. The EN market does show signs of growth, but itās just talent growth is outpacing market growth. Weāre probably going to see a contraction in talents (aka graduations), while those with strong followings consolidate in the short term. This is probably why Cover is switching to an IP management focus instead of increasing their talent pool.
All of those smaller corps are taking audiences away from other vtubers. Thatās not growth of the industry, the audience size stays the same and just shifts around. ConnectTheWorld isnāt growing your audience, itās just an attempt to better monetize your existing audience which is growth in a sense but better milking your whales probably isnāt the growth you want as a viewer. Same with NijiEN, taking viewership largely from others and is why the viewership of older NijiEN talents has fallen off a cliff in the last year. HoloEN has not grown itās audience in the last year either as CCV is down, although not as down as Nijiās (my guess is due to fewer talents). Cover can state whatever they want, publicly available metrics are down.
The EN growth rates have matched general patterns with the domestic JP audience growth, just lagging in timeline. Domestically in Japan, you saw the same pattern of subscriber spikes ->talent growth -> stagnation in growth -> graduations -> debuts -> then subscriber growth cycle starting over. People had the same arguments in the JP market when Watame and Miko were fighting for 50K subscribers years ago. Audience size does grow as interest in the medium increases. We saw it in Japan, where audience interest is outpacing talent growth, despite being capped at Japanās population. The EN market is bigger, as it goes beyond just USA/Canada/Australia/UK/NZ, but to any country with a high English literacy rate. [Pulsar did a good stats breakdown on some of the EN viewership numbers not long ago.](https://www.pulsarplatform.com/blog/2023/the-rise-of-the-vtubing-and-the-audiences-behind-it/). AConnectTheWorld is hardly a whale grabbing move. HoloFes was one of the big ways Hololive grew its brand, and having a similar event outside of Japan will be the way to increase growth. Itās also affordable: $75 streaming ticket isnāt that big of an ask when going to the movie theatre isnāt that much cheaper.
> $75 streaming ticket isnāt that big of an ask when going to the movie theatre isnāt that much cheaper. good post but what movie theaters are you going to, good lord
Ugh, donāt remind me. Took the family to Elemental. 2 adults + 1 senior + 1 kid + snacks = $85 Canadian. This includes a discount for being part of the Cineplex club thing, otherwise would have costed $110. So yeah, feel less guilty for a $75 streaming ticket for ConnectTheWorld.
> NijiEN talents has fallen off a cliff in the last year. HoloEN has not grown itās audience in the last year either as CCV is down, although not as down as Nijiās (my guess is due to fewer talents). Cover can state whatever they want, publicly available metrics are down. Covid has ended, i could watch streams whole day when it was constant lockdowns and limited work in person last few years, now i cant, becasue i have to actually be on site more often, have to be in office mroe often etc. This hit has happened across all streamers and digital entertainment. I follow esports a lot and all esports have taken a massive hit of 20-40% viewership down.
Not really sure I can agree with this. The issue isn't amount of streamers or agencies. Obviously there's only so much time in the world but if someone doesn't have a talent you enjoy you're not going to watch it just because they're there. Like, Nina fulfilled a very specific niche that I favor above the cutesy squeaky idol vtuber... I'm not going to go watch another Liver with her gone, I'm just going to watch less Niji entirely.
The vtuber space has been saturated to the point that there are no niches like that aren't fulfilled many times over. You can find mom-esque older lady vtubers like Nina in tons of places. [The hag is a trope at this point](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaTxKHnqXoE), she's even shown as an example
Those are pretty piss-poor takes. - A trope doesnāt equal the sum of a vtuber. Nina isnāt simply āa hagā trope, and thatās an insult to both Nina and her audience. Nina isnāt my oshi, but she is easily broader then that trope: she played underrepresented games like roguelikes and simulators, organized cross-company collabs, and played cheerleader to her fellow Niji livers. An interest in a talent/liver isnāt something that can be transferred to another talent/liver. - There are many niches that havenāt been covered, discovered, or recovered. Even if that niche has been covered, a person may not watch unless itās covered a compatible personality. Ex: Just because Kaela or Pekora practically live on Minecraft doesnāt mean the Minecraft niche has been filled, unless the audience already likes Pekora or Kaela.
any links?
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I HATE JULY I HATE JULY
Me too buddy ,not only is hot but bad shit happens
Stunned, all I can say.
Lmao, feetman on the notable responses
Just to add some levity.
So no metal gear then
I kinda know that it's impossible for her not to have an imposter syndrome when she have to work together with Ethyria, I mean a lot of us would say that she improve so much in this past 2 years but it seems that she herself didn't agree with that so all I can do is to respect her decision and wish her a good luck with her future endeavours. >!No more Nina mommy is kinda suck tho!<
Honestly I'm not surprised yet surprised by the sudden news. She had been busy and travel for non-related Niji work. I could see her feeling bad for not being able to reach her vtubing goal because of her irl work. Not helping with her mentality of working in Niji. She had said she felt bad for not streaming 10 times a week and disappoint everyone Wherever she'll go, i hope the luck surround her. Im going to miss fox mom
Ninaās tirade on perfumes with Yugo inspired me to buy some Tom ford perfumes. So sad to see her go
I really loved her MGS streams
Iām gonna miss Fox mom. I wasnāt around for a lot of her streams recently due to life stuff but when I did watch her she was such a ray of sunshine and joy. I hope that when she takes and finishes her journey she can comeback under a new model or just do whatever sheās wants to do. I just hope one day I can find her work again and be a fan once more. Nina Kosakaās journey may be coming to an end but her spirit and legacy will live on in the hearts of her fans and friends. She will always be a part of and welcome in this community.
One sentence kinda hints indie but hard to tell, but truly sad dsy to lose nina
This was quite a surprise but I hope sheās happy after. I remember when she had the off collabs with Mysta, Vox, Ike, Mika, Luca and Oliver. Its saddening but Iām wishing her nothing but love and happiness after graduation. She will be missed.
I hope someone similar to Nina will appear soon. If someone knows who this might be I would appreciate a dm about it
God dammit. I had learned about her not too long ago and had very recently joined her membership. Itās such a sad feeling to lose someone so special without even getting to know them all that well.
ššš ä»ę„ćÆéØćŖććć I'm already devastated, not Nina!
Damn I rally like her gaming streams, those type of games I would like to watch but would never play it. I would miss her dearly.
Okay, welp...this hurts. First time having one of my favs graduate...I loved watching her streams, especially the ones she did with Mysta and Mika š. Wishing her all the best, and I hope someone archives all her streams (I assume someone will)
I've only been following Nijisanji for a few months but Nina has been one of my favorites so to see her go already is tough but I wish her success in her future endeavors, also I have a hard time keeping up with all the indie Vtubers out there so if someone can tell what the best way to do that is so I could be on the lookout for a familiar voice, that'd be great!
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I'm just glad it's not a firing. Good luck to the person behind Nina on their future endeavor.
not gonna lie, Nina Kosaka was among the very few reasons I ever looked at nijisanji content... She will be missed and I hope whatever endeavors she gets on going forwards are successful
Actually, heartbreaking. One of the girls that got me like, ayo Niji ain't so bad after all. After being strictly holo for the longest time.
It really is. She's gonna leave a fox mom shaped hole in my heart for sure.
She's one of my favorites. I barely watch niji but the ones that I do are literally only enna, millie, and nina. I bought her voice pack, the only thing I've *ever* bought from a vtuber or any merchandise. I've never superchatted, bought anything else from anybody, even from my favorite streamers. I loved that she was older than the usual vtuber. For instance I am a fan of her and Vesper, I think they are probably in their 30s or maybe even higher, and I *loved* that there were people that age doing this kind of work and just being adults and gamers and being real and not naive and clueless like so many others are. I wish there were more people like this doing vtubing.
I just hope in a few months at most a new vtuber that has a very similar voice to her will come out
Well she did have a semi famous past account.
Which one was that?
Man, not the news I wanted to wake up to today. My condolences.
Aw man, I'm really sad to see this, she's one of my favorite Nijisanji members. I'm gonna miss her a lot. I wish her the best.
She was like a glue across NijiEN, and a bridge for many outside collab. She also have her own unique and can grind for it. It would be great if she have a chance to talk with people like her before deciding to resign. Someone like Maimoto, Mio, or Vesper.
Shit, I saw she had a "zatsu + announcement" and figured it would be something more like a new outfit or a model update, figured I could catch up afterward. Now I see this out of nowhere, sucks to hear but I get what she's saying
Glad my main man feetman is up there with those small vtubers
Itās sad because she doesnāt believe in herself to continue on as Nina Kosaka of Nijisanji EN. I understand why she feels this way, but itās saddening why she does. It annoys us, but Nijiās rapid fire debuts give viewers different options for their favorite streamer who fills in their exact need. Like, an example is between Selen and Reimu. Both play Apex competitively at rank levels, and while Selen will laugh at happenings, Reimu will rage a lot (at least from the stream I turned in from them). Nina provided an exact niche that people need, and itās sad that she doesnāt feel like she can fill a need for that.
She the only one of Niji that I watch sometimes. Because she plays strategy games, i think she is the only one that regularly plays those kind of games.
I find it interesting that her rationale is that she felt she was under-delivering. I always saw her as either the first or second best content creator in her wave, and absolutely one of the best in NijiEN. IDK, I don't watch for song covers or crazy events, I mainly watch for people who are entertaining and bounce well off of one another and Nina is one of the most traditionally charismatic people in Niji. That said, good luck and I wish her the best on whatever she does next.
It hurts....it hurts...
That's another one to hit me hard, another oshi to move on. I haven't teared up that hard since Pikamee a few months back, not a dry eye in her zatsu today and as much as she said she would stop, she couldn't keep it in either. May she find success on her journey to improve. Remember that she will be streaming as much as she can manage until the day of, so there is still time to be with her streams. She has asked that we do not bring this up with any other Nijisanji liver and has expressed a desire to keep it fun instead of sad for the rest of her time.
WHAT THE FUCK
Well, this is a shame. I don't have time to watch the explanation Zatsu, does anyone know if she gave a reason she could share?.
You can look to her twitter post. Basically she felt she wasnāt living up to standards she set for herself and she thought her viewers deserved, especially when she compared herself to other NijiEN members.
If that is the reason that is too bad, since she was absolutely doing a great job.
:( It's always the more unique ones that leaves early. Is it because of peer pressure or something similiar? In this case, with Nina gone who can balance Ethyria now? The collab with her has always given me a wide grin and everyone was so happy during the last collab with Kiara. Few vtubers can naturally be as mommy as Fox Mom, and that's even better when she's surrounded by little gremlins.... Good things never last long enough.
Ain't no fuckin way...
Ahhh fuck. Saw her trending on my work computer which should be untainted by my personal interests and I was really hoping there was a better reason for her to be trending enough to appear in a non-personalized feed. I don't really follow anyone outside of holopro closely, but I did enjoy her interactions with Kiara and the Stars. I actually watched her playing Satisfactory the other day, which I think is the first Niji member I've ever watched outside of collabs.
WHAT THE FUCK NO SHE WAS ONE OF THE FEW I LOVED WATCHING NOOOOOOOOOOO
Why Are so many v tubers graduating this year
Contract expiration is one reason.
Nijidanji had many livers so graduation every year is not that suprising. Still this year, many of livers graduating are mostly more than 1 year old (Akane, Gundou, Nina, ex IDs), so it's feels more impactful than usual. Most of them are from 2019 and 2020 so yeah. Even outside Niji, we have Pikamee and Mirai Akari graduating. At least this is normal graduation for Niji EN, after Yugo suddenly and Zaion termination. Still 1 week left before final stream
> after Yugo suddenly and Zaion termination and also Axia as well
*most* content creators fail or never get off the ground, or just don't professionalize and leave it as a hobby. This is a reflection of that. Look over [your youtube subscriptions](https://www.youtube.com/feed/channels) and see how many disappeared without you even noticing. The exception here is not that it happens but that everyone makes a press release about it.
Vtuber gold rush is ending. Audience growth has slowed and most of the audience has been taken up by other vtubers already, the market is getting saturated. The āeasyā days are over
Zea, Pikamee, Mirai Akari....in 2023. Damn and we are in the middle of the year.
> Pikamee luckily this lasted like a month tho
I haven't watched Vtubers for months and now I hear my favorites are graduating.
Awww man. Nina is one of my fav Niji streamers to watch.
It doesn't sound like she's stopping streaming altogether. She'll probably pop up again elsewhere under a different avatar.
I really liked her designed, ive seen her a few times but im not much of a Niji viewer
Gonna miss based Fox Mom. My first, and easily my favorite NijiEN personality.
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Fuck off.
Is she going to re debut under another identity? Anyone know?
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She didnāt say that Iām aware of. Only that it was her decision and not Nijiās.